In the "defense" report on the purpose of the transfer of Su-57 in Syria

Newspaper Kommersant publishes material in which, referring to a source in the person of a top manager of one of the defense industry enterprises, the purpose of transferring the latest Su-57 Russian multi-role fighter to Syria is reported. Recall that the information about the transfer of two 5-generation aircraft to the Khmeimim airbase appeared today. The video with the arrival of Su-57 fighters, which took place the day before, was originally published in Syrian blogs.

A top manager, who is referred to by Kommersant, says that the aircraft were transferred to Syria for testing aircraft weapon control systems. The first tests of weapons on the Su-57 began even before the current name was originally assigned to the T-50. Testing activities of this nature were held last summer.

It should be noted that now manufacturers are working on the creation of Su-57 aircraft with engines of the second stage. These power plants will significantly expand the capabilities of the aircraft on maneuverability and high-speed mode.

Earlier in the Defense Ministry noted that they intend to purchase 12 Su-57 under the first contract.

If Su-57 really arrived in Syria to test weapons, does this mean that in the near future they will be involved in attacking the militants of terrorist groups?

Comments

[ancestors from Don]

Only in combat conditions can you bring the car to practical perfection. Su-57 is clearly transferred to non-kerosene without a goal to burn, here and the coalition aviation can get to the nuts.

[figwam]

So I think that the main goals for the Su-57 are in the sky, and not on the ground.

[kit88]

So let them look at each other f22-f35 and SU-57.
It is interesting to both them and us.
Of course, it is necessary to protect him. I believe an agreement has been reached with probable partners on this matter.

[NEXUS]

Quote: figvam

So I think that the main goals for the Su-57 are in the sky, and not on the ground.

I don’t think. The SU-57 is a heavy multi-purpose vehicle, which means that the arsenal will be tested on the ground, well, and if necessary it will be necessary for air targets. Finishing and testing a new arsenal, checking all avionics and dviguns, etc. ... in general, I won’t be surprised if, very soon, there appears infa that the SU-57 worked on the ground.

[kit88]

You have an interesting point of view.
So that the engines of the first stage and avionics check it makes no sense to fly to war. Armament, sight, defense complex - it is more likely to be checked in war.
And then on the ground like 34s are working, and the T-50 is a replacement for the 35th. So everyone seems to be talking.

[NEXUS]

Quote: kit88

So that the engines of the first stage and avionics check it makes no sense to fly to war.

And you compare, in what terms new tanks, planes, etc. were adopted for service during the Second World War and for how long in peacetime everything was adopted for service. Tests in real combat conditions cannot be replaced by any non-combat tests. Take a look at the same Alligator ... it is relatively recently adopted and is already being modernized taking into account the use in Syria, the same applies to tanks, armored personnel carriers, etc. ...

[kit88]

I agree, the war is faster. But in my opinion its main goals are not entrenched tanks, but 5th generation airplanes. It is against their background that they will see what kind of bird we have. But engines and houses can be checked for reliability.

[sabakina]

Andrew, , nevertheless, I think, first of all, the SU-57 is designed to conquer the sky, the earth along the way, if you suddenly need to. For "throwing" landmines do not need stealth and over-maneuverability.

[NEXUS]

Quote: sabakina

Andrew, , nevertheless, I think, first of all, the SU-57 is designed to conquer the sky, the earth along the way, if you suddenly need to. .

You are wrong. The SU-57, unlike the lizard, was originally developed as a MANY PURPOSE. But the Raptor was planed precisely as a fighter for gaining dominance in the air and only recently began to teach him how to work on the ground.
And about ...

Quote: sabakina

For "throwing" landmines do not need stealth and svermanevrinnost.

But do you not take into account high-precision weapons? Or do you think that an air-to-surface missile is cheaper than the same Caliber launched from a ship?

[sabakina]

Andrei, we have known each other for several years, I agree to YOU. Multipurpose is yes. BUT! But such radars, inconspicuousness, and overmarning .... For the barmalei, the SU-34 is enough.

[NEXUS]

Quote: sabakina

SU-34 is enough for barmaley

If everything in our kingdom with weapons would be good, then probably ... but we need to catch up with mattresses who fight all the way and on the basis of this experience improve their weapons. Is there a difference when a boxer enters the ring for a real fight, or is he training in the gym with a familiar sparing partner? Experience at a completely different level.

[sabakina]

Andrei, I didn’t understand you a bit, but I think so, ours want to feel the reaction of the mattresses (Israel, at the same time), further by the saying about Russian unpredictability. In general, wait and see.

[NEXUS]

Quote: sabakina

but I think so, ours want to feel the reaction of the mattresses (at the same time, Israel),

I don’t think ... such a step as the transfer of a secret fighter, which did not even pass military tests, indicates a serious mood of the Kremlin. At the same time, it’s one thing to drive the SU-5 for 57 years for all exercises and then, in the year 23-25, to take into service, or to test and test the fighter and arsenal in real combat conditions for six months and put it into series as early as next year. I said, it’s possible to go to train in the gym for years and then go into the ring and the boxer who takes on combat experience not in training sparings, but in real battles, takes you.
The decision is, of course, controversial and ambiguous, I’ll say ... I won’t be surprised if the Armata T-14 and T-15, with Boomerangs and Kurganians appear in the same way in Syria ...

[Grigory_45]

Quote: NEXUS

And you do not take into account high-precision weapons?

what the hell is the su-57 in its current form a precision weapon? The maximum that they can is to throw a couple of cast-iron bombs. And that is unlikely. All other types of military equipment participated in real databases, used standard weapons (the same Alligators - NAR and ATGMs), and Su-57 in Syria, by and large, has nothing to do. There is no one there to wage air battles with. With no less efficiency, you can work out in training battles at the Lipetsk Center. The experience, of course, will be, but very specific, and not at all the one you broadcast

[Grigory_45]

I’m silent about the fact that the plane is not only raw, but also secret. How can secrecy be ensured at Khmeimim? Do you have a clue what it is?
How to ensure even its minor repairs (this is not a serial and well-developed machine), anything can break down at any time. Do not know? You are like a child of pre-retirement age, by golly .
I really hope that the planes will very soon return to Russia and they will be engaged in business - to bring to mind and "learn to fly", and not engage in window dressing.

[Conserp]

Quote: NEXUS

But the Raptor was planed precisely as a fighter for gaining dominance in the air and only recently began to teach him how to work on the ground.

You’ll laugh, but now the F-22 is combat-ready as a bomber, but it’s practically not operational in the role of a fighter: it cannot use air-defense missiles from over-sound compartments.

They plan to start finishing in 2019 - according to the program Increment 3.2B.

What irony ...

The F-35 is also not operational - it is not even suitable for the start of testing, according to a January report.

In fact, an image blow is now being dealt - the Americans decided to light their toys over Syria, like, they are "already tested in battle." But as a result, they will look extremely fluid and pale.

[Alexdark]

Quote: NEXUS

and if necessary it will be necessary for air targets.

Quote: Ancestors from the Don

here and coalition aviation can get "nuts".

Yeah, how ... It’s all knocking us down, that’s all. They are not afraid of anything because there will never be an answer, only an empty bluff from the Moscow Region, with puffed cheeks. What's wrong? Facts, feet wiping.
And now, supporters will come - "but if you do it differently, then this is a war, a dangerous deed!". Pff. How many of these dangerous "delas" were over a century of history, and not so happened. No wars, no global threat. In any case, NATo and KO are engaged in such dangerous actions without any shudders. Alarmists and cowards around, and with a hypertrophied attitude to minor aggression, which did not and does not lead to the apocalypse of war. Moreover, once it is given in the teeth, here even the sanctions are weakened. A bunch of examples from the USSR. Eh, okay, consumers who value a refrigerator will make a rag from the country, no one counts a dirty rag, and they laugh at the Atat bluff.
I will quote, "if a fight is inevitable, you have to beat first." Although the quote is not suitable for our current policy, it is alien, absurd, unfortunately. But the fight does not necessarily develop into a massacre, which the Russian consumer is so afraid of with her exaggerated fantasies about the global war.

[NEXUS]

Quote: AlexDARK

Yeah, how ... It’s all knocking us down, that’s all.

Is everything straight and in bundles? Regarding the SU-24 shot down by the Turks, to this day I believe that it was necessary to land a couple of Turkish fighters, sticking them in the ground ... but. If we had a conflict with the Turks, what mattresses wanted so much, then the war in Syria would have dragged us into the wash-out toilet. Do we need this?
And about the downed SU-25 MANPADS ... So this is a war, soldiers are dying there.

[g1v2]

Well, just need to check it in flight conditions next to a likely enemy. How well he sees them, how closely they see himself. As with maneuverability in comparison. And just pilots need to get used to seeing a real enemy on radar. To know the limits of their own and foreign technology. as well as advantages and disadvantages, if any.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: g1v2

Well, just need to check it in flight conditions next to a likely enemy. How well he sees them, how closely they see himself

I wonder how you are going to check? Call the NATO headquarters and ask for a pilot report and notes from the airborne equipment?
The second one. "Raptor" fly with Luneberg lenses to increase the EPR. So you don’t understand anything. Americans, too, are not fools to shine on the stealth parameters of their aircraft.

Quote: g1v2

As with maneuverability in comparison

compare how will you? Challenge the brave Yankees to a training aerial battle? Complete nonsense

Quote: g1v2

To know the limits of their own and foreign technology

but this can only be found in a real war. That is, again by

[igorspb]

Agree to 146%

[Thrall]

Quote: ancestors from the Don

here and coalition aviation can get "nuts"

But this is better not necessary.

[figwam]

Quote: Thrall

Quote: ancestors from the Don

here and coalition aviation can get "nuts"

But this is better not necessary.

If the Syrian troops will conduct a ground operation, then our aircraft can cover from the sky together with AWACS and air defense, creating the so-called A2AD zone. The Americans raised rates in the war, using their modern weapons to protect terrorists, so now the answer is ours.

[Angel_and_Demon]

Quote: Thrall

But this is better not necessary.

But how to check for lice fu-35?

[Alex777]

It seems to me that the presence of Su-57 in the air will be a very restraining factor. Especially considering that without the Su-35 they are unlikely to fly.

[Angel_and_Demon]

and during break-in, all air targets will be considered potentially dangerous and subject to destruction

[Zhelezyakin]

So that to distribute nuts to adversaries it is not necessary to drive a promising car. Complexes (missile-bomb) weapons are still unchanged. Here is the development of fire control systems, yes, for this they sent. But they will certainly shoot at the bearded.

[parkello]

You speak Zhelezyakin correctly. I think so too. probably bearded will be beaten

[sabakina]

Quote: parkello

You speak Zhelezyakin correctly. I think so too. probably bearded will be beaten

US troops stationed in South Korea can now not shave and wear earrings outside the office.

Are you talking about them?

[starpom]

Quote: sabakina

Are you talking about them?

+100500

[Svarog51]

Correct what Sevastyan Pereira did ?. Catching the dark-skinned, bearded and with an earring in the nose of African-Americans in South Korea and delivering them to the Middle East - closer to their home? I like the idea.

[Zhelezyakin]

Salute, Sergey!
Hush, and now liberalists and other oppressed offenders will attack, cost-a-hey !!!

[Svarog51]

Hi Aleksey

Hush, and now liberalists and other oppressed offenders will attack, cost-a-hey !!!

They won’t succeed, but I propose to fix THEIR jambs.

[parkello]

about them, about them)) and in Syria they have grown beards. so beat them ... they don’t spare and you don’t spare.

[Azim77]

In the West, the media do the weather. Who are constantly searching and then pouring news from around the world into the ears of their listeners. And the news that the Russians drove into Syria the newest the fighters will make a lot of noise and will be a loud statement: the Russians are very serious, they are raising the bid. And although it is clear for military specialists that the 2 aircraft cannot affect the overall picture, they will have to reckon with the fears and fears of their left, right, motley “experts”.

[Vita vko]

Quote: Azim77

that 2 planes cannot affect the overall picture,

Most likely they can and have already influenced. Information has already passed in the media that F-22 flights have been banned. All other types of aircraft are easy targets even for obsolete air defense systems. After the recent events related to the attack on the Syrian militias in which several Russian mercenaries of the air defense missile system BUK were killed. they are escorted by the advancing CAA troops, as a result of which the Americans also restricted manned flights in these areas.

[Maz]

Rather scare aggressive neighbors

[RASKAT]

Only in combat conditions can the car be brought to practical perfection.

What are the combat conditions in Syria for a fighter to gain air supremacy? I would like to know? There and Israel there is a whole range of reconnaissance of both long-range radar and radio interception, etc. We will only disclose at what frequencies does the radar operate on the Su-57. And still there are powerful 1000 km radars that scan all of Syria. And they can also, for example, irradiate Su-57, which will allow for example to determine its EPR of aircraft.
In Syria, there are no real goals for SU-57, it's all some kind of PR campaign, it seems to me.

[Ural cossack]

Handsome man! May God grant strength to our homeland.

[taiga2018]

Quote: Ural Cossack

May God grant strength to our homeland.

God forbid that he was not shot down there "by a blow in the back ..."

[bk316]

God forbid that he was not shot down there "by a blow in the back ..."

This plane should not get off with “stabs in the back” and this he will have to learn in Syria

[NEXUS]

Quote: taiga2018

God forbid that he was not shot down there "by a blow in the back ...

Firstly, one 57th will not fly, but will be on the link with the SU-35 ... And secondly, the SU-57 has an AFAR Squirrel (at least 5 radars!) And the entire surface in the sensors ... first, let’s pick it up, not to mention trying to bring down. The enemy fighter is faster stuck in the ground than he thinks something like that.

[dr.star75]

Controversial decision. And given the fact that security at the base is not 100%, you can lose these aircraft at the airport

[Herman 4223]

There is no radar behind

[NEXUS]

Quote: Herman 4223

There is no radar behind

On the Su-57 it is planned to install an optical-electronic location system (OLS) for detecting airborne targets of the front hemisphere - OLS-50M. It is installed like a Su-27 in front of the cockpit with an offset to the starboard side, due to the peculiarities of the removal of the fuel rod. A feature is the ability to rotate the active part towards the rear hemisphere, what are achieved by such properties: as protection against solar erosion in the parking position, and lowering the EPR. The first property is achieved by physically isolating the working part from the rays of the sun, and the second by applying radio-absorbing materials on the back of the moving part.

The use of an additional radar, spaced from the main one both in position and in the frequency range, will not only increase the noise immunity and combat survivability of the structure, but also significantly neutralize technologies for reducing the visibility of enemy aircraft, which can only reduce visibility in a certain range of radio wavelengths. It is assumed that such radars can also be placed in any structural elements of the airframe.

[Spambox]

I hope to experience with him will be a new modification of the RVV rocket

[Kasym]

Most likely, ammunition working on the ground will be tested for use.
F-22 from the Su-35S run. Su-57 remains its avionics on the "stealth" to check.

[Viktor.12.71]

Quote: Kasym

F-22 from the Su-35S run.

Well, yes, one SU-35 drove a pair of F-22s, but only the Americans were not comfortable. The adversary is trembling, there are as many as two units SU-57 fitted.

[Korax71]

Why stop people from living in their own illusory world

[Kasym]

Task: F-22 includes its AFAR, and Su-57 its VFAR under the guise of S-300 and S-400. Who has the advantage and who will be more afraid of whom?

[NEXUS]

Quote: Kasym

and the Su-57 own PFAR

What fright did the SU-57 take from the PFAR?

Н036 (Squirrel) - Russian small-sized aviation radar station with active phased array antenna for promising fifth generation fighters.

It is assumed that the detection range of targets with an EPR of 1 m² is 400 km, the number of simultaneously tracked targets is 62 with the possibility of targeting 16 targets in air or 4 on land. The on-board computer uses Elbrus processors.

[Kasym]

Good evening, NEXUS!
We don’t know exactly what the Su-57 is. Whether that Squirrel is ready or not, whether it was put on the first flight samples. Therefore, he suggested that let that Bars with the Su-30SM be there. I read somewhere that Irbis doesn’t fit in there - therefore, let Leopard be — we will facilitate the task of the adversary. It is also known that the first avionics samples were not complete.
I think that since he was sent there, the Su-57 is in a high degree of readiness. And having a good radar coverage over Syria and under the supervision of such S-300 and S-400 air defense systems, the old Syrian S-200 and other air defense systems, we can say that the conditions for combat tests of the Su-57 are, if not ideal, then very favorable. Of course, it is impossible to exclude provocations from the "partners" - for them the goal is very noble.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Kasym

Good evening, NEXUS!

Good evening, Kasym.

Quote: Kasym

Of course, it is impossible to exclude provocations from the "partners" - for them the goal is very noble.

I am sure that after this news AWACs will fly in those parts like flies ...

[Kasym]

This is really interesting - how will the Russian Federation oppose these AWACS ?! Surely they will want to "paint a portrait" - can electronic warfare systems counteract this !? And what other electronic warfare systems is Russia ready to pull up or has already deployed ?! The arrival of the A-50 we already see.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Kasym

The arrival of the A-50 we already see.

I can assume that the IL-22 "Logger" will soon appear in the same place ...

[Kasym]

It can also be assumed that AWACS will begin to accompany the growth. fighters.
By the way, we know that the engines are still old. Therefore, avionics can not be "native", not the most modern and let them draw portraits as they please.
It is also interesting what ammunition can now use the Su-57.

[Viktor.12.71]

Quote: Kasym

Who has the advantage and who will be more afraid of whom?

The one who technology has gone further.

[Locksmith]

Quote: Kasym

Task: F-22 includes its AFAR, and Su-57 its PFAR

Is that what you called passive location mode? 57 also has AFAR

[Kasym]

Locksmith, we don’t know exactly yet. Only I will be glad if the Squirrel has already passed the tests and is already standing there. Remember how much they wrote to us for the Beetle. But Bars is certainly tested and works on the Su-30SM.
In my opinion, one of the pilots on the site wrote that from a 6-7 flight instance of the T-50 (Su-57), they began to establish a more or less full-fledged avionics.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Locksmith

57 also has AFAR

Not one, but at least 5, unlike the pangolin. Plus sensors on the skin.

[Town Hall]

Quote: NEXUS

Quote: Locksmith

57 also has AFAR

Not one, but at least 5, unlike the pangolin. Plus sensors on the skin.

At 57-ROFAR ... infa from reliable sources ...

[the most important]

Quote: Kasym

Failure: F-22 includes its AFAR, and Su-57 its PFAR under the guise of S-300 and S-400. Who has the advantage and who will be more afraid of whom?

There are two snipers in the forest. One also with a flashlight. Who will win?

[Kasym]

Probably the most important.
In my opinion, under such an air defense cover, let the "partners" even send a Su-57 for each sortie squadron.

[dr.star75]

One without a flashlight. He is not visible

[NEXUS]

Quote: the most important

There are two snipers in the forest. One also with a flashlight. Who will win?

The one with the OLS-50M is available.

[sabakina]

Quote: Korax71

Why stop people from living in their own illusory world

Who needs you?

[sabakina]

Viktor.12.71, can we poorly tell us why the F-22 was dumped?

[Viktor.12.71]

Quote: sabakina

Viktor.12.71, can we poorly tell us why the F-22 was dumped?

Was the boy the question? For some reason, I did not find such information in the Western media, although they like to shout that Russia creates dangerous incidents in the air.

[sabakina]

Viktor.12.71, I'm not a Western press, I will say simply. It was time for the F-22 pilot to change the diaper, so it flew away. Any questions?

[Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)]

but the su-25 began to hysteria when the drying blinked fku. but change diaper fke. but the sukashki hysteria. interesting position, what can I say, gg

[Korax71]

Do not take mo's dreams as a fait accompli. Our mo has nothing more than his “honest” words. Striped ones can even be found where in the flight log it is shown that neither in the area, nor in that place f 22 appeared. if our mo had used evidence, then everyone would know about them.

[Kasym]

Victor, and the Western media, what do they write about Ukraine? As the Odessa tragedy or those militia cauldrons were covered. How is the shelling of Donbass illuminated, how many people are dying? How much humanitarian aid does the Russian Federation send there? If we talk about Syria - then how they illuminate the "white helmets" and chem. attacks? Who are they blaming for?
Therefore, I think it’s not worth looking for truth in the Western media - they are too biased (biased and biased towards any actions of Syria and its allies).

[Viktor.12.71]

Quote: Kasym

and the western media

I read Western and our media, the picture of the world is becoming less understood. I do not consider Americans idiots and cowards, they have a completely different outlook on things. But the headlines are that the Su-35 drove the raptors, or the recent ones that the Su-57 drove the raptors out of Syria, but that's just how the Americans flew the way they fly, isn’t it? Why do F-22 fly over the CAA control zone? Or why should the Su-35 or Su-57 fly over the US control zone? I don’t even remember that such incidents would be, except for the Su-25 approaching the SDF positions where the F-22 pair arrived, after which they all went home.

[pjbunny]

and I have a few questions:
how many specialists from the “dry” arrived, allies and techies for such a flight? I doubt that they let me fly and come back, so the number of these specialists is no less interesting to me. Was there a refueling in the air? Well, and what "belongings" under su 57 were brought to the base?

[vovanpain]

Quote: pjbunny

and which “belongings” under su 57 were brought to the base?

You better contact the Ministry of Defense of Russia and personally to Shoigu.

[IL-18]

Quote: vovanpain

Quote: pjbunny

and which “belongings” under su 57 were brought to the base?

You better contact the Ministry of Defense of Russia and personally to Shoigu.

Better immediately in the first section

[Herculesic]

Now, the FSB will come to you all the information will be brought to you personally!

[pjbunny]

nice man, twist and knock at home if you are not interested. it is clear that no one will give an answer on the forum.

[Angel_and_Demon]

Quote: Herkulesich

all the information will be brought to you personally!

while in the form of a familiarization protocol

[Kasym]

Specialists from Sukhoi and other design bureaus are constantly there.
In fact, the GDP promised them to show such power that had not been shown before.

[pjbunny]

each special from dry, other KB has access and knowledge up to su 57?)) as well as techies.

[Maz]

There, a passenger carrier was noted. apparently there are specialists

[jaroff]

What is the refueling in the air? From Akhtubinsk calmly flew.

[yehat]

says that planes are flown to Syria to carry out

Yes, everyone understands! already zadolbali green men carrying democracy with Proxima Centauri
so that their flying pots stay away from the Syrian surface, smeared with honey,
and relocated planes to test repellents.

[bazzbazz]

They would say that it’s not at the famous air show in Syria, which has been going on for a long time))
And what else could be said, tests, checks, tests ... Good luck!

[Livonetc]

Quote: taiga2018

Quote: Ural Cossack

May God grant strength to our homeland.

God forbid that he was not shot down there "by a blow in the back ..."

The Almighty has nothing to do with this.

[Ural cossack]

It has everything. And even to your words about him.

[Mountain shooter]

And still - I do not believe in it. Top secret car - into battle? What, landfills in Russia are over? I do not believe

[yehat]

you know, this is still not a tourist bus, this is a combat vehicle designed for battle.
it would be strange if they didn’t want her to "fight"

[bk316]

It just says that the plane was brought to a state close to combat readiness

[vovanpain]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

What, landfills in Russia are over?

Syria is generally the best training ground. Really for battle trials.

[sabakina]

Vovka, pryuvet! Most importantly, there are F-35s on both sides. I think SU-57 will be their nightmare.

[Herculesic]

Here you have, especially for those who did not believe, the confirmation of my information that the Su57 prototypes will be the first combat squadron in our Air Force! The second squadron will have planes with a second stage engine - that is, the main engine for this plane!

[Vita vko]

The designers decided to take a chance and see how the new Su-57 will behave against its counterparts F-22 and F-35. Such an assessment can really be done only now in Syria. At the same time, the A-50U AWACS, in addition to the main tasks, will play the role of an objective control and measuring center for assessing the effectiveness of the Su-57. The main thing now is to lure the Americans, who can and are afraid to peck at such a bait .. It's one thing to simply yell everywhere about the 5th generation, getting billions in contracts and completely meet in the air with a real plane of this generation.

[bk316]

Something tells me that they will not even come close to the su-57 su-35 a-50 group.
Even in theory, they are not ready to act on such conditions. Now, if avax raproot and penguins are against a single su-57, then maybe ...

[Vita vko]

Quote: Borzikov

Frank nonsense.

Dear, this is what you write about air shows and corrupt employees. During reconnaissance flights, and even more so during the show, no one in their right mind will turn on the combat modes of the radar and communications. Even demonstrative aerial combat is not a serious criterion for evaluating combat capabilities at long and medium distances. In addition, ground-based radars differ significantly both in frequency range and in operating modes from Su-57 radars and you can only “draw” a picture for an advertisement. What, in principle, the United States is doing and selling the F-35 to its allies under the big name of the 5th generation aircraft.

[anjey]

If Su-57 really arrived in Syria to test weapons, does this mean that in the near future they will be involved in attacking the militants of terrorist groups?

Not according to Western "partners", although the word terrorist goes soooooo them in the light of today ....

[Yuyuka]

Quote: anjey

If Su-57 really arrived in Syria to test weapons, does this mean that in the near future they will be involved in attacking the militants of terrorist groups?

Not according to Western "partners", although the word terrorist goes soooooo them in the light of today ....

they would really go reunite with their "brothers" ... in heaven ...

[SOF]

... weird ...
And the happy owners of fe-35, from one Middle East country, for some reason, are modestly silent.

[prapor75m]

now they come out and will prove that theirs is .... the most of the most

[IL-18]

They are getting ready for February 23.

[HEATHER]

I haven’t seen the official statement. The video is too slippery and unproven. I doubt the veracity of this story. Cars with 117C engines. This is not the 2nd stage engines.

[bk316]

That's something that engines can and we bring to mind a weapon control system and so on. Avionics is better at raptors.

[sabakina]

Dimych, do you believe me?

[HEATHER]

Dimych, do you believe me? How many years, how many winters. I believe you. Like the latest news about 4 (!) Su-57 in Syria.

[Starik72]

I think it’s very important to test the SU-57 not only in the greenhouse field tests, but also to test in combat conditions. These tests will show all the pros and cons, and allow it to become stronger on its feet, and show what the SU-57 is capable of.

[senima56]

And if he is not “involved in striking militants,” then why was he sent to Syria ?!

[Aleksandr21]

And was it worth it to transfer to the theater in conditions when the combat vehicle has not yet been adopted for service and is undergoing state tests? He now needs a permanent escort so that God forbid something happens to him, and this is still a secret development and our opponents will be happy to know the characteristics of such an aircraft .... what can be tried out in Syria that cannot be tested with us? Yes, even with such risks, xs.

[Stabilization]

then brought to the desired state otherwise not allowed for sure

[Aleksandr21]

Quote: Stabilization

then brought to the desired state otherwise not allowed for sure

He did not pass the test, which means he has not yet been accepted for service, the tests are in test mode, and then the Su-57 is primarily a fighter of even the 5th generation, but a fighter and not a bomber. What should he do there? On F-22 and F-35, no one will give him missiles to work out, but will fly into the air when trying to intercept, will give opponents a good opportunity to study the performance characteristics of our latest aircraft.

[NN52]

Aleksandr21

He ends up.
You do not know, do not write, you will look smarter ...
Testing on ground targets, one of the last ,,,

[Aleksandr21]

Quote: NN52

Aleksandr21

He ends up.
You do not know, do not write, you will look smarter ...
Testing on ground targets, one of the last ,,,

Have you tried to read the comment carefully? or just what to write? “He didn’t pass the Gosses, which means he hasn’t adopted him yet”, but the fact that he finishes them is a completely different story, but between the finishes and the big difference ends. There, in addition to working off ground targets, they will find something to work out ...

[aliis-M]

By the way, this practice has already begun to appear with us, it was like that with the Su-34 (in Georgia), now the Su-57 ...

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Aleksandr21

And was it worth it to transfer to the theater in conditions when the combat vehicle has not yet been adopted for service and is undergoing state tests? He now needs a permanent escort so that God forbid something happens to him, and this is still a secret development and our opponents will be happy to know the characteristics of such an aircraft .... what can be tried out in Syria that cannot be tested with us? Yes, even with such risks, xs.

Most likely, they want to check for the discovery of amers of the fifth generation.

[region58]

Quote: Krasnodar

for the discovery of fifth generation amers.

Information flashed that they (F-22) and in Syria with Luneberg lenses fly (to increase the EPR), that is, you will not feel the real signature ...

[Toorik]

and the sense of risking prototypes ??? if for serial machines like su 30/34/35 everything is still not brought to mind and the devices are cut off ....

[aliis-M]

to the series "bring to mind the devices so as not to be cut off"

[Stabilization]

Do not share the links? on about devices.

[aliis-M]

Yes, stuffing clean water, how else to explain that both Su-30 and Su-35, and Su-34 devices suddenly began to be cut off, Toorik forgot to attribute Su-24 and Su-25, to give a complete picture of our aviation in Syria .

[Toorik]

I can’t disclose the source ... if there are any pilots who know which ones fly on these machines, ask them ....

[sabakina]

Toorik, tell your friends the pilots that there is such a thing, the cigarettes "Belomor-channel" are called. With this bundle of cigarettes, appliances are not needed.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: sabakina

cigarettes "Belomor-channel" are called. With this bundle of cigarettes, appliances are not needed.

yeah there is such a historical joke. True, a normal adequate person does not accept jokes (stories) at face value

[NN52]

Toorik

I have familiar pilots.
Enough tryndet ...

[Toorik]

ask the next time in person ...

[foreman]

I think that the plane with the engine \ second \ line is also there !!!!

[aliis-M]

It is unlikely that weapon systems will be tested in a real combat situation, while the engines of the second stage are finished. IMHO)

[lance]

this is not possible, it was installed on su in November 2017. what kind of military action is it? on it, so far, even all test modes have probably not been passed.

[aliis-M]

I completely agree, and something tells me that the very first 12 aircraft will be with the engines of the first stage, but this does not overshadow the general impression, against the background of thoughts “more likely”.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: aliis-M

and something tells me that the very first 12 aircraft will be with engines of the first stage

This was officially announced - the first production cars will go with AL-41. Everyone understands that miracles do not happen.
In general, this is not so scary. If you look at the history of the development of aviation, this (when the first series of aircraft did not go with the engines they were supposed to at all) happened all the time. In any case, you need to master the car.

[aliis-M]

In any case, you need to master the car.

I absolutely agree with you!

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Sergeant Major

I think that the plane with the engine \ second \ line is also there !!!!

There is no such plane at all. On one of the prototypes, T-50-2, set instead of one engine new, "product 30".

This is, in fact, a flying laboratory, an airplane with two different engines. He will fly for so long .. But in general, running in a new engine does not interfere with the Su-35, for example. The problem is not in the presence of media, but in the presence of engines

[Vadmir]

The main thing is not to lose the plane (war nevertheless) over the territory of the opposition, but given the close relationship between Isil and other "opposition" with the United States, our latest technologies may be in the hands of a potential adversary.

[aliis-M]

But these are real risks.

[tchoni]

Apparently, after a failure with earlier models that allowed raptors to rook, the guys from the Sukhoi Design Bureau decided to take revenge. Well, let's see what comes of it ...

[tchoni]

Here, in order to "take into account unaccounted zones" the fighter was assigned to rooks ... And how then is he still not to blame !?

[dr.star75]

And what is this story about rook and su-35?

[Rec]

Quote: dr.star75

And what is this story about rook and su-35?

And the "Raptor" mentioned. Intrigued, countиyou.

[tchoni]

Two cases where American raptors approached our su-25s at a close range and simulated this very battle. In this case, in both cases, the cover of a pair of su25 was performed by dry fighters. However, both times f22 managed to get closer to their wards. The reaction from escort fighters began after the stormtrooper pilots reported a dangerous rapprochement.

[Conserp]

Quote: tchoni

The reaction from escort fighters began leash after

Should it have begun in advance, or what?

[Ace Tambourine]

Something seems to me that under the current situation in the ATS, and the waltzing of our um ... how would I say better ... well, in general, you understand ... we will also see PAK YES in the ATS ...

[Zadayvoprosy]

The goals of these machines are to raise patriotism before March 18th. That’s why this topic is so heavily discussed on the very first day of its appearance. And about Wagner’s PMC there were articles of this kind - "How to properly close the topic" PMCs and the reaction to events in Syria "."
Before the election, this su-57 wouldn’t roll out anywhere, it wasn’t enough for our strategic partners to knock it out, otherwise the ratings of the sun would fall ...

[Ace Tambourine]

But this is already much closer to the Body ...
Moreover, it has already been stated that they will not be used in the database.
So what for a goat button accordion?

[Vadim237]

"And then the ratings of the sun will fall ..." Vryatli it somehow will affect Kim Jong-un.

[Ace Tambourine]

Or maybe they threw them like bait?

[lance]

actually an option. and how to pull out our partners because of their "curtain", the barmels from below are not an obstacle to him.

[Conserp]

Quote: Borzikov

to shoot him down with the wrong hands

What exactly are you going to shoot him down in these fantasies?

[Vadim237]

Under the MANPADS, the Stinger of the latest modifications, from moderate ones, can fall if it goes down 4,5 km.

[Urantian]

In less than 100 years ..., it was possible to identify the shortcomings of this aircraft in combat conditions for two years already .....

[Ace Tambourine]

Don’t tell ... Years as 2 partners only passed all the information about him, but now they’ve brought up samples for studying them ..
It smells bad ...

[dr.star75]

Can share information on the transfer of all information about the t-50 partners? Well, so that everyone knows?

[Ace Tambourine]

Offer a small tote ...
Main question. One of the SU-57s will remain there forever (well, as always for objective or inexplicable reasons), or not.
The cost of 100 rubles foreign to us from the US Federal Reserve.

[lance]

sure to come back, what is the initial bid?

[sabakina]

Ohhhh! And I thought, Leon Golubkov fiction ...

[dr.star75]

Your bid?

[Rec]

Quote: Ace of Diamonds

Offered

Burn, Tambourine. (C)

[rehev931]

Quote: Yuyuka

Quote: anjey

If Su-57 really arrived in Syria to test weapons, does this mean that in the near future they will be involved in attacking the militants of terrorist groups?

Not according to Western "partners", although the word terrorist goes soooooo them in the light of today ....

they would really go reunite with their "brothers" ... in heaven ...

in the sky, not in the sky

[lance]

Interestingly, I thought that their Hades met, such freaks IN the sky there is not enough space.

[Chelovekprosto]

Nevertheless, it seems to me that this is primarily a fighter for gaining air supremacy and not a jihad mob hunter.

[dr.star75]

it is. for this it was created

[sabakina]

NEXUS,
Andrey, armored vehicles will not appear. Not the same theater. But I think that the SU-57 is primarily for intimidation, and then, as it goes, it may get stuck in the throat, or it might spill Niagar ...

[Xscorpion]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

And still - I do not believe in it. Top secret car - into battle? What, landfills in Russia are over? I do not believe

Syria is not a training ground? They will work out the interaction, perhaps bombard themselves a couple of times for real goals, and not for standard mock-ups at familiar training grounds, check the possibilities of detecting a real air adversary, which you will most likely have to deal with in the future, well, and maybe they will get on the nerves of the same air adversary, so as not to relaxed strongly. All the pros and cons will be taken into account later in mass production before it starts.

[maratk]

[/ quote] If the Su-57 really arrived in Syria to test weapons, does this mean that in the near future they will be involved in delivering attacks on militants of terrorist groups? [quote]

Well, we must assume that they arrived not for beauty. And it is obvious that they will be involved in sorties !!!

[serg2.72]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

And still - I do not believe in it. Top secret car - into battle? What, landfills in Russia are over? I do not believe

Today is a holiday, so they flew along with the A-50 and IL-78, fly in formation and home.

[myobius59]

What was the prom night in the psychiatric hospital today?
Or this site is not "Military Review", but "Patriotic-Fantastic-Idiotic Edition".
At least that's what most of the comments here look like.
Here the mattress covers are probably talking to the Jews, both over these planes, and over the commentators here.
One smart Amer recently told you. “We don’t care what tanks, planes and other machine guns are in Russia. The main thing is that ALL Russian money is with us. And the Central Bank of Russia is also controlled by us. So let them play there and knock their fists on the chest and tear the braids. on this chest. If only they would not cry. Well, if they become too impudent, we will show them who is the boss in the house. "
So calm down and go drink vodka. Today is a holiday. And stop COMPARING completely COMPLETE.
It’s enough for Amers and Jews to move their little fingers, and all of our VKS from Syria will fly along the back streets of it, along with the SU-57.

It's just that some tricky game is going on. Cats with a mouse.
Who is the cat and who is the mouse, I think it’s clear.

[P0LYM]

The transfer of the Su-57 is, of course, very interesting, but the transfer of the A-50 is actually very similar to the "flown" for the coalition ...

[Zomanus]

And by the way, do these airplanes have a refueling system in the air?
And again, if there is a danger, then you can always return planes to Russia.
Well, yes, testing weapons and sighting systems when working on the ground.
For many of our weapons "unparalleled" showed
not the best side in Syria.

[Conserp]

How heavily bombed by envious and haters from this news - a whole herd ran up!
And for everyone there is already foam (and from both ends of the body).

Just for the sake of this bombing, the Su-57 was worth sending to Syria.

[myobius59]

You are stupid, and there’s nothing to add to this.
If your intelligence is at the level of a stool - what are you doing here? Whatever the comments of the local “experts” and “specialists”, they express some point of view, and whether it is correct or not, time will tell.
And you only have snot and drool ...

[Conserp]

Do not forget to buy ointment.

[flicker]

In the "defense" report on the purpose of the transfer of Su-57 in Syria

Yes, the goal is simple, put on .ope all these f-22, f-35, etc. etc.

[SETTGF]

Dear! Su-57 pass tests in Syria of their radars for the real detection of objects with a small effective reflective surface in real conditions, such as aircraft of the 5th generation of the United States: F-22 and F-35. And of course, testing the entire Su-57 radio complex, as well as interacting with the A-50 flying radar to detect unobtrusive targets at long range and give target designations ... check the optoelectronic station to detect targets, including with a small effective reflective surface. ..

[uma4268]

foreign "colleagues" are lining up with presents for militants (MANPADS), a painfully alluring target flew into Syria

[Konstantin Yu]

I think the setting for the beast, both airborne and terrestrial, and for the pilots in the future, it will be easier to compare, and specialists to respond locally ...