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In the "defense" report on the purpose of the transfer of Su-57 in Syria

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Newspaper Kommersant publishes material in which, referring to a source in the person of a top manager of one of the defense industry enterprises, the purpose of transferring the latest Su-57 Russian multi-role fighter to Syria is reported. Recall that the information about the transfer of two 5-generation aircraft to the Khmeimim airbase appeared today. The video with the arrival of Su-57 fighters, which took place the day before, was originally published in Syrian blogs.


A top manager, who is referred to by Kommersant, says that the aircraft were transferred to Syria for testing aircraft weapon control systems. The first tests of weapons on the Su-57 began even before the current name was originally assigned to the T-50. Testing activities of this nature were held last summer.

In the "defense" report on the purpose of the transfer of Su-57 in Syria


It should be noted that now manufacturers are working on the creation of Su-57 aircraft with engines of the second stage. These power plants will significantly expand the capabilities of the aircraft on maneuverability and high-speed mode.

Earlier in the Defense Ministry noted that they intend to purchase 12 Su-57 under the first contract.

If Su-57 really arrived in Syria to test weapons, does this mean that in the near future they will be involved in attacking the militants of terrorist groups?
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  1. ancestors from Don
    ancestors from Don 22 February 2018 16: 01
    +37
    Only in combat conditions can you bring the car to practical perfection. Su-57 is clearly transferred to non-kerosene without a goal to burn, here and the coalition aviation can get to the nuts.
    1. figwam
      figwam 22 February 2018 16: 05
      +25
      So I think that the main goals for the Su-57 are in the sky, and not on the ground.
      1. kit88
        kit88 22 February 2018 17: 28
        +5
        So let them look at each other f22-f35 and SU-57.
        It is interesting to both them and us.
        Of course, it is necessary to protect him. I believe an agreement has been reached with probable partners on this matter.
      2. NEXUS
        NEXUS 22 February 2018 18: 51
        +22
        Quote: figvam
        So I think that the main goals for the Su-57 are in the sky, and not on the ground.

        I don’t think. The SU-57 is a heavy multi-purpose vehicle, which means that the arsenal will be tested on the ground, well, and if necessary it will be necessary for air targets. Finishing and testing a new arsenal, checking all avionics and dviguns, etc. ... in general, I won’t be surprised if, very soon, there appears infa that the SU-57 worked on the ground.
        1. kit88
          kit88 22 February 2018 20: 01
          +6
          You have an interesting point of view.
          So that the engines of the first stage and avionics check it makes no sense to fly to war. Armament, sight, defense complex - it is more likely to be checked in war.
          And then on the ground like 34s are working, and the T-50 is a replacement for the 35th. So everyone seems to be talking.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 22 February 2018 20: 07
            +13
            Quote: kit88
            So that the engines of the first stage and avionics check it makes no sense to fly to war.

            And you compare, in what terms new tanks, planes, etc. were adopted for service during the Second World War and for how long in peacetime everything was adopted for service. Tests in real combat conditions cannot be replaced by any non-combat tests. Take a look at the same Alligator ... it is relatively recently adopted and is already being modernized taking into account the use in Syria, the same applies to tanks, armored personnel carriers, etc. ...
            1. kit88
              kit88 22 February 2018 20: 23
              +6
              I agree, the war is faster. But in my opinion its main goals are not entrenched tanks, but 5th generation airplanes. It is against their background that they will see what kind of bird we have. But engines and houses can be checked for reliability.
            2. sabakina
              sabakina 22 February 2018 20: 26
              +8
              Andrew, hi , nevertheless, I think, first of all, the SU-57 is designed to conquer the sky, the earth along the way, if you suddenly need to. For "throwing" landmines do not need stealth and over-maneuverability.
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 22 February 2018 20: 38
                +11
                Quote: sabakina
                Andrew, hi , nevertheless, I think, first of all, the SU-57 is designed to conquer the sky, the earth along the way, if you suddenly need to. .

                You are wrong. The SU-57, unlike the lizard, was originally developed as a MANY PURPOSE. But the Raptor was planed precisely as a fighter for gaining dominance in the air and only recently began to teach him how to work on the ground.
                And about ...
                Quote: sabakina
                For "throwing" landmines do not need stealth and svermanevrinnost.

                But do you not take into account high-precision weapons? Or do you think that an air-to-surface missile is cheaper than the same Caliber launched from a ship?
                1. sabakina
                  sabakina 22 February 2018 21: 03
                  +4
                  Andrei, we have known each other for several years, I agree to YOU. Multipurpose is yes. BUT! But such radars, inconspicuousness, and overmarning .... For the barmalei, the SU-34 is enough.
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 22 February 2018 21: 06
                    +10
                    Quote: sabakina
                    SU-34 is enough for barmaley

                    If everything in our kingdom with weapons would be good, then probably ... but we need to catch up with mattresses who fight all the way and on the basis of this experience improve their weapons. Is there a difference when a boxer enters the ring for a real fight, or is he training in the gym with a familiar sparing partner? Experience at a completely different level.
                    1. sabakina
                      sabakina 22 February 2018 21: 11
                      +7
                      Andrei, I didn’t understand you a bit, but I think so, ours want to feel the reaction of the mattresses (Israel, at the same time), further by the saying about Russian unpredictability. In general, wait and see.
                      1. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 22 February 2018 21: 17
                        +9
                        Quote: sabakina
                        but I think so, ours want to feel the reaction of the mattresses (at the same time, Israel),

                        I don’t think ... such a step as the transfer of a secret fighter, which did not even pass military tests, indicates a serious mood of the Kremlin. At the same time, it’s one thing to drive the SU-5 for 57 years for all exercises and then, in the year 23-25, to take into service, or to test and test the fighter and arsenal in real combat conditions for six months and put it into series as early as next year. I said, it’s possible to go to train in the gym for years and then go into the ring and the boxer who takes on combat experience not in training sparings, but in real battles, takes you.
                        The decision is, of course, controversial and ambiguous, I’ll say ... I won’t be surprised if the Armata T-14 and T-15, with Boomerangs and Kurganians appear in the same way in Syria ...
                2. Grigory_45
                  Grigory_45 23 February 2018 00: 46
                  +3
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  And you do not take into account high-precision weapons?

                  what the hell is the su-57 in its current form a precision weapon? The maximum that they can is to throw a couple of cast-iron bombs. And that is unlikely. All other types of military equipment participated in real databases, used standard weapons (the same Alligators - NAR and ATGMs), and Su-57 in Syria, by and large, has nothing to do. There is no one there to wage air battles with. With no less efficiency, you can work out in training battles at the Lipetsk Center. The experience, of course, will be, but very specific, and not at all the one you broadcast
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                    2. Grigory_45
                      Grigory_45 23 February 2018 02: 56
                      +2
                      I’m silent about the fact that the plane is not only raw, but also secret. How can secrecy be ensured at Khmeimim? Do you have a clue what it is?
                      How to ensure even its minor repairs (this is not a serial and well-developed machine), anything can break down at any time. Do not know? You are like a child of pre-retirement age, by golly lol .
                      I really hope that the planes will very soon return to Russia and they will be engaged in business - to bring to mind and "learn to fly", and not engage in window dressing.
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                3. Conserp
                  Conserp 23 February 2018 14: 41
                  +2
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  But the Raptor was planed precisely as a fighter for gaining dominance in the air and only recently began to teach him how to work on the ground.

                  You’ll laugh, but now the F-22 is combat-ready as a bomber, but it’s practically not operational in the role of a fighter: it cannot use air-defense missiles from over-sound compartments.

                  They plan to start finishing in 2019 - according to the program Increment 3.2B.

                  What irony ...

                  The F-35 is also not operational - it is not even suitable for the start of testing, according to a January report.

                  In fact, an image blow is now being dealt - the Americans decided to light their toys over Syria, like, they are "already tested in battle." But as a result, they will look extremely fluid and pale.
        2. Alexdark
          Alexdark 22 February 2018 22: 52
          +2
          Quote: NEXUS
          and if necessary it will be necessary for air targets.


          Quote: Ancestors from the Don
          here and coalition aviation can get "nuts".

          Yeah, how ... It’s all knocking us down, that’s all. They are not afraid of anything because there will never be an answer, only an empty bluff from the Moscow Region, with puffed cheeks. What's wrong? Facts, feet wiping.
          And now, supporters will come - "but if you do it differently, then this is a war, a dangerous deed!". Pff. How many of these dangerous "delas" were over a century of history, and not so happened. No wars, no global threat. In any case, NATo and KO are engaged in such dangerous actions without any shudders. Alarmists and cowards around, and with a hypertrophied attitude to minor aggression, which did not and does not lead to the apocalypse of war. Moreover, once it is given in the teeth, here even the sanctions are weakened. A bunch of examples from the USSR. Eh, okay, consumers who value a refrigerator will make a rag from the country, no one counts a dirty rag, and they laugh at the Atat bluff.
          I will quote, "if a fight is inevitable, you have to beat first." Although the quote is not suitable for our current policy, it is alien, absurd, unfortunately. But the fight does not necessarily develop into a massacre, which the Russian consumer is so afraid of with her exaggerated fantasies about the global war.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 22 February 2018 22: 57
            +9
            Quote: AlexDARK
            Yeah, how ... It’s all knocking us down, that’s all.

            Is everything straight and in bundles? Regarding the SU-24 shot down by the Turks, to this day I believe that it was necessary to land a couple of Turkish fighters, sticking them in the ground ... but. If we had a conflict with the Turks, what mattresses wanted so much, then the war in Syria would have dragged us into the wash-out toilet. Do we need this?
            And about the downed SU-25 MANPADS ... So this is a war, soldiers are dying there.
        3. g1v2
          g1v2 23 February 2018 02: 27
          +2
          Well, just need to check it in flight conditions next to a likely enemy. How well he sees them, how closely they see himself. As with maneuverability in comparison. And just pilots need to get used to seeing a real enemy on radar. To know the limits of their own and foreign technology. as well as advantages and disadvantages, if any. request
          1. Grigory_45
            Grigory_45 23 February 2018 14: 30
            +1
            Quote: g1v2
            Well, just need to check it in flight conditions next to a likely enemy. How well he sees them, how closely they see himself

            I wonder how you are going to check? Call the NATO headquarters and ask for a pilot report and notes from the airborne equipment?
            The second one. "Raptor" fly with Luneberg lenses to increase the EPR. So you don’t understand anything. Americans, too, are not fools to shine on the stealth parameters of their aircraft.

            Quote: g1v2
            As with maneuverability in comparison

            compare how will you? Challenge the brave Yankees to a training aerial battle? Complete nonsense
            Quote: g1v2
            To know the limits of their own and foreign technology

            but this can only be found in a real war. That is, again by
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      3. igorspb
        igorspb 22 February 2018 19: 24
        +1
        Agree to 146%
    2. Thrall
      Thrall 22 February 2018 16: 06
      +4
      Quote: ancestors from the Don
      here and coalition aviation can get "nuts"

      But this is better not necessary.
      1. figwam
        figwam 22 February 2018 17: 01
        +11
        Quote: Thrall
        Quote: ancestors from the Don
        here and coalition aviation can get "nuts"

        But this is better not necessary.

        If the Syrian troops will conduct a ground operation, then our aircraft can cover from the sky together with AWACS and air defense, creating the so-called A2AD zone. The Americans raised rates in the war, using their modern weapons to protect terrorists, so now the answer is ours.
      2. Angel_and_Demon
        Angel_and_Demon 22 February 2018 17: 20
        +7
        Quote: Thrall
        But this is better not necessary.

        But how to check for lice fu-35?
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 22 February 2018 18: 21
          +1
          It seems to me that the presence of Su-57 in the air will be a very restraining factor. Especially considering that without the Su-35 they are unlikely to fly.
          1. Angel_and_Demon
            Angel_and_Demon 22 February 2018 18: 27
            +5
            and during break-in, all air targets will be considered potentially dangerous and subject to destruction
    3. Zhelezyakin
      Zhelezyakin 22 February 2018 16: 09
      +14
      So that to distribute nuts to adversaries it is not necessary to drive a promising car. Complexes (missile-bomb) weapons are still unchanged. Here is the development of fire control systems, yes, for this they sent. But they will certainly shoot at the bearded.
      1. parkello
        parkello 22 February 2018 16: 59
        +4
        You speak Zhelezyakin correctly. I think so too. probably bearded will be beaten
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 22 February 2018 20: 33
          +7
          Quote: parkello
          You speak Zhelezyakin correctly. I think so too. probably bearded will be beaten

          US troops stationed in South Korea can now not shave and wear earrings outside the office.

          Are you talking about them?
          1. starpom
            starpom 22 February 2018 20: 59
            +2
            Quote: sabakina
            Are you talking about them?

            +100500
            1. Svarog51
              Svarog51 23 February 2018 01: 51
              +1
              Correct what Sevastyan Pereira did ?. Catching the dark-skinned, bearded and with an earring in the nose of African-Americans in South Korea and delivering them to the Middle East - closer to their home? I like the idea. good
              1. Zhelezyakin
                Zhelezyakin 23 February 2018 10: 51
                +1
                Salute, Sergey! hi
                Hush, and now liberalists and other oppressed offenders will attack, cost-a-hey !!!
                1. Svarog51
                  Svarog51 25 February 2018 16: 49
                  +1
                  Hi Aleksey hi
                  Hush, and now liberalists and other oppressed offenders will attack, cost-a-hey !!!

                  They won’t succeed, but I propose to fix THEIR jambs. wink
          2. parkello
            parkello 22 February 2018 21: 23
            +4
            about them, about them)) and in Syria they have grown beards. so beat them ... they don’t spare and you don’t spare.
      2. Azim77
        Azim77 22 February 2018 17: 22
        +9
        In the West, the media do the weather. Who are constantly searching and then pouring news from around the world into the ears of their listeners. And the news that the Russians drove into Syria the newest the fighters will make a lot of noise and will be a loud statement: the Russians are very serious, they are raising the bid. And although it is clear for military specialists that the 2 aircraft cannot affect the overall picture, they will have to reckon with the fears and fears of their left, right, motley “experts”.
        1. Vita vko
          Vita vko 22 February 2018 22: 37
          0
          Quote: Azim77
          that 2 planes cannot affect the overall picture,

          Most likely they can and have already influenced. Information has already passed in the media that F-22 flights have been banned. All other types of aircraft are easy targets even for obsolete air defense systems. After the recent events related to the attack on the Syrian militias in which several Russian mercenaries of the air defense missile system BUK were killed. they are escorted by the advancing CAA troops, as a result of which the Americans also restricted manned flights in these areas.
    4. Maz
      Maz 22 February 2018 16: 32
      +2
      Rather scare aggressive neighbors
    5. RASKAT
      RASKAT 23 February 2018 01: 41
      0
      Only in combat conditions can the car be brought to practical perfection.

      What are the combat conditions in Syria for a fighter to gain air supremacy? I would like to know? There and Israel there is a whole range of reconnaissance of both long-range radar and radio interception, etc. We will only disclose at what frequencies does the radar operate on the Su-57. And still there are powerful 1000 km radars that scan all of Syria. And they can also, for example, irradiate Su-57, which will allow for example to determine its EPR of aircraft.
      In Syria, there are no real goals for SU-57, it's all some kind of PR campaign, it seems to me.
  2. Ural cossack
    Ural cossack 22 February 2018 16: 05
    +13
    Handsome man! May God grant strength to our homeland.
    1. taiga2018
      taiga2018 22 February 2018 16: 09
      +8
      Quote: Ural Cossack
      May God grant strength to our homeland.

      God forbid that he was not shot down there "by a blow in the back ..."
      1. bk316
        bk316 22 February 2018 16: 34
        +18
        God forbid that he was not shot down there "by a blow in the back ..."

        This plane should not get off with “stabs in the back” and this he will have to learn in Syria
      2. NEXUS
        NEXUS 22 February 2018 18: 55
        +15
        Quote: taiga2018
        God forbid that he was not shot down there "by a blow in the back ...

        Firstly, one 57th will not fly, but will be on the link with the SU-35 ... And secondly, the SU-57 has an AFAR Squirrel (at least 5 radars!) And the entire surface in the sensors ... first, let’s pick it up, not to mention trying to bring down. The enemy fighter is faster stuck in the ground than he thinks something like that.
        1. dr.star75
          dr.star75 22 February 2018 20: 04
          +3
          Controversial decision. And given the fact that security at the base is not 100%, you can lose these aircraft at the airport
        2. Herman 4223
          Herman 4223 22 February 2018 21: 57
          0
          There is no radar behind
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 22 February 2018 22: 03
            +9
            Quote: Herman 4223
            There is no radar behind

            On the Su-57 it is planned to install an optical-electronic location system (OLS) for detecting airborne targets of the front hemisphere - OLS-50M. It is installed like a Su-27 in front of the cockpit with an offset to the starboard side, due to the peculiarities of the removal of the fuel rod. A feature is the ability to rotate the active part towards the rear hemisphere, what are achieved by such properties: as protection against solar erosion in the parking position, and lowering the EPR. The first property is achieved by physically isolating the working part from the rays of the sun, and the second by applying radio-absorbing materials on the back of the moving part.

            The use of an additional radar, spaced from the main one both in position and in the frequency range, will not only increase the noise immunity and combat survivability of the structure, but also significantly neutralize technologies for reducing the visibility of enemy aircraft, which can only reduce visibility in a certain range of radio wavelengths. It is assumed that such radars can also be placed in any structural elements of the airframe.
  3. Spambox
    Spambox 22 February 2018 16: 06
    +1
    I hope to experience with him will be a new modification of the RVV rocket
    1. Kasym
      Kasym 22 February 2018 16: 26
      +10
      Most likely, ammunition working on the ground will be tested for use.
      F-22 from the Su-35S run. Su-57 remains its avionics on the "stealth" to check. hi
      1. Viktor.12.71
        Viktor.12.71 22 February 2018 17: 49
        +9
        Quote: Kasym
        F-22 from the Su-35S run.

        Well, yes, one SU-35 drove a pair of F-22s, but only the Americans were not comfortable. The adversary is trembling, there are as many as two units SU-57 fitted.
        1. Korax71
          Korax71 22 February 2018 18: 12
          +5
          Why stop people from living in their own illusory world lol
          1. Kasym
            Kasym 22 February 2018 19: 44
            +2
            Task: F-22 includes its AFAR, and Su-57 its VFAR under the guise of S-300 and S-400. Who has the advantage and who will be more afraid of whom?
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 22 February 2018 21: 01
              +11
              Quote: Kasym
              and the Su-57 own PFAR

              What fright did the SU-57 take from the PFAR?
              Н036 (Squirrel) - Russian small-sized aviation radar station with active phased array antenna for promising fifth generation fighters.

              It is assumed that the detection range of targets with an EPR of 1 m² is 400 km, the number of simultaneously tracked targets is 62 with the possibility of targeting 16 targets in air or 4 on land. The on-board computer uses Elbrus processors.
              1. Kasym
                Kasym 22 February 2018 21: 31
                +3
                Good evening, NEXUS!
                We don’t know exactly what the Su-57 is. Whether that Squirrel is ready or not, whether it was put on the first flight samples. Therefore, he suggested that let that Bars with the Su-30SM be there. I read somewhere that Irbis doesn’t fit in there - therefore, let Leopard be — we will facilitate the task of the adversary. It is also known that the first avionics samples were not complete.
                I think that since he was sent there, the Su-57 is in a high degree of readiness. And having a good radar coverage over Syria and under the supervision of such S-300 and S-400 air defense systems, the old Syrian S-200 and other air defense systems, we can say that the conditions for combat tests of the Su-57 are, if not ideal, then very favorable. Of course, it is impossible to exclude provocations from the "partners" - for them the goal is very noble. hi
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 22 February 2018 21: 36
                  +8
                  Quote: Kasym
                  Good evening, NEXUS!

                  Good evening, Kasym. hi
                  Quote: Kasym
                  Of course, it is impossible to exclude provocations from the "partners" - for them the goal is very noble.


                  I am sure that after this news AWACs will fly in those parts like flies ...
                  1. Kasym
                    Kasym 22 February 2018 21: 44
                    +2
                    This is really interesting - how will the Russian Federation oppose these AWACS ?! Surely they will want to "paint a portrait" - can electronic warfare systems counteract this !? And what other electronic warfare systems is Russia ready to pull up or has already deployed ?! The arrival of the A-50 we already see. hi
                    1. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 22 February 2018 21: 49
                      +9
                      Quote: Kasym
                      The arrival of the A-50 we already see.

                      I can assume that the IL-22 "Logger" will soon appear in the same place ...
                      1. Kasym
                        Kasym 22 February 2018 22: 15
                        +2
                        It can also be assumed that AWACS will begin to accompany the growth. fighters.
                        By the way, we know that the engines are still old. Therefore, avionics can not be "native", not the most modern and let them draw portraits as they please.
                        It is also interesting what ammunition can now use the Su-57.
            2. Viktor.12.71
              Viktor.12.71 22 February 2018 21: 08
              0
              Quote: Kasym
              Who has the advantage and who will be more afraid of whom?

              The one who technology has gone further.
            3. Locksmith
              Locksmith 22 February 2018 21: 19
              +1
              Quote: Kasym
              Task: F-22 includes its AFAR, and Su-57 its PFAR

              Is that what you called passive location mode? wink 57 also has AFAR good
              1. Kasym
                Kasym 22 February 2018 21: 50
                +1
                Locksmith, we don’t know exactly yet. Only I will be glad if the Squirrel has already passed the tests and is already standing there. Remember how much they wrote to us for the Beetle. But Bars is certainly tested and works on the Su-30SM.
                In my opinion, one of the pilots on the site wrote that from a 6-7 flight instance of the T-50 (Su-57), they began to establish a more or less full-fledged avionics. hi
              2. NEXUS
                NEXUS 23 February 2018 00: 58
                +8
                Quote: Locksmith
                57 also has AFAR

                Not one, but at least 5, unlike the pangolin. Plus sensors on the skin.
                1. Town Hall
                  Town Hall 23 February 2018 01: 14
                  0
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  Quote: Locksmith
                  57 also has AFAR

                  Not one, but at least 5, unlike the pangolin. Plus sensors on the skin.




                  At 57-ROFAR ... infa from reliable sources ...
            4. the most important
              the most important 22 February 2018 21: 47
              +1
              Quote: Kasym
              Failure: F-22 includes its AFAR, and Su-57 its PFAR under the guise of S-300 and S-400. Who has the advantage and who will be more afraid of whom?

              There are two snipers in the forest. One also with a flashlight. Who will win?
              1. Kasym
                Kasym 22 February 2018 22: 19
                +1
                Probably the most important. wink
                In my opinion, under such an air defense cover, let the "partners" even send a Su-57 for each sortie squadron. hi
              2. dr.star75
                dr.star75 22 February 2018 23: 01
                +1
                One without a flashlight. He is not visible
              3. NEXUS
                NEXUS 23 February 2018 01: 00
                +10
                Quote: the most important
                There are two snipers in the forest. One also with a flashlight. Who will win?

                The one with the OLS-50M is available.
          2. sabakina
            sabakina 22 February 2018 20: 36
            +5
            Quote: Korax71
            Why stop people from living in their own illusory world lol

            Who needs you?
        2. sabakina
          sabakina 22 February 2018 20: 38
          +4
          Viktor.12.71, can we poorly tell us why the F-22 was dumped?
          1. Viktor.12.71
            Viktor.12.71 22 February 2018 21: 07
            +1
            Quote: sabakina
            Viktor.12.71, can we poorly tell us why the F-22 was dumped?

            Was the boy the question? For some reason, I did not find such information in the Western media, although they like to shout that Russia creates dangerous incidents in the air.
            1. sabakina
              sabakina 22 February 2018 21: 27
              +3
              Viktor.12.71, I'm not a Western press, I will say simply. It was time for the F-22 pilot to change the diaper, so it flew away. Any questions?
              1. Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)
                Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg) 23 February 2018 00: 09
                0
                but the su-25 began to hysteria when the drying blinked fku. but change diaper fke. but the sukashki hysteria. interesting position, what can I say, gg
              2. Korax71
                Korax71 23 February 2018 15: 28
                0
                Do not take mo's dreams as a fait accompli. Our mo has nothing more than his “honest” words. Striped ones can even be found where in the flight log it is shown that neither in the area, nor in that place f 22 appeared. if our mo had used evidence, then everyone would know about them.
            2. Kasym
              Kasym 22 February 2018 21: 39
              +2
              Victor, and the Western media, what do they write about Ukraine? As the Odessa tragedy or those militia cauldrons were covered. How is the shelling of Donbass illuminated, how many people are dying? How much humanitarian aid does the Russian Federation send there? If we talk about Syria - then how they illuminate the "white helmets" and chem. attacks? Who are they blaming for?
              Therefore, I think it’s not worth looking for truth in the Western media - they are too biased (biased and biased towards any actions of Syria and its allies). hi
              1. Viktor.12.71
                Viktor.12.71 23 February 2018 05: 41
                +1
                Quote: Kasym
                and the western media

                I read Western and our media, the picture of the world is becoming less understood. I do not consider Americans idiots and cowards, they have a completely different outlook on things. But the headlines are that the Su-35 drove the raptors, or the recent ones that the Su-57 drove the raptors out of Syria, but that's just how the Americans flew the way they fly, isn’t it? Why do F-22 fly over the CAA control zone? Or why should the Su-35 or Su-57 fly over the US control zone? I don’t even remember that such incidents would be, except for the Su-25 approaching the SDF positions where the F-22 pair arrived, after which they all went home.
  4. pjbunny
    pjbunny 22 February 2018 16: 11
    +4
    and I have a few questions:
    how many specialists from the “dry” arrived, allies and techies for such a flight? I doubt that they let me fly and come back, so the number of these specialists is no less interesting to me. Was there a refueling in the air? Well, and what "belongings" under su 57 were brought to the base?
    1. vovanpain
      vovanpain 22 February 2018 16: 27
      +18
      Quote: pjbunny
      and which “belongings” under su 57 were brought to the base?

      You better contact the Ministry of Defense of Russia and personally to Shoigu. hi
      1. IL-18
        IL-18 22 February 2018 16: 46
        +10
        Quote: vovanpain
        Quote: pjbunny
        and which “belongings” under su 57 were brought to the base?

        You better contact the Ministry of Defense of Russia and personally to Shoigu. hi

        Better immediately in the first section laughing
    2. Herculesic
      Herculesic 22 February 2018 16: 27
      +13
      Now, the FSB will come to you lol all the information will be brought to you personally! fool
      1. pjbunny
        pjbunny 22 February 2018 17: 10
        +1
        nice man, twist and knock at home if you are not interested. it is clear that no one will give an answer on the forum.
      2. Angel_and_Demon
        Angel_and_Demon 22 February 2018 17: 22
        +9
        Quote: Herkulesich
        all the information will be brought to you personally!

        while in the form of a familiarization protocol laughing
    3. Kasym
      Kasym 22 February 2018 16: 29
      +3
      Specialists from Sukhoi and other design bureaus are constantly there.
      In fact, the GDP promised them to show such power that had not been shown before. hi
      1. pjbunny
        pjbunny 22 February 2018 17: 14
        0
        each special from dry, other KB has access and knowledge up to su 57?)) as well as techies.
    4. Maz
      Maz 22 February 2018 16: 34
      +7
      There, a passenger carrier was noted. apparently there are specialists
    5. jaroff
      jaroff 22 February 2018 18: 48
      +3
      What is the refueling in the air? From Akhtubinsk calmly flew.
  5. yehat
    yehat 22 February 2018 16: 13
    +1
    says that planes are flown to Syria to carry out

    Yes, everyone understands! already zadolbali green men carrying democracy with Proxima Centauri
    so that their flying pots stay away from the Syrian surface, smeared with honey,
    and relocated planes to test repellents.
  6. bazzbazz
    bazzbazz 22 February 2018 16: 14
    +2
    They would say that it’s not at the famous air show in Syria, which has been going on for a long time))
    And what else could be said, tests, checks, tests ... Good luck!
  7. Livonetc
    Livonetc 22 February 2018 16: 14
    +3
    Quote: taiga2018
    Quote: Ural Cossack
    May God grant strength to our homeland.

    God forbid that he was not shot down there "by a blow in the back ..."

    The Almighty has nothing to do with this.
    1. Ural cossack
      Ural cossack 22 February 2018 17: 32
      +5
      It has everything. And even to your words about him.
  8. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 22 February 2018 16: 21
    +3
    And still - I do not believe in it. Top secret car - into battle? What, landfills in Russia are over? I do not believe
    1. yehat
      yehat 22 February 2018 16: 24
      +14
      you know, this is still not a tourist bus, this is a combat vehicle designed for battle.
      it would be strange if they didn’t want her to "fight"
    2. bk316
      bk316 22 February 2018 16: 44
      +7
      It just says that the plane was brought to a state close to combat readiness
    3. vovanpain
      vovanpain 22 February 2018 16: 51
      +12
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      What, landfills in Russia are over?

      Syria is generally the best training ground. Really for battle trials. hi
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 22 February 2018 20: 42
        +2
        Vovka, pryuvet! Most importantly, there are F-35s on both sides. I think SU-57 will be their nightmare.
  9. Herculesic
    Herculesic 22 February 2018 16: 25
    +3
    Here you have, especially for those who did not believe, the confirmation of my information that the Su57 prototypes will be the first combat squadron in our Air Force! The second squadron will have planes with a second stage engine - that is, the main engine for this plane!
  10. Vita vko
    Vita vko 22 February 2018 16: 27
    +20
    The designers decided to take a chance and see how the new Su-57 will behave against its counterparts F-22 and F-35. Such an assessment can really be done only now in Syria. At the same time, the A-50U AWACS, in addition to the main tasks, will play the role of an objective control and measuring center for assessing the effectiveness of the Su-57. The main thing now is to lure the Americans, who can and are afraid to peck at such a bait .. It's one thing to simply yell everywhere about the 5th generation, getting billions in contracts and completely meet in the air with a real plane of this generation.
    1. bk316
      bk316 22 February 2018 17: 37
      +6
      Something tells me that they will not even come close to the su-57 su-35 a-50 group.
      Even in theory, they are not ready to act on such conditions. Now, if avax raproot and penguins are against a single su-57, then maybe ...
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      1. Vita vko
        Vita vko 22 February 2018 20: 07
        +1
        Quote: Borzikov
        Frank nonsense.
        Dear, this is what you write about air shows and corrupt employees. During reconnaissance flights, and even more so during the show, no one in their right mind will turn on the combat modes of the radar and communications. Even demonstrative aerial combat is not a serious criterion for evaluating combat capabilities at long and medium distances. In addition, ground-based radars differ significantly both in frequency range and in operating modes from Su-57 radars and you can only “draw” a picture for an advertisement. What, in principle, the United States is doing and selling the F-35 to its allies under the big name of the 5th generation aircraft.
  11. anjey
    anjey 22 February 2018 16: 33
    0
    If Su-57 really arrived in Syria to test weapons, does this mean that in the near future they will be involved in attacking the militants of terrorist groups?
    Not according to Western "partners", although the word terrorist goes soooooo them in the light of today ....
    1. Yuyuka
      Yuyuka 22 February 2018 16: 44
      0
      Quote: anjey
      If Su-57 really arrived in Syria to test weapons, does this mean that in the near future they will be involved in attacking the militants of terrorist groups?
      Not according to Western "partners", although the word terrorist goes soooooo them in the light of today ....


      they would really go reunite with their "brothers" ... in heaven ...
  12. SOF
    SOF 22 February 2018 16: 38
    +8
    ... weird ...
    And the happy owners of fe-35, from one Middle East country, for some reason, are modestly silent.
    1. prapor75m
      prapor75m 22 February 2018 16: 41
      +5
      now they come out and will prove that theirs is .... the most of the most wink
    2. IL-18
      IL-18 22 February 2018 16: 52
      +6
      They are getting ready for February 23.
  13. HEATHER
    HEATHER 22 February 2018 16: 41
    +1
    I haven’t seen the official statement. The video is too slippery and unproven. I doubt the veracity of this story. Cars with 117C engines. This is not the 2nd stage engines.
    1. bk316
      bk316 22 February 2018 17: 40
      +5
      That's something that engines can and we bring to mind a weapon control system and so on. Avionics is better at raptors.
    2. sabakina
      sabakina 22 February 2018 20: 46
      +3
      Dimych, do you believe me?
      1. HEATHER
        HEATHER 23 February 2018 23: 16
        +1
        Dimych, do you believe me? How many years, how many winters. I believe you. Like the latest news about 4 (!) Su-57 in Syria.
  14. Starik72
    Starik72 22 February 2018 16: 45
    +2
    I think it’s very important to test the SU-57 not only in the greenhouse field tests, but also to test in combat conditions. These tests will show all the pros and cons, and allow it to become stronger on its feet, and show what the SU-57 is capable of.
  15. senima56
    senima56 22 February 2018 16: 46
    0
    And if he is not “involved in striking militants,” then why was he sent to Syria ?!
  16. Aleksandr21
    Aleksandr21 22 February 2018 16: 55
    +2
    And was it worth it to transfer to the theater in conditions when the combat vehicle has not yet been adopted for service and is undergoing state tests? He now needs a permanent escort so that God forbid something happens to him, and this is still a secret development and our opponents will be happy to know the characteristics of such an aircraft .... what can be tried out in Syria that cannot be tested with us? Yes, even with such risks, xs.
    1. Stabilization
      Stabilization 22 February 2018 17: 37
      +3
      then brought to the desired state otherwise not allowed for sure
      1. Aleksandr21
        Aleksandr21 22 February 2018 17: 47
        +1
        Quote: Stabilization
        then brought to the desired state otherwise not allowed for sure


        He did not pass the test, which means he has not yet been accepted for service, the tests are in test mode, and then the Su-57 is primarily a fighter of even the 5th generation, but a fighter and not a bomber. What should he do there? On F-22 and F-35, no one will give him missiles to work out, but will fly into the air when trying to intercept, will give opponents a good opportunity to study the performance characteristics of our latest aircraft.
        1. NN52
          NN52 22 February 2018 23: 01
          +9
          Aleksandr21

          He ends up.
          You do not know, do not write, you will look smarter ...
          Testing on ground targets, one of the last ,,,
          1. Aleksandr21
            Aleksandr21 23 February 2018 08: 32
            0
            Quote: NN52
            Aleksandr21

            He ends up.
            You do not know, do not write, you will look smarter ...
            Testing on ground targets, one of the last ,,,


            Have you tried to read the comment carefully? or just what to write? “He didn’t pass the Gosses, which means he hasn’t adopted him yet”, but the fact that he finishes them is a completely different story, but between the finishes and the big difference ends. There, in addition to working off ground targets, they will find something to work out ...
    2. aliis-M
      aliis-M 22 February 2018 17: 56
      +2
      By the way, this practice has already begun to appear with us, it was like that with the Su-34 (in Georgia), now the Su-57 ...
    3. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 22 February 2018 18: 00
      +1
      Quote: Aleksandr21
      And was it worth it to transfer to the theater in conditions when the combat vehicle has not yet been adopted for service and is undergoing state tests? He now needs a permanent escort so that God forbid something happens to him, and this is still a secret development and our opponents will be happy to know the characteristics of such an aircraft .... what can be tried out in Syria that cannot be tested with us? Yes, even with such risks, xs.

      Most likely, they want to check for the discovery of amers of the fifth generation.
      1. region58
        region58 22 February 2018 18: 47
        +5
        Quote: Krasnodar
        for the discovery of fifth generation amers.

        Information flashed that they (F-22) and in Syria with Luneberg lenses fly (to increase the EPR), that is, you will not feel the real signature ...
  17. Toorik
    Toorik 22 February 2018 17: 21
    0
    and the sense of risking prototypes ??? if for serial machines like su 30/34/35 everything is still not brought to mind and the devices are cut off ....
    1. aliis-M
      aliis-M 22 February 2018 17: 34
      +1
      to the series "bring to mind the devices so as not to be cut off"
    2. Stabilization
      Stabilization 22 February 2018 17: 36
      +1
      Do not share the links? on about devices.
      1. aliis-M
        aliis-M 22 February 2018 17: 50
        +2
        Yes, stuffing clean water, how else to explain that both Su-30 and Su-35, and Su-34 devices suddenly began to be cut off, Toorik forgot to attribute Su-24 and Su-25, to give a complete picture of our aviation in Syria .
        1. Toorik
          Toorik 22 February 2018 19: 09
          0
          I can’t disclose the source ... if there are any pilots who know which ones fly on these machines, ask them ....
          1. sabakina
            sabakina 22 February 2018 20: 52
            +3
            Toorik, tell your friends the pilots that there is such a thing, the cigarettes "Belomor-channel" are called. With this bundle of cigarettes, appliances are not needed.
            1. Grigory_45
              Grigory_45 23 February 2018 14: 24
              0
              Quote: sabakina
              cigarettes "Belomor-channel" are called. With this bundle of cigarettes, appliances are not needed.

              yeah there is such a historical joke. True, a normal adequate person does not accept jokes (stories) at face value lol
          2. NN52
            NN52 22 February 2018 23: 09
            +9
            Toorik

            I have familiar pilots.
            Enough tryndet ...
            1. Toorik
              Toorik 23 February 2018 04: 17
              0
              ask the next time in person ...
  18. foreman
    foreman 22 February 2018 17: 42
    0
    I think that the plane with the engine \ second \ line is also there !!!!
    1. aliis-M
      aliis-M 22 February 2018 17: 52
      0
      It is unlikely that weapon systems will be tested in a real combat situation, while the engines of the second stage are finished. IMHO)
    2. lance
      lance 22 February 2018 20: 47
      0
      this is not possible, it was installed on su in November 2017. what kind of military action is it? on it, so far, even all test modes have probably not been passed.
      1. aliis-M
        aliis-M 22 February 2018 23: 01
        0
        I completely agree, and something tells me that the very first 12 aircraft will be with the engines of the first stage, but this does not overshadow the general impression, against the background of thoughts “more likely”.
        1. Grigory_45
          Grigory_45 23 February 2018 14: 15
          +1
          Quote: aliis-M
          and something tells me that the very first 12 aircraft will be with engines of the first stage

          This was officially announced - the first production cars will go with AL-41. Everyone understands that miracles do not happen.
          In general, this is not so scary. If you look at the history of the development of aviation, this (when the first series of aircraft did not go with the engines they were supposed to at all) happened all the time. In any case, you need to master the car.
          1. aliis-M
            aliis-M 25 February 2018 03: 21
            0
            In any case, you need to master the car.

            I absolutely agree with you!
    3. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 23 February 2018 14: 22
      +1
      Quote: Sergeant Major
      I think that the plane with the engine \ second \ line is also there !!!!

      There is no such plane at all. On one of the prototypes, T-50-2, set instead of one engine new, "product 30".

      This is, in fact, a flying laboratory, an airplane with two different engines. He will fly for so long .. But in general, running in a new engine does not interfere with the Su-35, for example. The problem is not in the presence of media, but in the presence of engines
  19. Vadmir
    Vadmir 22 February 2018 17: 47
    0
    The main thing is not to lose the plane (war nevertheless) over the territory of the opposition, but given the close relationship between Isil and other "opposition" with the United States, our latest technologies may be in the hands of a potential adversary.
    1. aliis-M
      aliis-M 22 February 2018 17: 53
      0
      But these are real risks.
  20. tchoni
    tchoni 22 February 2018 18: 15
    +2
    Apparently, after a failure with earlier models that allowed raptors to rook, the guys from the Sukhoi Design Bureau decided to take revenge. Well, let's see what comes of it ...
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      1. tchoni
        tchoni 22 February 2018 20: 43
        0
        Here, in order to "take into account unaccounted zones" the fighter was assigned to rooks ... And how then is he still not to blame !? wink
        1. dr.star75
          dr.star75 22 February 2018 21: 08
          0
          And what is this story about rook and su-35?
          1. Rec
            Rec 23 February 2018 01: 10
            0
            Quote: dr.star75
            And what is this story about rook and su-35?

            And the "Raptor" mentioned. Intrigued, countиyou.
            1. tchoni
              tchoni 23 February 2018 13: 36
              0
              Two cases where American raptors approached our su-25s at a close range and simulated this very battle. In this case, in both cases, the cover of a pair of su25 was performed by dry fighters. However, both times f22 managed to get closer to their wards. The reaction from escort fighters began after the stormtrooper pilots reported a dangerous rapprochement.
              1. Conserp
                Conserp 23 February 2018 15: 06
                0
                Quote: tchoni
                The reaction from escort fighters began leash after

                Should it have begun in advance, or what?
  21. Ace Tambourine
    Ace Tambourine 22 February 2018 18: 41
    0
    Something seems to me that under the current situation in the ATS, and the waltzing of our um ... how would I say better ... well, in general, you understand ... we will also see PAK YES in the ATS ...
  22. Zadayvoprosy
    Zadayvoprosy 22 February 2018 18: 47
    +1
    The goals of these machines are to raise patriotism before March 18th. That’s why this topic is so heavily discussed on the very first day of its appearance. And about Wagner’s PMC there were articles of this kind - "How to properly close the topic" PMCs and the reaction to events in Syria "."
    Before the election, this su-57 wouldn’t roll out anywhere, it wasn’t enough for our strategic partners to knock it out, otherwise the ratings of the sun would fall ...
    1. Ace Tambourine
      Ace Tambourine 22 February 2018 18: 49
      0
      But this is already much closer to the Body ...
      Moreover, it has already been stated that they will not be used in the database.
      So what for a goat button accordion?
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 23 February 2018 15: 40
      0
      "And then the ratings of the sun will fall ..." Vryatli it somehow will affect Kim Jong-un.
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    1. Ace Tambourine
      Ace Tambourine 22 February 2018 19: 09
      0
      Or maybe they threw them like bait?
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        1. lance
          lance 22 February 2018 20: 53
          0
          actually an option. and how to pull out our partners because of their "curtain", the barmels from below are not an obstacle to him.
    2. Conserp
      Conserp 23 February 2018 15: 07
      0
      Quote: Borzikov
      to shoot him down with the wrong hands

      What exactly are you going to shoot him down in these fantasies?
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 23 February 2018 15: 42
        0
        Under the MANPADS, the Stinger of the latest modifications, from moderate ones, can fall if it goes down 4,5 km.
  24. Urantian
    Urantian 22 February 2018 19: 14
    0
    In less than 100 years ..., it was possible to identify the shortcomings of this aircraft in combat conditions for two years already .....
    1. Ace Tambourine
      Ace Tambourine 22 February 2018 19: 18
      0
      Don’t tell ... Years as 2 partners only passed all the information about him, but now they’ve brought up samples for studying them ..
      It smells bad ...
      1. dr.star75
        dr.star75 22 February 2018 21: 13
        0
        Can share information on the transfer of all information about the t-50 partners? Well, so that everyone knows?
  25. Ace Tambourine
    Ace Tambourine 22 February 2018 19: 28
    0
    Offer a small tote ...
    Main question. One of the SU-57s will remain there forever (well, as always for objective or inexplicable reasons), or not.
    The cost of 100 rubles foreign to us from the US Federal Reserve.
    1. lance
      lance 22 February 2018 20: 55
      0
      sure to come back, what is the initial bid?
    2. sabakina
      sabakina 22 February 2018 20: 57
      +2
      Ohhhh! And I thought, Leon Golubkov fiction ...
    3. dr.star75
      dr.star75 22 February 2018 21: 15
      0
      Your bid?
    4. Rec
      Rec 23 February 2018 01: 18
      0
      Quote: Ace of Diamonds
      Offered

      Burn, Tambourine. (C)
  26. rehev931
    rehev931 22 February 2018 19: 37
    0
    Quote: Yuyuka
    Quote: anjey
    If Su-57 really arrived in Syria to test weapons, does this mean that in the near future they will be involved in attacking the militants of terrorist groups?
    Not according to Western "partners", although the word terrorist goes soooooo them in the light of today ....


    they would really go reunite with their "brothers" ... in heaven ...

    in the sky, not in the sky
    1. lance
      lance 22 February 2018 21: 03
      0
      Interestingly, I thought that their Hades met, such freaks IN the sky there is not enough space.
  27. Chelovekprosto
    Chelovekprosto 22 February 2018 20: 46
    +1
    Nevertheless, it seems to me that this is primarily a fighter for gaining air supremacy and not a jihad mob hunter.
    1. dr.star75
      dr.star75 22 February 2018 21: 17
      0
      it is. for this it was created
  28. sabakina
    sabakina 22 February 2018 21: 22
    +2
    NEXUS,
    Andrey, armored vehicles will not appear. Not the same theater. But I think that the SU-57 is primarily for intimidation, and then, as it goes, it may get stuck in the throat, or it might spill Niagar ...
  29. Xscorpion
    Xscorpion 22 February 2018 21: 28
    +1
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    And still - I do not believe in it. Top secret car - into battle? What, landfills in Russia are over? I do not believe


    Syria is not a training ground? They will work out the interaction, perhaps bombard themselves a couple of times for real goals, and not for standard mock-ups at familiar training grounds, check the possibilities of detecting a real air adversary, which you will most likely have to deal with in the future, well, and maybe they will get on the nerves of the same air adversary, so as not to relaxed strongly. All the pros and cons will be taken into account later in mass production before it starts.
  30. maratk
    maratk 22 February 2018 21: 40
    0
    [/ quote] If the Su-57 really arrived in Syria to test weapons, does this mean that in the near future they will be involved in delivering attacks on militants of terrorist groups? [quote]

    Well, we must assume that they arrived not for beauty. And it is obvious that they will be involved in sorties !!!
  31. serg2.72
    serg2.72 23 February 2018 06: 53
    0
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    And still - I do not believe in it. Top secret car - into battle? What, landfills in Russia are over? I do not believe

    Today is a holiday, so they flew along with the A-50 and IL-78, fly in formation and home.
  32. myobius59
    myobius59 23 February 2018 11: 18
    0
    What was the prom night in the psychiatric hospital today?
    Or this site is not "Military Review", but "Patriotic-Fantastic-Idiotic Edition".
    At least that's what most of the comments here look like.
    Here the mattress covers are probably talking to the Jews, both over these planes, and over the commentators here.
    One smart Amer recently told you. “We don’t care what tanks, planes and other machine guns are in Russia. The main thing is that ALL Russian money is with us. And the Central Bank of Russia is also controlled by us. So let them play there and knock their fists on the chest and tear the braids. on this chest. If only they would not cry. Well, if they become too impudent, we will show them who is the boss in the house. "
    So calm down and go drink vodka. Today is a holiday. And stop COMPARING completely COMPLETE.
    It’s enough for Amers and Jews to move their little fingers, and all of our VKS from Syria will fly along the back streets of it, along with the SU-57.

    It's just that some tricky game is going on. Cats with a mouse.
    Who is the cat and who is the mouse, I think it’s clear.
  33. P0LYM
    P0LYM 23 February 2018 12: 11
    0
    The transfer of the Su-57 is, of course, very interesting, but the transfer of the A-50 is actually very similar to the "flown" for the coalition ...
  34. Zomanus
    Zomanus 23 February 2018 17: 25
    0
    And by the way, do these airplanes have a refueling system in the air?
    And again, if there is a danger, then you can always return planes to Russia.
    Well, yes, testing weapons and sighting systems when working on the ground.
    For many of our weapons "unparalleled" showed
    not the best side in Syria.
  35. Conserp
    Conserp 23 February 2018 18: 28
    0
    How heavily bombed by envious and haters from this news - a whole herd ran up!
    And for everyone there is already foam (and from both ends of the body).

    Just for the sake of this bombing, the Su-57 was worth sending to Syria.
    1. myobius59
      myobius59 23 February 2018 18: 41
      +2
      You are stupid, and there’s nothing to add to this.
      If your intelligence is at the level of a stool - what are you doing here? Whatever the comments of the local “experts” and “specialists”, they express some point of view, and whether it is correct or not, time will tell.
      And you only have snot and drool ... fool
      1. Conserp
        Conserp 23 February 2018 19: 36
        0
        Do not forget to buy ointment.
  36. flicker
    flicker 23 February 2018 18: 50
    +2
    In the "defense" report on the purpose of the transfer of Su-57 in Syria
    Yes, the goal is simple, put on .ope all these f-22, f-35, etc. etc.
  37. SETTGF
    SETTGF 24 February 2018 08: 55
    +1
    Dear! Su-57 pass tests in Syria of their radars for the real detection of objects with a small effective reflective surface in real conditions, such as aircraft of the 5th generation of the United States: F-22 and F-35. And of course, testing the entire Su-57 radio complex, as well as interacting with the A-50 flying radar to detect unobtrusive targets at long range and give target designations ... check the optoelectronic station to detect targets, including with a small effective reflective surface. ..
  38. uma4268
    uma4268 25 February 2018 18: 02
    0
    foreign "colleagues" are lining up with presents for militants (MANPADS), a painfully alluring target flew into Syria
  39. Konstantin Yu
    Konstantin Yu 26 February 2018 12: 57
    0
    I think the setting for the beast, both airborne and terrestrial, and for the pilots in the future, it will be easier to compare, and specialists to respond locally ...
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