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Residents of Tyumen congratulated with 23 February posters with NATO military equipment

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Residents of Tyumen on social networks discuss posters that have appeared in elevators high-rise buildings. The local advertising agency AMD MEDIA GROUP decided to congratulate the defenders of the Fatherland on the holiday 23 February, pasting on the walls of the elevators a very peculiar greeting materials. Their peculiarity is that on the collage you can see the military equipment of the USA and Germany.


In particular, we are talking about German tank Leopard-2 and the American Bell UH-1 helicopter.

Residents of Tyumen congratulated with 23 February posters with NATO military equipment

Photo Shoot: Aloud.ru


One of the Tyumen social network writes:
Congratulations in elevators already. Nicely. If it were not for the American helicopter and the German tank, it would be generally super.


To this, the user is answered that, apparently, congratulations should be interpreted as: “congratulations on trophy NATO military equipment”.

This is not the first such incident. Earlier, on posters for May 9 in different cities, "creative designers" managed to write congratulations against the background of the images of soldiers and military equipment of the Hitler army. This indicates the level of competence of modern specialists in the field of advertising and poster graphics. Or is anti-advertising advertising too? ..
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  1. Aroma77
    Aroma77 22 February 2018 14: 47
    +12
    Judging by the name of the advertising agency, it is possible that the provocation.
    1. Anarchist
      Anarchist 22 February 2018 14: 50
      +18
      The ignorance of our officials and their ilk is the "fifth column" and the scourge of the electorate supporting them!
      Every year the same garbage on the ninth of May and the twenty-third of February ...
      1. Firework
        Firework 22 February 2018 15: 02
        +6
        so what? in my opinion, those who drew a poster big pigs
        1. cniza
          cniza 22 February 2018 15: 13
          +9
          Quote: Anarchist
          The ignorance of our officials and their ilk is the "fifth column" and the scourge of the electorate supporting them!
          Every year the same garbage on the ninth of May and the twenty-third of February ...


          And it seems to me that this is a targeted provocation, using - buying our officials.
          1. bk316
            bk316 22 February 2018 15: 22
            +14
            But I think this is a targeted provocation

            Come on - just stupid.
            I can conduct an experiment. I have an advertising department. Now I’m going to order a postcard with BMP. I think they’ll do it with the tank, and most likely NATO, well, what’s better for the girls?
            1. cniza
              cniza 22 February 2018 16: 41
              +5
              Yes, I understand, but then you will control your girls, and why there was no control.
              1. SOF
                SOF 22 February 2018 17: 04
                +2
                ...Yeah...
                Okay, the limited contingent of lollipops from advertising, but ....... and those who glues this crap for elevators without brains and eyes?
                This is for everyone. us horde or a complete lack of understanding of the essence of the issue?
                ....though. The average Russian, who had no business with equipment in the army, can unambiguously identify, probably, only a Kalashnikov assault rifle, and a line of aircraft and armored vehicles from Gaijin da Wargaming.
                The rest, unfortunately, requires an interest, which is not enough for everyone.
                For example, there is a friend, Dersu-Uzala, natural. I’m ready to sleep with my arsenal and do not climb out of the taiga for weeks, but if he still understands Abrams’s nationality T72 and M1, BMP Marder and BMP 3 with Bakhchi will, I think, drive him into a dead end.
                Palladin and Acacia - moreover. B1 Lancer and Tu160 .... Etc. etc.
              2. vfwfr
                vfwfr 24 February 2018 21: 42
                +1
                Because "" bk316 "" fumbles a bit .. Most designers are women .. But women, as you know, are far from all “fumbling” in car brands .. and such a technique will not be distinguished at all, even if Bentley and Ferari will cost many times )))))))))) There are no marvels, there are illiterate ones .. and not the fact that the Director is there .. And the director, for example .. But the customer, though with a ksiva from the administration (for example), and his dad once dismissed him. . or just all do not care for everyone .. HERE and ALL ((
            2. Beby
              Beby 22 February 2018 19: 35
              +5
              Quote: bk316
              I think they’ll do it with the tank, and most likely NATO, well, what’s better for the girls?

              And who / what prevents professional (i.e. getting money for their work) designers to check what kind of pictures they took ???
              There are also free search services on the Internet for similar images: I cut out a tacna (helicopter, etc.) drawing - framed it there - went to the page where it was found - read: what exactly was found.
              And if designers do not know how to verify the images used, then it already smells prof. unsuitability, so it turns out, huh?
            3. Spez
              Spez 22 February 2018 23: 12
              +4
              after a kick in the ass and deprivation of salary, even the glamorous 3.14s begin to distinguish stars on wings from crosses, red from white in a blue circle.
              1. Tatar 174
                Tatar 174 23 February 2018 19: 55
                +1
                Quote: Spez
                after a kick in the ass and deprivation of salary, even the glamorous 3.14s begin to distinguish stars on wings from crosses, red from white in a blue circle.

                Unfortunately, there is no such law as to deprive salaries and such for such flights. It began already with the collapse of the USSR, and the number of Ivanes who do not remember kinship is growing in the country. And the current system of government is not interested in realistically correcting something, not in words. Most local officials think more about their own pockets, there is no quality education now, and there are educational services, the same can be said about culture. There are no real programs for the patriotic upbringing and upbringing of the young generation in real life, as long as all upbringing rests on the grandfathers and parents of the old Soviet school, they will not miss the enemy and enemy ideology, but they are less and less every day ... If nothing is changed, then it will be further and worse.
                1. Spez
                  Spez 23 February 2018 23: 39
                  +1
                  lack of competence allows you to justifiably kick off the job.
            4. Spez
              Spez 23 February 2018 23: 49
              +1
              You do not keep a brothel, by chance? And then the layout is obtained, twelve against four, and the euro against the ruble ...
        2. Archivist Vasya
          Archivist Vasya 22 February 2018 15: 27
          +3
          And they did the right thing by the way, because you don’t have to put the enemy’s technique on the collage - we have enough of our own to choose the pictures. Or rip off these posters and business then.
        3. Svarog51
          Svarog51 22 February 2018 17: 17
          +15
          so what?

          Yes! And what is in the presence of this technology at our borders?
          in my opinion, those who drew a poster big pigs

          And in my opinion they did not draw, but wrote a review of the art of an illiterate pig. am
          If there is no mind, then you can seek advice. And then even that wasn’t enough. negative
          1. 97110
            97110 22 February 2018 18: 26
            +2
            Quote: Svarog51
            And then even that wasn’t enough.

            Why think about girls and other boys who did this sophisticated dirty trick? He should appoint the last one in the administration of the settlement and dismiss him as one who has not done it — everyone in the region will have enough mind. Another thing is that we are out of habit (every year!) We will speak, the air will heat up from a concussion, this will be the whole positive result.
            1. Svarog51
              Svarog51 22 February 2018 18: 58
              +1
              Is Tyumen a settlement?
              Why think about girls and other boys who did this sophisticated dirty trick?
              Is the editor a boy too? Well, even if so - contact the experts what does not allow?
              the air heats up from a concussion, this will be the whole positive result.
              Then on postcards by May 9th the Tigers and Messerschmitts will be. It suits you?
              1. 97110
                97110 22 February 2018 19: 05
                +1
                Quote: Svarog51
                It suits you?

                Not satisfied. Why are you asking me this question? With your epaulettes, rely on the experience of long-term participation in the work of HE and initiate the most effective blow to disguised Russophobes. We, inspired by your example, will certainly fully support and answer all the questions that you asked me here back without reading my short comment.
                1. Svarog51
                  Svarog51 22 February 2018 19: 29
                  0
                  Nicholas, hi Sorry for the incontinence. With the upcoming Day of the Soviet Army. I didn’t mean to offend you. Once again, please forgive me.
                  1. 97110
                    97110 23 February 2018 10: 23
                    +1
                    Quote: Svarog51
                    Once again, please forgive me.

                    With pleasure. Wrote, but the thought of what is not right does not leave ... Forgive me too.
              2. SOF
                SOF 22 February 2018 19: 43
                +1
                Quote: Svarog51
                Is the editor a boy too?

                ... I believe that the editor is as far from the army as Russia is from the United States.
                The question is systemic. At pendosikov the same problems happen. About this, here, too, was a topic.
                It must be solved somehow differently, since not everyone is obliged to know what this or that means of annihilation of homo sapiens looks like, which, in the picture, are not marked with a red, white or yellow star in the body.
                ... somehow different ...
                It is unlikely that he (that) of the Chupa Chups, who this “creation” sculpted (la), knew about what he was doing. For them, both the T90 and the Leopard, in their not militarized brain, even quite possibly patriotic, mean one weighty word - танк. And that’s it.
                And further ranting on this topic is nothing more than a fight against windmills.
                Therefore .... it is necessary somehow differently ... And it is about this that we need to draw petitions ... to the State Duma. With the proposals of the bills.
                1. Svarog51
                  Svarog51 22 February 2018 19: 54
                  +2
                  Alexander hi Otherwise, the Constitution must be re-edited. Not the RIGHT to put in the first place, but DUTIES. And in the performance of duties - to receive rights. This is of course from the realm of fantasy in the modern world.
                  1. SOF
                    SOF 22 February 2018 20: 07
                    +1
                    Quote: Svarog51
                    Alexander hi Otherwise, the Constitution must be re-edited. Not the RIGHT to put in the first place, but DUTIES. And in the performance of duties - to receive rights. This is of course from the realm of fantasy in the modern world.

                    I agree. But, not the constitution, because, not everyone is required to know the iron, given the transition of the army to contractual rails.
                    The full responsibility, in this particular case, is the responsibility of those issuing. And this is the proposal of the bill.
                    1. Svarog51
                      Svarog51 22 February 2018 20: 30
                      +1
                      And this is the proposal of the bill.

                      I agree, only while they are busy with other things. Opinions are not interested in analytics.
          2. Kondratko
            Kondratko 22 February 2018 19: 51
            +3
            "Well, if there is no mind, then you can seek advice"
            A living example of the current holiday (February 23). At work I control the color printing process, bring a postcard to the Defender of the Fatherland Day, on the postcard there is a photograph of a modern German frigate of the Saxony type crossed with Soviet planes of the beginning of World War II.
            Picture number of times:

            Picture Number Two:

            Not only is the NATO ship, there is also a German plane in the picture. I tried to talk with the "girl", promised help in consulting with the choice of military equipment for thematic cards, not to look like a fool, a few days later they printed the same thing. Says "I don’t understand them" and she doesn’t care, in response, said that I would give her a cactus on March 8, since I also do not understand flowers. Last year, another “clever” put a picture of the German Tiger Pz.Kpfw on a May 9 greeting card for veterans. IV, fortunately, as a result of a brief excursion into the country, I managed to dissuade this, as a result, they put KV.
            It’s useless to explain, I’ve been looking at it through my fingers lately, it’s good that at least I don’t broadcast such a jamb fool on the box on the leading channels ...
            1. sharp-lad
              sharp-lad 23 February 2018 00: 24
              0
              So every day I become more and more lonely. It’s good that there are authors and commentators at VO who have not become infected with idio ... creativity.
            2. 97110
              97110 23 February 2018 10: 33
              +2
              Quote: KondratKo
              picture of the German Tiger Pz.Kpfw. IV

              Understand? With cacti you have more convincing ... T-4 in Soviet transcription is not a Tiger at all. Rearrange the wand and get the desired T-6.
            3. Spez
              Spez 23 February 2018 13: 51
              +3
              It’s useless to explain, lately I've been looking at it through my fingers

              Explaining is helpful. And if you don’t want to understand, then use the keyboard for manicure, to form stable professional skills, and give her a mop instead of a cactus, it’s better to sweep the floors than draw cards .. Otherwise, if you look at this bullshit through your fingers, then it is very fast crawls out on the leading channels.
      2. Pax tecum
        Pax tecum 22 February 2018 15: 03
        +10
        Punishment for such, however, should be. Yes, at least disciplinary. For prevention, so to speak. With full coverage in the same social networks. Maybe even so turn on the head to learn.

        Well, and the "local AMD MEDIA GROUP advertising agency" ... our contempt.
        With your idiot creator yourself figure it out.
        PS And, for the posters for May 9 - you could already really punish idiots.
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        2. seos
          seos 22 February 2018 18: 10
          0
          The usual almost free publicity campaign of an advertising agency, they don’t even have to pay for an advertising space, and taxes, too, because this poster is considered a stub like "advertising space for rent", and most likely the marketers of this agency started the hype ... and the dumb media picked up. ..
        3. KOMA
          KOMA 23 February 2018 15: 39
          0
          And, for posters for May 9 - it was already possible to punish idiots.

          At least with roses in the face to beat!
      3. Giant thought
        Giant thought 22 February 2018 15: 22
        +3
        All these are echoes of our education system reformed under the Western model.
        1. 97110
          97110 22 February 2018 18: 39
          +2
          Quote: Thought Giant
          All these are echoes of our

          socio-economic system - CAPITALISM! The owners of life, the cream of society, examples, to make life with anyone DO NOT NEED MEMORY OF THE PEOPLE! There was already a deputy of the State Duma on the march of the immortal regiment with a portrait of a citizen who did not participate in the Second World War! Let’s beat off a run over the lawlessness of American bourgeois on ours, myrdruzhazhvachka will come again, and they will trample the immortal regiment ...
      4. Saburov
        Saburov 22 February 2018 22: 33
        0
        Quote: Anarchist
        The ignorance of our officials and their ilk is the "fifth column" and the scourge of the electorate supporting them!
        Every year the same garbage on the ninth of May and the twenty-third of February ...


        And all because our government is this very fifth column ... and from and to. At all leading posts, matchmakers, brothers, aunts, uncles, sons, and daughters especially close to the "emperor".

        Someone with a clever head seemed to realize that the Russian sucker is not a European sucker. And nevertheless it bites liberal values ​​badly. But on the sovereign-patriotic - with all our pleasure! Especially since it’s more convenient to steal ...

        Sincerely.
    2. Black_Vatnik
      Black_Vatnik 22 February 2018 14: 51
      +13
      Rather banal unprofessionalism and total illiteracy.
      We instructed some dodik to come up with a poster. He, not choosing much, pumped up the military with a Yandex picture. Hence the result.
      1. Trevis
        Trevis 22 February 2018 14: 54
        +15
        Correctly written with a marker on top!
        1. Black_Vatnik
          Black_Vatnik 22 February 2018 14: 55
          +14
          It will be right when the author and publisher of these posters are lifted by the udder and shocked well.
          1. Hammerlock
            Hammerlock 22 February 2018 15: 17
            +2
            and Faberge will be circumcised, because it’s not worth it to multiply
        2. Incvizitor
          Incvizitor 22 February 2018 15: 34
          +1
          It was necessary to rip or cut.
          1. Svarog51
            Svarog51 22 February 2018 17: 21
            +2
            With a nail, weave this poster on the forehead of the “advertiser”, which will not hurt him. Wood. negative
      2. x.andvlad
        x.andvlad 22 February 2018 15: 19
        +7
        Yes, rather illiteracy and irresponsibility. BUT "creatives" involved in the creation of models of this kind, very often use the so-called. "clipart", or more simply, banks of beautiful and vivid pictures that they mount in these posters. Most often these people are not professionals in military affairs, but "contemplators" of all that is beautiful. And their bosses either remove themselves from control of the content of these posters, or they themselves are the same.
        So, I would like our military department to organize a publicly accessible bank of beautiful and effective military-themed images with Russian military equipment in high quality.
        And if you ask a search question in the same "Yandex" about beautiful pictures with tanks, then German tigers, leopards and other crap from computer games will necessarily appear in the first place.
        Our state is not finalizing in this regard.
        1. Kondratko
          Kondratko 22 February 2018 20: 09
          +1
          "So I would like our military department to organize a publicly accessible bank of beautiful and effective military-themed images with high-quality Russian military equipment."
          - Choke faster. What high-resolution pictures of Russian military equipment can be talked about (?) - on the official websites of the Moscow Region and the like, it’s impossible to download even a high-quality emblem of any kind of troops, not to mention their vector format. All hopes for enthusiastic patriots, which are extremely insulting in RuNet.
          Friends, with the upcoming all !!!
          drinks soldier drinks
          1. x.andvlad
            x.andvlad 22 February 2018 21: 53
            0
            I completely agree! Happy New Year too!
    3. Vend
      Vend 22 February 2018 14: 54
      +9
      Quote: Aroma77
      Judging by the name of the advertising agency, it is possible that the provocation.

      The internal enemy is more dangerous than the external.
    4. vovanpain
      vovanpain 22 February 2018 14: 55
      +8
      Earlier, on May 9 posters in different cities, "creative designers" managed to write congratulations on the background of the image of soldiers and military equipment of the Nazi army

      Why are you surprised what All these "creative" designers and managers, the generation of Pepsi, beer and Chupa Chups, children of the exam and I want a lot of money right away. They don’t care what to draw, if only they would drip into their pockets. yes
      1. Osya Bender
        Osya Bender 22 February 2018 18: 41
        +2
        I am from the Soviet era with 40 years of experience as a designer in the field of printing. I agree with you about the new generation of USE experts and with such specialists who have mastered computers and graphic programs well, I had to meet. What do you want? Watch our TV - our guys die heroes in hot spots. If such feats were accomplished, which is impossible, by the US military, then they would declare a national day of mourning and make films in Hollywood about these so-called "world savers" and what about us. The news reports, but in prime time that: disassembling bl ... who gave someone, genetic tests, hangover margins and sharing of inheritance between relatives of a deceased famous person. 2 years ago I talked with one future graduate of the school (USE) and going to the gold medal about Victory Day on May 9, and so, she told me that in 1945 we won ... Napoleon. These are the pictures.
    5. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 22 February 2018 14: 58
      +5
      Quote: Aroma77
      Judging by the name of the advertising agency, it is possible that the provocation.

      Do not look for treason where you worked designer girl ©. smile
      If at our place on Kalashnikov’s monument the explosion-scheme of the ancestor of the stormtrooper was stuffed ...
      1. seos
        seos 22 February 2018 18: 12
        +1
        I am sure that it was a boy and everything was originally planned to raise the popularity of an advertising agency
    6. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 22 February 2018 15: 20
      +5
      Quote: Aroma77
      Judging by the name of the advertising agency, it is possible that the provocation.

      I also think so, and public relations throughout the country, etc. ... And this is not the first time that various liberal agencies have been using it ..
      1. Svarog51
        Svarog51 22 February 2018 17: 24
        +6
        Vitaly, welcome hi
        And this is not the first time that various liberal agencies have been using it ..

        So I have the same thoughts. The first time there may be a mistake, but here the trend is already being traced.
        1. Vitaly Anisimov
          Vitaly Anisimov 22 February 2018 18: 10
          +1
          Quote: Svarog51
          Vitaly, welcome hi
          And this is not the first time that various liberal agencies have been using it ..

          So I have the same thoughts. The first time there may be a mistake, but here the trend is already being traced.

          Sergey PR definitely ... Greetings Brother! hi These "mistakes" periodically appear .. On the one hand, the "advertisement" of them, and on the other, it’s so painful to feel horror in my soul .. negative We are kind all the same in Russia! Essentially, undo this agency, etc. to hell .. Here scoff purely bastards .. angry
          Oh Russia, how much patience is in you ..
          1. Svarog51
            Svarog51 22 February 2018 19: 01
            +1
            We are kind all the same in Russia!

            I’m definitely not good, and you Vitaly aren’t experiencing any good feelings for them. I know that for sure. And I support.
    7. -ш-
      -ш- 22 February 2018 16: 32
      0
      in the Rambo 2 movie, the “damn Russians” had such a rotor with America’s beloved minigun and nurses, if memory serves
    8. Iline
      Iline 22 February 2018 17: 49
      +1
      Quote: Aroma77
      Judging by the name of the advertising agency, it is possible that the provocation.

      Well, don’t have to go to the agency. Most likely the guys did it with the best of intentions.
      But the performers of the army did not serve and have vague ideas about the samples of military equipment. And that’s why they’re surfing the Internet, looking for cliparts for Photoshop on the topic and without hesitation sculpt the first one that comes across. But among the clipart with military equipment, it is precisely foreign samples that prevail.
      I just sometimes work with Photoshop myself, and therefore I know this topic.
    9. aws4
      aws4 23 February 2018 00: 52
      +1
      there is no provocation ... I crossed paths with advertising agencies and had experience communicating with designers ... I used to sit and talk for hours .. so these are very interesting people .. what they are interested in and need for life they know very well it’s very deep, but what they don’t consider as a rule rubbish .. even some basic knowledge ... at one large agency I sat with two, one very young man of the second year 35 ... so we didn’t talk about work and it turned out they both did not know what mammals and carnivores ... really, at the expense of carnivores, the older one argued with me a little and tried to explain to me that carnivores are permissible monkeys ... in short, from the word fruits and eat .. I told him that he was flesh right there googled and admitted that he wasn’t right .. these are just such people who sculpt in our advertising agencies as a rule laughing
    10. forester
      forester 23 February 2018 12: 46
      0
      Quote: Aroma77
      Judging by the name of the advertising agency, it is possible that the provocation.

      Yes, drop it !!! It’s just the “fruits of creativity” of the USE generation.
  2. RUSS
    RUSS 22 February 2018 14: 48
    +4
    Their year to year similar mistakes.
    1. ul_vitalii
      ul_vitalii 22 February 2018 14: 54
      +8
      Googled, googled and googled. Let's see what on March 8 googled.
      1. User
        User 22 February 2018 15: 49
        +2
        You know, I have not seen posters of congratulations on March 8 with NATO equipment. laughing
        1. Svarog51
          Svarog51 22 February 2018 17: 32
          +2
          So after all, they can stick “blond beasties” from Hitler's brothels, it will become from them.
        2. seos
          seos 22 February 2018 18: 13
          +1
          In vain they tell them .... otherwise they will release a poster with the Blue ...
          1. Svarog51
            Svarog51 22 February 2018 19: 57
            0
            There will be no such indignation. Blue Pinks are not interested.
  3. CAT BAIYUN
    CAT BAIYUN 22 February 2018 14: 49
    +7
    This is not the first such incident.
    And, most likely, not the last.
    This "BJ" is not without reason.
    1. Yuri Y.
      Yuri Y. 22 February 2018 14: 52
      +2
      ))) Yes. Enviable regularity.
  4. Altona
    Altona 22 February 2018 14: 50
    +9
    Our designers like Western design, all kinds of teutonicity, Japaneseism, Germanism and Americanism. What is this talking about? The fact that our artists are secondary in their mass and cannot do anything, even find the right tank. Or do not want to or specially crap.
  5. 210ox
    210ox 22 February 2018 14: 50
    +6
    This is a tradition. Just ignorance of history and irresponsibility. Is there a customer for advertising? Go to court!
    1. kit88
      kit88 22 February 2018 14: 56
      +1
      It would be nice to go to court. But in my opinion there is no article on which to attract.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 22 February 2018 15: 15
        +1
        There is an article. Violation of the terms of the contract. Economic. It is just necessary to draw up the contract correctly.
        Quote: kit88
        It would be nice to go to court. But in my opinion there is no article on which to attract.
        1. kit88
          kit88 22 February 2018 16: 50
          +1
          Yes. But is it not time to blow dust off the Criminal Code of the RSFSR of 1922? There art. 58-10 is just written about them.
  6. komrad buh
    komrad buh 22 February 2018 14: 51
    +2
    Manufacturers and customers of advertising in Kolyma!
  7. kot28.ru
    kot28.ru 22 February 2018 14: 54
    +1
    Fabulous D ..... these modern creaks! hi
  8. Altona
    Altona 22 February 2018 14: 55
    +2
    Quote: Black_Jacket
    We instructed some Dodik to come up with crying, he did not choose to pump up the military with a picture from Yandex. Hence the result.

    ----------------------------
    He would have an enema with a caliber of a tank gun.
  9. sabakina
    sabakina 22 February 2018 14: 55
    +3
    This is not the first such incident. Earlier, on May 9 posters in different cities, "creative designers" managed to write congratulations on the background of the image of soldiers and military equipment of the Nazi army.
    As the unforgettable Ostap Ibrahimovic said: “It is necessary to kill such experts!”
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 22 February 2018 14: 59
      +6
      Quote: sabakina
      As the unforgettable Ostap Ibrahimovic said: “It is necessary to kill such experts!”

      Exile at the end of June 1941. Somewhere in Lviv or Vilnius. smile
  10. kafa
    kafa 22 February 2018 14: 58
    +7
    Designers with bosses at military training!
    Let them see with their noses and foreheads with their hands ....... Our technology!
    Only put on the sink! So that every protrusion of the armor, the riveting of the skin, know!
    1. Svarog51
      Svarog51 22 February 2018 19: 59
      0
      Andrei hi That's why I really want to say - BRAVO.
      Only put on the sink! So that every protrusion of the armor, the riveting of the skin, know!
      good
  11. Herculesic
    Herculesic 22 February 2018 14: 58
    +2
    Ege our everything? I argued that it will only get worse! fool Moreover, those who created these posters and probably did not serve in the army, fathers and mothers bought off children from the army!
  12. citlstar
    citlstar 22 February 2018 14: 58
    0
    To study the materiel of a likely adversary.
  13. Evgeny Strygin
    Evgeny Strygin 22 February 2018 15: 04
    +3
    impunity, thoughtlessness and futility. Three "Be" from which just sick.
  14. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 22 February 2018 15: 07
    0
    Just victims of the EG. And "creative technology." They pulled pictures from the Internet, but they are not able to understand what is drawn on them.
  15. vanavatny
    vanavatny 22 February 2018 15: 07
    +2
    finished ...
  16. NEOZ
    NEOZ 22 February 2018 15: 08
    +2
    The ignorance of our officials and their ilk is the "fifth column" and the scourge of the electorate supporting them!

    REMAIN !!!!!!! just set the task, the girl’s designer, to make a collage on the theme of February 23, and she did ...
    Well, she does not understand military equipment !!! and beautiful pictures are mainly NATO technology.
    ps
    there was a case, they took a logistician to work, but he is not friends with his head (acquired some kind of disease).
    2 weeks something sent unclear where ....
    and so, they took a logistician on a resume ....
    and you, the tank in the picture is not a cake .....
  17. Dormidont
    Dormidont 22 February 2018 15: 12
    0
    Our Middle Eastern partners are such inventors.
  18. Alexander War
    Alexander War 22 February 2018 15: 14
    +6
    And this is a small part! am Tap blooper and tie will do, the customer doesn’t care!
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 22 February 2018 18: 39
      +2
      Everyone does this on purpose ... Like the Professor, in 2013 he was a fan of uploading high-quality pictures of the NATO military on our website ... Here is the result! he he
  19. Waroc
    Waroc 22 February 2018 15: 15
    +3
    This is no longer ridiculous and impossible to explain with carelessness or ignorance (how many cases there were - everyone is already attentively and intently treating such materials, and it simply catches your eye instantly). this is frank sabotage, provocation and mockery - it is time to punish with money (big money) and prison for a particularly cynical meanness!
  20. Alex-a832
    Alex-a832 22 February 2018 15: 16
    +3
    If only knowledgeable people were consulted before sculpting pictures.
    This topic is more likely from the cycle that the initiative boob is worse than the deversant. They could act in an exceptionally good impulse ....
  21. LiSiCyn
    LiSiCyn 22 February 2018 15: 19
    +4
    Now, it scares .... The people stop thinking ... The Internet rules ...
    My opinion is that there are no people who have not read books in childhood, they should not be allowed ...
    1. Svarog51
      Svarog51 22 February 2018 19: 11
      0
      Stas, welcome hi These children did not hold a book in their hands, they have a smartphone. They even cross the road without letting go of their hands. On the Internet, they "live" occasionally sticking their nose into reality. They unlearn themselves from thinking, hoping to get all the answers on the Internet. So the result was not slow to affect. Only dumber longer, if we do not take measures.
  22. K-50
    K-50 22 February 2018 15: 19
    +3
    This is beneficial for someone. This in itself does not happen. angry
  23. Archivist Vasya
    Archivist Vasya 22 February 2018 15: 30
    0
    And who exactly was doing this in an advertising agency? Could watch in the evening, but to explain that he was wrong, very wrong ...
  24. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 22 February 2018 15: 31
    +3
    Ah, now there is no Propaganda and Agitation Department at the Central Committee of the CPSU! Now there is nobody to worry about visual agitation. In the old days, they sent out to the local committees of the CPSU sets of samples of ideally designed posters and images. There were thematic collections for various occasions and for holidays, and real artists transferred these images to paper, fabric, or to print layouts. All this was then checked many times, corrected if necessary, approved by the artistic council where not the last people sat. In the Army, it was even stricter. A visual campaign was sent from the Political Administrations of the districts. The quality of the political officers ... Now, all this and order and make the boys and girls. So much for the result. Do you know how they will become otmazyvatsya now? They will say that they have specially depicted the military equipment of the “supposed enemy”, so that everyone who drives in the elevator or burns buttons or even urinates knows who to defend from.
    1. Alexander War
      Alexander War 22 February 2018 15: 38
      +3
      Do you know how they will start to play their part now? They will say that they specially depicted the military equipment of the "alleged enemy" I do not agree, it would be possible to otmazatsya if the equipment burned or was knocked out, and already 1001 times designers and their superiors broke the bottom!
  25. pvv113
    pvv113 22 February 2018 15: 34
    +1
    On the collage you can see the military equipment of the USA and Germany.

    Maybe this technique was meant as trophies wink
  26. Alexander War
    Alexander War 22 February 2018 15: 35
    +1
    In general, such offices that make such posters should at least be brought in to foreign agents!
  27. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 22 February 2018 15: 37
    +1
    The irresponsibility and impunity of those who approve such posters here and conduct to such a result.
    And these two Bs are the basis of power. Which one is the conclusion?
  28. Essex62
    Essex62 22 February 2018 15: 41
    +1
    It’s time, oh time, comrades to lead the people to a “common denominator"! To clean, to admonish the lost, to systemically form. They were able, after all, not long ago. And they’ll take it “warm” ....... Those who remember how it should be gradually leave. They will die out - the end of Russia. Some managers will remain.
  29. Razvedka_Boem
    Razvedka_Boem 22 February 2018 15: 45
    +1
    Until there is ideology, this will continue. And the court will not do anything to them.
  30. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 22 February 2018 15: 57
    +3
    For Faberge it is necessary to hang up for such hack! What prevented the designer from looking for pictures for the collage, not just by the query “tank” or “helicopter”, but “Russian tank” and “Russian helicopter”? Still, the technique of the third Reich stuck.
    1. Svarog51
      Svarog51 22 February 2018 19: 14
      +1
      Zhora, welcome hi
      Still, the technique of the third Reich stuck.

      So already it was, and therefore outrage. Now here they began to sculpt NATO technology. They study how we know history and who will peck at it.
      1. Sands Careers General
        Sands Careers General 22 February 2018 20: 55
        +2
        Good day, Sergey hi

        Maybe so. But the resonance went not weak. Such "fails" happen almost every year and it is not clear whether this is due to the designer’s ignorance, provocation of the near-liberalists or public opinion check on this abomination.
        1. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 23 February 2018 01: 15
          +2
          Quote: General of the Sand Quarries
          or checking public opinion for this abomination.

          Yeah, testing on the topic "Do you know your sun?" wassat No, except for jokes, this time for two weeks before February 23, congratulatory posters began to appear in the city (St. Petersburg). And so, I caught myself on the fact that I was very intrusively and meticulously studying this very “visual agitation”, yeah. Well, what can I say ... Apparently, after the resonant cases of past years with wild shoals in congratulations, we decided to take the path of least resistance. Namely: basically there is only the phrase "Congratulations on the Defender of the Fatherland Day!" against the background of a tricolor (fortunately, the colors are not mixed up). And once I saw a poster with the most simplified (silhouettes) images of the Su-34 and T-90. Well, even so. True, Her Majesty Paranoia has already made her doubt. wassat And, to the heap, a couple of examples of how NOT TO DO:
  31. anjey
    anjey 22 February 2018 15: 58
    +1
    This indicates the level of competence of modern specialists in the field of advertising and poster graphics. Or is anti-advertising also an advertisement? ..
    Yes, apparently there is a problem, recently at school, on February 23, I was looking for a voluminous military model of our equipment, I hardly found the La 5 plane, and in the search interval they offered instead of the legendary T-34, a German tiger, quite solid from wooden modules, to my indignation Of course, the upbringing of our youth on the printing and toy front is lame, I won’t even see the Red Army soldiers now, there are a lot of scribes of history at the toy-information level, and in our country it has divorced into foreign grandees ....
  32. Prisoner
    Prisoner 22 February 2018 16: 04
    +2
    It’s time to fine for such flights! How long will this garbage go on ?! Either on Victory Day they’ll freeze garbage, then on Defender of the Fatherland Day. These parasites at their desks and teach, teach and teach as bequeathed the great Ilyich! They do not want to study at their desks, let them study on the bunk. Dogs already got!
  33. ASDik37
    ASDik37 22 February 2018 16: 11
    +4
    Here are some more examples of postcards that some managers are sending out to their clients:
    - this one was sent to me
    And here is a template for another postcard from the site where the previous one was taken from:

    In fairness, it is worth noting that on that site there are quite normal templates and
    it’s clear that the managers just took the template they liked from the site that offers this without going into details
    So these are not the machinations of the “fifth column” or provocateurs - this is one of the results of the work of our minobra and the lack of a correct ideology in the state.
    1. Svarog51
      Svarog51 22 February 2018 18: 50
      +4
      Well, how do you like the “Challenger”, “Abrams”, “Ticonderoga” and “Black Hawk” as a congratulation on the Day of the SOVIET ARMY? Ready to put up with the enemy?
  34. DPN
    DPN 22 February 2018 16: 12
    0
    Long live EG, officials traveled abroad and now they accept the NATO tanks as theirs, a question? Or maybe this is actually their technique, now dual and triple citizenship is no longer respected.
  35. shmelik45
    shmelik45 22 February 2018 16: 23
    +1
    Actually, it would be nice for such an excitement. Or just by face
    am All coming
  36. unignm
    unignm 22 February 2018 16: 36
    +2
    the same thing every year
  37. Angina
    Angina 22 February 2018 17: 17
    +3
    Judging by the comments, no one is familiar with the life of the advertising industry. Hence the typical perturbations.
    I will open the curtain. I won’t discover America if I say that the lion’s share of the industry’s workers has never served (whether they were women, didn’t call, they slanted - that's not the point). Otherwise, the reflex would be: fruit - an apple, a helicopter - a "crocodile", a weapon - Kalash.

    Well, if the designer served. Not bad when the designer is at least technically competent. In one of my works, I have the most important boss, as well as the mass of the intermediate ones — a woman. With all that it implies ... But this is not necessary, since all such excises are subject to mandatory coordination with the customer. This is in this case, representatives of the authorities. Whether it’s regional or urban is not important. You won’t think that comrades printed from your pocket leaflets? No, otherwise it would not be a business, but a committee of the poor. But in this case, a certain CTO-TO agreed on the layout. That's who the demand should be. But even there, as a rule, "a gun was only seen on TV."

    The second huge problem is the relationship between the Ministry of Defense and the media. Recently, many people with cameras began to take pictures of the military, but. Our eternal "but." The photographer (agency) wants money for the pictures, because everyone is trying to monetize us. At the same time, this agency may be federal, budget money, but the desire to “cut it easy” ... As a result, today in Yandex the lion's share of military equipment is not ours.
  38. Cadet
    Cadet 22 February 2018 17: 54
    +1
    Hmm, we were surprised that almost since the beginning of the 2000s such posters have been posted and only now they have paid attention. Ignorance is not among officials and not among the younger generation, such posters are hung out at offices and representative offices where people with big stars sit in advisers in the past. One of them at the weekend, carried the next crap on the local TV channel about the Bolsheviks, history, executions, etc.
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  40. Old26
    Old26 22 February 2018 19: 08
    +3
    Quote: Archivist Vasya
    And they did the right thing by the way, because you don’t have to put the enemy’s technique on the collage - we have enough of our own to choose the pictures. Or rip off these posters and business then.

    Maybe now it is, but about 5-7 years ago and earlier, it was rather difficult to make a poster or a card with a congratulation. He worked for almost 20 years in the printing industry. Photos of good quality on discs that were sold at 99,9% are Western technology. And it is clear that the girl, if she was engaged in such a poster, takes primarily a spectacular photo. Yes, now there are photos of Russian technology, but often such offices work on old materials. Why should they copy Russian equipment from an Internet when it is in demand 2-3 times a year. Use what was bought in advance.

    Here they said - to control ... It’s good if you or I understand the technology and can distinguish the Abrams from the T-90. And if some Korean tank and our T-55/62 ...

    Of course you can tear off a poster. True, there are "grannies." who also accuse you of vandarism. They say they hung others, congratulated you, and you ..... You can’t prove to them that this is not our tank, but Leopard. There are no "crosses" on it ....

    Unpleasant situation, but honestly I do not see a way out, how to make this not happen

    Quote: Black_Jacket
    It will be right when the author and publisher of these posters are lifted by the udder and shocked well.

    Who! Now, the conditional situation ... You come to this agency and begin to "raise the udder and shake" the author and publisher. How would this happen? Yes, in 99 cases at the level of swearing, such as "what did you draw a bastard." While you shake them, one of these creatives calls our native police (police) and you, as the instigator of the scandal, as an individual who interferes with working people, are taken to the office (department). So "shake the udder" is unlikely to succeed

    Quote: x.andvlad
    Yes, rather illiteracy and irresponsibility. BUT "creatives" involved in the creation of models of this kind, very often use the so-called. "clipart", or more simply, banks of beautiful and vivid pictures that they mount in these posters.

    Absolutely right. At arm's length, I have a rack with discs. there are about a dozen such "clipart" there. Very high quality photos. Even nature plots are almost 100% theirs, not ours. Well, I was lucky with regard to nature, my wife's friend was engaged in mountaineering and brought a drive with views from each trip. Such that even Switzerland was not nearby. Military friends threw something from the pictures. albeit not highly professional and high-quality, but nonetheless. And many of my former colleagues "on the shop floor" did not have such options. And well, when colleagues asked either to copy such disks, or to dump pictures to them. But in most cases they use what is at hand

    Quote: x.andvlad
    Most often these people are not professionals in military affairs, but "contemplators" of all that is beautiful. And their bosses either remove themselves from control of the content of these posters, or they themselves are the same. .

    And this happened. Appointed the kid as the head of the department. Made a poster (postcard). From the "Clapp". I told him what he was wrong about. But ambition ... With my image and mine went to the director. That certainly liked him, high quality. It’s good that there was an opportunity to “push” and not allow this congratulation to be replicated for the regions of the region and the neighboring regions. Otherwise there would be embarrassment, at least

    Quote: x.andvlad
    So I would like our military department to organize a publicly accessible bank of beautiful and spectacular military-themed images with high-quality Russian military equipment ..

    Now he has moved away from printing, but there seems to be no such bank. There are some photos online, but that’s not it.

    Quote: vovanpain
    Earlier, on May 9 posters in different cities, "creative designers" managed to write congratulations on the background of the image of soldiers and military equipment of the Nazi army

    Why are you surprised what All these "creative" designers and managers, the generation of Pepsi, beer and Chupa Chups, children of the exam and I want a lot of money right away. They don’t care what to draw, if only they would drip into their pockets. yes

    It’s not even that the generation of Pepsi, Chups, children of the Unified State Examination and other things. And it’s not just a matter of dripping into your pocket. Any work must be paid. The question is different.
    My daughter is absolutely not versed in military equipment. It is good that she has a specialty languages. And the girlfriend is an artist. And I can’t be sure that her friend will not allow such a blunder. And the point is not that the generation of Pepsi, the Unified State Examination and so on, and she has one dream, to drip in her pocket .. She’s just not a specialist in this field of knowledge. And the boss (boss) is also not a specialist. The only way to solve this problem is if the native MO released a series of such discs. Including and with videos of domestic technology. But alas, I have not seen this before

    Quote: Altona
    Our designers like Western design, all kinds of teutonicity, Japaneseism, Germanism and Americanism. What is this talking about? The fact that our artists are secondary in their mass and cannot do anything, even find the right tank. Or do not want to or specially crap.

    Yes, nh.rena it's not about what you like, but what not. Our equipment, high-quality photos are often not. So they sculpt what is better. Especially if there are no signs on board. I haven’t met anyone who would specially paint German crosses on tanks in Photoshop. But sometimes they put on a spectacular shot without thinking, and sometimes without knowing that this is an enemy tank

    Quote: 210ox
    There is an article. Violation of the terms of the contract. Economic. It is just necessary to draw up the contract correctly.
    Quote: kit88
    It would be nice to go to court. But in my opinion there is no article on which to attract.

    It would be interesting to see how you would make such an agreement. enumeration of samples of enemy equipment as a ban? The contract between the printing (design) company is most often standard. In which one of the parties undertakes to make this or that poster by this or that time. And under the terms of the contract, the customer must be presented with an original layout of the same poster. If something does not satisfy him, he can present his comments in the process of work and they will be implemented. At the end of the work, he, together with the head, signs an act of completion.
    And what, then, with this act, where is his signature, will he go to court to punish the company that placed the Leopard on the poster? He in the same court will quickly be sent to a known address. Is his signature on the act? Goodbye
    1. Kondratko
      Kondratko 22 February 2018 20: 35
      0
      Well and extensively described the essence of the problem. I completely agree on all points!
      Greetings, colleague, although the former!
      hi
    2. KOMA
      KOMA 23 February 2018 15: 53
      0
      I did not find a photo, open the Illustrator and draw, do not know how- fuck quit go go and sort out the potatoes at the vegetable store. Picked up homegrown designers.
  41. Old26
    Old26 22 February 2018 19: 10
    +2
    Quote: kit88
    Yes. But is it not time to blow dust off the Criminal Code of the RSFSR of 1922? There art. 58-10 is just written about them.

    So in this article there were so many points that there is no guarantee that you yourself will not fall under it inadvertently. Having said something unpleasant in relation to power. Agree to go on stage for a randomly dropped phrase ???

    Quote: NEOZ
    The ignorance of our officials and their ilk is the "fifth column" and the scourge of the electorate supporting them!

    REMAIN !!!!!!! just set the task, the girl’s designer, to make a collage on the theme of February 23, and she did ...
    Well, she does not understand military equipment !!! and beautiful pictures are mainly NATO technology.
    ps
    there was a case, they took a logistician to work, but he is not friends with his head (acquired some kind of disease).
    2 weeks something sent unclear where ....
    and so, they took a logistician on a resume ....
    and you, the tank in the picture is not a cake .....

    good
    Yeah. And let us make a collage by March 8, taking such pictures as a basis, they can also bring down a whole mountain of damnations on us, such as what kind of a douche blonde (brunette) drew such a lipstick ....

    Quote: Alexander War
    And this is a small part! am Tap blooper and tie will do, the customer doesn’t care!

    Exactly. The most obvious example. Since the same MI-28 or KA-50 (in extreme cases, MI-24) is not in that capacity. But there’s an Apache. And a girl or some nerd puts a high-quality photo (otherwise, for a poor-quality performance ... they will "let him through the system" (not to say rudely) ...

    Quote: Sands Career General
    For Faberge it is necessary to hang up for such hack! What prevented the designer from looking for pictures for the collage, not just by the query “tank” or “helicopter”, but “Russian tank” and “Russian helicopter”? Still, the technique of the third Reich stuck.

    Have you tried it yourself? I just now, after reading your post, took and scored a Russian helicopter in Yandex. Photos (images). The first address gave 99 photos, of which only FOURTEEN was our helicopters. And one or two were with the identification marks of the "Polish Army". Everything else - Apaches, Black Hawkey and more. And great photos, spectacular. But often these spectacular photographs, alas, are not ours. Almost anywhere there are no signs of nationality. There are two photographs called “from the face”. One is MI-28, the other is Apache. And from the design point of view, "Apache" is more spectacular. well, I can determine that this is not a Russian helicopter. And the others? Do not look for "Betrayal" where it is not. The thing is that these people from the design bureaus do not have the opportunity to know what is ours and what is not. And our Ministry of Defense didn’t listen to release such “cliparts” with our diazine equipment ...

    Quote: Captive
    It’s time to fine for such flights! How long will this garbage go on ?! Either on Victory Day they’ll freeze garbage, then on Defender of the Fatherland Day. These parasites at their desks and teach, teach and teach as bequeathed the great Ilyich! They do not want to study at their desks, let them study on the bunk. Dogs already got!

    Based on what? What article? And most importantly, whom? The one who made or the one who ordered this poster?
    What kind of designer girl would you send for the desk to study the silhouettes of Russian and Soviet military equipment? And at the same time the techniques of the probable or former adversary? And on her bunk, the performer for what? And the same customer? When our Ministry of Defense does not groan and calve in order to publish books, magazines, the same “cliparts” (discs) with the image of Russian equipment, which is to blame for the artist.
    And then about 15 years ago I went to the store, and there is the "Encyclopedia of Russian Artillery." The price is about 1/3 of my monthly salary .... What, the Ministry of Defense can not produce such a huge circulation? So the author (EMNIP it was Shirokorad) then you have to pay fees. And this oh how I do not want to. A disc with Western equipment can be bought at the same store for 25 rubles

    Yes, it’s unpleasant to see not our, but their equipment on such posters, but this is not a reason to send people to the bunk ...

    Quote: Alex-a832
    If only knowledgeable people were consulted before sculpting pictures.
    This topic is more likely from the cycle that the initiative boob is worse than the deversant. They could act in an exceptionally good impulse ....

    Good idea, but who? You work in such a printing company, a customer comes to you, you pick him a photo. Most often, a day or two is given to complete such an order. Who will you contact in, for example, a half-million city? Will you go to the military unit? I’m afraid that you will either be kicked or told. that everything is fine. To the museum? Where often 90% of women work? Of course you can go to the large-scale modeling circle in the Palace of Children's Creativity, but for this you need
    1. Know. what is such a circle
    2. There must be time. In addition to this simple poster, the designer often does a couple of other works, possibly not related to this topic, but, for example, to architecture

    Quote: AnGiNa
    Judging by the comments, no one is familiar with the life of the advertising industry. Hence the typical perturbations.
    I will open the curtain. I won’t discover America if I say that the lion’s share of the industry’s workers has never served (whether they were women, didn’t call, they slanted - that's not the point). Otherwise, the reflex would be: fruit - an apple, a helicopter - a "crocodile", a weapon - Kalash.

    Well, if the designer served. Not bad when the designer is at least technically competent. In one of my works, I have the most important boss, as well as a lot of intermediate ones - a woman. With all that it implies ... But this is not necessary, since all such excises are subject to mandatory coordination with the customer. This is in this case, representatives of the authorities. Whether it’s regional or urban is not important. You will not think that comrades from your pocket printed leaflets? No, otherwise it would not be a business, but a committee of the poor. But in this case, a certain CTO-TO agreed on the layout. That's who the demand should be. But even there, as a rule, "a gun was only seen on TV."

    The second huge problem is the relationship between the Ministry of Defense and the media. Recently, many people with cameras began to take pictures of the military, but. Our eternal "but." The photographer (agency) wants money for the pictures, because everyone is trying to monetize us. At the same time, this agency may be federal, budget money, but the desire to “cut it easy” ... As a result, today in Yandex the lion's share of military equipment is not ours.

    Bravo. I agree 100%
  42. wasjasibirjac
    wasjasibirjac 22 February 2018 19: 44
    0
    Congratulations in elevators already. Nicely. If it were not for the American helicopter and the German tank, it would be generally super.
    maybe the goals showed?
  43. gromoboj
    gromoboj 22 February 2018 22: 15
    0
    That's right, the population should know what the equipment looks like that will soon be destroyed.
  44. bear
    bear 23 February 2018 00: 06
    +2
    No matter ignorance or provocation. I am sure of one thing, it is time to ask for such things and present.
  45. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 23 February 2018 00: 31
    +1
    All with the Defender of the Fatherland Day!
    I wanted to congratulate a friend, I came across a similar masterpiece.
    If anything, look in the upper right corner.
    1. XXXIII
      XXXIII 23 February 2018 00: 46
      +2
      Quote: Sands Career General
      All with the Defender of the Fatherland Day!
      I wanted to congratulate a friend, I came across a similar masterpiece.
      If anything, look in the upper right corner.

      The schoolboy worked in Photoshop, he wanted the best, probably .... laughing
  46. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur 23 February 2018 04: 51
    0
    For such art you need to send to places not so distant let them release campaign leaflets "To freedom with a clear conscience"
  47. TOR2
    TOR2 23 February 2018 16: 19
    0
    This indicates the level of competence of modern specialists in the field of advertising and poster graphics.
    More precisely, not specialists, but specialists. After a similar scandal on May 9, one of the schools conducted a survey of boys who were asked to select pictures only with our military equipment and weapons. The boys were pleasantly surprised - not a single mistake. When asked how they know this, most answered from games. There it all goes and shoots.
    But the specialists who created this masterpiece need to present a postcard with transvestites on March 8. Maybe it’ll reach chicken brains then. am
  48. Zomanus
    Zomanus 23 February 2018 16: 55
    0
    Well, what, the fruits of education make themselves felt.
    After all, it is painted by those whom history was taught from liberal 90 textbooks.
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  50. 1536
    1536 23 February 2018 19: 27
    0
    Helpful drak is more dangerous than the enemy!