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GM does not play in the giveaway

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Moscow’s decision to send the latest combat aircraft to Syria completely refutes speculation about the alleged prejudicial motivations of the current Russian policy in the Middle East


GM does not play in the giveaway


"Morning Post" brought a sensational news from Syria. “Russia has deployed fifth-generation Su-57 fighters at its Syrian airbase, Khaimim!” The message was confirmed by sources in the Russian defense ministry, accompanied by a video landing of two aircraft that, in their external outlines, fully comply with this fighter model.

In addition, it is noted that at the same time aviation the Russian Air Force group at the same base was strengthened by four more Su-35 fighters, four Su-25 attack aircraft and, most importantly, an A-50U long-range radar detection aircraft, which had recently been withdrawn from Syria.

This news will undoubtedly give all sorts of Internet interpreters a chic excuse to once again fool about “Putin's inconsistency,” which then announces the victorious conclusion of the war in Syria, then it is again building up its military grouping.

But if you sweep aside this baby talk, designed to embarrass weak brains on the eve of the presidential election, and try to assess the situation in an adult way, then the following is obvious:

First: If this message is true, then, in my opinion, it fully fits into the logic of the development of the operational military-political situation in Syria and in the whole in the Middle East.

Second: Such a responsible decision - to send the latest, secret aircraft, which barely passed the main stage of state tests, to the combat area, could only be taken at the highest level. That is, directly by the President of Russia.

Third: This decision of Vladimir Putin certainly carries with it certain elements of risk that are natural for any military situation - the newest planes can be attacked, if not in the air, then on the ground. The same base Hamim was recently attacked by the militants.

Fourth: Given the degree of real risk, it is quite obvious that this decision was made without any consideration of the current political conjuncture associated with the upcoming presidential elections in the Russian Federation. Since the consideration of such considerations would completely exclude such a decision in principle. Say - why risk at such a crucial moment?

Fifth: This in turn means that the motivation for such a decision is associated with a completely different, much more solid military-political logic and long-term goals of Russia as a state. In a sense, this is the most vivid and convincing illustration of a well-known truth, which says: “The politician is thinking about the next elections, the statesman is about the next generations”.

Sixth: Putin was absolutely right when he recently announced the victorious conclusion of the military campaign against ISIS. This group is really completely crushed, to the extent that there have been reports that the Americans urgently retrain the surviving "bad terrorists" into "good" to replenish the now healthy opponents of the legitimate authorities of Syria.

Seventh: The recent decision of the President of the Russian Federation on the partial withdrawal of the Russian military contingent from Syria was misinterpreted by many as inside the country. and in the West - as a purely pre-election PR move. In fact, it was rather a clear signal to the “American partners” that Russia is ready to curtail the military phase of the Syrian confrontation and sees the future in a mutually acceptable political dialogue, both at the local and geopolitical levels.

Eighth: This Putin signal in Washington was not heard. Instead of shifting the focus to a peaceful settlement of the situation in Syria, the Americans first engaged in sabotage Russian dialogue initiatives, in particular, in the form of complete disregard for the Syrian Constitutional Forum in Sochi. And then they completely switched to the direct seizure and consolidation of whole regions of Syria under the wholly fictitious pretext of helping "freedom-loving Kurds in their fight against terrorism."

Ninth: The dangerous evolution of American politics in Syria was directly stated a month ago - during the press conference of Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov in New York:

“The fact that the United States is seriously engaged in the formation of alternative authorities in a large part of Syrian territory is a fact. And this, of course, is absolutely contrary to their own obligations, under which they have repeatedly signed. Including in the UN Security Council - on the commitment to the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Syria. It bothers us. I have repeatedly discussed this with Rex Tillerson. Inconsistency and the absence of a principled commitment to what we agree on is quite characteristic of American diplomacy. Including in regard to the reasons for the stay of Americans in Syria and the reasons for the actions of the coalition, which they head. Rex Tillerson repeatedly told me that the only reason (their stay there - ed.), The only goal is to defeat ISIS. Now they have much more far-reaching plans. We still have to reckon with this. And look for ways that will not allow to undermine the sovereignty of the Syrian state "


Ninth: The warning of the Russian Foreign Minister was made in almost direct text and in absolutely definite terms. Washington made it clear that Russia in Syria does not intend to retreat, that the United States should not make wrong conclusions from the peace-loving position of Vladimir Putin and that, finally, we should begin to seriously negotiate. But as they say - “Ostap suffered!”. Over the past month, the United States not only did not slow down in Syria, but also completely crossed the "red line", delivering a devastating blow of all kinds weapons on the Syrian formations and the Russian fighters from the composition of PMCs.

Tenth: As a result of these actions of the United States and their mercenaries in Syria, the Russian attempt to "freeze" military operations in this country, unfortunately, was foiled. And the response actions promised by Sergey Lavrov back in January have to be taken already on the military-strategic "track." Within the framework of which, undoubtedly, the operation of the Syrian army to free the capital of the country - Damascus from an old splinter - pro-American “good terrorists” entrenched in one of its suburbs should be considered. As well as the arrival in this country of additional combat aircraft of the Russian aerospace forces.

What event, in itself, has several semantic meanings. First of all, this is an obvious physical enhancement of the Russian strike component in Syria, which is quite natural given the fact of the new intensification of hostilities. In addition, this is an important psychological deterrent for the same Americans, who, after their exemplary meanness under Deir ez-Zor, probably felt a taste for such "feats" and may try to repeat them. The appearance in Syria of completely unknown to them and therefore unpredictable Su-57 can cool some too hot Pentagon heads. Especially in combination with the DRLO aircraft, which is clearly not designed to neutralize the primitive military capabilities of the local "dushmans".

And, needless to say, the newest Su-57 also doesn’t need to be too "linger in girls". And in this sense, the stage of its verification in the real case looks absolutely logical and timely against the background of the completion of the main phase of state tests and the upcoming deliveries of the first lots of this aircraft to the troops. And Putin’s strategic course to test any military equipment under conditions of a real battle, so that the army gets a really effective weapon, and not a “cat in a bag,” is welcome.

These, in brief, are the main conclusions drawn from the reports of the arrival of the newest Russian combat aircraft in Syria.
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  1. SRC P-15
    SRC P-15 22 February 2018 14: 46
    +25
    “The appearance in Syria of completely unknown and therefore unpredictable Su-57s can cool some Pentagon heads that are too hot. Especially in combination with an AWACS aircraft, which is clearly not intended to neutralize the primitive military capabilities of local“ dushmans. ”
    That I in my commentary on the previous article on this subject also assumed! And that is why the flight of new aircraft was made completely open, namely: in the daytime! If it were necessary to hide this operation, then it would be carried out at night.
    1. yehat
      yehat 22 February 2018 16: 38
      +13
      impossible to hide - the base is too tight under observation.
      even at night, even during the day. I won’t be surprised if the Americans track the movement of equipment based on the per second
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 22 February 2018 18: 05
        +11
        Quote: yehat
        impossible to hide - the base is too tight under observation.
        even at night, even during the day. I won’t be surprised if the Americans track the movement of equipment based on the per second

        They track in the same way as in the Crimea, when there appeared "green men"? lol
        1. dSK
          dSK 22 February 2018 20: 40
          +3
          Russian President Владимир Путин by his decree appropriated today general ranks at once 65 officers. At the same time, representatives of several Russian security services and departments were immediately awarded an increase in rank. Most general epaulettes fell on the share of regular armed forces subordinate to the Ministry of Defense and the Russian Guard. Through the defense department, the general ranks were awarded to 23 officers. Through the line of the Federal Service of the National Guard Troops - 22. In the Ministry of Internal Affairs, 9 people received general epaulettes. Among the rescuers of the Ministry of Emergencies - 5. The FSIN and the Customs Service each had 3 new general ranks. The rest of the newly-made generals work in the FSB and SVR. Their rewarding was made according to a special closed list.
          1. Ace Tambourine
            Ace Tambourine 23 February 2018 12: 52
            +18
            Your division ...
            Now you need to find another 32,5 men to feed such a horde ...
            1. kenig1
              kenig1 23 February 2018 22: 59
              +4
              General epaulettes in the army just do not give. 0,5 man apparently relate to you.
              1. Ace Tambourine
                Ace Tambourine 24 February 2018 11: 44
                +10
                Saltykov-Shchedrin to help you ......
                And as for just agree ...
                It's all about magic envelopes ...
          2. Alone
            Alone 23 February 2018 13: 18
            +2
            "Russian President Vladimir Putin today issued a decree appropriating the general ranks to 65 officers at once."
            We have few generals ...
            1. Valery Saitov
              Valery Saitov 27 February 2018 06: 52
              0
              It’s better to give it and they will try, but it’s always possible to take it off. As it was, Catherine reached the Pacific Ocean — a rank, found a piece of land — a title for Russia, returned alive — a title. And that’s both money and honor and awards.
              1. Alone
                Alone 6 March 2018 10: 15
                0
                Quote: Valery Saitov
                It is better to give and they will try, but you can always remove.

                Do you know a lot about the cases of shooting stars of generals? My father-in-law was a big "army chief", I know by hearsay about their kitchen.
        2. olegfbi
          olegfbi 22 February 2018 21: 30
          0
          They track in the same way as in the Crimea, when there appeared "green men"?

          The issue is exclusively time, no more.
        3. yehat
          yehat 24 February 2018 21: 52
          +2
          did not understand what are the similarities of situations? They compared a static object and people.
          the perimeter of the base is leaky - a recent mortar attack showed this.
          the base itself is located in an open place, given the atmosphere, you can perfectly observe it from a distance of 5-8 km, without using any cool equipment + images from orbit - at least look in google.
    2. olegfbi
      olegfbi 22 February 2018 20: 58
      +10
      the flight of new aircraft was made completely open, namely: in the daytime!

      Actually, taking into account the modern capabilities of electronic intelligence, the time of day is not decisive.
      This news sees something different. If we take into account the simultaneous presence of 2 A-50s on a theater, we can conclude that continuous electronic monitoring over the entire Middle East is ensured (taking into account the shift of airborne \ crew duty on air). At the same time, the presence on the theater of operations of a substantial fighter cover (Su-35S) and a serious component of the layered air defense of Russia and Syria, working uniquely in conjunction, we can assume about forthcoming actions to seriously admonish sworn "partners".
      With all this, additional sides of the Su-25 ...
      As for the Su-57 (T-50), no one has canceled the pilot combat operation and they quite fit into the joint work with the Su-35S
      Exclusively IMHO.
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 23 February 2018 09: 40
        0
        it will be big if the Persians in Balochistan conduct "teachings" + in Persian s + Syrians in Idlib
        and the funny thing is - is it possible to drive another 2-3 pont of the bridge secretly from partners to Efrat? - so that the reaction is late and only the aircraft could disrupt the crossing.
    3. Kent0001
      Kent0001 22 February 2018 21: 01
      +8
      Right now, partners will copy his radio profile, which is not gut, and feel it with radars. We have no one to surprise there, so it looks somehow strange. Ponte we have nothing to pound, but if something in revenge for the Wagnerites could Caliber barmaley and their patrons with the pitch mix.
      1. kenig1
        kenig1 23 February 2018 23: 01
        0
        Their F-22s fly there.
    4. siberalt
      siberalt 23 February 2018 11: 26
      +3
      It would be good to select the main ones from the ten proposed points - the first, second and compote. lol
      1. dSK
        dSK 23 February 2018 20: 24
        +2
        Quote: siberalt
        and compote
        How many Russian armies were there in history. For the first time, the Russian armed forces, as a state instrument, were noted in the international arena 18 June 860 of the year. Then the fleet of Russians for 200, which is why historians estimate the number of troops on them at 8-10 thousand people, approached the capital of the largest empire of that time - Romeyskaya (nicknamed by Western historians Byzantium) - to Constantinople (for the Slavs - Constantinople) The first state army of Russia, which, in fact, brought Constantinople to its knees, taking a huge indemnity from the Romans, even by today's concepts. Then the first Russian army fought in the Crimea, in the Caucasus, more than once went to the Romans. The Equal-to-the-Apostles Prince Vladimir, who was at its head, took Khersones, which led to the baptism of Russia. This army pushed the borders of Russia from the Western Bug to the Volga and from the lower reaches of the Dnieper to the Northern Dvina. (An article on the TV channel Tsargrad 10:10., 23.02.18/XNUMX/XNUMX)
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 24 February 2018 09: 13
          +1
          Quote: dsk
          How many Russian armies were there in history. For the first time, the Russian armed forces were marked as a state instrument on the international scene on June 18, 860.

          No state can exist without an army; the birth of the Russian army must be correlated with the birth of the Russian state.
        2. ver_
          ver_ 26 February 2018 05: 50
          0
          ... after all, Constantinople is the brainchild of Dmitry Donskoy = Constantine the Great .. (Old Testament) .. Here is the current Jesus Christ = Prince Andrei Bogolyubsky was born in 1152 and was crucified on the Bosphorus in 1185 ..
  2. Curious
    Curious 22 February 2018 14: 54
    +13
    "But if you sweep aside this baby talk, designed to embarrass weak brains on the eve of the presidential election, and try to assess the situation in an adult way,"
    So where are the promised adults then?
    1. kirgiz58
      kirgiz58 22 February 2018 17: 51
      +20
      Quote: Curious
      So where are the promised adults then?

      Well, since you ask such a question, it is not you. laughing
  3. Paul zewike
    Paul zewike 22 February 2018 15: 06
    +4
    An amazing but interesting solution.
  4. Barkun
    Barkun 22 February 2018 15: 10
    +1
    Interesting girls are dancing :). We will see, of course.
    And how many of them actually? Are these two pre-production ones running?
    1. dauria
      dauria 22 February 2018 16: 34
      +17
      Are these two pre-production ones running?


      Run-in and could do at home. And much more serious and complete. There is something else. The calculation of advertising? (A controversial thing, only India was needed so far), And the combat value of the two cars is doubtful - what kind of unique tasks are they to set, what others cannot do. An AWACS aircraft is needed without question, and experience on specific enemy aircraft.
      Maybe here they try to evaluate the work of the Su-57 radar for "invisibility"?
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 22 February 2018 18: 27
        +28
        Quote: dauria
        There is something else. The calculation of advertising? (Controversial thing, only India so far needed)

        I do not think this is an advertising move. A serious reinforcement of the videoconferencing component in Syria can only say that the games with the coalition are over. As for the SU-57, if this fact about the transfer of the SU-57 takes place, then there are two explanations ...
        First: the Kremlin is accelerating the adoption of the SU-57, while rolling it in Syria, immediately, cleaner than any simple military tests, the equipment will show most of its sores faster and vice versa. This also applies to the new arsenal for the SU-57.
        Second: This is already an adult game, as the fighter component for gaining dominance in the air is amplified. That is, this is a hint not only to mattresses and coalitions, but also to Israelis and Turks.
        And during the war, the equipment was adopted much faster, the shortcomings were eliminated faster and the military more quickly understood how best to use the new equipment in specific cases.
        1. dSK
          dSK 23 February 2018 18: 25
          +3
          the equipment was adopted much faster, the shortcomings were eliminated faster and the military understood faster

          at the same time, the airborne group of the Russian aerospace forces at the same base was strengthened yet four Su-35 fighters, four Su-25 attack aircraft
          New pilots will pass at least a month of "production" practice, then they will probably be replaced by others.
          Sergei Lavrov: We still have to reckon with this. And look for ways that will not allow to undermine the sovereignty of the Syrian state ”
      2. businessv
        businessv 22 February 2018 18: 46
        +5
        Quote: dauria
        And the combat value of the two cars is doubtful - what is there for them to set unique tasks, what others can’t do.

        Something value, although it is doubtful from your point of view, already exists! The raptors don't fly! India needs technology and its own production.
        1. Barkun
          Barkun 22 February 2018 19: 58
          +2
          Raptors fly, bastards. Fly for a long time. Another question is that in room conditions.
          1. Vlad.by
            Vlad.by 24 February 2018 01: 06
            +8
            The raptors stop flying in Syria. And surprisingly synchronously, with the arrival of the Su-57. This is exactly what this is about. They are afraid to push the “coolest” aircraft of our time with the Russian one. The dark horse. Well, how will embarrassment happen? Then no one will need the F-35 for nothing. Loot steers. And besides the dough, striped interests have no.
      3. Sirocco
        Sirocco 23 February 2018 06: 19
        +4
        Quote: dauria
        , And the combat value of two cars is doubtful

        Remembering the beginning of the company in Syria, our sworn partners also shouted that a dozen aircraft would do there, but they did, they showed them how to work. So do not underestimate these two cars, and what is the whole thing behind all that is happening in Syria today. This is a military secret, none of us is in the General Staff, and does not receive information from there, so guessing remains. Let's see which answer flies to the adversaries, and whence.
  5. vlad007
    vlad007 22 February 2018 15: 11
    +1
    To the Turks on the drum, what planes do we have in Syria!
  6. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 22 February 2018 15: 13
    +17
    Usually, the text "designed for the embarrassment of weak brains" looks like this: "As the Eskimo Gazette reports, it has been noticed on the territory of Syria ..." And now, this is called the analyst? Well, thanks and on it. hi
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 22 February 2018 15: 29
      +45
      What, comrades Jews, behind something squeezed? I hope you understand that SU-57 and DRLO drove not barmaleev to drive ...
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 22 February 2018 15: 49
        +27
        Quote: sabakina
        What, comrades Jews, behind something squeezed? I hope you understand that SU-57 and DRLO drove not barmaleev to drive ...

        Vyacheslav, I am not an expert on the posterior compression of the peoples of the world. You, apparently, know better. love
        I hope you understand that the SU-57, which hastily brought right from the factory slipways of the SU-XNUMX, cannot solve any strategic tasks, but those planes that already were there did cope with the tactical ones. He was sent there, “not to drive the bogeles,” but as the author of the article correctly noted, exclusively for the “embarrassment of weak brains”. Now, the local command has a new headache. After all, "the newest planes can be attacked, if not in the air (they cannot be knocked down with a stone), then on the ground, and the same Chemeim base was recently attacked by militants." For this, the head will not stroke. Can and epaulets fly. In short, it will be with them still that trouble, alas ... hi
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 22 February 2018 15: 56
          +24
          Quote: A. Privalov
          Vyacheslav, I am not an expert on the posterior compression of the peoples of the world. You, apparently, know better. love
          Alexander, well, we, the proctologists know better. Secondly. You understand that the tasks in front of them will be put not to armored vehicles and destroy manpower, but to control the sky. And about the danger of being even on the a / base .... Well, who does not risk, he does not drink ....
          1. A. Privalov
            A. Privalov 22 February 2018 16: 06
            +16
            Quote: sabakina
            Quote: A. Privalov
            Vyacheslav, I am not an expert on the posterior compression of the peoples of the world. You, apparently, know better. love
            Alexander, well, we, the proctologists know better. Secondly. You understand that the tasks in front of them will be put not to armored vehicles and destroy manpower, but to control the sky. And about the danger of being even on the a / base .... Well, who does not risk, he does not drink ....

            And so you are a proctologist! Well, that is another matter. Then in your "expert" assessment, I have no doubt. Tell me, is it not boring, all my life to look in such a place?
            Sky, say, control? So their faithful air defense systems no longer have faith? Okay. As they say, in the land of the blind and the one-eyed king will be. Successes! hi
            1. ul_vitalii
              ul_vitalii 22 February 2018 17: 37
              +15
              Quote: A. Privalov
              Quote: sabakina
              Quote: A. Privalov
              Vyacheslav, I am not an expert on the posterior compression of the peoples of the world. You, apparently, know better. love
              Alexander, well, we, the proctologists know better. Secondly. You understand that the tasks in front of them will be put not to armored vehicles and destroy manpower, but to control the sky. And about the danger of being even on the a / base .... Well, who does not risk, he does not drink ....

              And so you are a proctologist! Well, that is another matter. Then in your "expert" assessment, I have no doubt. Tell me, is it not boring, all my life to look in such a place?
              Sky, say, control? So their faithful air defense systems no longer have faith? Okay. As they say, in the land of the blind and the one-eyed king will be. Successes! hi

              hi And what is this, here you can pick a finger there and we will not blame you for this, as some people said: to each his own. smile
              1. A. Privalov
                A. Privalov 22 February 2018 17: 53
                +11
                Quote: ul_vitalii

                hi And what is this, here you can pick a finger there and we will not blame you for this, as some people said: to each his own. smile

                WE are proctologists? Now, THIS is SO called? Something got the hell out of you. They’ll grab strangers right on the floors! belay
                If on the topic of the article you have nothing to say, I do not dare to delay more! hi
                1. Russia
                  Russia 22 February 2018 18: 05
                  +24
                  Yes, and you feel the fuse is damp, nervous. Keep watching and picking.
                2. Senior manager
                  Senior manager 24 February 2018 16: 27
                  +1
                  A.Privalov. Mentally, I applaud you, Brilliant rhetoric and nothing more, an attempt to dress in the clothes of Grandma Vangelia, and even under the Israeli flag, is not it a shame?
                3. nadezhiva
                  nadezhiva 26 February 2018 07: 10
                  0
                  Shiny syllable and strange flag. What can be "strangers"? smile
                  Alexander Nikolaevich, why don’t you write here yourself? After all, there are topics. I swear, it would be interesting to read you.
        2. Korax71
          Korax71 22 February 2018 16: 05
          +6
          Good pont-more money. Although local strategists are sure that 2 su 57 with a plane of DRL will make a rustling sound and land the Israeli and Amerzian Air Forces.
          1. A. Privalov
            A. Privalov 22 February 2018 16: 15
            +14
            Quote: Korax71
            Good pont-more money. Although local strategists are sure that 2 su 57 with a plane of DRL will make a rustling sound and land the Israeli and Amerzian Air Forces.

            How your neighbors like to say: "Do not be like a gop, do not jump." You are far away there, and we are sitting in the front row in this tent. Very soon it becomes clear who is there and where a rustling will be brought, and who, whom, and where will be planted. I propose to postpone idle reasoning and wait a bit. hi
            1. Russia
              Russia 22 February 2018 17: 48
              +10
              We’ll prepare chairs, let’s get the seeds.
            2. JD1979
              JD1979 22 February 2018 17: 57
              +24
              Pf .... A lot of discussion about the length of a pip ... But it didn’t occur to you that 57 drove to check the operation of the avionics for correct recognition and tracking of flying penguins and other junk of potential friends, who grazes a lot there, and check the performance of all systems in these climatic conditions. For all the rest, rooks with 35mi are enough.
              1. Vlad.by
                Vlad.by 24 February 2018 01: 17
                +2
                Well, not only that. I think that there will certainly be a check of the “correct” operation of airborne weapons ... Moreover, I believe that somewhere information about certain plans, whether striped or hexagonal, has leaked. Here on one of them they will train if, of course, there is not enough brains to cancel the planned. (Well, like, the next blow to the nuclear power plant in Iran. The next blow, and not the nuclear power plant), I suppose, before measuring the lengths, those who drove the Su-57 to Syria are no worse than couch "fighters" FOR WHICH it was done.
            3. karabas-barabas
              karabas-barabas 22 February 2018 19: 10
              0
              Monsieur Korex jokes, well.
        3. mintai_kot
          mintai_kot 22 February 2018 18: 09
          +5
          Straight from the stocks? That you respected, twist! The first one flies already in 2010 ....
        4. NEXUS
          NEXUS 22 February 2018 18: 30
          +14
          Quote: A. Privalov
          I hope you understand that the SU-57 hastily driven directly from the factory slipways cannot solve any strategic problems,

          Are you sure these two sides are “hastily assembled”? And are you sure that these are the very prototypes out of ten tested?
          Quote: A. Privalov
          He was sent there, "not to drive barmaley", but as the author of the article correctly noted, solely for "embarrassment of weak brains."

          Oh ... and maybe it can work out the arsenal both on the ground, and in which case, and through the air?
          And I think that very soon, we will learn about the use of the SU-57 in Syria, which in itself will not be weaker in effect than the use of calibers.
          1. karabas-barabas
            karabas-barabas 22 February 2018 19: 31
            +11
            And what was the effect of the Caliber? And to whom did they effect, except for a certain audience? 2 Drying 57e and the ancient AWACS A-50 will not affect the decisions of the USA and Israel. After all, one show-off and chatter about the zombie hunter and completely different responsible persons in the Moscow Region and authorities who understand that it will be possible to use these weapons against the United States and Israel only once, after which the base in Khmeimim will be swept away in a short time and will ask the Russian Federation from Syria within 24 hours The news is certainly interesting, the latest Drying on the battlefield, for what purpose. God forbid, of course, that some Turk, or a Jew on F-16, knocks down such a car, here several factors can play at the same time, which can lead to serious complications.
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 22 February 2018 19: 47
              +22
              Quote: karabas-barabas
              And what was the effect of the Caliber?

              Yes, nothing ... mattresses just saw that not only they have CDs that can fly 2 or more thousand kilometers.
              Quote: karabas-barabas
              and ancient AWACS A-50

              Dear, this is the A-50U ... how old is it? Everything is new there.
              Quote: karabas-barabas
              that it will be possible to use this weapon against the United States and Israel only once, after which the base in Khmeimim will be swept away in a short time and asked for the Russian Federation from Syria within 24 hours.

              What kind of nonsense is it for children? If the Khmeimi base is swept away, then Israel will be flushed into the toilet immediately, as a state, using the same Caliber with nuclear weapons, and the US bases will also go under the same distribution. And in the end there will be a nuclear conflict. Now ask yourself not a child’s question. Does Israel or the USA need it? Whisk will not break no?
              Quote: karabas-barabas
              God forbid, of course, that some Turk, or a Jew on F-16, would hit such a car,

              This drying is too tough for a lizard, not like the ancient F-16, which 57 will see long before the pilot of the 16th discovers it. At the same time, the 57th one will not fly, but in a company with SU-35. Well, if an Israeli or a kamikaze Turk, then let him try to bring down.
            2. Korax71
              Korax71 22 February 2018 20: 34
              +3
              The effect of the calibers is pure propaganda. Well, and again, show offs. She had an effect on someone, especially domestically.
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 22 February 2018 20: 54
                +18
                Quote: Korax71
                The effect of calibers is pure propaganda. Well, again, show off

                You tell the Yugoslavs on which they hit with axes, what kind of show-offs and propaganda. And then we'll talk.
                1. Korax71
                  Korax71 23 February 2018 15: 36
                  +1
                  What have the axes ????? about their effectiveness, I didn’t seem to say a word. It was as if about calibers. Or they also bombed Yugoslavia belay
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 23 February 2018 15: 39
                    +11
                    Quote: Korax71
                    What have the axes ????? about their effectiveness, I didn’t seem to say a word. It was as if about calibers. Or they also bombed Yugoslavia belay

                    You blurted out about the show-offs and propaganda. It was LYAPNYULY ... Therefore, I gave an example of axes. Apparently the mattresses were also doing the show-off propaganda at that moment.
            3. jhltyjyjctw
              jhltyjyjctw 24 February 2018 19: 56
              +4
              Quote: karabas-barabas
              it will be possible to use this weapon against the United States and Israel only once, after which the base in Khmeimim will be swept away in a short time and asked for the Russian Federation from Syria within 24 hours. The news is certainly interesting, the latest Drying on the battlefield, for what purpose. God forbid, of course, that some Turk, or a Jew on F-16, would hit such a car,


              With North Korea first deal, doomsday war.
        5. Lock36
          Lock36 22 February 2018 19: 43
          +7
          Quote: A. Privalov
          hastily driven directly from the factory slipways SU-57

          Cool. You read how much our equipment is tested before being put into business.
          This is not for you kosher in F35, which have been producing and selling to everyone for more than 10 years, but they are still raw and buggy.
        6. gig334
          gig334 23 February 2018 15: 35
          +6
          Quote: A. Privalov
          Quote: sabakina
          What, comrades Jews, behind something squeezed? I hope you understand that SU-57 and DRLO drove not barmaleev to drive ...

          Vyacheslav, I am not an expert on the posterior compression of the peoples of the world. You, apparently, know better. love
          I hope you understand that the SU-57, which hastily brought right from the factory slipways of the SU-XNUMX, cannot solve any strategic tasks, but those planes that already were there did cope with the tactical ones. He was sent there, “not to drive the bogeles,” but as the author of the article correctly noted, exclusively for the “embarrassment of weak brains”. Now, the local command has a new headache. After all, "the newest planes can be attacked, if not in the air (they cannot be knocked down with a stone), then on the ground, and the same Chemeim base was recently attacked by militants." For this, the head will not stroke. Can and epaulets fly. In short, it will be with them still that trouble, alas ... hi


          If you can’t keep track of the news, you don’t have to fantasize and consider yourself smarter than military experts. Together with the Su-57 came protective hangars, the bullshit that fired at the bearded base, you can not break through them. In addition, according to the presented images, it can be seen that in these hangars you can place not two, but 4-5 Su-57 aircraft. So about the number of new generation aircraft in Syria, one can only guess. We saw only that which was lit up, that which should be seen. We don’t even know how many of them are in reality in the VKS (I'm talking about Su-57), we were told that there are 11 of them, but in reality it can be more. And as you know, Putin is a fan of presenting surprises to the West. Therefore, we stop getting smart on the couch and imagine ourselves to be generals. Happy holiday to all! But I advise Jews and Americans to think now whether or not to attack the Syrian troops.
        7. ver_
          ver_ 26 February 2018 07: 52
          0
          ... for no reason and a fly on * the head * do not sit down ..
    2. Ustin Umarov
      Ustin Umarov 22 February 2018 19: 19
      +4
      Is Izy the smartest again? hutspa in one place overthrows?
  7. Falcon5555
    Falcon5555 22 February 2018 15: 17
    +2
    Except point 3, probably everything is just the opposite.
  8. luk
    luk 22 February 2018 15: 19
    +3
    "Fourth ..."
    It seems that in the near future it will be very painful for someone to “kick their asses” and this will make a decisive contribution to the rating of one of the presidential candidates, leveling the Olympic humiliation.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 22 February 2018 17: 52
      +4
      With several airplanes we’ll kick our asses? They’re undergoing tests, that’s the reason. The rest is the reinforcement of the group due to the difficult situation in Syria.
      Quote: luk
      "Fourth ..."
      It seems that in the near future it will be very painful for someone to “kick their asses” and this will make a decisive contribution to the rating of one of the presidential candidates, leveling the Olympic humiliation.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 22 February 2018 18: 24
        +5
        And further. A decisive contribution to the rating can be made only in one action. Cut the Gordian knot in the Donbass. All the rest is reinforcement of rhetoric, like May decrees, which eventually scored everything.
        Quote: 210ox
        With several airplanes we’ll kick our asses? They’re undergoing tests, that’s the reason. The rest is the reinforcement of the group due to the difficult situation in Syria.
        Quote: luk
        "Fourth ..."
        It seems that in the near future it will be very painful for someone to “kick their asses” and this will make a decisive contribution to the rating of one of the presidential candidates, leveling the Olympic humiliation.
        1. karabas-barabas
          karabas-barabas 22 February 2018 19: 36
          +10
          Quote: 210ox
          Everything else is reinforcing rhetoric like May decrees, which eventually scored everything.


          Putin himself scored on his orders. Otherwise, the "bad boyars" had to be driven, which he never did. So he had to do it himself.
        2. Vlad.by
          Vlad.by 24 February 2018 22: 32
          0
          And to whom, excuse me, is it necessary to decide something for the rating?
          Or do you think that Grudinin Sushi sent to Syria?
      2. ul_vitalii
        ul_vitalii 22 February 2018 18: 25
        +6
        Dmitry, good evening hi I also think they want to drive the electronic stuffing.
        1. karabas-barabas
          karabas-barabas 22 February 2018 19: 40
          +6
          In my opinion, the appearance of the Su-57, and most likely it is the T-50, the Su-57 will not appear soon, all this for PR purposes, to somehow smooth out and distract from the recent tragedy, with the deaths of dozens of Russian soldiers.
          1. cats
            cats 24 February 2018 11: 27
            +2
            What dozens? About hundreds of whining .. maybe thousands ..
  9. Jarilo
    Jarilo 22 February 2018 15: 21
    +14
    When Putin has a runny nose, someone has diarrhea.
  10. Rockerman
    Rockerman 22 February 2018 15: 21
    +6
    So that your actions are not misinterpreted, they (these actions) must be clearly positioned, and not wagged "hints". Which was shown to Putin. His "hints" on the desire to peacefully resolve the situation in Syria, the hegemon understood how Putin is weak enough to compete with us and raised rates. Putin again (for the umpteenth time) increased the videoconferencing in Syria, again a "hint"?
    1. iVasya
      iVasya 22 February 2018 16: 57
      +2
      Quote: RockerMan
      Putin again (for the umpteenth time) increased the videoconferencing system in Syria

      If you don’t, you won’t increase. Withdrawing, you can earn points on different flanks. Building up later - also, already on other flanks.
  11. koosss
    koosss 22 February 2018 15: 21
    +7
    there’s no risk before the election, is it really not clear who they will choose? so that all actions are clearly on the situation in Syria
  12. flicker
    flicker 22 February 2018 15: 21
    +10
    Second: Such a responsible decision - to send the latest, secret aircraft, which barely passed the main stage of state tests, to the combat area, could only be taken at the highest level. That is, directly by the President of Russia.
    Still think that decision not the president accepted the dispatch. From the logic the president sets the military taskand how to solve it is already proposed by the military, with or without SU-57, it depends on the military. But in general, everything looks like this: we gave the opportunity to resolve the situation peacefully, the opposition did not want ...
    1. karabas-barabas
      karabas-barabas 22 February 2018 19: 41
      +2
      This decision was made neither by the Defense Ministry, nor by the AP, but the election department for PR.
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 22 February 2018 22: 09
        +6
        Quote: karabas-barabas
        This decision was made neither by the Defense Ministry, nor by the AP, but the election department for PR.

        Do you think that without these planes in Syria Putin will lose the election? laughing
      2. Vlad.by
        Vlad.by 24 February 2018 22: 36
        0
        Come on! Pre-election department ...
        Surely some sort of PR manager Sushki sent.
        By the way, has this Putin’s PR manager not yet married the election?
    2. ved_med12
      ved_med12 22 February 2018 20: 36
      +2
      I wonder who can give the order for the participation of SU 57 in hostilities, if they have not yet been formally adopted? they are not yet in our troops ....
  13. 79533262878
    79533262878 22 February 2018 15: 24
    +2
    Quote: Curious
    "But if you sweep aside this baby talk, designed to embarrass weak brains on the eve of the presidential election, and try to assess the situation in an adult way,"
    So where are the promised adults then?

    "There will be a squirrel for you, there will be a whistle"
    1. Curious
      Curious 22 February 2018 19: 13
      +5
      Yeah, there are plenty of whistles here. Some are already ringing. And some with the squirrel, obviously.
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  15. demo
    demo 22 February 2018 15: 28
    +13
    Clause 1 to Claim 7 is all l-la.
    Eighth: This signal from Putin in Washington was not heard. Instead of shifting the center of gravity to a peaceful settlement of the situation in Syria, the Americans first engaged in sabotaging Russian dialogue initiatives, in particular in the form of completely ignoring the Syrian Constitutional Forum in Sochi. And then they completely switched to the direct capture and consolidation of entire regions of Syria for themselves under the completely fictitious pretext of helping the "freedom-loving Kurds in their fight against terrorism."

    But this is serious if Washington should listen to Putin’s words from your words.
    Hope for such a development of events should be based on some kind of evidence base. Preferably serious.
    Those. After the speech of Vladimir Putin, the US Senate decided not to introduce the next sanctions, but to cancel the existing ones.
    Or.
    The IOC carefully studying the statement of the President of the Russian Federation apologized profoundly for unauthorized and insulting dignity of the Russian Federation actions and dropped all charges against Russian athletes. He also returned all the selected medals and invited the athletes to pay monetary compensation for discrediting their names.
    Continue?
    Or guess yourself.
    I just do not want to aggravate the wounds of the relatives and friends of our fallen heroes.


    Then Washington definitely heard everything.
    In the meantime, the statements of Vladimir Putin are the voice of one crying in the desert.
    I can and rougher.
    1. SPACE
      SPACE 22 February 2018 16: 24
      +3
      Quote: demo
      I can and rougher.

      Suppose, but these are the actions of GDP. But please tell me about the Wise One, but what could be done? What had to be done? Who could do that? And what are the implications?
      1. Dante Alighieri
        Dante Alighieri 22 February 2018 20: 57
        +7
        What could be done? you ask. Well, for example, it was necessary to enter Syria not in the 5th year of the civil war, but in the second. Take not only the Crimea, but all of eastern Ukraine.
        I’ve been here for a long time. So when the "gas crisis" was still brewing in Syria, I already expressed the idea of ​​transporting all the OM to our territory with the involvement of all international observers in this operation. The luminaries of the site then ridiculed my initiative. But after a month and a half, the president put forward a somewhat revised, but generally anthological idea. How everyone started screaming what a brilliant and cunning move it was. Which came up with the ordinary layman.
        In general, it’s funny soon a mantra about elections will be poked into every news item.
        “Tales in a person’s life should take a strictly defined period - from three to ten years. In special cases, it can be up to twelve, but this, I think, is too much. But no, a lot of people love to compose fables up to old age. You know the most popular myths for adults? Selfless love, pleasing politicians and beer made from natural ingredients for people. In short, people do not grow up "
        1. cats
          cats 24 February 2018 11: 31
          +2
          If you walk widely, the priest will tear .. hi
    2. businessv
      businessv 22 February 2018 21: 50
      0
      Quote: demo
      In the meantime, the statements of Vladimir Putin are the voice of one crying in the desert.
      I can and rougher.

      Dear, anyone can be more coarse and clumsy, I assure you! This is an analytical article expressing the opinion of its author. There is no need to express such doubts about the literacy of people reading VO. I am pleased to read your material on a similar topic.))
  16. Wild ferret
    Wild ferret 22 February 2018 15: 30
    +5
    In general, the composition of the "squadron", which made the flight, quite impressive. I had a vague anxiety, but what is coming? This is certainly not a "strategy", but still. "Eyes and ears" and an increase in the number of fighters - will we close the airspace, "squeeze" the coalition out of the air, or is it insurance for the Su-57? Um, a lot of different thoughts.
    1. gerkost2012
      gerkost2012 22 February 2018 17: 11
      +3
      Yes, just a few, In Syria, a long time ago the order needs to be put in place and you need to start from the air. To clean the sky for such a mother.
    2. karabas-barabas
      karabas-barabas 22 February 2018 19: 47
      +1
      Quote: Wild Ferret
      we will close the airspace, "squeeze out" the coalition from the air


      This is at least an order of magnitude small enough to drive Jews and Yankees out of the Syrian sky. In general, there are strong doubts that the Russian Aerospace Forces in general are able to cope with the Jewish Air Force, especially with the United States in addition.
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 22 February 2018 22: 15
        +3
        Quote: karabas-barabas
        This is at least an order of magnitude small enough to drive Jews and Yankees out of the Syrian sky.

        The task of defeating the US in Syria is quite feasible; the Strategic Missile Forces will solve the problem of defeating the United States.
        Quote: karabas-barabas
        In general, there are strong doubts that the Russian Aerospace Forces in general are able to cope with the Jewish Air Force, especially with the United States in addition.

        Doubts are a great thing, it means that you have developed critical thinking, I even doubt that the Jewish Air Force, especially the United States, will cope with our VKS in addition.
  17. 79533262878
    79533262878 22 February 2018 15: 43
    +2
    Quote: sabakina
    What, comrades Jews, behind something squeezed? I hope you understand that SU-57 and DRLO drove not barmaleev to drive ...

    By the way, Barmalev already dispersed% upon!
    Just for some reason, Americans and Israelis are in no hurry to take out the corpses of their mercenaries who fought for the values ​​of the Islamic state in the ranks of the ISIS terrorist organization that they themselves created. And even more so to comfort the sobbing widows and mothers
    1. flicker
      flicker 22 February 2018 15: 55
      +9
      Just for some reason, the Americans and Israelis are in no hurry to take out the corpses of their mercenaries
      For amers, corpses have been lying for years: “The USA has had successful experience in hiding any data about its losses for several decades! ... 2. Next, the body of the murdered person is transported to Germany, Qatar or another country where the US military bases are located. The corpse is frozen for an indefinite 3. Referring to strict instructions, the deceased’s colleagues are strictly forbidden to inform relatives of their comrade.It’s no secret that the mail correspondence of American soldiers is under heavy and sometimes humiliating censorship control.The same rules apply, of course, to their electronic letters and communication on the Internet. The servicemen are constantly reminded of this before each access to the network 4. In some cases, when transportation of the body for one reason or another is difficult to Qatar or Germany, the corpse is simply thrown into the river and "successfully" caught ... .
      More information at http://voprosik.net/kak-skryvaet-poteri-armiya-ss
      ha / © QUESTION

      Israel is still unable to return the bodies of its soldiers to the victims, after the last war with Lebanon.
    2. lance
      lance 22 February 2018 16: 29
      0
      Do you want from Israel and the United States to hear how much they lost there? then one plane just barely the whole world proved what you ...
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 22 February 2018 17: 38
        +9
        Quote: flicker
        Israel is still unable to return the bodies of its soldiers to the victims, after the last war with Lebanon.

        Quote: Lance
        Do you want from Israel and the United States to hear how much they lost there? then one plane just barely the whole world proved what you ...

        Israel never hides its losses. Moreover, the names of each and every one who died in the wars of Israel are listed in a special memorial center. Every year their names are read out loud in the Knesset on the eve of Independence Day on the Day of Remembrance of the Fallen and the Victims of Terror in the wars of Israel. In 2017, the names of 23 544 military and 3 117 civilians were read out.
        In the last war with Lebanon, a 121 soldier was killed. They are all buried in their homeland.
        1. flicker
          flicker 22 February 2018 19: 58
          +6
          A. Privalov
          In the United States, children, having reached the age of majority, often wait for their home and parents may no longer see. They may not know about each other’s fate, they died ... they are alive ... they died. Another thing for society is not talking about losses (Vietnam taught), hiding, and parents may think that their children live somewhere.
          Israel never hides its losses
          I completely agree. In Jewish families (I don’t tell you), the connection of children and parents with the age of majority does not break, so it’s impossible to conceal the death of a soldier, and for obvious reasons in Israel, the death of a soldier is treated with special trepidation - the “special memorial center”. Another thing is that the bodies of not all those who died in the last Lebanon war were returned (the Israelis spoke about this).
    3. karabas-barabas
      karabas-barabas 22 February 2018 19: 52
      +4
      Well, yes, of course, how to answer the facts of the failures of the Russian Federation in Syria? Correctly, you can invent all kinds of nonsense and constantly repeat it, but it is not necessary to present evidence, because those for whom such nonsense is intended, they never require them.
    4. ventel
      ventel 22 February 2018 23: 51
      +4
      People who believe in all kinds of political scientists, journalists, but don’t want to think with their own heads always surprised me. They were told that ISIS is a US-Israeli project that they believe even though a year ago they said with foam at the mouth that this was a Qatar-Saudi project. Mao Zedong yes read the Qur'an put everything together and get the program ISIS.
  18. Strashila
    Strashila 22 February 2018 15: 46
    +1
    What can I say ... we are waiting for nastiness, dirty tricks and provocations regarding relations with the Russian military in Syria.
    1. Strategia
      Strategia 22 February 2018 19: 23
      +2
      Do you want bread and salt and bouquets of flowers? We are squeezing oil fields from someone, and not freeing the East European capitals from the Nazis.
  19. kaschey
    kaschey 22 February 2018 15: 59
    +1
    It’s just closer to El Udeida to fly with Khmeimim than with Lipetsk ....
  20. Sergey_I
    Sergey_I 22 February 2018 16: 08
    0
    Everything would be fine, but the fact of the destruction of PMC fighters mentioned in the article was not recognized by anyone.
    1. lance
      lance 22 February 2018 16: 33
      0
      why not recognized? recognized, but in real numbers and clarification of no Russian Federation and Russian.
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    2. Redfox3k
      Redfox3k 22 February 2018 16: 40
      0
      Never mind. The fact is that America is somewhat insolent.
  21. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 22 February 2018 16: 35
    +6
    “Such a responsible decision - about sending the latest, secret aircraft, which barely passed the main stage of state tests, to the combat area, could be made only at the highest level. That is, directly by the President of Russia.”
    But Sands is embarrassed to confirm this.
    A spokesman for the Russian president, Dmitry Peskov, advised reporters to ask for comments about sending the latest Russian aircraft to the Defense Ministry to Syria.
    In response to a request to confirm the information of the media about sending the newest aircraft to Syria, Peskov said: “This is to the Ministry of Defense”.
  22. yehat
    yehat 22 February 2018 16: 35
    +3
    Especially in combination with an AWACS aircraft, which is clearly not intended to neutralize the primitive military capabilities of the local

    they are there to protect bird migration
  23. Opera
    Opera 22 February 2018 16: 44
    +6
    Quote: A. Privalov
    Now, the local command has a new headache. After all, "the latest aircraft can be attacked if not in the air (they cannot be shot down with a stone), then on the ground, and the same Khmeimim base was recently attacked by militants." For this, the head is not stroked. Can and epaulettes fly. In a word, that trouble will be with them, alas

    Ha ha ha ha! Well, mentality is mentality! The strongest thing!)))))))) Remember how in the famous comedy ?!)))) There is a "serious meeting" among the mafia, how to live on and what to do - the KGB agent arrived !!!!!!!! "... and so, what will Comrade Katz tell us ?! A frightened Jew fidgeting in a chair, nervous (just like a friend here under the Jewish flag and the strange name of Privalov) - Katz offers to give up !!!!!" You made Comrade Privalov laugh with your womanish sympathy - oh, oh, those are new planes ... Oh, oh, you should guard them and generally hide somewhere! Later you won’t fly on them; don’t make me nervous?!?!
    We are waiting for tovarisch))))), Privalov, your further jokes of humor from that big top in which you, according to your own words, are sitting on your ears !!!!! They made us laugh!
    PS In connection with what, what happened to us, Netanyahu called Putin ?! Or is it still busy ?!
  24. HEATHER
    HEATHER 22 February 2018 16: 52
    0
    Where is the photo from Hmeimima? Are the satellites scared and dumped? Video is complete bliss.
    1. Strategia
      Strategia 22 February 2018 19: 18
      0
      Quote: VERESK
      Video is complete bliss.

      That's right, Mr. Colonel General: "Video is a complete whim!"
    2. LMN
      LMN 22 February 2018 19: 19
      +3
      Quote: VERESK
      Where is the photo from Hmeimima? Are the satellites scared and dumped? Video is complete bliss.

      Well, if the MO confirmed the arrival .. what questions may be
      ??
      Why do you need a video ?!
    3. MadCat
      MadCat 23 February 2018 09: 09
      0
      Quote: VERESK
      Where is the photo from Hmeimima? Are the satellites scared and dumped? Video is complete bliss.

      such pictures are not distributed free of charge, if you need to pay and watch from commercial satellites ...
  25. gerkost2012
    gerkost2012 22 February 2018 17: 07
    +5
    And you can put it all much easier and shorter. All the actions of Russia, from the Olympic Knicksen to the proposal for the introduction of peacekeepers in the Donbass, and even more so the withdrawal of the contingent from Syria in Washington, were perceived completely differently from what the Kremlin believed. There they took it as a hint at losing positions, that is, as a sign of weakness. The breakdown of the Pentagon’s pen was a blow to PMCs. Silence. So, in Moscow weaklings. It is clear that if a healthy bull is unbelted and insolent, rude, then it must be reassured and not by notations or notes of protest. And so fill the face to remember for a very long time. And for this you need to cook something, for example, remove the watch and starched cuffs from your wrist, and then thresh it in a brazen mug, as it was in Korea, Vietnam and some other places. Only in Washington will they be able to understand.
    1. Strategia
      Strategia 22 February 2018 19: 21
      +4
      Quote: gerkost2012
      since it was in Korea, Vietnam

      The Russian Federation is not the USSR. Only by strategic nuclear forces do we have some parity.
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 22 February 2018 22: 22
        +2
        Quote: Strategia
        The Russian Federation is not the USSR. Only by strategic nuclear forces do we have some parity.

        To consider parity in a local war on the territory of a third state is the height of idiocy, neither Russia nor the United States will drag any significant part of their army to Syria to create parity.
        1. MadCat
          MadCat 23 February 2018 09: 11
          +2
          Quote: Setrac
          Quote: Strategia
          The Russian Federation is not the USSR. Only by strategic nuclear forces do we have some parity.

          To consider parity in a local war on the territory of a third state is the height of idiocy, neither Russia nor the United States will drag any significant part of their army to Syria to create parity.

          on one US carrier, "parity" to a single and unique base can be based.
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 23 February 2018 14: 22
            0
            Quote: MadCat
            on one US carrier, "parity" to a single and unique base can be based.

            The power of aircraft carriers is greatly exaggerated, carrier-based aviation is easy prey for normal aircraft.
            1. MadCat
              MadCat 23 February 2018 17: 04
              0
              Quote: Setrac
              The power of aircraft carriers is greatly exaggerated, carrier-based aviation is easy prey for normal aircraft.

              is F18 easy prey? You didn’t mix anything up there? And how are they inferior to “normal airplanes”, decorated differently? laughing
              Aircraft carriers will be able to carry up to 90 aircraft and helicopters for various purposes: 5th generation deck aircraft F-35, F / A-18E / F Super Hornet attack aircraft, E-2D Advanced Hawkeye airborne aircraft, EA-18G electronic counter-aircraft, multi-purpose MH-60R / S helicopters, as well as combat unmanned aerial vehicles.

              F18 in many respects even surpasses F15, not to mention that the upgraded super-gears are equipped with AFAR and the same missiles as land rats wassat
              1. Setrac
                Setrac 24 February 2018 09: 10
                0
                Quote: MadCat
                F18 in many respects even surpasses F15, not to mention that the upgraded super-gears are equipped with AFAR and the same missiles as land rats

                Yes, the F-18 is inferior in terms of performance characteristics and the F-15th and Su-27. And the fact that by some parameters (secondary) he caught up with F18 and Su27 will not help him.
              2. cats
                cats 24 February 2018 11: 39
                +2
                The super-top would first get the good from our submariners .. laughing
      2. gerkost2012
        gerkost2012 23 February 2018 20: 11
        0
        "Strategist," did you yourself then serve in the SA in those Soviet times? My son commands a battalion in one of the units of the Southern Military District of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. They can’t get out of the training grounds, exercises from morning till night. Moreover, in the "battle" without any preparation, in any weather and time. And we only shot three times at the SA from an assault rifle for the entire service life, and all the rest of the time it was help to agriculture, then at five-year construction sites ... Therefore, what army and the stronger, the question is very controversial. After all, they fight not by numbers, but by skill.
        1. xtur
          xtur 28 February 2018 19: 08
          0
          > And we in the CA from a machine gun only fired three times during the entire service life, and all the rest of the time, either helping agriculture, or at construction sites of the five-year plan

          it depends on where
          The GSVG had full combat training
        2. Strategia
          Strategia 28 February 2018 22: 21
          0
          Quote: gerkost2012
          "Strategist," did you yourself then serve in the SA in those Soviet times?

          How much I served, YOU may not even imagine. And now, military training is not everywhere going as well as in South-Eastern Military District. There Ukraine is at hand ...
  26. 79533262878
    79533262878 22 February 2018 17: 10
    +2
    Quote: Curious
    "But if you sweep aside this baby talk, designed to embarrass weak brains on the eve of the presidential election, and try to assess the situation in an adult way,"
    So where are the promised adults then?

    RUSSIA ALREADY ANSWERED BY ADULT !!!
    While the liberal-pan-adherents of the sect of perishing Russia tried to squeeze a tear from themselves ...
    On 19/02/2017, the Russian Air Force combat aircraft supported the counter-terrorist operation of the Syrian Army in the non-residential ruins of Eastern Guta, where militants erected powerful fortifications.
    Arab media reported that Russian aircraft launched targeted airstrikes on numerous terrorist targets east of Damascus, targeting the tactical positions of the groups and their transport routes.
    There is information that Russian combat aircraft have focused on delivering high-precision weapon attacks on well-armed strongholds of militants with anti-tank missiles and heavy machine guns.
    CAA missiles destroy important gang objects
    It was also reported that the Syrian Arab Army launched rocket attacks on militant positions in the East Ghouta region. As a result, a military camp, a center for coordination of militants and an underground warehouse belonging to gangs were destroyed. In addition, defenses with trenches and strongholds were destroyed.
    The defeat of these terrorist targets by missiles of the Syrian army refers to the planned point strikes, based on a large amount of intelligence collected by observers and agents operating in the militant camp in the area.
    500 SAA fighters from Deir ez-Zora and Raqqa strengthened the grouping of troops in Damascus
    Recently arrived reinforcements from the provinces of Deir ez-Zor and Raqqa to eastern Damascus will take part in the upcoming battle to clear East Ghouta’s pocket from militants.
    According to military sources, while government forces are preparing to launch the offensive, about 500 more soldiers were relocated in the vicinity of Damascus.
    With the newly arrived forces, the total strength of the offensive military force deployed by Syrian government forces near East Guta increased to more than 10, including the famous Tigers of General Suheil among them.
    1. Angler
      Angler 22 February 2018 18: 43
      +1
      That is how old Merkel howled about the massacre. Again they are trying to get their allies out of attack.
  27. Opera
    Opera 22 February 2018 17: 17
    +1
    Quote: 79533262878
    RUSSIA ALREADY ANSWERED BY ADULT !!!

    ONLY THE BEGINNING!
  28. astankard
    astankard 22 February 2018 17: 19
    0
    Now, as I understand it, the hunting season should open on the Su-57 in Syria .... ISIS is not involved here - there is nothing to participate with.
    1. ul_vitalii
      ul_vitalii 22 February 2018 17: 42
      +7
      Let them drive to the S-400.
  29. Galina Arefieva
    Galina Arefieva 22 February 2018 17: 43
    +1
    I am opposed to military operations on foreign territory. Military equipment must defend its borders. And to test military equipment in someone else’s territory, destroying people and buildings made by someone else’s hands, I consider a crime.
    1. Opera
      Opera 22 February 2018 18: 27
      +10
      Very dramatic! Therefore, in your opinion it is better to fight on your own ?! So let it be known to you, madam, that it’s better not to let the enemy go to your borders, let alone into your territory. Let me remind you that terrorists in Syria declared jihad to Russia! I also remind you that thousands of jihadists from Russia and the CIS countries were destroyed in Syria! Would you prefer to deal with them in Russia ?! I’ll also remind you of one military truth — if the enemy does not surrender, they will destroy him! I have to admit that even with structures made by the wrong hands! Have you probably heard that Russia is surrounded by a ring of NATO bases ?! Do you think that it’s better to launch them in Russia at all, so that if something like a building in NATO Poland, it’s not damaged ?!
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 22 February 2018 20: 31
        +3
        Neither add nor diminish. Clearly stated, Oper! Thanks to false humanism, we reached the current state. So the death penalty was also abolished the same way.
    2. businessv
      businessv 22 February 2018 22: 03
      +1
      Quote: Galina Arefieva
      And to test military equipment in someone else’s territory, destroying people and buildings made by someone else’s hands, I consider a crime.

      Dear Galina, most recently there was already a similar polemic at VO You, apparently you do not often come here. Let me remind you of the answer to a similar remark: open a map of the Middle East and see why Russia intervened in the actions of terrorists and inaction of the ATS, which had weakened from the exhausting war. Weapons are not tested there, as you say, but the necessary military operations are carried out, during which some samples of military equipment and weapons are tested, this is a huge difference! I assure you that it is better to fight terror “in bulk” where it originates, than to catch terrorists alone in our cities!
    3. Yngvar
      Yngvar 22 February 2018 23: 51
      +7
      Do you understand Galina, we already passed tests of foreign military equipment on our territory in the Patriotic War! Bombs, shells and mines still uproot, in the west of the country, in the east. It’s better to test your equipment in someone else’s territory than someone else’s in your own ...
    4. Yuyuka
      Yuyuka 22 February 2018 23: 57
      +3
      Quote: Galina Arefieva
      I am opposed to military operations on foreign territory. Military equipment must defend its borders. And to test military equipment in someone else’s territory, destroying people and buildings made by someone else’s hands, I consider a crime.


      Fuh! Thank God there are no such short-sighted people in the Moscow Region ... how could Comrade Stalin be wrong! crossed the border and destroyed buildings and people! belay Well, you can’t go out with such nonsense for a general laugh request
    5. sailor52
      sailor52 23 February 2018 01: 14
      +1
      what happiness that you with such a strategic mindset are not ministers of defense and not president
    6. gerkost2012
      gerkost2012 23 February 2018 20: 16
      +4
      Madame, then the "partners" will test their military equipment under your windows, for example, as it happens in our Donbass. Often, South Korean self-propelled guns K-9 pound in our city, US UAVs conduct reconnaissance, etc.
    7. jhltyjyjctw
      jhltyjyjctw 24 February 2018 20: 08
      0
      Quote: Galina Arefieva
      destroying people


      There are no people, there are animals.
  30. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 22 February 2018 18: 11
    +1
    The casket opens simply: you need to run in the pilot series, identifying "bugs", and check the possibility of detecting the F-22 and F-35. And also remove their signatures ... laughing tongue wassat
    1. Borzikov
      Borzikov 22 February 2018 19: 20
      +4
      They have long been removed. F-22 and F35 fly in many countries, including at air shows and exhibitions. And everywhere there are radar stations and intelligence, there are corrupt employees. Not to mention the fact that the F-22 constantly fly along the Russian borders in the Baltic and the Far East. And they have already been repeatedly irradiated by air defense systems. As an example of the effectiveness of the F-22 - in Syria, one such "stealth" taking advantage of the terrain approached the focus of two Russian SU-25 attack aircraft, simulating an attack, and our pilots saw it only when he himself began to attract their attention by firing heat traps and crossing courses. Despite the fact that neither Russian nor Syrian air defense did not see him before that. And only when the pilots of the attack aircraft complained of his actions, the unsuspecting SU-35, located in the same area at an altitude of 10 thousand meters and performing tasks to cover these attack aircraft, came to his senses and "rushed" to the offender, "quickly entering the back hemisphere "to F-22, after which he" retreated. " Well, what was left for him to do, he completed the task, "conditionally destroyed the link of the attack aircraft and it’s time to retire.
      1. turbris
        turbris 22 February 2018 19: 49
        +7
        Borzikov - what kind of nonsense are you talking about "stealth", well, you are not an air defense specialist, so why should everyone else fool around? One stealth, using the terrain, stealthily approached the Su-25, you at least understand that since it is stealth, you don’t need to use the terrain, no one sees it broadcasting here. "Stealth" is not an invisible aircraft, but an aircraft with reduced radar visibility, it simply detects air defense at a shorter range than a conventional aircraft - foreign advertisements have read and praise their planes here, it should be a shame!
      2. Yuyuka
        Yuyuka 23 February 2018 00: 02
        +2
        And only when the pilots of the attack aircraft complained of his actions, the unsuspecting SU-35, located in the same area at an altitude of 10 thousand meters and performing tasks to cover these attack aircraft, came to his senses and "rushed" to the offender, "quickly entering the back hemisphere "to F-22, after which he" retreated. " Well, what was left for him to do, he completed the task, "conditionally destroyed the link of the attack aircraft and it is time to go back.

        what happened? belay although you would have read different opinions ... than to give your own for the right fool on the contrary, the direct influence of the “democratizers" is direct - everything is upside down negative . They sat behind the pilot? laughing
      3. sailor52
        sailor52 23 February 2018 01: 20
        +2
        I believe! You - as an eyewitness! - I believe! As for the notes painted what happened for what. There is no doubt that you stood there watching the “unsuspecting Su-35” from the ground and now we honestly told everything. Though I sleep peacefully.
      4. jhltyjyjctw
        jhltyjyjctw 24 February 2018 20: 12
        0
        Quote: Borzikov
        unsuspecting SU-35, located in the same area at an altitude of 10 thousand meters and performing missions to cover these attack aircraft, came to his senses and "rushed" to the offender, "quickly entering the back hemisphere" to F-22, after which he " retired. "


        Ie conditionally destroyed the F-22. And he let him retire, already down. Touched about the "unsuspecting."
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  32. Strategia
    Strategia 22 February 2018 19: 15
    +1
    But if sweep aside this baby talkdesigned to embarrass weak brains on the eve of presidential elections

    Does this article mean?
  33. Samara_63
    Samara_63 22 February 2018 19: 16
    +1
    We need to get involved in air battles with the US Air Force ... It’s a pity there is no Kozhedub!
    1. Strategia
      Strategia 22 February 2018 19: 31
      +3
      So after all, there is no Stalin!
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 22 February 2018 22: 31
        +1
        Quote: Strategia
        So after all, there is no Stalin!

        And Roosevelt and Churchill, what a pity ...
        And Hitler and Mussolini ...
        1. Strategia
          Strategia 28 February 2018 22: 18
          0
          Quote: Setrac
          And Roosevelt and Churchill, what a pity ...
          And Hitler and Mussolini ...

          Yes, it was difficult to win against such individuals (even disgusting ones), but Stalin won. And now some Trump, Merkel and others (I don’t mention the head of Israel in fear of getting a ban) are wiping their feet on Russia and vilifying it in every possible way without fear ...
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    1. Pissarro
      Pissarro 22 February 2018 19: 50
      +1
      Does this lead from an ABS agency?
    2. Setrac
      Setrac 22 February 2018 22: 39
      +1
      Quote: Borzikov
      Syria, one such “stealth” F-22 greatly disgraced the Russian airborne forces and air defense, taking advantage of the terrain, went point blank to two Russian SU-25 attack aircraft, imitating the attack, and our pilots saw it only when he himself began to attract their attention by shooting thermal traps and crossing courses.

      The thoughts of the amateur. And what ours should have shot down this F-22?
      Quote: Borzikov
      And only when the pilots of the attack aircraft complained of his actions, the unsuspecting SU-35, located in the same area at an altitude of 10 thousand meters and performing tasks to cover these attack aircraft, came to his senses and "rushed" to the offender, "quickly entering the back hemisphere "to F-22, after which he" retreated. "

      That's why they drove Dry, because there was no other method to drive off the F-22 without knocking it.
      Quote: Borzikov
      Well, what was left for him to do, he completed the task, "conditionally destroyed the link of the attack aircraft and it’s time to retire.

      Well, that’s how our fighter completed the interception task, conditionally destroying the F-22 and it's time to go home.
    3. Yuyuka
      Yuyuka 23 February 2018 00: 06
      +2
      Quote: Borzikov
      Syria, one such “stealth” F-22 greatly disgraced the Russian airborne forces and air defense, taking advantage of the terrain, went point blank to two Russian SU-25 attack aircraft, imitating the attack, and our pilots saw it only when he himself began to attract their attention by shooting thermal traps and crossing courses. Despite the fact that neither Russian nor Syrian air defense did not see him before that. And only when the pilots of the attack aircraft complained of his actions, the unsuspecting SU-35, located in the same area at an altitude of 10 thousand meters and performing tasks to cover these attack aircraft, came to his senses and "rushed" to the offender, "quickly entering the back hemisphere "to F-22, after which he" retreated. " Well, what was left for him to do, he completed the task, "conditionally destroyed the link of the attack aircraft and it’s time to retire.


      stuck record? or for the number of letters you get? hell would have connected the imagination but changed the words in some places ...
  35. groks
    groks 22 February 2018 19: 40
    +8
    Why is the headline so yellow? And not related to the text. Which grandmaster and what kind of logic? Again HPP, turning into OKPP?
    The one who occupies the entire territory will win in Syria. And you can bomb indefinitely - the USA has a lot of money, they will hire at least a million new fighters in the impoverished region. Alas - otherwise in history there has never been.
    To test a new technique in real conditions is very good. But just not through the place through which we have been doing everything lately !!!
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 22 February 2018 22: 44
      0
      Quote: groks
      they will hire at least a million new fighters in the impoverished region.

      With superiority in heavy weapons, artillery will grind any number of "millions of soldiers."
      1. groks
        groks 23 February 2018 08: 47
        +1
        Is there a lot of artillery? Does she know where to shoot? Can I shoot there? And then suddenly hooks partners.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 23 February 2018 14: 24
          0
          Quote: groks
          Is there a lot of artillery? Does she know where to shoot? Can I shoot there? And then suddenly hooks partners.

          Sort it out
          1. groks
            groks 23 February 2018 14: 54
            +1
            The USA has already figured out.
  36. Wolka
    Wolka 22 February 2018 20: 14
    +1
    It seems that the Russian Air Force has decided to use the tactics of the Second World War, and a couple of Su-57s, together with the Su-35, will be enough to provide decent cover for an attack or reconnaissance group of aircraft, and running-in and use are evident ...
    1. sailor52
      sailor52 23 February 2018 01: 45
      0
      We are also waiting for the end of the year MiG-35 on the Syrian proving ground soldier
      1. Yarik
        Yarik 23 February 2018 22: 30
        0
        sailor52 Today, 01:45 ↑
        We are also waiting for the end of the year MiG-35 at the Syrian range soldier

        Yes, even Buran-2M lol What will it change? And most importantly, in what? Grandmaster realizes what kind of game?
        1. sailor52
          sailor52 23 February 2018 23: 53
          0
          chef, calmly, I'm about the testing of MiG-35, and that's it. Test technique is necessary.
  37. shans2
    shans2 22 February 2018 20: 34
    +2
    this is not a dull corrugation f-16 and f-35, and f-22, the old guano)
    1. sailor52
      sailor52 23 February 2018 01: 28
      +1
      Perhaps, if the same F-16, by some unfortunate coincidence of circumstances wink piloted by Russian pilots who follow orders of the Russian Defense Ministry, and not the Pentagon, the reputation of this fighter would be much better.
      But, thank God, we produce our own fighters.
  38. macgyver
    macgyver 22 February 2018 22: 46
    +1
    For aircraft designers, this is a unique opportunity to run equipment in combat conditions. Especially given the presence in the airspace of Syria, NATO and Israel aviation. I don’t think that Putin makes all the decisions ... although he is, in fact, also the supreme commander in chief, so he theoretically has a right.
    1. groks
      groks 23 February 2018 14: 58
      0
      What does it mean? MORF going to fight with the USA? Well, at least warned.
      Or does “running in combat” mean something else? What?
  39. Dukat22
    Dukat22 23 February 2018 00: 44
    0
    Quote: Kent0001
    Right now, partners will copy his radio profile, which is not gut, and feel it with radars. We have no one to surprise there, so it looks somehow strange. Ponte we have nothing to pound, but if something in revenge for the Wagnerites could Caliber barmaley and their patrons with the pitch mix.

    In addition to the Jews, they can control the locals, they have 5th generation American fighters. Syrians will generally go as if at an air show with bulging eyes; they fly on airplanes of the 70s when my parents thought about me. There is a positive moment, to support morally and visually, well, so that the enemies had something to scratch in the newspapers tomorrow ......... but if he crashes there ......... then much can be lost.
    1. sailor52
      sailor52 23 February 2018 01: 42
      0
      More specifically, the Jews have a product promoted by the Americans in a niche created by American marketers in the fighter market called the “fifth generation F-35”.
      It's like American football: Americans did not want to play soccer and came up with their game.
      By the way, each such aircraft during its activity (about 30 years) will cost the state of Israel a trillion dollars (Y. Kedmi).
      1. MadCat
        MadCat 23 February 2018 09: 19
        +2
        Quote: sailor52
        By the way, each such aircraft during its activity (about 30 years) will cost the state of Israel a trillion dollars (Y. Kedmi).

        comrade are you healthy? Trillion? the entire program of 1200 aircraft plus maintenance for 30 years costs 1,2 trillion. You are careful there with numbers, this is clearly not yours. laughing
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  40. leonid-zherebtcov
    leonid-zherebtcov 23 February 2018 02: 35
    0
    I agree ... That's right.
  41. Siberia M 54
    Siberia M 54 23 February 2018 04: 48
    0
    I agree that the newest SU-57 needs to be tested in real combat conditions. I hope the equipment will prove its worth!
  42. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 23 February 2018 05: 29
    0
    The drlo plane is simply just one legally capable one, and it’s taken to maintenance regularly.



    And they want to test new airplanes. This is also a good thing.
  43. P0LYM
    P0LYM 23 February 2018 06: 33
    0
    hmm ... it seems they will soon meet in the air ... Raptor and Su-57 ...
  44. kamski
    kamski 23 February 2018 11: 18
    +3
    The next PR before the upcoming “ELECTIONS” there are no such problems to solve. These planes are still far from being tested in combat conditions, and what are they going to test there !!! We should expect another screech over the ZOMBOUSHCHIK that everyone is afraid of us that NO ANALOGUES, etc., etc. They will feed a certain audience in the country with shovels before the “ELECTION”
  45. Xscorpion
    Xscorpion 23 February 2018 11: 42
    +2
    Quote: Borzikov
    Syria, one such “stealth” F-22 greatly disgraced the Russian airborne forces and air defense, taking advantage of the terrain, went point blank to two Russian SU-25 attack aircraft, imitating the attack, and our pilots saw it only when he himself began to attract their attention by shooting thermal traps and crossing courses. Despite the fact that neither Russian nor Syrian air defense did not see him before that. And only when the pilots of the attack aircraft complained of his actions, the unsuspecting SU-35, located in the same area at an altitude of 10 thousand meters and performing tasks to cover these attack aircraft, came to his senses and "rushed" to the offender, "quickly entering the back hemisphere "to F-22, after which he" retreated. " Well, what was left for him to do, he completed the task, "conditionally destroyed the link of the attack aircraft and it’s time to retire.


    This vaunted stealth tried to sneak up to the Rooks, but ran into the Su-35, which took him into the sight, as a result the lizard had to rush hastily, firing off heat traps. That's how it was, and this incident was less than a minute in time.
  46. turbris
    turbris 23 February 2018 12: 43
    0
    [quote = kamski] These planes are still far from being tested in combat conditions, and what are they going to test there !! [/ qu Are you serious? Do you know the test program? Then sound what it is on
  47. turbris
    turbris 23 February 2018 12: 49
    0
    Quote: kamski
    These planes are still far from being tested in combat conditions, and what are they going to test there !!!

    Are you serious about this? Do you know the test program? Then introduce us at what stage it is now? And if you don’t know, then stop bearing all nonsense, based only on your conclusions.
  48. Whisper
    Whisper 23 February 2018 17: 53
    0
    The main thing is that these dryers do not fall there themselves and that they are not brought down there. Otherwise, it will be a complete kapets ... to be honest, the risks are huge.
  49. internal enemy
    internal enemy 23 February 2018 19: 54
    +1
    Well, as I understand it, the United States will soon become part of the Russian Federation ...
  50. LMN
    LMN 24 February 2018 12: 24
    +3
    MOSCOW, February 24 - RIA News. Two more fifth-generation fighter Su-57 arrived at the Russian base in Khmeimim, now there are four aircraft of this model, writes Sputnik Arabic with reference to local media.