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MIG Corporation is ready to proceed with the order of the Ministry of Defense for the MiG-35

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The Russian Aircraft Corporation "MiG" expects this year to begin fulfilling the order for the MiG-35 for the Russian Air Force, the Interfax-AVN reports, citing the statement of the company's general director Ilya Tarasenko.


Last year we successfully completed its (MiG-35) factory tests, carried out a complete reconstruction of our production and are ready to fulfill the volumes that the Ministry of Defense will need. I think that already this year the company will begin to fulfill a new order.
- told reporters Tarasenko.

MIG Corporation is ready to proceed with the order of the Ministry of Defense for the MiG-35


On Wednesday, Tarasenko and chairman of the Federation Council Committee on Defense and Security, former commander of the Russian Aerospace Force Viktor Bondarev, visited the Nizhny Novgorod aircraft manufacturing plant Sokol (a branch of the RSK MIG).

The plant completed the task in time for 2017 year. There is no doubt that what is planned for this period will also be fulfilled in 2018.
- noted Bondarev.

Everyone understands that the MiG-35 is our future. This is a wonderful car, it must be in the ranks and must protect the sky of our Motherland
- he stressed.

Bondarev familiarized himself with the production sites of the enterprise and held a working meeting with the RSC management on the plant’s implementation of the modernization programs for the MiG-31 interceptor and the launch of the units for the new multi-purpose MiG-35 fighter.
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  1. Rotmistr
    Rotmistr 21 February 2018 16: 28
    +18
    It's a good news
    God grant
    1. 210ox
      210ox 21 February 2018 16: 49
      +3
      This "brand" must be preserved by any means. I mean not just a brand.
      Quote: Rotmistr
      It's a good news
      God grant
      1. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 22 February 2018 19: 29
        0
        Quote: 210ox
        This "brand" must be preserved by any means. I mean not just a brand.

        Dear 210okv, be sure to save !!! But not a "brand", not a brand, but the design bureau itself with all its attendant structure.
    2. Maz
      Maz 21 February 2018 21: 07
      +1
      In a good way, envy of enemies and partners
  2. Radikal
    Radikal 21 February 2018 16: 34
    +1
    Is it double, or is it a “spark” in the photo? winked
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 21 February 2018 18: 24
      +1
      Quote: Radikal
      Is it double, or is it a “spark” in the photo? winked

      In fact, it is double, but can be converted into a single in the field with the installation of an additional tank. Flight range is increased by 500-600 km.
    2. NEXUS
      NEXUS 21 February 2018 22: 15
      +7
      Quote: Radikal
      Is it double, or is it a “spark” in the photo? winked

      Single - MIG-35, "spark" MIG-35D. Apparently, our MO will purchase a single version initially. Or combined.
    3. EvilLion
      EvilLion 22 February 2018 08: 22
      0
      One of the prototypes is double. Perhaps they managed to unify them as much as possible, unlike the Soviet MiG-29UB, which did not even have a radar.
  3. ancestors from Don
    ancestors from Don 21 February 2018 16: 41
    +3
    I look at the MIGs, a really beautiful bird and flies beautifully.
  4. Imh
    Imh 21 February 2018 16: 41
    +2
    Good car. The right thing.
    1. okko077
      okko077 21 February 2018 19: 18
      +2
      This is not a combat aircraft, it is a dove of peace, a flight aircraft for entertainment ....
      A combat aircraft is a means of delivering weapons (bombs, missiles ......).
      The fact that he is double and the "brand" must be preserved - it is understandable. But here Flight range is increased by 500-600 km. - this means that the combat radius to increase by 170-200 km compared to the MIG 29 is critically small?! Not without reason the small radius of the MIG -29 is the only one, but they called it a critical drawback: it’s a fighter of gaining superiority over short-range drive .. .
      Maybe this is a mistake? Probably not! Not without reason in all open sources there is no information about the combat radius of the MIG-35 .... and this tale about the tank instead of the second pilot ...
      And now, see the data from various open sources about the MIG-35:
      - empty weight - 11000 kg;
      - curb weight 17500 kg;
      - normal take-off weight 17500 kg;
      - combat radius with normal take-off weight 1000 km;
      - fuel weight in internal tanks - 5350 kg ...
      So the normal net weight is even almost without missiles, it turns out that the curb weight and normal net weight are the same ??? It does not happen, gentlemen cheaters ....
      We don’t even need such a dove of peace or too “clean” fighter ... It’s impossible to use it as a strike or ship .... It was not for nothing that the USSR Air Force said that it was the machinations of the Migov Jews and they did it on purpose, but now how? .. .
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 21 February 2018 21: 26
        +9
        Quote: okko077
        This is not a combat aircraft, it is a dove of peace, a flight aircraft for entertainment ....

        Come on ... what, seriously?
        Quote: okko077
        The fact that it is double and the “brand" must be preserved is understandable. But the flight range is increased by 500-600 km. - This means that the combat radius will increase by 170-200 km compared to MIG 29 - is this critically small ?!

        Why are you smoking there? We look and carefully read ..
        MIG-35-Radius with normal combat load: 1000 km
        Flight range without refueling: with PTB 3500 km
        MIG-29-with 100% fuel: 1430 km (i.e. a radius of about 800 km)
        with 2 PTB: 2100 km
        Now by weight ...
        MIG-35-empty: 11000 kg
        normal take-off weight: 17500 kg
        maximum take-off weight: 29700 kg
        MIG-29-
        empty: 10900 kg
        normal take-off weight: 15180 kg
        maximum take-off weight: 18480 kg
        Further, according to the speeds ..
        MIG-35-
        Maximum speed:
        at height: 2560 km / h
        at the ground: 1450 km / h
        MIG-29-
        Maximum speed:
        at the ground: 1500 km / h (M = 1,26)
        at height: 2450 km / h (M = 2,3)
        Cruising speed: 850 km / h (M = 0,8)
        This is despite the fact that the 35th is well heavier than the 29th.
        Quote: okko077
        It is impossible to use it as a shock or ship ....

        That is, that this multipurpose is not taken into account and that he has an arsenal both on the ground and in the air?
        1. okko077
          okko077 21 February 2018 22: 02
          0
          NEXUS, weak! Add to the empty fuel weight in the internal tanks: 11000+ 5350 = 16350; you now understand that the 17500 is an empty aircraft without weapons and it has a combat radius of only 1000 km .....
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 21 February 2018 22: 24
            +7
            Quote: okko077
            NEXUS, weak! Add to the empty fuel weight in the internal tanks: 11000+ 5350 = 16350; you now understand that the 17500 is an empty aircraft without weapons and it has a combat radius of only 1000 km .....

            Can we read?
            MIG-35-Range with normal combat load: 1000 km

            BATTLE LOAD, CARL! That is armed.
            What is he empty to the devil? fool
            Empty, it has massMIG-35-empty: 11000 kg
            What are you talking about, dear?
            And by the way...
            The data on the radius of combat use of the MiG-35 by the developer are not disclosed, it is only indicated that it has been increased by 50% compared to its predecessor (MiG-29M / M2), said Sergey Korotkov, the general designer of the corporation. during the official presentation of the aircraft on January 27, 2017 in Lukhovitsy. According to the official data of MiG-RSK, the flight range of the MiG-29M fighter is 1800-2000 km, and that of the MiG-29M2 is 1600-1700 km. Therefore, even if we take the minimum range of the MiG-29M2 of 1600 km as the initial value, then the MiG-35 has a flight range of 2400 km.
            The unified head of the aircraft allows you to quickly re-equip the cockpit for the installation of an additional fuel tank, which further expands the capabilities of the aircraft (can be used as a tanker) and increases the flight range up to 3000 km.

            And these are sparks, that is, the MIG-35D.
          2. NEXUS
            NEXUS 21 February 2018 22: 53
            +9
            Quote: okko077
            that 17500 is an empty aircraft without weapons and it has a combat radius of only 1000 km .....

            How can there be an airplane without weapons, while you are talking about BATTLE RADIUS? M
            Now we read what is the maximum or distillation range ...
            Maximum or distillation - this is the greatest distance that an aircraft can travel in one direction, at the best possible speed and with fuel tanks as full as possible (including outboard tanks).
            Tactical radius - the maximum distance at which the plane (helicopter), the aviation unit can solve the problem with the installed fueling, given mode and flight profile. Typically, the tactical range is 0,35-0,4 flight ranges. This includes maneuvers, deviations, envelope relief, if necessary ... generally not in a straight line.
            That is, if we are talking about the combat radius, then we must talk about the mass of the same MIG-35D not at 17500 kg, or empty at 11000 kg, but at full combat load, -29700 kg. And then we get about 1000-1200 km-RADIUS BATTLE USE. And in the single-seat version, it will be 200-300 km more.
            1. okko077
              okko077 22 February 2018 00: 37
              +1
              You are poorly versed in aviation and have no idea what you are talking about ... If the MIG-35 has completely completely filled internal tanks, filled in all gases and liquids, equipped with a brake parachute ... and not loaded guns and not suspended bombs and missiles and sent with pilots when flying along the route, he will be able to work in a radius of up to 1000 km .. At full combat load and take-off weight of 29700, this radius will be much smaller or you will have to hang tanks instead of bombs and missiles, while the weight of ammunition will be significantly reduced, and the radius will be everything equal to about 1000 km.
              So in the strike version, when working on the ground, the radius will be less ... I don’t argue with you, I’ll explain to you ... And even without ammunition during a variable flight with altitude maneuvers and afterburner maneuvers, taking into account the emergency balance during landing without considering the possible departure to the alternate airfield, the combat radius (in this case, just the flight radius) is 1000 km advertising figure ...
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 22 February 2018 01: 02
                +8
                Quote: okko077
                You are poorly versed in aviation and have no idea what you are talking about ... If the MIG-35 has completely completely filled internal tanks, filled in all gases and liquids, equipped with a brake parachute ... and not loaded guns and not suspended bombs and missiles and sent with pilots flying the route, then he will be able to work in a radius of up to 1000 km

                Am I poorly versed? You are sitting here write frank nonsense, and then with an intelligent face of an expert you are trying to squeeze something out?
                What kind of BATTLE RADIUS is to the devil, if the fighter is fueled, but is not equipped with an arsenal? Where will it fly into this combat radius? Ram the enemy? fool Take utter nonsense and don’t even be ashamed of it.
                Quote: okko077
                At full combat load and take-off weight of 29700, this radius will be much smaller

                For those who are in the tank, the designer clearly said that the range, as well as the radius of the MIG-35, was increased in comparison with the last modification of the 29th by 50%. What is not clear then? Why are you making a hunchbacked thing?
                Quote: okko077
                combat radius (in this case, just the flight radius) - 1000 km advertising figure ...

                A curtain. wassat Now this is an advertisement. laughing Carefully read the words of the designer and do not write this nonsense anymore.
                1. okko077
                  okko077 22 February 2018 01: 47
                  +1
                  Which curtain? The teapot argues with a professional who has served in aviation for 25 years, reads and quotes "designer words" ... Read on, an amateur on the couch .... and you don’t have to stupid ... Instead of listening and remembering, he carries his book nonsense with a smart look ....
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 22 February 2018 02: 08
                    +8
                    Quote: okko077
                    Which curtain? The teapot argues with a professional who has served in aviation for 25 years, reads and quotes "designer words" ... Read on, an amateur on the couch .... and you don’t have to stupid ... Instead of listening and remembering, he carries his book nonsense with a smart look ....

                    Hear, pros ... you are sitting here fighting radius with just a confusing radius. Who are you treating?
                    If, in your opinion, the simple radius of the MIG-35 is 1000 km, then according to your Martian logic, in full combat load it will be one third less, that is, about 650-700 km ... F-35A, (single-engine) combat radius without PTB and refueling in the air 1080 km. WITHOUT PTB! At the same time, its mass is Curb 24350 kg, and according to your wretched logic, it is only filled with fuel. That is, the twin-engine MIG-35, which is simply fueled with a fuel weighing 17500 kg, flies less in your opinion than single-engine lightning, which is heavier? wassat
                    Who did you serve in aviation, cook or clerk?
                    1. EvilLion
                      EvilLion 22 February 2018 09: 57
                      0
                      At F-35 there is a persistence on the volume of internal tanks, it is obvious that the PTB stealth does not fail. It can not be directly compared with the MiG-35, or even with the equally-sized F / A-18E in this regard.
                    2. Okolotochny
                      Okolotochny 22 February 2018 11: 10
                      +4
                      Okko’s colleague simply suggests calculating the empty weight of 11 kg., The maximum weight of 000, the weight of the fuel is 17. Total out of 500 - 5 - 350 = 17 remains with the MiGA. Okko says it's weak.
                      1. okko077
                        okko077 22 February 2018 23: 12
                        0
                        And he will fly without pilots, without refueling and equipment of all systems ... Another "mathematician" flashed "erudition" ...
                  2. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 22 February 2018 02: 34
                    +7
                    Quote: okko077
                    Instead of listening and remembering, he carries his book nonsense with a smart look ...

                    Tactical or combat radius - the maximum distance at which the plane (helicopter), the aviation unit can solve the problem with installed fueling, set mode and flight profile.

                    Pilot-flyer, what problem can a plane solve by being filled only with fuel and not equipped with an arsenal? Crashing into a rock or a pilot can catapult ... fool
                    So what about the BATTLE RADIUS and the mass of the fighter during the mission, taking into account this very radius? M.
                    1. okko077
                      okko077 22 February 2018 03: 16
                      +1
                      NEXUS, what you want, you like and are interested in aviation is good .. But better keep quiet, your speculation is not just nonsense, it's complete nonsense ...
              2. Black Colonel
                Black Colonel 22 February 2018 01: 11
                0
                Respected! Stop smoking!
            2. EvilLion
              EvilLion 22 February 2018 09: 55
              0
              Full load - the value is purely theoretical and permissible, in which the developer guarantees that the plane does not fall apart. 8 An air-to-air missile, which is very fierce, for example, and will not come close to it.
          3. EvilLion
            EvilLion 22 February 2018 09: 51
            0
            “Total 1000 km” it is for all cars of a similar dimension. X)
        2. EvilLion
          EvilLion 22 February 2018 09: 50
          0
          You just wrote that the MiG-35’s empty take-off weight is only 100 kg more than the MiG-29’s and you say right away that it’s “heavier”.

          The maximum take-off weight, usually, times in 2 exceeds the empty weight, maybe a little more. 29 tons of maximum for the MiG-35 is practically unattainable without a sharp increase in strength, wing area and therefore weight with loss of dynamic characteristics. 23-25 tons can still be believed. In reality, more than 2 tons will almost never be hung.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 22 February 2018 10: 17
            +7
            Quote: EvilLion
            You just wrote that the MiG-35’s empty take-off weight is only 100 kg more than the MiG-29’s and you say right away that it’s “heavier”.

            You are talking about the mass of an empty fighter, without fuel. And the seasoned MIG-35 weighs 17500 kg, against the seasoned (not the maximum weight) F-35 is 24350 kg, that is, almost 7 tons of difference. Therefore, I said, it’s heavier.
            With this weight, tucked and as okko077 claims, the MIG-35 (17500 kg) has a combat radius of 1000 km, compared to 1080 km for the F-35 (24350 kg).
            Although he didn’t answer to me what kind of BATTLE task a fighter can perform without an arsenal, given that okko077 uses the term BATTLE RADIUS.
            1. EvilLion
              EvilLion 22 February 2018 14: 20
              +1
              Well, when comparing with the F-35, it must be taken into account that he had eaten a belly, but 2 bombs of 905 kg and 2-4 rockets, he will pick up the belly, which means the LTX drawdown will be much lower than that of the MiG-35 if you suspend weapons on it.

              On the whole, the 1000 km of the combat radius at high altitude for the MiG-35 looks extremely unlikely, resistance from weapons and fuel supply, for example, to air combat, will radically reduce it.
      2. NN52
        NN52 21 February 2018 21: 30
        +11
        okko077

        Well, you got it, your incompetence and old age ...
        And refueling in the air doesn’t tell you anything?
        Stop talking nonsense ...
        More Jews sailed ///
        1. okko077
          okko077 21 February 2018 21: 57
          +1
          Besides emotions, nothing more !!! Don’t be so nervous, nobody got you .....
        2. Okolotochny
          Okolotochny 22 February 2018 16: 35
          +4
          Got ..... OLD !!! laughing good Japatsstalom!
      3. EvilLion
        EvilLion 22 February 2018 09: 37
        0
        5350 kg in the internal tanks is actually even slightly larger than that of competitors of a similar dimension.

        At the same time, the full refueling of the MiG-29 is only 3300 kg. The MiG-29M had 4000 kg, the MiG-35 wiki gives EMNIP 4800 kg. The growth is one and a half times and the range, respectively, grows by at least a third. And yes, a third is just 500-600, about 2000 km against 1500 for the MiG-29. Typical value for a fighter with an empty weight of 9-11 tons.

        Normal take-off weight for vehicles of this class is given with 2 missiles like P-73, or AIM-9. For Su-27, the normal take-off weight is 23 tons with something and is given for standard refueling (EMNIP in 5400 kg) and weapons from 2 missiles R-27 and 2 R-73.

        You do not understand what you are carrying, please do not carry it anymore.
        1. okko077
          okko077 22 February 2018 09: 51
          0
          Do not be so critical, you forgot to compare the characteristics of the engines, and the main ones characterizing its effectiveness! Maybe better not?
          1. EvilLion
            EvilLion 22 February 2018 10: 19
            +1
            If we compare the RD-33 with the engines from F-16, then the RD-33, suddenly, has a large bypass ratio, which implies greater efficiency, which is confirmed by the data on consumption.

            But in general, we are talking about machines for similar purposes, similar LTX and almost the same generation and technological level, respectively, and the main components they have similar characteristics, somewhere more, somewhere less, depending on priorities and layout, but the difference there is not tens of percent. Especially on the engines, which are now all close to the ceiling and the designers are fighting to squeeze the last percent. It would be compared with the MiG-31, which 20 tons refueling, and flies even closer than the similar in weight Su-27 with half the supply of kerosene, it would be wrong, but the MiG-31 is a fundamentally different plane, optimized for other tasks .

            And the reality is that for a fighter with an empty weight of about 10 tons and a maximum speed in afterburning modes of 2000-2500 km / h, it is completely typical to have a fuel reserve of 4-5 tons and a flight range with it of about 2000 km. And the MiG-35 does not stand out. MiG-29 stood out. For the worse.

            But the difference between 1500 and 2000 km, if we assume that you need to fly on 500 km, then roughly speaking it turns out, forward 500, back 500, in the first case, fuel for battle, etc., remains on 500 km (not real kilometers, After all, you will need fast and the furious in battle), in the second on 1000. The difference in fuel supply for the actual battle is twofold. And this is a hell of a lot, and the pilot does not care at all, maybe he will remain in battle for 5 minutes, or 10. And whether he will be able to leave in afterburner, or he will plop before 100 km reaches the base.
  5. Odysseus
    Odysseus 21 February 2018 16: 51
    +2
    In my opinion, it was more logical to upgrade the Lower for the production of Su-57 in parallel with Komsomolsky.
    Small-scale production of the Mig-35 (for export promotion) should be left in Lukhovitsy.
    1. Tektor
      Tektor 21 February 2018 17: 24
      0
      There it is necessary to make a heavy shock DRON on the basis of the MiG-35 and release it in mass circulation. Instead of pilots with a cockpit - fuel tanks to increase speed / range.
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 21 February 2018 22: 32
        0
        Quote: Tektor
        There it is necessary to make a heavy shock DRON on the basis of the MiG-35 and release it in mass circulation.

        About the need for shock drones, I agree. A moment may well do them. But on the basis of the Mig-35, IMHO, this is not real. No one has yet made drone-based UAVs based on fighter jets, and one of the main requirements for UAVs is low ESR.
      2. EvilLion
        EvilLion 22 February 2018 10: 26
        0
        If you remove the pilot, there is so much free there that the plane is reduced radically, no tanks will be needed instead of a cockpit. It will be excessive.
    2. dauria
      dauria 21 February 2018 21: 25
      +2
      In my opinion, it was more logical to modernize the Lower ...


      At least they will take over the plant. In the old days, the MiG-31 was baked at 17 per month, plus 21 bis to the Indians. And Drying, because the manufacturing technology of the airframe is very different, it may not make sense to set up new lines and production if Komsomolsk copes with the series (yes, probably without straining, judging by the quantity)
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 21 February 2018 22: 37
        +1
        Quote: dauria
        At least something will occupy the plant

        In this context, you can’t argue. But it is better that they occupy the plant with something really useful for the Air Force.
        Quote: dauria
        And Drying, because the manufacturing technology of the airframe is very different, maybe it makes no sense to put new lines and production

        It differs, the transition to the Su-57 will require a lot of modernization.
        Quote: dauria
        Komsomolsk copes (yes, probably without straining, judging by the number

        Well, while there is no quantity at all, but if the Su-57s are to be produced at the same pace as the Su-35s are now about 10 a year, then yes, they can handle it.
        But, IMHO, these rates are unsatisfactory. If, however, for the Air Force to order at least 300 aircraft then 2 plants will be needed.
      2. EvilLion
        EvilLion 22 February 2018 10: 33
        0
        According to 17 per month, this is 17 * 12 = 204 machines per year, all of which 600 pieces were built over the years for 10. Maybe peak what month?

        Komsomolsk still makes exports, the Chinese, Indonesians have still decided to buy it.
    3. NEXUS
      NEXUS 21 February 2018 21: 32
      +7
      Quote: Odyssey
      Small-scale production of the Mig-35 (for export promotion) should be left in Lukhovitsy.

      And what about the park of the 29s? Or will we limit ourselves to a small series of 12 35-side boards to replace 200 MIG-29s of various modifications?
      We have a strong bias in the number of heavy fighters to light. And it should be vice versa. On one heavy, two light fighters. And we have only the SU-30 about 120 pieces and about 60-SU-35 ... I will not say anything about the SU-27.
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 21 February 2018 23: 01
        +3
        Quote: NEXUS
        And what about the park of the 29s? Or will we limit ourselves to a small series of 12 35-side boards to replace 200 MIG-29s of various modifications?

        For what we are changing now - on the Su-30 SM.No 200 MiG-29s, alas, are already gone. 9-12 and 9-13 all, there were only flight boards in Erebuni and a little in Morozovsk. Moreover, the Kursk regiment (with SMT) is already being replaced with the Su-30.
        The production of the Mig-35 is reasonable only in terms of export promotion. Especially with SCHAR. And the first serial boards will be with him.
        Quote: NEXUS
        And we have only the SU-30 about 120 pieces and about 60-SU-35 ... I will not say anything about the SU-27.

        There are no Su-27 P-flyers, the Su-27 C is still there, but after only 2-3 years everything. Only 60 SM and 14 SM3 remained. Moreover, SM also will not survive for a long time - the old ones. Therefore, by the way, in order to maintain trousers, Komsomolsk again began to remake the freshest of the Soviet sides in CM3.
        We have many types, and we have few aircraft.
        Quote: NEXUS
        We have a strong bias in the number of heavy fighters to light. And it should be the other way around. For one heavy, two light fighters.

        I am a big fan of the Mig-29, but objectively, the time for its modernization, alas, is lost.
        In addition, it was originally a specific aircraft designed for a global war with NATO on a European theater of operations. For such a war in the 80s, it was very good, although even then it lacked range.
        But in reality, when you need to cover large areas of Russia with a small number of planes and you need multi-purpose aircraft, you don’t need it. But if you could still attach the Mig-90M in the early 29s, now the Air Force, for example, does not really understand that to do with 16 newly built boards of SMT (made to maintain the plant).
        Perhaps if a series of boards were 300-400 and with AFAR (like the Chinese with the J-10) then it would make sense. But this obviously will not happen.
        It is more reasonable to increase the number of boards for the relevant and necessary Su-57 program than to spend energy and resources on a small number of Mig-35 aircraft.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 22 February 2018 00: 56
          +7
          Quote: Odyssey
          For what we are changing now, on the Su-30 SM.

          Aren't you embarrassed by the fact that we change LFIs to heavy MFIs? No?
          Quote: Odyssey
          No 200 Mig-29,

          There were about 200 units and this park needs to be filled with something. And certainly not heavy IFIs, which are a priori more expensive.
          Quote: Odyssey
          The production of the Mig-35 is reasonable only in terms of export promotion.

          The MIG-35 production is reasonable, as it was reasonable at the time to put the SU-30 series, as it was necessary to quickly update the fleet of heavy fighters, which were stupidly aging and no longer met the requirements of new threats and tasks. That is why we now have over 100 of them. But the SU-35 appeared, which is better, more maneuverable, and more expensive, because the series is still not comparable with the 30s ... after 5 years, the SU-30 will go more for export than to our VKS, and the SU-35 will occupy a niche the main heavy IFI for the next 10 years, while the SU-57 will be brought to mind taking into account military use.
          And the niche of light fighters is empty, because the 29th are getting old and need updating to an equivalent fighter, and not to a heavy IFI.
          Quote: Odyssey
          I am a big fan of the Mig-29, but objectively, the time for its modernization, alas, is lost.

          You are mistaken. The MIG-35 is not quite a modernization of the 29th, but its complete alteration, including the airframe, which is strengthened and has more composites and some requirements for stealth are taken into account. That is, in fact, the 35th is a new fighter, with related roots on the 29th.
          And now you question-SU-35 objectively outdated? After all, the SU-27 is already in operation for about 40 years. At the same time, even in the SU-35 even a glider was redone, this can be seen with the naked eye.
          Quote: Odyssey
          In addition, it was originally a specific aircraft designed for a global war with NATO on a European theater of operations. For such a war in the 80s, it was very good, although even then it lacked range.

          The range, as stated by the designer at MIG-35, is close to heavy MFIs. And with the increase in the series and the price is optimized.

          Quote: Odyssey
          Perhaps if a series of boards were 300-400 and with AFAR (like the Chinese with the J-10) then it would make sense. But this obviously will not happen.

          Why would it? What is the MIG-35 is clear and understandable. He repeats all the same as the SU-35, while the SU-57 is run in and brought to mind. KB MIG is developing a lightweight 5th generation fighter, but what is all the technology and components to run around? That's right, on the MIG-35, as in the past, much was tested and implemented in the SU-57 for the SU-35.
          Quote: Odyssey
          It is wiser to increase the number of boards for the current and desired program-Su-57

          Not wiser ... both from an economic point of view, so tactically and from any other. The SU-57 fighter is expensive, and it will not be bought in large batches in the next 10 years or even more (the purchase will be in small batches). Chasing a heavy IFI, be it the SU-35 or SU-30 or the same SU-57, to missions that a light fighter can handle is expensive, not far-sighted, and just plain stupid.
          I repeat, we need a light fighter, and in this case, we stupidly have no choice but to put on the MIG-35 series, so that later a generation 5 LFI appears.
          1. lazy
            lazy 22 February 2018 15: 55
            +1
            the territory is huge, and airfields have been shortened, a fighter of a large radius is needed for a moment, it doesn’t pull it at a price not much cheaper than the Su-35, and you can’t call it a light fighter by weight, in fact it’s not a Russian air force, it would be suitable for small countries, but for how long we will be steaming an airplane which, by its silhouette, is an airplane from the 80s of the last century, in fact, the planes are not bought by the military, but by politicians, but to them the newer the model looks the more modern. In addition to the Russian air force, Vangayu will buy it only on related loans issued by the Russian Federation. It would be better if they really developed a new LFI, so that it was at least 2 times cheaper than the Su-57.
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 22 February 2018 18: 47
              +7
              Quote: lazy
              the territory is huge, and airdromes have been reduced,

              The aircraft is suitable for basing and operation in conditions of partially damaged runways, as well as near the combat contact line. A fighter can take off from a runway just 190 meters long. Reinforced chassis racks can withstand impact on protruding ribs of concrete slabs up to 10 cm high or rough landing.

              The aircraft is fully adapted for storage without hangar at an ambient temperature of -45o to + 50oС in any climatic zones and at high altitude airfields located at altitudes of up to 3500 m.

              He doesn’t need that much ...
              Quote: lazy
              at a price slightly cheaper than the su-35

              Because there is no big series yet ... with an increase in the series, the price will be adapted.
              Quote: lazy
              but how long will we push the plane which in silhouette the plane from the 80s of the last century,

              And why didn’t the silhouette please you? Or do you want it to look like an F-117? The SU-35 also resembles the SU-27 in silhouette, but this does not prevent it from being one of the best fighters in the world.
              Quote: lazy
              It would be better if they really developed a new LFI, so that it was at least 2 times cheaper than the Su-57.

              And what technology to order? On the 29th that are getting old? The MIG-35 is a new machine and will be further developed and improved. The SU-27 was also a very controversial fighter with many problems at first, but some time passed and it became the best in its class in the world. Like AK .. there was AK-46,47, even AK-48 (if sclerosis doesn’t matter to me), after AK-74 and so on ... the weapon is being improved and modernized all its life. And the MIG-35 is no exception.
        2. EvilLion
          EvilLion 22 February 2018 10: 37
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          There is a situation with SM3, apparently, such that everyone does not care. And the plant and Moscow region. Even if the plant flies something, half a dozen old airplanes will not do the weather, even they will scold the maximum for disruption of work, but if it is a Su-35 or SSJ file, they’ll remove its head and chair. Accordingly, all the forces on novya, and trash sorting on the residual principle.
          1. Odysseus
            Odysseus 23 February 2018 02: 38
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            Quote: EvilLion
            Accordingly, all the forces on novya, and trash sorting on the residual principle.

            This is understandable. But there are few boards, so we use resources to the maximum. If something can be redone in CM3, this is redone. I think it's right.
        3. EvilLion
          EvilLion 22 February 2018 10: 40
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          MiG-29СМТ 3 units have flown to Syria, or to stand at the war, but most likely to participate. They will find use, there are too few aircraft to even scatter.

          J-10 AFAR received? It is when?
          1. Odysseus
            Odysseus 23 February 2018 02: 49
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            Quote: EvilLion
            MiG-29SMT 3 pieces flew to Syria, or to stand at the war, but most likely to participate.

            This is the strategy of the commander-in-chief. They sent everyone through Syria. They even sent Kuznetsov)) Now they sent the Su-57 to real launches. SMT is no exception. But it’s just right for the Syrian theater.
            Quote: EvilLion
            They will find use, there are too few aircraft to even scatter.

            Yes, our thrifty generals, formally they don’t even write off 9-13, they aren’t in combat regiments anymore, but there are boards with residual resources in training regiments both in Lipetsk and in Volga. Just in case ....
            But now the SMT of the new building of the Ministry of Defense scratched its head on what to do with this miracle, the technicians were sent to their colleagues in the Volga border with Kazakhstan to guard ..... I believe that the fate of the MiG-35 will be the same, part of the Strizh’s sides for showing to foreigners, part will go to Volga instead of 9-13, well, or to Erebuni.
            This is all, of course, nice, but I don’t see any reason in the conditions of limited resources to produce them even in the Lower. We would have more Su-57 and integrate them with other military systems in a single complex. That would be the case.
          2. Odysseus
            Odysseus 23 February 2018 02: 56
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            Quote: EvilLion
            J-10 AFAR received? It is when?

            Since 2015, in the modification S. More precisely, in 2015 there was the first flight of this modification.
            I don’t know the power and number of anti-ballistic missiles. I don’t think there are any particularly cool indicators there. But the fact itself is there.
      2. EvilLion
        EvilLion 22 February 2018 10: 31
        +2
        There should be an air force solving the problem as efficiently as possible. Machines weighing about 10 tons do not contribute to this because of the range. They would be relevant in a situation where there are so many airplanes that each regiment is assigned an extremely limited area of ​​responsibility, while the need for the transfer of vehicles is sharply reduced.
  6. Berkut24
    Berkut24 21 February 2018 20: 54
    +1
    After factory tests must pass state. Which go much longer and in completely different conditions. So it's a little early to uncork a bottle.
  7. Radikal
    Radikal 21 February 2018 22: 52
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    Quote: IMH
    Good car. The right thing.

    To sparring with yours? wassat
  8. Lexus
    Lexus 22 February 2018 00: 46
    +3
    MIG Corporation is ready to proceed with the order of the Ministry of Defense for the MiG-35

    Nice plane, but late for twenty years.
  9. EvilLion
    EvilLion 22 February 2018 08: 20
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    Well, proceed if given an order. But he, most likely, has still not been given, because it is not really necessary.
  10. Engineer
    Engineer 22 February 2018 08: 37
    +1
    Machine work level KB late 80s ...