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The CEC of the Russian Federation did not find violations in the coverage of Pavel Grudinin’s campaign in the media

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The Central Election Commission rejected the complaint of presidential candidate Pavel Grudinin on the progress of media coverage of his election campaign. CEC spokesman Nikolai Levichev noted that “no gross violations have been identified.”


Levichev:
We can talk only about individual roughness.


Pavel Grudinin and the Communist Party of the Russian Federation filed complaints to the CEC about how one-sidedly on federal TV channels (including Channel One and the Russia-1 TV channel) was being presented the course of his election campaign.

The CEC of the Russian Federation did not find violations in the coverage of Pavel Grudinin’s campaign in the media


The point is that literally in each of the plots devoted to the election campaign of Grudinin, the focus is not on his election program, but on the Swiss accounts of the candidate (closed or unclosed) and “deceived ex-employees of the Lenin State Farm”. It is noteworthy that before the registration of Pavel Grudinin as a candidate for the presidency, the deceived ex-employees practically did not show themselves in the information plan, and interest in their problems on the part of federal channels was zero. Now, the deceived have become almost the main newsmakers on the air of the main channels of the country when it comes to Pavle Grudinina and his participation in the presidential race.

Often in recent times it has come from the so-called activists and the Communist Party of the Russian Federation. The main complaint - “has the Communist Party really failed to raise its own party candidate?” At the same time, the same activists are silent about which party candidate, United Russia, the party “Fair Russia”, the LDPR (not counting Vladimir Zhirinovsky, who “cultivated” himself and not at all yesterday).
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  1. Azazelo
    Azazelo 21 February 2018 13: 57
    +15
    This Grudinin or stupid, which in itself excludes him from presidential candidates; or he intentionally (more likely) made himself a teflon candidate. And they did not banish him just to ensure the appearance, and so that the media did not lie that Putin was frightened of him.
    1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
      Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 21 February 2018 13: 59
      +70
      Quote: Azazelo
      This Grudinin or stupid, which in itself excludes him from presidential candidates; or he intentionally (more likely) made himself a teflon candidate. And they did not banish him just to ensure the appearance, and so that the media did not lie that Putin was frightened of him.

      Some kind of stream of consciousness. Grudinin immediately began on federal channels after the nomination of "watering". Moreover, a very good attitude to Sobchak on federal channels, to Zhirinovsky, Yavlinsky. Through the media they constantly tell what an oligarchy oligarch Grudinin is. A TV presenter and socialite Ksenia Sobchak has an income of three times more ...
      1. Loess
        Loess 21 February 2018 14: 10
        +13
        In my opinion, Sobchak is conducting an election campaign more honestly than Grudinin. She does not go away from answers to uncomfortable questions, does not bother with accounts. Yes, she’s not a passing candidate, but she looks more honest. As for such "dinosaurs" of the presidential race, they have too much experience to give rise to scandals.
        1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
          Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 21 February 2018 14: 17
          +41
          Here's an example article from the "Russian newspaper" about the authorities. Everything is official, and there are no questions to these successful ones. And to Grudinin is.
          “Olga Golodets, the Deputy Prime Minister, has a half share in the ownership of an 220 square meter apartment building in Switzerland and a third share in the ownership of an 250 square meter apartment in Italy. The head of the Ministry of the Caucasus has a 180 square meter apartment building in France, almost 34 hundred square meters of land and an apartment in 100 square meters. Minister Abyzov prefers Italy, where he rents a room in a country house. In the same country, Deputy Prime Minister Alexander Khloponin has a residential building with an area of ​​818 square meters and a land plot (8223 sq. meters.) And the Minister of Sports in his declaration indicated in joint ownership of an apartment in Spain with an area of ​​60,7 square meters.
          In the category of heads of factions, LDPR leader Vladimir Zhirinovsky won the first place — over 79 million rubles. All other leaders of the factions, whose level of earnings amounted to approximately 5-6 million for the year, were far behind him.
          21 State Duma deputy owns real estate abroad. The most popular country where declared houses and apartments of parliamentarians are located is Spain. So, the United Russia was told about housing in the Pyrenees by Andrey Baryshev, Konstantin Zatulin, Andrey Chernyshev, Arkady Ponomarev (three apartments), Alexander Bryksin.
          And, for example, the deputy from the United Russia faction, Yuri Oleinikov, was attracted by Bulgaria (two apartments in this country), and the communist Vladimir Blotsky was attracted by Great Britain. EP deputy and hockey player Vladislav Tretyak has two apartments in Latvia, his fellow colleague Sergei Sopchuk has an apartment and two garages in the Czech Republic. "
          https://rg.ru/2017/04/16/kreml-kabmin-sovfed-i-go
          sduma-otchitalis-o-dohodah-i-imushchestve.html
          1. Lexus
            Lexus 21 February 2018 14: 30
            +64
            Judging by how the "assiduous" media, officials, and judges "drown" against Grudinin, he is a truly worthy person and a serious presidential candidate. Your list of "lovers of foreign countries" in the power structures can be continued indefinitely - there are almost all of them there. They have long forgotten about the needs of the people, and about Russia, if the opportunity arises, they will forget. The only thing that worries them is that they "stole too much", incl. they didn’t take away “foreign goods,” and so that their “children” would live well “beyond the hill”.
            They are the "rats" and traitors of the Motherland, and the "ferret" is their godfather!
            Because everyone unanimously shouts "Hold the thief!" and poke at Grudinin.
            1. Pax tecum
              Pax tecum 21 February 2018 14: 43
              +24
              There is a serious site
              "People's Initiative" http://ni.kprf.ru/, on which any citizen of the Russian Federation can support one or another initiative.
              This is an Internet project of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation for the development of civil initiatives, which allows you to actually gain the required number of votes for consideration at the legislative level.
              The program of popular initiatives is far from a set of good wishes, but specific priority plan.

              Here is one of the latest initiatives:
              We demand participation in television debates of presidential candidates of the Russian Federation V.V. Putin and P.N. Grudinin! (petition)

              We, citizens of the Russian Federation, declare that Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin has not taken part in televised debates on federal channels with presidential candidates since 2000. We would like for Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, as a candidate for the presidency of the Russian Federation, to take part in televised debates on the federal channel with Pavel Nikolayevich Grudinin, thereby we would like to know which of the candidates we can cast our vote for. We would like both candidates to report on their activities in previous years, V.V. Putin for his presidential term and P.N. Grudinin for a term in the position of director of the State Farm named after Lenin. So that both candidates have the opportunity of free dialogue among themselves, asking questions in free form to each other and answering them, using their competent knowledge in solving problems of the economic development of the Russian Federation and solving international problems. Dear Vladimir Vladimirovich, support this initiative of the undersigned citizens of the Russian Federation by taking part in television debates on the federal channel with presidential candidate Pavel Nikolayevich Grudinin!

              The solution

              Voting for support of this initiative by the undersigned citizens of the Russian Federation on the issue of participation in television debates on the federal channel of the current President of the Russian Federation with presidential candidate Pavel Nikolayevich Grudinin!

              Expected Result

              Participation in the debate of the current President of the Russian Federation, Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, with Pavel Nikolayevich Grudinin on federal channels. People have a lot of questions that I would like to hear answers to. 

              Well, and who guesses ... what will happen?
              (The question is rather rhetorical No. )
              1. Nasrat
                Nasrat 21 February 2018 14: 46
                +12
                Objectively - Putin will chat with Grudinin ... anyway!
                I am not an adherent of Putin, if that! BUT! Grudinin is still a creation .... Where did the Communist Party find it? Although, what kind of Communist Party is it?
                The first impulse, when a new person appears in the hut. company, was joyfully received by me .... after listening to Chairman Grudinin - my goodness and it can become president of the Russian Federation? Ugh! negative
                1. Z_G_R
                  Z_G_R 21 February 2018 14: 51
                  +39
                  but I think that Putin will have nothing to say on the specifics) Something unintelligible will moo. Therefore, it does not participate in the elections that it will be necessary to speak without a piece of paper.
                  1. Nasrat
                    Nasrat 21 February 2018 14: 53
                    +17
                    This Grudinin will moo ... Putin for the imperial term, ate forty dogs, chatting without pieces of paper
                    1. Lexus
                      Lexus 21 February 2018 14: 56
                      +33
                      forty dogs ate

                      So let him go to South Korea while there is an opportunity. And the forty-first dog will take with him.
                      1. Nasrat
                        Nasrat 21 February 2018 15: 01
                        +9
                        So I do not mind! laughing tongue
                        Only the Grudinin duroshlyp is not necessary for president !!!
                        One gangster, replaced by another (but poor) - this is the height of idiocy !!!
                        -----------------------
                        Noteworthy:
                        All Navalny friends, adepts, rushed to Grudinin !!! bully
                    2. Z_G_R
                      Z_G_R 21 February 2018 14: 56
                      +22
                      when was the last time you saw Putin without pieces of paper? =)
                      1. Nasrat
                        Nasrat 21 February 2018 14: 58
                        +7
                        Quote: Z_G_R
                        when was the last time you saw Putin without pieces of paper? =)

                        13.02.18/14/55 at XNUMX:XNUMX ..
                        So what?
                    3. New Year day
                      New Year day 21 February 2018 15: 15
                      +20
                      Quote: Nasr
                      chatting without pieces of paper

                      that blundered that inside the country seams
                      1. Nasrat
                        Nasrat 21 February 2018 15: 18
                        +7
                        Quote: Silvestr
                        Quote: Nasr
                        chatting without pieces of paper

                        that blundered that inside the country seams

                        Who would argue ... Therefore, we will choose another talker? wassat And then repent again? Grudinin worse than hunchbacking with BNU will arrange life in the country ..
                      2. nemec55
                        nemec55 21 February 2018 21: 16
                        +1
                        that blundered that inside the country seams

                        I would say Schwanz and not seams
                    4. Sasha_Sar
                      Sasha_Sar 21 February 2018 15: 48
                      +16
                      It is enough to watch his last "prepared" press conference with journalists and the "dialogue" with the "people" using the video conference method. In addition to "water" for specific questions, there is nothing. I can only agree that the measures of influence on the local "princes" are instantaneous, but this is if it is necessary for the PR "guarantor".
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                3. New Year day
                  New Year day 21 February 2018 15: 14
                  +20
                  Quote: Nasr
                  Objectively - Putin will chat with Grudinin ... anyway!

                  never! Look at his conference, only on a piece of paper, like Leonid Ilyich!
                  1. Stirbjorn
                    Stirbjorn 21 February 2018 16: 35
                    +14
                    Quote: Silvestr
                    never! Look at his conference, only on a piece of paper, like Leonid Ilyich!

                    not just a mic in the ear where the prompter is broadcasting laughing
                4. Jack
                  Jack 21 February 2018 15: 14
                  +22
                  For UsRat. To yours: "... Objectively, Putin will chat with Grudinin ... anyway!" ******************************* ************
                  If only on a cheat sheet and with a prompter ...
                  Otherwise, why did he NEVER participate in the pre-election debate?
                  1. You Vlad
                    You Vlad 21 February 2018 16: 55
                    +7
                    Quote: Jack
                    Otherwise, why did he NEVER participate in the pre-election debate?

                    And you ask yourself a logical question! Why would he spend his time on this? what Why should he argue with all sorts of promises? He has such a credit of trust from the people that he can afford to spend his time on a business that is more useful for the country yes
                    1. Z_G_R
                      Z_G_R 21 February 2018 17: 05
                      +14
                      Well, I don’t know .. I would not say that a credit of trust is so big. In recent years, Putin has lost ground. So, it's time to go down from heaven to earth and like everyone else to a debate. Lost confidence, prove that doubts are groundless. And so no program. no debate around scandals and failures. Confidence is falling sooo fast.
                      1. You Vlad
                        You Vlad 21 February 2018 17: 31
                        +6
                        Quote: Z_G_R
                        Well, I don’t know .. I would not say that a credit of trust is so big.

                        Well, you don’t know, don’t say so yes
                        Quote: Z_G_R
                        In recent years, Putin has lost ground. So, it's time to go down from heaven to earth and like everyone else to a debate. Lost confidence, prove that doubts are groundless.

                        Well again, you don’t know, well, don’t write then crying
                        Under lost confidence belay
                        Rating for 70% fellow
                        I understand that it’s necessary to agitate somehow, so agitate, well, don’t be so without imposing on GDP yes
                        Tell me how good he is, glue all the walls in the city with his portraits, as we did! hi
                    2. Z_G_R
                      Z_G_R 21 February 2018 18: 44
                      +18
                      yeah .. 146% rating))) viewer of the 1st channel detective)))
                      1. You Vlad
                        You Vlad 21 February 2018 18: 46
                        +5
                        Quote: Z_G_R
                        yeah .. 146% rating))) viewer of the 1st channel detective)))

                        I was mistaken, there’s nothing to argue with you about, bye hi
                    3. Tatanka Yotanka
                      Tatanka Yotanka 21 February 2018 19: 13
                      +16
                      Quote: You Vlad
                      that he can afford to spend his time on a more useful business for the country

                      to promise is also a matter of which he clearly succeeded, he works straight for wear, barely manages to change the worn oars, what then does his team do ?, and where are the results comparable to the post-war years, modesty is clearly not his thing
                      Vladimir Putin "I don’t remember something that the post-war Soviet leadership, the leaders of the Soviet post-war worked as intensively as I or current President Dmitry Medvedev."
                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3K_srLKF6vY
                    4. Esoteric
                      Esoteric 22 February 2018 19: 14
                      +4
                      Quote: You Vlad
                      And you ask yourself a logical question! Why would he spend his time on this?

                      To sit in the president’s chair for another term ... belay
                    5. myrzilka
                      myrzilka 22 February 2018 23: 56
                      +1
                      Quote: You Vlad
                      And you ask yourself a logical question! Why would he spend his time on this?

                      Waste your precious time. At least so that the people who provided him with a credit of confidence in the past terms would listen to his plans for the further development of the country. But not according to the boomazeyka pre-printed by the press service, but given by the opponent online. I'd like to listen, and not just me.
                      Credit of trust)))) It was at 14 and at 15, when he publicly declared that they should suffer two years. People endured looking at rising prices and declining jobs and salaries. And now what is his credit of trust? Only the one that VTsIOM draws to him in the course of "sociological" surveys.
                      More useful business for the country? This is, for example, giving your son-in-law (former) a loan (from the bunkers of the NWF) in the amount of 1.75 billion dollars at 2% per annum. Although the market rate is 7%. As a guy, it was fabulously lucky! Coincidence? - I do not think)))) And the fact that I divorced my daughter (I divorced) is life-giving sanctions are to blame)))
                      Or, for example, calmly watch how Rospotreb cancels the embargo on the import of American and Canadian meat and eggs. These are, damn it, counter-sanctions are interesting.
                5. Stas157
                  Stas157 21 February 2018 16: 24
                  +34
                  Quote: Nasr
                  Objectively - Putin will chat with Grudinin ... anyway!

                  I noticed a long time ago that your comments are akin to your nickname, not very adequate. Has Putin ever talked to anyone? But he is wildly afraid of debate! What can’t you say about Grudinin, the professional talker Solovyov, as soon as he was hungry, did not attack Grudinin, as soon as he shut his mouth, Grudinin behaved himself with dignity! On the contrary, after this, Solovyov caused a strong dislike of his behavior among most people. They were not shy about this in the comments under the recording of this program on YouTube.
                  1. Nasrat
                    Nasrat 21 February 2018 16: 32
                    +8
                    You notice a lot of not what you need ....
                    Understand from what forces Grudinin goes to power, hiding behind the Communist Party (Zyuganov for his own interests) ...
                    The predicted loss of Grudinin will allow them to start the movement of the Maidan type (both Girkin, Kucherenko, and Boldyrev talk about it in almost plain text, it’s enough to familiarize themselves with their public statements on this subject) shouting “We have stolen votes.”

                  2. You Vlad
                    You Vlad 21 February 2018 17: 39
                    +1
                    Quote: Stas157
                    They were not shy about this in the comments under the recording of this program on YouTube.

                    Yes, we know Stas who is there not shy!
                    Are you talking about this program?
                    1. Stas157
                      Stas157 21 February 2018 18: 31
                      +11
                      Quote: you Vlad

                      Are you talking about this program?

                      Yes, about any! At least even take your video, have you seen comments under the video ?? Yes, there is a flurry of comments, and all for Grudinin! And not a single one for Putin !!! Nightingale from people also got the order. Did you watch these comments yourself? I think no. Otherwise, you would not have brought this video in your defense!
                  3. Okolotochny
                    Okolotochny 21 February 2018 19: 29
                    +11
                    He can chat. Are you here Stas against the oligarchs who plundered state property? One question, with what side did Grudinin turn out to own more than 40% of the state-owned millionaire state farm? Answer me? I’ll tell you - someone grabbed factories and wells, someone collective and state farms. Hence the foreign accounts and real estate of sons in the country of NATO. I agree with the comrade for Sobchak, she looks more honest than Grudinin. Although the dog is feminine and the common people do not care, but she is more honest. And you, for those who have been farming agriculture.
                    1. Stas157
                      Stas157 21 February 2018 21: 08
                      +14
                      Quote: Okolotochny
                      Are you here Stas against the oligarchs who plundered state property? One question, with what side did Grudinin turn out to own more than 40% of the state-owned millionaire state farm? Answer me?

                      Question to question! What is better, to vote For the "beggar" Guarantor who cherishes the oligarchs, or For the rich businessman who is against the oligarchs?
                      What is Grudinin guilty of before you? Did he rob someone? Took someone else's money? Break the law?
                      Putin and friends of the oligarchs establish criminal laws and regulations to legally rob people. Grudinin and the Communists want to change these rules towards a more equitable redistribution.
                      1. Okolotochny
                        Okolotochny 21 February 2018 21: 24
                        +9
                        In your post, and the answer to your question - the oligarchs stole factories, wells and industries. Such as your candidate collective farms, state farms. Tell me, can a simple person, even with the salary of a director (under the USSR), buy up almost half of the enterprise - a state-owned millionaire? Answer simply could or not? Your candidate is an ordinary mini oligarch, no better than them. They are also entrepreneurs, only its largest. They acquired their property as he did, only they have more. That's all. Almost all of the Russian Forbes units became rich themselves. The rest participated in the division of Soviet industry and agriculture, Grudinin among them.
                6. Bulrumeb
                  Bulrumeb 21 February 2018 16: 32
                  +10
                  Putin will chat with Grudinin ... anyway!

                  it’s exactly what he’s talking about; specifically questions, he pours water as a student in the liberal arts exam
              2. Varyag_0711
                Varyag_0711 21 February 2018 14: 51
                +21
                Pax tecum Today, 14: 43 ↑
                Well, and who guesses ... what will happen?
                I guess this melody with one note ... Nothing will happen! Putin will not come to the debate, and indeed he will. With whom to debate? With the clowns?
                The "debate", like the "election" itself, is for the complete suckers who still believe in Santa Claus and that Grudinin will come and happiness will come for everyone. Have you tried to work? They say sometimes it helps ...
                1. Z_G_R
                  Z_G_R 21 February 2018 15: 00
                  +34
                  Are you apparently an adherent of Medvedev? He advised that if there is not enough money for teachers to go into business), the mantra about "did not try to work" will still work for some time, but not for too long.
                2. Sasha_Sar
                  Sasha_Sar 21 February 2018 15: 59
                  +7
                  "The" debate ", like the" election "itself, is for the complete suckers who still believe in Santa Claus." Are you probably talking about a "guarantor"? The fact that our people in the overwhelming majority (at the genetic level) believes in a just "king" has no doubt. These are all “boyars” entirely bribe takers, and “father” he is not like that. You tolerate, he will do everything for you and intercede, not so later then. Fair?! Tired of hiccups to listen to Kisilev and Soloviev. True, I have not watched their programs for six months now.
                3. Bulrumeb
                  Bulrumeb 21 February 2018 16: 37
                  +17
                  I didn’t come up, found on the network
                  1. You Vlad
                    You Vlad 21 February 2018 17: 45
                    +10
                    Quote: Bulrumeb
                    I didn’t come up, found on the network

                    Troll memo

                    Instructions for the fighter of the invisible front (work on the forums)

                    Introduction

                    In order to convey the idea to the audience as best you can, you need to take a few preliminary steps for the patriots of Russia to take you for their own.

                    1. At every opportunity, mention in a positive manner the USSR and its leaders, especially I.V. Stalin. This will give you the broadest possibilities in the future. Publish memoirs of veterans, stories from the lives of heroes, links to military-historical topics.

                    2. Always compare the achievements of today's Russia with the achievements of the USSR. For 70 years, the USSR had both powerful industrial growth in the 30s and serious scientific achievements in the 70s. Combining this in one text, it is easy to prove the invalidity of any attempts to produce something in modern Russia.

                    3. If in modern Russia something was nevertheless managed to be developed or produced, immediately indicate that in the USSR it would be better, more, and would be produced.

                    For example, the best commentary on the first PAK FA flight looks like this: “Under Stalin, this plane would already be in the army.” He is patriotic, it is impossible to refute it and, most importantly, it completely levels the achievement of Russia in the eyes of the reader.

                    4. Compare all production in Russia with a well-chosen example from Soviet times. For example, the message about the number of new aircraft or tanks can be safely compared with the release of aircraft and tanks in 1942.

                    5. Always mean that all our neighbors want to attack us immediately. Remember the year 1941 more often. If you are considering a threat from China, unobtrusively hint that NATO will not stand aside.

                    6. Having earned a reputation as a patriot, you can proceed to more bold actions. For the smallest cause, demand the resignation of the minister, government, president. The phrases "Well, under Stalin, they would have been sitting / they would have already been shot"

                    7. Often accuse of lying. It is possible as unaddressed, such as "There are liars in the government", and it is targeted, in the style of "Putin - on 99% a liar."

                    After such preparation, much more people will trust you. If you just write something like “Ares is about to take off, and the Angara will never fly”, or “The T-80 is scrapped due to corruption,” you may simply be kicked out of the forum. If you preface this phrase with a story about the successes of the Soviet cosmonautics or the Red Army in the Second World War, even knowledgeable people will believe you.

                    Definitions and terms

                    1. Definitions and terms.

                    Russia is a country illegally owning mineral reserves on its territory that belong to the whole world.

                    “Kremlin paid agent” - any opponent who uses figures and facts to answer.

                    "United Russia on salary" - anyone who does not criticize the government on the forum.

                    “Western democracy” is an unattainable model, an ideal society, to which a country that illegally owns world mineral wealth should strive.

                    General recommendations

                    2. Try to use fewer numbers. Unfortunately, the numbers can be checked, and this will undermine your position. Do not use comparisons in percent - you can get confused.

                    My comment: Figures and facts undermine the position of “propaganda trolls” and liberals - this is serious. This is not just a propaganda device, it is a sign of weakness. They simply have nothing to cover with real positive figures and facts about our country.

                    2.1. If you still use numbers, never use Russian statistics - it cannot be correct by definition. Only American, Japanese and European statistics are correct.

                    2.2. Always use the saying that “statistics is one big lie”.

                    If the statistics in Rush show something bad, then it is true, but underestimated at least ten times. It is impossible to refute this statement, therefore use these objections whenever possible.

                    If you use American statistics, then you are saying exactly the opposite. Prove nothing. It is enough to call the opponent "paid United Russia party hirer".

                    2.3. If the opponent does not provide links - then call it unproven chatter. If the opponent uses links, then he is a “copy pasteur” and cannot say anything with his own head. Do not forget to insert the saying that statistics is one big lie, so there is no point in believing its numbers.

                    If the opponent answers briefly - blame him for a superficial coverage of the problem, and ignorance of the topic. If the opponent answers in a detailed and detailed way, then he is a boring pedant, and “there is no need to post such huge“ footcloths ”here - nobody reads them anyway” (C).

                    My comment: More interesting. Gentlemen, “trolls” are not even able to adequately discuss or answer opponents, but simply use the principle of “But Baba Yaga is against”.

                    2.4. Do not forget to call your opponent an “amateur”. A person rarely has encyclopedic knowledge in all areas. Therefore, if your opponent defeated you in the topic of armaments, then in the topic of economics, instead of answering the question about the growth of Russia's foreign exchange reserves, you can call him a T-34 tank specialist and change the topic of discussion because of his incompetence - “my last name is too known for me to tell you ”(C).

                    It does not matter that you understand the economy even worse than your opponent - the burden of justification lies on the accused.

                    2.5. If the opponent nevertheless presses you with some figures or facts, there always remains a universal remedy. Accuse the opponent that he did not see anything with his own eyes. But only on the Internet or in photographs. If the opponent saw with his own eyes Russian new tanks or planes, then he certainly did not see all the submarines (they are in different seas thousands of kilometers apart). So, boats exist only on paper! Similarly, the opponent could not see Russian missiles and nuclear weapons, he does not, and cannot be allowed. And he will have to agree that he did not see them. You won the argument! If I haven’t seen it, it means that they have rusted and rotted.

                    My comment: This is already completely beyond reason. In this case, the Eiffel Tower, the city of Berlin, the ostrich bird, etc. do not exist, since I did not see them with my own eyes either.

                    We remind you that even a very versatile opponent can not personally observe dozens of types of weapons, ships, aircraft, air defense. So, there will always be a hundred types of weapons and equipment that he did not see! That is, against his testimonies on several types of weapons, you always have as opposed to hundreds of types of weapons that he did not see, and where exactly is all the "horror."

                    The method is suitable not only for weapons. If the opponent is familiar with animal husbandry, then he probably doesn’t understand the cement industry, and if he does (still out of luck), then there are still dozens of technologies in radio electronics.

                    In principle, by brute force you can list all types of industries in a row, your opponent will not find something to object to at once (or he will get bored). So you won the argument again.

                    2.6. Do not forget to declare your victory. It is desirable many times in a row.

                    Later you can always insert a reminder of this “victory” in any other topic, for example, GLONASS. Let the opponent refute and prove again that in the topic about T-90 export tanks a month ago, he could not prove with documents that Turkish cement does not occupy 40% of the market in Russia, but only 1%.

                    2.7. Any positive statement about Russia, about its army or navy should be commented on: “They licked notably, bravo!”. Perfectly infuriates any decent person, especially if you repeat this often and without reason.

                    My comment: Pressure on emotions has long been a favorite method of working for “propaganda trolls,” liberal journalists, and paid bloggers. Instead of facts and real numbers - some common phrases in the style of “everything was lost”, “everything was stolen”, “everything is bad”, etc.

                    2.8. Be sure to remind that the Bulava, PAK FA did not fly (delete the relevant, delete the current, update the list
                    1. Lieutenant Captain
                      Lieutenant Captain 21 February 2018 22: 07
                      +3
                      Quote: You Vlad
                      Troll memo

                      For it used to be banned fool
                      I don’t know where this Wundyrkind enthusiasm comes from? I don’t even want to go into details .. negative
                      One question, what do you think of the T-90 training manual, sorry, two in one, and where for the “Almaty” cannon they fire “shots” when they are released into the serial, the hatabe?
                      Wai-wai-wai, how not ashamed?
                  2. Lexus
                    Lexus 21 February 2018 21: 31
                    +11
                    Manuals trolleput - 100 points! good
                    Most of them were watched by VO in trying to provoke me and "deflect" my comments. Look, below your comment, the "writer" cast "labor", mixed "flies with cutlets." "Started for health, and finished for peace"))).
                    It is not surprising. For two post-war five-year periods, the USSR almost completely restored the economy and infrastructure destroyed by the fascists, and modern Russia constantly, if not “falls”, then stagnates (then the “Zaputinites” have a holiday, they call it “stability”).
                    But what is Russia, if you put together all the "independent" states that formed after the collapse of the USSR, they will look like, if not the "shadow" of the Union, then the "dying belch".
                    Therefore, the "writer", in order not to lose meaning, "threw copra on the fan," ending his "act" with excerpts from some liberal writings. I don’t understand, what does this have to do with communism and socialism?
                    But “Vasvladik” doesn’t end up at all that liberoids are Putin’s best friends, many are “on a paycheck”, his hand-made horror story for the people (“look, if I leave, they will come”); against the backdrop of these finished bastards, it is incomparably easier for him to seem like an angel, while remaining inveterate villain.
                    1. You Vlad
                      You Vlad 22 February 2018 16: 50
                      +2
                      Quote: lexus
                      But “Vasvladik” doesn’t end up in any way that liberoids are Putin’s best friends, many are “on a paycheck”, his hand-made horror story for the people

                      Do you think I don’t understand who I’m talking with? There are two options and both of you will not color yes
                4. AA17
                  AA17 21 February 2018 17: 09
                  +21
                  Dear Varyag_0711. "... Didn’t you try to work? ..." - Your phrase is just the top of humor. Many Russians work, but at the same time still remain poor for some reason. “... Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Government Olga Golodets called it a unique phenomenon when Russians remain poor in the presence of work.” The poverty that exists and is fixed in the country is the poverty of the working population. This is a unique phenomenon in the social sphere - the working poor, "Golodets said on Tuesday at the Social Forum as part of Russian Business Week 2017 ..."
                  That is why the citizens of Russia want change in order to receive a decent salary for their work.
                  P.S. I would like to see your comment. I assume you have a decent pension, the children have good housing and their favorite high-paying jobs, grandchildren are attached to prestigious educational institutions. Life is a success. And on the rest - on x ... th. (In your opinion: what other changes on xp @ n, work for everyone - for a stew).
                  1. Varyag_0711
                    Varyag_0711 21 February 2018 19: 19
                    +10
                    AA17 Today, 17:09 ↑
                    P.S. I would like to see your comment. I assume you have a decent pension, the children have good housing and their favorite high-paying jobs, grandchildren are attached to prestigious educational institutions. Life is a success. And on the rest - on x ... th.
                    I myself work and at the same time have not made any savings, although my salary is higher than the national average. Nevertheless, expensive medical (not cosmetology) surgeries for my wife, a mortgage loan and other payments do not give me the opportunity to make a small supply for a rainy day. I live like everything from paycheck to paycheck, unless of course it is really interesting to you. You still have to live up to retirement. Unfortunately, God has not yet given children, although age approaches the bar when it is time to become a grandfather.
                    Nevertheless, life was a success, the only question is what exactly do you consider luck? For me, life was successful because I was born and raised in the USSR in a prosperous family with an average income. There he received a decent education.
                    Are you still interested?
                    My life was successful simply because I consider it to be such. I served and stayed alive. I was given a decent education. I married a woman whom I love and whom we are a single whole, despite all the difficulties and problems. What else are you interested in?
                    And on the rest - on x ... th. (In your opinion: what other changes on xp @ n, work for everyone - for a stew).
                    That's it, that is not x ... just I live by realities, not Wishlist. And the reality is that now we are at war, and in the war, people and stew were glad. Have you ever had to go hungry? And I had in the army, I served exactly from 1991 to 1993 in the very collapse of Russia and saw a lot of things, including famine. So do not tell me about the stew.
                    And it is against the return to those times that I am speaking out. But all kinds of Zanrudinians and others, under bravura slogans, are pushing this country towards this country. If you don’t understand this or don’t want to understand, then there are two options, either you didn’t live in the 90s and don’t know what it is to live without getting salaries and pensions for half a year or more, or you are purposefully pushing the country to collapse.

                    P.S. I’m waiting for a comment in the spirit of the fact that I’ve paid kremleput ... laughing
                    1. Lieutenant Captain
                      Lieutenant Captain 21 February 2018 22: 27
                      +2
                      Quote: Varyag_0711
                      I look forward to comment something in the spirit of the fact that I paid kremleput.

                      Not worth it ... only regrets about
                      Quote: Varyag_0711
                      Unfortunately, God has not yet given children, although age approaches the bar when it is time to become a grandfather.

                      Everything from this, but don’t be angry, everything will turn out and you will see the WORLD with different eyes.
                      Well, and then, a normal decent life, only you Kamrad can not consider this life from the point of view of the next generations .. It’s a pity if you are rude or offended.
                    2. AA17
                      AA17 22 February 2018 11: 05
                      +6
                      Dear Varyag_0711. Your life is worthy of respect. Moreover, I don’t understand why you want to support the course that Kudrin, Dvorkovich, Shuvalov, Chubais and other faithful "witnesses of E. Gaidar offer us. Those people who have broken the old system are the organizers of the famine. You forgot Chubais’s statement:" .. .We did not collect money, but the destruction of communism. ... And we knew that every factory sold was a nail in the lid of the tomb of communism. Is it expensive, cheap, free, with a surcharge - the twentieth question, the twentieth. But the first question is one: each private owner who has appeared in Russia is irreversibility. This is irreversibility. Just like on September 1, 92, the first voucher issued, we literally snatched from the hands of the Reds the decision to stop privatization in Russia, in the same way, with every next step we moved exactly in the same direction. Privatization in Russia until 97 was not an economic process at all. It solved a completely different scale of the problem, which few understood then, and even more so in the West. She solved the main task - to stop communism. We have solved this problem. We solved it completely ... ". These people, led by Gaidar and Chubais, destroyed economic ties between the republics of the USSR. These traitors destroyed production chains. THERE is the real creator of collapse and chaos in RUSSIA, which resulted in non-payment of wages. These people are still in power. They destroyed the economy of the USSR, BUT WE CAN NOT BUILD ANYTHING IN REPEAT. Because they are not creators. In our current government there are no people with specialized education. There are no people with technical education. People in the government are blind and lead our country to a standstill.
                    3. You Vlad
                      You Vlad 23 February 2018 16: 38
                      0
                      Alexei, I’m shocked, why are you writing this, and before whom! I read it with interest, I am happy for you! Pray to Saint Matryona, God will give the child!
                  2. Lieutenant Captain
                    Lieutenant Captain 21 February 2018 21: 55
                    +4
                    Quote: AA17
                    Dear Varyag_0711.

                    With what fright "dear"? I’m a “new” fighter here, but vague doubts gnaw me at the “Cossack”. what
                    Read comments.
                    1. You Vlad
                      You Vlad 22 February 2018 16: 54
                      0
                      Quote: Lieutenant Captain
                      With what fright "dear"? I’m a “new” fighter here, but vague doubts gnaw me at the “Cossack”.

                      He is new here wassat for me so old bold yes
                      Quote: Lieutenant Captain
                      For it used to be banned
                      I don’t know where this Wundyrkind enthusiasm comes from?

                      When is this before? good
              3. SOF
                SOF 21 February 2018 15: 33
                +8
                ... the idea, of course, is interesting, but:
                Quote: Pax tecum
                We would like both candidates to report on their activities in previous years, V.V. Putin for his presidential term and P.N. Grudinin for a term in the position of director of the State Farm named after Lenin.

                - utter stupidity. Do you understand the difference between a wheel and a car? laughing
                And then - this idea is initially not honest, since one will be forced to operate on realities, and the second can afford to fantasize and promise, promise, promise ... but what ... it’s practically impossible to verify the feasibility of promises until the helm will become.
                Just in case ... I am throwing questions on the state farm (since there are questions about the state, for the current one - a wagon and a small cart, and they are heard):
                1. What is the state farm tax scheme? Tax collection.
                2. What is the pension scheme? How many pensioners are on the balance sheet? What is the size of pensions?
                3. What is the size of the collective farm’s budget and how much does it depend on exchange rates and energy prices?
                4. What is the currency of the collective farm? Her course. What is monetary policy?
                5. Health care ...
                6. Education ...
                7. Social security ...
                8. Industry ...
                9. Territory ...
                10. Relations with neighbors ... (How many state farms around have announced sanctions on the Lenin state farm);
                11. What kind of army does the state farm have? Strength, security, application ...
                ... you can go on forever ...
                ... wheel and car ...
              4. bk316
                bk316 21 February 2018 17: 15
                +3
                We demand participation in television debates of presidential candidates of the Russian Federation V.V. Putin and P.N. Grudinin! (petition

                Yes, I'm even for it. Let him first come out in the second round.
        2. yehat
          yehat 21 February 2018 14: 18
          +4
          she does not need to lie constantly, but the things that she defends, at least in part, are simply unacceptable.
        3. Leviton
          Leviton 21 February 2018 14: 18
          +28
          Quote: Less
          In my opinion, Sobchak is conducting an election campaign more honestly than Grudinin. She does not go away from answers to uncomfortable questions, does not bother with accounts. Yes, she’s not a passing candidate, but she looks more honest. As for such "dinosaurs" of the presidential race, they have too much experience to give rise to scandals.

          They give her to say .. And here they throw a stuffing, designed for public opinion but do not give not to say not to refute, it is disgusting. Moreover, if you watch his speech (not on TV), everything explains in an accessible way, and the native Central Election Commission says that everything is in order, only not on the DTV camera and as a result of that. although the authorities have nothing on him and as it turns out.
        4. Don
          Don 21 February 2018 14: 22
          +39
          And it seems to me that you are slandering Pavel Nikolaevich. Perhaps you were misled by shit, maybe you are just afraid of any changes. This also happens, especially in older people. But not to see the impasse of the current system is simply impossible for a normal person.
          1. Loess
            Loess 21 February 2018 14: 49
            +7
            Quote: Donskoy
            You may have been misled by shit,

            I watched two press conferences of Grudinin and none of his supporters, except for the words about "dermosmi", provided a link to the "original version", from which it would be clear that the central channels were cut out somewhere, added somewhere. So I watched his performances not processed by "censorship."
            Quote: Donskoy
            maybe you are just afraid of any changes.

            My whole life is continuous change ...
          2. New Year day
            New Year day 21 February 2018 15: 20
            +22
            Quote: Donskoy
            But not to see the impasse of the current system is simply impossible for a normal person.

            The framework for this economic and political impasse is the commodity economy, the Washington consensus (set of liberal economic rules), the liberal economy, technological dependence on the West, as well as the Western elite assets and its interests in integration into Europe, which are both economic and social -psychological nature (Westernism).
            All of the listed “walls” of the dead end are in a rigid bundle and hold each other, therefore, none of the walls can be moved or broken apart from the others.
            The walls from which the impasse is formed are held together by the forces of the entire Russian elite, in whose interests the preservation of both the raw materials economy, the Washington consensus, the liberal economic model, and other components of the impasse remain.
            As long as the elite continues to receive income from trade in raw materials, while its foreign assets are preserved and increased, while it manages to earn money here, and to spend there, the walls of the dead end will be maintained and the dead end will retain its configuration.
            And we have NO other "elite"
        5. Lieutenant Captain
          Lieutenant Captain 21 February 2018 14: 53
          +31
          Quote: Less
          From my point of view, Sobchak conducts an election campaign more honestly than Grudinin

          I’m not going to campaign for anyone, but I’ll note that the election campaign is conducted not only incorrectly, but without rules at all. In fact, it’s obvious that TV channels pour mud on only one candidate, throwing fakes unconfirmed, on the other hand, loyally relate to other candidates. At the same time, tv extols to heaven the achievements of the current government, from my point of view they are not at all obvious, scanty and very local. You can even cite here the performance of the GDP, in which he admits so many mistakes that you wonder how people can perceive it.
          And it should be noted that GDP is the same presidential candidate, like everyone else, and he should participate in debates.
          1. Loess
            Loess 21 February 2018 15: 15
            +9
            Quote: Lieutenant Captain
            GDP is the same presidential candidate, like everyone else, and he must participate in the debate.

            I don’t want to defend him, but in my opinion participation in the debate is voluntary, although perhaps I’m wrong
            Quote: Lieutenant Captain
            You can even cite here the performance of the GDP, in which he admits so many blunders that you wonder

            Honestly, I do not watch Putin’s speeches (with the exception of the annual ones, at which citizens directly turn to him) and other candidates. I watched about Grudinin only because at first he was interesting to me and I was asked to look, and I looked a second time because I hoped that the impressions of the first press conference would be wrong. As for Putin’s blunders, it’s enough for me that the country, albeit with slipping, is moving forward. I see improvements, I see problems, I see that they are being addressed. That's enough for me.
      2. Varyag_0711
        Varyag_0711 21 February 2018 14: 18
        +16
        Aristarkh Ludwigovich Today, 13:59 ↑ New
        Some kind of stream of consciousness. Grudinin immediately began on federal channels after the nomination of "watering".
        Do not tell, if they started to "wet" soaked. And since all this hype around the accounts and other crap, it is rather such an anti-PR. Here they say, look how the Kremlin is opposed to the "people's" oligarch, which means that everyone who is dissatisfied with Putin’s policies must urgently vote for Grudinin.
        And then this phrase
        The point is that literally in each of the stories devoted to the Grudinin election campaign, the main focus is not on his election program, but on the Swiss accounts of the candidate (closed or unclosed) and “deceived ex-employees of the Lenin state farm”.
        the fact of the matter is that if we start to really discuss Grudinin’s “program”, then any little bit sane opponent of a stone on a stone will not leave this utopian “program”. There are continuous promises “for all good versus all bad”, and without a single chance to fulfill at least one hundredth of the promised.
        This is not a candidate, this is some kind of fake freak walking. And, by the way, it’s most promoted in the media as the allegedly likely rival to Putin, although everyone understands that Putin has no rivals among the declared clowns, from the word at all. Just Grudinin against the background of other clowns does not look like a complete clown, that's all, no more.
        I would say that Grudinin is more of a Kremlin project to make elections look a bit like elections, not a big top.
        1. yehat
          yehat 21 February 2018 14: 21
          +6
          pepper would be added to the election if the failure to fulfill at least one promise was criminally punishable with confiscation, repression of relatives, etc.
          1. Varyag_0711
            Varyag_0711 21 February 2018 14: 27
            +12
            yehat Today, 14: 21 ↑
            pepper would be added to the election if the failure to fulfill at least one promise was criminally punishable with confiscation, repression of relatives, etc.
            This is yes, that is, that is! But, in this situation, we would have to change ALL deputies of all levels, and of the president, respectively, every 4-6 years. I’m afraid in this situation, the elections in the country would be held silently, and there would be no more inscriptions on the advertising posters except for the name and surname. laughing
        2. zivXP
          zivXP 21 February 2018 14: 33
          +33
          But Grudinin has the most real program; the rest (including the current one) are utopian. Do not agree? Watch any program of any former presidential candidate that he became. Nothing is implemented, so it (the program) was either farce or impossible.
          1. Varyag_0711
            Varyag_0711 21 February 2018 14: 43
            +14
            zivXP Today, 14:33 ↑
            But Grudinin has the most real program.
            Yeah, the "real" ... laughing laughing laughing It is real only in one case if it will be implemented by the cat Basilio and the fox Alice in the country of fools and under cover of night!
            the rest (including the current one) are continuous utopia.
            Complete utopia, this is exactly the so-called "program" of 20 steps by Pavel Grudinin. There is not a single item that would be feasible. But, if you so want to be tricked once again, hold the flag in your hands and drum around your neck. Fire me, I do not intend to believe in such a spreading cranberry.
            1. zivXP
              zivXP 21 February 2018 14: 50
              +25
              Are you probably a Gazprom employee?
              1. Varyag_0711
                Varyag_0711 21 February 2018 14: 54
                +10
                zivXP Today, 14:50 ↑
                Are you probably a Gazprom employee?
                Yeah, Miller is my last name ... laughing laughing laughing
          2. Ascetic
            Ascetic 21 February 2018 15: 12
            +15
            Quote: zivXP
            But Grudinin has the most real program; the rest (including the current one) are utopian. Do not agree?

            Trump also had more than an adequate and real program, and what is the output? In our country, the president is primarily responsible for foreign policy of defense and security, I can’t imagine how the latifundist Grudinin will deal with these issues. Putin worked at the presidential administration at least until the president. Secretary of the Security Council, director of the FSB, prime minister and only then the president. And Grudinin even pulls on the governor with an exaggeration not only the head of state. Moreover, it annoys him that the mustache of the traitor and grant-giver Boldyrev, one of the founders of Yabloko, and the money of Abramovich, including those in the same banks as ordinary mortals, hang around him. .be you are the Count of Monte Cristo, access is closed without a recommendation.
            1. Nasrat
              Nasrat 21 February 2018 15: 16
              +9
              Very healthy! from me + After reading about Grudinin for more details - Gorbachev just a jerk will seem, compared to this chairman ..
            2. zivXP
              zivXP 21 February 2018 15: 35
              +3
              This Boldyrev annoys me too. And not only him.
              In the United States, the president has a completely different authority, and they can bend him.
              1. Nasrat
                Nasrat 21 February 2018 15: 42
                +5
                Quote: zivXP
                This Boldyrev annoys me too. And not only him.
                In the United States, the president has a completely different authority, and they can bend him.

                We have a BNU bending the same ... bully

            3. Bulrumeb
              Bulrumeb 21 February 2018 16: 45
              +8
              And Grudinin even pulls on the governor with a stretch

              the governor of the photographer Zhirinovsky planted us in the region of GDP with us and apparently considered that such an experience was enough. This is a question about stretch
              1. Ascetic
                Ascetic 21 February 2018 19: 06
                +4
                Quote: Bulrumeb
                the governor of the photographer Zhirinovsky planted us in the region of GDP with us and apparently considered that such an experience was enough. This is a question about stretch

                This only confirms my thesis, he is no better than the thief Antufiev ...
                 the region's national debt is growing exponentially: if in April 2012 (when Ostrovsky became governor) the region's debt was almost 10 billion rubles, then at the beginning of this year the Smolensk region owes the budget 32,96 billion rubles. Today the region is in 80th place (out of 85) in terms of the level of public debt, which makes the prospects for the head of the region to sit in his chair for the present period very unstable.
                there is not much difference in the governor's affiliation with one party or another. The saddest thing is that there is no one to choose a replacement. So, the head of the Smolensk discussion club "Public Opinion" Svetlana Voevodina says: although "Ostrovsky is not the best governor, she does not see any figure for him in return at the regional level". And if the governor changes, then after the presidential elections. But Voevodina strongly doubts that the new governor will be better: as life shows, each new one is only worse ...
                For Grudinin, here is the field of activity, let him raise the Smolensk region, then we’ll take a look
                1. zivXP
                  zivXP 21 February 2018 19: 25
                  +5
                  let him raise the Smolensk region, then we'll see

                  And the state will help in every way. About s \ x from the middle
                  1. Lexus
                    Lexus 21 February 2018 21: 52
                    +1
                    Hmm ... there will be only taxes on inhalation and exhalation (for the last exhalation with a multiple increasing factor, because a dead person, if he is not an official, not an oligarch and not a clergyman, will be useful in the afterlife). Thank you for the video! With humor on a sadly relevant topic. hi
        3. Sasha_Sar
          Sasha_Sar 21 February 2018 16: 07
          +16
          So the "guarantor" has not completed any of the instructions in May 2012, how is it?
      3. Sirocco
        Sirocco 21 February 2018 14: 23
        +13
        Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
        Some kind of stream of consciousness. Grudinin immediately began on federal channels after the nomination of "watering".

        I will answer why I urinate him. Recently in our country (elective), some groups in social networks have become very active, I have friends in such groups, so as soon as the elections in the Russian Federation, they immediately stand up to the thief, United Russia, thieves, etc. as if from a pigsty, everyone doesn’t keep up, they alone know how to live and who to choose, namely today they choose Grudinin, although at the beginning of the company they have reconciled pictures from Sobchak, but previously bulk. Grudinin, who is he, and with what do they eat him? How did a wolf from a wolf pack eat grass? And his businesswolves do not eat? Well, as the devil jumped out of the snuff-box, and the Communist Party also tarnished the reputation even in the Far East, with criminal deputies and others.
        1. Jack
          Jack 21 February 2018 15: 00
          +19
          For Sirocco.1) To yours: "... Putin is a thief ..." ********************************* *****************
          *****
          I hope you have no doubt about this? *************************************
          2) To yours: "... everyone is not keeping up ..." ********************************* *****************
          *******
          The fact is that Putin is better for Russia than ANYONE!
          And Grudinin is a REAL chance to save the country!
          1. Varyag_0711
            Varyag_0711 21 February 2018 15: 04
            +17
            Grudinin, this is just a real chance to steal the country. That is why it is so intense and PR, including such bots like you.
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 21 February 2018 15: 23
              +22
              Quote: Varyag_0711
              Grudinin, this is just a real chance to steal the country.

              what are Putin’s achievements inside the country? Enlighten.
              Could it be healthcare or education? Or maybe housing and communal services?
              1. zivXP
                zivXP 21 February 2018 15: 55
                +7
                I think under any president there will be some problems in these sectors of the economy. You can’t put a bailiff.
                And surrounded by the president himself, not everything will be perfect as he himself would have liked. Putin has a lot of good things that happened for the country.
                1. New Year day
                  New Year day 21 February 2018 16: 12
                  +14
                  Quote: zivXP
                  Putin has a lot of good things that happened for the country.

                  when a child comes to school, he is taught by an elementary school teacher. Then subject teachers, and after high school, vocational schools, as you wish.
                  And in our country, "the elementary school teacher2 leads the country both in subjects and in the university program.
                  Putin has done a lot for the country, but is now in captivity of his retinue. The retinue is making the king. He himself does not want to say goodbye to her or cannot.
                  Do you like his retinue?
              2. Stas157
                Stas157 21 February 2018 16: 49
                +16
                Quote: Silvestr
                what are Putin’s achievements inside the country? Enlighten.
                Could it be healthcare or education? Or maybe housing and communal services?

                There are achievements! By the number of billionaires, we are in third place, although the economy is at the level of Mexico in absolute GDP. If someone says that it is not correct to calculate GDP in dollars, but it is necessary to consider purchasing power parity, then let's count billions among billionaires not in dollars but in parity (PPP). Then we will definitely find ourselves ahead of the rest, in the richest bloodsuckers of the people's good! Glory to Putin!
            2. Jack
              Jack 21 February 2018 15: 28
              +18
              For Varyag_0711. To yours: "... Grudinin, this is just a real chance to steal the country ..." ****************************** ******
              *****
              - This work is brilliantly completed by the current inhabitant of the Kremlin!
              And Grudinin has the opposite goal!
          2. Ascetic
            Ascetic 21 February 2018 19: 16
            +4
            Quote: Jack
            And Grudinin is a REAL chance to save the country!

            Deputy of the Bryansk Regional Duma Sergei Antoshin was expelled from the Communist Party for his disagreement with the nomination of the oligarch Pavel Grudinin as a presidential candidate ....
            Antoshin on air of Channel One noted that Communist Party supporters are asking questions to their chosen communists. For example, why didn’t they choose a person from among the party members, why did they impose Grudinin, why does this person, having offshore and unregistered accounts abroad, participate in the campaign from the Communists? The deputy noted that neither he nor his now former associates cannot answer any of these questions ....

            earlier in the Communist Party warned that all dissatisfied with the nomination of Grudinin will be expelled from the party. Commenting on this situation, Antoshin pointed out that he did not criticize the decision of the leadership of the political association, but simply recalled the questions asked by voters ....
            ex-governor of the Kamchatka region, secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Russia Mikhail Mashkovtsev explained everything that was happening by a split in the ranks of the Communist Party. He noted that ordinary communists began to criticize Grudinin from the day he was nominated, because they were offered "an outspoken bourgeois who has nothing to do with communist ideology" ....
            Communist Party Central Committee: those who disagree with the nomination of Grudinin will be expelled from the party ...
            The Communist Party is mowing its ranks: Bryansk deputy Sergei Antoshin expelled from the party after criticizing Grudinin ...
            The CPRF is an ooportunist compromising party, it is not surprising that the absence of a clear communist ideology will ultimately lead to the crisis and degradation that we are witnessing today. The Communist Party followed the path of the Western Communist Parties which fell under the bourgeoisie and turned into marginal organizations.
      4. zivXP
        zivXP 21 February 2018 14: 27
        +33
        The authorities are simply afraid of Grudinin, they are afraid that the people will follow him, and therefore they are trying in every way to interfere. And with the other candidates, everything is simple - they are extras or puppets (to delete the unnecessary) from this very authority.
        1. Varyag_0711
          Varyag_0711 21 February 2018 14: 45
          +13
          Do not tell, for the power of Grudinin a little more than nothing! Well, if you are personally ready to follow Grudinin, then I sincerely sympathize with you. You fool need to be treated.
          1. zivXP
            zivXP 21 February 2018 14: 51
            +24
            As I understand it, you have no more arguments besides nasty things?
            1. Varyag_0711
              Varyag_0711 21 February 2018 14: 57
              +12
              I cited all the arguments above and more than once, but this is not an argument for you, right? Then what is the bazaar about? You remained with your opinion, I am with yours. But he’s more than sure that your Grudinin will fail miserably and fly past the Kremlin like plywood over Paris.
              1. New Year day
                New Year day 21 February 2018 15: 24
                +17
                Quote: Varyag_0711
                flies past the Kremlin like plywood over Paris.

                chickens in the fall believe we’ll see how Putin’s 6th term ends.
                1. myrzilka
                  myrzilka 23 February 2018 00: 09
                  +2
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  let's see how Putin’s 6th term ends.

                  Well, in general, yes, I want to see how the local defenders of the current government begin to cry. When, after the re-election of GDP for a new term (and I’m sure, the votes will be counted as it should). They will increase their retirement age, raise fuel prices, raise housing and communal services prices, arrange another pension fund derban, introduce a couple of new taxes, and increase old taxes. I really want to look at it. And listen to their angry exclamations: Here again .......!
              2. zivXP
                zivXP 21 February 2018 15: 30
                +6
                Firstly, I’m not campaigning for anyone, since I myself have not yet decided on the choice.
                Secondly, that Grudinin will not work, even if he gets 50,1% of the vote, everyone knows. Reminiscent of US elections, isn't it?
                And thirdly, chickens in the fall consider, that is, presidents in the spring.
              3. Jack
                Jack 21 February 2018 15: 30
                +19
                Without large-scale falsification of Putin Khan!
                1. New Year day
                  New Year day 21 February 2018 15: 41
                  +15
                  Quote: Jack
                  Without large-scale falsification of Putin Khan!

                  for some reason I am convinced of this. Why? I do not know
                2. Varyag_0711
                  Varyag_0711 21 February 2018 16: 45
                  +11
                  Jack Today, 15:30 ↑
                  Without large-scale falsification of Putin Khan!
                  Oh really? Does Putin know about this? Or was this information only secretly told to you by the State Department?

                  It's funny to read the comments of explicit bots and trolls. Hard work gentlemen, however, what kind of owners fool , such and their sixes ...
                  1. New Year day
                    New Year day 21 February 2018 18: 02
                    +7
                    Quote: Varyag_0711
                    Hard work gentlemen, however, what are the owners of fool, such and their six

                    who are you talking about?
                    1. Lexus
                      Lexus 21 February 2018 21: 58
                      +4
                      He is overly self-critical. hi
                      Obviously, I switched to talking with a mirror - in Russia they were never offended, even focusing on them was considered bad form. wink
                  2. myrzilka
                    myrzilka 23 February 2018 00: 14
                    0
                    Quote: Varyag_0711
                    Oh really? Does Putin know about this?

                    What are you, what are you !!! But can you really think that !!! Yes, not in vain! On the other hand, butterflies are defining here and the air is spoiled exclusively by the smell of violets.
                    She is the guarantor !! And the Guarantor, you know, wow!
                    Bad subordinates will be falsified, and only they. And the Guarantor then punishes them, increase them, with particular cruelty and compliance with all laws)))))
          2. Tatanka Yotanka
            Tatanka Yotanka 21 February 2018 19: 45
            +9
            Quote: Varyag_0711
            for the power of Grudinin a little more than nothing!

            then why is power so afraid of him? even police officers are hounded, but Putin’s billboards are protected, there are a lot of such videos
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QunZpzqL6uI
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_02QXiMYFk&t
            = 78s
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5cG7W9tZNQ
        2. Hammerlock
          Hammerlock 21 February 2018 14: 55
          +7
          scared elephant pug laughing lol laughing
        3. Petr1968
          Petr1968 21 February 2018 17: 07
          +4
          Quote: zivXP
          The authorities are simply afraid of Grudinin, afraid that the people will follow him

          5% maximum 15% of this "people". The rest is for Putin, definitely!
          Are you ready after the election, if I’m right to write a confession here that you don’t understand anything and will no longer write nonsense?
      5. Vend
        Vend 21 February 2018 15: 08
        +5
        Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
        Quote: Azazelo
        This Grudinin or stupid, which in itself excludes him from presidential candidates; or he intentionally (more likely) made himself a teflon candidate. And they did not banish him just to ensure the appearance, and so that the media did not lie that Putin was frightened of him.

        Some kind of stream of consciousness. Grudinin immediately began on federal channels after the nomination of "watering".

        Is it wet? The Council of Deputies of the city of Vidnoye under the leadership of Pavel Grudinin reduced aid to veterans of the Great Patriotic War, preferential categories of citizens (in connection with memorable dates), anniversaries from among the disabled and participants in the Second World War. And the article about providing support to poor families, single-living citizens and other categories of citizens was generally excluded from the list of social protection measures.
        https://inforeactor.ru/135250-falsificirovannye-s
        hagi-grudinina-kak-zhiteli-vidnogo-stradayut-ot-d
        eistvii-kandidata-kprf Here is the whole article and numbers.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 21 February 2018 15: 30
          +22
          Quote: Wend
          Council of Deputies of the city of Vidnoe under the leadership of Pavel Grudinin

          and Skvortsova destroys the country's population.
          An example is good.
          In 2018, according to the order of the Ministry of Health, the clinical and biochemical blood tests, urinalysis, and ultrasound of the abdominal organs were excluded from the initial stage of the clinical examination. These studies are considered uninformative. The ministry considered that “they do not play a role in the detection of chronic non-infectious diseases of the circulatory system, respiratory system, diabetes mellitus and malignant neoplasms, which the medical examination is aimed at.” Now, a patient will be interviewed and questioned to identify possible chronic diseases and risk factors (smoking , alcohol use, diet, physical activity, heredity). In addition, they will measure height, weight, blood pressure, waist circumference, body mass index, the level of total cholesterol and glucose in the blood, and will also do fluorography.
          ---------
          Reference. A general blood test allows you to identify acute and chronic hematological blood diseases, cancer (by the presence of hypochromic anemia). Ultrasound in the EU countries - screening method for detecting diseases of internal organs, including and oncological.
          So now we will have diagnostics according to your stories and KALA analysis. Congratulations. Keep your health
          1. Vend
            Vend 21 February 2018 15: 37
            +3
            Quote: Silvestr
            Quote: Wend
            Council of Deputies of the city of Vidnoe under the leadership of Pavel Grudinin

            and Skvortsova destroys the country's population.
            An example is good.
            In 2018, according to the order of the Ministry of Health, the clinical and biochemical blood tests, urinalysis, and ultrasound of the abdominal organs were excluded from the initial stage of the clinical examination. These studies are considered uninformative. The ministry considered that “they do not play a role in the detection of chronic non-infectious diseases of the circulatory system, respiratory system, diabetes mellitus and malignant neoplasms, which the medical examination is aimed at.” Now, a patient will be interviewed and questioned to identify possible chronic diseases and risk factors (smoking , alcohol use, diet, physical activity, heredity). In addition, they will measure height, weight, blood pressure, waist circumference, body mass index, the level of total cholesterol and glucose in the blood, and will also do fluorography.
            ---------
            Reference. A general blood test allows you to identify acute and chronic hematological blood diseases, cancer (by the presence of hypochromic anemia). Ultrasound in the EU countries - screening method for detecting diseases of internal organs, including and oncological.
            So now we will have diagnostics according to your stories and KALA analysis. Congratulations. Keep your health

            These are not my stories. Do not believe me, contact the administration of the city of Vidnoe.
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 21 February 2018 15: 42
              +9
              Quote: Wend
              These are not my stories.

              I do not mean that I believe you or do not believe. I believe. But the current government is no different.
              1. Vend
                Vend 21 February 2018 15: 48
                +5
                Quote: Silvestr
                Quote: Wend
                These are not my stories.

                I do not mean that I believe you or do not believe. I believe. But the current government is no different.

                Well, how no different. Maternal capital is doubled, laws on the protection of interest holders, compensation for the delay in the delivery of housing in 100% are decided in favor of the interest holder, and so on. This was done by the current government.
                1. New Year day
                  New Year day 21 February 2018 15: 51
                  +17
                  Quote: Wend
                  This was done by the current government.

                  One gave, and the other took away? Academician Akchurin (EBN operated) the night before yesterday on NTV said: Kranty medicine, only the "Centers" can not change anything. And he is not a stupid person!
                  1. Vend
                    Vend 21 February 2018 15: 56
                    +5
                    Quote: Silvestr
                    Quote: Wend
                    This was done by the current government.

                    One gave, and the other took away? Academician Akchurin (EBN operated) the night before yesterday on NTV said: Kranty medicine, only the "Centers" can not change anything. And he is not a stupid person!

                    As Professor Preobrazhensky said, "And don't read Soviet newspapers at dinner." NTV is rubbish, found someone to believe. And you are aware that doctors who are sent to the countryside are paid an amount of 1 million rubles so that you can solve the housing problem. And under what power it was different, always somewhere plus, and somewhere minus.
                    1. New Year day
                      New Year day 21 February 2018 16: 03
                      +14
                      Quote: Wend
                      And you are aware that doctors who are sent to the countryside are paid an amount of 1 million rubles so that you can solve the housing problem.

                      and in Crimea - 2! And NO ONE rides!
                      Quote: Wend
                      NTV is rubbish, found someone to believe.

                      I believe Akchurin. NTV and Akchurin are two big differences, the more I see all this with my own eyes
                      Quote: Wend
                      And under what power it was different, always somewhere plus, and somewhere minus.

                      It's hard not to agree! But then another question arises.

                      and it’s hard to disagree with Alferov
                      1. Vend
                        Vend 21 February 2018 16: 36
                        +3
                        Quote: Silvestr
                        Quote: Wend
                        And you are aware that doctors who are sent to the countryside are paid an amount of 1 million rubles so that you can solve the housing problem.

                        and in Crimea - 2! And NO ONE rides!
                        Quote: Wend
                        NTV is rubbish, found someone to believe.

                        I believe Akchurin. NTV and Akchurin are two big differences, the more I see all this with my own eyes
                        Quote: Wend
                        And under what power it was different, always somewhere plus, and somewhere minus.

                        It's hard not to agree! But then another question arises.

                        and it’s hard to disagree with Alferov

                        What does it mean not going? I understand that 954 doctors left for the villages near Moscow, this is a drop in the bucket, but they are going. And the state in the ass has already been kicked twice in the 20 century alone. Enough of empty revolutions. The road will be overpowered by the marching, now not the times of Ivan the Terrible, Peter I and Joseph Stalin. Now the leap cannot be made at the expense of the "peasant heads." and the "boyar treasury".
                    2. Don
                      Don 21 February 2018 16: 45
                      +10
                      Quote: Wend
                      And you are aware that doctors who are sent to the countryside are paid an amount of 1 million rubles so that you can solve the housing problem.

                      Oh yeah! Of the doctors I knew, already 5 people worked on this program in the countryside, not far from the city. They got their million, worked it out and dumped it back in the city, where they exchanged their apartments. Why am I, such programs are absolutely ineffective! Approaches and methods should be different, but this power does not know how, cannot and does not want to really solve them.
                      1. Vend
                        Vend 21 February 2018 16: 49
                        +4
                        Quote: Donskoy
                        Quote: Wend
                        And you are aware that doctors who are sent to the countryside are paid an amount of 1 million rubles so that you can solve the housing problem.

                        Oh yeah! Of the doctors I knew, already 5 people worked on this program in the countryside, not far from the city. They got their million, worked it out and dumped it back in the city, where they exchanged their apartments. Why am I, such programs are absolutely ineffective! Approaches and methods should be different, but this power does not know how, cannot and does not want to really solve them.

                        This claim is not for the program. but to the doctors.
                      2. New Year day
                        New Year day 21 February 2018 17: 05
                        +9
                        Quote: Donskoy
                        why, such programs are absolutely ineffective!

                        quite right
                        Quote: Wend
                        This claim is not for the program. but to the doctors.

                        why? They complied with the terms of the contract. All honestly!
                        You just need to think about the problem nationwide. It is necessary to raise local personnel, and not to lure doctors from one province to another.
                        It turns out who will outbid the doctors. Relocation is not the best way affect the qualifications of doctors. Remember how the "shabashniki" were under the Union? So doctors turned into "shabashnikov"!
                      3. myrzilka
                        myrzilka 23 February 2018 00: 24
                        +3
                        Quote: Donskoy
                        They got their million, worked it out and dumped it back in the city, where they exchanged their apartments.

                        Well, working out for 3 years. And then they leave, because the salary is small. It is better in the city to work at several private clinics. Something like that. And do not say that these are my inventions. I have a wife, director of honey. center. and believe me about the situation in medicine, he knows much more than some writing nonsense here, about the incredible rise of our medicine.
                        When they add the salaries of all the doctors of the city together (including the chief physicians of large regional clinics and hospitals) then they divide them by the total number of all doctors and receive salaries of 48000. Then the guber, sweating and with shaking hands from lies, sits and throws the president about space salaries area doctors. And the president listens very carefully and even (probably) believes in it. But in fact, the salary of a pediatrician is 15000 rubles and try to live on it alone. Therefore, doctors work at once in several private medical institutions to earn money.
      6. Orionvit
        Orionvit 21 February 2018 15: 22
        +9
        Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
        Grudinin immediately began on federal channels after the nomination of "watering"

        And he thought that the kindergarten teacher is running? And another question, how much money for the election campaign in Russia is allocated from the federal budget of Russia, and how much from the shadow funds of the State Department and various CIA intelligence agencies of the United States? I think that the balance will not be in Russia's favor, and at times, if not by orders of magnitude.
      7. bk316
        bk316 21 February 2018 16: 28
        +4
        Sobchak has three times more income

        What difference is it SAME not from the Communist Party and not for equality, think what you write.
      8. AUL
        AUL 21 February 2018 17: 09
        +8
        Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
        Quote: Azazelo
        This Grudinin or stupid, which in itself excludes him from presidential candidates; or he intentionally (more likely) made himself a teflon candidate. And they did not banish him just to ensure the appearance, and so that the media did not lie that Putin was frightened of him.

        Some kind of stream of consciousness. Grudinin immediately began on federal channels after the nomination of "watering".
        Yes, it’s great to stay in the Kremlin over a real alternative to irremovable. That's why they put all the dogs on him in the media and on the Internet.
      9. CAM
        CAM 21 February 2018 17: 33
        +1
        Ltd. sect of sternum fellow he
      10. Svarog
        Svarog 22 February 2018 19: 48
        +3
        Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
        Quote: Azazelo
        This Grudinin or stupid, which in itself excludes him from presidential candidates; or he intentionally (more likely) made himself a teflon candidate. And they did not banish him just to ensure the appearance, and so that the media did not lie that Putin was frightened of him.

        Some kind of stream of consciousness. Grudinin immediately began on federal channels after the nomination of "watering". Moreover, a very good attitude to Sobchak on federal channels, to Zhirinovsky, Yavlinsky. Through the media they constantly tell what an oligarchy oligarch Grudinin is. A TV presenter and socialite Ksenia Sobchak has an income of three times more ...

        Because Grudinin is the only candidate who poses a danger to Putin ..
    2. krops777
      krops777 21 February 2018 14: 09
      +5
      The point is that literally in each of the stories devoted to the Grudinin election campaign, the main focus is not on his election program, but on the Swiss accounts of the candidate (closed or unclosed) and “deceived ex-employees of the Lenin state farm”. It is noteworthy that the deceived ex-employees, before registering Pavel Grudinin as a candidate for the presidency, practically did not show themselves in any way in terms of information, and interest in their problems from the federal channels was zero.


      Well, right, he used to be a public person, but now he is, respectively, the media are showing interest in him, given what kind of media we have, what he hoped for praises or something to sing to him.
    3. Bosch
      Bosch 21 February 2018 14: 45
      +25
      Grudinin is the only real opponent of GDP.
      1. Orionvit
        Orionvit 21 February 2018 15: 26
        +7
        Quote: Bosch
        Grudinin is the only real opponent of GDP.

        Let's see the debate, and I think that your Grudinin will be a pale boy. And by the way, in vain he lit up, the entire enemy network will pull. laughing
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      1. Varyag_0711
        Varyag_0711 21 February 2018 15: 08
        +15
        Jack Today, 14:53 ↑
        Grudinin earned all his money!
        Well, yes, how ... laughing laughing laughing Tell me more that you earned overwork on strawberries. You tell the suckers how you can earn millions on strawberries, but in my garden it grows. The maximum that you can earn on it is hemorrhoids and sciatica! laughing
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          1. Varyag_0711
            Varyag_0711 21 February 2018 15: 50
            +15
            Do you think this is interesting to me? In general, I do not care about who has how much money, including from Grudinin. I do not like lying, dodgy freaks disguised as "candidates from the people." Grudinin has the same relationship with the people as Zyuganov with real Communists, that is, nothing! And the needs of the people of both of them excite in the last turn, or rather do not care at all.
            Well, judging by the way you are massively trying to create the appearance of popular support for this clown in the VO, it makes sense to go vote for Putin.
          2. New Year day
            New Year day 21 February 2018 15: 55
            +14
            Quote: Jack
            Have you looked at the material about Putin's wallet-bearer from the link from my previous comment?

            Means Mr. Lavrinenko, the scientific adviser of the top secret dissertation of GDP, the rector of the Mining University in St. Petersburg, the dollar billionaire and the current head of the GDP headquarters in St. Petersburg?
          3. CAM
            CAM 21 February 2018 17: 37
            +1
            well, of the best publications in the world - Süddeutsche Zeitung, OCCRP, The Guardian, BBC, Le Monde laughing good trash cans
        2. Petr1968
          Petr1968 21 February 2018 17: 03
          +3
          Quote: Varyag_0711
          Well, yes, how ... laughing laughing laughing Tell me again that he earned overwork on strawberries.

          Is there evidence to the contrary? Why did the election candidates not sue him?
    5. RUSS
      RUSS 21 February 2018 19: 55
      +3
      Quote: Azazelo
      This Grudinin or stupid, which in itself excludes him from presidential candidates;

      Grudinin admitted that he did not build schools and kindergartens, but with the money of Agalarov.

      In an interview on the eve of the presidential candidate from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, Pavel Grudinin, of the British Broadcasting Corporation BBC, he answered a number of questions regarding his relationship with the capital's big businessmen and developers. So, in particular, it turns out that the funds for building social infrastructure at the Lenin state farm, which the Communist Party sets as an example for the rest of the country, were allocated by the famous businessman Aras Agalarov.
    6. Ierarh
      Ierarh 21 February 2018 20: 15
      +1
      Summary statistics of online polls for February 14

      https://kprf.ru/activity/elections/173051.html
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    7. nemec55
      nemec55 21 February 2018 20: 57
      +7
      This Grudinin or nonsense

      Edros or something?.
      Or the litter of the nightingale and kissel completely hammered the space between the forehead and the back of the head?
      Grudinin is the only one adequate person from the list of this whole gop company that has been stealing the country since the 90s
    8. Strategia
      Strategia 22 February 2018 19: 56
      +1
      Quote: Azazelo
      This Grudinin or nonsense

      The word "nonsense" is written with a soft sign, Mr. "jerk"!
  2. Loess
    Loess 21 February 2018 14: 03
    +11
    And scandals are not necessary, it is enough to listen to him carefully so that the desire to vote for him is completely lost. He thanks the media I must say that he is not shown much, otherwise his supporters will not at all remain with his revelations. And if it hadn’t been “muddying” with the accounts, but transferred the money to Russia, then there would have been no scandal. So after all, he does not trust the Russian banking system. He doesn’t trust banks, he doesn’t trust the CEC, he doesn’t trust the media, he doesn’t trust our medicine either, well, what kind of life does the candidate have? Gloom, in a word. And all the same, he is climbing into power. So choose such a suspicious ...
    1. lance
      lance 21 February 2018 14: 20
      +7
      Do you trust everything you listed? I'm not for sternum.
      1. Loess
        Loess 21 February 2018 14: 46
        +10
        I saw two of his press conferences, I gave the dates and places of these speeches to Grudinin’s supporters, pointed out the places where, in my opinion, Grudinin was saying, to put it mildly, strange things. None of the supporters of this person answered on the topic, explained to me, stupid, how to correctly understand his words, did not provide a single link where the same speech would be different from what I saw on the central channels. In response, I received only phrases about "shit" and a description of the "atrocities" of officials. From which he concluded that I understood the words of Grudinin himself and his activities correctly. And, by the way, everything I have listed is either a direct speech by Grudinin (about the CEC, the media and banks), or conclusions based on his words (as is the case with medicine).
        1. nemec55
          nemec55 21 February 2018 20: 58
          +2
          8 Loess ↑
          Today, 14: 46
          I saw two of his press conferences Balabolka
        2. Ierarh
          Ierarh 22 February 2018 20: 10
          0
          Anyone who wants to can see ...

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZ_-t91jRiE
          1. jesus045
            jesus045 23 February 2018 13: 06
            0
            It’s better to let them look more youthful with Dude, here they really froze it on YouTube and the dizes straightened up just so that https://youtu.be/_IPXiNIXuFI
    2. zivXP
      zivXP 21 February 2018 14: 36
      +16
      Do you mean you trust banks? And the media and our doctors?
      1. Loess
        Loess 21 February 2018 15: 01
        +7
        I? Doctors I owe health. Media ... I do not swallow information "as is", I have a bad habit of thinking about what they say. And in any case, our media will tell me more truly about my country than the "voice of America." Regarding banks - so far I haven’t had any disagreements with banks "in mutual settlements". What is written in the contract is carried out by me and the bank, naturally at the level at which I am with the banks ... ahem ... I cooperate. There was one misunderstanding, which led to an oversight of bank employees, but everything was decided by telephone calls.
        1. zivXP
          zivXP 21 February 2018 15: 45
          +13
          It turns out that you didn’t find the deposit of Sberbank of your investors all over the country? Didn’t you even hear that?
          1. Loess
            Loess 21 February 2018 16: 06
            +4
            Do we have one bank? And - yes, I found it. Do you remember in what conditions this happened?
            1. zivXP
              zivXP 21 February 2018 16: 18
              +6
              At that time, there was one for the population. And moreover, the state one.
              That is, under certain conditions it is normal to rob the population? But in Switzerland they don’t know, but they would have healed.
              1. Loess
                Loess 21 February 2018 16: 26
                +5
                Have you ever had “certain conditions” in Switzerland? And I dare to recall at a time when the bank was one - there was a different country. And if the population has failed to save their country from death, does it have the right to demand that the bank take care of deposits at the time of the death of the state? I understand, it sounds cynical, but ...
                1. Petr1968
                  Petr1968 21 February 2018 17: 02
                  +7
                  Quote: Less
                  And if the population has failed to save their country from death, does it have the right to demand that the bank take care of deposits at the time of the death of the state?

                  I still can’t save the state, should I pay taxes?
                  1. Loess
                    Loess 21 February 2018 18: 33
                    +3
                    Did you go to school? To a kindergarten? Have you been treated at the hospital? Did you get additional education after school while studying at the budget department? Do your children go to kindergarten or school? Visited by doctors? This is where your taxes go. You will live outside society on a desert island - you can not pay, this is your right. And about I can / I can’t save - once, individually, but together - most citizens thought the same, thought and didn’t even try to save the state ... It was not long ago at all ... Just one generation ago ... And before this fathers and grandfathers of these people defeated the Nazis. Despite the hopelessness of the 41 year ... Conclusions, I hope you will do it yourself.
                    And you somehow quietly left the question raised by you about Switzerland ...
                    1. zivXP
                      zivXP 21 February 2018 19: 35
                      +5
                      And you somehow quietly left the question raised by you about Switzerland ...

                      Everything mixed up in the house of Oblonsky ... Who are you talking to now? Exactly with me?
                2. lance
                  lance 21 February 2018 17: 30
                  +1
                  certain conditions arose in Switzerland after the pressure of the Federal Reserve or for you this is news, years have passed quite a few.
    3. New Year day
      New Year day 21 February 2018 16: 26
      +8
      Quote: Less
      He thanks the media I must say that he is not shown much, otherwise his supporters will not at all remain with his revelations.

      so let him show on the box! Let be! but why not show?
      1. Loess
        Loess 21 February 2018 18: 38
        +2
        Are you asking me? I'm not against. I don’t have time to watch TV anyway.
  3. yehat
    yehat 21 February 2018 14: 08
    +8
    Grudinin’s presence in the elections pretends that we have a choice.
    the problem is not in Grudinin, but in the fact that people do not have programs or really next steps. No man - no his promises. This whole elective list is like a cheap booth.
    Nobody offers anything real. Putin is not even trying, the rest are clearly lying, because they are voicing things that they are not able to realize. Although Sobchak yes, sometimes honest. She is able to return Crimea ...

    I’ve been considering this list of candidates for a month now and such longing has been rolling - there is no hope that in the next 4 years something will become better. There is no one who can really make a difference. Yavlinsky is especially enraging. He sat for many years, was silent in a rag, thought that he had forgotten his empty promises in the 90s? And now he’s carrying a blizzard. Already disgusting.
    1. Loess
      Loess 21 February 2018 14: 14
      +5
      Quote: yehat
      Nobody offers anything real. Putin is not even trying, the rest are clearly lying, because they are voicing things that they are not able to realize.
      All our choices in one phrase))) good
      1. Anarchist
        Anarchist 21 February 2018 14: 17
        +13
        Quote: yehat
        Putin is not even trying

    2. RUSS
      RUSS 21 February 2018 14: 20
      +1
      Quote: yehat
      Grudinin’s presence in the elections pretends that we have a choice.

      Grudinin chose this election company for himself as a kind of springboard for big politics, perhaps he marks it in the governors of the Moscow Region, and many are inclined to create a new left-wing opposition party as a substitute for the "outdated" Communist Party.
  4. askort154
    askort154 21 February 2018 14: 15
    +14
    If Zyuganov were a real communist, he would have prepared a worthy replacement for himself a long time ago.
    And so - only blah, blah at the life-time feeder, not answering for anything. Even the General Secretary of the CPSU was harder, they were responsible. Zyuganov and Zhirinovsky - parasites of society for 27 years. tongue yes
    1. lance
      lance 21 February 2018 14: 23
      +3
      it’s very difficult to disagree, but what did the government release in return for these 27 years? The sternum came up clearly as an announcement, although its mooing is akin to an early swan.
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      1. cedar
        cedar 21 February 2018 17: 46
        +4
        You wishful thinking. Pull down on Putin to brush off Grudinin. Putin, unlike Grudinin, did a lot for the country, for its people.
        And the fact that you insult the popularly elected President of Russia and the Commander-in-Chief of the RF Armed Forces speaks for the fact that you are an enemy.
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    3. zivXP
      zivXP 21 February 2018 14: 41
      +4
      It’s hard to disagree, but the list is too short. And Zyuganov’s supporters were apparently pressed to the nail.
      1. nemec55
        nemec55 21 February 2018 21: 05
        +2
        . And Zyuganov’s supporters were apparently pressed to the nail.

        Another raving kissel droppings
  5. Z_G_R
    Z_G_R 21 February 2018 14: 35
    +29
    Yes, the authorities are afraid of this, obviously. Journalists like robots tally the same thing about accounts that are closed. And about some fake interest holders. Does anyone here believe that if Grudinin had doubtful accounts abroad he would have been allowed to be a candidate? Throw, not the children really)

    Only the authorities are not afraid of Grudinin personally, but of those moods that are beginning to rise. It is already obvious that the changes are ripe and the oligarchs in power will one way or another leave. The only question is time. Therefore, the media will continue to pour slop, and these will only find roughness) Just as some express concerns))) They will do everything to keep them in power longer.
    1. zivXP
      zivXP 21 February 2018 16: 00
      +16
      If someone had opened his mouth about the president’s son-in-law, then probably the entire editorial office would have been quarantined for ten years.
    2. LASVEGAS
      LASVEGAS 21 February 2018 16: 47
      +6
      Not afraid of power. Absolutely. Who is to be afraid of the mumbling collective-nonsense? The people behind "Grudinin will go ..." :) Where will he go? Collect Kulubnik? I can not promise a good life, that's what and how, and with whom to make a good life in the two dozen steps of the "people's" chosen one did not see. Yes, he has a surprise painted on the physicist, such as what, am I really here, will I not have anything for it? Clown.
      1. Z_G_R
        Z_G_R 21 February 2018 17: 25
        +12
        and it’s not about Grudinin already. The fact is that people begin to think and understand that the current system leads the country to collapse. The need for a change of course is obvious. Many fear here revolutions and Maidan, so do not be afraid of it. It is enough to recognize the election results. So far, of course, Putin will win. Now many more are in the media. After some time, everyone will take over and open their eyes to reality) So to speak, you need to feel everything on yourself. So, do not worry, if anyone makes a revolution, then not the Communist Party, Grudinin or someone else .. but those who will cheat and cling to power)
  6. Topotun
    Topotun 21 February 2018 14: 38
    +6
    Quote: Donskoy
    And it seems to me that you are slandering Pavel Nikolaevich. Perhaps you were misled by shit, maybe you are just afraid of any changes. This also happens, especially in older people. But not to see the impasse of the current system is simply impossible for a normal person.

    Perhaps, but are you sure that Grudinin does not offer you a variant of the same system? Well, a person cannot be smeared with capitalism as he is to stand as a candidate from the Communist Party. However, given the fear of the Communist Party to gain power ....
    1. Z_G_R
      Z_G_R 21 February 2018 14: 42
      +20
      I apologize for wedging myself, but Grudinin is not a candidate from the Communist Party. He is a candidate supported by the Communist Party. Check out who supports it besides the Communist Party. There are both red and white. I just read the comments and understand that people don’t understand who Grudinin represents and what his team offers.

      http://prezident.site/komanda-kandidata-v-prezide
      nty-pavla-grudinina / here you can get acquainted with the team and the forces that stand behind Grudinin. There are far from communists alone. And to combine both red and white, something incredible, well, or catastrophic must happen, as you like
      1. Topotun
        Topotun 21 February 2018 14: 45
        +3
        No, I’m in the know, but I don’t understand at all the obvious reluctance of the Communist Party to take part in the government of the country (with all responsibility for its decisions), it seems that they are quite satisfied with the current state of affairs. So they found someone to support ...
        1. zivXP
          zivXP 21 February 2018 16: 02
          +2
          the Communist Party’s obvious unwillingness to take part in the government of the country (with all responsibility for its decisions), it seems that they are quite satisfied with the current state of affairs

          There, obviously, not all of them are.
  7. Galleon
    Galleon 21 February 2018 14: 40
    +34
    Whoever says anything, I will vote for Grudinin!
    Say what you want. I do not write you disgusting things, I do not insult your candidates. That’s the whole difference between us.
    1. Lieutenant Captain
      Lieutenant Captain 21 February 2018 15: 24
      +17
      Quote: Galleon
      Whoever says anything, I will vote for Grudinin!
      Say what you want. I do not write you disgusting things, I do not insult your candidates. That’s the whole difference between us.

      I support you and subscribe to every word.
      I’ll vote for Grudinin, you can’t live like that anymore.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 22 February 2018 21: 09
        +3
        Quote: Captain of the Lieutenants
        Quote: Galleon
        Whoever says anything, I will vote for Grudinin!
        Say what you want. I do not write you disgusting things, I do not insult your candidates. That’s the whole difference between us.

        I support you and subscribe to every word.
        I’ll vote for Grudinin, you can’t live like that anymore.

        I'm with you!
    2. SOF
      SOF 21 February 2018 15: 43
      +11
      Quote: Galleon
      Whoever says anything, I will vote for Grudinin!
      Say what you want. I don’t write nasty things to you, I don’t insult your candidates. That’s the whole difference between us.

      ... and this is worthy of respect ... good
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 21 February 2018 15: 57
        +11
        Quote: SOF
        .and it's worthy of respect

        decent man, in solidarity
    3. Petr1968
      Petr1968 21 February 2018 16: 59
      +1
      Quote: Galleon
      Whoever says anything, I will vote for Grudinin!

      But will it change something or is it just a game like that, see how much he gets 5 or 15%?
  8. yehat
    yehat 21 February 2018 14: 43
    +3
    the only way to be sure that the candidate will fulfill or begin to fulfill his promises is the lack of space for maneuver - these are historical events, and the pressure of those on whom he relies and other factors that he cannot ignore. In my opinion, the best mechanism is the presence of a large party supported by the people without involving an “administrative resource” whose program coincides with the promises.
    The Communists and Grudinin seem to seemingly correspond to this and the right word, I want to support, but,
    if you include not the lower hemispheres and emotions, but the head, then the desire begins to fade - in fact the Communists do not represent the people, their and Grudinin’s slogans do not express the people's desire and demands of a solid strategic program, but rather momentary popular memes. Yes, all sorts of aunts or men who are tired at work and can’t strain, analyze, can tell. But how much can a donkey carrot cheat?
    Nothing has changed since Yeltsin’s time !!!
  9. cats
    cats 21 February 2018 14: 51
    +10
    For the bulkhead empty-headed youth, for the dog house 2 ... It's somehow clear .. But Grudinin ,? Well, maybe as a chairman, he will deal with state farms, but what about foreign policy? Will not our state be the size of its state farm? Maybe the titmouse of GDP is in the hands .. and gentlemen? hi
    1. lance
      lance 21 February 2018 15: 04
      0
      every nation deserves its ruler and this is the best of the worst ....
    2. Archivist Vasya
      Archivist Vasya 21 February 2018 15: 08
      +5
      Putin has established foreign policy, there are no complaints against him, if he tells me something. We would have to deal with internal affairs ... here Grudinin just fit. (although Putin will surely win, everyone knows that)
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      2. Petr1968
        Petr1968 21 February 2018 16: 57
        +9
        Quote: Archivist Vasya
        Putin has established a foreign policy

        Specifically, how has your life changed from this policy? Products have become worse and incomes are falling for the fourth year, is this a success? Is our foreign policy aimed at improving the life of the country or is it just a movie on TV?
        1. Archivist Vasya
          Archivist Vasya 21 February 2018 17: 22
          +2
          I’m talking about the external, and not the prices in the country - this is internal!
          Crimea, Syria, return of presence in the Arctic.
          As for the internal affairs, Putin only raised the defense industry, and did not achieve anything sensible, although he could.
        2. Loess
          Loess 21 February 2018 18: 44
          +3
          Quote: Petr1968
          Products have become worse and 4y year revenues are falling, is this the success?

          How did these products get worse? Is the potato square? Tomatoes are greener? Or is bread stale? Or are you talking about old wine and blue cheese? And about incomes ... Where does infa come from? From the media that "lie"? Or from statistics that "as they count, so will be"?
    3. Lieutenant Captain
      Lieutenant Captain 21 February 2018 15: 13
      +12
      Quote: Kotovsky
      But what about foreign policy?

      And what about her now, is there success?
      1. cats
        cats 21 February 2018 15: 28
        +8
        On TV, little is said about the chairperson. But in VO languages ​​are smooth .. winked Sory fans, if anyone offended.
    4. Jack
      Jack 21 February 2018 15: 36
      +3
      And what do you dislike about the same Lukashenko?
      1. Petr1968
        Petr1968 21 February 2018 16: 56
        +1
        Quote: Jack
        And what do you dislike about the same Lukashenko?

        What is the average salary in Belarus?
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  10. Archivist Vasya
    Archivist Vasya 21 February 2018 15: 05
    +15
    Needless to say, all this is only the false machinations of opponents, Grudinin did well, did not give up. As regards the election race, federal channels cannot be trusted, from the word at all.
    1. Loess
      Loess 21 February 2018 16: 08
      +8
      Quote: Archivist Vasya
      Grudinin well done, did not give up

      Right! I didn’t give up !!! I never returned the money to Russia)
      1. lance
        lance 21 February 2018 17: 36
        +2
        those. If you have these, then you all go home? have not seen the lads for a long time?
      2. jesus045
        jesus045 23 February 2018 13: 25
        0
        Vladimir Putin’s car fleet has not changed since 2008. It has three cars: two GAZ-21 Volga and one Niva. There is also a Skif trailer in 1987 - the dream of a Soviet tourist. It's a shame for Volodka))))
      3. You Vlad
        You Vlad 23 February 2018 16: 26
        0
        Quote: Less
        Right! I didn’t give up !!! I never returned the money to Russia)

        But because nezya, the owner does not order yes
    2. Petr1968
      Petr1968 21 February 2018 16: 52
      +2
      Quote: Archivist Vasya
      Needless to say, all this is only the false machinations of opponents, Grudinin did well, did not give up. As for the election race, federal channels cannot be trusted, from the word completely

      How convenient .. when we don’t feel like it, you can’t believe it, when you want it, you can. About Ukraine and Syria, you can believe or not, did not understand?)))
      1. Archivist Vasya
        Archivist Vasya 22 February 2018 09: 48
        0
        hahaha, why did you get that I believe in 100 what they say from the same channels about Ukraine and Syria .... What is not clear to you specifically with examples?
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    1. lance
      lance 21 February 2018 17: 42
      +1
      did he tell you who will lead the government with him? painted the main directions of the Russian Federation for the next 5 years?
      the same medical school, where is a solid program based on which people, what are the guarantees of a civil conflict in the country? etc. etc.
  13. New Year day
    New Year day 21 February 2018 15: 11
    +9
    2 days ago came across this. Read, not without interest.
    For seed:
    "And why not assume that Putin does not want to be in a similar situation and wants to leave the game? But we have how: the entrance is the ruble - the way out is two. You can’t just leave the game without serious consequences for yourself and for the country as a whole. Putin He carried out a personnel policy in such a way that he now has no one to rely on in his circle. He does not have a worthy successor. All prominent figures represent certain clans, and he does not shine with his abilities and moral qualities. Designate someone as a successor - other clans will unite against him and a squabble will begin, which will tear the country apart.

    Therefore, Putin came up with a cunning combination. He decided to bring to power a worthy man who is not connected with any clans. But to bring it in such a way that it would happen by itself, naturally, and even, kind of, contrary to the will of the president himself. Perhaps 2-3 people know about this operation, most likely from the retirees of the special services with whom Putin maintained a confidential personal relationship. They picked him up a suitable candidate - Pavel Nikolayevich Grudinin. "
    http://realtribune.ru/news/authority/690?utm_sour
    ce = politobzor.net
    1. Jack
      Jack 21 February 2018 15: 44
      +11
      The question is that if Putin continues to pursue Russia's policy, there will be an imminent collapse!
      Grudinin cannot be Putin's successor by definition, because he has completely different tasks!
      1. zivXP
        zivXP 21 February 2018 16: 10
        +3
        And what are his tasks? That will be a bummer about America.
    2. zivXP
      zivXP 21 February 2018 16: 09
      +1
      Putin does not want to be in a similar situation and wants to get out of the game

      I also made such conclusions from everything that happens. KhPP№2 (or 333?).
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 21 February 2018 16: 28
        +6
        Quote: zivXP
        I also made such conclusions from everything that happens.

        Can you imagine! here we swear, fight in death, but it turns out to be for the same thing! True, how then can ardent opponents of Grudinin look opponents in the eyes? After all, so much is said .....
  14. Z_G_R
    Z_G_R 21 February 2018 15: 13
    +9
    Quote: Nasr
    Quote: Z_G_R
    when was the last time you saw Putin without pieces of paper? =)

    13.02.18/14/55 at XNUMX:XNUMX ..
    So what?

    This is when he greeted chtoli? so there is no piece of paper. But in the debate, I would look at the guarantor)
  15. Odysseus
    Odysseus 21 February 2018 15: 20
    +8
    Of course, Grudinin’s nomination in itself is already a step forward in the release of the Communist Party from the control of the oligarchic-mafia regime (even though the nomination was paradoxically approved by the AP), but so far, of course, the Communist Party does not fight for power, and there is still a long way to go.
    As an example of the current situation of the complaint and Zyuganov’s appeal to citizen Putin with a request to “neutralize the Kremlin’s provocateurs”. That is, the bees are invited to fight against honey.
    On the whole, the scheme works so the regime needs at least some appearance, Zyuganov (on which there is nowhere to put the samples) can not provide it, hence the CPRF nominates a new candidate, but of course the candidate is safe and who has some incriminating evidence. However, the government enjoys such "support “citizens, that even such a candidate and even complete control over the media begins to create problems (they conduct closed opinion polls), hence the prophylactic urination of Grudinin in order to withstand the numbers 70 to 70 lowered from above.
    1. Petr1968
      Petr1968 21 February 2018 16: 50
      +4
      Quote: Odyssey
      Of course, Grudinin’s nomination in itself is already a step forward in the release of the Communist Party from the control of the oligarchic-mafia regime (even though the nomination was paradoxically approved by the AP), but so far, of course, the Communist Party does not fight for power, and there is still a long way to go.

      In Russia, power belongs and will belong to Putin .. where does the Communist Party ??? We do not have a parliamentary republic.
  16. Lexus
    Lexus 21 February 2018 15: 22
    +11
    Nasrat,
    "democracy" is a cancerous tumor in Russia. If you "operate", there is a likelihood of a "relapse." But if you leave it as it is, the "lethal" outcome is 100% guaranteed. So that...
    -------------------------------------------------
    It’s a bad habit for all people who don’t share your point of view to immediately “pile on guano with grease”.
    So usually the most ardent “dumbasses” act when there are no reasonable arguments and there is nothing to say against anything other than insults.
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  18. Monetniy
    Monetniy 21 February 2018 16: 42
    +9
    It’s time for a long time to send the whole gang of thief’s watering can to the bunks, crooks and thieves, how many people can be robbed. I urge everyone who is tired of these empty promises of this policy to vote for Pavel Grudinin!
    1. Petr1968
      Petr1968 21 February 2018 16: 49
      +3
      Quote: Monetniy
      I urge everyone who is tired of these empty promises of this policy to vote for Pavel Grudinin!

      And what will change? Salary will I have 3000 euros?
    2. lance
      lance 21 February 2018 17: 49
      0
      history shows that when a godfather changes, the robbery of the population of the zone increases. your evidence?
  19. New Year day
    New Year day 21 February 2018 16: 43
    +7
    Vend,
    don't go, it was like that. that they arrived and soon left.
    Nobody offers revolutions, they offer fair elections. In my opinion, this is normal.
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  21. New Year day
    New Year day 21 February 2018 17: 01
    +9
    Quote: Wend
    I understand that 954 doctors left for the villages near Moscow, this is a drop in the bucket, but they are going.

    understand what’s the matter. If you arrived in the suburbs, it means that they left somewhere. There, where they left the doctors will not be at all! I can say for Mordovia, the depresnyak is terrible. But the ambulance doctors moved up to the suburbs. There are 50% hospitals equipped with doctors from Mordovia. But in Mordovia - aren’t people really living? You can bring doctors from Asia, but I do not advise you.
    1. lance
      lance 21 February 2018 17: 55
      0
      something about education, especially professional I haven’t heard anything from sternum
  22. cedar
    cedar 21 February 2018 17: 26
    +3
    Quote: Silvestr
    Quote: Jack
    Without large-scale falsification of Putin Khan!

    for some reason I am convinced of this. Why? Do not know


    For some reason I know. A leader is being prepared for the fifth column. The defender of the disadvantaged masses, whose voting percentage was 99,9%, was better than the defender of the disadvantaged masses, but Putin and the government, of course, did not allow the popularly beloved and almost President Grudinin to take their rightful place in the Kremlin for the good and benefit of the country and people.
    Further, as in Ukraine, only with the maximum support of the entire liberal world, led by the United States and NATO ...
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 21 February 2018 18: 01
      +8
      Quote: cedar
      Further, as in Ukraine

      you scared me! We have a million guards! By the number of security forces per 1 citizen, above all in the world
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        1. rruvim
          rruvim 21 February 2018 19: 20
          +7
          Dead End of Humanism! Zyuganov greeted Berezovsky, what is his man now? And with whom only Putin did not greet !!!
        2. LeonidL
          LeonidL 22 February 2018 05: 16
          +1
          Communist Party - these fighters Uncle Zyu for the happiness of the working people for some reason do not even disdain to take money from rich Pinocchio and their dads Karlov ... Remember the tour of the waltz Zyu with the honest Mr. Khodorkovsky.
          1. You Vlad
            You Vlad 22 February 2018 16: 57
            0
            Quote: LeonidL
            these uncle siu wrestlers

            He is an old simple Lord.
  23. minomoto
    minomoto 21 February 2018 17: 42
    +1
    In my opinion there is a good way to check the candidate, if the West is against and yells that he is bad, then this should be taken. If the candidate is satisfied with the West or the West is loyal to him, and even more so if he drowns for him, then it makes sense to think hard about whose candidate he really is. You need to understand that the West will suit any candidate who will drag Russia to the bottom.
  24. rruvim
    rruvim 21 February 2018 18: 50
    +9
    It is clear that Grudinin is not the Nightingale of the Revolution. He is a poor speaker, illiterate politician. But he is a good (not effective in terms of) entrepreneur with ingrained leftist ideas. The collective farm is certainly not the State! But experience comes over the years, the more he clearly said that in case of victory (he will not be given this chance) he will recruit a team of technocrats. Not just technocrats, but nationally oriented technocrats. Yes, he says poorly: "He is not Solovyov, and not Kiselev." It is difficult for him to compete with populists such as the Foreman, who is “trained” by a whole team of PR trainers. All the successes and failures of Grudinin in entrepreneurial activity are a mirror of the development of medium-sized entrepreneurship of thousands of people who do not have access to the Yeltsin clan or the Moscow Choral Synagogue. Someone survived, someone not. The servants of the Yeltsin clan have been in power for 18 years. The program of Grudinin, it is precisely inside the economic part (the Brigadier has done enough in the foreign policy, it does not need to be changed) most of the members of the Forum are sure. It was approved by both left and right (meaning national-patriotic forces), but this program "infuriated" both pro-Kremlin forces and liberals. There is almost no dirt flow to Grudinin, there is not enough compromising, but the emphasis is on nonsense, like: Oligarch, account in Switzerland, protests of shareholders (although anyone knows that it was your choice to sell the unit, like a voucher, or not to sell). He is an entrepreneur, naturally he should have accounts, and even abroad. After all, they did not dismiss the Medvedev government after the Panama scandal! And how much "dough" was there for the ministers and their deputies, the heads of the committees? Hush up? Then you need to judge the Leader by the environment. But I do not like the long-term environment of the Foreman, except for a couple of people. And around Grudinin, though controversial, but clearly more worthy people from the Communist Party and the National Patriotic Forces. I didn’t want to go to the polls (with all due respect to Gennady Andreyevich - “got it”), but an Alternative appeared. And after the stupid and "vile" persecution of Grudinin by Putininoids, I will come and vote for Pavel Nikolaevich ...
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  25. mavrus
    mavrus 21 February 2018 18: 57
    +4
    Quote: Less
    In my opinion, Sobchak is conducting an election campaign more honestly than Grudinin. She does not go away from answers to uncomfortable questions, does not bother with accounts. Yes, she’s not a passing candidate, but she looks more honest. As for such "dinosaurs" of the presidential race, they have too much experience to give rise to scandals.

    Well, well ... you are our liberal. But what I completely agree with you is that Sobchak leads the election campaign more than anybody else. If she hates Russia with her whole soul, then this is not trying to hide. If she considers all of us, Russians, cattle, then this emphasizes in every way ...
  26. earloop
    earloop 21 February 2018 19: 05
    +2
    In the USSR, he was the first person, a self-taught "maize". But time is running out! And now to replace self-taught ones. came a certified peasant "mechanized strawberry", and even, a little bit, pod-pe-es-esnik. But we were not lucky with varying degrees of party affiliation of "growers"! We decided once again to test the fate of the "plant grower". Logically, a certified peasant - a "livestock breeder" should be a presidential candidate.
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 21 February 2018 19: 18
      +6
      In fact, Grudinin was not only engaged in strawberries and is engaged as an entrepreneur. Also, construction, metal and plastic manufacturing, logistics, wholesale and retail trade, the electric power industry, investments in the military-industrial complex (yes! The military-industrial complex), and besides strawberries, there are also a dozen different plants. What do you "stick" to only one strawberry?
      1. cedar
        cedar 21 February 2018 19: 27
        +3
        Let him continue to work, who does not give him? Assign him the title of President of the CJSC and deal with the end.
        Everyone will be happy except the US State Department ...
        1. rruvim
          rruvim 21 February 2018 19: 34
          +6
          The State Department is unhappy with everyone. Especially by those who do not fulfill his instructions, although they regularly receive a salary. A vote for Grudinin, this is not a vote for a specific person, this is a vote for the program for the further development of the country and for like-minded people who share it. And you can vote for Putin as an individual. Wise and “kind” King. Six more years, and then the Constitution can be changed. "Many summers" !!! As they say....
      2. Monetniy
        Monetniy 22 February 2018 07: 05
        +1
        And the construction of schools, kindergartens and hospitals
  27. cedar
    cedar 21 February 2018 19: 58
    +3
    Quote: rruvim
    The State Department is unhappy with everyone. Especially by those who do not fulfill his instructions, although they regularly receive a salary. And voting for Grudinin is not voting for a specific person, this is a vote for the program for the further development of the country and for like-minded people who share it. And you can vote for Putin as an individual. Wise and “kind” King. Six more years, and then the Constitution can be changed. "Many summers" !!! As they say....

    Yeah, they’re cutting this country under the nut under a program of like-minded people from the State Department.
    Ukraine has already been programmed ... Like-minded people there are building a US Navy base in Ochakovo.
    Who would you say about 15 years ago, you would never have believed it, but there’s a fact.
    Is it really a terrible example of the wrong choice of the Ukrainian people that our people did not teach?
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  31. Disorder
    Disorder 21 February 2018 21: 38
    +2
    What did they want? They took a micro-oligarch, who generally used to hang out in edrosov, gave him away as the director of a state farm and handed him a program with which Zyuganov had earlier gone to the polls.
  32. dison
    dison 22 February 2018 00: 02
    +2
    You can at least sprinkle the entire monitor with saliva, but nothing shines on your Grudinin. tongue
  33. Satum
    Satum 22 February 2018 05: 02
    +2
    HOW tired of juvenile "fighters against corruption." They are any g ... but give it just to fight theft. They don’t read anything, they only watch video cards on Yandex and don’t know anything about the state of affairs in Russia. Now here is the sternum which is protected by Turnul from United Russia. Sobchak. Honestly, they don’t understand anything at all because of this corruption. Bezdari has grown, and they sell Russia in pieces with blog intentions
    1. nemec55
      nemec55 22 February 2018 05: 26
      +2
      HOW tired of minors

      STRONGLY ADULT YOU? At 17m from Aurora did you give a volley?
      He sat down at the clave and immediately saw in all the youngsters of the virgins, pensioner
  34. LeonidL
    LeonidL 22 February 2018 05: 14
    +2
    I can not understand the mourners of the Communist Party! well, they didn’t bother to check and clean their Pinocchio candidate. Accustomed to put forward a sterile clean uncle Zu, so who is to blame? It is clear that the presidential candidate will be examined more closely than the directors of the state farm and the CEC and the tax and ... competitors! especially from the Liberal Democratic Party - there is logging for second place in the election. ... Bills came up, the little houses of the little son ... just like the other "non-communist" Pinocchio. Well, who is to blame that the loving dad Pinocchio sponsored his Pinocchio son Cridita to buy houses? The houses are then the millionth in dollars, who will give the son, besides daddy, a credit card? so that "comrade" Gro needs to be more calm and not to twitch, if he got into the pluck.
    1. nemec55
      nemec55 22 February 2018 05: 37
      +1
      I can not understand the mourners of the Communist Party! well, they didn’t bother to check and clean their Pinocchio candidate. Accustomed to put forward a sterile clean uncle Zu, so who is to blame? It is clear that the presidential candidate will be examined more closely than the directors of the state farm and the CEC and the tax and ... competitors! especially from the Liberal Democratic Party - there is logging for second place in the election. ... Bills came up, the little houses of the little son ... just like the other "non-communist" Pinocchio. Well, who is to blame that the loving dad Pinocchio sponsored his Pinocchio son Cridita to buy houses? The houses are then the millionth in dollars, who will give the son, besides daddy, a credit card? so that "comrade" Gro needs to be more calm and not to twitch, if he got into the pluck.


      It’s not for you to give advice on how to lead Comrade Grudinin. Or has the All-Russian Central Executive Committee already removed Grudinin from the election due to violations?
      1. LeonidL
        LeonidL 22 February 2018 05: 45
        +2
        Not the All-Russian Central Executive Committee, but the CEC, the sweetest "pointer" to whom and how to give advice. Moreover, I think that the CEC is doing everything to leave the “comrade” of the communist Pinocchio on the lists - smart people are sitting there. Well, turn on your brains - a house in Spain is recognized by Grudinin as a house of his son. did you see him I - yes, I saw. Such a house with a pool in such an area will draw a million bucks, plus maintenance, plus real estate tax (and for a foreigner it is always high) and so on. No matter how much his son earns him such money on credit (a loan, call a mogridge whatever you like), no one in Spain will give. Who could give in Russia? I doubt that there is another person besides the child-loving Grudinin senior. This is normal for Russian Pinocchio. it’s another matter that a person going to the presidential election is examined much more thoroughly than just a director of a state farm. And not only and not so much the official bodies - how many competitors are candidates. By the way, Zhirinovsky was the first to raise a question about real estate. Is it a coincidence? Include more brains, dear.
        1. nemec55
          nemec55 22 February 2018 05: 47
          +3
          For me it’s the sweetest All-Russian Central Executive Committee
          According to your presidency should go homeless If a person has money does not mean that he is a bad person
          And the most important thing when choosing Grudinin is the understanding that not every Grudinin will come to power in every village in a village or city, but simply other people people who will pursue a different development course for the country.
        2. Monetniy
          Monetniy 22 February 2018 07: 10
          +2
          AND? Does he have a son in the government or some kind of official? They don’t saw this money directly from the budget, unlike the friends of our brightest and not vicious, what kind of yacht castles and palaces do they have for such merits?
      2. You Vlad
        You Vlad 22 February 2018 17: 05
        +2
        Quote: nemec55
        to comrade Grudinin

        What comrade is he to us, the Tambov wolf is his comrade wink That's because people believe everyone lol Wanted gum and Pepsi got, now they want to go back to communism, but you’ll only have a problem for me, vote for me! Wake up the train left and can’t get it back, but you can again scam the country with these traitors who speculate in our memory across the USSR! I wouldn’t even trust this pot make, soprut yes
  35. Lexa-149
    Lexa-149 22 February 2018 11: 42
    +2
    The oligarchy will not allow Grudinin to become a leader, because he wants to take away their natural wealth. So they wet him from all sides!
    1. Esoteric
      Esoteric 22 February 2018 19: 19
      +2
      The rating of Grudinin and Putin is indicated in the number of “pluses” for the first two posts. So, close and shake quietly, for the power of the oligarchs is not eternal ...