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Why Russia rushes to build new nuclear power plants

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Why Russia rushes to build new nuclear power plants



In 2018, two new nuclear units will be connected at once to the unified Russian power system: the 1 unit of the Leningrad NPP-2 under construction and the Rostov NPP unit 4. And if with the first one everything is simple and clear, a new station is being built next to the decommissioning of the Leningrad NPP, then stories the last two, Rostov, blocs had a lot of politics, and therefore it came out very fascinating.

The second stage of the Rostov NPP as part of the South Stream project

Initially, according to the Federal Target Program “Development of the Nuclear Power Industry Complex of Russia on 2007 — 2010. and for the future to 2015, ”the construction of the second stage (3 and 4 units) of the Rostov NPP in the VVER-1200 project, fundamentally new for Russia, was proposed.

The need for their construction was caused by the launch of the new ambitious energy project "South Stream". As we remember, in 2005-2006, the first gas war broke out between Ukraine and Russia. As a result, the Russian leadership decided to exclude Ukraine from the list of Russian gas transit countries to Europe, if possible. If we combine the two processes together, the implementation of the South Stream project and the plans for the construction of the second stage of the Rostov NPP, we will see that they have always moved in sync. And this is not by chance.

The fact is that South Stream itself was supposed to be only a continuation of a large project to redirect Russian gas pipelines from the Ukrainian direction to the Kuban. It was called the Southern Corridor, and Russia began its implementation as soon as the first serious contracts for the construction of a pipe under the Black Sea were concluded, that is, in the 2010 year (!).



In order to pump billions of cubes of gas through the undersea pipe, in fact, two new gas pipelines with a total length of more than 2 500 km had to be built. At the same time, along the gas pipeline route, 12 powerful compressor stations with a total capacity of more than 1,5 GW were to be built. Actually, for their energy supply, first of all, new units of the Rostov NPP were intended.

Peripetia of construction

So, the decision to build the second stage of the Rostov NPP was made at the beginning of 2009, the programs were approved, and work had to be started. But Rosatom clearly did not have time to complete work on the design of a new and safe VVER-1200 unit (as part of the AES-2006 program), and therefore, to avoid the risk of meeting deadlines during the implementation of such a strategically important project, it was decided to build a couple of new units according to the old design of the WWER-1000.

In general, the inhabitants of the Crimea should put a candle to those who conceived in 2007 to carry out an underwater pipe along the bottom of the Black Sea. If it were not for this decision, they would still be sitting by candlelight and would wait for the commissioning of two gas thermal power plants in Simferopol and Sevastopol.

The fact is that 2014 brought the South Stream project a most unpleasant surprise. After frank pressure from Washington, a key country, Bulgaria, refused it, and Turkey, which Gazprom had “in reserve”, using its “indispensability”, suddenly wanted to revise the terms of the agreement. The gas flow project hung in the air, and, as we understand, the second stage of the Rostov NPP, too.

Rather, only one (third) unit remained in demand, and it was started to be erected with a speed unprecedented in Russia (due to some winding up of work at the site of the 4 unit). The fact is that the Crimea became part of Russia, and the problem of the energy blockade of the peninsula rose to its full height. In order to break through it, and quickly, it was decided to use the energy reserves of the "South Stream". Thus was born the idea of ​​an energy bridge.



We follow the chronology. 17 September 2015 of the year The 3 unit of the Rostov NPP was commissioned (more than two months earlier), and in less than three months its electricity was transferred to the Crimea along the first line of the energy bridge.

Meanwhile, Moscow after a short delay, in the spring and summer of 2016, still pressed Turkey, and Ankara agreed to implement the South Stream project, but in a slightly modified version. And it meant that the electric power of the 4 of the Rostov power unit again became in demand, and no later than the end of 2018-beginning of 2019. And it gave impetus to the acceleration of work on this site.

Already by the beginning of December 2017, the construction of the block was completed and its physical launch was made. And 1 February 2018, the first megawatts developed at the 4-m power unit of the Rostov NPP, began to flow into a single power grid of Russia.



By this time, almost half of the pipes of both “threads” of the “Turkish Stream” had been laid.

In general, everything is going according to plans and even a little ahead of schedule. And it is possible that it is still useful. If there is a need to launch the Turkish “stream” six months earlier, I personally do not see a big technical problem in this. And this unforeseen “option” can come in handy just as in the case of the Crimean energy bridge.
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  1. andrewkor
    andrewkor 21 February 2018 06: 31
    +3
    With electricity and gas in the Crimea, it’s more or less clear, but how are things with the water supply! Enlighten, who is in the know?
    1. 210ox
      210ox 21 February 2018 07: 03
      +7
      Electricity in the south is generally tight. I know for myself. It really started to straighten. And there’s not even a gas pipe. There is also a massive relocation to the same Kuban and increased energy intensity of the equipment.
      1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
        Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 21 February 2018 07: 59
        +16
        As for the Rostov NPP, as far as I know, the construction of the 3 power unit was carried out by the K-KNUMX double-tower crane. Of the 10000 cranes, 15 units were delivered to the United States, and 2 units in the USSR. This crane has stood idle since the 13s in Kama Polyany near the unfinished nuclear power unit. A crane of an interesting design, assembled itself, the cabin as a small family with all amenities. The crane was moved from the site of the unfinished Tatar NPP in Kama Polyana to the construction site of Kalinin NPP for the construction of the fourth power unit, and subsequently, after completion of construction work at the Kalinin NPP, it was used in the construction of the 90 and 3 power units of the Rostov NPP. The length of the main boom is more than 4 meters, load capacity about 80 tons. The total height of the crane (main + auxiliary) is 240 meters.)

        1. 44 Locomotive
          44 Locomotive 25 February 2018 03: 05
          0
          she is not the only one in the Kostroma region. they also didn’t finish building, and they also pulled everything away "ostensibly under public pressure." and also people hoped for jobs. what kind of "public" is this that is "crushing and crushing" ...
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        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 21 February 2018 09: 30
          0
          That means generating capacities, in exchange for gas, will be on the peninsula itself.
        2. Rostislav
          Rostislav 21 February 2018 09: 53
          +7
          Nonsense RBC writes and stirs up panic.
          The arbitration court in The Hague considers disputes exclusively with the consent of the governments of the countries participating in the proceedings. Only in this case, the parties will be required to comply with the decision of the court. I think Moscow will never agree to such a trial, as China regularly does, rejecting in this way the claims of Vietnam and others against disputed islands.
          1. Kent0001
            Kent0001 21 February 2018 10: 47
            +5
            Well, we are neither CHINA. I generally have recently a lot of questions to the leadership about the various "deflections" under the "partners".
            1. Galina Artamonova
              Galina Artamonova 21 February 2018 12: 01
              +2
              Look, no one is whining, everyone is working, and no one is bending "That's what Russia managed to do in 3 months" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr0hLzfHnHE
              1. Mih1974
                Mih1974 21 February 2018 19: 48
                +12
                A kam in the IOC - gave 15 million bucks negative . This, in your opinion, is not deflection, but as for me, there is nowhere more cumbersome. Instead of waving a pen and “go, go and you go with your wada” and “we don’t need such a hockey” to leave the IOC. And the athletes "showing patriotism and sports solidarity" - under a white rag, spitting on those of their brothers who were not allowed to go, went to lick a boot that kicks Russia. negative Loot from the American Treasures withdrawn - NO, even more there we swell !! am fool Well, show us "do not bend" and I notice you not about words from the stands or balabolstvo, but about REAL actions.
                1. jhltyjyjctw
                  jhltyjyjctw 24 February 2018 20: 38
                  0
                  Quote: Mih1974
                  about REAL actions.
                  Reply Quote


                  There is a time for everything, comrade. And the collector will pass along our street.
            2. Petr1968
              Petr1968 21 February 2018 13: 58
              +3
              Quote: Kent0001
              Well, we are neither CHINA. I generally have recently a lot of questions to the leadership about the various "deflections" under the "partners".

              The Russian people will make the right choice on March 18, do not worry.
              1. Eugene 84
                Eugene 84 23 February 2018 13: 03
                +1
                Twenty-five again.
        3. Sergey_I
          Sergey_I 21 February 2018 10: 32
          0
          There is nothing to be done, the production will have to be stopped
        4. vlad007
          vlad007 21 February 2018 10: 33
          +8
          Quote: Crypto
          Energy in Crimea will get worse

          From the Turkish stream to the Crimea branch is planned. Gas in the Crimea will be enough.
          1. Kent0001
            Kent0001 21 February 2018 10: 49
            +4
            Yes, the point is a little different. we are simply already surrendering previously conquered positions, and this is the lot of the weak. This will continue to be used, even by the defective hohlostan.
            1. EvilLion
              EvilLion 21 February 2018 11: 22
              +10
              It’s you who surrender, though it’s not clear what, you won nothing.
            2. Galina Artamonova
              Galina Artamonova 21 February 2018 11: 53
              +6
              Tired of aching critics. In fact, a lot of solutions to energy problems have already been invented and are being implemented. These are wind power plants, solar panels, stations using wave energy and bio-energy. All this is quite suitable for Crimea.
              1. groks
                groks 21 February 2018 12: 48
                +6
                wind power plants
                This is 5!
                bioenergy
                Generally 6.
                1. Mih1974
                  Mih1974 21 February 2018 19: 50
                  +4
                  Do not argue with, it still remains mysterious for them that "the production of solar panels takes more energy than it then produces for ALL the time it works." fool
              2. Vladimir 5
                Vladimir 5 21 February 2018 19: 20
                +11
                All these mentioned renewable energy stations all over the world are unprofitable and live off subsidies, when you press different moved green parties .. This whim will be unbearable for a long time ...
                1. smart ass
                  smart ass 25 February 2018 07: 57
                  +1
                  The future of nuclear energy
            3. NEOZ
              NEOZ 21 February 2018 11: 57
              +1
              perhaps we are really weak ...
              and there's nothing to be done about it!
          2. pytar
            pytar 21 February 2018 11: 23
            +7
            At the moment, pre-design training is underway on the gas pipeline from Crimea to Bulgarian Dobrudja. Distance is only 370 km.

            According to some information, the gas pipeline through the Kerch bridge was laid, has a capacity of 3-4 times the potential needs of Crimea, which hints at the reservation of capacity for other purposes. The route from Crimea to Dobrudge is the shortest and cheapest, but for political reasons it is unlikely to be implemented. Although, in principle, everything is possible.
            1. Vladimir 5
              Vladimir 5 21 February 2018 19: 24
              0
              When Turkey once again sticks a knife in the back of the Russian Federation deeper. then the Crimean version will become the main ... Therefore, it is immediately necessary to prepare. And why didn’t they go to the Bulgarian coast? After all, the Bulgarian government has recently agreed and pushed the EU ....
              1. Rustic i ......
                Rustic i ...... 21 February 2018 21: 40
                +2
                Given that Bulgaria is such a "reliable partner"?
                1. pytar
                  pytar 21 February 2018 23: 06
                  +2
                  Given that Bulgaria is such a "reliable partner"?

                  Bulgaria is a very reliable partner! It doesn’t matter what nonsense they write in rus-media.
                  Many people deliberately confuse things while missing a few important facts! 1.According to the norms of the European Union, European legislation takes precedence over national ones. 2. All projects executed on the territory of the EU member states, must respond to Euro-laws. 3. Attempts to get around the EC usually lead to failures. This is for Gazprom ...
              2. pytar
                pytar 21 February 2018 22: 59
                +2
                When Turkey once again sticks a knife in the back of the Russian Federation deeper. then the Crimean version will become the main ... Therefore, it is immediately necessary to prepare. And why didn’t they go to the Bulgarian coast? After all, the Bulgarian government has recently agreed and pushed the EU ....

                When the UE was laid, Krym was not yet Russian. From Krym to Dobrudzh, the distance is 2,5 times shorter than in the southwest. Yes, they / Gazprom / back in 2016, began surveys of the bottom of the sea, west of Crimea. But the EU is unlikely to recognize Crimea as Russian soon, so ... we'll see. And they have not yet gone to the Bulgarian coast, because Miller and the GDP "went to the Turkish coast." This is such a strategic doctrine of GDP, which has more risks than advantages. Future will tell. Erdogan cannot be trusted. As for the EU, a dispute has already been reached on the construction of a gas super hub near Varna. All European institutions have made positive recommendations. I suppose there will soon be news on the matter. It is unlikely that GDP will put everything on one mine / Turkey /.
                1. Dude
                  Dude 23 February 2018 02: 40
                  0
                  With GDP, I'm afraid it will easily become to put all the eggs in one basket. Judging by his tender friendship with Erdogan, state interests concern our leader last sad
                  1. smart ass
                    smart ass 25 February 2018 07: 59
                    +3
                    What kind of nonsense are you talking
            2. antivirus
              antivirus 21 February 2018 22: 20
              0
              Although, in principle, everything is possible.

              put away - take a closer look
            3. nik13
              nik13 22 February 2018 10: 05
              +3
              in the future, the Bulgarian version will also be implemented as an alternative route, so that Turkey does not "play pranks" like Ukraine
          3. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 21 February 2018 17: 25
            +2
            Quote: vlad007
            A branch is planned from the Turkish stream to the Crimea.

            I wish my mother had an offshoot in Mezhdurechensk! laughing
            1. Yngvar
              Yngvar 22 February 2018 06: 58
              +9
              I wish we had gasified villages in Siberia! All for sale! Laughter and tears, we’re drowning with firewood, and then it will not be soon - the Chinese are felled and taken out under the clear forest ... They can’t cut their own ...
              1. Dude
                Dude 23 February 2018 02: 41
                -1
                What do you want from compradors?
              2. Edvid
                Edvid 26 February 2018 00: 04
                +3
                For the vast territory of Russia, it is extremely expensive to distribute gas to the population through pipes ... It is much more convenient to supply liquefied gas. The only question is the price per cylinder. In the latter case, if the government pursues a social policy - to limit the greed of the oligarchs, then everything will be fine ...
                1. Yngvar
                  Yngvar 26 February 2018 17: 45
                  +2
                  Our government has everything for its people EVERYTHING! And therefore, nefig pamper him (the population) ... In our region, oil and gas are also extracted, and you can’t see the construction of an oil refinery - oligarchs forbid! It’s easier to drag gas from our oil to us for 1000 miles - it has become more expensive because of logistics!
                  Gasification of the population of the gas producing region is only 15% - a shoemaker without boots!
        5. kpd
          kpd 21 February 2018 10: 57
          +4
          The gas pipeline to the Crimea through the Kerch Strait has already been thrown. So the decrease in gas production is completely compensated by gas from the mainland. But for the price of gas, I won’t say so for sure - it may well turn out that mainland gas is also cheaper.
        6. kapitan92
          kapitan92 21 February 2018 12: 11
          +5
          Quote: Crypto
          With energy in the Crimea, it will become even worse, the Russian Federation intends to freeze production at the Odessa offshore gas field, which provides 50% of Crimea’s demand for "blue fuel". As RBC writes:

          In addition to RBC, there are other sources of info. Indeed, a decision has been made to stop gas production. This is due to the lawsuit on the suit of the outskirts. “No person - no problem”, as they say, no booty - no reason to satisfy the lawsuit. The work will be completed in June 2018. This year, the commissioning of two TPPs under construction is planned, I am sure that they will not remain without gas. hi
          1. Mih1974
            Mih1974 21 February 2018 19: 53
            +2
            I feel in the morning - this is a measure of "sitting out", that is, it is understood that in the near future the issue of any claims from the country of Ukraine due to the "retirement of such a thing" may be removed. repeat
            1. Dude
              Dude 23 February 2018 02: 48
              -2
              And again, HPP?
        7. 210ox
          210ox 21 February 2018 14: 00
          +1
          Well, since "such a" war has begun, then RBC will go to get the gas itself. Fake informants.
          Quote: Crypto
          With energy in the Crimea, it will become even worse, the Russian Federation intends to freeze production at the Odessa offshore gas field, which provides 50% of Crimea’s demand for "blue fuel". As RBC writes:
          The Russian authorities plan to stop economic activity at the Odessa gas field, which provides Crimea with almost half of its own gas production. Such a decision, according to three federal officials, is connected with the international arbitration dispute in the law of the sea, which Ukraine initiated against Russia in September 2016. Ukraine’s claims in this dispute concern a wide range of issues related to Russia's activities in the Black Sea after the accession of Crimea. In particular, the Ukrainian president Petro Poroshenko said that, while extracting gas at the Odessa and other fields off the coast of Crimea, Russia “steals” natural resources “on the Ukrainian sea shelf”.

          Here is such a "hybrid war."
      3. segamegament
        segamegament 26 February 2018 00: 10
        0
        What is tight !? What is tight? When at least there was a fan, enlighten, or even forgot when they turned off what year? ))))
    2. kpd
      kpd 21 February 2018 11: 01
      +6
      It’s heavy with water. Drinking water, in principle, is enough. There is practically no water for agriculture. The industry was also obliged in every way to save the consumed water. It seems they were going to throw a water pipe over the bridge under construction, but so far nothing concrete has been heard there.
      1. kapitan92
        kapitan92 21 February 2018 12: 21
        +5
        Quote: kpd
        It’s heavy with water. Drinking water, in principle, is enough. There is practically no water for agriculture. The industry was also obliged in every way to save the consumed water. It seems they were going to throw a water pipe over the bridge under construction, but so far nothing concrete has been heard there.

        Water supply on the bridge will not solve the problem, the scale is not the same.
        It's time to learn from the Arabs. There are dozens of desalination stations in the Emirates. The process of desalination is energy-intensive and costly, the Arabs took the path of using solar energy to make the cost economically viable, and desalination plants using solar energy have already been launched.
        Are there few sunny days in Crimea?
        1. Mih1974
          Mih1974 21 February 2018 19: 57
          +2
          in fact, compared with Arabia - very few. For good - it is necessary to build a nuclear power plant in the Crimea. And what's more, since the nuclear power plants in Ukria will soon be somehow stopped (preferably without taking off to heaven) and somewhere they will have to take leprosy anyway, then we need to build a nuclear power plant with us at least to connect the nearest areas to us, of course weighty payment laughing good
          1. Dude
            Dude 23 February 2018 02: 51
            -2
            Salvage is our everything? In a trend, in a trend ...
    3. siberalt
      siberalt 21 February 2018 17: 34
      +10
      Interesting story. Siberian gas past Siberia to Europe and China. A nuclear power plant to support what's past its end consumers. recourse Then we wonder why our "fat" run there and their major children there to study.
    4. sevsor
      sevsor 22 February 2018 22: 04
      +6
      andrewkor? I see that no one answered your question on the water supply in the Crimea, so I will do it))
      In the central and southern parts of Crimea, water supply is quite decent, in Simferopol, Sevastopol, Yalta, there are no problems, but in the northern Crimea there are difficulties with providing residents with high-quality drinking water. There are various projects on how to rectify the situation, but there is no final decision yet. I think that everything will be solved, after all, we are in Russia, and not in this misunderstanding, which was once called Ukraine.
    5. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 23 February 2018 21: 34
      +2
      Put atomic desalination plants, experience is available (port of Shevchenko), and Saudi Arabs use it all the time and there are no problems with water.
    6. Valery Saitov
      Valery Saitov 26 February 2018 14: 23
      +1
      "In September 2016, the construction of three underground water intakes was completed. So far, delivery is on a temporary basis - about 70 thousand cubic meters. With the delivery of the first stage of the water supply, the supply will increase to 195 thousand cubic meters, and there will be no problems with providing water to the eastern part of Crimea" - said the interlocutor of the agency.

      According to him, 30 km of pipes will be laid from the constructed water intake in the Nizhnegorsky district to the discharge point into the channel of the empty North Crimean Canal. Until 2020, as part of the implementation of the Federal Targeted Program for the Socio-Economic Development of Crimea, the main water conduit will continue directly to Kerch, the extreme eastern point of the Crimean Peninsula, with a total length of about 220 km.
      To improve the quality characteristics of drinking water in the settlements of Crimea, it is proposed to place small desalination plants of a new generation, which can produce fresh water for drinking and technical needs.
    7. Simfy
      Simfy 27 February 2018 20: 04
      0
      Since 2014, nature has helped) reservoirs are full, with electricity it will become easier after the launch of 2 TPPs in Simferopol and Sevastopol
  2. Evdokim
    Evdokim 21 February 2018 06: 41
    +10
    If there is a need to launch the “Turkish stream” six months earlier, then I don’t see a big technical problem. And this unforeseen “option” may come in handy, just like in the case of the “Crimean energy bridge”.

    Everything that is done or is built for the better. And if you don’t do anything, but scream that everything is lost and stolen, you can die of hunger or freeze. hi
  3. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 21 February 2018 06: 58
    +16
    It’s cool that Russia builds the “South Stream” to Turkey only with its own money, the Turks don’t care at all ... they have Azerbaijan as a priority, the “Gazprom” stream needs the Turks purely to manipulate the prices in their favor using the competitive "struggle", and put pressure on Russia "interested in the" flow "for its political goals ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 21 February 2018 09: 32
      +3
      Turkey will soon sit on the gas needle.
      1. pytar
        pytar 21 February 2018 11: 11
        +2
        Turkey will soon sit on the gas needle.

        Most likely, Russia will receive another “Ukraine” in time ...
        1. EvilLion
          EvilLion 21 February 2018 11: 24
          +4
          Bulgaria was invited to participate and have a share in the coming decades. But Bulgaria does not need money and jobs.
          1. pytar
            pytar 21 February 2018 11: 42
            +1
            Bulgaria was invited to participate and have a share in the coming decades. But Bulgaria does not need money and jobs.

            The recommendations of the European Commission are binding on all EU countries. Not a single project from this category can be built on the territory of the EU without the approval of European institutions. Calculations of fines / profits are extremely clear! They are not crawling UP.
            1. vka
              vka 21 February 2018 17: 22
              +3
              in justification you can think of anything, the main thing is not to be guilty ...
              1. pytar
                pytar 21 February 2018 18: 02
                0
                in justification you can think of anything, the main thing is not to be guilty ...

                "excuse", "guilty" ... There are no such categories in business, except if the contract is not violated! Then the court decides who is right! hi
    2. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 21 February 2018 09: 52
      +1
      In April 2018, a meeting between Russian President Vladimir Putin and his Turkish counterpart Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Iranian leader Hassan Rouhani will be held in Turkey.

      Deputy Prime Minister Bekir Bozdag: "In early April, Putin and Erdogan will meet in Turkey after the March talks between the foreign ministers on the Syrian settlement. Then, a Russia-Turkey-Iran summit is expected to be held on Syria."
      Again sideways for a star-striped ..
      1. Captain45
        Captain45 21 February 2018 11: 13
        +8
        Quote: To be or not to be
        At 2018 Mr. will meet in Turkey President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin with Turkish counterpart Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Iranian leader Hassan Rouhani.

        Colleague, did you work for Wang? what The presidential election will be held on March 18,and you already know for sure that in April Putin V.V. will be President belay request laughing
        1. EvilLion
          EvilLion 21 February 2018 11: 25
          +3
          And he will perform duties until what date in case of not re-election?
        2. Poppy
          Poppy 21 February 2018 11: 30
          +3
          Do you doubt it?
        3. BAI
          BAI 21 February 2018 16: 00
          +1
          Yes, it was known to everyone in 2012.
      2. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 22 February 2018 23: 59
        +1
        Hassan Rowhani is the president, but not the leader of Iran. The leader is still Rahbar Ayatollah Khamenei. The Iranian president is essentially the prime minister elected by the people.
    3. kit88
      kit88 21 February 2018 10: 01
      +5
      It's cool that a 30 billion flow of Gazprom is needed to manipulate the 10 billion Azerbaijani. :)
      In general, the Turks have the Turks in priority
    4. kava61
      kava61 21 February 2018 16: 08
      0
      The answer is all the same, this is the answer of a near-by person and not knowledge of Turkey’s gas needs.
    5. siberalt
      siberalt 21 February 2018 19: 07
      +6
      Yes, there is no politics there (since Turkey will have the valve). A purely oligarchic business under the umbrella of the Guarantor. In case of failure, the population of the Russian Federation will be calculated. Again, the elderly will be left without the "coffin" accumulated over the years. Burry for free, but at a discount. lol Something like this. hi
    6. Mih1974
      Mih1974 21 February 2018 20: 01
      +2
      Azerbaijan has already found ALL its gas and production is steadily declining. If the same Azerbaijan is going to grow in terms of economy and industry, it can generally go from a “donor” to a gas buyer. Not to mention Turkey, which didn’t just spread us into a “gratuitous” nuclear power plant like suckers, the costs of lipestrism are constantly growing in the world, and by 2035 global doubling of consumption is expected. So today - it may not hang, and in the very near tomorrow - they will suck that they will drive away with a stick. lol
  4. Vard
    Vard 21 February 2018 07: 14
    +11
    Investments in the South Stream are so large that at current gas prices we will trade at a loss ... It is we ... Gazprom will not be left at the expense of domestic gas prices ...
    1. Lieutenant Captain
      Lieutenant Captain 21 February 2018 07: 39
      +17
      Quote: Vard
      Investments in the South Stream are so large that at current gas prices we will trade at a loss ... It is we ... Gazprom will not be left at the expense of domestic gas prices ..

      The whole question is that precisely We have nothing to do with either Gazprom or Rosneft, from the very moment the state itself was privatized.
      And for example, we can say that the total budget of these monsters is 4 times larger than the country's budget.
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion 21 February 2018 08: 24
        +3
        Gazprom is actually a state office. As for the budget, Yukos there reached some comparable values ​​... And also Standart Oil in the USA at one time.
        1. Lieutenant Captain
          Lieutenant Captain 21 February 2018 08: 27
          +6
          Quote: EvilLion
          Gazprom is actually a state office.

          The statement is very controversial, even taking into account the fact that you have not read the first paragraph of the comment. hi
        2. Crypto
          Crypto 21 February 2018 09: 11
          +12
          Gazprom is actually a state office

          Privatization of profits, nationalization of debts.
        3. bk316
          bk316 21 February 2018 11: 56
          +5
          Gazprom is actually a state office

          Remember once and for all, Gazprom is a PAO - PUBLIC JOINT-STOCK COMPANY
          Goskontora is FSUE or GK
          1. BAI
            BAI 21 February 2018 16: 01
            +1
            Absolutely, I wanted to write it myself.
      2. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 21 February 2018 09: 11
        +10
        wink And note, these budgets are very opaque, as are the salaries of the captains of these companies. And since Sechin ignored the call to court, he speaks better than any analogies about his attitude to the court and to the people of Russia. He can, he’s a stuck friend of Putin. But if it’s impossible for you! winked
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 21 February 2018 09: 36
          0
          Yes, all do not care what he ignored there.
        2. Mih1974
          Mih1974 21 February 2018 20: 10
          +1
          Nude nude, I want to twist the newspaper "the head of the Rockefellers was summoned to a New York court and he appeared to testify." good laughing laughing . Remember once and for all - She is not in power so that any "black" would stick a stick at her !! Therefore, what do we have, that in the USA or China there are conditionally “untouchables”. Which without a signal from the very top - no one will touch a finger. request Remember how a Negro boxer was caught in the United States (like Tyson) in blood over the corpse of his wife - lawyers dismissed belay negative supposedly "wrong evidence." And this is just a rich and famous boxer. By the way, try to really look for cases of subpoenaing as just witnesses to the richest people of the West !! But if you find, then you can immediately look for - to whom no less wealthy he crossed the road! These are not my thoughts - this is an objective reality.
          1. andrej-shironov
            andrej-shironov 23 February 2018 07: 31
            +2
            smile To be honest, I don't care about the West! I am more concerned about my homeland. And there is obviously a lot of bad in it. I wrote and write, references to the West as well as to the wretched type of Ukraine and the 90s, do not paint opponents.
            1. Mih1974
              Mih1974 23 February 2018 21: 17
              +1
              Yes - there are problems, but let’s share it somehow: all people are crap, and while this is an objective reality, we (as people) can reduce the “stink”, “dirt”, and “unsanitary conditions” of this process.
              With the described problem, the same thing - humanity has not changed for tens of thousands of years, we can (for now) drive this problem into at least some kind of "framework". Over in 1917, our “compensation” went beyond the scope and made a mochilo, and many different villains, bribe-takers, rapists, bribe takers and "rich bloodsuckers" were killed. But what did it give us - the same bloodsuckers and bribe takers (wealthy) of only other nationalities attacked us. In order to put ALL under the single control of the Law, you need to remove a person from the execution of the Law !!! I don’t know how it’s also not my business, but I’m indisputably sure of only one thing - as long as the Person observes and enforces the Law, there will be corruption, privileged and untouchable, etc. negative
              1. andrej-shironov
                andrej-shironov 24 February 2018 09: 14
                0
                smile Indeed, a person in the system of law is the weakest link. However, I’m talking about something else, I’m talking about inevitability and basic compliance! But for this it is possible and necessary to fight. You understand, if they spit on the law at the top, do you really think they will observe it at the bottom? And in 1917, at least they tried to change something radically. And then the USSR appeared, which was undoubtedly respected and feared. And such lawlessness of corruption did not give a damn to the laws. Although precedents took place to be, I do not argue.
                1. Mih1974
                  Mih1974 25 February 2018 20: 24
                  +1
                  Yeah, in ancient Sumerians they won’t change the first prezik any more, and with each one it’s getting better and better. Another "shift" - and the country will fall into pieces, the Poles and the Hungarians already and the "shovels" have stockpiled "their pieces" to carry away. negative
                  1. andrej-shironov
                    andrej-shironov 26 February 2018 09: 17
                    0
                    smile Yes, I beg you! Do not watch Pushkov with Prokopenko and others like them on TV. And take off the helmet already, we haven’t been attacked yet! laughing
          2. Mihail28
            Mihail28 27 February 2018 07: 46
            +2
            Not untouchables, but untouchable.
            The untouchables is the lowest caste, they disdain to touch them.
            And the inviolable ones are protected from your touch, nobody will let you reach them.
      3. passing
        passing 21 February 2018 10: 31
        +7
        Here I am about the same! What produces more electricity, produces more oil and gas does not affect the life of an ordinary citizen of the Russian Federation, energy prices are rising and the authorities are not going to slow them down. Therefore, all these large-scale projects for a different reality.
        Only couch specialists in geopolitics, do not strain
        1. Akuzenka
          Akuzenka 21 February 2018 10: 49
          +6
          What do you want? This is capitalism. It is strange for me to read comments about the injustice of the capitalists. As if commentators in another dimension live. What are they obliged to share profits with the people? No and will not share. The USSR was destroyed, including for this. Further it will only get worse, because competition of social systems has disappeared and capitalists may stop spending on us. And it is so all over the world. Read, this is a global trend.
          1. passing
            passing 21 February 2018 10: 55
            +10
            What do you want? This is capitalism.

            And I have no doubt that this is capitalism!
            But why many, on this site, do not notice it?
            What a capitalist power! That the incumbent president defends the interests of the capitalists! What further will only get worse!
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              1. passing
                passing 21 February 2018 11: 05
                +5
                Quote: Crypto
                And I have no doubt that this is capitalism!

                But it would be worth it. The Russian economy is more like rental feudalism based on a system of parochialism. The closer to the hand of the "king", the richer and more powerful.

                Well, I think in the main we have no contradictions. Power needs to be changed, in the next election hi
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                  1. passing
                    passing 21 February 2018 11: 19
                    +2
                    Will the power change during the elections organized by the authorities? lol This will probably be pretty close to beating a cheater at the card table - perhaps, but only if he allows you to.

                    Well, at least try and look at the results!
                    I’m interested to see the "consolidation" of society around the leader!
                    1. Andrey Panov
                      Andrey Panov 21 February 2018 11: 38
                      +1
                      Have you tried a little 90s? With such jokes it’s better to pass by, is the idea clear?
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                      2. passing
                        passing 21 February 2018 11: 42
                        +3
                        Quote: Andrey Panov
                        Have you tried a little 90s?

                        You are one of those who have, but I will be silent because "suddenly it will be worse."
                        And it will be necessarily worse! The farther, the more.
                        Patient did not promise to regret !!!
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                2. siberalt
                  siberalt 21 February 2018 20: 48
                  0
                  Who needs to be decided is not our business. Our business is to "yap" into the ballot box with a ballot for anyone ("the wind carries"), and the caravan is on. lol
              2. EvilLion
                EvilLion 21 February 2018 11: 26
                0
                Do not confuse with Ukrainian realities.
            2. andy.v.lee
              andy.v.lee 21 February 2018 20: 08
              +3
              Quote: passing
              What a capitalist power! That the incumbent president defends the interests of the capitalists! What further will only get worse!

              More precisely fascist in relation to the population, conducting direct and latent economic and political genocide!
              Incumbent protects only the interests of the oligarchy and indirectly conducts "surrender of the country" in all directions. Immediate examples: the destruction of the Russian Academy of Sciences, the Winter Olympics, kissing with Turkey, etc.
              1. Setrac
                Setrac 21 February 2018 20: 19
                +1
                Quote: andy.v.lee
                More precisely, fascist in relation to the population, conducting direct and latent economic and political genocide!

                They do not shoot anyone, they do not kill, what is the genocide?
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          3. Alber
            Alber 21 February 2018 12: 03
            0
            Quote: AKuzenka
            What do you want? This is capitalism. It is strange for me to read comments about the injustice of the capitalists. As if commentators in another dimension live. What are they obliged to share profits with the people? No and will not share. The USSR was destroyed, including for this. Further it will only get worse, because competition of social systems has disappeared and capitalists may stop spending on us. And it is so all over the world. Read, this is a global trend.

            Quote: passing
            What do you want? This is capitalism.

            And I have no doubt that this is capitalism!
            But why many, on this site, do not notice it?
            What a capitalist power! That the incumbent president defends the interests of the capitalists! What further will only get worse!

            So our people do not need such a system!
            With the exception of a handful of fat, well, a small percentage of businessmen from the total number of people
            It is clear that the siloviki, and all types of authorities, will execute all decisions of the Kremlin
            Putin needs to disperse the current Duma and recruit a new one from the common people
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          5. Mih1974
            Mih1974 21 February 2018 20: 18
            +2
            Oh sho you say, and free medicine in Russia, different social. Do you think the manuals and programs are “remnants of the USSR” or “a particularly cleverly disguised way to rob us”?
            And I don’t need here "there is no free medicine", right today one acquaintance went to surgery on the policy good and as he said, "for the money it would be about 80." Listen to the news, fm Dr. Myasnikov, this is in his hospital and salaries to doctors from 100K and his helicopter and I quote "we do everything that we have for state funds, we don’t take anything from the patient, we sew fingers, hands to the same Tajiks without any poles But we can recommend buying expensive drugs that are slightly better than those that are covered by the state, but I repeat - we treat absolutely free !! " (c) It is clear that miracles do not happen and so much money from this medical center is not from the budget, which means that they are “convinced” to pay people, but as I understand it, only those who have something to pay, but they don’t throw those on the streets who is absent!! But this is the key difference between Capitalism (in its purest form) and what we have.
    2. EvilLion
      EvilLion 21 February 2018 08: 23
      +3
      What have you got to do with it? You’re dealing with gas unless you have a stove.
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 21 February 2018 09: 08
        +4
        wink So you do not even have a problem with nuclear power plants in the kitchen, but you are writing comments about this.
        1. EvilLion
          EvilLion 21 February 2018 11: 27
          0
          I do not talk about the loss-making or breakeven of projects to which I have no relation. Unlike.
          1. andrej-shironov
            andrej-shironov 21 February 2018 18: 17
            +1
            smileAnd I do not forbid you to write comments, on the contrary, I advise. Just be so kind as to allow the same to others. wink
        2. Mih1974
          Mih1974 21 February 2018 20: 19
          +1
          Well, I deal with nuclear power plants in the kitchen and SHO? am I have this nuclear power plant 10 km away from me my kettle is boiling good and the cowboy fries me tongue .
          1. andrej-shironov
            andrej-shironov 23 February 2018 07: 33
            0
            wink Nuclear burners in the kitchen? You didn’t turn into mutants there an hour?
            1. Mih1974
              Mih1974 23 February 2018 21: 19
              +1
              Nat. lol , I just live in a satellite city of the Leningrad NPP tongue and I have an electric stove and an electric kettle, powered through a complex circuit and a bunch of "intermediaries" to the "nuclear reactor". good So yes - I can say that I am dealing with nuclear power plants in my kitchen.
              1. andrej-shironov
                andrej-shironov 24 February 2018 09: 16
                0
                good That would remove these parasites on the wires ... wink
                1. Mih1974
                  Mih1974 25 February 2018 20: 26
                  +1
                  You are not friends with your head fool, but let's just go to the transformer 310-30 and try to connect your mobile repeat . Showered with dust. I wrote to you about "technological intermediaries" and not about commercial ones. fool
                  1. andrej-shironov
                    andrej-shironov 26 February 2018 09: 13
                    0
                    smile Fi, rude not comme il faut, especially when there is no argument. wink
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 21 February 2018 09: 34
      0
      This project would not have been in that case.
    4. kava61
      kava61 21 February 2018 16: 10
      0
      Wow, you’re a financial expert, in your kitchen you would first figure out the income. laughing
    5. vka
      vka 21 February 2018 17: 26
      0
      you think badly - you taught badly at school, the gas pipeline will never be at a loss, and especially those who work on it
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 21 February 2018 18: 18
        +1
        smile Why does he think badly? The gas pipeline itself is a set of scrap metal and has nothing to do with loss or profit. It's like comparing soft and yellow. wink Think about it before trying to offend anyone.
  5. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 21 February 2018 08: 00
    +8
    The main type of drive for gas compressors is gas turbine, which uses the same gas as fuel. The story with synchronous motors for driving gas compressors on the main highways has not been developed.


    And the construction of new (namely new!) Nuclear power plants in Russia is not underway. The plans for the introduction of new power units approximately correspond to the plans for the withdrawal of the exhausted resources.
    1. andrej-shironov
      andrej-shironov 21 February 2018 09: 07
      +1
      wink So is Yuri Podolyak! He can’t be explained, the main thing for him is crowing before the election, and there at least do not come
    2. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 21 February 2018 09: 40
      +4
      Quote: Sancho_SP
      And the construction of new (namely new!) Nuclear power plants in Russia is not underway. The plans for the introduction of new power units approximately correspond to the plans for the withdrawal of the exhausted resources.

      That's right, the author is infinitely far from nuclear energy
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 21 February 2018 09: 40
      0
      "On August 1, 2016, the construction of 8 new nuclear power plants by 2030 was approved." Well, personally with you, maybe not what is not being done.
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 21 February 2018 18: 22
        +1
        smile And what did they build a lot? You see, there is nothing worse than talking about what is not yet there, but there are Wishlist.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 21 February 2018 21: 49
          0
          There are no hotel wishes - there is a clear action plan, the guys at Rosatom are busy with business - they will do it.
          1. andrej-shironov
            andrej-shironov 23 February 2018 07: 35
            +1
            smile There is such a site Made with us. He started very well, even if they wrote a little, but on the decent. But now for the most part, for the sake of people like you, they write only about intentions. I repeat again: there will be stations, we’ll talk, there are no stations, there’s nothing to talk about!
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 23 February 2018 12: 11
              0
              For these guys, all intentions turn into business - this is neither the military industrial complex and the Russian Space Agency.
              1. andrej-shironov
                andrej-shironov 24 February 2018 09: 19
                0
                smile You know, of all the liberals of the new spill, Sergey Vladilenovich respected. A man worked in his place. However, now I began to doubt its adequacy in connection with the transfer to another job.
    4. BAI
      BAI 21 February 2018 16: 05
      0
      After all, we live in the enlightened 21st century. Ask a question and the Internet will answer you.
      Dmitry Medvedev 01.08/2016. In 1634, by order of the Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation No. 2030-r, he approved the construction plan for eight new nuclear power plants. According to the decree, eight large nuclear power plants will be built in Russia by XNUMX

      Kola NPP-2, 1 VVER-600. Total 675 MW.
      Central NPP, 2 VVER-TOI, 1255 MW each. Total 2510 MW.
      Smolensk NPP-2, 2 VVER-TOI, 1255 MW each. Total 2510 MW.
      Nizhny Novgorod NPP, 2 VVER-TOI, 1255 MW each. Total 2510 MW.
      Tatar NPP, 1 VVER-TOI, 1255 MW each. Total 1255 MW.
      Beloyarsk NPP, 1 BN-1200. Total 1200 MW.
      South Ural NPP, 1 BN-1200. Total 1200 MW.
      Seversk NPP, 1 BREST-300. Total 300 MW.
      1. Sancho_SP
        Sancho_SP 24 February 2018 21: 21
        +1
        And yet, which of them have already begun construction, but are not substitute?
    5. sxfRipper
      sxfRipper 21 February 2018 16: 10
      0
      Exactly!!! hi
    6. Mih1974
      Mih1974 21 February 2018 20: 25
      +1
      belay STA, but according to your PAES, which seems to be being dragged out a bit, is not a "new NPP". Well, and most importantly, the New NPP (in the field) is a complete new infrastructure and not so much a satellite city as an alteration of distribution networks, transformers and much more in electrical facilities, this is not a “kettle for you” to be included. And the construction of "new" nuclear power plants near the "retiring" is not just a replacement, it is a huge saving on fitting into the already existing and calculated electricity network of the country. good I was always touched by "stupid people" with the words - and let's build the NPP "here". negative And of course, no calculations — HOW, WHERE to transport petricorium, how to add it to the local power grid, and where to put it in excess at night, yes it’s a HUGE problem because it is impossible to produce “bigger during the day, less at night”.
  6. EvilLion
    EvilLion 21 February 2018 08: 22
    0
    You claim that in Russia they know how to plan, work and do it ahead of schedule? Aren't you a quilted jacket for an hour?
  7. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 21 February 2018 09: 06
    0
    Yuri Podolyak is so pleased with the pipelines as if it were his property, not the oligarchs wink Here it’s just right to cry that the authorities are not doing anything to begin to get off the hydrocarbon needle and sit on the industrial one. In general, the current government has many analogies with the Brezhnev period. And oil and gas pipelines are one of the elements. Just forgetting about the development of the socio-political situation in the country, the Brezhnev era received the collapse of Russia in the form of Gorbachev, just as the Putin era could very well end with another Gorbachev.
    1. Akuzenka
      Akuzenka 21 February 2018 10: 58
      +3
      So capitalism is the same. Maybe he was just paid for this article, that's all. A man enjoys his profit. This can be understood. Stop looking back and scolding power, as in the USSR, we have CAPITALISM. This is in a terribly totalitarian USSR, your voice can be heard by the authorities. And now you need to pay a LOT of money for this. You won’t have so much. So there will be no new “Gorbachev”, there will simply be a new protege of the capitalists. They will decide whether to merge Russia or not. Most likely merge, their wallets in the west.
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 21 February 2018 18: 26
        +2
        The fact that he was paid and he is happy with his profits, I understand this. I don’t understand why how to lie! Yuri really thinks that the people can finally not be in the subject? That is, you are happy that the oligarchs still merge Russia to the west Are you definitely from Russia?
    2. kava61
      kava61 21 February 2018 16: 12
      +1
      Have you ever owned a pipe, under any authority? Do not write nonsense.
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 21 February 2018 18: 27
        +2
        wink So "you" or "do not write nonsense"? You either take off your underpants or put on a cross.
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    1. Akuzenka
      Akuzenka 21 February 2018 10: 52
      0
      Have you been reported?
    2. EvilLion
      EvilLion 21 February 2018 11: 35
      +1
      Of course, I wildly apologize, but is it not in this Belarus that they really want to see our nuclear power plants?

      However, I don’t understand your logic, will RosAtom build something for free?

      And to whom will the Belarusian NPP belong? Is not Russia an hour? And then Rygorych would definitely not refuse a freebie, but here something is all with a creak.
      1. Crypto
        Crypto 21 February 2018 12: 29
        +2
        I don’t understand your logic, will RosAtom build something for free?

        Not for nothing, but for the money of Russian taxpayers
        And to whom the Belarusian NPP will belong

        Even if the object is in the ownership of the Russian Federation, the payback period, if memory serves, is 20-25 years, that is, the budget bears the costs now, and when God pays off, God knows. By then, "either the donkey will speak, or the sultan will die."
        1. Azovian
          Azovian 22 February 2018 11: 37
          0
          By the way, in Belarus, in connection with the commissioning of nuclear power plants, gasification of the h \ sector is limited. As father said, the taper mustache is on electricity, heating too.
    3. Vladimir 5
      Vladimir 5 21 February 2018 19: 44
      0
      Crypto, you have a mash of sweet and salty. Belarus, the only remaining ally, And only the support of the economically pushed west BR will keep it in our allies. The Uzbek giftedness of debts has political components, which is not public, also in line with the alliance. Here Turkey is in doubt, it is possibly right, like the other forgiveness of various Mongolia and others from the debts of the USSR, although Russia pays for the USSR ...
  9. tat_shurik
    tat_shurik 21 February 2018 10: 32
    +4
    Bullshit!!! An electric drive is used to transport gas in extremely small volumes - only as reserve capacities, including due to energy shortages and the high cost of electricity (thanks to Chubais). Mostly a gas turbine drive is used, working on the same gas that goes through the pipe. It turns out an order of magnitude cheaper. Therefore, to ensure gas transport through the pipe, electricity in serious quantities (of the order of GW) is not required. therefore, linking the construction of a gas pipeline and a nuclear power plant is simply stupid. This does not abolish the needs of the industry of the south of Russia for electricity, and then they build nuclear power plants themselves. But there is no connection with the South Stream.
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat 21 February 2018 10: 38
      +2
      there is no connection with the South Stream.

      Of course not". But, "there is a connection" with the Crimea .... wink
    2. Captain45
      Captain45 21 February 2018 11: 25
      +1
      Quote: tat_shurik
      An electric drive is used to transport gas in extremely small volumes - only as reserve capacities, including due to energy shortages and the high cost of electricity (thanks to Chubais). Mostly a gas turbine drive is used, working on the same gas that goes through the pipe. It turns out an order of magnitude cheaper. Therefore, to ensure gas transport through the pipe, electricity in serious quantities (of the order of GW) is not required. therefore, linking the construction of a gas pipeline and a nuclear power plant is simply stupid.

      That's right. It’s just that the author of the article is very far from both transporting gas through pipelines and generally from technology. Therefore, he, having heard the word GW - gigawatt, in which power is measured, out of habit transferred it to electricity. Indeed, in a receipt for a rent, electricity is taken into account in watts.
    3. EvilLion
      EvilLion 21 February 2018 11: 37
      0
      And what does Chubais have to do with it, if you yourself just said that a gas turbine engine using the same gas is much cheaper? Chubais increased the cost of electricity by an order of magnitude? So she, as it were, is worth a penny by Western standards.
    4. bk316
      bk316 21 February 2018 12: 00
      +2
      high cost of electricity (thanks to Chubais).

      And what DO Chubais used an electric drive?
      What is Chubais changing the laws of physics?
      1. tat_shurik
        tat_shurik 21 February 2018 14: 01
        +1
        there were electric stations in the USSR. Now they don’t do it from the word at all, they exploit a few remaining from the USSR. On the contrary - there are more and more gas turbine power plants, which the USSR did not have - nevertheless, electricity is expensive for them. At a nuclear power plant, producing it is much cheaper. And at the prices of Chubais - even GTES turn out to be cost-effective. So they are being built. Therefore, by the way, they should also build nuclear power plants in batches - there, the profitability should be simply frantic. But AtomMasha’s capabilities are apparently limited.
        1. bk316
          bk316 21 February 2018 16: 12
          +2
          Even if you build a pack of nuclear power plants this will not significantly reduce the price of electricity in the place where you need to put the pumping station (the cost of networks of matching equipment ...). and building a nuclear power plant "in place" will fail. The whole charm of a gas turbine station is that gas from the same pipe and there is no transformation through the ES with all its economy. About GTES profitability is your truth, but maybe it's good?
        2. vka
          vka 21 February 2018 17: 37
          +2
          you guys can immediately see the specialists with a very big letter, for starters at least they learned the specifics of the work of e-networks and then wrote here .... it's just funny to read sometimes !!!!!!!
  10. Insurrection
    Insurrection 21 February 2018 12: 17
    +2
    So write that the "Maidan" in Ukraine and the Crimean squeeze were planned in 2006!
    Well done, what to say, visionaries. It would be necessary to look at infrastructure projects, what is being built there now, it may become clear what else RUSSIA will grow.
    1. cyberspace
      cyberspace 21 February 2018 19: 41
      +1
      Quote: Rise
      It would be necessary to look at infrastructure projects, what is being built there now, it may become clear what else RUSSIA will grow.

      Judging by the pipelines in the direction of China, a great exchange of territories is coming. In order to relieve tension on the Russian-Chinese border, a land exchange will be made - Russia annexes the former Chinese territory, and in return gives primordially Russian lands from Rio Grande to the Yukon.
  11. groks
    groks 21 February 2018 12: 55
    +1
    As usual, the author missed. And with the drive of the compressors and, in general, according to its logic, it turns out that as soon as the UE is launched, in the Crimea the electricity will end.
    Gosspodi, when these "elections" are already held - maybe the people will return adequacy.
  12. Sergey Suvorov Ria
    Sergey Suvorov Ria 21 February 2018 13: 37
    +1
    new jobs and new energy capacities are never superfluous ... except for the times when the Ukrainian Gorbachev stopped production in the RSFSR and sabotaged the agro-industrial complex of the RSFSR (just type in "USSR: Commodity Deficit (video chronicle 1989-91)."
  13. BAI
    BAI 21 February 2018 15: 57
    +1
    At the same time, 12 powerful compressor stations with a total capacity of more than 1,5 GW were to be built along the gas pipeline route. Actually, for their energy supply, the new units of the Rostov NPP were primarily intended.

    Very strange statement. All gas pumping processes that require electricity are provided by power plants of their own needs (all gas pipelines begin in such a remote place, where there are no people, no electricity from the word "completely"), working on gas FREE for Gazprom. Those. Electricity for gas pipelines is free. How much does it cost to pay for 1.5 GW per year?
    1. sxfRipper
      sxfRipper 21 February 2018 16: 12
      +2
      Well, the author has no idea about what he writes! He’s not the only one here ...
  14. CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 21 February 2018 19: 04
    +1
    Quote: Crypto
    The Russian Federation still has many projects that are being implemented at its own expense and on credit, provided that no one will repay these debts to it. Especially “good” is the case in the field of nuclear energy. Here are just a few of these projects:
    1. Construction of the Belarusian nuclear power plant. The Russian Federation will spend $ 10 billion on it, and after the NPP was commissioned in 2019-2020, Belarus will seriously reduce gas purchases from Gazprom (by several hundred million dollars) and stop importing electricity from the Russian Federation (by several tens of millions of dollars). Thus, the "blue-eyed" completely at the expense of the Russian Federation will solve its problems in the electric power industry. Belarus is a wonderful country in itself and, as it were, an ally of the Russian Federation, which, however, did not recognize the independence of Abkhazia and South Ossetia, nor the entry of Crimea into the Russian Federation (which is understandable, because even under Russian laws Crimea is still formally Ukrainian). Therefore, here it is a stretch, but you can still write off such expenses for "brotherly help" (although we all remember that nations that have taken place never have "brothers").
    Other countries are much worse and farther than Belarus, but the Resource Federation is ready to generously allocate tens of billions of dollars to them.
    2. Uzbekistan and the construction of nuclear power plants. In 2016, the Russian Federation wrote off this country 865 million dollars of debt. The quality of this “debt” was mediocre, but it is completely not clear what Moscow received in return. Moreover, Uzbekistan itself, in contrast to the economic zombies of Kyrgyzstan, is not an insolvent state. In December 2017, it became known that ResFed plans to build and finance fully a nuclear power plant in this wonderful country. Since the project is supposed to be identical to the Belarusian one, Russian taxpayers will have to fork out another 10-11 billion dollars, at least. Uzbekistan, of course, will never return this money.
    3. Construction of the Akkuyu NPP in Turkey. The total cost of this project is estimated at 20-22 billion dollars and 49% of the operator company the Russian Rosatom plans to sell before the end of 2018, but whether it will receive 10 billion dollars of investment is a big question. The payback period for the project of this nuclear power plant is about 20-25 years, but most likely, you can safely put "never" in this column. So, against the background of this mega-cut, Ankara’s supply of a $ 2,5 billion loan to “non-tax complexes” S-400 is just a matinee in a kindergarten.
    Russian taxpayers are wealthy people, so they will gladly pay $ 10 billion for the energy industry in Belarus, and the same for Uzbekistan and Bangladesh, where Rosatom is building another nuclear power plant, more than 20 billion for Turkey, not to mention small things like Kyrgyzstan. The funny thing is that the geography of mega-cuts even includes well-developed states with solvent demand. But even there, the configuration of Russian infrastructure projects is such that waiting for a return on invested funds is a pointless exercise.
    the chef is all gone gypsum removed the client is leaving!
  15. Gabriel
    Gabriel 21 February 2018 22: 14
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    But electricity for the people they say will rise in price, apparently a little later than the election.
  16. andy.v.lee
    andy.v.lee 22 February 2018 05: 34
    +1
    Quote: Setrac
    Quote: andy.v.lee
    More precisely, fascist in relation to the population, conducting direct and latent economic and political genocide!

    They do not shoot anyone, they do not kill, what is the genocide?

    Genocide is not necessarily murder, but also the creation of certain conditions for the degeneration of the nation or its specific representatives.
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 23 February 2018 00: 10
      +1
      No, there is a clear legal definition of genocide. This is a massacre of people on a racial or ethnic basis.
      1. andy.v.lee
        andy.v.lee 30 March 2018 04: 16
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        There are several definitions. I am inclined to the fact that the current government just conducts genocide against the broad masses of the population! I call it delayed death for economic reasons.
    2. vka
      vka 26 February 2018 10: 07
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      Ukrainians do not mind, they themselves arranged a genocide ...
  17. bricks
    bricks 22 February 2018 08: 19
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    The author is clearly not at fault with the gas pipe, the pumping is due to gas - the flow of goods through the ports of the Azov-Black Sea Basin is growing - a whole program including bypassing the Krasnodar railway junction, second routes plus electrification - it’s clear that capacities are needed and it’s laid from a distant perspective ...
  18. Baby sitter
    Baby sitter 23 February 2018 00: 17
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    Everything is simple. After a nuclear war of current, the energy of the atom will be able to save life ..... And the rest of the bushes are warming up irregularly ..
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 23 February 2018 12: 13
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      Solar and geothermal energy will save the same - no worse than the bourgeoisie.
  19. Vladimir SHajkin
    Vladimir SHajkin 23 February 2018 00: 21
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    What to say is to build.
    1. XXXIII
      XXXIII 23 February 2018 00: 39
      +1
      Quote: Shaikin Vladimir
      What to say is to build.

      Aichi sector now consumes as metallurgical plants .... yes
  20. NordUral
    NordUral 24 February 2018 21: 42
    0
    What the hell are these gas pipelines for us in the West and the East? For oligarch thieves to increase their Forbes rating? And Russian citizens, as before, with kerosene and firewood. So it is with the sale of electricity at bargain prices. Do we need this, fellow citizens?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 24 February 2018 22: 42
      +1
      Work for their own, plus additional income to the budget, in the form of taxes, from sales, production, etc. 500 billion rubles are not lying on the road.
  21. Arikkhab
    Arikkhab 25 February 2018 10: 57
    +1
    "At the same time, 12 powerful compressor stations were to be built along the gas pipeline route"

    Are electric compressors used at compressor stations? sort of like adapted aircraft engines - bulk fuel (same gas)
  22. Valery Saitov
    Valery Saitov 26 February 2018 14: 16
    +1
    And on February 1, 2018, the first megawatts developed at the 4th power unit of the Rostov NPP began to enter the unified power grid of Russia.)))
    Here is the main feature, you look and cheaper for the population.
  23. Mihail28
    Mihail28 27 February 2018 03: 07
    +2
    And before that, the power units of nuclear power plants were built exclusively slowly?