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Temptation by peacemakers

Any reports on any progress in relations with the United States predictably cause considerable concern to a significant part of Russian society. Because the conviction of Washington’s absolute bad faith is combined with still fresh memories of the many betrayals of the country's national interests by the Gorbachev and Yeltsin regimes. The wounds inflicted in that terrible period of ours stories still very painful.

Temptation by peacemakers

That is why the reports about the success of the negotiations by the Assistant to the President of Russia Vladislav Surkov and the representative of the State Department Kurt Volcker in the Donbas caused a lot of concern, both in Russia and in the People's Republics. Moreover, the “experts”, usual in such cases, are all-propalschans who immediately joined the forcing. Some of which, obviously, do not belong to the category of disinterested alarmists, but seek, by speculating on fears, to change the political landscape on the eve of the presidential elections in the Russian Federation, undermining the credibility of the authorities.

Even more worrying was the plan of the former NATO Secretary General, Anders Fogh Rasmussen, about bringing the 20-thousandth contingent of peacekeepers with Sweden at the head of the Donbass. Moreover, some Ukrainian media, and Russian bloggers who use them as the main source of information, have argued that the Rasmussen project is the result of a meeting between Volcker and Surkov.

However, this plan in reality has nothing to do with the negotiations of the Russian and American representatives. Since it is entirely the fruit of the work of Poroshenko’s advisor (the former general secretary of the alliance occupies such an honorary post), to which no one, except perhaps, has authorized him to do so.

In reality, there is no talk of any kind of “plum of Donbass”, if only because any movement in the matter of introducing UN into the confrontation zone of UN peacekeepers is tightly blocked by Kiev, acting, presumably, in accordance with clear instructions from Washington.
So, even the Rasmussen variant was rejected by the Ukrainian side (of which he, strictly speaking, is a representative), because of the alleged participation of the Belarusian contingent in it. According to the people's deputies of the Rada, the Russian military will be able to penetrate into the Donbass with Belarusian passports. They make the proposal themselves, rejecting it with indignation, this is the result of the internal Ukrainian dialogue on UN peacekeepers.

Actually, the inability of Kiev to form a consolidated position even at its national level excludes the possibility of any kind of productive interaction with it.

However, on one issue in the Ukrainian leadership, a complete consensus is a rejection of direct negotiations with the People's Republics. That, in fact, completely covers the topic of peacekeepers, because without the consent of all parties to the conflict they cannot be sent by the UN Security Council.

In this vein, the situation with the peacekeepers is reminiscent of the Minsk agreements, which, while not being implemented, nevertheless became a real stone on the neck of the Kiev junta, and to some extent restrain the escalation of violence.

Recall that at the time of their signing, the Kremlin was also accused of “draining the Donbass”.

As for the UN peacekeepers, both Moscow and Washington are well aware that the initiative with their introduction will most likely never be implemented. However, the discussion itself of this issue is used not only for feeling each other’s positions, but also for inflicting informational blows.

So, for example, the statement of Vladislav Surkov about significant progress during the Dubai meeting with Walker, immediately stepped up in the US somewhat hushed attacks on Donald Trump, against whom accusations of "working for the Kremlin" were again being showered.

The American "otvetka", expressed in the next series "Putin passed all", as we see, did not make himself wait.

Thus, all the talk about peacekeepers in essence is a smoke screen, under the cover of which Kiev and Washington are preparing a new aggression against the People's Republics. And Lugansk and Donetsk are preparing for its reflection, relying on the political, economic and moral support of Moscow.

In the light of all that is happening, the question arises: is it even possible to negotiate with the West? The experience of the 2018 Winter Olympic Games of the year shows that even our country’s full compliance with the requirements set for it does not guarantee that our opponents will fulfill even the conditions that they have indicated themselves. They will certainly find a reason, not disdaining even obvious forgery and provocations, in order to evade commitments, and worsen our position. That is, to negotiate with the West, on its terms, it is the same as hoping to win against a sharper or a brigade of "fox knives".

Although, I must admit that sometimes a constructive conversation turns out. So, during the Debaltsevsky boiler, when the defenders of the Donbass kept the punishers by the throat, and the Poroshenko regime hung in the balance, the meeting in Minsk was very informative and productive.
It can be assumed that to successfully resolve the issue of UN peacekeepers, similar conditions are needed. Only if they re-emerge, will this initiative lose its relevance, and the LDNR and Russia will hardly be needed.
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  1. andrewkor
    andrewkor 21 February 2018 06: 41
    Oh, do not remind the Olympics, it was a real blow to Russia and its humiliation. Even the boycott of the Moscow Olympics had less effect!
    1. dSK
      dSK 21 February 2018 07: 30
      Poroshenko’s Napoleonic plans - under the guise of "blue helmets" to carry out a military operation to "reintegrate", and in fact - the occupation of Donbass. Foreign Minister Pavel Klimkin - the task of the peacekeeping mission should be to "knock out the occupation administration", this process will take from six to nine months, after which the rebellious region will again come under the control of Kiev. "
    2. Pax tecum
      Pax tecum 21 February 2018 10: 52
      still fresh memories of the numerous betrayals of the country's national interests by the regimes of Gorbachev and Yeltsin

      Nevertheless, there is a “Yeltsin Center” with very expensive content and its propaganda of the vision of this period in the history of the country, there are facts of the recent award of the state award to Judah-Gorbachev, who lives in Germany ... How do you understand this, order?

      The wounds inflicted during that terrible period of our history are still very painful.

      The current Kremlin pseudo-elite does not think so. Otherwise, it openly admits its illegitimacy.
      1. Antares
        Antares 21 February 2018 11: 14
        Quote: Pax tecum
        How to understand this order?

        HPP :? not? laughing (there are still bad boyars)
        The course is the same in general.
      2. Kent0001
        Kent0001 21 February 2018 14: 35
        The couple you in the second part overstepped somehow.
      3. bionik
        bionik 21 February 2018 16: 45
        Quote: Pax tecum

        there is a "Yeltsin Center" with a very expensive content

        Somehow not so long ago, judging by the reviews of the center on the World Wide Web, here on the site, I decided to go there myself and see for myself the benefit I live in the ECB. The event, apart from the road, cost me 400 rubles. for an entrance for two with my wife, having entered this stronghold of democracy at the entrance, we began to roughly "shuffle", that is, to go through the frame by laying out all the contents of the pockets on the table and checking after it with a scanner. Before entering the museum the same procedure is only without a frame. On every corner, a guard-voyeur watches your every move no matter what happens ..... There was an excursion nearby (by the way, there is a separate price list for it), the guide told the young people like what a great guy EBN was and that he was “OUR EVERYTHING. ”And I grinned to myself, but that she doesn’t tell how the drunk EBN conducted the orchestra, how the drunk in the dowel could not get out of the plane, how Clinton made fun of him in the White House .... what can you say who lived in these troubled years you yourself know everything about this mess in the country under EBN .... In general, I had very negative impressions after this event.
      4. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 23 February 2018 20: 53
        Well, Gorbachev Center also needs to be bungled., Then there will be a complete set.
    3. Kent0001
      Kent0001 21 February 2018 14: 34
      Yes hare. The smart ones already understood everything, but let them rejoice, jump ... and go home like hockey players from the USA. And so this is first of all the Asmatics Olympiad, if anything, the sick and the defective took all the gold after 6000 doses of asthma medicines.
    4. mvnmln
      mvnmln 21 February 2018 17: 51
      Well don't tell! I was lucky enough to visit both 1980 and 2014. Impressions from both: fucking! It is one thing: to be an eyewitness, another is to look from the side.
  2. New Year day
    New Year day 21 February 2018 06: 48
    Recall that at the time of their signing, the Kremlin was also accused of “draining the Donbass”.
    Drain is not a drain. but during this period Ukraine has reformatted and rearm the army and is ready for war. During this time, hundreds more civilians died. The situation has not moved off the ground. So this is clearly not a victory
    1. Kent0001
      Kent0001 21 February 2018 14: 36
      But not a defeat either.
  3. New Year day
    New Year day 21 February 2018 06: 51
    So, during the Debaltsevsky cauldron, when the defenders of Donbass held punishers by the throat, and the Poroshenko regime was cheerful in the balance, the meeting in Minsk was very meaningful and productive.
    After that the time came for “missed opportunities”, which confirms that “Minsk” is not a victory, but a dead end. Moreover, the predicted. It was foolish to wait for a compromise with the Donbass from the Nazis who felt the power. Odessa showed, there will be no compromise.
    1. Kent0001
      Kent0001 21 February 2018 14: 37
      And what are your suggestions? so that they would not finish off the Russian economy at all.
      1. Pax tecum
        Pax tecum 21 February 2018 17: 01
        You can not finish what is not.
        Well, what you mean is most likely that foreign trade is called ... and the interests of oligarchic capital.
        Maybe less banking and currency, speculation will be when the money makes itself. Less imported, but so desired for "buy-sell", junk and other "product", but more of its own.
  4. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 21 February 2018 07: 11
    sometimes constructive conversation turns out
    It really turns out when Kiev is specifically taken for the gills. And if you hope that someone finally realizes something and takes up the mind - a waste of time and unnecessary economic losses. The Natsiks are ruining our representative offices in Kiev, which means it is necessary to put a Solntsepekov battery in the Donbass, they tread our flag - we stop selling coal and electricity to them. This street gang understands only power and decisive, tough answers to their actions.
  5. 1536
    1536 21 February 2018 10: 29
    In the West, they are waiting for the second advent of Gorbachev. This explains everything, because the situation inside our country is unstable or seems unstable. Many citizens no longer understand how the "management company", the bank or the fund differs from the occupation administration. Therefore, they are not at all afraid that such a person might come. Others do not believe in this and think that under any power they will exist comfortably. It is up to this that we have survived and further steps will depend only on the Government, for which, alas, the hope is bad that it will take steps in the right direction for the country and people. There is still an army. And the popular minister of defense. But the army in Russia after Catherine II was always subordinate to civilian authority, and performs a role similar to that of the church (God forgive me!), Because it is actually separated from the state in this case.
  6. Antares
    Antares 21 February 2018 11: 20
    Whatever it was, but if the solution comes, then there will always be authors who will support it, to explain the correctness and in that it has outplayed everyone and everything.
    I would not belittle the Dubai package like that. Belgrade failed. But the topic has not died out, but is actively moving forward.
    1. Kent0001
      Kent0001 21 February 2018 14: 39
      The United States should be excluded from the process and just something business. In general, how did the states generally get into this topic? And what is the language of the European guarantors of the Minsk agreements stuck in the ass? Oh yes, they don’t decide anything, then what for did you call me something?
      1. mvnmln
        mvnmln 21 February 2018 17: 56
        And what today, as in 2014, was the right to choose partners?
  7. antivirus
    antivirus 21 February 2018 14: 41
    a smoke screen, under the cover of which Kiev and Washington are preparing a new aggression against the People's Republics. And Lugansk and Donetsk are preparing for its reflection, relying on the political, economic and moral support of Moscow.

    - removed the ban on the import of chicken from the usa and canada - here's a loss or a fee for OI18 and Donbass (leaving from under the blow)
    when will we attack? - and better not in the Donbass
    1. mvnmln
      mvnmln 21 February 2018 17: 58
      Have experience with operations? Or just wave your saber?
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 21 February 2018 18: 04
        to wave with gloves - the direction to show where to jump with checkers is necessary.
        There is a viscous struggle for every billion dollars of contracts and + - 50 km of distance from military bases to the Kremlin.
        and you are all about checkers
  8. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 23 February 2018 20: 48
    In Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, American "peacekeepers" showed themselves from the most negative side. They cannot be called peacekeepers. But wherever these "peacekeepers" enter, they forget to go and in these countries terrorism is growing by leaps and bounds. And after the introduction of "peacekeepers" in Ukraine, they cannot be pulled out of there by tractor.
  9. Dr_engie
    Dr_engie 24 February 2018 08: 55
    Here you are simply, if you think that the deployment of peacekeepers on the border with Russia is a breakdown of the initiative. They are just needed there more than on the demarcation line. And then immediately the secret will become apparent that ours are being transported there in humanitarian packages.
  10. andrson
    andrson 25 February 2018 06: 06
    [/ quote] So, even the version of Rasmussen is rejected by the Ukrainian side (of which he, strictly speaking, is), because of the alleged participation of the Belarusian contingent in it. According to the deputies of the Rada, with the Belarusian passports, the Russian military will be able to enter the Donbass. They themselves make a proposal, they themselves reject it indignantly - this is the result of an intra-Ukrainian dialogue on UN peacekeepers. [quote]
    There will be no peacekeepers. And Donbass will not give its consent, plus they made a buffer zone out of it ... Yes, and Poproshenko is not pressured to fulfill the Minsk agreements ..