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How the Baltic Fleet was rescued from the Germans

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In February 1918, the Baltic ships were evacuated in the port of Revel (now Tallinn, the capital of Estonia) fleet. Despite the difficult weather conditions, they faced a serious task - to relocate to Kronstadt. Thus began the famous Ice Campaign of the Baltic Fleet.




Before we talk about the campaign itself, it is necessary to elaborate in more detail on what the Baltic fleet was in 1918. It consisted of 7 battleships, 9 cruisers, 26 submarines, 62 destroyer squadrons, as well as more 450 ships and ships of various classes and purposes. The main naval base of the Baltic Fleet of Russia was Helsingfors (now Helskinki, the capital of Finland). It was here that the main forces of the Baltic Fleet were stationed. Another major naval base was Revel, where 5 cruisers, 17 submarines and a number of other ships were based. Some ships and vessels, especially of the fleet support, were located in the Ganges (Hanko) and Abo (Turku).

The main reason that prompted the command to transfer ships from Revel to Kronstadt was the continuing offensive of the German troops in Estonia. Germany, having broken the peace negotiations, was advancing in the Baltic States, therefore, the Baltic Fleet ships that were in the roadstead in Reval were threatened by the Germans. Therefore, it was decided to relocate the ships, but because of the ice it was not possible to carry out an operation to transfer ships directly to Kronstadt. It was necessary first to transfer the ships to another Russian port - Helsingfors (now - Helsinki).

How the Baltic Fleet was rescued from the Germans


From December 1917, the Central Fleet Central Committee of the Baltic Fleet, which represented the interests of sailors, managed the Russian fleet stationed in the Baltic Sea. Established in March 1917, after the October Revolution and the subsequent abolition of the post of commander of the Baltic Fleet, Tsentrobalt became the only body that concentrated in its person all the management of the daily activities of the fleet. The chairman of Tsentrobalt was the famous Pavel Dybenko. However, for all his personal courage, Dybenko clearly did not have enough knowledge to carry out full-fledged fleet management. The same was true of his closest associates - members of Tsentrobalt.

A serious problem of the fleet to the beginning of 1918 was the extremely low level of discipline of the personnel. Baltic sailors were known for their anarchic moods and even subordinate to the Soviet authorities, what to speak of former officers of the old fleet. Meanwhile, without the latter, it was also impossible to manage the fleet, because the sailors, even the most competent and educated, lacked the special knowledge that officers had been taught at naval schools for many years and which they had been improving for years if not decades. . Therefore, naval officers, specialists, who actually carried out the actual command of the ships and subunits of the Baltic Fleet, were involved in fleet management.

In January, 1918 was appointed to assist Pavel Dybenko as Alexey Mikhaylovich Shchastny (1881-1918), a personnel naval officer who served in the “old” navy to the rank of captain of 1 rank and position of flag-captain for the administrative part. Headquarters of the Baltic Fleet Commander. Now, a century after the Ice Campaign, we can with good reason admire this man. A graduate of the Marine Corps, second in academic status, Shchastny began serving as a midshipman in 1901, sixteen years before the revolution. He was promoted from officer of a gunboat coast defense officer, watch officer of gunboats, battleships and cruisers to the commander of a destroyer.

In the first decade of his service, Schastny’s career was difficult to call dizzy - he received the rank of lieutenant in the 1905 year, by which time he had already distinguished himself in the Russian-Japanese war (as commanders and colleagues recalled). In the same 1905 year, he became the commander of the destroyer No. 217, then served as a teacher in the Mine Officer Class, receiving the rank of senior lieutenant in 1910.

Only in 1913, did Shchastny, who by that time served as a permanent member of the Maritime Ministry of the Interdepartmental Radio Telegraph Committee, was promoted to the rank of captain 2. In 1916-1917 he commanded the Border Guard squadron. The rank of captain 1 of rank Shchastny was received after the February revolution, in July 1917 of the year, when he held the position of flag captain of the headquarters of the Baltic Sea Fleet Commander.

17 February 1918, the Board of the Maritime Commissariat sent a directive to Tsentrobalt on the withdrawal of ships from Reval. Shchastny assumed the direct leadership of the operation.

Since the situation was complicated by the presence of ice on the Baltic Sea, it was decided to send icebreakers to Revel, which were to pave the way for ships leaving Reval. A detachment of icebreakers headed the world's first Arctic-class icebreaker "Yermak". 19 February 1918, the icebreaker Volynets brought in tow the 3 raid submarines, and 22 February, February 1918, began the general evacuation of ships. Following the icebreaker Ermak, the ships headed for Helsingfors. The first group of ships of the fleet includes 2 submarines and 2 transport ships.



Already on February 24, a German detachment attempted to break through to Revel, attacking coastal batteries located on the islands of Wulf and Nargen. But under the blows of batteries, the German squad was still forced to retreat. The operation to rescue the Russian ships continued and ended with the redeployment of 236 ships and vessels. In the meantime, 3 March 1918 was concluded the Brest Peace with Germany. According to the conditions of the Brest Peace, Russia was to withdraw all its warships from the ports of Finland, that is, from Helsingfors. At the same time, to remain on ships until the final withdrawal could, according to the terms of the treaty, only minor commands, which in the event of an attack by the Germans, could not offer them resistance.

Two days after the conclusion of the Brest Peace Treaty, 5 March 1918, the German ships approached the Aland Islands, located at a strategic point. There was a real threat of German and Finnish troops seizing the Russian ships stationed in Helsingfors. The fleet was faced with the “second series” of the Ice Campaign - this time the ships had to be withdrawn from Helsingfors to Kronstadt. Alexey Shchastny was again appointed to command this operation, who, moreover, already had experience in the withdrawal of ships from Reval. Shchastny acted in the same way. First 12 March 1918, two icebreakers launched four battleships and three cruisers from Helsingfors. The ships arrived in Kronstadt in five days, March 17 1918.

While the first ships of the evacuated Russian fleet were sailing from Helsingfors to Kronstadt, 12 in March 1918 was introduced a new post of Chief of the Naval Forces of the Baltic Sea. They appointed a personnel naval officer to Rear Admiral Alexander Vladimirovich Razvozov, who received the admiral rank already under the Provisional Government, being the commander of the Baltic Fleet, and before the February Revolution 1917, who commanded the 2 battalion of destroyer destroyers. However, Razvozov did not work well together with the management of Tsentrobalt - already on March 20 of 1918, he was dismissed for refusing to obey the Maritime Commissariat. Instead, the long-awaited promotion was received by Shchastny, appointed by the new head of the Baltic Sea Naval Forces.

Meanwhile, 3 on April 1918, the landing of German troops began on the Hanko Peninsula. 7 April Germans landed in the area of ​​Loviisa. So in Finland, right away, there were thousands of German soldiers before 15, which constituted a great threat to the Russian ships stationed there. In a changed situation, Shchastny was forced to withdraw ships literally at the risk of a German attack.

4 April 1918, the second detachment of ships, which included the 2 battleship, 2 cruisers and 2 submarines, left Helsingfors and six days later, 10 April, arrived in Kronstadt port. There was an equally challenging and difficult task - to withdraw from the Finnish port the third, most numerous detachment of ships, which included 45 destroyers, 3 destroyer, 10 submarines, 5 minelayers, 6 minesweepers, 11 patrol ships and 81 auxiliary ship. From 7 to 11 on April 1918, these ships were also withdrawn from Helsingfors. 11 April 1918, Helsingfors, which was already stormed by German troops, was left by the Chief of the Naval Forces of the Baltic Fleet Shchastny. 14 April 1918 of the year Helsingfors was taken by the Germans, but by this time the vast majority of Russian ships from the Finnish port had already been withdrawn. And this is despite the fact that the lack of crew on many ships reached 70%, for example, the Troop destroyer "Voyiskovoy" took out the entire 4 officer and 8 sailors.

The ice campaign of the Baltic Fleet became a unique example of the evacuation of warships in difficult climatic and military conditions. Despite the fact that the ships were marching on the ice, following the icebreakers, and Helsingfors were already besieged by the Germans, Shchastny was able to conduct a full hike without losing ships. And this despite the fact that the discipline in the Baltic Fleet in 1918 left much to be desired.

Many revolutionary sailors, who were in a state of euphoria from revolutionary events, absolutely did not want to observe military discipline and obey the instructions of the command. Shchastny was an exception. The way he commanded the fleet raised respect for the capable officer in the naval environment. Shchastny sympathized even with revolutionary sailors. It seemed that after the heroic Ice Camp such a person as Shchastny was supposed to receive an award from the young Soviet government - after all, he managed to save almost the entire Baltic Fleet for Soviet Russia. But the opposite happened - already 27 of May 1918, when the Ice Camp was just over, Alexey Shchastny was arrested by the Chekists.

It is now known that the personal commissioner for the arrest of Shchastny was given by the people's commissar of Russia for military and naval affairs Leon Trotsky. Shchastnogo was accused of counter-revolutionary actions and deepening the contradictions between the Soviet government and the fleet. It is noteworthy that the success in the Ice Campaign was regarded by Trotsky as the special actions of Shchastny to increase his authority among the sailors. Shchastny was also remembered for the fact that he allegedly accused the Soviet authorities of almost deliberately trying to hand over the Baltic ships to the German command. It is possible that this was indeed the case - Leon Trotsky was suspected that he was going to "surrender" the ships stationed in Revel and Helsingfors to the Germans. About the true plans of the Commissar Trotsky practically nothing is known today. Who knows, it may indeed have been between Trotsky and the representatives of Germany that there was an agreement on the surrender of the fleet.

They tried to defend Shchastny with the left Social Revolutionaries, who had great influence on the revolutionary sailors of the Baltic Fleet. But even their efforts were unsuccessful. 13 June 1918, the death penalty was revived in Russia, and 21 June 1918 was sentenced to death by Alexey Shchastny. This was the first death sentence imposed by the Soviet revolutionary tribunal. So Trotsky thanked the remarkable commander for the withdrawal of the Russian ships from Revel and Helsingfors. Shot Shchastny 22 June 1918 of the year in 4 hours 40 minutes. He was only 37 years old. Despite the fact that Shchastny was executed on the personal order of Trotsky, in subsequent years, even after Trotsky was declared an enemy of the people, the former chief of the Baltic Sea Naval Forces chose not to mention.

It was only in 1990 that they again started talking about the contribution Shchyadny made to saving the Baltic Fleet. The first to mention this was a military judge, Colonel of Justice Vyacheslav Zvyagintsev, who published in the newspaper Izvestia an article about the contribution of Alexei Mikhailovich Schastny to saving the Baltic Fleet from the Germans. In it, the military lawyer doubted that Shchastny really was guilty of counter-revolutionary agitation in the navy. But the rehabilitation process of Alexey Shchastnogo was delayed. In particular, he was opposed by some famous historians of the Soviet Navy, for whom such an approach was a “breaking stereotype”. Only in the 1995 year, almost eighty years after the execution, was Alexey Mikhailovich Schastny rehabilitated posthumously.
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  1. Bouncer
    Bouncer 21 February 2018 05: 56
    +20
    Not thanks - but contrary to
    The guys wedged in a conspiracy of the new masters of Russia with the German imperialists
    And that is why
    June 21, 1918 Alexei Schastny was sentenced to death. This was the first death sentence imposed by a Soviet revolutionary tribunal.

    The main thing - the fleet core was saved, and it was very important
  2. Fayter2017
    Fayter2017 21 February 2018 07: 43
    +4
    I never understood why Lenin actually capitulated to the Germans, when on the western front they suffered defeat after defeat, because of this, Russia lost the Baltic, Finland, and Ukraine for a long time, but true.
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 21 February 2018 08: 51
      +17
      Quote: Fayter2017
      I never understood why Lenin actually capitulated to the Germans, when on the western front they suffered defeat after defeat

      His front fell apart. Tightly. That is, the Germans could do absolutely everything they wanted, there was no one to fight with them. Order No. 1 and the events that followed it ruined the army
      1. Nikitin
        Nikitin 21 February 2018 09: 39
        +4
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        His front fell apart. Tightly. That is, the Germans could do absolutely everything they wanted, there was no one to fight with them. Order No. 1 and the events that followed it ruined the army

        At October 25, the front was virtually unchanged from 1915.
        Collapsed AFTER the October Revolution, after the stupid so-called "peace decree", after the demobilization of the army during the war, after the criminal decree on election and stupid fraternization telegrams.
        These are the FACTS.
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        Order No.1

        order 1 is printed by the Bolsheviks in their printing house. The original order does NOT exist.
        1. Akuzenka
          Akuzenka 21 February 2018 11: 58
          +9
          Learn the materiel, order No. 1 was issued by the Petrograd Soviet back in March 1917, when the Bolsheviks were nobody and called them nothing. The order was issued for the Petrograd garrison, but somehow quickly (probably by accident :)) its effect was extended to the entire army. And this was done at the direction of Kerensky. The original exists, it can be seen in the storerooms of the museum of the revolution, if you have access.
          1. Streletskos
            Streletskos 21 February 2018 12: 32
            +19
            This order was actively used by all parties that tried to seize the army, including the Bolsheviks. As a result, they collapsed.
            Our army was still falling apart for almost a year and was trying to advance.
            The German army in November 18 two weeks was enough
          2. Nikitin
            Nikitin 21 February 2018 12: 57
            +3
            Quote: AKuzenka
            Teach the materiel, order No. 1 was issued by the Petrograd Soviet back in March 1917,

            In the Council, the Bolsheviks WAS, it was they who printed it, which was actually adopted by the Council, it is NOT known, because no original
            Quote: AKuzenka
            th action extended to the entire army. And this was done at the direction of Kerensky.

            Well what a nonsense! He did not distribute anything
            Quote: AKuzenka
            The original exists, it can be seen in the storerooms of the museum of the revolution, if you have access.

            If he was, he would not be in the storerooms, but at the entrance to the museum.
            By the way, no so-called "Museum of the Revolution" -Do NOT exist! yes
            1. Monarchist
              Monarchist 21 February 2018 16: 06
              +1
              To Nikitin, “he would not be storage workers, but at the entrance to the museum” the fact of the matter is that all the “revolutionary parties” were interested in the breakdown of discipline and therefore the sneaky (in essence paper harmless to the Bolsheviks) “hustled”, and the papers were stored in storage rooms “ dangerous "for communist propaganda, otherwise they were not hidden
        2. Serg65
          Serg65 21 February 2018 13: 43
          +10
          Quote: Nikitin-
          At October 25, the front was virtually unchanged from 1915.

          Nikitin, how tired you are with your stubborn desire to whitewash your beloved Provisional Government !!!
          I dare to remind you how in July of the 17-th at the SWF of the 3 the German companies put the 126 and 2-Finnish divisions to flight, which subsequently resulted in the retreat of the 11-th, and after it the 7-th and 8-th Russian armies ! The decline in the personnel of the army due to desertion in June, July, August and September of the 17 was 40-45 thousand people every month!
          Quote: Nikitin-
          These are the FACTS.

          The fact is that the officers who betrayed their emperor were betrayed by their soldiers and began to cut them and raise them with bayonets!
          1. Gopnik
            Gopnik 21 February 2018 13: 50
            +3
            However, the Southwest Front stopped the Germans at the state border. Now compare with what forces and to where the Germans drove the army of Soviet Russia in February 1918, and what desertion was after the Bolsheviks came to power.

            Quote: Serg65
            The fact is that the officers who betrayed their emperor were betrayed by their soldiers and began to cut them and raise them with bayonets!


            Forgot to add "under the influence of the propaganda of the Bolsheviks and with their approval"
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 21 February 2018 14: 07
              +5
              Quote: Gopnik
              Now compare with what forces and to where the Germans drove the army of Soviet Russia in February 1918,

              what Why should I compare? The actions of the Guchkovs, Lvovs, Alekseevs, Denikins, Crimeans, Kornilovs, Lenins, Trotsky, Dybenkovs, Sverdlovs - these are links of one chain! Why compare the right link with the left link of the same chain ????
              1. Gopnik
                Gopnik 21 February 2018 14: 40
                +3
                The links are compared to find out which one is stronger, for example.
                In our case, to find out who brought more damage to the Russian army
                1. Serg65
                  Serg65 21 February 2018 14: 49
                  +3
                  Quote: Gopnik
                  to find out who did more harm to the Russian army

                  And what, will it give us? As the Provisional Government in treason was born, treason and ended, so communism began treason, treason and ended!
              2. Nikitin
                Nikitin 22 February 2018 08: 42
                +2
                Quote: Serg65
                The actions of the Guchkovs, Lvovs, Alekseevs, Denikins, Crimeans, Kornilovs, Lenins, Trotsky, Dybenkovs, Sverdlovs - these are links of one chain! XNUMX

                Adam and Eve forgot! lol
                1. Serg65
                  Serg65 22 February 2018 09: 52
                  +2
                  Quote: Nikitin-
                  Adam and Eve forgot!

                  "Ball, congratulations, you dunce"
                  quote from the movie Prostokvashino
                  1. Nikitin
                    Nikitin 22 February 2018 12: 10
                    +2
                    Quote: Serg65
                    "Ball, congratulations, you dunce"

                    "You have the means. You have not enough mind.". yes
                    Quote from "Winter in Prostokvashino"
                2. unknown
                  unknown 24 February 2018 10: 07
                  0
                  Why so far, and even in non-science fiction literature.

                  The phrase of Antonov-Ovseenko, who uttered it in the room in which the ministers of the Provisional Government gathered, during the so-called “storming of the Winter Palace”, fully answers your question. This phrase explains everything: “OURS AGREED WITH YOURS”. The German organizers agreed with the Anglo-Saxon and French, and informed their lackeys about it.
          2. Nikitin
            Nikitin 21 February 2018 16: 46
            +3
            Quote: Serg65
            Nikitin like you are already tired with your stubborn desire to whitewash your beloved Provisional Government !!!

            belay
            Quote: Serg65
            I want to remind you how in July 17th at the SWF 3 German companies put the 126th and 2nd Finnish divisions to flight, which later turned into the retreat of the 11th, and after it the 7th and 8th Russian armies ! The decline in the personnel of the army due to desertion in June, July, August and September 17 was 40-45 thousand people a month!

            attacked, retreated, didn’t lose anything special, and the front STANDED until February 1918
            Quote: Serg65
            The fact is that the officers who betrayed their emperor were betrayed by their soldiers and began to cut them and raise them with bayonets!

            Quote: Serg65
            betrayed by their soldiers

            Were for the king? yes
            HOW did the officers betray the Emperor? belay
        3. Fitter65
          Fitter65 21 February 2018 14: 04
          +2
          № 1
          Quote: Nikitin-
          order 1 is printed by the Bolsheviks in their printing house. The original order does NOT exist.

          And the number one order in which "their printing house" was printed. To begin with, any order, even for number 1, usually has a heading (title, and a date, for example. For example, "order number 1" on the recognition of ignorance of the basic provisions on the issuance of orders by a couch specialist NIKITIN "of February 21.02, 2018. Again, we go further usually in the troops. The numbering of orders starts from a certain date, for example, earlier, with the beginning of the school year, the troops issued a setting order for part No. 1 on December 1, there was also an order for the formation of the district , MO. That is already your footnote on pr fiction number 1 printed in some kind of “their printing house” is from the series- “but one grandmother in the yard said.” First of all, what kind of order (name), from which date (dated November 1, 1917, or December 31, 1943, or dated May 32, 2019) and of course, with whose signature, well, about such a moment as in the order, the place where the order was issued is also indicated next to it. Therefore, your attempt to run into the Bolsheviks who printed in some kind of "own" printing house, some kind of order for No. 1, this can be taken seriously by the spectators of "house-2" and friends of the bulk, well, or similar to you.
          1. Gopnik
            Gopnik 21 February 2018 15: 49
            +2
            You somehow wrote a lot of commonplace, but all by. What did you want to say? The Bolsheviks were directly involved in the creation and dissemination of "Order No. 1" and made every effort. But, most importantly, they did not stop at this order, continuing actions to break up the army further.
          2. Monarchist
            Monarchist 21 February 2018 16: 10
            +1
            Fitter, what calendar did you see on May 32?
            1. Fitter65
              Fitter65 21 February 2018 16: 58
              +4
              Quote: Monarchist
              Fitter, what calendar did you see on May 32?

              and in that same printed where
              Quote: Nikitin-
              order 1 is printed by the Bolsheviks in their printing house. The original order does NOT exist.
              .
              Sometimes watch classics of Soviet cinema, rather than American chewing gum for cattle.
              In a gorgeous movie (you don’t only have to look there and think, well, it will probably be hard for you. I’m thinking about it ...) So in the gorgeous Soviet film “The same Munchausen”, where the greatest artists AMAZINGly play, Oleg Yankovsky, Inna Churikova, Leonid Bronevoy, Yarmolnik, AbdulovKorneva ... The main character, Tot Sammy Munchausen, talks about how he gave people an extra day, May 32. He did not just say, but justified this achievement.
              Quote: Gopnik
              What did you want to say? The Bolsheviks were directly involved in the creation and dissemination of "Order No. 1" and made every effort.

              So I explained to you that the Bolsheviks have nothing to do with your order No. 1. You are here coughing (the third nostril) about some order for No. 1, which some "Bolsheviks" printed in some kind of "their printing house" the original wasn’t preserved. I popularly explained to you the sheep from the flock of sheep that any order except the name and date also has a name, as well as the place of publication, but you don’t understand me here with any number 1 (this is the tram route ) by an order printed in some newspaper, you liberals and others like them beat like sheep flocks, leaders (rams) lead us to fat pastures, only one thing you don’t know is that in front of any sheep herd led by rams, well, the bulk of you example, how he threw his rams ....
          3. Nikitin
            Nikitin 21 February 2018 17: 37
            +2
            Quote: Fitter65
            And the number one order in which "their printing house" was printed. To begin with, any order even for No. 1 has usually a hat(title, and be sure to date. For example, "Order No. 1" on recognition about ignorance of the main provisions on the issuing of orders by a sofa specialist NIKITIN "of February 21.02, 2018. Again, we usually go further in the army, the numbering of orders begins from a certain date, for example, earlier, with the beginning of the school year, on December 1, the troops issued an installation order for part No. 1, there was also an order for the connection, the okrug, Moscow oblast. to order No. 1 printed in some kind of “their printing house” is from the series- “but one grandmother in the yard said.” First of all, what kind of order (name), from which date (dated November 1, 1917, or December 31, 1943, or 32 May 2019) and of course, with whose signature, well, about such a moment as the order indicates in addition to everything else and the place of publication of the order.Therefore, your attempt to run into the Bolsheviks who printed in some kind of "his "printing house, some kind of order for No. 1 is seriously taken by the spectators of "house-2" and friends of the bulk, well, or similar to you.

            What was that? belay lol
            Quote: Fitter65
            run over the Bolsheviks who printed in some "own" printing house

            In the Izvestia printing house it was printed, which was captured and controlled by the Bolsheviks, headed by polygraphist Bonch-Bruevich. Original NO.
            1. Hantengri
              Hantengri 21 February 2018 19: 53
              +2
              Quote: Nikitin-
              In the Izvestia printing house it was printed, which was captured and controlled by the Bolsheviks, headed by polygraphist Bonch-Bruevich. Original NO.

              Do you, like Olgovich, have strange "voices" in your head, or does the information have a certain material medium?
              1. Nikitin
                Nikitin 22 February 2018 08: 48
                +1
                Quote: HanTengri
                Do you, like Olgovich, have strange "voices" in your head, or does the information have a certain material medium?

                Is there an educational program? request
                Learn history and find yes
                1. Hantengri
                  Hantengri 22 February 2018 09: 10
                  +2
                  So, all the same, "voices" ... It is regrettable.
                  1. Nikitin
                    Nikitin 22 February 2018 15: 56
                    +1
                    Quote: HanTengri
                    So, all the same, "voices" ... It is regrettable.

                    Those who seem to have voices"must be handed over to the clinic. For experiments"(C) hi
    2. Gopnik
      Gopnik 21 February 2018 12: 31
      +2
      In the sense of "briefly"? Forever actually
  3. Nikitin
    Nikitin 21 February 2018 08: 46
    +2
    On June 13, 1918, the death penalty was revived in Russia, and on June 21, 1918, Alexei Shchastnogo sentenced to death. This was the first death sentence imposed by a Soviet revolutionary tribunal. So Trotsky thanked wonderful commander for the withdrawal of Russian ships from Revel and Helsingfors.

    Schastny saved the country's fleet and received a worthy death, and Trotsky and Dybenko were destroyed by their own party comrades.
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 21 February 2018 08: 55
      +8
      Quote: Nikitin-
      Schastny saved the country's fleet and received a decent death

      This is completely unworthy of his death. You probably mean that he met his death with dignity.
      "Let me excuse myself, the wretchedness of your black thoughts,
      But I can’t forgive the unclean Nagan
      The fact that at my death hour you are not in shape,
      The unshavenness of your cheeks and this terrible fume "
      1. Nikitin
        Nikitin 21 February 2018 09: 46
        +2
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        This is completely unworthy of his death.

        Worthy, for the hero who saved the honor of the country received it from the bandits and traitors who seized power in the country.
        1. avt
          avt 21 February 2018 10: 35
          +10
          Quote: Nikitin-
          Worthy, for the hero who saved the honor of the country received it from the bandits and traitors who seized power in the country.

          How did you get the goofies really, that’s what the comrade political commander told you, you’ll repeat it. Like in a joke about a flying crocodile fool The article does not match the title very much, and does not reveal the topic at all. Why did the author not bother to compare the options for evacuating the fleet proposed by Schastny and what the same Central Balt offered him? Well, at least in response to the impossibility of withdrawing ships with a short crew and, as a consequence, the sailors from the auxiliary fleet remaining according to the Schastny plan to the Germans in Helsigssfors? Why didn’t the same Shchastny take ANY measures to strengthen the icebreaker teams and the Central Guard organized the armed guard of the remaining ones, after hijacking several to the white Finns, and practically to the Germans Goltz? That’s why, the clever without fear and reproach was that I didn’t understand the value of these ships for the fleet at that moment ??? Hijacked, among other things, in particular the second most powerful icebreaker after Ermak. I will not speak about the submarines that were not withdrawn from the base of the Aland Islands by icebreakers. frank sabotage of the officers, that is, the author did not bother to take the trouble to describe the political conditions at that time! And did the author hear something about the same Finns offering to just sell them some ships? At least, this work was carried out. ! negative Panegyric Shchastnoy. But the goal has been achieved - angry analytics of everything and everyone were drawn in the comments, although they themselves do not understand anything
          Quote: romey
          So I did not understand the logic of Trotsky’s actions and the essence of the accusation brought against Schastny.
          don't know anything
          Quote: romey
          He was charged with an attempt to increase authority?
          But they are judged with aplomb of acquired knowledge from above
          Quote: romey
          It is very strange, but Bronstein should have known that the BF personnel had not recognized any authorities at all, nor Shchastny, nor Dybenka, nor Bronstein himself ... It was a pirate fleet with the capital of the pirate republic in Kronstadt, which it was able to defeat in half with sin only in 1921.
          1. Nikitin
            Nikitin 21 February 2018 11: 02
            +3
            Quote: avt
            How did you get the fools really, that's what Comrade Political Officer told you , then you will repeat.

            А that he said? belay
            Quote: avt
            Why didn’t the same Shchastny take ANY measures to strengthen the icebreaker teams and the Central Guard organized the armed guard of the remaining ones, after hijacking several to the white Finns, and practically to the Germans Goltz? That’s why, the clever without fear and reproach was that I didn’t understand the value of these ships for the fleet at that moment ??? Hijacked, among other things, in particular the second most powerful icebreaker after Ermak. I will not speak about the submarines that were not withdrawn from the base of the Aland Islands by icebreakers. overt sabotage of officers, that is, the author did not bother to take the trouble to describe the political conditions at that time!

            He did the maximum possible in the conditions of the Bolshevik BADAK
            Quote: avt
            did the author hear something about the same Finns offering just to sell them some ships?

            Why buy if, for example, Latvia the Bolsheviks gave part of the fleet for FREE?
            1. avt
              avt 21 February 2018 11: 13
              +5
              Quote: Nikitin-
              What did he say?

              Az sinful does not even know what, does not even want to know who you have chosen as your political officer. But one thing is for sure - a rather dumb creature. Especially in the ratio of the quoted quote and the ludicrous answer to it
              Quote: Nikitin-
              He did the maximum possible in the conditions of the Bolshevik BADAK

              Well, aplomb in response
              Quote: Nikitin-
              Why buy if, for example, Latvia the Bolsheviks gave part of the fleet for FREE?

              enchanting! bully I won’t even wait for an answer to -What ?, Which Latvia? In the sense of the one that Lenin created, or directly to the body of Goltz, thrown from Finland after the capture of Riga and practically the creation of socialist Latvia. Already today, on a different issue, he wrote on another branch
              Your comment resembles a scene from a specialized doctor who shows the patient pictures and asks to say that he sees and receives different answers for different images .......... (put the right one yourself). And to the question - why exactly ,,,,,,,? And I always think about ......
              You can put in the ellipsis
              MESS
              and do not bathe.
              1. Nikitin
                Nikitin 21 February 2018 13: 13
                +2
                Quote: avt
                Az sinful not only they do not know , doesn’t even want to know who you elected

                He doesn’t know, but .... chatting!request
                Quote: avt
                Especially in the ratio of the quoted quote and the ludicrous answer to it

                So what did the politician say, anyway? request
                Quote: avt
                I won’t even wait for an answer to -What ?, Which Latvia? In the sense of the one that Lenin created, or directly to the body of Goltz, thrown from Finland after the capture of Riga and practically the creation of socialist Latvia. Already today, on a different issue, he wrote on another branch

                You don’t have to wait for an answer, you just need to know it: the Bolsheviks paid for their defeat of bourgeois Latvia with the property and ships of the Baltic Fleet. And the Russian lands.
                With Estonia, they paid for the defeat with Russian lands, property and gold. Until now, the "best Estonian" Bolshevik Adolfushka Ioffe EVERY year is remembered by a grateful Estonia memorial service at his grave
                Quote: avt
                Already today, on a different issue on another thread I wrote
                Your comment Recalls scene at specialized doctor

                Do VO talk about their memories of going to the doctor? All the more so? request
                1. avt
                  avt 21 February 2018 13: 35
                  +6
                  Quote: Nikitin-
                  you just need to know him: the Bolsheviks paid for their defeat of bourgeois Latvia with the property and ships of the Baltic Fleet.

                  Well, a list in the studio p-i-and-of! Although what am I talking about
                  Quote: Nikitin-
                  No need to wait for an answer

                  Secret knowledge it is - it must be stored ... secretly! And when someone insists, you need to include a fool
                  Quote: Nikitin-
                  With Estonia, they paid for the defeat with Russian lands, property and gold.

                  For the world revolution, maybe left behind bully Well, when is the secret knowledge about
                  Quote: Nikitin-
                  the Bolsheviks paid for their defeat of bourgeois Latvia with the property and ships of the Baltic Fleet.

                  At least about the ships, about the property is not necessary. Lists in the studio with the date of transfer to whom from whom. Or next time you will sing about Armenia and Georgia?
                  1. Nikitin
                    Nikitin 21 February 2018 17: 02
                    +2
                    Quote: avt
                    Secret knowledge it is - it must be stored ... secretly! And when someone insists, it’s necessary fool includeь

                    So don’t turn it on, who is forcing you? request
                    Quote: avt
                    At least about the ships, about the property is not necessary.

                    Riga Treaty, 1920:
                    Latvia pledged not to support the White Guard movement in exchange for diplomatic recognition, assignment of a part of the ships and property of the Baltic Fleet, Russian property in the territory of Latvia and merchant ships in Latvian territorial waters, recognition of the transfer to Latvia of territories in the Vitebsk province and, in addition, part of the territory of the Pskov province.
                    .
                    Quote: avt
                    Or will you sing about Armenia next time with Georgia?

                    belay lol
                    1. avt
                      avt 21 February 2018 17: 31
                      +3
                      Quote: Nikitin-
                      Riga Treaty, 1920:

                      Once again you are our gifted
                      Quote: avt
                      At least about the ships, about the property is not necessary. Lists in the studio with the date of transfer to whom from whom.
                      I do not recommend invoking the Communist Manifesto.
                      1. Nikitin
                        Nikitin 22 February 2018 15: 51
                        +2
                        Quote: avt
                        Once again you are our gifted

                        Once again (for tankers):
                        Riga Treaty, 1920:
                        Latvia pledged not to support the White Guard movement in exchange for diplomatic recognition, the cession of part of the ships and property of the Baltic Fleet, Russian property on the territory of Latvia and merchant ships in Latvian territorial waters, recognition of the transfer to Latvia of territories in the Vitebsk province and, in addition, part of the territory of the Pskov province.
                        ..
                        Quote: avt
                        I do not recommend invoking the Communist Manifesto.

                        belay lol
          2. Fitter65
            Fitter65 21 February 2018 14: 38
            +3
            Quote: avt
            this is what the comrade political commander told you, you will repeat.

            In vain do you offend the political leaders — the squadron’s commissar Arseniy Vasilievich Vorozheykin, a fighter pilot, twice Hero of the Soviet Union. Among the pilots who made rams on the first day of the Great Patriotic War — there are political officers and commissars, there’s no time to look, if you google it interestingly. I’m for my service until the institute is canceled the deputy commanders for the political part mostly met decent officers (I started serving on October 13.10.1983, 22.08.2015, retired on August XNUMX, XNUMX) I still respect respect for Major Bulgakov, Major Gorenkov, it was PEOPLE and at least one was called “Fara” but not from the fact that he wore glasses, but from the fact that he delved into everything, saw and solved many problems, highlighted his headlights. When he was responsible in part, when he came to the guard for checking, many soldiers were even upset that they were sleeping at that time. Real officers !!!
            1. Monarchist
              Monarchist 21 February 2018 16: 29
              +1
              Regarding the political leaders, I would recommend reading Drabkin. The fact that Drabkin is not a fantasy do you doubt?
              1. Curious
                Curious 21 February 2018 16: 53
                +3
                Monarchist, Drabkin - biologist, i.e. with respect to history, he is just as much an amateur as we are. I have nothing against amateurs in general and Drabkin personally, but this is slightly different.
    2. Akuzenka
      Akuzenka 21 February 2018 12: 00
      +1
      They were not their comrades, but only fellow travelers. Comrades knew how to build, and fellow travelers, ONLY to destroy. I repeat again - learn the materiel, everything is available on the Internet.
  4. Romey
    Romey 21 February 2018 09: 33
    +1
    So I did not understand the logic of Trotsky’s actions and the essence of the accusation brought against Schastny. He was charged with an attempt to increase authority? It seems like the help of military experts was urgent .... It is very strange, but Bronstein should have known that the BF personnel had not recognized any authorities at all, nor Schastny, nor Dybenka, nor Bronstein himself ... It was a pirate fleet with the pirate capital republic in Kronstadt, which with a half could be defeated with a sin only in 1921. And the fact that the fleet was suddenly disciplined during the transition can be logically explained by a sense of self-preservation, for if these rheumats fell into the hands of the Germans or Finns, it is quite possible they had every chance of being hanged and shot ...
    1. Akuzenka
      Akuzenka 21 February 2018 12: 05
      0
      It's simple, the Russian fleet had to be destroyed. It doesn’t matter who, the Germans, Trotskyists or the British (remember operation "Catapult" and its consequences). And they saved him. So Trotsky was enraged, they sent him to destroy. And so that more rescuers did not appear (A.M.Schastny completely fulfilled his duty as a Russian officer), he was shot.
      1. avt
        avt 21 February 2018 12: 36
        +6
        Quote: AKuzenka
        It's simple, the Russian fleet had to be destroyed. It doesn’t matter who, the Germans, Trotskyists or the British (remember operation "Catapult" and its consequences). And they saved him. So Trotsky was enraged, they sent him to destroy. And so that more rescuers did not appear (A.M.Schastny completely fulfilled his duty as a Russian officer), he was shot.

        Well this is already a real clinic. fool The main thing is that
        Quote: AKuzenka
        It's simple

        Dybenko - well, sooooo! Trotsky - pla-aho-oh! Shchastny - ha-a-ro-oh-oh! And all-yo-yo-yo-yo! Oh! Yes! To take ships out in the winter, it’s like pissing off in the cold. And everyone who does not agree, but just wants some sort of specific analysis based on the FACTS and the realities of THAT time, can go through the woods, or get killed on the wall.
  5. Ryazan87
    Ryazan87 21 February 2018 10: 30
    +2
    Rear Admiral Alexander Vladimirovich Razvozov, mentioned in the text, will die under arrest at the Crosses prison hospital on June 14, 1020.
    1. avt
      avt 21 February 2018 13: 01
      +5
      Quote: Ryazanets87
      will die under arrest at the Crosses prison hospital on June 14, 1020.

      what Where is he in 1020 ,, Crosses ", and most importantly the Bolsheviks who found him there, who found them? wassat
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 21 February 2018 16: 52
        +6
        Quote: avt
        Where is he in 1020 ,, Crosses ", and most importantly the Bolsheviks who found him there, who found them?

        The fellow man has now gone undeterred ... laughing
  6. Gopnik
    Gopnik 21 February 2018 12: 34
    +1
    Another shameful page in our history, because of the traitors and Russophobes of the Bolsheviks. It is good that a patriotic officer was found, otherwise everything would have been much more shameful than in real life.
    1. avt
      avt 21 February 2018 12: 54
      +7
      Quote: Gopnik
      Another shameful page in our history, because of the traitors and Russophobes of the Bolsheviks. It is good that a patriotic officer was found, otherwise everything would have been much more shameful than in real life.

      what What then will the full moon be? It’s scary to even guess .... request
      1. Gopnik
        Gopnik 21 February 2018 13: 15
        +1
        Can you turn into a wolf? Or do you only transform during the Blue Moon?
    2. Looking for
      Looking for 21 February 2018 15: 13
      +6
      Quote: Gopnik
      Another shameful page in our history, because of the traitors and Russophobes of the Bolsheviks. It is good that a patriotic officer was found, otherwise everything would have been much more shameful than in real life.

      Fool !! Traitors and Russophobes are all sorts of olgovichs and other liberal bourgeois like you
      1. Gopnik
        Gopnik 21 February 2018 15: 53
        +1
        Well no. Fools, traitors and Russophobes are figures like you, brought up by false Soviet propaganda, and hesitating with it, and not wanting to get out of the cozy and familiar world of illusions. All the facts are able to answer only "you're lying FSE" and go on insults.
  7. Curious
    Curious 21 February 2018 13: 00
    +9
    The article is a classic sketch of a fan. The author does not bother even the slightest links to any documents. He simply makes a sketch - the Bolsheviks decided to shoot a bad military specialist. What for? Yes, just like that, it's the Bolsheviks.
    There is nothing new in the article. On the net, where you can’t spit - similar articles. Why this is located in the "History" section is not clear.
    By the way, the author could add to Schastny another "fleet rescuer" -Sablin, which the Black Sea Fleet "saved." A very similar situation.
    1. avt
      avt 21 February 2018 13: 24
      +8
      Quote: Curious
      The article is a classic sketch of a fan. The author does not bother even the slightest links to any documents.

      Yes. However, hackwork is rare, surprisingly from the author, who produced good articles. The topic is actually very serious, since the political component is intertwined with the technical one, so that it’s simply impossible to separate and paint the interaction .... rather, it’s really difficult to interact, it’s hard to act with facts, by the way. The author didn’t even consider such a fact to be necessary - Of the ships that remained, well, they didn’t end up in the Ice Age, a significant amount the Bolsheviks managed to pull out of Helsigssfors after that. But they naturally did not return the icebreakers taken away by officers under the nose of Schastny.
  8. Monarchist
    Monarchist 21 February 2018 16: 31
    0
    Quote: AKuzenka
    It's simple, the Russian fleet had to be destroyed. It doesn’t matter who, the Germans, Trotskyists or the British (remember operation "Catapult" and its consequences). And they saved him. So Trotsky was enraged, they sent him to destroy. And so that more rescuers did not appear (A.M.Schastny completely fulfilled his duty as a Russian officer), he was shot.

    It looks like
    1. avt
      avt 21 February 2018 17: 19
      +7
      Quote: Monarchist
      It looks like

      It looks like a meeting of the quiet. Specifically, WHO, WHICH ,, Bolsheviks-German agents "captured icebreakers with tacit connivance and right under Shchastny’s nose without which the fleet’s wiring to Kronstadt wasn’t at all possible !? Well, if anyone wanted to hand over the fleet to the Germans, it’s those who did not accept the October Revolution and who remained especially zealous after desertion, fleet officers, quietly sabotaging like Schastny, or actively opposing with weapons in their hands, like those that captured icebreakers. She didn’t get away with it - the reward found a “hero” rather quickly .For those who are not particularly gifted in terms of perceiving documentary digital, I recommend an adapted literary version of the PARTICIPANT of those events on EM. Orpheus, then a junior officer, Ivan Isakov / Hovhannes Ter Isahakyan, who became a famous admiral in the USSR. When his ship with disassembled turbines was supposed to stay in Helsigssfors, but thanks to actions not Schastny with ,, Krecheta ", but quite a decision of the Central Balance in tow, he was pulled out, like many other battle crusts bli those laborers ,, Verbs ", ,, Vedi" Almost under the nose of the fighters Golts on the pier.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 21 February 2018 17: 42
        +8
        Quote: avt
        I recommend an adapted literary version of the PARTICIPANT of those events on E.M. Orpheus, then a junior officer, Ivan Isakov / Hovhannes Ter Isahakyan, who became a famous admiral in the USSR. When his ship with disassembled turbines was supposed to remain in Helsigssfors, but thanks to the actions of not Schastny with ,, Krecheta ", but quite a decision of the Central Balts in tow, was pulled out, like many other warships by those hard workers ,, Verbs", ,, Vedi "Almost under the nose of the fighters Goltz on the pier.

        This moment was described by Sobolev:
        But we couldn’t move: on Orpheus, the destroyer, the left rowing shaft was bent, and there was a “cabbage” in the right turbine - its blades were crushed by an autumn accident. We stood in the southern harbor of Helsingfors, in the center of the city, and looked at the ships of the Baltic Fleet departing on their own. Until April 12, we did not know how we would be able to save our ship from the pressure of the German troops called up by the Finnish bourgeoisie under the command of General Mannerheim. Part of the team switched to "The Guardian": there were only four people on it, but the cars somehow spun. “The guardian” also left before our eyes - slowly, in a small stroke, barely pushing the ice floes broken by the ships.
        On the morning of April 12, shots of Finnish White Guards crackled in the city. Near the destroyer, a port crane stood. On its upper platform, with a simple eye, without binoculars, five figures of Finnish workers with red bandages on their sleeves were visible, among them one woman. They clung to the trellised trusses of the crane, clutching revolvers in their hands. Crossing figures with rifles appeared on Thorget-Platz. They shot at the windows, at the gates, pushing into the alleys the workers' detachments of the Finnish Red Guards. Then a rare but accurate shooting started from the crane. Unwilling witnesses, shackled by the terms of the peace treaty, we only watched as one after another, people with white bandages, dressed in solid civilian coats, fell on the Torgetz-platz. The advancing began to hide from this exact fire behind the fountain in the middle of the Market Square. Then a machine gun appeared from somewhere and rattled on the crane. He knocked for a long time - apparently, he didn’t have to spare any bullets - and only when all the stirring on the crane stopped, three with white bandages got up there. They threw from the crane the bodies of the slain Red Guards and, last, the wounded. Falling from a height of twenty meters, he screamed until he hit the pavement, and this cry I remember now.
        His scream was picked up by a thick and hoarse beep. We looked around - a dirty pot-bellied transport flying the Soviet flag approached us.
        In the old days, such ships had the contemptuous name "bandura" in the navy. They were also called "merchants" or "transporters." And such a “bandura” with a grand opening of six knots came up to the elegant and slender, but anonymous destroyer. A man in an inconceivable shaggy robe threw a throwing end at our tank. His thin snake brought a six-inch cable to our bollards, the “bandura” started running, and Helsingfors began to slowly move away with the white Finns, who were already looking at the lone Soviet destroyer ...
        For twelve long and difficult days we went in tow of the Burlaka. He pushed the ice broken by Ermak with his wide belly, saving with his own sides the thin and graceful contours of the warship. Then I did not see this transport anywhere. But forever remained in my memory his wide and dirty feed ...
        1. avt
          avt 21 February 2018 18: 55
          +4
          Quote: Alexey RA
          This moment was described by Sobolev:

          request .And he definitely messed up with those nostrils that were inflating. Isakov was on Izyaslav and he painted how the officers left quietly, and the remaining gunner stood watch because of the lack of compilation. He got tired after the opuses that the connoisseurs had made today on a branch. .
  9. jurijsv
    jurijsv 21 February 2018 21: 22
    0
    "Virtually nothing is known about the true plans of the commissar of war Trotsky even today. Who knows, maybe there really was a conspiracy between the Trotsky and German representatives to surrender the fleet

    It should be noted that there is evidence of Trotsky’s real designs. Trotsky's true goal was to destroy the fleet at the insistence of the British, which was done on the Black Sea.
    So rightly Bronstein ice ax was then marked.
    1. Curious
      Curious 21 February 2018 22: 18
      +3
      "It should be noted that there is evidence of Trotsky’s real designs. "
      I understand that gentlemen take their word for it. But I would still like to back up the words with links to decent sources.
    2. Hantengri
      Hantengri 21 February 2018 23: 17
      +3
      Quote: jurijsv
      It should be noted that there is evidence of Trotsky’s real designs. Trotsky's true goal was to destroy the fleet at the insistence of the British, which was done on the Black Sea.

      Have you read Starikov? Oh well... laughing The old man is still a "hustle"! https://bookz.ru/authors/petr-balaev/anti-sta_794
      /1-anti-sta_794.html
  10. avt
    avt 22 February 2018 18: 24
    +4
    Nikitin,

    Quote: Nikitin-
    Once again (for tankers):

    Not only is the clown ... well, not witty (this is in accordance with the rules of the site), but also does not understand the meaning of the words in Cyrillic letters. Well, I’m not a burden again for the disease - Reveal to the world and the website LIST OF TRANSFERRED SHIPS OF THE BALTIC Navy of Latvia. A list is when they write in a column or line, in our case, the names of the ships with the date of transfer from whom to whom.
    1. Gopnik
      Gopnik 23 February 2018 02: 15
      0
      For example these:
      "Vindavets". Former icebreaking tugboat of the railway department, built in 1904 in Finland. In 7.1915 it was mobilized and included in the BF. He participated in the 1st World War and the February bourgeois-democratic revolution. At the end of 2.1918, due to the impossibility of wiring in the ice, it was left in Reval, captured by German troops and subsequently transferred to Latvia under the Riga Peace Treaty.
      Gernmark. Former icebreaker. The towing parachute of the Riga Stock Exchange Committee, built in 1891. During the years of the 1st World War it was mobilized and included in the Baltic Fleet. He participated in the 1st World War, the February bourgeois-democratic revolution and the Ice Campaign (9-16.4.1918). 11.12.1920/XNUMX/XNUMX according to the Riga Peace Treaty returned to Latvia and was excluded from the lists.
      1. avt
        avt 23 February 2018 11: 22
        +1
        Quote: Gopnik
        For example these:

        bully Well, finally, at least someone worked as a search engine and ... found TWO port TOWS! bully Moreover, one was abandoned to the Germans in Reval, and the second was generally mobilized in wartime from the home port to which they returned. But for them it was definitely necessary to start a new war bully
        Quote: Gopnik
        Quote:
        One of the articles of the contract was prescribed the re-evacuation of boats owned by Latvian citizens, organizations, ports.
        however, already in May 1921, Soviet Russia, referring to article 15 of the peace treaty, refused to release ships from Petrograd and decided to sell the ships, which the Latvian re-evacuation commission categorically objected ....
        On August 6, 1922, Soviet Russia notified Latvia of its readiness to transfer 2 port and 2 river tugboats to Latvia. At the same time, the seemingly visible shifts in the re-evacuation of Latvian ships and boats, the Soviet side in every possible way delayed the transfer of Latvian property. On September 12, the Latvian Re-evacuation Commission in Moscow lodged a protest with the chairman of the Soviet Commission over the obstacles posed to the re-evacuation case. On November 28, 1922, the Latvian delegate captain left for Moscow. Zarin demanding the extradition of the remaining 7 vessels, which are recognized as her property.
        The main requirement of Latvia to Soviet Russia was the return of icebreakers and large icebreaking tugs, in which Latvia felt an urgent need.
        On July 15, 1923, the Soviet side once again reported that the re-evacuation of Latvian floating craft from Petrograd was delayed due to the poor condition of the ships and the need to continue repairing them. However, already on July 17, “Icebreaker No. 2”, dredgers, steam scows and tugboats left for Petrograd from Riga. The experienced Latvian captain Zaryn led the caravan.
        . The cost of the ships included in the caravan was estimated at 50 million Latvian rubles. By a government decision on July 29, the vessel was given the new name “Pērkons”.

        That's right - any war ends in peace and in fact
        Quote: Gopnik
        On August 4, 1920, the first meeting of the peace conference was held under the chairmanship of Ioffe, at which the issue of re-evacuation of port facilities and port facilities was considered.

        they decided to return the property mobilized in wartime assigned to the corresponding ports for political reasons - no one had yet canceled Trotsky’s permanent revolution. But where does the SHIP Baltic Fleet?
        Quote: avt
        Nikitin
        It’s not in vain - besides the two destroyers captured by the ENGLISH in battle and handed over to the Baltic states, he has nothing to present, and a couple of tugboats with shrews and scows for sale by the Bolsheviks of the Baltic Fleet’s battles bully Yes
        Quote: Gopnik
        One of the articles of the contract was prescribed the re-evacuation of boats owned by Latvian citizens, organizations, ports.

        It’s more like a dispute between business entities than a sale of Russia.
        1. Gopnik
          Gopnik 23 February 2018 14: 29
          0
          It's funny to watch you. first, "you FSE are lying! There was nothing." Then "it was, but a little bit." In fact, Nikitin is right. Soviet Russia-USSR simply shamefully gave the Limitrof, at his request, their ships, Baltic Fleet auxiliary vessels. And it is clear that they did not want to give, delayed, but still gave. And in the "cradle of the revolution", the Russian ships lowered the flag and the Latvians raised their own on them, and put up their guards in order to lead them away as a tribute. A disgrace.
          1. avt
            avt 23 February 2018 19: 31
            +1
            Quote: Gopnik
            It's funny to watch you. first, "you FSE are lying! There was nothing."

            It’s funny to see how much time Schastny’s defenders took to work as a search engine.
            Quote: Gopnik
            . In fact, Nikitin is right.

            In fact, you and Nikitin are climbing out of your skin looking for evidence of how to pull the “sale of Russia” and specifically the Baltic Fleet onto the drum. Begin by accusing the Bolsheviks of selling Alaska, and cite “Ekaterina” for documentary evidence “Lyube”! You were wrong. " fool And you can compare how USA admirals betrayed their country and sold tankers to Anasis after the war from the auxiliary fleet. It will become your time to write about the “sale” of scandals and excavators taken from a civilian in wartime and written off as unnecessary. Now, well, if you don’t disgrace with two port tugs further, look at how much the same Bolsheviks took back when joining the Baltic states before the war.
            Quote: Gopnik
            A disgrace.

            you are ours. Describe the same way with the trembling of the keyboard, as you already raised the red flag on the former, for example, a German minesweeper, the Baltic states got it - clave in hand, google in search.
            1. Gopnik
              Gopnik 23 February 2018 22: 26
              0
              You do not know how to use a search engine, therefore, you simply were not aware of how the Bolsheviks had lost the Latvian war, agreed with their demands for the transfer of ships. And they tried to offend Nikitin, insulting him and turning to personalities. But a bummer, he turned out to be right, and you turned out to be a clown. Now here are clowning around
    2. Gopnik
      Gopnik 23 February 2018 02: 23
      0
      Quote:
      One of the articles of the contract was prescribed the re-evacuation of boats owned by Latvian citizens, organizations, ports.
      On August 4, 1920, the first meeting of the peace conference was held under the chairmanship of Ioffe, at which the issue of re-evacuation of port facilities and port facilities was considered.
      In October 1920, after signing the instruments of ratification, the implementation of the terms of the peace treaty began. P. Titmanis was appointed chairman of the evacuation committee, and V. Ludins ... as chairman of the state military losses commission
      On December 20, 1920, the delegate of the Latvian Re-evacuation Commission, captain Zarin in Moscow, was given the mandate to receive in Latvia floating craft in the amount of 2 steam scows, 2 refoulers and Icebreaker No. 2. Captain Zarin went to Petersburg immediately after receiving this message ...
      On January 18, 1921, the Commissar for Foreign Affairs of Soviet Russia ordered the chief of maritime affairs to release all vessels belonging to Latvia from Petrograd, but already in May 1921, Soviet Russia, referring to article 15 of the peace treaty, refused to let the vessels out of Petrograd and decided to sell the vessels , against what the Latvian re-evacuation commission categorically objected ....
      On August 6, 1922, Soviet Russia notified Latvia of its readiness to transfer 2 port and 2 river tugboats to Latvia. At the same time, the seemingly visible shifts in the re-evacuation of Latvian ships and boats, the Soviet side in every possible way delayed the transfer of Latvian property. On September 12, the Latvian Re-evacuation Commission in Moscow lodged a protest with the chairman of the Soviet Commission over the obstacles posed to the re-evacuation case. On November 28, 1922, the Latvian delegate captain left for Moscow. Zarin demanding the extradition of the remaining 7 vessels, which are recognized as her property.
      The main requirement of Latvia to Soviet Russia was the return of icebreakers and large icebreaking tugs, in which Latvia felt an urgent need.
      In January 1923, caravan No. 3 began to form in Petrograd. It included: “Icebreaker No. 2”, 2 dredgers “Tit Eidrigovich”, “Libava” and steam scoops “Venta” and “Gaynash”, 5 small tugboats and a steam boat. On December 30, the Latvian flag was hoisted on ships and the Latvian guard was put up.
      On January 17, the Libavian tugboat Varonis, owned by the state, departed from Riga to Petrograd on January 3 to facilitate the transfer of the third caravan of re-evacuated ships. However, the transition did not take place again, as urgent repairs and tidying up of cars on some ships were required.
      On July 15, 1923, the Soviet side once again reported that the re-evacuation of Latvian floating craft from Petrograd was delayed due to the poor condition of the ships and the need to continue repairing them. However, already on July 17, “Icebreaker No. 2”, dredgers, steam scows and tugboats left for Petrograd from Riga. The experienced Latvian captain Zaryn led the caravan.
      On July 23, the entire caravan entered the Balderaid raid, and the next day after the customs documents were processed, the ships left for Riga, where they organized a gala reception. The first icebreaker "Icebreaker No. 2" approached the Riga embankment with 16 repatriates and archives of Latvian ports on board. The cost of the ships included in the caravan was estimated at 50 million Latvian rubles. By a government decision on July 29, the vessel was given the new name “Pērkons”.