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Veterans of a covert operation in Syria addressed Putin

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The Union of Syrian Veterans Association appealed to Russian President Vladimir Putin with a request to recognize them as internationalist soldiers in connection with participation in the Syrian operation 1983-1984; now the place of their service is Moscow Air Defense District.


The appeal was sent on behalf of veterans of 220 and 231 anti-aircraft missile regiments, ground and airborne electronic warfare, the communications center “waterfall”, the 5th Black Sea squadron and 4 squadron of underwater fleet Navy. They ask to supplement the law "On Veterans" with events in the Middle East of 1982-1984, in which the Soviet military took part. The text of the appeal is published on Online organization.

Veterans of a covert operation in Syria addressed Putin


The appeal reminds that in the 1982 year, during the Arab-Israeli conflict, the Syrian leadership, led by President Hafez Assad, arrived in Moscow and asked for the introduction of Soviet troops into Syria.

As a result, the two anti-aircraft missile regiments of the C-200B in January 1983 turned into combat order "and began to fulfill the combat task of protecting and defending the air lines of the SAR," controlling the territory of Syria, Lebanon, Turkey, Israel, Jordan and the Mediterranean.

It is noted that from January 1983 to October 1984 "the regiments took an active part in repelling and countering aggression aviation Israel and the United States on the troops of the Armed Forces of the SAR. "

At the same time, dozens of soldiers and officers were awarded orders and medals. In the USSR, their regiments were disbanded, and in their personal files they recorded “I served in the Moscow District of the Air Defense Force”. The rest of the documents are classified.

Now, veterans are demanding changes to Section III of the “List of States, Cities, Territories and Periods of Warfare with the Participation of Citizens of the Russian Federation” of the Federal Law “On Veterans”, introducing into it military operations in Syria and Lebanon, recognizing the military as participants in the fighting in Syria and Lebanon, and accordingly - the soldiers-internationalists with the issuance of certificates and record in personal files. After that, they believe, it is necessary “to recount the length of service to retirement for officers, warrant officers and midshipmen, one month of service for three months”.

This is the second appeal to the president - the first was sent in the spring of 2016, writes "The View"
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  1. Imh
    Imh 20 February 2018 17: 24
    +16
    In general, these comrades did not officially fight there in Syria in the 70-80s. They were advisers. The result is either Putin to recognize the aggression of the USSR against Israel, or to send off the converts. It seems to me that Vladimir Putin will choose the second.
    1. oldseaman1957
      oldseaman1957 20 February 2018 17: 27
      +36
      Quote: IMH
      The result is either Putin to recognize the aggression of the USSR against Israel, or to send off those who appeal
      Recognize! Israel, too, was digging in the lint, and to Jewish comrades - on the drum! Stop sprinkling ash on ashes!
      1. Imh
        Imh 20 February 2018 17: 29
        +6
        Well, you can admit ... Then it turns out that the USSR calling them advisers brazenly lied?
        1. 210ox
          210ox 20 February 2018 17: 34
          +38
          And who in this gaddy world is telling the truth? Especially in politics. And even more so, protecting the interests of the motherland is the TRUTH ..
          Quote: IMH
          Well, you can admit ... Then it turns out that the USSR calling them advisers brazenly lied?
          1. Imh
            Imh 20 February 2018 17: 36
            +15
            The defense of King Assad Sr. / Junior, and the defense of the Homeland, are not at all the same thing.
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 20 February 2018 17: 42
              +17
              Quote: IMH
              In general, these comrades, that in Syria in the 70-80 years they did not officially fight there. They were advisers.
              In fact, 1984-35 years have already passed since 36, and the USSR has not existed since 1991, too! Probably, it would be possible for the Soviet government to meet the warriors-internationalists of the Soviet times! The title of "warrior-internationalist" in fact they deserved for the good of their country - their homeland!
              1. Imh
                Imh 20 February 2018 17: 51
                +7
                What is the good of the Fatherland?
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 20 February 2018 18: 54
                  +12
                  Imh
                  What is the good of the Fatherland?

                  The Soviet Union played a significant role in the Arab-Israeli conflict, starting with supporting the creation of Israel and in the Arab-Israeli war of 1947 — 1949, the subsequent change of position, up to the final break of diplomatic relations from the USSR after the Six-Day War (1967), and military political support for the enemies of Israel during the Cold War, starting in the second half of the 1950.
                  Diplomatic relations between the countries were restored only in October 1991 of the year, when the Soviet era was actually over.

                  It is important to bear in mind that the official Soviet ideology condemned the movement of world Zionism as a kind of bourgeois nationalism. Lenin saw in Zionism one of the manifestations of "bourgeois or petty-bourgeois nationalism, opposing proletarian internationalism and preaching class peace between the workers and capitalists of the same nationality." In the article “Mobilization of the reactionary forces and our tasks” (1903), Lenin declared that “the Zionist movement directly threatens the development of the class organization of the proletariat more than anti-Semitism, and since for us, the Social Democrats, there are no“ elected ”and“ non-elected “nations, we can’t give up on the task of fighting the“ prejudices of the Jewish masses ”.”

                  In particular, historically “the prejudices of the Jewish masses,” as Lenin put it, rested on the status of Jerusalem in the 1948 year, i.e. rested upon the proclamation, determination and recognition by all parties to this act of the borders of the independent state of Israel. Namely.

                  In November, the UN General Assembly considered 1949 a plan to turn Jerusalem into an international zone. Israel categorically rejected this plan, as if it did not take into account the demographic situation, the place of Jerusalem in the historical consciousness of the Jewish people and the desire of the Jewish majority in Jerusalem to be an integral part of the State of Israel.
                  Israel demanded to recognize Jerusalem as its capital. Due to the aggravation of the Israelis with the Arab world even before this - due to the aggressive policy of the Israeli Zionists in the region against the Arabs - the UN General Assembly, by a majority vote, taking into account the exacerbated situation in the region, decided to continue consideration of the internationalization plan for the city of Jerusalem.

                  And now we see that the state of Israel is pursuing its underbelly aggressive policy — proxy war — on BV against Arab states in alliance with Washington with an eye against Russia.
                  1. madsollo
                    madsollo 20 February 2018 19: 39
                    +1
                    In general, the idea is understandable and supportive, although I would like to concretize and finalize somehow, to arrange not only the factual presentation.
                    PS Respect, that's it. :)
                  2. misti1973
                    misti1973 21 February 2018 16: 42
                    +1
                    All Zionism existed before they returned to their lands. And then they defended the interests of their state. And this is understandable and natural! And what is there that defended the USSR is not clear. Israel does not wage an undercover struggle against Russia. And with the United States their interests are in contact only within the framework of security in BV. Lenin is a famous demagogue! He only aggravated the mess in the world! You never know what he wrote.
                2. Stiletto_711
                  Stiletto_711 20 February 2018 20: 25
                  +5
                  Quote: IMH
                  What is the good of the Fatherland?

                  Judging by the flag next to your nickname, the good of the Fatherland is for you a clean collective American task laughing
              2. Imh
                Imh 20 February 2018 17: 53
                +13
                Let’s compare the veteran of the Great Patriotic War that he fought with the Germans and went to Berlin and the “adviser”, that the tsar of the local went to Syria to defend the currency ... Doesn’t it seem to you that clearly the second of the two of them defended their homeland?
                1. You Vlad
                  You Vlad 20 February 2018 18: 03
                  +26
                  Quote: IMH
                  Don't you think that of the two of them, clearly not the second defended their homeland?

                  Do you think that’s when the United States deployed nuclear weapons in Turkey, and we, in response to Cuba, did we defend our homeland there or not?
                  1. Imh
                    Imh 20 February 2018 18: 06
                    +3
                    This is more like defending the homeland - you're right.
                    1. You Vlad
                      You Vlad 20 February 2018 18: 10
                      +13
                      Quote: IMH
                      This is more like defending the homeland - you're right.

                      So Syria is about the same as Turkey in those days, we need to protect Russia so that we control the Mediterranean Sea!
                      1. Imh
                        Imh 20 February 2018 18: 11
                        +6
                        Different things
                      2. misti1973
                        misti1973 21 February 2018 16: 57
                        0
                        Russia is only present there, there is no talk of any control! The forces are not comparable. The base in Latakia will be destroyed very quickly in the event of a conflict. It is better to control it with nuclear submarines.
                    2. You Vlad
                      You Vlad 20 February 2018 18: 24
                      +11
                      Quote: IMH
                      Different things

                      Well, read what smart people think on this topic:
                      Stanislav Nick Asket.
                      I've been here a long time ago ... so your colleagues in 2014. literally unanimously considered how many Assad remained months. days. week .. I told them Russia did not give Syria - they did not believe, the same numerous Ukrainian patriots who before the coup had a comparable number with the Israelis back in 2012 warned that Crimea would be ours- did not believe. And this is just a geostrategy, to protect Russia from a massive disarming strike from the waters of the Black and Mediterranean Seas in the south. We already control the Black Sea in this regard, now the Eastern Mediterranean. it remains only for complete control to have a base in Libya and whether in Egypt and voila and no Berks and Nimits are afraid of us in terms of air attack weapons and SLCMs ... Well, we are from the Caspian Sea, not in a hurry. with feeling, plainly, arrangement. .. The northern direction remained to be strengthened and then no disarming and sudden strikes by air and sea-based means would be possible.
                      Well, Assad in Damascus had reliable videos of that period.
                      1. misti1973
                        misti1973 21 February 2018 17: 06
                        0
                        Do you think the United States cannot just navigate the fleet into the Black Sea? Yes, they can just shy away from submarines! It’s safer and you don’t need to maintain a base. They squeezed Crimea out, because the Black Sea Fleet could remain “without a residence permit”.
                2. demo
                  demo 20 February 2018 18: 26
                  +13
                  For your information in the Great Patriotic War, there were several "types" of activity that led to victory.
                  1. A soldier who took part in the armed struggle as part of officially existing military units, starting from a company and ending with fronts.
                  They had experience, they were accrued wages, in the weaker of their deaths the family received benefits, etc.
                  2. Workers of the rear.
                  They also went s / n. But otherwise they were less rewarded than the participants in the hostilities. Well, that’s right.
                  3. Partisan units. They had nothing. In addition to thirst, kill your enemies. They did not have experience (a year for three). They did not accrue salaries. After the war, the guys from Smersh and GB shocked them so that many gave their soul to God.
                  Well, the question is backfill. Which of the above chased money for money, and who, at the behest of conscience and soul, went to war?

                  Have you served in the sun?
                  If not, I will say the following.
                  A soldier takes the oath. This is a document that obliges you to obey orders. Not fulfilling the order - there is a violation of the Oath. Provides for criminal prosecution.
                  What would the Soviet government do with its soldiers if they refused to take the Oath?
                  Siberia is the mildest punishment.

                  By the way.
                  Today I watched a program about the Semenovsky regiment (chief - Peter the Great).
                  So for violations of discipline during the time of Nicholas I, the entire regiment buzzed in the Peter and Paul Fortress.
                  All!
                  There was no violation of the Oath. Just people thought that you can serve not in a uniform, but in a tailcoat.
                  And the soldiers went in for crafts and earned money.
                  They shared with their father-commander.

                  I don’t remember, but it seems that about twenty officers were sent to the areas of Irkutsk, Barnaul, Badaybo, etc.
                  So it is necessary to provoke skillfully. Illiterate provocations do not work.
                  Is Adieu a Russified adieu? Or, a Dieu vos comant - I entrust you to the Lord.
                  1. Zoldat_A
                    Zoldat_A 20 February 2018 18: 48
                    +18
                    Quote: demo
                    So it is necessary to provoke skillfully. Illiterate provocations do not work.
                    Is Adieu a Russified adieu? Or, a Dieu vos comant - I entrust you to the Lord.

                    Why is everything here generally connected with this IMH troll? Touched - it stinks on every occasion and for no reason ... Did not notice? Anyhow, to him - if only to argue with everyone at the same time ... Drool over ... The French flag is the one chosen by God. Who here, in VO, does not know how to argue with them? You can’t argue them like a radio ...
                    1. evgeny68
                      evgeny68 24 February 2018 13: 42
                      +1
                      My grandmother called such govnospory.
                      1. Zoldat_A
                        Zoldat_A 24 February 2018 18: 58
                        +4
                        Quote: evgeny68
                        My grandmother called such govnospory.
                        [B] [/ b] good drinks
                        A definite plus for you and your grandmother - a smart woman, in all respects, was ....
                3. CooL_SnipeR
                  CooL_SnipeR 20 February 2018 19: 35
                  +6
                  What have you made ... king and king ... for him the army and they are fighting, then everything suits. And Assad’s family is not stupid, since it rules the country. And he, too, with a high bell tower, that the states are not satisfied. And they do not need Assad, but oil. If oil is not produced with crap, this is apparently bad oil.
                  And we are not protecting the petty king there, but defending our interests, i.e. everyone there for the interests of the motherland. What do we need American bases in Syria? Pro-American puppets? We are in Poland, etc. also fought in the Patriotic War, although it was a foreign land.
                  And what did the advisers not please you? If a person succeeds, why not give him a job? Or will programmers and accountants do this job better?
                  1. misti1973
                    misti1973 21 February 2018 17: 27
                    0
                    He’s so “not stupid” that he almost pissed off the country! ISIS settled there so easily because nobody really wanted to Assad. There was a civil war there, and Assad was slaughtered by opposition groups. The people just do not like the uprising! And he the owner of this land and those living on it. So, a bad leader! Yes, and how can a dictator be a good leader if all means are aimed at retaining power at all costs?
                4. madsollo
                  madsollo 20 February 2018 19: 41
                  +1
                  Please separate in your head the grains from the chaff and do not mix vodka with kefir anymore! (figuratively speaking)
                5. Chelovekprosto
                  Chelovekprosto 20 February 2018 20: 32
                  +2
                  From afar is the history of ichtamnet
                6. Yasen Ping
                  Yasen Ping 20 February 2018 21: 12
                  0
                  Whose country are you defending? imehe?
                  1. Imh
                    Imh 20 February 2018 21: 16
                    +3
                    His own. Whose else?
              3. Kent0001
                Kent0001 20 February 2018 18: 49
                +3
                Then assign the title of “warrior-internationalist” on special lists and with the stamp, without deciphering the locations of operations from Angola to Syria, etc.
              4. kapitan92
                kapitan92 20 February 2018 19: 16
                +6
                Quote: Tatiana
                In fact, it’s been 1984-35 years since 36, and the USSR has not existed since 1991 since 27!

                Why is this question being raised now? After all, we can consider it as someone’s competently planned provocation on the eve of the election.

                Quote: Tatiana
                It would be possible for the government of the Russian Federation to meet the soldiers-internationalists of Soviet times!

                And how many of these "warriors"? How many of them took part in combat? Why not count ours who participated in the conflicts, starting with Korea!
                How much does a “cropped” defense budget cost?
                Too many questions arise!
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 20 February 2018 19: 40
                  +5
                  kapitan92
                  How much does a “cropped” defense budget cost?
                  Too many questions arise!

                  Well, if in the Russian Federation to continue the policies of Kudrin, Siluanov and Nabiulina and the like in line with the IMF recommendations for the Russian government, the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation and its Central Bank, then they - Soviet soldiers-internationalists - really, in satisfaction of their request, surely, unfortunately, nothing is shining!
                  1. kapitan92
                    kapitan92 20 February 2018 19: 57
                    +6
                    Quote: Tatiana
                    Well, if in the Russian Federation to continue the policies of Kudrin, Siluanov and Nabiulina and the like in line with the IMF recommendations for the Russian government, the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation and its Central Bank, then they - Soviet soldiers-internationalists - really, in satisfaction of their request, surely, unfortunately, nothing shines

                    The appeal was sent on behalf of veterans of 220 and 231 anti-aircraft missile regiments, ground and airborne electronic warfare, the communications center "waterfall", the 5th Black Sea squadron and 4 squadron of the submarine fleet of the Navy

                    And they should "shine" for what? Which of the above formations participated in the hostilities?
                    And where does the "Kudrins" and all of the gang you have listed here are brethren?
                    Subject thrown before the election. hi
                    1. Svarog51
                      Svarog51 20 February 2018 21: 05
                      +2
                      Vyacheslav, welcome hi Here the key is participation in the database, and before the election or after - what's the difference? I also served abroad, but I didn’t take part in the database - so I don’t excite. But if people were there and took part in the database (fought) - so the decision is better to take BEFORE the election, although, by and large, something else is important to them. It is up to the President to decide.
                      1. kapitan92
                        kapitan92 20 February 2018 21: 53
                        +4
                        Sergey, welcome! Do you understand what’s the matter, my friend, the main thing is to choose a moment for appeal. Why did I say that it smacks of provocation before the election, the President decides, this is understandable. Refuses - restores against itself a certain readership among veterans, including. Accept - questions will arise from the "other" part of the readership. Are the combatants in Vietnam, Korea, Angola and other countries not worthy of the benefits, ext. cash allowance, etc.
                        You're right, the key here is to participate in the database, but it takes time to create a list of participants, and then, if the participant has died, does his family have the right to apply for benefits and payments.
                        And then, where to get the dibs?
                        There are a lot of questions. (IMHO) hi
                    2. Svarog51
                      Svarog51 20 February 2018 22: 10
                      +2
                      Let him start thinking, this problem still needs to be solved. Especially in modern realities you can’t get rid of it. People lived before the elections and will live after them. When the order came to be executed, they were not thinking about the elections, but that the Homeland would not forget them. So let him remember.
                      1. kapitan92
                        kapitan92 20 February 2018 22: 13
                        +4
                        Quote: Svarog51
                        the problem must be solved anyway.

                        I agree, but not as always with us, through one place. hi
                    3. Svarog51
                      Svarog51 20 February 2018 22: 15
                      +1
                      Well, let's hope that not through the opu. good
                2. Chester
                  Chester 6 March 2018 00: 22
                  0
                  Not just now. To begin with, everyone signed up to keep this secret for 25 years. Secondly, “SHS” has existed for more than 5 years and this is not the only appeal.
                  Thirdly, in the first place is, nevertheless, the issue of recognition.
                  And you will be surprised how much (and taking into account money and benefits) this will cost the state. By the way, in other former republics, our fellow soldiers were recognized as such.
            2. Loess
              Loess 20 February 2018 17: 45
              +4
              The same thing or not is not for you to decide. Especially if the homeland has its own interests in the region.
              Quote: IMH
              The defense of King Assad Sr. / Junior, and the defense of the Homeland, are not at all the same thing.
              1. Imh
                Imh 20 February 2018 17: 57
                +2
                How is it not for me to decide? The fact of the matter is that everyone has the right to have an opinion.
                1. Loess
                  Loess 20 February 2018 18: 02
                  +3
                  Is that your opinion? And let me clarify which state you mean by the word Homeland?
                  1. Imh
                    Imh 20 February 2018 18: 07
                    +5
                    I mean my state. He served in Israel, gave an oath and performed it 100%.
                    1. Loess
                      Loess 20 February 2018 18: 14
                      +10
                      Then of course the defense of your homeland and the protection of Assad are not the same thing. And for my homeland, protecting interests on distant approaches is in the order of things. And Assad has nothing to do with it, we need peace and stability in Syria in particular and in the Middle East region as a whole, and peace will be there. Like it or not.
                      1. Imh
                        Imh 20 February 2018 18: 20
                        +4
                        And for you, Homeland = Assad, Assad = Homeland? Strange things you say.
                    2. Svarog51
                      Svarog51 20 February 2018 21: 13
                      +2
                      gave atчI gu

                      Even here, like crossed fingers at a promise. They told you
                      Assad has nothing to do with it, we need peace and stability in Syria

                      You perverted it into such a form
                      And for you, Homeland = Assad, Assad = Homeland?
                      Are you ready to defend your state anywhere, but refuse this to others?
                      He served in Israel, gave an oath and performed it 100%.
                      If the state of Israel sent you to Lebanon or to the islands of the Umba-Yumba tribe to protect your interests - would you refuse? And if not, and you obeyed the order, but the state did not recognize it, then how?
                      1. Imh
                        Imh 20 February 2018 23: 39
                        +1
                        Yes, but in Israel there are no “ichtamnets”
                    3. Svarog51
                      Svarog51 21 February 2018 06: 29
                      +1
                      But what about the groups that tracked the Nazis around the world?
                2. Kent0001
                  Kent0001 20 February 2018 18: 49
                  0
                  It's good that it is only yours.
            3. Kondratko
              Kondratko 20 February 2018 18: 07
              +5
              And who, besides "you", says that Russia defends the "king" in Syria? We have other interests there.
              What kind of land will you be a resident? Your arab hate and attempts to mock Russia give you a head on how you can love / endure your brother after such things (?), You’re looking for enemies on every corner ... Have you entered the fun area? You either return the flag back (which is next to the nickname) or put on your underpants.
              hi
              1. Imh
                Imh 20 February 2018 18: 13
                +3
                No no! I do not want to mock Russia. I was born and raised in Russia. Why mock? Or if my opinion does not coincide with yours, then I mock?
                1. Kent0001
                  Kent0001 20 February 2018 18: 50
                  +3
                  And you are not a trololo, my friend, you are conducting a very subtle conversation ... but in the way you need ...?
                  1. Imh
                    Imh 20 February 2018 21: 17
                    +1
                    You got me through.
              2. Imh
                Imh 20 February 2018 20: 40
                +1
                I have some kind of problem - turn on wifi, checkboxes overseas, turn off wifi, everything is ok
                1. Svarog51
                  Svarog51 20 February 2018 21: 16
                  0
                  Your router is a French spy. Keep in mind. wink
                  1. Imh
                    Imh 20 February 2018 22: 45
                    +1
                    I will consider. Thank.
            4. Krasnoyarsk
              Krasnoyarsk 20 February 2018 19: 04
              0
              Quote: IMH
              The defense of King Assad Sr. / Junior, and the defense of the Homeland, are not at all the same thing.

              And who told you that we are protecting Assad? We protect the person who, the only one, guarantees us the legal presence of our two bases on its territory. Or do you know another person who gives the same guarantees?
              1. Imh
                Imh 20 February 2018 20: 41
                +1
                Assad gives a guarantee? This is something new. Papa Bashar gave guarantees as easily as he took. Russians, don't let the Arabs fool yourself!
                1. Krasnoyarsk
                  Krasnoyarsk 20 February 2018 20: 47
                  0
                  Quote: IMH
                  Assad gives a guarantee? This is something new. Papa Bashar gave guarantees as easily as he took. Russians, don't let the Arabs fool yourself!

                  But the bases really exist. And they have someone like an awl in the ass, right?
                  1. Imh
                    Imh 20 February 2018 21: 18
                    +4
                    This is temporary. Assad will do better, and he will take the guarantee. This is the east.
                    1. SOF
                      SOF 21 February 2018 06: 49
                      +1
                      Quote: IMH
                      It's east

                      ... and where did you get the idea that someone should listen to your words? Are you not from the east, which is "This is the east" .....
                2. Svarog51
                  Svarog51 20 February 2018 21: 18
                  +1
                  If you were born and raised in Russia, and then went to Israel, then where
                  Russians, don't let the Arabs fool yourself!
                  such a concern? Or have interests changed?
                3. hhhhhhh
                  hhhhhhh 21 February 2018 10: 23
                  0
                  Quote: IMH
                  Russians, don't let the Arabs fool yourself!

                  Let the Russians fool the Israelis.))))
                  Who will protect Israel when US debt is 200 trillion and will no longer grow?
            5. anykin
              anykin 26 February 2018 11: 23
              0
              Quote: IMH
              The defense of King Assad Sr. / Junior, and the defense of the Homeland, are not at all the same thing.

              Is ISIL nicer to our homeland? Are you crazy?
          2. Skif83
            Skif83 21 February 2018 09: 48
            +1
            The question is different, if they are recognized (and my opinion is that of everyone), where can I get the money for payments? After all, it comes down to this, and not some mythical question about advisers or "non-advisers." They (the government of DAM) cannot pay the already assigned pensions in full, but why talk about new payments? For example, Miller can get a salary of 2,2 million rubles per day, Sechin - 4,5 million rubles a day, they can, and heaps of bureaucrats can, but to military pensioners ... why the hell? Pay less - die sooner ... Such is their calculation!
        2. gurzuf
          gurzuf 20 February 2018 18: 35
          0
          And what's so surprising? World practice.
        3. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 20 February 2018 21: 19
          +1
          Quote: IMH
          Well, you can admit ... Then it turns out that the USSR calling them advisers brazenly lied?
          Are there few who ever participated and when? Much is secret both with us and with us. Just against the background of what is happening, why not remove the veil of secrecy. In my opinion - JUST.
      2. Imh
        Imh 20 February 2018 17: 30
        +3
        And again about Israel. Funny and wonderful.
        1. hrych
          hrych 20 February 2018 17: 54
          +9
          Quote: IMH
          recognize the aggression of the USSR against Israel

          There can be no aggression against illegal government education. For Israel can only be recognized together with the Palestinian Arab state, for the partition of Palestine by UN General Assembly resolution No. 181 clearly states. If the resolution is not implemented, then all that is enclosed there is an illegal Jewish settlement subject to demolition. Trump legal field, it will not work. But Jerusalem and Bethlehem in general should have the status of free international territories. If in the near future the Palestinian Arab state is not created, then Israel will be subject to liquidation. A replacement airfield for the evacuation of Israelis is being prepared in Patagonia, the second version of the Wild Field land in Ukraine, but very risky ...
          1. Imh
            Imh 20 February 2018 17: 57
            +2
            But the USSR / Russia is recognized by Israel. How to deal with this?
            1. hrych
              hrych 20 February 2018 18: 06
              +8
              This is illegal, all these agreements, the exchange of embassies, etc. any court in Muhosgan always declares illegal and they are easily canceled. Everyone understands this, but they continue the game. The Arab spring was conceived to delay this decision, as well as a promising strike on Iran. Obama (or rather who was behind him) tried to legalize and create an Arab state, but did not have time. Now there is an intra-American squabble, Egypt has survived, the SA has carried out a coup from above, in Syria everyone is stuck, Kurdistan has failed. Everything is now time to solve the problem of Israel and there is nowhere to go. Turkey, Iran, Egypt, CA, Pakistan and Indonesia insist on solving the problem, plus the failure of the shale revolution, which put the United States (or rather, the entire World Order with the economic system) into a dead end ...
              1. Imh
                Imh 20 February 2018 18: 15
                +4
                And how did the Illuminati take part in this? - I’m just asking for general information, for completeness, so to speak.
                1. hrych
                  hrych 20 February 2018 18: 20
                  +8
                  Illuminati lost relevance. They had it when they were secret and shook religious institutions and the imperial autocratic system. Now they are legal and dissolved in the establishment ...
      3. Svarog
        Svarog 20 February 2018 17: 48
        +3
        Quote: oldseaman1957
        Quote: IMH
        The result is either Putin to recognize the aggression of the USSR against Israel, or to send off those who appeal
        Recognize! Israel, too, was digging in the lint, and to Jewish comrades - on the drum! Stop sprinkling ash on ashes!

        Of course you need to admit, but why shout about it to the whole world ..
        1. You Vlad
          You Vlad 20 February 2018 18: 06
          +1
          Quote: Svarog
          Of course you need to admit, but why shout about it to the whole world ..

          That's because a person you are multifaceted recourse What do you recognize that decided?
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 20 February 2018 18: 23
            +3
            Quote: you Vlad
            Quote: Svarog
            Of course you need to admit, but why shout about it to the whole world ..

            That's because a person you are multifaceted recourse What do you recognize that decided?

            Our soldiers wars-internationalists .. What is the versatility?
            1. You Vlad
              You Vlad 20 February 2018 18: 32
              0
              Quote: Svarog
              Our soldiers wars-internationalists .. What is the versatility?

              So fluff on the Israeli face, we do not recognize?
              1. Svarog
                Svarog 20 February 2018 19: 22
                +3
                Quote: you Vlad
                Quote: Svarog
                Our soldiers wars-internationalists .. What is the versatility?

                So fluff on the Israeli face, we do not recognize?

                Why? Are there any strange questions you have?)) The soldiers fought, albeit not officially, it means you need to recognize them as internationalist wars, but you don’t have to shout about it to the whole world .. And Israel, or any other country, should not influence it at all, why look back at someone?
      4. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 20 February 2018 18: 01
        +8
        Quote: oldseaman1957
        Recognize! Israel, too, was digging in the lint, and to Jewish comrades - on the drum! Stop sprinkling ash on ashes!

        It is high time for the state for which these soldiers risked their lives to appreciate this.
        1. XXXIII
          XXXIII 20 February 2018 18: 46
          +4
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          It is high time for the state for which these soldiers risked their lives to appreciate this.
          yes
          What time it was, we are them, they are us, but not everyone has become heroes, it's a pity (not a participant in those events). It is necessary to fulfill the will of a soldier who represents his country and stands to protect the rights of his state in other regions .... good
          ps I would have signed and did not ask, history has already identified them, they are soldiers of their homeland.
        2. madsollo
          madsollo 20 February 2018 19: 44
          +2
          Thank you for your sanity denounced in words! ("I hear a speech not of a boy, but of a husband (from the word" man "of course!)")
      5. Nikolay Fedorov
        Nikolay Fedorov 20 February 2018 18: 24
        +4
        Quote: oldseaman1957
        Quote: IMH
        The result is either Putin to recognize the aggression of the USSR against Israel, or to send off those who appeal
        Recognize! Israel, too, was digging in the lint, and to Jewish comrades - on the drum! Stop sprinkling ash on ashes!

        Why - admit ?! Again, admit something, blame, repent ?! The USSR did not commit any aggression against Israel, but only at the request of the legitimate government of a sovereign state, Syria introduced air defense forces into Syria - purely DEFENSE troops that helped the Syrian government repel Israeli aggression.
        And do not be fooled by the provocations of this rabid Russophobe. For him, the best music in the world is the mourning march at the funeral of Russia. All his comments, all his thoughts come exclusively from this.
        1. Imh
          Imh 20 February 2018 23: 40
          +1
          Then why are they "ichtamnet"?
          1. vasya.pupkin
            vasya.pupkin 21 February 2018 13: 52
            +1
            Quote: IMH
            Then why are they "ichtamnet"?

            You change your shoes so fast that you don’t have time / "we are Pskov .." /.
            Decide on the flag.
    2. Herculesic
      Herculesic 20 February 2018 17: 28
      +4
      Maybe we can at least solve this issue without your decrees or advice ourselves? This is our internal affair! am
      1. Imh
        Imh 20 February 2018 17: 31
        +9
        Yes, you can do it yourself, I do not mind, but here the forum and everyone is free to express their opinion, which I do.
        1. 79807420129
          79807420129 20 February 2018 17: 44
          +6
          Quote: IMH
          Yes, you can do it yourself, I do not mind, but here the forum and everyone is free to express their opinion, which I do.

          Well, man is a nice forum here, everyone is free to express their opinion
          Quote: IMH
          again about Israel. Funny and wonderful.

          So we express our opinion too. yes
          1. Svarog51
            Svarog51 20 February 2018 21: 22
            +2
            Volodya, welcome hi It seems "Rabinovich" reincarnated, what do you think? The rhetoric is painfully similar. wink
    3. Herculesic
      Herculesic 20 February 2018 17: 37
      +10
      IMH, if you would continue to live in Russia, or where are you from, what song would you sing now? I look at the site emigrants from ukroiny hiding under the flag of Israel painfully actively pouring water on Russia with shit, while also brazenly distorting historical facts for the sake of their lies! And those Jews on the site who left even the USSR, or were already born in Israel, are much more adequate than those who a few months ago rode with stupid chants to the ukroine, and now they are building a lot of themselves under the star of David! We decide how to deal with our history! Personally, for YOU, she’s already someone else’s story!
      1. Vladimir 5
        Vladimir 5 20 February 2018 17: 49
        +2
        Taki Kolomoyshi, Roitmans with Turchinovs and other valtsmans with gizelles are sitting on an Israeli chair, and Ukraine is just a flock of goyim who are mercilessly sheared ... So the Israeli flag is the same ...
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    5. ASG7
      ASG7 20 February 2018 17: 43
      +2
      Don’t worry, you’ll bring in and they will not ask you. And you will look for evidence of something there yourself. Putin organized the revolution of 1917, and the USSR collapsed.
    6. engineer74
      engineer74 20 February 2018 17: 59
      +8
      Quote: IMH
      In general, these comrades did not officially fight there in Syria in the 70-80s. They were advisers. The result is either Putin to recognize the aggression of the USSR against Israel, or to send off the converts. It seems to me that Vladimir Putin will choose the second.

      My relatives at that time were in Syria, people are absolutely peaceful - hydro-engineers! And our air defense defended the citizens of the USSR! And about the aggressiveness of the air defense - to you in Kiev!
      And by the way, many thanks to the anti-aircraft gunners!
    7. Vlad.by
      Vlad.by 20 February 2018 18: 00
      +4
      What aggression is it - to put defensive weapons on Syrian territory ...
      I will look, you and the launch of rockets by the Israelis on the Syrian sites in Syria also called aggression? And already shot down in the process of F-16, finally - blatant aggression?
    8. demo
      demo 20 February 2018 18: 09
      +3
      As a result, the two anti-aircraft missile regiments of the C-200B in January 1983 turned into combat order "and began to fulfill the combat task of protecting and defending the air lines of the SAR," controlling the territory of Syria, Lebanon, Turkey, Israel, Jordan and the Mediterranean.

      I don’t know how much you understood what is written.
      Air defense, by definition, cannot be an offensive type of aircraft.
      Absurdities will not be taken into account.
      So why did our Soviet troops guard the sky from the penetration of foreign and aggressive means of attack (aviation and missile forces) suddenly become aggressors?
      Moreover, they arrived in Syria on the basis of an intergovernmental agreement between the USSR and the Syrian Arab Republic.
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    10. garnik
      garnik 20 February 2018 19: 48
      +1
      https://burckina-faso.livejournal.com/1203512.htm
      l
      Read a very interesting article.
      And who is the aggressor?
    11. Maz
      Maz 20 February 2018 20: 25
      +1
      I wonder how this word aggression is compared with the decoding of the reduction of air defense counter air defense? The word "defense" has become synonymous with the word "aggression against Israel"? Or does the word “connection” somehow interact in associations with an attack or attack, the seizure of a foreign territory, annexation? Where does it come from?
    12. kig
      kig 21 February 2018 14: 43
      0
      Quote: IMH
      or Putin to recognize the aggression of the USSR against Israel

      You, comrade, are confusing something. Parts were rocket, but anti-aircraft. That is defensive by definition. What kind of aggression?
      Aggression is the concept of modern international law that covers any use of force by one state against the territorial integrity or political independence of another state, which is illegal from the point of view of the UN Charter.
  2. Imh
    Imh 20 February 2018 17: 27
    +7
    And by the way, if you recall the Israeli operation Medvedka-19, then if there were air defense of the USSR, then it becomes scary for the state of air defense of the USSR / modern Russia.
    1. AntiFREEZ
      AntiFREEZ 20 February 2018 17: 35
      +2
      Quote: IMH
      it becomes scary for the state of air defense of the USSR / modern Russia.

      I think the lesson was taken into account. Do not be afraid for the state of our air defense.
      1. Imh
        Imh 20 February 2018 17: 58
        +2
        If taken into account, then good.
    2. 210ox
      210ox 20 February 2018 17: 36
      +6
      Why should you be afraid? Our air defense does not protect you.
      Quote: IMH
      And by the way, if you recall the Israeli operation Medvedka-19, then if there were air defense of the USSR, then it becomes scary for the state of air defense of the USSR / modern Russia.
      1. Imh
        Imh 20 February 2018 17: 59
        +1
        And it’s good that my air defense is protecting me.
      2. madsollo
        madsollo 20 February 2018 19: 47
        +2
        It sounds like a wish, regret ... ambiguous ... :) hgyyy
    3. Chester
      Chester 5 March 2018 23: 48
      0
      It was precisely after it that the described events were. As history has shown, the desire to check someone else's airspace "for strength" was repelled by almost 30 years.
  3. Herculesic
    Herculesic 20 February 2018 17: 30
    +3
    I can only say one thing, they deserve it! soldier The time has come to speak the truth about those events and their participants! Young people need to be educated on their examples!
    1. Imh
      Imh 20 February 2018 17: 32
      +5
      And in what their example, we went to another war, endured the hardships and deprivations of the military whim of the Middle Eastern king. What is it for Russian officers? Not for that, they studied.
      1. Wolka
        Wolka 20 February 2018 17: 42
        +7
        Listen, commander, why are you so worried about Russian officers, you worry about your godfather, and who and why learned to die is not your concern
        1. Imh
          Imh 20 February 2018 17: 55
          +2
          I don’t worry about Russian officers, just the topic of this thread concerns them, I’m talking about them.
        2. madsollo
          madsollo 20 February 2018 19: 51
          +1
          please do not stoop to rudeness! So it turns out that “I don’t want a different opinion,” though: “IMH] And what is their example, they went to another’s war, endured hardships and hardships on the military whim of the Middle Eastern tsar. For what are these Russian officers? Not for this they studied . " not only I don’t support it, but I would also cut my neck for such words!
          1. Imh
            Imh 20 February 2018 20: 44
            +1
            And what do you disagree with? Somewhere in my words is not it?
      2. Herculesic
        Herculesic 20 February 2018 17: 48
        +3
        IMH - do you care what? Your friends all over the world wage wars and do not worry, is it legal or not! Why are you getting into our story? You are not told how and what to do, and you will be an extras, silently stand aside, and also look in silence!
        1. Imh
          Imh 20 February 2018 17: 55
          +3
          You did not answer my question.
          1. Herculesic
            Herculesic 20 February 2018 18: 21
            +2
            I see no reason, because you are on the site only to write nasty things about Russia! I read your comments, there is so much bile to my Russia that everything is clear! I do not want to break into rudeness!
            1. Imh
              Imh 20 February 2018 18: 33
              +3
              Russia is not only yours, but mine too. What is the breakdown? There is no bile. Maybe you can not hear an alternative opinion?
              1. madsollo
                madsollo 20 February 2018 19: 56
                +1
                Since the thoughts that you respect IMH, express, are more like (with little correction) on constantly thrown blanks, and smearing the essence of the conversation around the edges of the "plate"
              2. SOF
                SOF 21 February 2018 07: 01
                +2
                Quote: IMH
                Russia is not only yours, but mine

                ... do mercy - do not make us bitterly regret the possibility of dual citizenship in the Russian Federation, because what you carry has the same relevance to an alternative opinion as a sledgehammer to microelectronics.
      3. Chester
        Chester 5 March 2018 23: 54
        0
        For “experts” I remind you that the hardships and deprivations of military service are not “put up with at the whim of the tsar”, but are steadfastly transferred in accordance with the Charter. And once again we read the article - there were not only officers, but also soldiers of military service. Neither one nor the other under the department of "military advisers" passed.
  4. Gardamir
    Gardamir 20 February 2018 17: 31
    0
    Another way to legitimize PMCs.
    1. Lieutenant Captain
      Lieutenant Captain 20 February 2018 17: 33
      +2
      Well, how not to legalize? cool times await us.
      1. Wolka
        Wolka 20 February 2018 17: 46
        +3
        everything will be done for colleagues, the development of the relevant legislation is already underway, but it must be understood that it is not done in one day, the issue under consideration is very difficult, the mistakes are distorted human lives ...
    2. AntiFREEZ
      AntiFREEZ 20 February 2018 17: 37
      0
      Quote: Gardamir
      Another way to legitimize PMCs.

      Excuse me, what are you talking about? How is the legalization of PMCs and the recognition by veterans of participants in those long-standing events? what
      1. Wolka
        Wolka 20 February 2018 18: 03
        +1
        in fact, Russia’s colleague is the only legal successor of the USSR ... and as for PMCs, they actually existed and have existed in our country for a long time, but the legislation in this area is practically not developed, recent events in the world show that it is urgent to solve this the question is radically ...
        1. Lieutenant Captain
          Lieutenant Captain 20 February 2018 18: 18
          +2
          Quote: Volka
          in fact, Russia’s colleague is the only legal successor of the USSR ...

          So what?
          Quote: Volka
          as for PMCs, they actually existed and have existed in our country for a long time

          In CA, too, they received all the pay, so I am 28 rubles.
          There has never been a chavek in the USSR, it was in the Cheka, but there was no chavek, much less affiliated with the "cooks".
          1. Wolka
            Wolka 20 February 2018 18: 31
            0
            I apologize for the possible offense, but you are a colleague, apparently not quite up to date, no one will ever tell you that there were PMCs in the USSR, and in general PMCs are the modern name for some special forces, and even call me a pet, it doesn’t change, as a kind an example I advise you to watch the old movie "Afghan Syndrome"
            1. Lieutenant Captain
              Lieutenant Captain 20 February 2018 18: 58
              +2
              Quote: Volka
              I apologize for the possible offense

              empty, we communicate for the sake of truth hi
              At the expense of Chavek in the USSR, this is an absolute fiction, there were specials. Vympel and Alpha divisions, for example, GRU divisions, which performed special tasks, only received a paycheck from the general cash desk, and not from private entities, some people cook.
              I don’t remember the film “Afghan Syndrome”, if I find it, I’ve found it, but there was “Afghan Break”, I remember that. hi
          2. Vlad.by
            Vlad.by 21 February 2018 09: 59
            0
            You received the salary, but not the "pay", or salary. Along with clothing, food, providing a roof over your head for the duration of the service.
            Do you think the homeland should remain?
            1. Lieutenant Captain
              Lieutenant Captain 21 February 2018 10: 03
              +2
              Quote: Vlad.by
              Do you think the homeland should remain?

              I did not understand how you managed to draw such a conclusion from my comment? request
      2. Gardamir
        Gardamir 20 February 2018 18: 45
        +1
        How does it relate
        Now all conceivable and inconceivable cases are going to the piggy bank, which, at least somehow, can be fastened to PMCs.
        Also once legalized collectors.
  5. Wolka
    Wolka 20 February 2018 17: 38
    +3
    everything will be, do not rush things, let the president choose, now is not the time to make sudden movements and give an extra reason to scream and bark to Western journalists and our various enemies is very imprudent ...
  6. private person
    private person 20 February 2018 17: 42
    0
    70-80 USSR Armed Forces left a mark on their boots in many places, and if everyone recognizes them as internationalist warriors, there will be a lot of noise and cries, and even this is not fair in relation to those who can no longer exercise this right.
    1. Herculesic
      Herculesic 20 February 2018 17: 55
      +2
      They went to fight for the interests of the country! No need to speculate on this topic!
      1. Imh
        Imh 20 February 2018 18: 00
        +1
        Alas and ah, but the interests of the country and the interests of the motherland are not the same thing.
        1. Herculesic
          Herculesic 20 February 2018 18: 22
          +1
          If you mean ukroinu, where you come from, and Israel, where you are now fleeing from the war in your homeland, then you are right!
          1. Imh
            Imh 20 February 2018 20: 45
            +1
            And if not from Ukraine, but from Uruguay? And if from Russia?
            1. Herculesic
              Herculesic 20 February 2018 20: 52
              +2
              Most likely you are from a perpendicular universe! You can’t even be allowed into the password-hosting universe - lure everyone undermine!
        2. Vlad.by
          Vlad.by 21 February 2018 10: 03
          0
          Is this your attitude to Israel? And how does your local SBU look at it?
          As I understand it, do you still think Russia is your homeland?
          Contradiction to your previous posts, however ...
  7. K-50
    K-50 20 February 2018 17: 56
    +5
    I fully support
    If the state sends people to protect its interests (political, economic, military), then there is no right at all to refuse to recognize their merits as veterans, especially armed conflicts.
    Yes, probably all those who performed work on such business trips should be recognized as war veterans.
  8. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 20 February 2018 17: 58
    0
    Yes, it is clear that they must recognize their status as internationalist wars and pay money to them. They were not there of their own free will, so the state, the rightful heir of the USSR, owes them.
  9. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 20 February 2018 18: 02
    +8
    They ask to supplement the law "On Veterans" with events in the Middle East of 1982-1984, in which the Soviet military took part
    If the state recognizes the participation of its military personnel in a particular conflict, then the privileges associated with the concept of "war veteran" should also be extended to them. They defended the interests of their country. But there are many conflicts where the participation of our military personnel is not recognized - these people also need material payments, possibly under any other pretext. Nobody is forgotten and nothing is forgotten - people who defended the interests of the state in the most unthinkable parts of the world should feel these words in life. Such people are not few ....
    1. Svarog51
      Svarog51 21 February 2018 06: 38
      +1
      Victor, welcome hi The service in the SVR and the GRU is generally classified, so now do not recognize their merits to the homeland? And then, those who served in 82-84 are already in their 6th decade, and in 15-20 years, how many will remain? Let the state take care now, and not when it is too late.
  10. Altona
    Altona 20 February 2018 18: 06
    0
    Quote: IMH
    They were advisers. The result is either Putin to recognize the aggression of the USSR against Israel, or to send off the converts.

    --------------------------------------
    The Americans are full of such "advisers" and these "advisers" fought against us around the world. Afghanistan, Chechnya and now Syria. Their “advisers” are not necessarily white, they have all sorts of ethnically — white, blacks, Arabs, Pashtuns, Indians, whatever you want.
    1. Imh
      Imh 20 February 2018 18: 18
      +4
      By itself. Only these people are not American officers, but private individuals. Feel the difference?
      1. NN52
        NN52 20 February 2018 20: 56
        +12
        Imh

        Nobody wants to communicate with you, you have not understood this yet.
  11. Altona
    Altona 20 February 2018 18: 07
    +1
    Quote: Volka
    everything will be done for colleagues, the development of the relevant legislation is already underway, but it must be understood that it is not done in one day, the issue under consideration is very difficult, the mistakes are distorted human lives ...

    ------------------------------
    These additions can be made not public, but "for official use."
  12. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 20 February 2018 18: 16
    +1
    It is unlikely that the government will go to extra costs and recognize the obvious facts.
    1. Lieutenant Captain
      Lieutenant Captain 20 February 2018 18: 49
      +2
      Quote: andrej-shironov
      It is unlikely that the government will go to extra costs and recognize the obvious facts.

      In order to incur costs, the state must first acknowledge the facts.
  13. VOENOBOZ
    VOENOBOZ 20 February 2018 18: 18
    +1
    Appeal before the election, it will be clear how to vote.
    1. Ace Tambourine
      Ace Tambourine 21 February 2018 05: 57
      +2
      Why did you all cling to these choices ?!
      Reread the article again. This is already the 2nd appeal. The first was in the spring of 2016.
      What, in 2 years you couldn’t resolve anything?
      But Plato Vrotennbergom dragged in a swoop.
  14. Loess
    Loess 20 February 2018 18: 27
    +3
    Imh,
    Quote: IMH
    And for you, Homeland = Assad, Assad = Homeland? Strange things you say.

    Have you decided to play with my words? Let's play. Does Israel Have Interest in Hezbollah? There is. By your logic, it turns out that Israel = hezbollah. And since Israel believes that these are terrorists, therefore, Israel is a terrorist state entity. Have I ever made a mistake following developing your logical chain?
  15. MadCat
    MadCat 20 February 2018 18: 41
    +6
    Ichtams for 1982 ... fellow
    1. Imh
      Imh 20 February 2018 20: 47
      +3
      Nothing has changed.
  16. Xscorpion
    Xscorpion 20 February 2018 18: 57
    +3
    Quote: IMH
    In general, these comrades did not officially fight there in Syria in the 70-80s. They were advisers. The result is either Putin to recognize the aggression of the USSR against Israel, or to send off the converts. It seems to me that Vladimir Putin will choose the second.


    Well, in general, section 3 of this list indicates Syria 1967-1973 and Syria and Lebanon 1982, and, accordingly, Syria since 2015.
  17. Xscorpion
    Xscorpion 20 February 2018 19: 09
    +3
    Quote: andrej-shironov
    It is unlikely that the government will go to extra costs and recognize the obvious facts.


    What are the costs? Several thousand people put on a social pension of 2,800 re? One contract company for salary requires more. It’s not about money, but in state secrets. These people gave non-disclosure subscriptions. They are not the only ones. Do we have veterans of the Korean War of the 50s? Although there were many of our specialists there, Vietnam was recently recognized. The time will come and these forgotten heroes will be recognized.
  18. dgonni
    dgonni 20 February 2018 19: 10
    +3
    I read kamenty. I understand the passions for now. BUT! Why not recognize the fighters, officers and other personnel who actually performed their duty during the Soviet era, at the call of the then CPSU? These people are already old, they would add to the pension Maltz.
  19. Lexus
    Lexus 20 February 2018 20: 13
    +3
    I have nothing against the Soviet soldiers-internationalists, they did their work with dignity and selflessness, for which they bow and respect.
    But this appeal right now looks very much like a custom one. Putin, of course, will answer him positively, reward someone, give out “crusts”. But not because after 18 years from his first election, he finally became concerned about their fate, but because you can’t better think of a way to “push under the cloth” problems with lost planes, dead soldiers and volunteers, and happily scream “Russia does not leave its own” without a worthy a reason for this, having scored the airwaves of the media with "triumphant reports" against the backdrop of systematic defeats. hi
  20. Yasen Ping
    Yasen Ping 20 February 2018 21: 08
    +1
    support !!!
  21. Samara_63
    Samara_63 20 February 2018 21: 11
    0
    Our from air defense Syria 1983

    Who remembers Lieutenant Colonel Rudnev? later died in the Moscow Air Defense District as the call sign Udaloy
  22. Professor
    Professor 20 February 2018 21: 20
    +6
    The appeal was sent on behalf of the veterans of the 220 and 231 anti-aircraft missile regiments, ground and airborne electronic warfare, the communications node “Waterfall”, the 5 Black Sea Squadron and the 4 Navy Submarine Fleet Squadron. They ask to supplement the law "On Veterans" with events in the Middle East of the 1982-1984 years, in which the Soviet military took part. The text of the appeal is published on the organization’s website.

    Some kind of de vu. Again, the scoop threw his ichthamnet, and those years later tearfully beg for money. However, as you know, there is no money, but we must hold on. Interestingly, the participants in the same events who have openly fought on the other side are now well provided for, pensions in the $ 5000 area, no mortgages and other household troubles there. But the most important thing is the honor and respect that they have been shown in their homeland all these years. Miracles however. recourse
    1. Imh
      Imh 20 February 2018 21: 27
      +1
      You say that I can’t add not reduce.
  23. Tests
    Tests 20 February 2018 21: 37
    +3
    IMH, my dear, yes, it seems to you time to give a scientific degree in history. Enlighten us dark, in what the USSR’s aggression against Israel in 1982-84 was expressed. Only, please, do not forget that the UN General Assembly, by resolution of 14.12.1974/10/1985, introduced the definition of aggression into international law. Different sources call the different number of downed and damaged aircraft of the Israeli Air Force as a result of the work of the air defense calculations of the USSR Armed Forces over the territory of Syria. I have not seen anywhere that these aircraft were shot down or damaged in the airspace of Israel. Following the laws of logic, your conclusion: “Altogether, Putin should recognize the aggression of the USSR against Israel, or send off those who appeal” - should not be necessary. Consequently: either you are conscientiously mistaken, or you are deliberately lying ... With someone who claimed that serving as a soldier in Syria, as part of the calculation, he damaged an Israeli air force plane that invaded Syrian airspace over a distance of more than 86 km, happened in XNUMX- XNUMX to serve together. To this day, this person is inclined to believe. And you, somehow not very ... But here is the forum ...
    1. Imh
      Imh 20 February 2018 22: 49
      +2
      Conscript in Syria? Well, well ... Let's say honestly they shot down mainly Syrian planes there.
  24. sergosam
    sergosam 20 February 2018 21: 51
    +9
    The second from the right I stand. I was 23 years old, a young lieutenant, half
    people in the photo, this is my platoon. We went to defend Syria and the USSR from Zionism and imperialism, as we were told. First for a year, and then it turned out almost two. We are not some advisers, a combat regiment, reinforced, about 2000 people, there were two of them. Received two salaries in rubles and 500 Syrian lire per month and not any currency. At the end of the trip, they promised a year for three and Afghan benefits. For two years they were released on vacation for 10 days, and many were generally two years without leave. But then it was forgotten, they said that everything was secret. Since then, we have been fighting for our rights, but things are still there. As we are called "forgotten regiments" of their homeland. They didn’t need anyone. The state forgot about us, and the Moscow Region says you weren’t there. And thanks to our presence, the Third World War in 1983 may not have begun.
    1. Imh
      Imh 20 February 2018 22: 48
      +2
      I sincerely sympathize, but alas, ah, this is a consequence of the “ichtamnet” policy, which you yourself are talking about.
    2. Imh
      Imh 20 February 2018 22: 57
      +3
      You know, one of those against whom you were in Syria is my neighbor. Combat pilot. Retired colonel of the Israeli Air Force. He walks like a hero, like a hero and is recognized by society. His apartment costs +/- 800 thousand. $. Pension, as I think, deeply for $ 6k. And all because he was there, and my country does not deny this.
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  25. earloop
    earloop 20 February 2018 23: 06
    +2
    Veterans of the Armed Forces, performing their military duty, should not ask for any benefits! Among the former warriors there are many modest and decent people who are alien to ask for themselves "He will ask for a comrade, but not for himself! Questions about benefits, this is the lot of the command and political workers, who should take care of their" miraculous heroes. "Unfortunately , many generations of former soldiers experienced this discomfort, resigned to themselves, since 1918. The command, and the public from the organizations of the former military, must necessarily solve such issues.
  26. Terenin
    Terenin 20 February 2018 23: 17
    +6
    In the debate (140 comments) two sides were identified. I realized for sure that one side "Sobchak to help!". I personally cannot stand her. crying
  27. Ncplc
    Ncplc 21 February 2018 01: 13
    +4
    I read the comments for this article (and there were already 143 of them) and realized what kind of duplicitous you are! Of course, all these “advisers” should be given the status of participants in the database with all the resulting subsidies, that they were considered “volunteers” is absurd, in those days “the party said it is necessary the Komsomol answered-is” they were sent to fight and the state should pay them or them it is unambiguous to the family that they performed the DUT to the Motherland as they were ordered - they had no choice !!!! And not for you to judge them. Although, in principle, I was an Israeli and served here, it wouldn’t matter if I would have ordered it and would have served somewhere in Honduras, and you are still discussing something: to pay or not to pay, if there is enough money or not, it's a shame !! IMHO.
  28. hvakakus
    hvakakus 21 February 2018 08: 43
    +2
    In Syria, there were advisers to the Arab military units and completely (from rank and file to generals) Soviet military units and units. Both those and others to varying degrees participated in the hostilities or in ensuring combat work in Lebanon and directly Syria. A certain number of months 81-82gg was officially recognized as a period of hostilities (at a minimum), but even those who were there during this period, not many received the status of a participant in the database. I was in Syria from July 82 to July 84 and didn’t get into the legalized period of the database, but nevertheless I took part in clashes with armed groups in Lebanon when looking for a pilot at the site of the crash of the MiG-25. Some kind of accounting of combat work as in combat units in the apparatus of the chief military adviser was not carried out, in fact in Syria I did not have a commander or immediate superior in the usual representation. In a personal file, a record with a red seal is seconded to the 10th General Directorate of the General Staff and that’s all. I consider anti-aircraft gunners generally disgusting - the record served in the suburbs is obtained. It is clear that during the USSR there were other standards of secrecy and political expediency - but now what prevents us from bringing everything into line with real events.
  29. hvakakus
    hvakakus 21 February 2018 09: 07
    +1
    Quote: IMH
    Conscript in Syria? Well, well ... Let's say honestly they shot down mainly Syrian planes there.

    And conscripts were downed Israeli planes and drones - do not hesitate.
    1. Strips
      Strips 21 February 2018 10: 58
      +1
      Operation Rimon 20 is the codename for the Israeli Air Force’s air battle against Soviet fighter pilots stationed in Egypt during the Depletion War on July 30, 1970, in which five Soviet MiG-21 fighters were shot down by Israeli F-4 Phantom fighters and Mirage III.
    2. Professor
      Professor 21 February 2018 11: 38
      +1
      Quote: Hvvakus
      And conscripts were downed Israeli planes and drones - do not hesitate.

      We have no doubt.
      On 6 on June, A-4 Skyhawk was shot down by Palestinian militants from MANPADS. Soviet ikhtamnety not aisles.
      On the 13 of June, the Kfir fighter-bomber was damaged by a “Syrian” anti-aircraft missile and crashed when approaching — we count the victory for the Soviet ichthamnes.
      On July 24, the F-4 Phantom II reconnaissance was shot down by two anti-aircraft “Syrian” missiles — we will count this victory for the Soviet ichthamnes too.
      There were no more losses of Israeli manned aircraft from air defense systems. Drones are consumables for war.
      In total, all the military merits of the 220 and 231 anti-aircraft missile regiments and other Soviet ikhtamnets are all 2 (TWO) aircraft, and all this time, Israeli aviation hosted the Lebanese sky? It is not surprising that no one wants to pay them now. “For what” is being asked? request
      1. hvakakus
        hvakakus 21 February 2018 12: 06
        +1
        Well, it is necessary to ask 220 and 231 SRPs, Israel does not really recognize its losses. I can also say about my MiG-25s that they hosted the sky above Lebanon, despite the damage to one (the jamming station stole a missile launched from an Israeli fighter, got damaged, sat down, repaired) and one crashed due to unknown circumstances (pilot major The Syrian Air Force catapulted was captured by pro-Israeli groups). In my opinion, the S-200 air defense missile systems completed their mission to protect Syrian airspace in full. The Israeli Air Force stopped poking its nose into guarded airspace. And if necessary, they could bombard Israeli aircraft right on take-off, which was a serious deterrent.
        1. Professor
          Professor 21 February 2018 14: 37
          +2
          Quote: Hvvakus
          Well, it is necessary to ask 220 and 231 SRPs, Israel does not really recognize its losses.

          Israel has not concealed a single loss in its history. The reverse has not been proven.

          Quote: Hvvakus
          I can also say about my MIG-25 that they were flying in the sky over Lebanon, despite the damage to one (the jamming station stole a missile launched from an Israeli fighter, got damaged, sat down, repaired) and one crashed due to unknown circumstances (pilot major Syrian Air Force ejected was captured by pro-Israeli groups)

          Everyone can tell stories, but not everyone can bring material evidence. I can again show the video of the fall of the MiG-25.

          Quote: Hvvakus
          In my opinion, the S-200 air defense missile system completed its mission to protect Syria's airspace in full.

          We get different views. Israel did not intend to enter Syria. The world of Galilee is Israel’s war with terrorists and ichtamnets on the territory of Lebanon and the complete dominance of Hale Avira in the war zone is undeniable. So what task did C-200 do? The spread of world Zionism? wink

          Quote: Hvvakus
          The Israeli Air Force stopped poking its nose into guarded airspace.

          Hale Avir did as he did in Lebanese airspace what he needed and is doing now.

          Quote: Hvvakus
          And if necessary, they could bombard Israeli aircraft right on take-off, which was a serious deterrent.

          ... but never fired.

          Quote: Hvvakus
          And where on your list is a military transporter stuffed with smuggling and shot down in Lebanon by a mobile Syrian air defense system on a free hunt (he kicked the wreckage with his foot, so do not bother to deny it).

          And didn’t they kick the interplanetary spacecraft with their feet? wink What is the side number of the transporter? Model? Serial number? Well, at least something that could help identify him?
          1. hvakakus
            hvakakus 21 February 2018 14: 56
            +1
            Well, I didn’t take the example of Poroshenko to take a piece of skin with me for an example in 83.
            1. Professor
              Professor 21 February 2018 15: 04
              +1
              Quote: Hvvakus
              Well, I didn’t take the example of Poroshenko to take a piece of skin with me for an example in 83.

              It would be nice. My boss has a shovel on the table from the MiG engine shot down over Israel in 1973. I already posted the photo here. Nevertheless, Israel did not lose any transport workers. The weapons supplied to the South Lebanese Army were completely open and there was no need for smuggling. Since you can’t provide any identification data, let me question your ability to identify what the Israeli transport was shot down.
              1. hvakakus
                hvakakus 21 February 2018 15: 16
                +1
                Smuggling was a commercial (non-military) video recorder and other equipment, it was not clear what was being transported from Lebanon or to Lebanon, I don’t know the exact location of the Beirut environs. The video of the fall of the Mig-25 is interesting to watch - but this is hardly our plane from the Tifor air base.
                1. Professor
                  Professor 21 February 2018 15: 46
                  0
                  Quote: Hvvakus
                  Smuggling was a commercial (non-military) video recorder and other equipment, it was not clear what was being transported from Lebanon or to Lebanon, I don’t know the exact location of the Beirut environs. The video of the fall of the Mig-25 is interesting to watch - but this is hardly our plane from the Tifor air base.

                  I myself know about how we were morging, but I don’t believe that I would take them out of planes. The people are not the same. Someone will surrender right away, and there the prison is not looking at the ranks. Maybe the Syrian transporter was?

                  Quote: Hvvakus
                  . The video of the fall of the Mig-25 is interesting to watch - but this is hardly our plane from the Tifor air base.

                  1. hvakakus
                    hvakakus 21 February 2018 20: 53
                    0
                    Thank you for the video - but this is not MiG-25, we conducted reconnaissance from a height of 25 km. On the transporter, I did not say that this was the result of looting, pure commerce, in Lebanon the borders were not properly guarded and everyone was lugging smuggled in there, I shopped there myself, everything was half the price than in Syria and the closer to the sea the cheaper .
                    1. Professor
                      Professor 21 February 2018 21: 06
                      +1
                      Quote: Hvvakus
                      Thank you for the video - but this is not MiG-25, we conducted reconnaissance from an altitude of 25 km.

                      MiG-25 it. Take a closer look. By the way, the film is Arabic. The work of their operator and their voice acting.

                      Quote: Hvvakus
                      According to the transporter, I did not say that this was the result of looting, pure commerce, in Lebanon the borders were not properly guarded and everyone was lazy to smuggle in there, I shopped there myself, everything was half the price than in Syria and the closer to the sea the cheaper .

                      Israel did not lose transporters in Lebanon, so most likely the board was Arabic. Most of us brought cigarettes from Lebanon. Less commonly, drugs and weapons. AOI transport smuggling is simply not realistic. You are not aware of the realities here.
                      1. hvakakus
                        hvakakus 21 February 2018 21: 53
                        0
                        Well, as you like - Arabic but with Israeli coloring.
      2. hvakakus
        hvakakus 21 February 2018 12: 15
        +1
        And where on your list is a military transporter stuffed with smuggling and shot down in Lebanon by a mobile Syrian air defense system on a free hunt (he kicked the wreckage with his foot, so do not bother to deny it).
        1. hvakakus
          hvakakus 21 February 2018 21: 50
          +1
          I listened to the voice acting twice - not a word about the downed plane, especially Mig -25.
          1. Professor
            Professor 22 February 2018 07: 56
            0
            Quote: Hvvakus
            I listened to the voice acting twice - not a word about the downed plane, especially Mig -25.

            Listen again. They talk there about the fiasco of Arab aviation and look again at the video. The 2 keel of the MiG-25 is clearly visible.
      3. Chester
        Chester 6 March 2018 00: 09
        0
        Don’t “slow down” the professor - read the material - “Defended the sky of Syria”, not Lebanon. And then I will remember who was caught from the water in Tartus and according to what criteria the Israeli Air Force determines the losses. At the same time, by the way, if you give examples - indicate years and places. At least a country.
  30. Tests
    Tests 21 February 2018 21: 22
    +3
    Dear professor, for some reason you constantly confuse sour and bitter from one comment to another. The conversation was about the air defense regiments of the USSR Armed Forces, which worked in Syria in the 1983-84 years, right? You tell how Israeli Air Force pilots ruled the Lebanese skies during those same years. Lebanon and Syria are located side by side, they are, of course, similar, but, as they say in Odessa: "There are nuances ..."
    You, dear, are sitting on the salary of the state of Israel, commenting on this site? Or express your personal opinion? Please do not confuse God's gift with fried eggs. Please do not disgrace the flag under which you write on the site. "Scoop", including thanks to your countrymen, died, if not forgotten, in 1991. A public organization of the Russian Federation in 2018, repeatedly appealed to the President of the Russian Federation with an appeal, which was published on the website of its association. Excuse me, where is it: "Once again, the scoop threw his ichthamnet, and those years later tearfully beg for money." ? Your energy in exposing the veterans of the Waffen SS, and those who made them, after 1991, as a “scoop”, there were no heroes. On February 24, Tallinn will celebrate Estonia Independence Day. The 20th Grenadier Division of the SS is Estonia’s national heroes today. And in independent Latvia they will remember their heroes: 15 and 19 SS grenadier divisions. Remind their exploits? Remember that these "fighters against Bolshevism" planned to do with the Jewish people and what they did? ... But here is the forum ...
    1. hvakakus
      hvakakus 21 February 2018 22: 04
      +1
      Not only anti-aircraft gunners, at the T-4 airbase, two An-12 airplanes were constantly on duty; jammers, were replaced once a year. I think they have the same record in their personal files - served in the Moscow Military District.
    2. Professor
      Professor 22 February 2018 08: 07
      +1
      Quote: Tests
      Dear professor, for some reason you constantly confuse sour and bitter from one comment to another. The conversation was about the air defense regiments of the USSR Armed Forces, which worked in Syria in the 1983-84 years, right? You tell how Israeli Air Force pilots ruled the Lebanese skies during those same years. Lebanon and Syria are located side by side, they are, of course, similar, but, as they say in Odessa: "There are nuances ..."

      We carefully read the article:
      It is noted that from January 1983 to October 1984 "the regiments took an active part in repelling and countering the aggression of the aviation forces of Israel and the United States on the forces of the SAR."

      Was there aggression in Syrian territory? This is something new? The fighting was in the territory of the third country, Lebanon. It was in the sky of Lebanon that Syrian aviation failed and it was on the land of Lebanon that the Syrian air defense was destroyed. These are the nuances. fellow

      Quote: Tests
      You, dear, are sitting on the salary of the state of Israel, commenting on this site? Or express your personal opinion?

      The most personal that ever happens.

      Quote: Tests
      "Scoop", including thanks to your countrymen, died, if not forgotten, in 1991.

      Scoop self-destructed. So to speak, he went down the drain. And the most interesting thing is that none of you took to the streets and tried to save him. You all grunted "Approved."

      Quote: Tests
      Excuse me, where is it: "Once again, the scoop threw his ichthamnet, and those years later tearfully beg for money." ?

      We read the article again:
      Now veterans are demanding amendments to Section III of the List of States, Cities, Territories and Periods of Military Operations with the Participation of Citizens of the Russian Federation of the Federal Law On Veterans, introducing military operations in Syria and Lebanon into it, and recognizing military personnel as participants in military operations in Syria and Lebanon, and accordingly - internationalist warriors with the issuance of certificates and a record in personal files. After that, they believe, it is necessary “to recalculate to officers, warrant officers and midshipmen the length of service for retirement, one month of service in three months”.


      Quote: Tests
      Your energy in exposing veterans of the Waffen SS, and those who made them, after 1991 of the year, as the “scoop” died, heroes

      You do not worry about me. I have a steamer of energy and the fight against the Natsiks, including those sitting on this site.
      1. sxfRipper
        sxfRipper 24 February 2018 22: 37
        0
        I have a steamer of energy and the fight against the Natsiks, including those sitting on this site.
        Well yes. On the site you can blow off the whistle and make yourself cool.
    3. sxfRipper
      sxfRipper 24 February 2018 22: 35
      0
      You, dear, are sitting on the salary of the state of Israel, commenting on this site? Or express your personal opinion? Please do not confuse God's gift with fried eggs. Please do not dishonor the flag under which you write on the site
      Recently, I advised him about the same. Nah, doesn't get it. A nation is degenerating ...
  31. ver_
    ver_ 25 February 2018 09: 22
    0
    Quote: IMH
    In general, these comrades did not officially fight there in Syria in the 70-80s. They were advisers. The result is either Putin to recognize the aggression of the USSR against Israel, or to send off the converts. It seems to me that Vladimir Putin will choose the second.

    ... the USSR rested in a Bose .. Jews for the Holocaust 1917-- * did not report * and did not repent ..
  32. ver_
    ver_ 25 February 2018 09: 34
    0
    Quote: Svarog51
    But what about the groups that tracked the Nazis around the world?

    ... well so, they are God-chosen ..- they can do anything ...
  33. -Ac-
    -Ac- 18 January 2019 08: 36
    0
    Quote: Professor
    My boss has a shovel on the table from the MiG engine shot down over Israel in 1973.

    Are you henpecked?