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In Poland: Why are there Holocaust museums, but no Polocost museums?

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In a large Polish newspaper Republic Today published material for the authorship of the writer and journalist Marek Kochan, who said that история Nazi crimes against the Poles during the Second World War are not actively covered in Poland today.


The heading actually complains that everyone knows the term "Holocaust", but there is still no term that would tell about crimes against the Poles. The writer and journalist suggests the Polish authorities not to waste time and create a museum "Polokosta" (a word that combines two terms: "Poles" and "Holocaust"), which would tell about the Nazi crimes against the titular Polish nation.

In Poland: Why are there Holocaust museums, but no Polocost museums?


Marek Kochan notes that the recently adopted law on the Institute of National Remembrance in Poland has caused a big image crisis for the country. According to the author of the material in Rzeczpospolita, everyone remembers the persecution of Jews in Poland, but not everyone is ready to recall Hitler’s plan for the extermination of the Slavs, who (on Polish territory) planned to leave no more than 5 million people as labor for the Third Reich.

Marek Kochan notes that today many public and national groups use the “victim factor”.

Heading:
The status of the victim today carries a certain advantage. Even members of sexual minorities have learned to use it.
Poland could use as an example the experience of Israel, which brought the factor of victims among the Jewish population during the years of WWII to one of the foundations of its policy - to achieve modern goals (...) Many countries write their own history. Our history should be written by us - the Poles. And in this story it is necessary to take into account how the Polish nation fought for its existence. After all, not only Jews, but also Poles were subject to mass extermination. Israel has the Yad Vashem Holocaust Museum. And we do not have a museum that tells about the genocide of the Poles.
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  1. Irokez
    Irokez 20 February 2018 14: 22
    +8
    Because you are not God's chosen people.
    1. Anarchist
      Anarchist 20 February 2018 14: 30
      +17
      Quote: Irokez
      Because you are not God's chosen people.

      authorship of writer and journalist Marek Kochan

      Yeah, head out to all of them on the collar!
      Crimes of Poles, like Jews, are not investigated properly ... Everything was stolen by the Nazis!
      1. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 20 February 2018 14: 42
        +13
        Quote: Anarchist
        Crimes of Poles, like Jews, are not investigated properly ... Everything was stolen by the Nazis!

        But still, in my opinion, everyone on the scale of different .... bones (“Indecost”?) Everyone has surpassed the “most democratic country” in the world. As many Indians were exterminated in North America - not a single Holocaust ("just" 6 million ...) can be compared ...
        I don’t remember someone urging them to repent .... As Michael Bim-Bom likes to say: “Nuuu, that wasn’t under the current administration ...” (This is when they asked him in the forehead about lies with a test tube and anthrax ) Like, ask the administration and ask, but we have nothing to do with it ...
        1. The black
          The black 20 February 2018 14: 44
          +4
          authored by writer and journalist Marek Kochan,
          ....... it is bad when instead of a head you head out. wassat
          1. alex-s
            alex-s 20 February 2018 14: 48
            +2
            Why are there "Holocaust" museums, but no "Holocaust" museums?

            Hohlokosta not yet! fool
            1. Shurik70
              Shurik70 20 February 2018 15: 04
              0
              Many countries write their own history. Our story must be written by us

              Well, yes, now everyone is writing a story. Already, the USA won in World War II, and the USSR fought on the side of Hitler No.
        2. Anarchist
          Anarchist 20 February 2018 14: 46
          +8
          In the same way, one can respond to any allegations of cruelty in the Gulag, etc., etc.
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          "Nuuu, it wasn’t under the current administration ..."

          Yes, only ashamed to disown history! Therefore, it is still making excuses ... We blush, but do not deny ourselves!
          1. Lexus
            Lexus 20 February 2018 14: 59
            +4
            I do not for certain know a single monument to the Red Army soldiers martyred in Poland since 1920. And then it was the genocide of prisoners of war. Accordingly, it is incomprehensible to me to play along with the Russian authorities about the notorious Katyn. One explanation suggests itself: the desire to please the "partners" and enlist their support to the detriment of the needs and aspirations of their own people. Obviously losing position for the country.
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 20 February 2018 18: 22
              +8
              Alex, hi !
              Quote: lexus
              I do not understand playing along with the Russian authorities about the notorious Katyn
              An interesting fact about Katyn is visible. Mass graves are located (attention!) Not on the territory of the departmental sanatorium of the NKVD. Now imagine the NKVD officers, shooting the poor Poles in the territory through which their wives and children walk! Not to mention such "trifles" that the hands of Polish officers were tied with a cord that was not produced in the USSR. Yes, in addition,

              Oddnym word,
              1. Lexus
                Lexus 20 February 2018 18: 43
                +1
                Namesake, hi
                You are absolutely right!
                And the photo to comment perfectly reflects the essence of what is happening. good
                In an article on a neighboring "branch" about the desecration of Soviet burials in Lithuania, the consequences of Russia's slurred foreign policy are also seen.
      2. sogdy
        sogdy 20 February 2018 14: 59
        +1
        Quote: Anarchist
        Crimes of Poles, like Jews, are not investigated properly ... Everything was stolen by the Nazis!

        All investigative and judicial actions were carried out.
        As a result of the German occupation, Poland lost almost the entire industrial and sowing fund, 2/3 of the housing stock and half of the population. Outbreaks of cannibalism continued until 49-51.
        ?
    2. Black_Vatnik
      Black_Vatnik 20 February 2018 14: 44
      +7
      Rather, because Poland was the first major European state to run to pledge with Hitler, while Pilsudski was still alive. Or because Poland was preparing to fight against the USSR on the side of Hitler. Or maybe because the Kraev’s Army, which “fought” with the Nazis, killed more Jews than the Nazis. Or maybe because the "poor and unhappy" Poland divided torn Czechoslovakia into with Hitler and quietly cleaned up the hefty Teszyna region with the direct permission of Goering. You can still remember all kinds of things. If Poland agreed to let the Red Army through its territory, then Hitler could be strangled back in the 38th year. But Poland had plans for this.
      1. oldseaman1957
        oldseaman1957 20 February 2018 14: 46
        +6
        Quote: Black_Jacket
        If Poland agreed to let the Red Army through its territory ...
        - At that time they considered themselves cooler than Hitler! And so in essence - a conceited, pompous, at one time uninhabited nation.
        PySy: It is unclear who has the most foolishness for everyone: Ukrainians among the Poles or Ukrainians among the Poles ???
        1. Black_Vatnik
          Black_Vatnik 20 February 2018 14: 51
          +4
          They had chances, if not to hit Hitler in the cabbage soup, then though to tie him up with battles in Poland. Only their forces and fortifications were concentrated mainly in the east of the country, for they were not preparing for war with the Third Reich.
        2. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 20 February 2018 14: 59
          +9
          Quote: oldseaman1957
          It is unclear who got the most dope from anyone: Ukrainians from the Poles or Poles from the Ukrainians ???

          Tolerant, this is called the "interpenetration of cultures" ... good
          1. Anarchist
            Anarchist 20 February 2018 15: 11
            +10
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            "interpenetration of cultures" ...

            Like sea slugs:
            Being hermaphrodites, they, during mating, first try to bite each other's genitals to impregnate both the partner and themselves ...
            The situation is one to one, as in relations between Poland and Ukraine!
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 20 February 2018 15: 17
              +8
              Quote: Anarchist
              Like sea slugs:

              good How useful it is to teach biology !!!
              Quote: Anarchist
              The situation is one to one, as in relations between Poland and Ukraine!

              More precisely, I have not seen a comparison! good
        3. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 20 February 2018 15: 15
          +1
          Quote: oldseaman1957
          - At that time they considered themselves cooler than Hitler! And so in essence - a conceited, pompous, at one time uninhabited nation.

          has something changed by 2018? wassat
          Quote: oldseaman1957
          PySy: It is unclear who has the most foolishness for everyone: Ukrainians among the Poles or Ukrainians among the Poles ???

          why is it not clear? it is enough to study the history of the emergence of Ukraine. This is a purely Polish project.
          so the answer is obvious - Ukrainians gathered from the Poles. soldier
      2. sogdy
        sogdy 20 February 2018 15: 11
        0
        Quote: Black_Jacket
        Or maybe because the Kraev’s Army, which “fought” with the Nazis, killed more Jews than the Nazis.

        The 2nd and 3rd battalions of the Home Army cooperated with the NKVD and the Red Army. There was also the Army of Ludov, whose 4th battalion was called Communist.
        And yes, they draw "bloody Stalin" from their Pilsudski and his civilian administration (these are those near Smolensk, after the transfer to the Poles).
      3. Sanichsan
        Sanichsan 20 February 2018 15: 12
        +1
        Quote: Black_Jacket
        If Poland agreed to let the Red Army through its territory, then Hitler could be strangled back in the 38th year.

        where is it interesting? through the territories occupied by Poland in 1920? something I strongly doubt No.
        if that is the very territory that was allegedly "captured" by the USSR in 1939 soldier
        1. Black_Vatnik
          Black_Vatnik 20 February 2018 15: 43
          0
          Open the map of Europe in 1938, they will show you the place.
          An allied treaty was concluded between the USSR and Czechoslovakia as early as 35m or 36m. Stalin was ready to put forward troops, but Poland had an agreement with Germany not to miss the Red Army. Moscow, in turn, warned that if Poland attacked the Czechs, they would refuse to fulfill the terms of the non-aggression pact between the USSR and Poland.

          When the USSR "Captured" part of Poland, by and large it reached those territories that were defined by the Entente as the eastern borders of Poland after the First World War - the so-called "Curzon Line"
          1. sogdy
            sogdy 21 February 2018 06: 41
            0
            Quote: Black_Jacket
            Open the map of Europe in 1938, they will show you the place.
            An allied treaty was concluded between the USSR and Czechoslovakia as early as 35m or 36m. Stalin was ready to put forward troops, but Poland had an agreement with Germany not to miss the Red Army.

            Sorry if this is about the Munich Agreement (conspiracy), then Poland is one of its participants. Actually, it takes place in history as a division of Czechoslovakia by Germany and Poland.
            The agreement with Czechoslovakia existed exclusively within the limits and powers of the League of Nations. With the refusal of consideration, the question was no longer raised. (Cho, September 21-30 for everything about everything)
            Eyewitnesses will not mention preparations for the march / intensification of combat readiness and other related events. The rear services are also not tracked. Those who drew attention to "some unreadiness" were postponed for 3 years.
      4. trump
        trump 21 February 2018 11: 23
        0
        Poland’s claims on the Tieszyn region were considered at the Munich conference, but the question was postponed - did Hitler have to do with this?
        But in general - why would you take the throat for an area that had never been a part of the Czech Republic until 1917, and even during the time of the Czech Kingdom it was only a vassal principality with a predominantly Polish population?
  2. dorz
    dorz 20 February 2018 14: 23
    +2
    House No. 6 is a more suitable definition.
  3. Imh
    Imh 20 February 2018 14: 31
    +8
    Maybe because the Poles participated in the crimes of the Nazis with enthusiasm? Maybe because 2 million. killed Poles, in fact it is 2 million. slain Polish Jews? Liars and bastards!
    1. Anarchist
      Anarchist 20 February 2018 14: 40
      +10
      C'mon, not only the Poles of the "stigma in the gun":


      How Jews killed Jews during World War II - Rouen News
      news.ru-an.info / ... Jews ... of the world ...
      In addition to the German Jews who served in the Wehrmacht, there were those Jews who guarded the Jewish ghettos, and then, together with the Germans, Lithuanians and Latvians, destroyed their own brothers
      1. Imh
        Imh 20 February 2018 14: 47
        +3
        I am almost sure that there were only a few Jews in the Wehrmacht. Jews guards of concentration camps, yes, there were. There were also groups of Jews that got corpses from the gas chambers. I didn’t hear about the Jews. I will say one thing: Jews, as a people, have a right to their bastards.
        1. Anarchist
          Anarchist 20 February 2018 14: 49
          +11
          To paraphrase I’ll say that bastards, as a class, have a right to their Jews. And not only Jews ... Each nation / nationality has its own ... Yes, but we don’t shout about the genocide of Russian, Soviet ...
          We are not oppressed, We are the winners!
          1. Imh
            Imh 20 February 2018 15: 13
            +1
            We made our conclusions, re-educated and Temer, we are also winners.
            1. Alexkorzun
              Alexkorzun 20 February 2018 15: 28
              -1
              Quote: IMH
              I am almost sure that there were only a few Jews in the Wehrmacht. Jews guards of concentration camps, yes, there were. There were also groups of Jews that got corpses from the gas chambers. I didn’t hear about the Jews. I will say one thing: Jews, as a people, have a right to their bastards.

              Read:
              http://repin.info/sekretnye-materialy/evrei-gitle
              ra-150-000-soldat-vermahta
              http://maxpark.com/community/politic/content/5782
              965
              https://lsvsx.livejournal.com/149521.html
              1. Imh
                Imh 20 February 2018 16: 04
                +1
                These are not arguments.
                1. sogdy
                  sogdy 21 February 2018 07: 20
                  0
                  Well, purely historical reflections.
                  Germany as a country was proclaimed in the middle of the 19th century. Which does not mean that this conglomerate has become a country.
                  From 1918 to 1926 it is not worth talking about a united Germany.
                  Who lived on these lands? Why are Siberian versions of Yiddish and German practically indistinguishable? And when you talk about Jews, do Germans understand you?
                  Since the Moors (Punic, and if Cho - Carthaginians) became extinct and assimilated, only Jews remained. On the lands of the duchy was officially the refuge of the Jews. By 1930, the main contingent of Germanic lands was of Jewish origin, both from the communities and those who had long left the communities and faith. With the rest, not located on Russian lands, it is even more interesting - no one could show belonging to German origin, at least at the level of a slave.
                  That was the beginning of the “purge in the name of unity”.
                  By the way, the German Jews came to Israel a scanty part - the rest are recognized as goyim. The first settlers are Bessarabs. Documents, nothing can be done.

                  I’m not going to prove anything at all, for a rude fact.
            2. Maz
              Maz 20 February 2018 20: 29
              +1
              Quote: IMH
              We made our conclusions, re-educated and Temer, we are also winners.

              Winners of what, the Holocaust?
          2. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 20 February 2018 15: 45
            -1
            Quote: Anarchist
            To paraphrase I’ll say that bastards, as a class, have a right to their Jews. And not only Jews ... Each nation / nationality has its own ... Yes, but we don’t shout about the genocide of Russian, Soviet ...
            We are not oppressed, We are the winners!

            Including Soviet Jews who fought at the front? )))
            Decide on the word we. The Soviet people, only Russians, Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians? Who are we?
            1. Anarchist
              Anarchist 20 February 2018 16: 00
              +5
              Quote: Krasnodar
              Who are we?

              Quote: Krasnodar
              Soviet people!

              Quote: Krasnodar
              Including Soviet Jews who fought at the front

              Quote: Krasnodar
              Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians

              And all the rest! Many were not named ...
              Quote: Anarchist
              Soviet ...
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 20 February 2018 16: 21
                0
                Quote: Anarchist
                Quote: Krasnodar
                Who are we?

                Quote: Krasnodar
                Soviet people!

                Quote: Krasnodar
                Including Soviet Jews who fought at the front

                Quote: Krasnodar
                Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians

                And all the rest! Many were not named ...
                Quote: Anarchist
                Soviet ...

                Thank you very much!
                Those. Jews are also among the victors, as part of the Soviet people.
                The question is: what prevents you from perpetuating the memory of the genocide of your own people by Jews? I see this as one of the additional incentives for military service for Israeli youth, for example.
                And it would be nice if Russian young people would have knowledge of the genocide of the Soviet Slavs by the Nazis as an incentive for military service ...
                1. Anarchist
                  Anarchist 20 February 2018 21: 09
                  +6
                  I am not against the memorials of the victims of Nazism, but against the speculation of these topics ... Israelis often refer precisely to the Holocaust when making conflicting decisions!
        2. trump
          trump 21 February 2018 11: 41
          0
          Well, do your bastards, not Polish, according to your Hannah Arendt (Eichmann in Jerusalem), because she writes in her book that the Jews who killed Jews and collaborated with the Germans represented the elite of Jewish society, while other nations-these were marginalized. Let me remind you that Arendt is considered the largest Holocaust researcher.
          Well, tell us about your law KIDUSH HAHAIM, which allows you to save your life for Jews at the cost of the lives of other people, including other Jews
      2. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 20 February 2018 15: 41
        0
        Quote: Anarchist
        C'mon, not only the Poles of the "stigma in the gun":


        How Jews killed Jews during World War II - Rouen News
        news.ru-an.info / ... Jews ... of the world ...
        In addition to the German Jews who served in the Wehrmacht, there were those Jews who guarded the Jewish ghettos, and then, together with the Germans, Lithuanians and Latvians, destroyed their own brothers

        There were quarters in the Wehrmacht - the Mishlig, but even Hitler did not consider them Jews. There were kappo - policemen in the ghetto. There were Jewish brigadiers in concentration camps. I have never heard of guards or read anywhere.
        1. sogdy
          sogdy 21 February 2018 07: 25
          0
          Quote: Krasnodar
          There were Jewish brigadiers in concentration camps. I have never heard of guards or read anywhere.

          An indecent question, but how is the "Jew" in German? and "Jew"?
    2. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 20 February 2018 14: 52
      +8
      Quote: IMH
      Maybe because the Poles participated in the crimes of the Nazis with enthusiasm? Maybe because 2mln slaughtered Poles, in fact this is 2mln. slain Polish Jews? Liars and bastards!
      Poles, just in case, in World War II, not two, but six million were killed. What is surprising - six Jews too. But let’s reassure you — not all of them were Poles at Hitler’s service — there were, for example, the Warsaw ghetto (and much more), there were Hungarian Jews (for example, Auschwitz prisoner, doctor of medicine, compulsory assistant J. Mengele, Hungarian Jew M . Nisli), a little French, Romanian. And, of course, to a great extent Soviet ...
      Strange ... Usually, the God-chosen people know the history of His people better than we, the Mongoloid steppe-Horde people, who gave the God-chosen people their Own, Personal, piece of land in the world (it was Stalin who proposed the creation of the state of Israel if you forgot).
      Not the first year in VO, I know the reaction of the elect of God. Therefore, I warn you immediately g ... s..r ... cha will not! Pour verbal slop into anyone's ears except me.
      1. KonoGon
        KonoGon 20 February 2018 17: 13
        +1
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        (It was Stalin who proposed the creation of the state of Israel, if you forgot).
        Oh, I already made a proposal. At first it was out of the way, then on the connivance, then on permission, now he made a proposal on the initiative. Tomorrow we will hear how Stalin himself, with these hands drained the swamps and, together with Ben Gurion, proclaimed Israeli independence.
        Just in case, "experts on the history of Israel" in the UN Commission of the USSR were not
        After Britain failed to find a solution acceptable to both sides, the question of the political future of Palestine was referred to the UN, where the UNSCOP commission was created; it included representatives of different nations, which was supposed to contribute to the adoption of an objective decision. Most of the member countries of the commission — Guatemala, Canada, the Netherlands, Peru, Uruguay, Czechoslovakia, and Sweden — supported the first option (Partition Plan). Iran, India and Yugoslavia supported the second option, while Australia abstained.
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 20 February 2018 18: 32
          +8
          Quote: KonoGon
          Oh, I already made a proposal. At first it was out of the way, then on the connivance, then on permission, now he made a proposal on the initiative. Tomorrow we will hear how Stalin himself, with these hands drained the swamps and, together with Ben Gurion, proclaimed Israeli independence.
          Just in case, "experts on the history of Israel" in the UN Commission of the USSR were not

          For doubters
          Before the second decisive vote on November 29 of November 1947, Gromyko made a more clear proposal:

          “... Experience in studying the question of Palestine has shown that Jews and Arabs in Palestine do not want or cannot live together. This led to the logical conclusion: if these two peoples living in Palestine, both with deep historical roots in this country, cannot live together within a single state, then there is nothing left but to create instead of one two states - Arab and Jewish. According to the Soviet delegation, no other feasible option can be invented ... "
          I repeat for the dull
          Not the first year in VO, I know the reaction of the elect of God. Therefore, I warn you immediately g ... s..r ... cha will not! Pour verbal slop into anyone's ears except me.
          1. KonoGon
            KonoGon 20 February 2018 19: 13
            +1
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            I repeat for the dull
            For anti-Israeli anti-Semites, I explain more than once... Then I'll draw, so be it. Commission - since May 15, 1947, Gromyko November 29, 1947, turn on the adding machine or use the abacus, I don’t know what you have there, ask your neighbor to explain the difference to you. May 15, 1947 <-> November 29, 1947. Count it.
            1. sogdy
              sogdy 21 February 2018 07: 41
              0
              Quote: KonoGon
              ask your neighbor to explain the difference to you. May 15, 1947 <-> November 29, 1947. Count it.

              What do you want to say? Or do you want to?
              Remind about 42-43 and Czech weapons? Or is it about the lease of the British base ended? The question that was decided by the notorious commission was “the money for the rent from poor England is shaking, and there some sort of gangster lives there, kicked out the tenant, pays nothing to anyone”. And _no_ was about to decide the question of a new state.
              You should not use truncated facts that are not relevant to the essence of the issue.
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                1. sogdy
                  sogdy 21 February 2018 15: 23
                  +1
                  Konogon, still decide whether you are talking about Jews (a concept undefined in many languages) or about Semites (a small Arab tribe, on the basis of which some signs were identified - Arabs)?
                  Most likely, you simply do not understand the issue. Absolutely.
                  So, the Semites are those with whom the Israelis are at war. “There is no greater anti-Semite than a Jewish crosshair” (c) Anatole France.
                  1. KonoGon
                    KonoGon 21 February 2018 15: 32
                    0
                    Item 1.
                    The letter D is present in many words, but for some reason if I say that you are D, everyone will understand what it is about.
                    Item 2.
                    There are many Semites, but when they talk about anti-Semitism, they mean one thing. And if you do not understand what it is about - see point 1.

                    Yes, and do not forget to marry.
                    1. sogdy
                      sogdy 21 February 2018 15: 59
                      0
                      Quote: KonoGon
                      unct 1.
                      The letter D is present in many words, but for some reason if I say that you are D, everyone will understand what it is about.
                      Item 2.
                      There are many Semites, but when they talk about anti-Semitism, they mean one thing. And if you do not understand what it is about - see point 1.

                      Yes, and do not forget to marry.

                      That is, in essence, there is nothing to say. Why did you jump like that?
                      "The 21st century will be the century of myths and myth-making" (c) Yesikov.
                      And reality, little fox, it is completely different. And not even hiding.
                      1. KonoGon
                        KonoGon 21 February 2018 16: 08
                        0
                        Quote: sogdy
                        in essence
                        After reading paragraph 2, you will understand who the definition of anti-Semitism refers to. And if you don’t understand the look of directories, see point 1. Nothing complicated. Where didn’t you understand?
            2. trump
              trump 21 February 2018 11: 51
              0
              Is anti-Semite really bad? The prefix "anti-" etymologically simply means "not", i.e.
              value does not mean
              1. KonoGon
                KonoGon 21 February 2018 12: 20
                0
                Quote: trump
                Is anti-Semite really bad?
                Putin thinks bad
                This generally reminds me of anti-Semitism - the Jews are to blame for everything. You see, he himself can’t do anything - the Jews are to blame.
    3. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 20 February 2018 14: 58
      +3
      Quote: IMH
      Liars and bastards!

      Add - cunning ... hellish. They will try to shake the dough from the Germans under this carton with the Germans. You will see.
    4. sogdy
      sogdy 20 February 2018 15: 18
      0
      Quote: IMH
      Maybe because 2 million. killed Poles, in fact it is 2 million. slain Polish Jews?

      Poles killed 19,8 million. Of these, 2 million at the fronts. Learn the story first.
      And yes, the International Conference on the Holocaust (yes, Turkish) counted, like our State Prosecutor's Office, 2,3 million people who died in the camps, on transfers, the labor front and as a result of the executions of Jews. With the "Jewish pogroms" it was even cooler - for the entire 20th century - less than a hundred with the greatest stretch.
      And do not forget - the Russian Federation does not recognize the Holocaust.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 20 February 2018 15: 51
        -1
        Quote: sogdy
        Quote: IMH
        Maybe because 2 million. killed Poles, in fact it is 2 million. slain Polish Jews?

        Poles killed 19,8 million. Of these, 2 million at the fronts. Learn the story first.
        And yes, the International Conference on the Holocaust (yes, Turkish) counted, like our State Prosecutor's Office, 2,3 million people who died in the camps, on transfers, the labor front and as a result of the executions of Jews. With the "Jewish pogroms" it was even cooler - for the entire 20th century - less than a hundred with the greatest stretch.
        And do not forget - the Russian Federation does not recognize the Holocaust.

        ?????
        Since 2003, the Holocaust theme in Russia has been included in the draft state standard for historical education, as a result of which it has become mandatory in textbooks. [⇨] In addition, Holocaust denial in Russia can be prosecuted. [⇨]
        https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Отрицание_Холокос
        ta_v_Rossii

        Where do you get the information from? )))
        Does someone whisper to you? In a dream? ;) Or just voices bother ..?
        1. sogdy
          sogdy 21 February 2018 07: 48
          0
          In Russia, the topic of the Holocaust will NEVER be discussed.
          The denial of the losses of the USSR in the Second World War was prosecuted and will be prosecuted. "Holocaust Denial" - in Russian, this phrase has no meaning and interpretation. In Russian, the thought does not turn that way.
          All questions to American-Ukrainian authors on Wiki.

          For example:
          "Does your dog bite?" - "But why don’t you see? It’s worth drooling at you."
          For there is no such form in Russian.
  4. Ascetic
    Ascetic 20 February 2018 14: 40
    +6
    The Poles themselves took an active part in the extermination of Jews in Poland - both collaborators and Polish nationalists. On July 10, 1941, in the village of Edvabne, the Poles committed a brutal pogrom of Jews, killing several hundred people, and burned the rest alive. More than 1500 Jews, including women and children, died in Edwabna. According to historians, the participation of Poles in the genocide was massive. The Poles organized at least thirty pogroms and mass repressions, organized in 24 settlements]. At the hands of the Poles, according to the most minimal estimates, tens of thousands of Jews died.
    It is necessary to remember about the genocide of the Germans by the Poles
    On September 3, 1939, units of the Polish army, gendarmerie and police, as well as individual civilians, carried out mass killings of the German civilians in Bydgoszcz (formerly German Bromberg), Schulitz, as well as in dozens of cities in the Poznan (Posen) area. The killings of German civilians were striking in their brutality. Among the dead were babies and young children with their hands tied back and skulls proliferated, young girls punctured with bayonets, old people burnt alive. In Bromberg, a Protestant church was burned, dozens of German houses were destroyed and robbed.

    Often, people were disfigured beyond recognition, making it difficult to identify them. 15 of thousands of corpses were identified, but many bodies were unidentified, and according to some information, about 58 of thousands of people were killed.

    It was impossible to criticize “brotherly” Soviet Poland in the USSR, and today, after the myth of “Katyn” was introduced into the minds of humanity, throwing a stone into the garden of the “unfortunate victim” of Nazism and Bolshevism, which Poland represents in the West, is simply not a gut.

    The Polish authorities themselves are tactfully silent about this monstrous crime of their predecessors, as well as about many others - against Russians and Jews, first of all.
    This is only one of the episodes, and the fact that the Poles did with the Germans and Jews after the war cannot be described,
    1. sogdy
      sogdy 20 February 2018 15: 30
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      Quote: Ascetic
      The Poles themselves took part - both collaborators and Polish nationalists.

      I missed the facts of the same brutal destruction of the administration, collaborators and nationalists. The bill is clearly not in their favor (340 thousand + up to a million collaborators, armed, Belarus and Russia). This is their civilian showdown. Leave them cockroaches to them. Even the Polish community of Russia does not go there.
  5. Alex-a832
    Alex-a832 20 February 2018 14: 47
    +6
    An amazingly consistent nation! They talk about the genocide of the Poles by Nazi Germany and immediately destroy the monuments to the Soviet soldier who saved the Poles from the genocide. Kochan apparently did not take into account the "party policy." Here either - or, what is called.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 20 February 2018 14: 55
      +4
      Can they bring claims against us and for Susanin? Like swamp-dense genocide they arranged for their ancestors!
      Sniffing pshekam.
    2. trump
      trump 21 February 2018 17: 01
      0
      Yes, of course, the Hammer Pact - Ribbentrop greatly contributed to the rescue
  6. Radikal
    Radikal 20 February 2018 14: 55
    +1
    In Poland: Why are there Holocaust museums, but no Polocost museums?
    I would extend this question even further ... sad
  7. Professor
    Professor 20 February 2018 15: 41
    +4
    And we do not have a museum telling about the genocide of the Poles.

    Why not? The same "Yad Vashem" talks in detail about the genocide of the Poles. Those. that genocide that the Poles staged. Let him come and study.
    1. trump
      trump 21 February 2018 16: 58
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      If the Poles are such as the Jews represent them, the question arises - how did Polish Jews survive the war, but, as we see, there are a considerable number of screamers left - the inconsistency comes out.
      And for some reason, the Jews raised the question too late - as much as 75 years later it suddenly becomes clear that ......
      and what earlier some problems arose with this?
      Poland just closes the Holocaust enterprise -
      hence the tantrum of the Jews
  8. Rotmistr
    Rotmistr 20 February 2018 15: 41
    +15
    Why there are Holocaust museums, but no Polocost museums

    Need to fix
  9. Dormidont
    Dormidont 20 February 2018 15: 53
    +2
    It smacks of anti-Semitism
  10. high
    high 20 February 2018 16: 44
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    There is a Museum in Ukraine, Memorial to the Victims of the Holodomor
    1. Maz
      Maz 20 February 2018 20: 36
      +3
      The impression that, besides the Jews, no one else died in WWII .... from Toko they ... I wonder why in Germany there is no museum of Germanosta? Such a fiction, put at the service of material needs, is a memory of the victims of fascism. The Germans are also victims - if you follow the idle logic - 17 million Germans died in WWII. What, the Germans and Soviet-Russian do not yell at every corner about the dead? Although they then at times more fell on the battlefields and in the camps. Probably we are not like that. We don’t do gesheft on our own dead. We honor their peace. Remember the mistakes. And do not yell at all forums-give, give, let-how many of our Jews have died ... And how many of our have died? The smell is somehow rotten from this topic. It would be better if they added money to those who were in the camps and still alive. Beggar pennies are paid, sho in Israel, sho in Russia. And from the Germans they provide soundly.
  11. Irokez
    Irokez 20 February 2018 18: 17
    +2
    Quote: sogdy
    Poles killed 19,8 million. Of these, 2 million at the fronts. Learn the story first.

    From where such a big figure about the Poles. Almost three times - this is what maximalism rolls over.
    1. sogdy
      sogdy 21 February 2018 07: 59
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      Quote: Irokez
      From where such a big figure about the Poles.

      Polish for 1946. In 1947, confirmed by CP (in fact, the English crown).
    2. sogdy
      sogdy 21 February 2018 15: 39
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      You know, Iroquois, talking to Europeans, especially from countries that have been denazified, I would not be based on these figures. They don’t understand.
      They consider it simple, it was before - it was after (denazification also gave the total number of the population, actually a census).
      This technique is not suitable for the USSR, China, Mongolia, Great Britain, African countries.
      Their estimate of USSR losses is from 70 to 100 million. Including the war in China.
      Do not try to search for the right - a different worldview.
      1. Irokez
        Irokez 21 February 2018 18: 45
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        Quote: sogdy
        They consider it simple, it was before - it became after

        The fact of the matter is that they simply think of the type "I ate four pies, but not a neighbor, but on average we ate two pies." Too simple approach in the account for the necessary indicators.
        1. sogdy
          sogdy 22 February 2018 13: 12
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          Quote: Irokez
          Too simple approach in the account for the necessary indicators.

          Poland after the war began with 19 million. The rest, who added the population, are not Poles. This reasoning has prognostic weight.
          The argument about 6 million losses does not say anything about the country's development trend. Accordingly, it has no prognostic value. And what value does it have? Raise the question of the forcible removal of Poles to the USA / USA? The real fact, but no one raised this issue - for lack of prospects.
          But now this gives reason to talk about the "gain" of America - increased cash income (shaw, are they eating money, or what?), The population. In short, collected bonuses. But the WWII and the intervention in Russia greatly lowered them.
          But this is no longer the topic.
    3. trump
      trump 21 February 2018 17: 04
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      I think that the real number of total losses in Poland is 6 million, of which 3 are Jews and 3 Poles and other peoples
      1. sogdy
        sogdy 22 February 2018 13: 16
        0
        Quote: trump
        I think that the real total loss in Poland is 6 million

        see above. In general, this is a discussion from the Polish community.
  12. Slovak
    Slovak 20 February 2018 18: 32
    +2
    We would start with a museum dedicated to the crimes of Poles against Russians, Ukrainians, Jews, and others. Materials - the sea and work are immeasurable
  13. trump
    trump 21 February 2018 13: 45
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    Quote: KonoGon
    Quote: trump
    Is anti-Semite really bad?
    Putin thinks bad
    This generally reminds me of anti-Semitism - the Jews are to blame for everything. You see, he himself can’t do anything - the Jews are to blame.


    Oh, finally, for a Jew, Putin is an authority.
    But about anti-Semitism: if you believe historians, including Jewish, then anti-Semitism has existed always and everywhere, since ancient times - it turns out, based on your theory of anti-Semitism, that always (!!) and everywhere (!!!) are to blame, on the contrary, those around you peoples, i.e.
    non-Jews. You Jews, as it turns out, are something like saints and innocents. Given the double morality of Judaism, anti-Semitism seems to be a natural and even justified phenomenon.
    1. KonoGon
      KonoGon 21 February 2018 15: 34
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      Quote: trump
      Considering the double morality of Judaism
      Again a specialist in Judaism. Go to school child. Go on.
      1. trump
        trump 21 February 2018 17: 13
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        So EVERYTHING IS KNOWN FOR A LONG TIME - type in Google “Russian double morality” in Google and get
        250 results, but more in English will be:
        query "jewish double morality" gives 17 700 000 results - so everyone has long known everything, you need to learn
      2. Professor
        Professor 21 February 2018 18: 46
        +2
        Quote: KonoGon
        Quote: trump
        Considering the double morality of Judaism
        Again a specialist in Judaism. Go to school child. Go on.

        School will not help here. Hopeless case.
        1. trump
          trump 21 February 2018 19: 23
          +1
          Yes, it’s ultrasupernationalism and chauvinism that they have blamed all nations for centuries without exception for anti-Semitism - this is a truly hopeless case, this is not good for your hutspa
    2. Irokez
      Irokez 21 February 2018 18: 48
      +2
      Quote: trump
      anti-Semitism seems a natural and even justified phenomenon

      There is no smoke without fire and that’s it. As they say, who craps the most and gets in the face.
  14. sogdy
    sogdy 22 February 2018 12: 48
    0
    KonoGon,
    So where are such stupid take ?!
    In plain text, Putin told the Israeli prime minister that Israel is spreading rot against the Semites (Egyptians and Palestinians), and "anti-Semitism is not good."
    Well, "points" from such a naive viewer turn the envelope ...
    For the future, there are no fools at the government level. Absolutely. (A fresh tale about a zombie lady is a tale for internal use.) All the fools stayed downstairs and called the government and those around it.