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Why the lad Canadian carbine?

As it became known the other day, the military department of Ukraine intends to carry out large-scale re-equipment of its units. AK-74 and AKM, which are individual weapons APU militants must be replaced by Canadian-made assault rifles.

Why the lad Canadian carbine?

The agreement on the supply of 100 000 units of these weapons in the near future must be concluded between the Kiev authorities and a subsidiary of the American company Colt by the Canadian company Diemaco / Colt Canada.

This is a Canadian version of the American M-16 rifle - C-7, and M-4 rifles - C-8. They differ from the American prototype in a simplified version of a diopter sight. Canadians are greatly encouraged by the upcoming deal. These rifles were already delivered to Denmark, the Netherlands, France, to Afghanistan. But the volumes were completely different. For example, 2007 rifles were sold to Afghanistan in 2500 year.

Kiev propagandists are also very pleased with the upcoming deal, which, in their opinion, confirms that the West supports the “struggle of Ukraine” and expands its military-technical cooperation with it.

However, the enthusiasm and enthusiasm of the propagandists are not shared by Ukrainian experts, wondering why this deal is needed at all. In particular, one of them, Dmitry Snegirev, sharply criticized it on the grounds that the production of NATO 5,56x 45 cartridges used in these rifles is not in Ukraine.

But if to take into account that at the moment the only Ukrainian cartridge factory is located in Lugansk, then we can assume that Kiev has no production and patrons of Soviet standards. Of course, some of their reserves are available, although they are no longer limitless.

Moreover, last fall it was reported about plans to create, again with the help of Canada, a joint venture for the production of Western standard ammunition in Ukraine. That is, the problem in the long run can be solved. Much more puzzling is the choice of weapons. It must be admitted that the assault rifles of the AR family, with all their undoubted advantages, such as a good balance, well-thought-out ergonomics, and high accuracy, are considered by the Western military as obsolete and exhausted modernization resources. It is not by chance that in the USA since the end of the last century, the Pentagon and the USMC announced several programs to replace the M-16 and M-4 rifles in service.

It is known that AR-ki, among other things, are not a model of reliability, and demanding care. And it is obvious that it will not be easy for the Ukrainian military, who are “spoiled” with Kalashnikov weapons, with the “Canadians,” at least at first.

And finally, the financial side of the issue. After all, C-7 and C-8 rifles are not the cheapest. If Ukraine needs to use the NATO 5,56X45 cartridge, it could be much cheaper to buy Kalashnikovs of this caliber from Bulgaria. After all, the standard of the North Atlantic bloc applies only to the cartridge, and not to the weapon under it. However, in a number of countries that recently joined NATO, small arms from the time of the ATS continue to be used, and ammunition is being released under it.

By the way, as the Ukrainian resource reports, at the moment, about a million AK-74 and RPK-74 machines are at the disposal of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, and not nearly as many AK-47, AKM and PKK. With such an arsenal, Ukraine for a long time can not worry about rearming its military.

In Kiev, they say that they consider the presence of Soviet weapons in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, as a relic of a dark past, from which we must get rid of as soon as possible. But, for example, the Finns fought the Winter and Second World War with Mosin rifles, appreciating this “remnant” of the Russian Empire. And then, after the war, they adopted their own modernization of the AK.

In the end, the Ukrainian propagandists could simply declare that the AK design was actually stolen by the “Muscovites” from any genius nugget with which Ukraine is so rich. Well, or even to “find out” that Mikhail Timofeevich was, in reality, a Kalashenko Ukrainian, forced to hide his nationality from the NKVD.

But the most surprising thing is that in Ukraine automatic machines for small-caliber NATO cartridge are already being produced. We are talking about manufactured under license Fort-221 - the Ukrainian version of the Israeli machine "Tavor" TAR-21, which comes in not too large quantities in units of the National Guard.

Why not increase the production of these weapons, instead of buying rifles from Canada? Although the cost of production of "Fort" in Ukraine is high and close to world prices, it is still lower than C-8.

But that's not all. Just over a year ago, Kiev proudly announced that it had received a license from the United States to manufacture M-4 carbines. In January, 2017 of the year, Ukroboronprom announced that the state corporation’s enterprises in cooperation with the American corporation Aeroscraft will produce the M16 assault rifle (in reality, the M-4 carbine), which is a modern weapon that combines many years of experience use in combat conditions. "

It was reported that "The start of the production of the M16 in Ukraine is a step, although in many ways symbolic, towards the separation of Ukraine from its Soviet past by abandoning Soviet weapons and, thus, drawing closer to NATO."

But what is surprising is that the Ukrainian M-4, which received the name WAC47, was created not under the patron of NATO, but under the Soviet M 43, that is, 7,62х39! The authors of the project assured that later, when the Ukrainian Armed Forces fighters mastered the new device, when the release of NATO-standard ammunition began in the country, and Ukraine entered into an alliance, the rifles released could be remade chambered for 5,56Х45.

However, this idea was criticized by American experts who did not participate in the project. For example, the Dakota Wood, a senior research officer at the The Heritage Foundation’s defense programs, said the conversion to a different caliber “It takes a lot of money, so it’s cheaper to buy new rifles designed for NATO ammunition.”

A military expert, Brian Summers, said that it would be necessary to replace not only the barrel and bolt, but also the store, as well as the bottom of the receiver, which is almost equivalent to creating a new rifle.

Skepticism was also voiced by Ukrainian specialists. The director of Defense Express, an information and consulting company, Sergey Zgurets, said that he sees no point in this project at all, since neither NATO patrons nor old Soviet ammunition provide reliable defeat to the enemy using new Russian body armor.

He was supported by the head of the Ukrainian Association of Weapon Owners, George Uchaykin, who remarked: “In my opinion, the issue of small arms is not in the first place. It may be 10 or even 20. We have much more significant problems, for example, with the means of electronic warfare, drones. "

He expressed surprise that the choice of "Ukroboronprom" fell on the company that produces airships, and has no experience in implementing projects in matters of small arms. “Why weren’t brands such as Colt, Remington, Bushmaster that are known all over the world and involved in the supply of weapons to armies all over the world? They have technologies, successful experience in implementing such projects, and their own production facilities, ”the expert wondered.

Indeed, the American company Aeroscraft (aka Worldwide Aeros Corporation, headquartered in Montebello, California) is completely unknown as a manufacturer of small arms, and according to information provided on its website, specializes in the development of balloons, airships and related equipment (including observational and tether masts). However, most of the balloon and airship projects of this company have not been successful and still remain on paper.

It can be assumed that Aeroscraft, headed by US citizen Igor Pasternak, who emigrated to the United States from Lviv in the early 1990-s, was created for a variety of financial frauds, the “air trade”. What the company name itself hints at.
At the beginning, there was a lot of noise around the project, even “prototypes” were made (by the way, a civilian version of the M-4 for the M43 was released in the USA), and tested at the National Guard. Then, on the sly, the project faded away, and they no longer remembered about it.

How much money did Mr. Pasternak and his Ukrainian partners put into their pockets from the Ukrainian budget, история is silent.
Of course, Colt Canada, in contrast to the brainchild of Pasternak, is a respectable and well-known company, but the fact that even now the Kiev authorities intend to spend huge amounts of money on things that the Ukrainian Armed Forces do not need at all leads to certain reflections. Actually, marketers of Western arms corporations, as the latest scandals show, master the art of “kickbacks”.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 20 February 2018 07: 03
    Canadians are excited about the upcoming deal.
    Well, this is WHAT money, for obsolete weapons ...
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 20 February 2018 21: 28
      Nobody will ask the lad. There his "supreme" and junta are free recoil grabbers. They generally “on the drum,” even if the scheme of automation on the principle of a pistol from the movie “Mexican” (with Brad Pitt) will work. hi
  2. raw174
    raw174 20 February 2018 07: 10
    Mdaaa ... Is that another round of decommunization? I wonder how much the cartridge will be sold to them? With the brains it is apparently quite tight! Dreams of NATO and the EU replace the mind of some who are there.
  3. Strashila
    Strashila 20 February 2018 07: 12
    For what ... why, for that ... WHAT ... Canadian troops are howling in Ukraine ... all these feints with lethal weapons are an operation to cover the presence of mercenaries and occupiers from NATO countries. In Canada, a fairly large Ukrainian diaspora ... in the United States there was a special recruitment to the army with knowledge of the Ukrainian language.
  4. inkass_98
    inkass_98 20 February 2018 07: 25
    Yes, even if they are re-equipping Krag-Jorgensen rifles or switching to L85A2. Something from this? The next group of like-minded people will be enriched on patriotic suckers, and that’s all.
    KVU-NSVD 20 February 2018 07: 35
    Moreover, last fall it was reported about plans to create, again with the help of Canada, a joint venture for the production of Western-standard ammunition in Ukraine
    Transferring an entire army to another ammunition and owning its production is a huge jackpot and the goal of the whole Kotovasia with rearmament and even 100000 assault rifles is a trifle compared to this, although it is very pleasant for a single company.
  6. K-50
    K-50 20 February 2018 07: 57
    Currently, the APU has about a million AK-74 and RPK-74 assault rifles, and not about the same number of AK-47, AKM and RPK. With such an arsenal, Ukraine for a long time can not worry about the rearmament of its military.

    A cut dough? Yes, you want to encroach on the holy? belay angry laughing
    It's not a weapon, the main thing is that you can put your little hands in the budget and put something in your pocket.
  7. alex-cn
    alex-cn 20 February 2018 08: 47
    So, specialists, show the points where they are most likely to be stolen here.
    But even if they deliver it, the fact that the Lugansk cartridge does not have to develop new ammunition is encouraging.
    1. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 22 February 2018 02: 00
      In my opinion, the entire cartridge factory together with the staff was transported to Russia.
  8. Kibb
    Kibb 20 February 2018 10: 26
    Why is this article in the "weapons" section?
  9. Serzh_R
    Serzh_R 20 February 2018 10: 39
    Isn’t it time for Russia to announce the supply of the warrior and AK12 with AEK 971 to the armed LPR and the DPR with the worn-out “partners” wording to deter aggressive Ukraine. Why provoke the right sector by the absence of a laser pointer on its head.
  10. igorra
    igorra 20 February 2018 10: 43
    No need to stand between the Jews in power in Ukraine and the next gesheftom. Just think, 10000 goys will die. The Bunny Canopy had a wall who would have a gun ...
  11. Serzh_R
    Serzh_R 20 February 2018 11: 06
    We look at how the United States behaves in Syria - they outlawed legitimate power, armed the opposition, established their bases on the territory of an independent state and regularly strike at government troops where Russian men die.
    What Russia is doing in Ukraine - gives reason to blame itself for all sins .... why, because sanctions have not yet been imposed on everyone or something ....
  12. Antares
    Antares 20 February 2018 12: 22
    maybe Klimkin liked it in Canada

    Look, how I ate.
    In fact, an article from the category, everything can be.
  13. Curious
    Curious 20 February 2018 15: 03
    "As it became known the other day, the military department of Ukraine intends to carry out large-scale rearmament of its units."
    In the very first phrase, let’s say, “some inaccuracy”. Original: Canadian Colt Canada hopes to conclude an agreement with Kiev on re-equipping the Ukrainian army with their assault rifles. ”Colt Canada spokesman Alex Payne told the National Post that a“ research ”meeting with the Ukrainian military took place in January. That is, the issue is being“ investigated ”and about no ambitious plans and concrete there are no examples of speech yet, the point is that the resources of the USSR are not infinite and it is worth thinking about the future, moreover, preferably in advance.
  14. MRomanovich
    MRomanovich 20 February 2018 15: 14
    They differ from the American prototype in a simplified version of the diopter sight

    There seemed to be more differences.
  15. Leonid Har
    Leonid Har 20 February 2018 16: 11
    Want to torture yourself with M4 cleaning? Yes please. Let them clean 4 times a day. If they are too lazy, they will become prey for Donbass militias.
  16. Vladimir dronov
    Vladimir dronov 20 February 2018 17: 07
    Well, why? Change to vodka and lard! Militias do not mind, on the contrary!
  17. D-Master
    D-Master 20 February 2018 17: 14
    In such matters, logic is powerless. The main thing is not Soviet, and that it would be possible to cut the budget ....
  18. M0xHaTka
    M0xHaTka 20 February 2018 19: 22
    Who pays ?
  19. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 24 February 2018 00: 22
    Quote: M0xHaTka
    Who pays ?

    But who:
    For a month Zhytomyr transferred to the budget more than 8 million UAH of military duty
    15 February 2018, 16: 31
    .. payers of military duty are individuals - residents and non-residents who receive income in Ukraine. The military fee, which is transferred to the modernization and reform of the Ukrainian army, is paid in the amount of 1,5% of the taxable object, as defined in Article 163 of the Tax Code of Ukraine.