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Alexey Pushkov commented on the Ukrainian ban on the supply of aircraft engines in the Russian Federation D-436

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Representative of the Federation Council Alexey Pushkov commented on Ukraine's decision to ban deliveries to Russia aviation engines D-436. Let us recall that Ukraine has introduced a ban on the supply of aircraft engines used in civil aviation. Previously, such engines produced by the Motor Sich Production Association were used to equip Be-200 and An-148 aircraft.


Alexey Pushkov commented on the Ukrainian ban on the supply of aircraft engines in the Russian Federation D-436


Alexey Pushkov tweeted:
Kiev in its repertoire: banned the delivery to Russia of engines for the An-148. There is no one to supply them anymore. But they wipe their hands in Kiev: there will be no orders, there will be no income, but the main thing is to annoy Moscow.


The ban on the supply of D-436 engines by Motor Sich to the Russian Federation is confirmed by Deputy Industry Minister Oleg Bocharov. He spoke about the situation during a speech to members of parliament.

In Ukraine itself, opinions on the “motor” ban were divided. Radically minded segments of society announced a big “peremog”, and those who have the ability to think critically, called this step another blow to the Ukrainian industry.
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  1. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 19 February 2018 18: 34
    +7
    An-148 aircraft will no longer be produced. Engines are needed for scheduled repairs and replacements. Motor-Sich from this, probably, will not go broke. But there’s not much good for him either.
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 19 February 2018 18: 42
      +3
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      An-148 aircraft will no longer be produced. Engines are needed for scheduled repairs and replacements. Motor-Sich from this, probably, will not go broke. But there’s not much good for him either.

      Didn't the Be-200 engines start making in Rybinsk?
      1. engineer74
        engineer74 19 February 2018 18: 52
        +42
        They were not tried in Rybinsk, but in Moscow. But then they decided that it was easier to buy, then another classmate - SAM-146 in Rybinsk was washed down. I think for the Be-200 they’ll come up with something from the PD-14 line, and the An-148 and others like it will go down in history as the project “How not to do it!”
        IMHO
        1. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 19 February 2018 19: 40
          +4
          Quote: engineer74
          I think for the Be-200 something from the PD-14 line will come up

          only it will most likely be like with engines for the Navy - it has not yet been put into production, although it has already gone for the 4th year.
          1. The black
            The black 19 February 2018 19: 52
            +19
            The junta does everything Washington prescribes. Fear of the master is stronger than common sense. However, the junta personally does not lose anything. they are just the same fattening .... Petsyunder got the hang of eating one snout that he will soon overtake Bill Gates .... Well, let Petkin’s people suck on their paws .... they deserve ....
            1. Pete mitchell
              Pete mitchell 20 February 2018 01: 09
              +3
              Quote: Black
              . Well, let Petkin’s people even suck .... they deserve ....

              Sorry for the plagiarism ..
          2. user1212
            user1212 20 February 2018 05: 00
            +2
            Quote: Stirbjorn
            as with engines for the Navy, they have not yet been put into production, although they have already gone for the 4th year.

            In January, launched
            https://topwar.ru/133565-odk-saturn-zapustilo-v-p
            roizvodstvo-pervye-seriynye-gazoturbinnye-dvigate
            li-dlya-vmf-rf.html
        2. Ziksura
          Ziksura 19 February 2018 20: 32
          +11
          Quote: engineer74
          then another classmate - SAM-146 in Rybinsk gash.

          19 February 2018 year
          "And yet, Russia has long understood the possibility of such a scenario."
          “The Be-200 aircraft can be remotorized with the help of the Russian-French power plant SaM146, which is produced in Rybinsk. The technical feasibility of such remotorization is confirmed by the results of work carried out jointly by the manufacturer of the Be-200 and PowerJet aircraft, ”said the representative of the UEC.

          The PowerJet joint venture was created on equal terms with the French SafranAircraftEngines and UEC Saturn (part of UEC). Rybinsk Saturn is responsible for the development and production of a fan and a low-pressure compressor, a low-pressure turbine, the general assembly of the SaM146 engine and its tests, and SafranAircraftEngines - for a high-pressure compressor, a combustion chamber, a high-pressure turbine, an assembly of units, self-propelled guns, and integration of a power plant . SaM146 turbojet engine, as well as its production are certified according to EASA and AR IAC standards. This engine has been actively used on the SSJ-100 for seven years. "

          Something like this hi
          1. BVS
            BVS 19 February 2018 20: 45
            +5
            And then the French will not go to sanctions?
          2. hydrox
            hydrox 19 February 2018 20: 53
            +2
            Quote: Ziksura
            on an SSJ-100 for seven years. "

            Come on!
            This yeroplan only went to the series last year - where did 7 years come from? All the more, there are sound sickly rumors that problems with this engine already have a shape ...
            1. Morozyaka
              Morozyaka 19 February 2018 21: 28
              +20
              Well then, it turns out I’ve been flying a prototype for several years. I’ll go claim the title of passenger test. I wonder how many deserved flights will give? laughing
              1. AlexVas44
                AlexVas44 20 February 2018 08: 24
                +1
                Quote: Morozyaka
                I wonder how many deserved flights will give?

                Passengers are probably posthumous. He's a ballast in flight. laughing
            2. vovanpain
              vovanpain 19 February 2018 21: 50
              +11
              Quote: hydrox
              Come on!
              This yeroplan only went to the series last year - where did 7 years come from? T

              I will give up laughing tell me, dear, when the first serial SAM146 was shipped from Rybinsk to Komsomolsk on Amur, I can give a hint, today more than 300 SAM146 engines have been released. laughing wink
              1. hydrox
                hydrox 20 February 2018 19: 17
                +2
                Themselves are engines for Russia as alien and toxic to our sovereignty as the Sichev ones, so I wouldn’t rub my hands in happiness if you weren’t able to master the mass production of a line of engines for drones - just right in front of the military in front of the military on the asphalt bleed, begging forgiveness for the losses due to horseradish intelligence and target designation. I understand that the Crimean gas turbine scandal is nothing, only hundreds of such things mean a bare ass looking out of torn pants ...
                And you can applaud the release of imported engines by Russian enterprises ...
                1. vovanpain
                  vovanpain 20 February 2018 21: 46
                  +4
                  Quote: hydrox
                  And you can applaud the release of imported engines by Russian enterprises ..

                  And I’m a nice man, I don’t applaud, I earn my bread on them, and not only on the female, yes greetings from Rybinsk, from the UTK Saturn, where I’ve plowed for more than 20 years, and the first serial one was shipped back in August 2010 and there is no need for a colleague to sing about bare ass songs. hi
          3. not main
            not main 19 February 2018 22: 13
            +2
            Quote: Ziksura
            Quote: engineer74
            then another classmate - SAM-146 in Rybinsk gash.

            19 February 2018 year
            "And yet, Russia has long understood the possibility of such a scenario."
            “The Be-200 aircraft can be remotorized with the help of the Russian-French power plant SaM146, which is produced in Rybinsk. The technical feasibility of such remotorization is confirmed by the results of work carried out jointly by the manufacturer of the Be-200 and PowerJet aircraft, ”said the representative of the UEC.

            The PowerJet joint venture was created on equal terms with the French SafranAircraftEngines and UEC Saturn (part of UEC). Rybinsk Saturn is responsible for the development and production of a fan and a low-pressure compressor, a low-pressure turbine, the general assembly of the SaM146 engine and its tests, and SafranAircraftEngines - for a high-pressure compressor, a combustion chamber, a high-pressure turbine, an assembly of units, self-propelled guns, and integration of a power plant . SaM146 turbojet engine, as well as its production are certified according to EASA and AR IAC standards. This engine has been actively used on the SSJ-100 for seven years. "

            Something like this hi

            In short, the NATO “hot” zone of the engine? And without the “hot” everything else can be thrown away!
    2. svp67
      svp67 19 February 2018 19: 08
      +3
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Motor-Sich from this probably will not go broke

      So, the engines for our turntables are taboo, for missiles - taboo, now for An - taboo. This plant was created for the production of engines of the Soviet project, for Soviet aircraft. I don’t know who else might need them now?
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 19 February 2018 19: 42
        +41
        Your approach is strange: in real Russia is experiencing motor hunger in ALL industries, except tanks and reactors.
        A long time ago, back in the 80s, it was necessary to make a new engine for the IL-76 (the old emergency one from the birth of the D-30 cost the lives of hundreds of people and dozens of cars). With enormous difficulty they penetrated the PS-90A, this year they already flew, but have not yet received a certificate.
        Well, right, because half a century has not passed yet !! laughing
        And take the PD lineup: at least one engine from the lineup is already working ?? No.
        And why is our Army for 20 years left AT ALL without shock drones? Is it because engines are not issued for drones, and NO are issued from the word ABSOLUTELY.
        It’s not just an industrial power, but some kind of village forge.
        That’s the question: what’s the hell Putin has for such a MinPromTorg, which with great success can only issue defective statements and purchase gold Rolls-Royces, but he cannot fulfill its direct functions.
        Or maybe the whole Manturov team, together with the Rogozinsky ones, should be scattered, recruited a new one and transferred to the barracks mode sharashki together with all the motor design bureaus, so that in two years they would have pilot working engines with a full set of documentation for a completely ALL spectrum of those engines that Russia does not produce now, and buys (compressor engines are included here, like gas-powered aircraft engines.
        So, after all, we lack neither automobile nor tractor engines - what did the Prospect do to reduce the deficit and hunger?
        It's nothing.
        Then where is Putin looking?
        1. lis-ik
          lis-ik 19 February 2018 19: 51
          +13
          Probably watching loud talk shows how everything is bad in Ukraine.
          1. svp67
            svp67 20 February 2018 03: 47
            +1
            Quote: lis-ik
            Probably watching loud talk shows how everything is bad in Ukraine.

            Well, then you know that in Ukraine EVERYTHING IS GREAT ...
        2. kapitan92
          kapitan92 19 February 2018 20: 06
          +21
          Quote: hydrox
          With enormous difficulty they penetrated the PS-90A, this year they already flew, but have not yet received a certificate.

          Quote: hydrox
          Then where is Putin looking?

          To begin with, we will determine what role V.V. Putin to 2011 american company Pratt & Whitney terminated its cooperation with Perm Engine Company and Aviadvigatel OJSC and sold its stakes in the United Engine Corporation (UEC), as well as transferred all rights to the technologies used in PS-90A2.
          If you are not in the know, I’m ready to explain to you who sold Perm Plant to mattresses.
          1. hydrox
            hydrox 19 February 2018 20: 31
            +3
            Quote: kapitan92
            If you are not in the know, I’m ready to explain to you who sold Perm Plant to mattresses.

            I’m a little aware, but I’ll listen with pleasure (and I’m not the only one - everyone will be interested), so please be kind enough to find us all 15 minutes.
            1. kapitan92
              kapitan92 19 February 2018 20: 55
              +15
              Quote: hydrox
              find us all 15 minutes

              And you do not tie everyone under your pseudo-propaganda post! 3 minutes is enough for me.
              Quote: hydrox
              A bit in the know, but I will listen with pleasure

              It so happened that I am also a little aware.
              Meeting held in Perm under the leadership of the head of the Russian Government Mikhail Kasyanov, “Put an end to the question of creating a Center for Russian engine building in Prikamye.”
              "Mikhail Kasyanov was interested in the opinion of experts on the role of the Perm center of engine building in the Russian aircraft industry."
              Representative of the aircraft engine manufacturer Pratt & Whitney ("Price & Whitney", USA) Tom Hayek said that after analyzing the situation at all enterprises in Russia For investment, the company chose the Perm Engine Plant. Why is there so much interest? laughing
              Or maybe the whole team of Manturov, together with the Rogozinsky, should be dispersed, a new one should be transferred and the sharashki should be switched to the barracks mode together with all the motor design bureaus so that in two years they would have pilot working engines with a full set of documentation

              This is from your post. The forum has a lot of couch strategists and cheers - leaders! hi
        3. Svarog
          Svarog 19 February 2018 20: 16
          +11
          Quote: hydrox
          It’s not just an industrial power, but some kind of village forge.

          So it is, we do not have industry, we have continuous "breakthroughs", but when it comes to the specifics, it turns out that these were slogans ..
          Quote: hydrox
          Or maybe the whole team of Manturov, along with the Rogozinsky, can be dispersed, or recruited

          And not only these, everyone needs to be driven there, with those who are in charge of all this disgrace ..


          Quote: hydrox
          Then where is Putin looking?

          Anywhere, just not for the real needs of the country .. He broke away from reality ..
        4. spirit
          spirit 19 February 2018 21: 22
          +5
          Putin is tired) he is not up to it, the galley is tired)
        5. Andryukha G
          Andryukha G 19 February 2018 21: 34
          0
          God forbid someone reads you sensible thoughts and translates them into the right things for Russia.
        6. Lexus
          Lexus 19 February 2018 22: 46
          +4
          Well, CD and working samples will do and then what? Nowhere to produce and nothing. They also need to build factories.
          In Russia, now everything is so ruined that bearings are being brought from China (we don’t do ours anymore, although yesterday I read the news that a new factory was opened near Vladimir). Machine tool building was over, even the cutters for Soviet lathes and those Chinese.
          Everything will have to be rebuilt in a new way. Evolutionary way. What Putin is trying to do.
          That's just he was not lucky with the team!)) Apparently he had to be told that he would be better off looking for young talents, such as the sons of Rogozin and Sechin - geniuses! Really, among the butlers and other Medvedevs there is no genius for a young relative ?! But such minds. Without these, we can’t rebuild Russia!
          1. edeligor
            edeligor 20 February 2018 09: 16
            +2
            Quote: Lexus
            But he was not lucky with the team!))

            Somewhere I already heard this ... Luck, buddy, this is the first 4 years ... And then about that dancer with the "Sharunduls."
        7. Rostislav
          Rostislav 20 February 2018 01: 26
          +1
          Eh, I really want everything to appear all at once.
          1. krops777
            krops777 20 February 2018 04: 48
            +4
            Eh, I really want everything to appear all at once.


            Golden words, but the reality is that the collapse of the Union and the EBN did not pass the period for the country, the country is still actually under the US occupation (from 1 to 2 billion dollars a day tribute), they only opposed, against those sanctions, Russia enemy and aggressor, etc., and given that in many leading places pro-Western proteges are controlled by American consulting firms (who are interested in http://politus.ru/v-rossii/1465-rossiey-upravlyay
            ut-amerikanskie-konsaltingovye-kompanii-pravitels
            tvo-lish-ispolnyaet-ih-volyu.html), it’s very difficult to raise the industry, especially science-intensive in such conditions, or you can only hear Putin’s fault, the team isn’t coming down from heaven comrades forum users.
            1. edeligor
              edeligor 20 February 2018 09: 28
              +2
              Quote: krops777
              otherwise you hear Putin’s fault, the team is not the same

              Who? The deceased EBN ?! slave in the galleys ?! "Where is the truth, brother?"
              Quote: krops777
              the country is still actually under US occupation

              So before you measure "aggregates" with the occupier, was it worth leaving the zone, and not be proud of the "ready for everything" people? slave in the galleys ?!
              Quote: krops777
              to raise industry, especially knowledge-intensive in such conditions, is not easy

              And what prevented this from being done before 2014 and not waiting for “such conditions”? Slave on the galleys ?!
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      2. Kars
        Kars 19 February 2018 20: 23
        +3
        Would you want to agree with Boguslaev to buy through third countries)
        Well, if necessary, of course)
      3. zivXP
        zivXP 19 February 2018 20: 34
        0
        This plant was created for the production of engines of the Soviet project, for Soviet aircraft

        They still have to go on the production of pots
    3. tol100v
      tol100v 19 February 2018 19: 13
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Motor-Sich from this, probably, will not go broke.

      It will not go bankrupt if it starts selling them to Boeing!
      1. IL-18
        IL-18 19 February 2018 19: 18
        +2
        Airbus is also in line.
      2. 73bor
        73bor 19 February 2018 19: 50
        +3
        Yeah, four years have passed, even though they began to sell something to someone, to nobody and nothing even to some seedy Gabon! ? But the United States, they are for nothing?
    4. Shura Sailors
      Shura Sailors 19 February 2018 19: 53
      +4
      And what will you equip the Be-200 with? No, the fact that over time build-adapt your engine by itself. The question is when? And we need airplanes now
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 19 February 2018 21: 21
        +3
        This is from the series on the account of frostbitten ears and caps with ears.
        A simple question for not the brothers - but where will you get the engines? Who will buy?
        So let's see who will find a replacement earlier, and who will sell engines before?
        Although everything is stupid, as it is.
      2. Genry
        Genry 19 February 2018 22: 08
        0
        Quote: Shura of the sailors
        And what will you equip the Be-200 with? No, the fact that over time build-adapt your engine by itself. The question is when?

        For the first time, there is a suitable superjet ... Then from the PD-14 series (PD-7?).
      3. vovanpain
        vovanpain 19 February 2018 23: 28
        +4
        Quote: Shura of the sailors
        And what will you equip the Be-200 with?

        SAM-146 is yes Classmates with D 436.
      4. svp67
        svp67 20 February 2018 03: 49
        +3
        Quote: Shura of the sailors
        And what will you equip the Be-200 with?

        This is no longer your concern. Prepare barrels for salting D-436 .... Yes and THANKS to you. Without such “pendals”, our “Medvedev and K Corporation” does not want to do anything, and so we have a NEW motor production, new jobs ...
    5. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 20 February 2018 01: 44
      +1
      Another ears frozen to evil mom ...
  2. Dave36
    Dave36 19 February 2018 18: 35
    +13
    For that honestly ... Americans are twisting eggs for us, and we give them Titanium, RD180 ..... but koments ....))
    1. Korax71
      Korax71 19 February 2018 22: 44
      0
      And there are many who want to get to the ???? Идет???? Тит тит идет идет тит тит тит тит тит тит тит тит тит тит тит тит тит тит тит тит тит тит тит тит тит тит тит тит тит тит ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? много много много много много много много много много много много много много много много много много много много много много много много много много много много много много many people want on the contract ????? perennial contract. The benefit is mutual, because Russia is not chasing it for nothing. they seem to be trying to introduce composite materials. According to RD 180, they did not renew the contract either.
  3. engineer74
    engineer74 19 February 2018 18: 46
    +2
    As if the "gray" deliveries did not start ... That's what's scary ...
    1. 210ox
      210ox 19 February 2018 18: 59
      +2
      What is scary? For the quality? Or the fact that the engines will still be. Airplanes need to be repaired ..
      Quote: engineer74
      As if the "gray" deliveries did not start ... That's what's scary ...
      1. engineer74
        engineer74 19 February 2018 19: 15
        +4
        For the quality, of course! More precisely for safety - all the same for passenger aircraft - there are no catapults there.
  4. Herculesic
    Herculesic 19 February 2018 18: 54
    +4
    They said a hundred times, you need to create your own for yourself, and here we are reaping the fruits of our shortsightedness.
    1. Sudoplatov
      Sudoplatov 19 February 2018 18: 58
      +18
      who knew, in the 50s of the 20th century, that in 1991 he would come, he would ruin everything, but hell wouldn’t take him to hell, would destroy hell. And there will be Sumerians - skakuasy in the 21st century
      1. IL-18
        IL-18 19 February 2018 19: 20
        +7
        Tagged whole head came in 1985
        1. Sudoplatov
          Sudoplatov 19 February 2018 19: 39
          +7
          sorry for the mistake, he came in 1985, he surely and anyway ruined everything, remember the first clashes in Karabakh
      2. Don
        Don 19 February 2018 21: 34
        +4
        There is no one in power for almost 30 years. And the fact that the neighbors will start jumping could be predicted back in the middle of the 90's. The question is, what did the country's leadership do for more than 20 years to solve these archival tasks? You need to ask directly from them!
      3. Lev Bronsch
        Lev Bronsch 19 February 2018 22: 07
        0
        Of course, it is unlikely to know or foresee such a scenario ... BUT! The location of any high-tech industries that give the maximum surplus value and have obvious strategic importance in the NATO bombing area - 1952, the design bureau and Antonov’s factory moving from Novosib to Kiev - you can’t call a diversion (((. Turkey was already in NATO and 2000 km Amer bombers were already flying into WWII, but intercontinental BRs were still in the bud. With the engine building industry, the motives for placing it on the outskirts of the country (then the USSR) are completely incomprehensible. Although the economy of such an enterprise allows it to be placed anywhere and Accordingly, geopolitical factors are a priority, so you should know what, your opinion ...
    2. hydrox
      hydrox 19 February 2018 20: 46
      0
      Quote: Herkulesich
      here we are reaping the fruits of our shortsightedness.

      This is not our own, this is "liberal" - we are not planning resources and capacities, but Pr ...
    3. Bumblebee_3
      Bumblebee_3 19 February 2018 21: 32
      0
      Herculesych Today, 18:54
      But who should follow your advice? It’s easier for our managers to buy, since there is enough gas, oil and wood.
      P.S. I am also a supporter of my production.
  5. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 19 February 2018 18: 54
    +17
    There are two results of this peerogy: 1) Russia is forced to seek a way out of the situation (import substitution or smuggling) 2) Ukraine is losing money and the production segment, because few people need these engines. Those. we overcome difficulties, and Ukraine creates them for ourselves. The next step towards consistent reindustrialization under the sweet sauce of sanctions for the "aggressor"
    1. 210ox
      210ox 19 February 2018 19: 01
      +2
      Well, we are still far from re-industrialization. Here and engines for ships have not yet been delivered. Although they are urgently needed.
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      There are two results of this peerogy: 1) Russia is forced to seek a way out of the situation (import substitution or smuggling) 2) Ukraine is losing money and the production segment, because few people need these engines. Those. we overcome difficulties, and Ukraine creates them for ourselves. The next step towards consistent reindustrialization under the sweet sauce of sanctions for the "aggressor"
      1. KVU-NSVD
        KVU-NSVD 19 February 2018 19: 03
        +5
        Well, we are still far from re-industrialization.
        I had in mind the reindustrialization of Ukraine hi
        1. 210ox
          210ox 19 February 2018 19: 27
          +5
          Well then forward the prefix .. DEindustrialization.
          Quote: KVU-NSVD
          Well, we are still far from re-industrialization.
          I had in mind the reindustrialization of Ukraine hi
          1. KVU-NSVD
            KVU-NSVD 19 February 2018 19: 37
            +6
            Well then forward the prefix .. DEindustrialization.
            Thanks for the amendment. I’ll be more attentive, I just won’t leave the news about the deceased fighter and I don’t even edit what I’m typing ... Swearing porridge in my head ... it costs not to write anything else today ..
    2. Lev Bronsch
      Lev Bronsch 19 February 2018 22: 13
      +1
      Actually, not so much Ukraine is losing. And this must be honestly recognized. Alas, we are losing more. But we are not only flying here. Maintenance, service functions, spare parts, adjustment are good money. Actually, for example, Antonov actually lived for several years with income from his subsidiary cargo company, which operated Ruslans around the world. And now it is doing it successfully. The engine building will also be in Ukraine - a gradual departure from production to service and slow dying to the delight of other manufacturers. That and God would be with them, but whether our engine-building companies will be among the beneficiaries, that’s the question, what should be done. And in the short term we will have to tight. On this and the whole calculation ...
  6. Sudoplatov
    Sudoplatov 19 February 2018 18: 54
    +5
    Motor Sich already produces meat grinders, now they will produce leashes for cats. "To evil my wife I will cut off the ears below the belt"
    1. tol100v
      tol100v 19 February 2018 19: 16
      +1
      Quote: Sudoplatov
      will now release leashes for cats.

      No carbines!
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon 19 February 2018 19: 54
      +2
      Quote: Sudoplatov
      Motor Sich already produces meat grinders, now they will produce leashes for cats. "To evil my wife I will cut off the ears below the belt"

      Well, what? The Nikolaev shipbuilders of the stove-potbelly stove instead of cruisers let out and do not hum.
    3. BVS
      BVS 19 February 2018 20: 49
      +3
      Are you so worried about what Motor Sich will do? Let them worry, you worry about how you replace the Motor Sich motors.
      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 19 February 2018 21: 32
        +1
        Quote: bvs
        Are you so worried about what Motor Sich will do? Let them worry, you worry about how you replace the Motor Sich motors.

        Maybe this is for the better, because dill stops the supply of engines, because our government does not work without a kick. Without such a “plop”, in spite of all bestiality on the part of the “ill-wishers”, they would still buy their iron, in the hope that someday everything will work out. And so, now you have to turn on the brain and find the means to create your own engine. Sorry for the lost time, but as they say - "Until the thunder strikes ..."
    4. Antares
      Antares 19 February 2018 21: 06
      +1
      Quote: Sudoplatov
      Motor Sich already produces meat grinders, now they will produce leashes for cats. "To evil my wife I will cut off the ears below the belt"

      he produced MS meat grinders for a long time. All the same, it is small compared to engines and equipment.
      1. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 19 February 2018 22: 42
        +4
        Quote: Antares
        MS meat grinders he let out for a long time

        A sinful affair, I decided that the electric. Oh, I was naive in my optimism ... wassat
        Quote: Antares
        All the same, it is small compared to engines and equipment.

        Little? ... Well, if you take the word "little" as a synonym for the word ".....", then yes. yes
  7. Chichikov
    Chichikov 19 February 2018 19: 15
    +1
    Salted! Have a bus, but in spite of a neighbor walking ... better let it rust!
  8. SPIKER
    SPIKER 19 February 2018 19: 22
    +3
    Beautifully imported ... they have nothing to say !!! Well, with An -148 it’s more or less clear, and Be - 200 too ... on the sidelines ??? !!! request
  9. Helicopter122
    Helicopter122 19 February 2018 19: 25
    +2
    Motor Sich has already been sold to the Chinese. Those. parallel production was created in the Middle Kingdom, purchased by CD, people moved. Now Asians will skim the cream from the Soviet pie. Thousands of Mi-8, Mi-24, Ka-32 all over the world need engines.
    1. Sudoplatov
      Sudoplatov 19 February 2018 19: 41
      +1
      The Chinese refused them, they took only the documentation and went to copy
    2. shuravi
      shuravi 19 February 2018 20: 56
      +1
      Quote: Helicopter122
      Motor Sich has already been sold to the Chinese. Those. parallel production was created in the Middle Kingdom, purchased by CD, people moved. Now Asians will skim the cream from the Soviet pie. Thousands of Mi-8, Mi-24, Ka-32 all over the world need engines.



      Well, with this more or less. Though with a creak, but they are increasing the output.
    3. Strashila
      Strashila 19 February 2018 21: 16
      0
      And what ... they sold, and then what ... they even dragged experts .. and what's the point ... these are the Russian developments of the Soviet era of the last century ... are outdated ... yes there is a need and a big one ... they are tortured to put on production ... it's a couple of years, at least ... suppliers of materials where ... ??? in Russia or Ukraine ... about Ukrainians without clinking glasses ... the Russians, doubtfully, have already reoriented to their own ... plus the Chinese approach ... cheaper. Everyone sees the difference with the original and licensed assembly from the Chinese.
  10. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 19 February 2018 19: 41
    +5
    Pushkov is another tweeter-balabol, like Rogozin. With the Be-200, I would say what will happen now - there is an order for 24 aircraft only for the Ministry of Emergencies, will we stop production, as with the ships ?!
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 19 February 2018 20: 06
      +3
      Depends on the number of engines available. Moving to a new engine no earlier than 20 +, or rather 19-20 experienced to remove flight promises. But not for sure. A practical solution was reached only in the middle of the 17 year.
  11. shans2
    shans2 19 February 2018 19: 43
    +4
    Pushkov talk too much not in rank and deed, as Klintsevich previously, I would not be surprised if he was also removed.
  12. exo
    exo 19 February 2018 20: 09
    +4
    A serious problem arises. Minus engines for the Be-200 and Mi-26. And An-148, and so, will not fly for long (IMHO) In commercial aviation, definitely.
    PD-14 quickly adapt, it will not work. Plus, time for certification. And if you recall the history of the introduction of the PS-90, it becomes very sad.
    1. keeper03
      keeper03 19 February 2018 23: 34
      +1
      If you look, nobody needs certification for domestic consumption and nafik! hi
  13. unignm
    unignm 19 February 2018 20: 30
    0
    Chermet shovels heritage. why engines of a great agrarian power?
  14. Greyhound famously
    Greyhound famously 19 February 2018 20: 30
    +3
    Net profit of Motor Sich:
    2013 - $ 1,07 billion (the last year of normal cooperation with Russia)
    2014 - $ 680,5 million (ban on military-technical cooperation with Russia)
    2015 - $ 576 million
    2016 - $ 387,9 million (Russia launched its own production of helicopter engines)
    2017 - (AN-148 production ceased in Russia) profit IN Hryvnia for 9 months has grown. I did not find data for the full year. However, it is worth noting that in 2014 and 2015 the volume of net income in hryvnias also increased, but this was due, to a greater extent, to the devaluation of the national currency. So it's worth waiting for the final report.
    2018 - ??? (ban on the supply of aircraft engines to Russia) ..... at the same time, it is worth noting that the supply of aircraft engines has been declining for more than a year. In 2015 - by 23%, and in 2016 - by 12%. In general, since 2013, their supplies to the Russian Federation have been reduced by at least half. Not a little, of course, but if the second half is zeroed, then Motor Sich definitely does not promise profit.
    Z.Y. Why focus on profit in dollars and not hryvnias? By the fact that 91% of the products sold are exported, which means that the enterprise is oriented not to the domestic market (hryvnia) but to the external (dollar).
    1. Antares
      Antares 19 February 2018 21: 13
      +1
      Quote: Grizzled Dashing
      2017 - (AN-148 production was discontinued in Russia) profit in Hryvnia increased over 9 months. I did not find data for the full year.

      net profit increased to 2 billion 575,69 million UAH. Everywhere there is infa. At the rate of 1dol - UAH to 26-27.
      According to the company in the disclosure system of the National Commission for Securities and Stock Market, its consolidated net income for the first nine months increased by 20,85% to UAH 9 billion 107,83 million.
      Profit in hryvnias because Ukraine. In the Russian Federation indicate in rubles.
      1. Lev Bronsch
        Lev Bronsch 19 February 2018 22: 21
        +4
        Well, well, profit ... This is not profit in accordance with IFRS, still say, cleared of tax payments wink . This is revenue, which is what is called "income" in English-language documents. But bad luck, after all, there is an expense !! And besides expenses for payroll and various kinds of production costs, there is a cost for the purchase of components, assemblies, s / parts and parts of third-party manufacturers. And it’s very interesting how much for a year this hryvnia was spent on this article, or maybe rubles, dollars, euros, yuan ?? So it’s more thorough to dig deeper into the numbers, otherwise Tesla will become a profitable enterprise for you, and why did you sell 100 cars for $ 000 each laughing Only here they have losses of $ 500 million each quarter or more. And then wow, you’re tired of counting zeros tongue
      2. Okolotochny
        Okolotochny 20 February 2018 08: 03
        +4
        You do not confuse Net Profit with Revenue by chance? Then subtract the cost of goods and services produced. Subtract business expenses. Here the remainder is about to be profit.
    2. Astoria
      Astoria 19 February 2018 22: 37
      0
      Where did you get such figures on profit, net profit for 13 years - 1 319 131 000 gr - if at the rate of 8, probably + million - $ 150.
  15. Crabio
    Crabio 19 February 2018 20: 30
    +5
    An unacceptable mistake of a strategic nature is to lose Ukraine from its orbit. It has been necessary to deal with this actively since the beginning of the 2000s, because everything else is just a consequence ...
    1. Lev Bronsch
      Lev Bronsch 19 February 2018 22: 24
      0
      You geopolitics is not very ... not needed. You would have at least a little history learned how the Ukrainian SSR was created, but what is indigenous (Ukrainianization), well, remember the RF of the 90s. What conclusions can you make?
  16. hydrox
    hydrox 19 February 2018 20: 38
    +1
    Quote: Tol100v
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    Motor-Sich from this, probably, will not go broke.

    It will not go bankrupt if it starts selling them to Boeing!

    Don’t think up, this old man with moss has not been able to seduce anyone for a long time, “Sich” froze with its products already in the 90s of the last century (as, incidentally, all of us, but the “product 30” at least slap it - that's just when will the series go ??). And he froze because there were no orders from us for either development or a series ...
    1. BVS
      BVS 19 February 2018 20: 51
      0
      Thousands of Mi-8, Mi-24, Ka-32 all over the world need Motor-Sich engines.
      1. shuravi
        shuravi 19 February 2018 21: 12
        +4
        Quote: bvs
        Thousands of Mi-8, Mi-24, Ka-32 all over the world need Motor-Sich engines.


        This market "Klimov" is already taking over.
      2. Greyhound famously
        Greyhound famously 19 February 2018 21: 25
        +2
        Thousands of Mi-8, Mi-24, Ka-32 all over the world need Motor-Sich engines.

        Russia has established production to replace them. So far, only the domestic market has been provided. But since production is growing, and major repairs are being carried out in repair centers joint with Russia and not Ukraine, then from year to year this segment will also be reduced for Ukraine.
        This is a matter of simple commercial profit and, moreover, is not the only case. For example, Russia has reduced the supply of ammonia to Ukraine necessary for the production of fertilizers, which is why at least Severodonetsk Azot has approached the brink of bankruptcy. And all due to the fact that Russia has increased its own fertilizer production capacity and it is more profitable for it to sell the final product rather than raw materials.
        With engines it will be the same. They will increase production and put up barriers for the supply of engines from Ukraine. Moreover, Russia has all the trump cards in this regard - with its participation they issue certificates for operation - helicopters are of Russian production and not Ukrainian. No one says that full replacement is the prospect of the coming years, but the tendency for this is obvious.
        1. BVS
          BVS 19 February 2018 22: 26
          0
          "No one says full substitution is the prospect of the coming years, but the tendency is obvious."
          That is, Motor Sich has another “coming years” to respond.
  17. Antares
    Antares 19 February 2018 21: 04
    +2
    engines are still not for the military. Could not ban. However, there is RB ...
    We shoot in the foot, because for the MS a little money could be obtained.
  18. Strashila
    Strashila 19 February 2018 21: 05
    0
    Ukrainians in their repertoire ... to spite grandmother and mother frostbitten ears. Yes, actually when they had their own opinion in recent years ... America and the EU do not need competitors ... they need consumers.
  19. Urantian
    Urantian 19 February 2018 21: 48
    +1
    And for our close bureaucrats and deputies, this event was like a bolt from the blue ??? ..., the replacement of Ukrainian engines had to be taken care 10 years ago ...
  20. gsev
    gsev 19 February 2018 21: 51
    0
    “Or maybe the whole Manturov team, together with the Rogozinsky ones, should be scattered, recruited and transferred to the barracks mode, with all the motor design bureaus so that in two years they would have pilot working engines with a full set of documentation for a completely ALL spectrum of those engines that Russia does not produce now , and buys (compressor engines are included here, as well as gas engines.
    So we don’t have enough automobile or tractor engines - what did the Pr-in do to reduce the deficit and hunger? "

    On the contrary, designers developing engines should have freedom, and design engineers should be at the head of the project, and not Manturovs and Rogozins. Yes, and they didn’t invent anything new in sharazhki, at the beginning of the war in Spain, the aircraft of the USSR and Germany were on an equal footing, and after Tupolev, Polikarpov, Petlyakov were in disgrace, they fell behind. But by 1945 and the Korean War, everyone again caught up. In sharashka after this, the aircraft were not developed.
  21. keeper03
    keeper03 19 February 2018 23: 27
    +2
    Well, finally, for us created all the conditions for us to bring to mind the PD-14 and its various modifications! Now, the time has come for urgent industrial production of these engines for installing them on all of our aircraft or bureaucrats will again kill everything for the sake of the Americans?!? If so, then it’s high time to put you on a stake, it’s painful for you to corrupt mother of Russia, gentlemen, corrupt! am hi
  22. Cook
    Cook 19 February 2018 23: 48
    +3
    [quote = hydrox] You have a strange approach: in real Russia, it is experiencing engine starvation in ALL industries, except tanks and reactors.
    A long time ago, back in the 80s, it was necessary to make a new engine for the IL-76 (the old emergency one from the birth of the D-30 cost the lives of hundreds of people and dozens of cars). With enormous difficulty they penetrated the PS-90A, this year they already flew, but have not yet received a certificate.
    Well, right, because half a century has not passed yet !! laughing
    And take the PD lineup: at least one engine from the lineup is already working ?? No.

    Something I don’t understand, where did you get all this from? They don’t know millions of passengers transported to Tu-154m and Il-62m that they put such terribly emergency engines (D-30KU (154) on their plane. It's not funny about the new engine in the 80s, you are on the date of the first flight of the plane don’t look, but look at how long it has been in operation. So airplanes equipped with D-30 went into operation massively at the turn of 70-80. What, after ten years without flying off, saw a new motor? And the next generation of engines, ala PS90, It was just at that time that I was thinking. At least I was studying at the school at that time, I already saw the Tu-204 in the picture. Regarding the remotorization of the IL-76: it’s been seven years since the IL-76vd-90 has been flying in the Volga-Dnepr, And abroad, too. It is interesting about the lack of a certificate which you are interpreting, do not tell me?
    I don’t want to comment on PD at all, the development, testing and organization of mass production, a promising - really promising modern engine, which in its parameters and technical solutions is at a comparable level with the promising engines of the world's leading companies - is quite a complex task, and not everything can go smooth. But here, after the money went into the project, I do not observe any special delays.
  23. logobobah
    logobobah 20 February 2018 01: 33
    +2
    Quote: hydrox
    Your approach is strange: in real Russia is experiencing motor hunger in ALL industries, except tanks and reactors.
    A long time ago, back in the 80s, it was necessary to make a new engine for the IL-76 (the old emergency one from the birth of the D-30 cost the lives of hundreds of people and dozens of cars). With enormous difficulty they penetrated the PS-90A, this year they already flew, but have not yet received a certificate.
    Well, right, because half a century has not passed yet !! laughing
    And take the PD lineup: at least one engine from the lineup is already working ?? No.
    And why is our Army for 20 years left AT ALL without shock drones? Is it because engines are not issued for drones, and NO are issued from the word ABSOLUTELY.
    It’s not just an industrial power, but some kind of village forge.
    That’s the question: what’s the hell Putin has for such a MinPromTorg, which with great success can only issue defective statements and purchase gold Rolls-Royces, but he cannot fulfill its direct functions.
    Or maybe the whole Manturov team, together with the Rogozinsky ones, should be scattered, recruited a new one and transferred to the barracks mode sharashki together with all the motor design bureaus, so that in two years they would have pilot working engines with a full set of documentation for a completely ALL spectrum of those engines that Russia does not produce now, and buys (compressor engines are included here, like gas-powered aircraft engines.
    So, after all, we lack neither automobile nor tractor engines - what did the Prospect do to reduce the deficit and hunger?
    It's nothing.
    Then where is Putin looking?

    Well for tractors, special equipment and trucks there is YaMZ. Their engines are also supplied to MAZ and KrAZ. In addition, the production of in-line engines is also available at KAMAZ. As far as I understand, it’s not so bad here. Be-200 is worse. There is no mass production. For a piece aircraft, it’s very expensive to saw a special engine. If only sam146 messed up. There has been talk about this for a long time. About the fact that the NATO motor is so be200, it’s kind of civilian, why not use it. And as to where and who was looking, one cannot embrace everything at once. If at least they do what they have been talking about for a long time - ship gas turbine engines for frigates and replace helicopter engines in the right volumes and with good performance indicators - it means that they are taking their places for nothing.
  24. Hurricane70
    Hurricane70 20 February 2018 02: 29
    +1
    Quote: zivXP
    This plant was created for the production of engines of the Soviet project, for Soviet aircraft

    They still have to go on the production of pots

    Well they have adjusted:
  25. worms
    worms 20 February 2018 03: 19
    +1
    then, as in a joke, I will gouge out an eye, so that my mother-in-law would have a son-in-law bully , or maybe they still cut their Faberge with an ax ?? Well, what would the mother-in-law had no grandchildren .... wassat
  26. LeonidL
    LeonidL 20 February 2018 03: 25
    +1
    The fact is that recently it was announced the supply of BE-200 for the Navy, so the Kukuyev sages quickly shot themselves in a bastard. But the replacement for Ukrainian engines is already ready - new engines are being produced together with France. So it’s even better for Russia, at least you should not expect the next knee from the beggar and his Nazi gang of brothers.
  27. nikoliski
    nikoliski 20 February 2018 03: 38
    -1
    it’s not because of their engine that the An-148 fell? otherwise they will
  28. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 20 February 2018 04: 52
    0
    Well, who will now say that people from Motor Sich are smart? The company then essentially worked for Russia. To the West, she didn’t give up. And Russia will shrug and establish its production.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 20 February 2018 11: 00
      +2
      Not. Rather, there is no justified request.
      Where does this engine go?
      An-148 is a corpse. Production is closed.
      An-158 - a corpse, production in Russia did not even open (all the Kiev sides were sold by Ilyushin-Finance - actually the smut with service now on IF).
      An-178 - JV with the Saudis, Russia is not involved. Antonov is changing Russian cooperation to European.
      Tu-334 - a corpse.
      Be-200 - half-dead with a promising order in 15-20 machines for 10 years.

      Cash operated sides:
      26-28 An-148 with a decreasing tendency, plus MO sides (the main customer) - stand with a near-zero touch.
      10-11 Be-200.

      If for the sake of such a GIANT request - to make a separate engine, then the price for the Be-200 will be like for the 2 Raptor wassat .

      Therefore, back in the middle of last year, we decided to try putting SaM-146 (as on the Superjet) on the Be-200. Experienced board flies in the area 20 of the year (19-20). After taking off flight characteristics and a set of tests, decisions will already be made about the possibility / impossibility of moving to a new engine, and the necessary additional improvements (and this is difficult by the way because the engine then has a Safran tag - they will require coordination with any changes).
      1. Sands Careers General
        Sands Careers General 20 February 2018 16: 15
        0
        I think they will deal with the engines, this is not the first and unfortunately not the last problem with import substitution.
        Our platoon on the background of Be-12))

  29. Wolka
    Wolka 20 February 2018 10: 41
    0
    let them choke, we will not be poorer, Ukrainians will not become richer ...