Ukraine 2015 lost 12% of the working population

The International Migration Association publishes data that since 2015, Ukraine has lost 12% of the working population. We are talking about the citizens of Ukraine, who refuse to try to find work in the Ukrainian territory and go abroad. It is noted that the largest number of citizens of Ukraine today have found jobs for themselves in Russia and Poland.

According to the edition Bloomberg, at the moment in Poland there are about 2 million Ukrainians, up to 500 thousands of which are illegal.

It is noted that we are talking mainly about low-skilled labor, including from the service sector.

The reason for the departure of hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian citizens in neighboring Poland is the lack of jobs in Ukraine and low wages. So, in Bloomberg the following figures are voiced: the average salary in Ukraine is about 280 dollars, and in Poland - 900-1000 dollars.

The third place in the number of working-age Ukrainians who enter Ukraine is Italy. The article notes that from 2015 to 2017 the number of people leaving the territory of Ukraine in the Apennines was almost 150 thousand people. About 120 thousands of Ukrainian guest workers chose the Czech Republic. No more than 30 of thousands of Ukrainian citizens wishing to find a job reached the USA.

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[210ox]

But in Europe. And in second-hand lace pants are regularly imported. You do not understand anything in the "European values"

[Herculesic]

Europe is fed up with ukroina, and wants to be away from all ukroinsky problems! But they don’t give the United States, they demand, in their interests, of course, that Europe is friendly, friendly, sorry for the pun, against us!

[Don]

This Russia is full of Ukraine! For the fourth year in a row, every day we are told terrible tales about how everything is bad there and how soon it will fall apart. Maybe enough already? You show in comparison how many jobs have been created in Russia, Ukraine, Poland, etc. Ukraine, not counting part of the Donbass, has been lost to Russia for many years. The West outplayed Putin, although he missed the Crimea. While Russia in its economy and finances will be picking its nose, making a good face, centrifugal force will continue to move away our former territories from us. Everything else is golimaya propaganda and wet dreams.

[Anarchist]

Quote: Donskoy

This is Russia full of Ukraine

the largest number of Ukrainian citizens to date have found jobs in Russia and Poland.

Well, yes, we are the best "friends" of the outskirts ... Russia and Poland.
Many of those who work for us wear a "knife in the bosom," but they smile in the face ... False, two-faced "thаnouses. "

[BARKHAN]

Quote: Anarchist

Many of those who work for us wear a "knife in the bosom," but they smile in the face ... False, two-faced "yanuses."

You can’t even imagine how right you are ...

[demo]

Does she have a full name?
Moscow is big. And educational institutions - oh-go-go.

[Svarog]

Quote: Donskoy

This Russia is full of Ukraine! For the fourth year in a row, every day we are told terrible tales about how everything is bad there and how soon it will fall apart. Maybe enough already? You show in comparison how many jobs have been created in Russia, Ukraine, Poland, etc. Ukraine, not counting part of the Donbass, has been lost to Russia for many years. The West outplayed Putin, although he missed the Crimea. While Russia in its economy and finances will be picking its nose, making a good face, centrifugal force will continue to move away our former territories from us. Everything else is golimaya propaganda and wet dreams.

It’s well and correctly said .. It is necessary to pay more attention to your problems, and not rejoice at the fact that a cow died from a neighbor ..

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

Again they offer to look not at their burning hut, but at the neighbor's. ZIL, Volgograd Tractor, Saratov Aircraft ... you can go on for a long time and in the end it becomes clear that we are no different from ukrosumerov so special. They entered the WTO in 2008, and we in 2012. They Petliurism and Bandera became the state ideology, and we have White Guard and Vlasovism. They have desovetization, and we have de-Stalinization. Thanks to oil, gas and nuclear weapons, we surpass them, but we go the same way ...
Look what is happening in the Far East.
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[Don]

I looked through the photos, a sad sight, you can’t say anything. And how many such destroyed aircraft factories, abandoned airfields around the country? One involuntarily wonders how powerful our country was ... What shit, bastards have now turned it into!

[1vlad19]

Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich

Look what is happening in the Far East.

And what is there to watch? These Tu-22 (and not M3) until the end of the 90s stood in the open air at the "big" airfield, then they began to disassemble. And about the Kirov shipbuilding ... it’s their own fault, they renamed it Oston, made LLC, and while the border guards still had ships (IAC, LHC, Ships of command) that they got from the Pacific Fleet they put them in for repair, that’s how they lived, they didn’t produce their own, the equipment is old, no one bought new. So they bent. Half of the plant is leased to businessmen, they work. I will say more, there were Daldzel factories, Energomash also went into oblivion, there are no orders, who needs them? Surrendered to offices and shopping centers.
But to say that everything is impossible is impossible, they are building a lot of new things, but this rubbish, Soviet-built, no one needs, is easier to demolish and build new than to patch holes in the old.

[Herculesic]

Donskoy - all our business would leave ukroin, banks would leave - then you would, like all of us, see its real and quick collapse! And there still our big money is fueling the regime! But they live really worse than us — I talked with many, I heard a lot about how the people there are driving the authorities into poverty!

[Don]

Quote: Herkulesich

Donskoy - all our business would leave ukroin, banks would leave - then you would, like all of us, see its real and quick collapse! And there still our big money is fueling the regime! But they live really worse than us — I talked with many, I heard a lot about how the people there are driving the authorities into poverty!

I bet on every point of your comment. Firstly, there is nothing left for our business and its withdrawal will not cause any collapse. I explain that all banks and enterprises with their own subsidiaries and shares in the business, SELLING OUT OF UKRAINE, SELL their shares for scanty money. All these attacks on the offices of Sberbank and so on are caused only by pressure to maximize the price drop.
Secondly, the fact that they live worse than us is also a fairy tale. In the regions, living standards in Russia and Ukraine differ slightly. Yes, there may be slightly less wages, but the prices there are also significantly lower. Another thing in Moscow. But so do our citizens in millions go to Moscow, as migrant workers. You say that Moscow is still in Russia? And you ask Muscovites, are they glad to see you?

[demo]

For six months, Ukraine imported goods from Russia totaling $ 2,985 billion, which is 41,5% higher than in the first half of 2016, according to the State Statistics Service of Ukraine. In the total volume of goods imported into Ukraine, the share of Russian producers amounted to 13,2%, which exceeds the shares of Germany (11,7%) and China (11,4%).

So what say?

[loginovich]

But in the Russian Federation there is no labor migration?

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: loginovich

But in the Russian Federation there is no labor migration?

where did you migrate ???

[New Year day]

Quote: 210ox

But in Europe.

not only in Europe. We also have a lot. I am glad that the engineers and builders are coming.
The Ulyanovsk Aviation Plant Aviastar-SP is a striking example of attracting foreign professionals from the former Soviet republics of Uzbekistan and Ukraine. From 2014 to 2017, the plant employed 304 foreign citizens: 115 people came from Uzbekistan, 164 from Ukraine, plus 25 - from other states.
Rostec Corporation also recruits specialists from the Soviet republics. In 2016, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin personally handed Russian passports to the Ukrainian defense scientist Igor Gashenenko and his wife Lyudmila, who got a job at the High Precision Complexes holding, which is part of Rostec. Gashenenko is a qualified specialist in the field of applied telemetry mechanics and dynamics of systems of interacting bodies, as well as the theory of nonlinear vibrations and vibrations. Until 2014, he worked at the Institute of Applied Mathematics and Mechanics of the National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine.

[Shura Sailors]

You love (I mean not only you, but also the vast majority of members of the forum under the Russian flag) to gloat over the "fraternal people." You read the comments - well, all experts in Ukraine are straightforward. I’ve already spoken about this - dear ones, if you could live at least two or three years in present-day Ukraine - howling would be universal. And do not tell me that they themselves are to blame, because they sat on the huts. Did you run hard at the White House in Moscow at 93? Now everyone is blaming EBN, so why didn’t you protest against his actions? They also sat on huts, quietly hated their government, but 'continued to nibble on a cactus'.
Before you laugh at someone, take a look at yourself

[Herculesic]

The numbers are clearly understated and strong! I am sure that in reality it is at least up to 30 percent of the able-bodied population that has left almost the whole of Europe, and have gone away from their native burning tires, and dumb little words, in search of a living!

[Angler]

Maybe not 30, but a quarter definitely left. Somewhere in the news it slipped that their economists had calculated the consumption of products and came to the conclusion that there could be no more than 32 million people in the country. And this is with the official figure of 42 million. Yes, every year 300 thousand more die than is born. Faithful path go comrades! But 20 years will pass and again they will begin to blame us in the Holodomor. However, they are already blaming. Human stupidity is an inexhaustible resource.

[Irek]

Soon only these will remain. ..

[Bosch]

Lost and lost. It happens to everyone. For this, she acquired a pizviz and nezalezhnist.

[Greenwood]

the average salary in Ukraine is about 280 dollars, and in Poland - 900-1000 dollars.

And in Russia there are about 500 dollars, according to data from Rosstat. It's funny that in neighboring China there are more, especially in cities.

[Don]

Quote: Greenwood

And in Russia there are about 500 dollars, according to data from Rosstat. It's funny that in neighboring China there are more, especially in cities.

In the regions of Russia, in order to earn 500 dollars, you need to be either a cop or an official. just the rich earn 500 thousands, and the poor 15000. So it turns out on average 30000, because the poor are incomparably greater than the rich.

[Square]

The terrible tragedy of the fraternal people, no matter what
For some people, the tribunals cry

[Sudoplatov]

Wait, you claim that they are not guilty, and the photo refutes your regret

[Square]

I'm not guilty or not guilty, just fraternal people feel sorry
Yes, and he can not be all to blame
Yes, and he alone is not to blame if to blame

[Sudoplatov]

Show me, at least one rally against the civil war, not one, but to blame "cat left kittens guess who is to blame"

[Svarog]

Quote: Sudoplatov

Show me, at least one rally against the civil war, not one, but to blame "cat left kittens guess who is to blame"

Such rallies do not pay, so you will not see them .. People are being crawled with propaganda (just like ours), so it is degrading ..

[Antares]

Quote: Sudoplatov

at least one rally against civil war

well, no civil
but against the war
March 04, 2014 Donetsk ("No war" posters for example

In Kharkov, about 700 people came to the "Peace March". In Dnepropetrovsk about 1300 people took part in the march, about a thousand in Zaporozhye, about 1500 people in Odessa, about a thousand in Nikolaev. In Kiev, about three thousand people came to the Peace March, Interfax reports.
Paralympic champions, public activists, political figures, as well as soldiers who returned from the special operation zone in the Donbass took part in the rallies. The main goal and demand of the participants is to end the war in eastern Ukraine.
As part of the peace action in Odessa, a minute of memory of the victims of the tragedy of May 2 took place. The festival square in Zaporozhye was also filled with people who chanted: "We curse business in war!" "NATO is war!"

but who cares ...
I’ll tell you more that the majority chose Poroshenko because of a compromise and for the future world. I really "voted for another, but also promising a peace plan.

[Sudoplatov]

Quote: Antares

Quote: Sudoplatov

at least one rally against civil war

well, no civil
but against the war
March 04, 2014 Donetsk ("No war" posters for example

In Kharkov, about 700 people came to the "Peace March". In Dnepropetrovsk about 1300 people took part in the march, about a thousand in Zaporozhye, about 1500 people in Odessa, about a thousand in Nikolaev. In Kiev, about three thousand people came to the Peace March, Interfax reports.
Paralympic champions, public activists, political figures, as well as soldiers who returned from the special operation zone in the Donbass took part in the rallies. The main goal and demand of the participants is to end the war in eastern Ukraine.
As part of the peace action in Odessa, a minute of memory of the victims of the tragedy of May 2 took place. The festival square in Zaporozhye was also filled with people who chanted: "We curse business in war!" "NATO is war!"

but who cares ...
I’ll tell you more that the majority chose Poroshenko because of a compromise and for the future world. I really "voted for another, but also promising a peace plan.

Only the war began much later in May 2014

[Lesorub]

Quote: Sudoplatov

Show me, at least one rally against the civil war, not one, but to blame "cat left kittens guess who is to blame"

How Primitive is it !! )))

[Dormidont]

It was inspired by the memories of how Soviet people felt sorry for the German proletariat and waited for it to rise and overthrow Hitler’s hated (supposedly) power

[Imh]

From Svidomo illegal immigrants and especially illegal immigrants in Israel and not crowded. The Ministry of Internal Affairs of Israel calls the numbers 12-13 thousand. But the sarcasm of Russians is also not clear to me - most of them live a little better than in Ukraine, and also leave Russia in droves, with the brightest heads.

[Herculesic]

We do not blame anyone for our troubles and problems! Unlike the Ukrainians, who are guilty of everything except themselves!

[Imh]

Blame too - Gorbachev, Americans, Jews, NATO, the global conspiracy, the Illuminati ...

[Herculesic]

So, you can continue to call a lie a truth? Hunchback, like your usa a lot, terribly a lot of nasty things we did, we remember that! And blame them reasonably and for the cause, or rather, for their vile deeds. And we hear from NATO that we want to conquer someone, steam up, and this military bloc itself, as you know, is already at our doorstep! Praise them for it? Do not be hypocritical, please, we can better see from here who is our enemy and who is just nearby, in the search for temporary benefits!

[Imh]

So you said a post above, a hundred do not blame anyone! Dear, you are swimming in your testimony.

[Herculesic]

To know the truth about your enemy, or to call, so to speak, for the sake of the political conjuncture, a certain state an enemy, is a huge difference. We see how your United States more and more by strangers prevents us from living peacefully — our veiled enemy of the United States. And the country, which was considered fraternal, and into which $ 400 billion was swollen, simply fell under your America, so that our life would not be further peaceful and calm. And at the same time, they accuse us of their own crimes.

[Imh]

Well, on the face, blame the United States.

By the way, why is the United States ours? It seems to me that the US is American ...

[ul_vitalii]

Quote: IMH

Well, on the face, blame the United States.

By the way, why is the United States ours? It seems to me that the US is American ...

Because they are dancing you.

[bk316]

Blame too - Gorbachev, Americans, Jews, NATO, the global conspiracy, the Illuminati ...

Well, in order to blame the Illuminati, I don’t even remember this from the Hercules.
And he is hunchbacked OUR as it is not regrettable.
But we consider Amers and NATO enemies, but we do not blame our troubles.
So that you are driving.

[Imh]

Browse the forum. You may not blame the USA, but most yes, blame.

[Russia]

Quote: IMH

Browse the forum. You may not blame the USA, but most yes, blame.

Most do not blame them, but lays them on abusive. These are different things.

[Dormidont]

still sweet

[izya top]

garbage. even my crowds

[taiga2018]

Poland most of all benefited from this, of course, they realized that refugees from Africa and the Middle East could benefit from a goat of milk, but they refused to accept problems above the roof, and here they are cheap, moderately working, white slaves ...

[Sudoplatov]

so you don’t have to pay insurance, you can throw the disabled person out into the street, and refugees from Bl. East pay insurance and medical care. So, it’s clear who the refugee is, and who received no visas

[Sudoplatov]

What prevented Yanukovych from closing enterprises, schools, hospitals, taking away salaries, raising his retirement age, raising housing and communal services and food prices, well, the Sumerians were jumping for it. So the eyes that they chose were bobbing, get and sign.

[mavrus]

At the dacha, two brothers from Uzhgorod laid me a stove, by the way well, I have no complaints, they said that they worked in Russia, and when the ruble collapsed in 2014, we went to the Czech Republic in the 15th ... spat, and paid well, and everything is cultured, but you’ll earn money, the prices are exorbitant, the next year they were in Poland, it seems normal there, but in Russia it’s better, so in 17th we came back to Russia. I mean, hurt live ... great guys, but find work, so sit on the globe look, where to go? Oh how they live.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: mavrus

I mean, hurt live ... great guys, but find work, so sit on the globe look, where to go?

and they didn’t try to restore order in their own country ???

[mavrus]

Quote: Greenwood

the average salary in Ukraine is about 280 dollars, and in Poland - 900-1000 dollars.

And in Russia there are about 500 dollars, according to data from Rosstat. It's funny that in neighboring China there are more, especially in cities.

Yes ... But it’s if you work like a Chinese ... We do not work for such a job as in China, and for 2000 bucks.

[Greenwood]

Quote: mavrus

We have for such work as in China

It depends on what kind of work.

[Dormidont]

As said classic

[gsev]

The modern Ukrainian leadership was hoping to increase the competitiveness of its industry by dropping salaries. By inviting Ukrainians to Russia to work, Putin partially reduced personnel shortages in Russia and partially sucked out qualified specialists from Ukraine. Those days when sellers, managers, secretaries, referents, waiters, car repairmen received more production workers and engineers begin to end. Another thing is that the children of those who previously made good money dream of immediately getting more fathers without having the required qualifications. For them, until they die their appetite will really be unemployment. And the PRC is now looking for and finding competent engineers not only in Ukraine but also in South Korea, although every fourth Chinese graduate of a technical university cannot find a job.

[Radical]

Ukraine 2015 lost 12% of the working population

Generally "touched" by such headings! And someone has calculated with us how much Russia has lost the able-bodied population since 1991, or at least since 2000! Or, as in the old adage - "In our eyes we don’t see logs, but in someone else's ..." which we don’t find! I do not in any way justify what is happening "there"! I'm more worried about what's happening here!

[Greenwood]

Quote: Radikal

how much Russia has lost the able-bodied population since 1991, or at least since 2000!

I think a lot. And she dreams of dumping even more.

Applications for participation in the lottery for a residence permit in the United States (green cards) in 2015 filed a record number of Russians - 265 thousand 86 peopleBloomberg reports citing the US Department of State. In total, Russia reminds the agency, a quota of four thousand green cards has been allocated.

In addition, the State Department said, in 2014, 245 thousand 638 visas were issued to Russians, giving them the right to temporary stay in the United States for work or study. Another 3622 citizens of the Russian Federation received a permanent residence permit in the United States for family or other reasons, including 56 people who received visas in exchange for investments of the size of half a million dollars.

[mashinist]

Why did Ukraine lose? Did they stay there forever? Not! They will work for half a year and then they will leave again, and after 15-20 years they will have a house with land and repairs, children with education and apartments, so what is the loss? Well, and even pure currency flows into the country !!!

[Antares]

There is no way to pay Polish salaries from Ukrainian employers. Although it is precisely this situation that makes us raise the RFP. Forcibly, it is precisely the outflow of personnel that creates personnel shortages and forces them to raise wages.
We do not have a replacement (maybe in the Russian Federation there are migrants, in Ukraine there is no).
The guys are working in Poland and would be glad not to go - but if there is an opportunity to earn for the season like a year, then why not. Here they work a couple of seasons, then a season in Poland, in the end they live better than those who sit still. We do not have Medvedev, but his precepts about the need to be mobile when looking for work are fulfilled by everyone here.

[Urantian]

And to hell with her .., even if everyone loses everything ....

[Zomanus]

Well, that’s actually saved the Ukrainian government,
all this outflow of the population, which has suddenly become "superfluous."
Otherwise, they would have crushed this power.
And so the extra went abroad and the burden on the budget decreased,
plus money from zrobitschans go, supporting the economy,
and not too supportive. by the way ...

[LeonidL]

The goal of the Kukuev sages is 99%, so they still have to create and create ...

[begemot20091]

Quote: Donskoy

Yes, there may be slightly less wages, but the prices there are also significantly lower. Another thing in Moscow. But so do our citizens in millions go to Moscow, as migrant workers.

what are you talking about now? Do you have any colleagues in Ukraine? If there is, ask about pensions, about prices .... You will be "pleasantly" surprised. We recently conducted such an analysis online. Prices are cheaper only for apples and a little for pork. But I compared Tomsk and Kirovograd - this is the breadbasket of Ukraine: chernozems 1,2 meters each.