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In Sevastopol, the grave of an unknown soldier leveled to the ground

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In Sevastopol, during the construction of a private house, the grave of an unknown soldier who died during the Great Patriotic War was leveled to the ground. Kommersant with reference to the chairman of the council of veterans of the village Dalnee (within the boundaries of Sevastopol) Nadezhda Makarenko.


In Sevastopol, the grave of an unknown soldier leveled to the ground


Makarenko does not know exactly when the grave was razed to the ground. Every few years she planted flowers on her. Last time she was here in April 2015.

The other day I came to plant new flowers, but found that the burial place of the soldier is now behind the fence, and a private house has already been built next to it. The owner of the house failed to catch. But Makarenko talked to his neighbors, who said that before the start of construction, the site was leveled with a bulldozer.

He was told that there was a grave. She was so clearly visible - a high mound with flowers on it. But he said that he bought the land and would do whatever he wanted with it
said the woman.

Now Makarenko is preparing an appeal to the local administration. Under it plans to collect signatures of local residents.

The head of the municipal district, Mikhail Khryachkov, told the newspaper that he would check the information about the destruction of the grave and figure out the situation.

In turn, a member of the Public Chamber of Sevastopol, Grigory Donets, said that there are still many unregistered graves in the city.

Official and military graves are registered and registered. If this grave was not listed anywhere, sadly, there were probably no traces left from this burial, and it would be almost impossible to prove something, he said.
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ForPost (sevastopol.su) / regnum
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  1. Russia
    Russia 19 February 2018 15: 47
    +20
    Let him do what he wants, but there may be a bomb that will do with it what it is designed for.
    1. Andy
      Andy 19 February 2018 15: 55
      +14
      I would really like it / about the bomb /
    2. 210ox
      210ox 19 February 2018 15: 55
      +20
      But here it’s not the case for the bomb, but for the prosecutor’s office. Although the bomb will fit for these idiots. It’s bad if there are no documents for this burial.
      Quote: Rusland
      Let him do what he wants, but there may be a bomb that will do with it what it is designed for.
      1. Andrey K
        Andrey K 19 February 2018 16: 00
        +32
        Quote: 210ox
        ... But now it’s not the case for the bomb, but for the prosecutor’s office, although the bomb will fit for these idiots. It’s bad if there are no documents for this burial ...

        There are questions to the local administration, how was the burial place sold to a private trader?
        1. Herculesic
          Herculesic 19 February 2018 16: 06
          +21
          Andrei hi -It is all about the greed of officials who are ready to sell at least a soul to the devil for an appropriate amount!
          1. Andrey K
            Andrey K 19 February 2018 16: 11
            +10
            Quote: Herkulesich
            ... it’s all about the greed of officials who are ready to sell at least a soul to the devil for the appropriate amount! ...

            For such things, these darlings - that bureaucrats, that private owners (so that they were empty) sent to the taiga, a forest with a jigsaw to fell down. Preliminarily forcing, if not to restore, treat the ashes with all respect and transfer them to a proper place.
            After all, this is sheer abuse and desecration of graves!
          2. Pivot
            Pivot 19 February 2018 22: 50
            +4
            I am shocked at how to be a freak in order to live on a person’s grave.
        2. vovanpain
          vovanpain 19 February 2018 16: 13
          +12
          Quote: Andrey K
          There are questions to the local administration, how was the burial place sold to a private trader?

          Hello Be Andrew drinks The administration also has such a question, why the grave was not registered earlier or why the warrior was not reburied at the registered military cemetery, what hi
          1. Andrey K
            Andrey K 19 February 2018 16: 18
            +10
            vovanpain
            Greetings Vladimir hi
            ... The administration also has such a question why the grave was not registered earlier or why the warrior was not reburied at the registered military cemetery ...

            Yes, there’s hair on end request
            And where were the neighbors ...
            The article writes:
            ... "They told him that there was a grave. She was already clearly visible - a high mound with flowers on it. But he said that he had bought the land and would do what he wanted with it," the woman said ...

            A police call, not fate was ???
            1. vovanpain
              vovanpain 19 February 2018 16: 48
              +7
              Quote: Andrey K
              And where were the neighbors ...

              Many questions Andrey request they would call the police, so they would come, look at the documents, since private property would shrug their hands and leave to order the administration, that’s why they didn’t contact before, maybe they contacted, but the grave is not registered, drive the money and not a small one for reburial , now this head of administration is excusing himself, some questions, ett a bag of money who bought the same could apply, but he took the ear plug so that his house would burn down. hi
              1. Andrey K
                Andrey K 19 February 2018 16: 55
                +6
                Quote: vovanpain
                ... they would have called the police, so they would have come, looked at the documents, since private property would have shrugged and left, ordered to contact the administration, that’s why they didn’t go before, maybe they did, but the grave is not registered, drive the money and not quite small for reburial, now this head of administration is being dismissed, some questions, ett a money bag who bought the same could apply, but he took the trick that his house would burn down ...

                Nothing to add request
                1. Svarog51
                  Svarog51 19 February 2018 19: 53
                  +4
                  Andrey, welcome hi
                  Nothing to add

                  There is something, since the authorities do not want to fulfill duties.
                  this money bag who bought the same could apply, but he took the trick that his house would burn

                  A bottle of KM will do. Every CITIZEN OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION has RIGHTS and DUTIES. Two individuals completely forgot about the second and focused on the first. (The bureaucrat and the buyer). Someone reacted to this indifferently. The hand would not flinch, even though I have to fight fire. Sometimes fire clears. soldier
                  1. Andrey K
                    Andrey K 20 February 2018 00: 04
                    +8
                    Quote: Svarog51
                    ... Every CITIZEN OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION has RIGHTS and DUTIES. Two individuals completely forgot about the second and focused on the first ...
                    ... The hand would not flinch, even though I have to fight fire. Sometimes a fire cleanses ...

                    Be healthy Sergey hi
                    The accents are perfectly correct, I agree with them.
                    But you don’t need to bite your hands on such, the fire will not clear such.
            2. AUL
              AUL 19 February 2018 21: 49
              0
              Quote: Andrey K
              Yes, there’s hair on end
              And where were the neighbors ...

              And the neighbors were simply afraid to contact. The new owner of the site, it seems, is not simple, since the dough was enough to buy land in the Crimea (and the land prices there are horseback, and not everyone will be sold yet!). Apparently, they were afraid to spoil relations with such a neighbor.
        3. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 19 February 2018 16: 17
          +11
          Quote: Andrey K

          There are questions to the local administration, how was the burial place sold to a private trader?

          Rather, the question is why this grave was abandoned in the city and why the remains of the soldier were not reburied with honors.
          1. Andrey K
            Andrey K 19 February 2018 16: 20
            +7
            Quote: Aaron Zawi
            ... Rather, the question is why this grave was abandoned in the city and why the remains of the soldier were not reburied with honors ...

            Aaron hi
            Yes alone why request
          2. DMB_95
            DMB_95 19 February 2018 16: 32
            +1
            Quote: Aaron Zawi

            Rather, the question is why this grave was abandoned in the city and why the remains of the soldier were not reburied with honors.

            Every year, search engines find hundreds of soldiers with us, then they are buried with honors. For some reason, this media alone does not pay as much attention as this moral demolition of the grave. But the fact, what doubts are there.
            1. Piramidon
              Piramidon 19 February 2018 17: 40
              +3
              Quote: DMB_95
              Every year, search engines find hundreds of soldiers with us, then they are buried with honors.

              Search engines walk through the woods with mine detectors, and here the grave was in front of everyone, everyone saw that there was some kind of construction going on, and everyone had a drum. And when everything was already done, they began to lift a wave. A muddy story. request
              Maybe this "builder" poured salt on the tail of someone "and they decided to spoil his life. Here you need to thoroughly understand.
          3. bane's jacket
            bane's jacket 19 February 2018 16: 40
            +6
            Quote: Aaron Zawi

            Rather, the question is why this grave was abandoned in the city and why the remains of the soldier were not reburied with honors.

            Remains.
          4. igor67
            igor67 19 February 2018 17: 19
            +3
            Quote: Aaron Zawi
            Quote: Andrey K

            There are questions to the local administration, how was the burial place sold to a private trader?

            Rather, the question is why this grave was abandoned in the city and why the remains of the soldier were not reburied with honors.

            there are a lot of such nameless and unregistered graves, and most likely they will face the same fate, in our courtyard, during the Second World War there was a German camp, there were many Soviet soldiers shot there, there are two obelisks, but the grave was the same mound, grandmother , the witness of those events said that it was a soldier’s grave, We looked after her. Now I’m 100 percent sure that this mound is running. Also in the forests and fields where there were many such mounds, sometimes the veterans cleaned, but it was so long
            1. Svarog51
              Svarog51 19 February 2018 20: 04
              +1
              Igor, my respect hi How are you right. The film is on this subject - "Unknown Soldier". There, the hero found the name of a soldier. And now - alas. am
              1. igor67
                igor67 19 February 2018 20: 47
                +1
                Quote: Svarog51
                Igor, my respect hi How are you right. The film is on this subject - "Unknown Soldier". There, the hero found the name of a soldier. And now - alas. am

                Sergey, in principle and during the Soviet era, having made Memorials of Glory in which more or less well-known mass graves were reburied, probably didn’t have enough strength for unitary ones. I will repeat in our yard there were two yars where we sleighed downhill, before the war it was a career in the extraction of clay, and during the war a camp, commemorative monuments were placed there, with the inscription that 3000 people were shot at this place. and so, as children, we dug, I don’t remember why a hole, two skulls dug up, a bunch of hair, and a lot of other things, a German helmet. We took the bayonet knife to the museum, they didn’t need it. Late 70s early 80s
                1. igor67
                  igor67 19 February 2018 21: 10
                  +3
                  I found a photo taken in 2009, the grave of which we took care of old maples, where there are birches. Here and a description of the mass grave of civilians
                  Description of the monument 2 graves in which 2870 people are buried. Among them are Komsomol members-underground workers Zubko M.M., Zubko A.M., Kirdan O.E., Klimenko A.I. and connected partisan detachment "Death to Fascism" pioneer Glushchenko MP
                  The condition of the monument is acceptable.
                  1. Svarog51
                    Svarog51 19 February 2018 21: 20
                    +1
                    Igor, how did we get to this? You and I remember - and those who are obliged - scored it. I was not sealed up - it was scored, not forgotten. Words that is, but they are completely unprintable. Sorry for the emotions. hi
                    1. igor67
                      igor67 19 February 2018 21: 28
                      +3
                      Quote: Svarog51
                      Igor, how did we get to this? You and I remember - and those who are obliged - scored it. I was not sealed up - it was scored, not forgotten. Words that is, but they are completely unprintable. Sorry for the emotions. hi

                      scored. because those who, as it were, were supposed to do this, were opportunists who could speak beautifully and report on the “work done.” My grandfather disappeared somewhere in Stalingrad, we only have a funeral, where and when it is unknown, my father looked in the military archive of Leningrad. I haven’t found it. The modern generation is only interested here and now.
                      1. Svarog51
                        Svarog51 19 February 2018 21: 43
                        +2
                        those who were supposed to be doing this were opportunists,
                        To my great regret, they are still there. The case described in the article is an example. I wish you still successfully complete the search. hi
        4. Non liberoid Russian
          Non liberoid Russian 19 February 2018 16: 23
          +1
          Ocrani’s heritage, it’s even a pity that lustration was only there, in the Crimea, both sitting and sitting in their places
          1. Yuyuka
            Yuyuka 19 February 2018 16: 38
            +1
            Quote: Not a liberoid Russian
            Ocrani’s heritage, it’s even a pity that lustration was only there, in the Crimea, both sitting and sitting in their places


            you just don’t need to hang up the local gouging on the "former"! For officials, now this is the best excuse in the Crimea! This is a war burial of a soldier ?? And yes - where are all the people living nearby? Not outraged, did not raise a butch, at least in the media?
          2. Andrey K
            Andrey K 19 February 2018 16: 38
            +7
            Quote: Not a liberoid Russian
            ... the legacy of the screen, it’s even a pity that lustration was only there, in the Crimea, both sitting and sitting in their places ...

            I would not nod to durKain, it's still Sevastopol.
            He, under the previous regime, was exclusively Russian. The vast majority of the inhabitants of the city are Russians, and the power in the city was pro-Russian. Plus, do not forget - this city was, is and will be the main base of the Russian Black Sea Fleet.
            That’s why he takes a flurry.
            The thievery of hucksters, from the class of bureaucracy, money at all costs is our sore.
            And the trade in the graves of fallen soldiers is in general, beyond any understandingrequest
        5. 210ox
          210ox 19 February 2018 17: 52
          +1
          This is the primary question. In the end, it’s all the same to the prosecutor’s office.
          Quote: Andrey K
          Quote: 210ox
          ... But now it’s not the case for the bomb, but for the prosecutor’s office, although the bomb will fit for these idiots. It’s bad if there are no documents for this burial ...

          There are questions to the local administration, how was the burial place sold to a private trader?
        6. kashtak
          kashtak 19 February 2018 18: 41
          +1
          Quote: Andrey K
          There are questions to the local administration, how was the burial place sold to a private trader?

          the question is not only why the grave was not in the cemetery? it’s not at the cemetery they sold him a plot. and why didn’t they rebuild humanly if the plot went for development? just some vandalism. Is he a Satanist living on bones? or head tight? some kind of strange message. a check is needed here, and a serious one. there are documents for burial or not. the grave is still a grave.
        7. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 19 February 2018 19: 14
          +4
          Sevastopol is standing on the bones of dead soldiers and sailors ... Every meter is watered with human blood. Do not want burial in your area. Take turn to city power. They will help with the reburial. I know the guys who raise the dead in the WAR. They go to battlefields (officially) to search for and bury the dead. This "master" did not want to be a man ... There are many such Ivanovs who do not remember kinship in the country ...
        8. Lexa-149
          Lexa-149 20 February 2018 13: 10
          0
          it probably just was not registered. And this private trader is a moral hoopoe. Could arrange a reburial.
        9. Aleksey1982
          Aleksey1982 20 February 2018 15: 07
          0
          there (and not only) the whole city, one continuous burial, for good (my opinion) single graves need to be removed and reburied in official cemeteries
      2. lance
        lance 19 February 2018 17: 00
        +2
        locals may demand exhumation and there will be a completely different calico. the companion who had caught the grave was obliged to notify the authorities.
      3. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 19 February 2018 18: 27
        +3
        Quote: 210ox

        But here it’s not the case for the bomb, but for the prosecutor’s office. Although the bomb will fit for these idiots. It’s bad if there are no documents for this burial.

        Yes, it’s bad that the burial is not registered, but it must!
        But even worse, the official issuing documents for the building plot did not bother to inspect the plot.
        And yes, a normal person, seeing a grave on his site, continued construction?
        This is beyond my comprehension.
    3. Huumi
      Huumi 19 February 2018 18: 09
      0
      it could even be - and Larger! -MORE!
  2. Dzmicer
    Dzmicer 19 February 2018 15: 47
    +9
    The whole real price of demagogy about the “feat of ancestors”, “dear veterans” and historical memory in the Russian Federation is one note. .
    1. oldseaman1957
      oldseaman1957 19 February 2018 15: 52
      +5
      It’s not a matter of “demagogy”, but of conscience ...
    2. Muvka
      Muvka 19 February 2018 15: 55
      +4
      Quote: Dzmicer
      The whole real price of demagogy about the “feat of ancestors”, “dear veterans” and historical memory in the Russian Federation is one note. .

      Sick people and such creatures are everywhere. And consider such .... for the figure, at least strange.
      1. Dzmicer
        Dzmicer 19 February 2018 16: 05
        +7
        He was told that there was a grave. She was already clearly visible - a high mound with flowers on it. But he said that he bought land and will do with it what he wants.

        In Russia, this is the norm, rather (unfortunately) among the nouveau riche. Shadow beneficiaries and crime benefited from privatization in the first place (nomenclature and the KGB in the second), respectively, and their culture became dominant in the business environment. And there is no honor among thieves.
        1. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 19 February 2018 18: 33
          +1
          Quote: Dzmicer
          He was told that there was a grave. She was already clearly visible - a high mound with flowers on it. But he said that he bought land and will do with it what he wants.

          In Russia, this is the norm, rather (unfortunately) among the nouveau riche. Shadow beneficiaries and crime benefited from privatization in the first place (nomenclature and the KGB in the second), respectively, and their culture became dominant in the business environment. And there is no honor among thieves.

          I don’t understand, but what does the KGB have to do with it?
          1. Dzmicer
            Dzmicer 19 February 2018 18: 48
            +1
            See "Putin's friends" and "Lake" Co-op.
    3. siberalt
      siberalt 19 February 2018 16: 00
      +6
      They did not level the grave, but a mound. Now it's up to the search engines. But the burial must be moved, not to demolish the house. One upsets. What does the Sevastopol administration do if they do not want to remember the heroes?winked
      1. krops777
        krops777 19 February 2018 16: 10
        0
        What does the Sevastopol administration do if they don’t want to remember the heroes?


        The 20-year-old Khokhlyat propaganda was not in vain; many were brainwashed.
        1. bane's jacket
          bane's jacket 19 February 2018 16: 43
          +5
          Quote: krops777
          What does the Sevastopol administration do if they don’t want to remember the heroes?


          The 20-year-old Khokhlyat propaganda was not in vain; many were brainwashed.

          I’m really shocked. The Khokhlyat propaganda, for some reason, did not act on the Khokhlov, and under the Bandera’s, the grave was not demolished. Demolished it completely with others. Fastening.
          1. krops777
            krops777 19 February 2018 16: 54
            +1
            I’m really shocked. "Khokhlyat propaganda" for some reason did not act on the "Ukrainians" and under the "Bandera" the grave was not demolished


            Get away from the shock wink Bandera did not care about the small grave they had at that time things were more important, but the propaganda did its job, acted on everyone more on someone less.
            1. Antares
              Antares 19 February 2018 21: 30
              +2
              Quote: krops777
              Bandera did not care about the small grave they had at that time things were more important, but the propaganda did its job, acted on everyone more on someone less.

              everything good in the Russian Federation (such as in Crimea) comes from the Russian spirit, everything is bad from Ukraine ... even if Ukraine has not been there for a year, they still reached ... For 3 years there has been no propaganda? For 20 years they haven’t touched it now ... probably with a cry the Glory of Ukraine demolished the grave and compared it to the earth ..
              not funny ... in everything always see not your own fault, but others. All that is bad in the Crimea is definitely Ukraine's fault ... the Russian Federation was involved only in the good. But it wasn’t in Ukraine, but in the Russian Federation - but Ukraine is to blame anyway ....
              listen to exactly our "radicals" (in any case, Moscow is to blame). Even if you yourself ...
            2. bane's jacket
              bane's jacket 20 February 2018 17: 18
              0
              Quote: krops777
              I’m really shocked. "Khokhlyat propaganda" for some reason did not act on the "Ukrainians" and under the "Bandera" the grave was not demolished


              Get away from the shock wink Bandera did not care about the small grave they had at that time things were more important, but the propaganda did its job, acted on everyone more on someone less.

              I’m sorry, but why didn’t Russian propaganda beat them?
          2. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis 19 February 2018 19: 17
            +1
            Oh fast! You know how much Svidomo sits in Sevastopol and Crimea. Figs shovel expel! Quietly hate Russia and its history.
        2. kashtak
          kashtak 19 February 2018 18: 59
          +1
          if this is the burial of the deceased in the Second World War. then the question is why after the war they did not reburied in the cemetery. then they usually did that. it’s one thing when search engines find it, and another clearly visible burial place. Is this a fake case? the author has no information for almost three years. if not, it’s up to the prosecutor.
      2. alstr
        alstr 19 February 2018 17: 33
        +1
        I think that according to the documents they have this grave is simply not listed.
        Unfortunately, during the enlargement of burials in the 40s-60s, very often this was carried out formally. Monuments were moved, if there is more or less normal, but if as in the song "Under the plywood star", then at best they will add a line to the monument. But in fact, the bones were not tolerated.
        More precisely, everything depended on the specific place of the people. There were normal people who endured everything possible. No - the documents issued are reported and forgotten.
        At the same time, you need to understand that there were also enough other things on the ground at that time (one mine clearance cost a lot of things).
        But the worst thing is that at the end of the 50s, information about the primary graves was simply destroyed "out of need."
        So it turns out that in fact a significant part of the soldiers has in fact two graves: Under the monument, where his remains are not, and in the field without the monument, but the remains lie.

        Here we have such a bleak picture.
    4. DMB_95
      DMB_95 19 February 2018 16: 16
      +2
      Quote: Dzmicer
      The whole real price of demagogy about the “feat of ancestors”, “dear veterans” and historical memory in the Russian Federation is one note. .

      Well, of course, damn it ... On the example of some freaks, you concluded that "the real price of our historical memory."
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            1. DMB_95
              DMB_95 19 February 2018 18: 36
              +4
              There are no people around me who
              they keep their accounts, families, and real estate in the countries of the aggressive NATO bloc (which are uncontrollably opposed day and night), they give children education there, see the future for them there, and for the elderly they arrange beggarly pensions and mocking handouts on May 9th.
              Fortunately, I live among normal and decent people. In Russia . On the characters you have listed, you should not draw one-sided conclusions about all the others, and about our country as a whole.
              1. Dzmicer
                Dzmicer 19 February 2018 18: 50
                +1
                The state’s face is not made by “peyzans”, but by its political and economic elite.
                1. DMB_95
                  DMB_95 19 February 2018 20: 06
                  +1
                  The state is everything, and not just what you call the "elite." Spit on her, even if she seems to someone face.
  3. HEATHER
    HEATHER 19 February 2018 15: 47
    +7
    Impossible to prove? Well, what are you doing, people? Or the Hohlyak brain didn’t go away? Is it time to clean the Crimea? Too many problems arise. It’s time to besiege some
    1. CentDo
      CentDo 19 February 2018 15: 53
      +12
      Yes, it does not look like Crimeans. I quickly believe that this was done by someone from the newly arrived money bags. There was an opportunity to get a house in the resort, but the rest does not care.
  4. seti
    seti 19 February 2018 15: 49
    +4
    "The burial place is behind the fence and next to it is a private house" - is it destroyed or not? The author is determined ..
    1. d1m1drol
      d1m1drol 19 February 2018 15: 56
      +5
      The burial place is behind the fence, that is, the passage to it is closed. And also in the article it is indicated that the vertical layout was carried out with a bulldozer, that is, in other words, everything was leveled, the hill was cut with a bucket, ground with caterpillars and pulled across the entire area of ​​the site. What is the author not certain written?
      1. seti
        seti 19 February 2018 16: 29
        +3
        He wrote it is destroyed. And then it turns out that just behind the fence. These are all words not related to vandalism. In addition, we do not own all the information, but the people scream without understanding - atu damned. Or maybe the land owner will overlay the grave with a tile / fence and provide anyone with access to the grave? After all, no one had a chat with him? No, they didn’t talk ... And who sold him this land warned that there was a burial place?
        But he is in your comments already clearly a bastard.
        1. User
          User 19 February 2018 17: 41
          0
          Standing on the street. The plot is surrounded by a fence. Everything on the site, including the former burial site, is behind the fence relative to the person on the street. Or do you think that he left a grave near the house. What then would be questions about its availability there earlier, would come and see. fool
          1. seti
            seti 19 February 2018 18: 14
            0
            I do not think anything - I say that the article does not agree much. And there are questions to the grave (why it was still there), to the administration (why they sold the land and had the right to it), and only then questions to the person who acquired this land.
            Again, what happened to the burial. Maybe there was an exhumation, maybe it was destroyed, maybe it was preserved. Nothing is clear from the article, but the srach was lit in the comments. Some experts and patriots have no one to throw a stone at.
  5. svp67
    svp67 19 February 2018 15: 52
    +3
    Now Makarenko is preparing an appeal to the local administration.
    And what they thought before and WHY the burial was not registered? I don’t understand anything, so much work is carried out everywhere by search engines, the Ministry of Defense is working to find such burials and transfer them, and here Crimea has not been examined?
  6. Baloo
    Baloo 19 February 2018 15: 52
    +8
    Demolish a house, put up a monument.
  7. helmi8
    helmi8 19 February 2018 15: 52
    +1
    And if it was there - is it not fate to rebury? Or did the freedom of the eye overshadow?
    1. Kondratko
      Kondratko 19 February 2018 16: 08
      +2
      And with what conscience, and how can you live on the site, knowing that there was a burial on it, which of normal people would agree to this? Most likely this is one of the New York’s stoppots who built a mini-hotel for renting it out.
      How such ghouls on our land wears ...
      We have in the middle of one field where in 1943 there were battles with the Nazis there is a lonely grave, though there is a welded, already rusted monument with an asterisk on it, most likely the grave is also not registered, various cultures are constantly sown in this field and not a single person until a hand came up to do the same.
  8. Egorovich
    Egorovich 19 February 2018 15: 53
    +3
    Now this goat needs him to demolish his house with his own hands, restore the grave and send years on his heels to the bunks, so that he would think about his future existence.
  9. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 19 February 2018 15: 55
    +7
    It looks like some kind of stuffing, although there are enough freaks of course. If true, then the echo of war on his site ...
    1. starpom
      starpom 19 February 2018 16: 21
      +3
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      It looks like some kind of stuffing

      I agree. Neither the district of the city, nor the specific place is described. The forum has a lot of Sevastopol residents. One could check.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 19 February 2018 18: 38
        +1
        Quote: starpom
        One could check.

        http://sevastopol.su/news/po-mogile-neizvestnogo-
        soldata-v-sevastopole-proshlis-buldozerom
        1. starpom
          starpom 20 February 2018 19: 25
          +1
          Well, it was necessary to bring this article, and not write your own about anything
  10. Blue fox
    Blue fox 19 February 2018 15: 56
    +1
    how to prove it is impossible ??? The remains from the grave have not disappeared, and as for the owner of the site, then the whole country should learn about them.
  11. oldzek
    oldzek 19 February 2018 15: 57
    +1
    people rightly say: in a family there is a monster. maybe this type of ancestor fought on the Tashkent front during the Second World War at best. I don’t want to think about another option ....
    1. bsk_una
      bsk_una 19 February 2018 18: 33
      0
      Is it about power?
  12. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 19 February 2018 16: 03
    +2
    In vain this "mess" has done this. Now they will not leave him, and he will hiccup for a long time ... But one could transfer the burial place. Why did so, guessing is not necessary. Apparently, I did not understand the "trend". I think it will be indicative of a flush ...
  13. Alex-a832
    Alex-a832 19 February 2018 16: 06
    +2
    The prosecutor's office should initiate search work and the reburial of the remains of a warrior. The owner is clearly from the breed of pan-sauceheads, for whom nothing is holy, if only to buy lace underwear!
  14. Herculesic
    Herculesic 19 February 2018 16: 08
    +1
    Only one question - why the registry of such burials was not made? There was no money, or natural laziness?
    1. Blue fox
      Blue fox 19 February 2018 16: 20
      +6
      In fact, this is an all-Russian problem, even fraternal graves on the topographic maps of the Soviet era often disappear from subsequent editions of maps, especially after digitization, but even those that exist ... My friends and I organize campaigns to search for such lost graves, but even having more or less accurate coordinates, tied to the characteristic details of the terrain and landmarks, it is often very difficult to do this (for example, it’s almost ideal because of a clear quadrangular embankment, but I noticed it quite by accident and thanks to ko change the lighting, and before that held this place twice) In 2017, 4 times we went to look for one common grave, but we didn’t find it, and to the second area we simply could not get through the flooded veto.
    2. thinker
      thinker 19 February 2018 16: 39
      0
      “We have a register of military graves. But in none of them is this place designated as a grave, ”Khryachkov said.
      http://sevastopol.su/news/po-mogile-neizvestnogo-
      soldata-v-sevastopole-proshlis-buldozerom
  15. Prutkov
    Prutkov 19 February 2018 16: 12
    +3
    Someone told someone that he had once seen something ... But the wave went ...
    1. Yuyuka
      Yuyuka 19 February 2018 16: 50
      0
      Quote: Rods
      Someone told someone that he had once seen something ... But the wave went ...


      Well, duck, but there is something to discuss ... a dark story, let alone reburial is not a problem, but if you leave it, there are problems above the roof ...
  16. bald
    bald 19 February 2018 16: 19
    +1
    Humanly it was necessary to rebury. So that the owner at night, he appeared. Not funny.
  17. jekasimf
    jekasimf 19 February 2018 16: 22
    +7
    As a person, a little "in the subject." I want to advise you to stop "swallowing bones." A dozen search teams work in Sevastopol. The remains of soldiers are regularly found and reburied. And even if there is a grave that is not listed in the register. search engines. Everything is dug up and reburied with honors.
    Understand that if you didn’t build on the graves, you wouldn’t have Sevastopol. All Sevastopol is one big mass grave. And not only Russian-Soviet soldiers. There are any trenches or burial dugouts on two floors. The first are Soviet, the second are German soldiers.
    As for the article, in Sevastopol, there are constantly clashes between "power structures." And therefore, there is a constant stuffing.
    1. Yuyuka
      Yuyuka 19 February 2018 16: 52
      0
      As for the article, in Sevastopol, there are constantly clashes between "power structures." And therefore, there is a constant stuffing.

      as elsewhere ... because "do not read at night ... newspapers" hi
  18. hhhhhhh
    hhhhhhh 19 February 2018 16: 24
    0
    Propaganda of fascism in its purest form.
  19. Hurricane70
    Hurricane70 19 February 2018 16: 24
    +2
    What aroused that sprinkling bombs? When was the fate of the graves of the fallen interested in Kommersant? Believing Kommersant is a thankless task ... So dig a more respected source!
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 19 February 2018 18: 35
      +1
      Quote: Hurricane70
      Believe Kommersant is a thankless task ...

      Do not get excited. Sevastopol residents confirm.
      "On the grave of an unknown soldier in Sevastopol walked a bulldozer"
      http://sevastopol.su/news/po-mogile-neizvestnogo-
      soldata-v-sevastopole-proshlis-buldozerom
  20. ghby
    ghby 19 February 2018 16: 25
    +1
    If the burial took place, there may be a criminal offense under Article 244 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. But if the grave was not formed, the absence of a monument to the cross of the mound sign, then nothing will happen to anyone, and the remains should be reburied. In general, if remains are discovered during excavation, the police and a committee investigator should be invited for clearance.
  21. abeluk
    abeluk 19 February 2018 16: 27
    +1
    In Sevastopol, every meter is littered with the bones of the city’s defenders. Every year there is a reburial of the remains of warriors. as the museum says 35 batteries - people bring bones in packages from summer cottages, gardens - they still find that to rebury.
  22. anjey
    anjey 19 February 2018 16: 31
    0
    loot and moral principles rarely go together ...
  23. thinker
    thinker 19 February 2018 16: 34
    0
    She was already clearly visible - a high mound with flowers on it

    And why not a fence, or a cross, or a pyramid with a star? There are many mounds with flowers. What does this council of veterans of the village of Dalnee do?
  24. Slovak
    Slovak 19 February 2018 16: 52
    +1
    Living on a grave ... In a hurry, or what? It would be nice if he did not have children, for some reason ...
  25. Zubr
    Zubr 19 February 2018 17: 01
    +1
    Here is another one that does not remember kinship. Really the prosecutor's office, it will slow down?
  26. lance
    lance 19 February 2018 17: 09
    0
    in any case, research and exhumation must be carried out. people will spit on the door to the owner
  27. 1536
    1536 19 February 2018 17: 12
    +1
    The trouble with our government is that the people sitting in it do not understand at all that people and information must be dealt with in the same way as with the budget and contracts. Moreover, in such cases, the information is primary, and then everything else. For seventy-odd years could not humanly bury a warrior in a memorial cemetery? They could not find out who is there, although the archives perform such search functions properly? Some kind of stupidity.
  28. Square
    Square 19 February 2018 17: 48
    0
    Here are those on
    Under a progressive patriotic regime - and such an embarrassment
  29. SCHWERIN
    SCHWERIN 19 February 2018 18: 02
    +2
    In the early 60's, a schoolboy rested in the summer near Leningrad in the village of Vartemyaki, Leningrad region. The village was located north of Leningrad. My grandfather, a retiree and his wife rented a “summer house” there. Hunter and fisherman, he often took me with him for fishing. The forests there were dense (Moldovan lumberjacks were not there yet and the “businessmen" didn’t cut down the forest), there were a lot of fish in the rivers.
    Before the war, the government, worried about the activity of Finnish "partners" and German "friends", built there a powerful 22 SD, which restrained the advance of the general people, but the city was blocked from the north by "partners". So the databases there were serious. And by the way, it was the URs in the northern directions that kept the Finns in check and did not allow them to develop an attack on Leningrad and naturally the heroism of the Red Army, and not the unwillingness of Baron Mannerheim, the former Russian general, to attack Leningrad (St. Petersburg) where he spent most of his life. But this is about history.
    So here. In the forest by the lake where we stayed, I found a grave hill. A sign with the names of two soldiers of the Red Army was nailed on a log pillar. The inscription was readable. I called my grandfather. They removed the tablet.
    The next day, the grandfather went to the village council, took the plate and said that he would show the place of the grave. But none of the local officials came. Then I asked my grandfather about this. He said that he was again in the village council, but they lost the tablet (threw it away?). In short, they did not want to go to the forest. Grandfather died soon, and my friend and I went to these places, but many years passed and we did not find a place. So many years have passed and I regret that it did not occur to me to write the data in a notebook. Maybe over time relatives of these people would be found.
    And you say Crimea, Sevastopol, officials, Ukrainians and private owners.
  30. HMR333
    HMR333 19 February 2018 18: 10
    0
    Well, if this is not a fake, then he just had to rebury there are special organizations, and so it would be worth punishing the ruble and holding a conversation about humanity!
  31. New Year day
    New Year day 19 February 2018 18: 27
    +1
    The topic is not new. At Cape Fiolent, which has become the mass grave of tens of thousands of sailors, soldiers, officers, high-rise buildings are being built. Local residents protested as best they could, but the result is negative. The house is being built by the former Minister of Defense of Ukraine, and permission was given by the former governor, Vice Admiral S. Menyaylo.
    And the matter is not only in this grave, if it was there, the fact is, in Sevastopol there are still many unregistered burials - member of the Public Chamber of Sevastopol Grigory Donets.
    Such an attitude towards the dead was in the USSR, and has survived now. It's not about the "outskirts", it's about the faces. forgotten about their ancestors.
    There is such a town - "Myasnaya Bor" in the Novgorod region. The Moscow-Leningrad highway was laid on the bones of our soldiers, power lines are also on the remains of soldiers.
    The authorities remember the dead and the living on May 9, at the end of May, already forgot.
    It is sad and sad.
    Who prevented the authorities from registering graves and reburial of the remains? They don’t need to search for them, they are nearby and they were not needed. From this we must begin the upbringing of our children, and not with movies about the war.
  32. bsk_una
    bsk_una 19 February 2018 18: 32
    0
    Few rogues in Russia have yet joined rogues in Crimea. This is power.
  33. Old military officer
    Old military officer 19 February 2018 18: 42
    +1
    Why be surprised? If the worship of the golden calf is intensified. And, at the same time, freedom, and I have the right. It’s not customary to talk about responsibilities anywhere.
  34. Dormidont
    Dormidont 19 February 2018 19: 22
    0
    For a long time they still have to squeeze drop by drop
  35. New Year day
    New Year day 19 February 2018 19: 43
    +1
    On this topic from Sevastopol.
    In short:
    1. was there a grave or not - the data are contradictory
    2. The plot previously belonged to a private trader and was sold
    3. the buyer is ready to fence off the land if there is a grave.
    more details-
    http://news.allcrimea.net/news/2018/2/19/v-sevast
    opole-razgorelsya-skandal-s-mogiloi-krasnoarmeits
    a-97970 /
  36. Grim Reaper
    Grim Reaper 19 February 2018 19: 49
    +1
    Building a house on bones will not lead to anything good.
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  38. Bare
    Bare 19 February 2018 20: 38
    +1
    Oblige everyone, by law, who acquires land plots with the burial of WWII warriors, to look after the graves for life and pass from generation to generation for life, to establish strict control. Cruel punishment for failure to comply with the law.
    Who erases his story is doomed.
  39. Zomanus
    Zomanus 20 February 2018 00: 13
    0
    What about the officials, so Crimea is still Ukrainian.
    The same thieving h.ohly and remained mainly at posts in small administrations.
    So there’s more than one purge ahead ...
  40. Urantian
    Urantian 20 February 2018 09: 56
    +1
    It is necessary to identify and punish those officials who sold this site to private property ...
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  42. igor67
    igor67 20 February 2018 18: 03
    0
    Svarog51,
    thank you
  43. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 20 February 2018 22: 03
    +1
    Well this is Sevastopol. Not Sevas is for the especially touchy. There cannot be such a principle there. Only positive people live there. Great patriots, philanthropists, altruists, and so on. with whom I talked enough for two and a half years.
  44. New Year day
    New Year day 21 February 2018 00: 00
    +1
    Marina Gavrilenko, chairman of the Sevastopol association of the Dolg search units, said she had never heard of any grave of an unknown soldier in the village of Dalnee. “All registered individual graves must be registered with the military registration and enlistment office, where there is a special catalog of military graves and individual graves associated with the Great Patriotic War. What is at stake - I can’t even imagine, ”she explained. Theoretically, the study of a possible burial, she said, could take two to three days.
    The head of the municipality expressed the hope that the misunderstanding with the supposedly destroyed grave would soon be resolved. To this end, he intends to seek help from search squads. “I'm already ready for anything. The deputy governor called me about this, ”he said about the consequences. - They also wrote on Ukrainian sites that the occupation administration is leveling the graves - “bastards are simple!”

    The head of the Verkhnesadovsk municipal district of Sevastopol Mikhail Khryachkov: “They lie! Yesterday we went to the place, interviewed local residents who have been living there since birth. There, nearby, on a hill, is a monument. They threw out wilted flowers. A bunch has formed. Flowers began blooming. But there was never any grave there. ”