Private died, wounding himself in the military unit of the Amur region

RIA News referring to the site of the ombudsman in the Chelyabinsk region reports on the tragic outcome of the incident in one of the military units of the Amur region. The submission says that Yevgeny Kuvaytsev, who received a wounded in the head of an ordinary conscript service in January, died. From the publication:

Yevgeny Kuvaytsev, a 18-year-old conscript from Kropachevo, died this morning in the hospital. He was found on January 26 with gunshot wounds to the head in the military unit of the Belogorsk garrison. The Commissioner for Human Rights Margarita Pavlova expresses her deepest condolences to the relatives and friends of the deceased.

Earlier (January 26) in the clothes of a wounded in the head conscript, who was at the station for the protection of ammunition, a note was found in which he refers to relatives. Before that, the serviceman tore off a seal from one of the boxes and used ammunition for firing from combat weapons.
From the report:

It was found that a soldier wrote a note in which the soldier says goodbye to his relatives. This was confirmed by the expertise, which insisted the relatives. The Military Prosecutor’s Office of the Belogorsk Garrison of the WWERD established the fact of human rights violation (“hazing”) ... revealed the fact of the use of physical violence by military personnel of the military unit 25 in January M. X. AT. there were beatings, physical pain, moral suffering, his honor and dignity were humiliated.

The investigation considers what happened to bring suicide. A criminal case was initiated under the relevant article of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, and the commander of the military unit 98671 received an idea of ​​eliminating violations of the law.
The fact of non-statutory relations between conscripts with a reduced service life of up to one year indicates obvious problems with working with personnel in a single military unit.
Photo of Yevgeny Kuvaytsev, called for 8 on November 2017 of the year, from the page of VK, which he last visited on January 26 in 4: 11:

Comments

[Anarchist]

Is there any kind of control, monitoring the emotional state of the military? After all, before identifying a soldier as a guard, he must be checked for mental deviations ...
How many more soldiers should shoot themselves so that officials cease neglecting their duties?

[oldseaman1957]

Sorry for the boy, I sympathize with my parents ...

[Tatyana]

I have no words! Women for this boy give birth so that they end their life like this ?!
Where were the commanders so that military unit could happen ?!

What a sorrow! Parents of the son will not return! And no condolences will help them to survive such grief without consequences! But Russia itself will not return the defender of the Fatherland - a young soldier!
All that remains is for everyone to grieve together about what happened!

[yehat]

I believe the incident is a direct consequence of the chain of command
I think it would be adequate to lower ALL commanders from the guy’s command chain in this unit by 1 rank (not lower than ml. lieutenant), and not to submit violations to correction.
hazing is really sick of it and condones this inaction of the commanders.
Rushing to extremes and feeling sorry for the soldiers is also not worth it, but what happened says about the loss of control over the unit. This is not an army, but a cheap booth.

[Vadim237]

Yes, the commanders do not care what’s going on with the soldiers - the main thing is not to make dirty linen in public.

[Humans war]

Almost half of the relationship in the army is based on the principle “I'm not cool,” he recently served, a witness to this. A healthy bull determines the less weak, physically and spiritually, who needs to go where, although he himself is just as ordinary, this is especially unpleasant in the morning harvest. And the elders and commanders at least henna, there is no way to pinch this bastard no poher. That’s why we got laid down. Sorry for the soldier to live and live for him, but here ...

[siberalt]

First of all, you need to see how mentally healthy the guy was sent to the army.

[Esoteric]

Quote: siberalt

First of all, you need to see how mentally healthy the guy was sent to the army.

First of all, you need to put yourself in the place of his parents ...

[Anarchist]

It's already like someone ... I'm not going to! My father taught me from childhood - "eat the earth, tear off nails on stones, knock down your legs, hands in blood, but cling to life! I need you, mother, my country, unborn children!"
I fundamentally disagree with you!

Quote: Esoteric

First of all, you need to put yourself in the place of his parents ...

But to parents and relatives, I’m sorry ...

[novel66]

same stuff. everything is fixable except death ...

[yehat]

people can lose all their strength to fight for life.
you don’t even need to shoot - and so they can die.
But it is always a SYSTEMATIC process. It rarely happens all of a sudden
and if the command is not in vain to eat their bread, they will definitely notice.

[oldseaman1957]

Quote: siberalt

First of all, you need to see how mentally healthy the guy was sent to the army.

- A huge number of domestic boys plunge into the present CLOAK of life completely unprepared. And the army is far from sugar ...

[yehat]

Who is stopping the army from preparing for non-sugar, introducing some kind of training before training?

[zadorin1974]

The middle son passes the term. He went around meaningfully. Honestly, what they show and speak in the box is fundamentally different from the real realities. First, from the beginning, the Son defended his diploma in "Technician-mechanic of agricultural mechanization" received tractor rights in two categories, additionally received I’m a gas-electric welder, at the age of 15 I met the CCM norm in rally. I studied at DOSAAF in two categories, the result: I got into 344 school courses, they started to teach him how to cook! Since my time, nothing has changed, as there was a poher for the money invested in the training of conscripts The min of defense remained. We go further - At the expense of the zhrachki, the first month in the dining room was simply disgusting (and the guy I’m not picky, since childhood with me on competitions and fishing trips) It became easier when they themselves began to cook for school. lucky with the company-worthy officer-son, he still remembers him with good. The form in the training was given a third term — mine has two holes in his pants — he laughs and says that it’s almost new, the guys in front of his eyes oolzatsya. Well, and on the little things-stripes, soap-digging for their own blood. At the end of the training they passed the uniform. At minus temperature they drove in summer uniform (olive was given on the collection) for two days on a military steam locomotive (which, at every post, slows down, I say from our time, nothing has changed) then on awnings up to a part of 200 km. Snot to the stump and coughing earned. I got into the air defense in the second echelon of cover, the platoon of the MTO division, the driver. So who will try to explain to me WHAT HE DOED IN THE TRAINING ??? another six months. The division was also immediately warned about the non-standard diesel without long trials.

[Hauptmann emil]

I don’t even know from which part of this tale, there is no THIS comment. What kind of nonsense? And do you (adult) believe in this?

[To be or not to be]

Inundated states psychologists.
Introduce plan for the politicians.
And the cart will be there ...
Why?
1. What kind of society - such and soldiers and orders in the army. The moral is lost. The gap in the school between education and upbringing
2. Laws do not work or are not equal for everyone from here - fear is lost ..
3. The problems of the junior command staff .. which is constantly in the midst of the soldiers. Their selection and preparation. There are no real elders .STARSHIN units - and dad and mom and psychologist and commissioner!

[krops777]

Is there any kind of control, monitoring the emotional state of the military? After all, before identifying a soldier as a guard, he must be checked for mental deviations ...

Yes, it’s been all for a long time to all of us, this problem has never been solved, nor has anyone explained to the kid that hazing is just temporary difficulties that will sooner or later end, alas, there are always enough moral monsters everywhere. The guy and parents are sorry.

[would]

How do you imagine this control? As a sugar test, they took blood and there is a step to the left, a step to the right, and going beyond the normal range? This does not happen. A man speaks beautifully, smiles, walks as usual, no one suspects anything, and at this time the devil knows what's going on inside him. You can’t get into a person’s head, if he himself doesn’t want to tell, then finding out how his emotional state is very difficult.

Psychical deviations? Only the most severe can be diagnosed with a brief conversation or external observation. All others can remain a secret, some can be interpreted as physical illnesses or personality traits. I personally know 2 cases when completely from and to adequate soldiers whom no one suspected suddenly in the middle of the service (one of them in the spring) showed a severe mental disorder with subsequent hospitalization in Durkee. According to the test results, both of them had normal Neuropsychiatric Resistance with access to arms. One of them was put on guard and the one who put it said to me, "Put from and to a normal guy, I generally could not suspect that it would turn out like this afterwards ...".

So you demand that the psychiatrists do the impossible, there are no quick and effective methods to check how mentally healthy a person is and even how mentally stable he is because the test for an NPI considers an NPI only at the time of the test itself. And it’s not worth talking at all about psycho-souls in a unit or even more so in a military registration and enlistment office, delirium and obscurantism.

[yehat]

there are no “suddenly” disorders
and analysis should not be limited to fixing "normal" behavior.
Each person has motives, goals. Often there is an accumulation of fatigue or negativity.
They need to be watched, not deeds.

[would]

It happens that all psychiatrists wonderfully know that a number of diseases can occur suddenly and extremely acutely.

and analysis should not be limited to fixing "normal" behavior.

Well, let's suggest. All world psychiatry does not know other reliable methods and is not just unable to accurately understand whether a person is healthy or not, and even if he is unhealthy he often cannot specify the pathology and symptoms. All world psychiatry is based on descriptive diagnostics, that is, what external manifestations of internal processes are seen by an outside observer and recorded. But he does not have access to the internal processes themselves, he cannot fix them and evaluate the outcome. It was for this that there was an analogy with a blood test, a blood test is the objective data of internal processes, symptoms are external manifestations. If you can change this, you will be a Nobel nominee, without jokes and sarcasm, because this is the real problem of psychiatry that is trying to treat diseases the nature of which it does not understand ... nobody knows the exact action drugs.

Each person has motives, goals. Often there is an accumulation of fatigue or negativity.
They need to be watched, not deeds.

It is so interesting how do you look negative? Here is how? A man is sitting in front of you, smiling, saying that everything is fine and you have no reason not to believe him. So what? What's next? How do you suggest the psychologist to find out if this is true or not?

It is especially funny to hear about the "motives and goals of a person" in relation to mental illness, a huge part of which is not connected with either one or the other. Just at a certain point, for example, the chemical balance in the central nervous system is violated and a person gets clinical depression against the background of general well-being, or obsessive-compulsive disorder. With the latter, I somehow watched a child, grabbed during a happy summer vacation, he cried in impotence, but could not do anything with himself. I met schizophrenics who sincerely wanted to be cured, but somehow it didn’t help, I met schizophrenics who didn’t understand that they were sick, they simply “skewed” them against the background of general well-being. It works this way, of course there are triggers that can trigger a mental illness, but at the same time, this easily manifests itself without them.

So I advise you to study the mathematical part because what you write indicates complete illiteracy in the matter.

[yehat]

90% of cases are not some unexpected problems, but problems whose growth has been visible to everyone for a long time. This psychologist / psychiatrist / foreman can notice.

[would]

As I said, you should study the mathematical part because you don’t understand the nature of mental illness at all, most of which cannot physically arise due to some “problems in life” and, as a result, make basic mistakes. For example, the same schizophrenia has absolutely specific inherited genetic causes, and now it is believed that heredity is the main cause of the disease.

Let me tell you how "problems whose growth has been visible to everyone for a long time" affect human genes.

Then tell me how a major depressive disorder occurs due to certain problems and how they affect the presence of biomarkers in the blood. Yeah, psychiatry is trying to get objective methods of assessment, and so they got the knowledge that with BDR in the blood there are certain markers that an ordinary person does not have.

Secondly, the problems that everyone sees mean that the person is talking about them. If he does not tell about them, then they are not visible to anyone. Have you ever encountered the fact that a child at school can be brutally mocked and bullied, and parents are not a dream? Therefore, you didn’t answer what my psychologist did, you don’t have an answer how to make a person talk about what he doesn’t want to talk about, and sometimes even remember.

[yehat]

for some reason, you reduce everything to some kind of world-wide medical exception and I cannot agree
I myself did not serve in the army, but my brother served in the district hospital of Novosibirsk, and when I came to visit him, I had seen enough than enough.
the bulk of accidents is simply the extreme neglect of the problem.
for example, scurvy, unsanitary conditions, massive self-arrows of demobilization, which languish in part from doing nothing, or EVERY year the tanks crush one of the soldiers in the Novosibirsk district or charge minus 35 without outer clothing (and deaths from colds), and freezing point of water. This is what you need to notice, not what you say. Nothing special is needed here except attention.

[would]

for some reason, you reduce everything to some kind of world-wide medical exception and I cannot agree

You can boil down to the exceptions, I reduce to the official position of modern medicine when most of the mental illnesses are not directly related to human well-being. It is heredity, if it is wrong, then you will become schizophrenic, that is, you will receive the most frequent psychiatric diagnosis in the Russian Federation.

Then you write about a completely different problem and situations. Here we talked about the diagnosis of mental illness in military recruits and the assessment of their condition in dynamics, which is in no way connected with the one you listed.

[yehat]

What kind of psychology is it? they hit a guy, he could not stand it and an incident happened. Where is the diagnosis at all? There is only a lack of prevention.

It would be better if official medicine solved the problem of going crazy with idle demobilization. That's where the benefit would be.

[would]

What kind of psychology is it?

In the message to which I replied.

[gromoboj]

And in the event of hostilities, will everyone shoot themselves without exception?

[210ox]

Relatives and relatives condolences .. Commander, open the box and .... How did this soldier.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: 210ox

Relatives and relatives condolences ..To the commander, open the box and .... How did this soldier.

I don’t know how it is now - I haven’t been in the barracks for 25 for years, I have not read the Guard Charter of the RF Armed Forces either. But if something like in the USSR Armed Forces, then I wonder - if he was on guard - what kind of seals did he tear down there? He already has three stores with him. And if, for example, the orderly, then how did he get into the arms (INSIDE which, by the way, there were no seals IN OUR time). I'm not talking about situations where weapons simply stand in a tent near the bunks at the bedside table - there the case itself is impossible. People are different.
And one more moment. Now, of course, the command of the part with the fur inward through the anus is turned out. Maybe it’s right. And I would add to the number of twisted military commissar and medical board from the military commissariat. If the conscript is more able to sit on VKontakte than “endure the hardships and deprivations of military service”, as the Oath requires, so why poke him in the troops? Do you plan to execute the appeal? They would have sent to an alternative - to carry pots to the nursing home. And the kid would be alive, and the commanders of the stars are intact ...

[Bomb]

The conscription service has long been a pioneer camp, and still a non-instructor ... it doesn’t fit in my head like that.

[yehat]

the elders turned my jaw in the pioneer camp when they beat me,
there were constantly bastards who spoiled life from the undercoat.
it’s even easier in the army.

[Lexus]

It is doubly sad - both the man died, and the defender of the Fatherland could not even stand up for himself. Condolences to family and friends.

[anjey]

even though there is one call, people in both physical and moral-psychological categories can be all different, they are people and not tin soldiers and all the flaws of our society are inherent to them ....

[anjey]

although there is a rational grain in the depersonalization of a soldier, but with a gesture of discipline, where everyone is equal and the charter is the same for everyone, where there are no favorites, informers, white-collar and bohemian children, thugs from crime, fleeing the army from prison, there is a team, a team with a single common task for a year of service ..., that's just who it depends on, what would happen?

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: anjey

although there is a rational grain in the depersonalization of a soldier,but with a gesture of discipline, where everyone is equal and the charter is the same for everyone, where there are no favorites, informers, white-collar and bohemian children, thugs from crime, fleeing the army from prison, but there is a team, a team with a common task for a year of service ... ,that's just who it depends on, what would be so?

Anonymization is NECESSARY in the army, as well as the principle of unity of command, excluding all democracy. Remember the General (G.Zhzhenov) from "Hot Snow"?

If I remember that every soldier has a mother, a family who are waiting for him home, then I can not send him to death

And the ability to send to death is a difficult but integral part of the work of any commander - from a platoon to a front commander .....
And discipline depends on the commander. I myself have never told the soldiers anything about "hazing" - for this they have junior commanders, and I have subordinates. But tightly kept order. I would never have Dembel dragging a “mashka” through the barracks in the morning and wouldn’t go to the kitchen to go to a “disco”. His job is to explain to the “Chizhiks” what he himself learned in a year and a half so that they too survive to the demobilization. But NEVER GIVE GOD, the “little guy” will wash the demobilization or make up the bed - I’ll challenge that “hero” to myself and personally, so that this demobilization will go home disabled ..... “Fell-wrung out” for “ Chizhika "because the weapon is not cleaned - in the order of things. For the fact that he brought the wrong cigarettes from the “chip” - right away from that damper my stars and my fist begins to loom before my eyes ...

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: anjey

even one call , people in both physical and moral-psychological categories can be all different

At the end of the 80's, when the Brokeback Dog, on the wave of democratization and publicity, unfolded the theme of "bullying", they conducted an experiment - they completed companies with one call - thank God, not with me !!!!! The result - five times worse than "hazing" !!! We then had 4 appeal, so the authority rested on the experience, training, combat coordination, and the service life from which all this stems - including. And in experimental companies - on a fist and arrogance, as in a zone .... In general, then the matter was dispersed quickly, despite the fierce cries of the Committee of Soldiers' Moms .....

[MIG00001]

It was necessary first to end with yublyutki who can not behave like people. In general, the army needs to be selected with a stable psyche since in case of war the weak awakens from the weak.

[Hariton laptev]

Quite right, one lousy sheep will gather a little shobochka around itself and begin to poison those who either can not or do not want to repulse physically (I immediately explain that there are people who before waving their fists know that by this they violate the law).

[KVU-NSVD]

[/ quote] Sorry for the guy .. condolences to relatives ... Where did the platoon company-watched the battalion commander ?! . In general, the story is muddy .. [quote] Before that, a soldier tore a seal from one of the boxes and used ammunition for firing from military weapons.
From the report:

Where then was the nachkar and his assistant, if the fighter was in the resting shift and was under their control. And if at the post, then why would he open something, deceased and so on in the pouch? Therefore, the suicide version is worth a closer look. I hope that the immediate culprits will sniff the discord to the fullest, and the platoon - the company ones will not get off with a slight fright, especially since one of them was most likely a nachkar. The deepest condolences to parents ... although you can’t return the kid ..

[izya top]

analysis is needed. but without a “committee of soldiers’s mothers” (I didn’t mention it by night). or I decided to eat in one year, or unrequited love (at 18 there are such troubles now due to all kinds of instagrams and contacts).
again, the company may be (h) a punch or a soldier with a complete scumbag.
a bunch of options. let it be silent-be sorted out first

[Hariton laptev]

The worst thing is that the unregistered between his call, and therefore in the location is not so much hazing but as the right of a stronger and more impudent. Obviously zadolbali kid, that's all. It's a shame that the boy did not find another way, but how to find it when you are only 18 and the whole world is against you? even if you don’t get into the commander’s father, they’ll write down informers and it will be even worse. Except as the negligence of the commanders is nothing more. And you need to recover in all the severity of the law.
And let them answer the question why, for one, the law on hazing is a law, and for another, the sound is empty. and who should enforce the law in the military?

[MIG00001]

"how much more powerful and arrogant is the right" this garbage can be easily traced back to school and chopped in the bud while they can be brought up from grade 2 everything is clear already, and not wait until they grow up and spoil people's lives doing racketeering and bullying

[would]

even if you don’t get into the commander’s father, they’ll write down informers and it will be even worse.

Under normal command this is, to put it mildly, untrue. How many times have I seen such "informers" and I can never remember that after their "informers" they would have done anything. I remember even the guy was just otmazali from SOCHI, he ran away from the unit to the stairwell to the political officer and said that he was demanding money from him with threats, the political officer made him drink tea and biscuits, made sure there was no SOCHI, after the extortionists began to fly along the walls. In some cases, they threw them to another unit where they served their terms without question.

But if the command is abnormal or, moreover, supports a non-regular (there is such a thing), then yes. Here only to break from such a part to another.

[Lucy]

This I did not understand.
....... Before that, a soldier tore a seal from one of the boxes and used ammunition for firing from military weapons ........
And that zinc with AKM cartridges is stored in the fresh air. Well this is how many boxes you need to check the guard at the next sentry. And now they don’t give out cartridges?

Woe to the parents.

[GRIGORIY76]

Conscripts write tests for the guard every 3 months, plus a test on the day they enter the guard. All these tests are taken from the workstation AW program, randomly tests for the current state there are 7-8. Once he wrote “as it should” or wrote it off from an older comrade who regularly bought everything in his outfit. The year of my term was the year of work in the PMR, so I know what I'm talking about, I do not care for all of these tests.

[TOR2]

After such cases, the assignment of the next rank to some officers needs to be very well pushed back. Then they will begin to take an interest in what happens in their company (platoon). And the abbreviation VU (graduate of the school) can easily turn into a platoon die. I have no words...

[Siberian]

In my female mind, everything is very simple. It can be easily stopped. True, my proposal is not entirely democratic: if a healthy kid was called up, then the fathers (or brothers) commanders were to blame. If with deviations, then why did they take it, and the draft commission is 100% to blame. Within 10 days (including weekends and holidays) must understand each other, prove and make a decision. If you could not figure it out - everyone - into the garden.

[would]

After such cases, the assignment of the next rank to some officers must be very well pushed back.

I’ll tell you about one such case:

A fighter Matrosov enters the utility room and sees his colleague Andreev sitting on a high vat in front of the noose and sobbing. He assesses the situation, takes the stairs and begins to slowly climb to Andreev, simultaneously distracting him with his conversations, “What happened? Does anyone offend you? Maybe I was wrong about something?” And Andreyev, through sobbing at this time, says that "You are good, but today I received a letter from my mother’s house. 6 of my friends sailed on the river on the raft, the raft turned over, they all drowned." But the fighter Matrosov persuaded him to get down from there, called for someone and Andreeva in an insane state was hid in the sanitary unit and began to disassemble the state of emergency.

A letter came from mom, I need to find it. But there is no letter. Strange ... Well, if not, let’s call mom, they called mom first, they asked with leading questions like they have there. Nothing. After they asked directly, and my mother said that all this is nonsense, she did not send any letters, there were no 6 friends and other things. And then the PND, Andreev’s commission on psychiatry with an unambiguous verdict of a psychiatrist.

All surnames are fictitious, but the story from and to is real and happened not so long ago. So, accordingly, think about what would happen if the Matrosov fighter walked past the premises and why absolutely uninvited officers should be punished for this. It happens in different ways, some from hazing, and some from the roof that went.

[friend of animals]

The point is not only hazing, but also loads. My brother slept 4-5 hours a day. There were cases when, after the guard, we were allowed to sleep for a couple of hours and put on duty by company because of a lack of people. The food itself was crap and did not allow to recover normally. On the phone, it was felt that the person was simply exhausted. In such a situation, yes, plus hazing, a person can lay hands on himself without deviations in the psyche. Which happens in its part once every two or two years.

[Lacoste]

how many of these are half a million draftees every year? the most c-collars and pull up, and on a civilian even more of the same every year. Only they are brought by unrequited love (at 13 or some years there) and death groups in contact. Only downs can do this.

[Urantian]

Such creatures frostbitten, as a soldier M, need to be shot like mad dogs ...

[annodomene]

Damn, no words ... And already ONE year they are serving, and the conditions in the barracks are normal, and all of about one year, and the commanders of all levels are bending for l / s. What x ... rena still need? Well, I don’t see what conscripts can be divided.

[would]

Damn, there are no words ... And already ONE year they are serving, and the conditions in the barracks are normal, and all of about one year, and the commanders of all levels are bending for l / s

The barracks are not everywhere and not always, just 3 years ago, one of them collapsed in Omsk on the heads of fighters. There are a bunch of barracks built back in the USSR with violations of all possible norms. The years of the fighters are very different, from 18 to 25.

Commanders do not bend everywhere. Once, one colonel told me, "Imagine that the two parts are not easy to stand next to, but are separated by only one fence. And the soldiers meet each other only in one common dining room. In these two parts, which are standing close to each other, everything can be decidedly different. "

[poxmelie]

I convicted went to the army, a year and a half on guard in a day

[Krasnoyarsk]

= Earlier (on January 26), in the clothes of a recruiter wounded in the head, who was at the post for guarding ammunition, a note was discovered in which he addresses relatives. Before that, a soldier tore a seal from one of the boxes and used ammunition for firing from military weapons. =
I didn’t understand, was he guarding a warehouse with ammunition without ammunition in his “rifle”? What was forced to open the box with cartridges? Nonsense. This is the first.
The second one. I don’t know what kind of V / H, but if the motorized infantry, then com. companies, com.bat., com regiment - must pay a lifetime pension to the parents of the boy. It was not for this that they sent him to the army so that some ghoul would mock him, while his immediate commanders at that time drank beer from the pubs, instead of constantly serving in the unit entrusted to them. For what they receive money, by the way. And each with an asterisk with epaulettes with a demotion.