Nevskoye Design Bureau has developed a modernized version of the Ivan Gren BDK

Nevskoye design bureau has prepared a project for the modernization of large landing ships of the type "Ivan Gren".

If fleet if there is a desire, we are ready to provide a modernized design of this ship with improved habitability and seaworthiness

- Sergey Vlasov, the general director of Nevsky PKB, said in an interview with TASS.

This ship is really a very difficult fate, but we still bring it to mind. Initially, a technical assignment was issued to a ship that would go on inland waterways, rivers and canals. Accordingly, the task was laid its width, height and draft. Then the BDK had to be reworked in a naval ship: it was necessary to change the height of the superstructure and make some changes to the project. They became the cause of today's problems. There was no time to re-do the project, I had to bring to mind what was. The result is obvious

- added Vlasov.

"Ivan Gren" - the lead ship of the project 11711, developed in PJSC "Nevskoye Design Bureau". It was laid on Yantar PSZ in December 2004 of the year, launched in May 2012 of the year. Factory running trials began in June 2016 of the year. 30 November 2017, the large landing ship Ivan Gren, sailed to the Baltic Sea, where it began carrying out a state testing program. They were suspended at the end of December 2017.

The ship holds 13 main tanks, 36 armored personnel carriers or infantry fighting vehicles or 300 paratroopers. It is possible to deliver to the destination a reinforced company of marine corps with standard equipment and land them on pontoons brought with them. The armament of the ship consists of six-barreled automatic guns with a caliber of 30 millimeters, two transport and combat helicopters Ka-29 are based in deck hangars.

Comments

[210ox]

Good. Only faster than with the lead ship ..

[bouncyhunter]

If the fleet has a desire, we are ready to provide a modernized design of this ship with improved habitability and seaworthiness.

A question for shipbuilders: does this not concern the ship’s hull directly?

[Shura Sailors]

Those. eventually build a brand new ship?

[NEXUS]

Quote: 210ox

Good. Only faster than with the lead ship ..

While there is no domestic gas turbine, it is too early to talk about it.

[akribos]

Very good news, there will be something to read about for another 20 years.

[starogil]

And on whose engines?

[Igor V]

"There was no time to do the project again, I had to bring to mind what was. The result is obvious"
That is still being brought up! And of course, there was no time.

[donavi49]

Well this one can’t be brought fundamentally. There are actually two options. Either the Navy bends under reality - or does not bend. That's all. It cannot be squeezed into stability requirements. By maneuvering - perhaps a little tucked up.

[Some kind of compote]

details of modernization are not clearly disclosed

[svp67]

The result is obvious

- and the result is that so far the SHIP TO THE Navy IS NOT TRANSFERRED and it is not known when it will be transferred

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

The reasons for long-term construction are objective. Similarly, due to the constant changes in the project, the head of the BDK of the 1174 project “Ivan Rogov” was built at the Yantar Shipyard in Kaliningrad only in the 1978 year, 14 years after the issuance of the TTZ.

[ver_]

... * death will always find the cause * ...

[donavi49]

President of the United Shipbuilding Corporation Alexei Rakhmanov:
"We are waiting for what is called, any minute. The main decisions have been made, the task is to complete all the necessary tests. I think that by the end of spring we will have to finish all these works," he said.

[cormorant]

What year's spring?

[KVU-NSVD]

If the fleet has a desire, we are ready to provide a modernized design of this ship with improved habitability and seaworthiness.

Yes, of course they can, the main thing is that the customer immediately clearly determines what he wants to see in the final version ..

[Egorovich]

Well, I didn’t even have time to get into operation, and already modernization was on the nose. It is sinful to laugh at this, but the right thing is very funny and sad.

[Igor V]

No need to laugh, modernization is based on test results. They would laugh if the developers did not pay attention to what happened.
In general, everyone can be understood. Both the designers, who were constantly changing the task (let’s make the changes with little blood), and the builders who couldn’t even look at this unfinished building, and representatives of the selection committee who understand everything, but can’t do anything. Normal work in progress. Not all ships are immediately perfect.

[Alexey-74]

In short, it turned out to be a marine frankenstein ........ let's hope that the errors are taken into account and now the projects are there as they should ... it remains only to build ....

[Chichikov]

This ship has a really difficult fate, but we still bring it to mind.

Probably, at first it was necessary to bring your project "to mind", and then "get into your eyes" in the Moscow Region - we can, we will build, we will hand over! Over the past two decades, in the military-industrial complex, "hack workers" have appeared who consciously earn money on the endless modernization of their product ....

[vladimirasha]

And who and for what purpose hires these hack workers? Strategic departments that don’t check who they are hiring? Truly holy people with an eye in their own pocket. Orders are made through subcontracting organizations. In Soviet times, the KGB monitored this and now you can see democracy from the State Department watching the theft of the budget. Both in East and Novaya Zemlya and on Svalbard the same thing.

[Winnie76]

Quote: Chichikov

Probably, at first it was necessary to bring your project "to mind", and then "get into your eyes" in the Moscow Region - we can, we will build, we will hand over! Over the past two decades, in the military-industrial complex, "hackers" have appeared,

In this particular case, the MO is to blame. If they change the task during the construction process. The smiths themselves of their happiness.

[Chichikov]

Even under the USSR, I don’t remember that

Initially, the terms of reference were issued to the ship, which would go along inland waterways, rivers and canals.

they built a BDK with such a technical assignment - probably for the Marines of the Volga Flotilla, for landing on the Volga or the Don! Walking (passing) through inland waters and conducting landing operations on the coast, apparently for them, is one and the same. Who is to blame, daughter-in-law!

[vladimirasha]

The main thing that would not burn out after modernization. As in Primorye, one of the admiral's series.

[grandfather_Kostya]

It seems that for the Moscow Region, the shallowing of almost all navigable rivers in recent years has become a discovery. Hence the shyness of the project.

[HEATHER]

14 years and still only on trials. A third of the resource. As long as the tests pass, it will be time to write off. They are already trying to upgrade the essentially non-existent ship. If they build three years, which is doubtful, it would be good. But about 15 years to build a new version are provided . Pessemistic everything with the ship. "Modernization!" Oh-ho-ho ...

[ALEX_SHTURMAN]

I would like to ask who issued such TK to a large landing ship, which would only go along rivers and canals ?! Do we need seas anymore? Is this not a diversion?