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In Berlin, criticized the idea of ​​a gradual abolition of anti-Russian sanctions

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Representatives of some political parties in Germany criticized the proposal of the country's Foreign Minister Sigmar Gabriel to gradually lift the sanctions against the Russian Federation after entering the UN peacekeepers in Donbass, reports RIA News.




At the Munich Security Conference, Gabriel supported the idea of ​​Russian President Vladimir Putin to introduce "blue helmets" in the Donbass. He noted that with the appearance of peacekeepers in the conflict zone, a gradual lifting of anti-Russian sanctions could begin.

However, according to the representative of the Christian Democratic Union (CDU) and the head of the parliamentary foreign policy committee, Norbert Rättgen, the removal of restrictive measures will not lead to a change in the political course of Moscow.

Until the Russian side fulfills the Minsk agreements, the lifting of sanctions will be a completely wrong signal,
he said.

He was supported by Green spokeswoman Catherine Goring-Eckardt.

As long as Russia violates international law, we cannot talk about easing sanctions,
she said.

Recall that the EU imposed anti-Russian sanctions in 2014, against the backdrop of the crisis that began in Ukraine. Moscow responded and headed for import substitution. Recently, representatives of the EU countries have increasingly called for the lifting of restrictions, but European politicians are linking this issue with the implementation of the Minsk agreements. In turn, Moscow has repeatedly noted that it is not a party to these agreements, nor is it a party to the conflict in the Donbas.
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  1. ancestors from Don
    ancestors from Don 19 February 2018 09: 42
    +12
    The USSR, and Russia as the heiress, already carried out the “Minsk” operation in military textbooks, it is called “Bagration”, so that the opinion of Berlin with their green and gray-brown-crimson is somehow even.
    1. Imh
      Imh 19 February 2018 09: 45
      +5
      We heard about past feats, but is there anything new for 73 years?
      1. ancestors from Don
        ancestors from Don 19 February 2018 09: 47
        +12
        Quote: IMH
        We heard about past feats, but is there anything new for 73 years?

        The fact that we lived these 73 years after the Second World War is already an achievement!
        1. Imh
          Imh 19 February 2018 09: 49
          +1
          Partly agree.
          1. Squelcher
            Squelcher 19 February 2018 10: 48
            +8
            Yes, you put it, the Nazis slaughtered and poisoned the representatives of your tribe in concentration camps, even in the Sobibor camp, Soviet prisoners of war also raised this uprising, Soviet citizens had to fight for themselves and for your cowardly tribe. :(
            1. Anton Capucin
              Anton Capucin 19 February 2018 11: 40
              0
              Quote: Squelcher
              Yes, you put it, the Nazis slaughtered and poisoned the representatives of your tribe in concentration camps, even in the Sobibor camp, Soviet prisoners of war also raised this uprising, Soviet citizens had to fight for themselves and for your cowardly tribe. :(

              Stop it. It even sounds disgusting. Want to delve into the mud and order your exclusivity as opposed to someone else's exclusivity? Will something change from this? Everything was fought with the fascists; another thing is that later the geeks who were not shot for their deeds were put back into the European governments by the Americans. It’s wonderful. So we rested once again unique and inimitable. The idea of ​​separating peoples for capital is not new. Do not react so sharply to people who are blind and blinded, the time will come when they will all see for themselves. Germany’s voice is such a channel, there is a humorous show in the translation, but it’s not funny at all. Watch a video about the Nazis returning to the government.
              1. Squelcher
                Squelcher 19 February 2018 12: 43
                +1
                I do not delve into the mud, but try not to forget and whenever possible remind others of the "exceptional" and "God-chosen" historical lessons, who and how distinguished themselves in that war now.
                Europe definitely fought with the Nazis with all its might: These are only captured "wrestlers"
                Germans - 2,389560 million people
                Japanese - 639,635 thousand people
                Hungarians - 513,767 thousand people
                Romanians - 187,370 thousand people
                Austrians - 156,682 thousand people
                Czechoslovakia - 69,977 thousand people
                Poles - 60,280 thousand people
                Italians - 48,957 thousand people
                French - 23,136 thousand people
                Yugoslavs - 21,822 thousand people
                Moldavians - 14,129 thousand people
                Chinese - 12,928 thousand people
                Jews - 10,173 thousand people
                Koreans - 7,785 thousand people
                Dutch - 4,729 thousand people
                Mongols - 3,608 thousand people
                Finns - 2,377 thousand people
                Belgians - 2,010 thousand people
                Luxembourgers - 652 people
                Danes - Xnumx of Man
                Spaniards - 452 people (according to other sources 350 Spaniards were captured by the Soviet Union - 94 died, the rest returned to 1954)
                Gypsies - 383 person
                Norwegians - 101 person
                Swedes - Xnumx of Man
            2. Warrior with machine gun
              Warrior with machine gun 19 February 2018 11: 45
              +4
              there’s nothing to be surprised if the Westerners already have Wendspils turned into a children's camp
      2. LSA57
        LSA57 19 February 2018 09: 52
        +6
        Quote: IMH
        We heard about past feats, but is there anything new for 73 years?

        and who attacked us?
        1. Imh
          Imh 19 February 2018 09: 57
          +2
          And besides war, do you have feats?
          1. 210ox
            210ox 19 February 2018 09: 58
            +10
            And you? We then have a lot of them. And this is not shelling of civilians.
            Quote: IMH
            And besides war, do you have feats?
            1. Anarchist
              Anarchist 19 February 2018 10: 02
              +10
              Dmitry, you yourself answered your question:
              Quote: 210ox
              And you?

              Quote: 210ox
              shelling of civilians.

              Gaza attacks ...
            2. Imh
              Imh 19 February 2018 10: 17
              +2
              We have a lot. From the Middle East desert arr. In 1948, the Jews built a flourishing country. Is this not enough?
              1. 210ox
                210ox 19 February 2018 10: 22
                +10
                I agree about a flourishing country. It is true that without the heroic efforts of the USSR, this “country” would not even be in the project.
                Quote: IMH
                We have a lot. From the Middle East desert arr. In 1948, the Jews built a flourishing country. Is this not enough?
                1. Korax71
                  Korax71 19 February 2018 11: 42
                  +2
                  For reference, the Mayor for a two-week tour in the United States collected more donations in the form of donations than all deliveries with the permission of the USSR. At the time of the vote, Israel was already a state. This did not change anything. And the help of the USSR was, especially to Egypt and a number of Arab countries .n it is not necessary to ascribe to the USSR what he did not.
              2. LSA57
                LSA57 19 February 2018 10: 28
                +5
                Quote: IMH
                In 1948, the Jews built a flourishing country. Is this not enough?

                in the occupied Palestinian territories. feat however
                1. Imh
                  Imh 19 February 2018 10: 43
                  +2
                  Who has these territories occupied?
                  1. LSA57
                    LSA57 19 February 2018 10: 48
                    +4
                    Quote: IMH
                    Who has these territories occupied?

                    Whose Golan Heights? Palestine pldal them to you?
                    1. Korax71
                      Korax71 19 February 2018 11: 45
                      +1
                      The Golan Heights is a trophy. They won them. What territories were Russia conquered to recall? Or maybe we also need to return them? I am categorically against it right away. What was obtained in battle is inviolability and sacred.
                    2. Imh
                      Imh 19 February 2018 14: 28
                      +2
                      Oh, you are a wonderful person. And whose Kaliningrad? And the Crimea? Golan - dad Assad, stuffed with Soviet tanks, flooded on Israel, but lost a little, and lost the tanks and the Golan. More questions?
          2. LSA57
            LSA57 19 February 2018 10: 26
            +6
            Quote: IMH
            And besides war, do you have feats?

            one last name, Gagarin.
            1. Galaxy
              Galaxy 19 February 2018 12: 43
              +2

              I think that Gagarin is very ashamed of us!
      3. Per se.
        Per se. 19 February 2018 10: 04
        +8
        Quote: IMH
        But what's new for 73 of the year?
        If asking something new is to our bad guys, what they created after 1991 of the year, picking up capitalism. After the victory over Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union had both Gagarin and mattress cleaners in Vietnam, many of which were. The communists "from the plow" built a superpower, the bad guys from the superpower to the "Soche" are rolling, being dependent on their masters burzhuinov. Blow your cheeks, somehow justifying the presence of powerful potential in front of your people, this is one thing, really biting the "feeding hand" of the West, this is another. Why did they recognize the Bandera elections held by the junta, allowed it to legalize? Why, having recognized the choice of Crimea, did not recognize the choice of Donbass? As for the sanctions, their introduction should have been demanded against the United States, for organizing a coup d'état in the former Ukraine, and asking the EU’s vile "guarantors" that we don’t chew our gosdepovkie henchmen in the government.
        1. raw174
          raw174 19 February 2018 10: 59
          +3
          Quote: Per se.
          Communists "from the plow" built a superpower

          And where is she? What happened? But what happened was supposed to happen, the "superpower" collapsed as soon as oil prices fell, or rather they were specially dropped. As a result, a large external debt, food shortages, collapse ...
          Quote: Per se.
          bad guys from superpower to "sokha" roll

          Over the years, regular crises have less and less of an effect on our country ... Is this not a sign of a more flexible economy?
          1. Per se.
            Per se. 19 February 2018 12: 04
            +3
            Quote: raw174
            What happened should have happened, the “superpower” collapsed, as soon as oil prices fell, or rather, they were deliberately lowered.
            Well, okay, the price of oil killed the superpower, Hitler could not ... Such as Khrushchev and Gorbachev delivered the most terrible blows to the Soviet Union, flirting with the West. About your "Over the years, regular crises have less and less of an effect on our country ... Is this not a sign of a more flexible economy?“I don’t even want to say anything. Blessed is he who believes.
            1. raw174
              raw174 19 February 2018 12: 58
              +3
              Quote: Per se.
              Hitler could not.

              Went on the wrong side ... And yes, in the 30s there was no such dependence on raw materials exports, hydrocarbons only gained momentum
              Quote: Per se.
              Yes, okay, oil prices killed a superpower,

              YES. As soon as the prices fell, the external debt grew, you need to pay it (recently, by the way, the debts of the USSR were paid off), then the internal crisis fell off, the republics fell off and what we have happened ... The raw material economy is not a remake, but the legacy of the USSR. This is a consequence of integration into the global economy; we have nothing to enter the market with except minerals.
              Quote: Per se.
              Such as Khrushchev and Gorbachev inflicted the most terrible blows on the Soviet Union

              But they were not sent from the moon, they are the same people brought up in communist traditions, children of the era of communism.
              Quote: Per se.
              I don’t even want to say anything. Blessed is he who believes.

              We will trace:
              1. 80s The price of oil fell, Afghanistan, the country fell apart, the standard of living of the population flew down, essentially a revolution;
              2. the end of the 90s, the price of oil fell, the 2nd Chechen war, the Caucasus nearly fell off, the standard of living fell significantly (miners with helmets hit, strikes, etc.);
              3. the end of the 2000s, the price of oil fell, the Georgian-Ossetian conflict, the standard of living fell.
              4. the current crisis since 2014, the oil price has fallen, Crimea, Donbas, Syria, the standard of living has become lower, but not critical.
              1. Per se.
                Per se. 19 February 2018 13: 15
                +1
                I will say this, Ravil, this is the current government has two of the most faithful ally - oil and gas. Plus, they sell out Soviet developments, trade in what our fathers and grandfathers, who received an excellent education in the USSR, created, with many design bureaus, test sites, test benches, research institutes and pilot factories, everything that the current gentlemen have "optimized", reduced, saved. If we add to this the low quality and inaccessibility of education and health care for many categories of citizens, the prospects are not very bright. The old people are leaving, the scientific base has been created for long and difficult years, and you cannot buy it like tomatoes in Turkey or China. I don’t see the point of discussing with you further, especially if you are a fighter of the network front that works out your bread. Let's stay with you, thank you for your attention.
                1. raw174
                  raw174 19 February 2018 13: 50
                  +2
                  Quote: Per se.
                  these are the two most faithful allies of the current government - oil and gas.

                  This is a product and nothing more ...
                  Quote: Per se.
                  Plus, they sell out Soviet developments, trade in what our fathers and grandfathers created, who received an excellent education in the USSR

                  I do not argue, but the epoch-making achievements of the USSR were based on the education and achievements of tsarist Russia, this is an ongoing process, continuity ...
                  Quote: Per se.
                  Old people leave, the scientific base was created by long and difficult years

                  Old people are leaving, young people are coming, everything is taking its course ... Here we have a supercomputer installed at SUSU, they are inventing something, they are working ...
                  An indicator of the development of technology and scientific thought, in my opinion, is the defense industry. If something is created, invented and sold, then scientific thought is alive.
                  Quote: Per se.
                  You are a fighter of the network front that is working out his bread.

                  No, here I am rather an observer, expressing his thoughts. And I’m a civil front fighter, I work in the direction of protecting the population from natural, man-made and other threats, in general, boring work ...
                  Quote: Per se.
                  Stay with us

                  This usually happens. I do not share pessimistic views, even Barack Huseynovich tore up our economy to shreds, but it didn’t get much worse ... hi
      4. Dormidont
        Dormidont 19 February 2018 10: 04
        0
        Soon, for the third yoke is not eternal
      5. Okolotochny
        Okolotochny 19 February 2018 12: 37
        +4
        Military bases near you appeared. laughing
      6. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 19 February 2018 15: 05
        0
        The liberation of Crimea is a feat, the destruction of ISIS, too ...
      7. forester
        forester 19 February 2018 19: 00
        0
        Quote: IMH
        We heard about past feats, but is there anything new for 73 years?

        There is - for example, the formation of your state and its existence.
    2. Finches
      Finches 19 February 2018 09: 53
      +9
      I am more than sure that neither Norbert Röttgen nor Catherine Goring-Ekkardt have read the text of the Minsk Agreements and have an idea of ​​them only from social networks and tweets of Klimkin and Poroshenko .... therefore they simply express the thoughts of their curators from the State Department, not more! Tearing apart in the political establishment of Germany we are even at hand somewhere — while they find out there who is writing on the wall above, they don’t really go into business — which silently does its profitable job precisely in cooperation with Russia!
      1. NKT
        NKT 19 February 2018 10: 14
        +1
        And we ourselves are to blame for this, as they “understand” these agreements and not only them. We do not have a clear informational policy, propaganda, everyday explanations and comments. The late Churkin held a briefing almost daily for correspondents, answered questions, and gave comments. But one is not a warrior in the field, and with his departure no one was left at all. Our politicians can only speak at political shows. The Ministry of Defense sometimes gives witty comments, but this is understandable to us, but from the west they are incomprehensible, it needs to be simpler and more frequent.
        1. Finches
          Finches 19 February 2018 10: 18
          +7
          And we are not parties to the Minsk Agreements! Only the "Norman Four" ... However, even Ukraine, de jure, is not a party to the Minsk Agreements! laughing

          But who are you and what are you going to explain? Everyone understands everything there!
    3. siberalt
      siberalt 19 February 2018 10: 20
      +3
      Hundreds of years have been introduced to Russia, and are being introduced. Now sanctions, then troops. And all this ends with another redivision of Europe and the strengthening of Russia's power.
  2. Imh
    Imh 19 February 2018 09: 42
    +2
    I also criticize the gradual lifting of sanctions. You need to remove everything in one day.
    1. ancestors from Don
      ancestors from Don 19 February 2018 09: 44
      +6
      Doomsday will lift all sanctions at once, but is it worth it to bring to this? How much came there like two minutes left, stop!
      1. Imh
        Imh 19 February 2018 09: 51
        +1



        We heard that.
    2. Inquisitive
      Inquisitive 19 February 2018 09: 44
      +2
      Quote: IMH
      I also criticize the gradual lifting of sanctions. You need to remove everything in one day.

      With two hands FOR
  3. Angel_and_Demon
    Angel_and_Demon 19 February 2018 09: 42
    +9
    Until the Russian side fulfills the Minsk agreements, the lifting of sanctions will be a completely wrong signal,
    but where did he find about Russia in the Minsk agreements? Does he even know how to read?
    1. novel66
      novel66 19 February 2018 09: 48
      +4
      what for? text is instilled through an iPhone in a dream
      1. cniza
        cniza 19 February 2018 09: 52
        +4
        This is their mantra for the coming years. hi
        1. novel66
          novel66 19 February 2018 09: 59
          +2
          hi "children sang in chorus"
      2. Angel_and_Demon
        Angel_and_Demon 19 February 2018 10: 09
        +6
        Quote: novel xnumx
        and why?

        well, actually, to at least know what it says
        1. novel66
          novel66 19 February 2018 10: 11
          +2
          what for? required to say required!
          1. Angel_and_Demon
            Angel_and_Demon 19 February 2018 10: 17
            +5
            Quote: novel xnumx
            required to say required!

            Well then let them demand
    2. LSA57
      LSA57 19 February 2018 09: 54
      +3
      Quote: Angel_and_Demon
      and here where he found about Russia in the Minsk agreements

      it is written in the phishington manuals, here they are like parrots and repeat
      1. Angel_and_Demon
        Angel_and_Demon 19 February 2018 10: 10
        +5
        Quote: LSA57
        it is written in the phishington manuals,

        so it means they can still read belay
        1. LSA57
          LSA57 19 February 2018 10: 30
          +1
          Quote: Angel_and_Demon
          so it means they can still read

          in that they poke their nose, then read
          1. Angel_and_Demon
            Angel_and_Demon 19 February 2018 10: 39
            +5
            Quote: LSA57
            in that they poke their nose, then read

            probably look the same
            1. LSA57
              LSA57 19 February 2018 10: 50
              +1
              Quote: Angel_and_Demon
              probably look the same

              as they said in our school, looking at a book, seeing a fig. Sorry, didn't say hello. Hi hi
    3. askort154
      askort154 19 February 2018 10: 02
      +2
      Angel_and_Demon .....a here where he found about Russia in the Minsk agreements? Does he even know how to read?

      Our hackers need to work. Download files with a list of obligations of the parties to the Minsk agreement on the points to all the gadgets of Western politicians. Like, face them on the "gadget table". negative
      And then one, who did not read the documents, crowed from a large rostrum - all Russophobes picked up the choir.
  4. prior
    prior 19 February 2018 10: 00
    +4
    If you again talked about international law, then you need to take the GDR back, place the tank divisions and Iskanders there. After that, it will be possible to discuss what is in accordance with international law and what is not, what borders correspond to the Helsinki agreements and which countries have the right to be ...
  5. Dormidont
    Dormidont 19 February 2018 10: 03
    +5
    There are no separate negotiations with the Fourth Reich. Only complete and unconditional surrender
  6. Prisoner
    Prisoner 19 February 2018 10: 09
    0
    Well, these parties, with their herrs and frau, are firmly in the lure of the transatlantic regional committee and under the hood of their special services. So do not be surprised.
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 19 February 2018 10: 12
    +2
    Until the Russian side fulfills the Minsk agreements
    The Germans from the CDU are not far from the Ukrainians. And who was the guarantor of the Minsk agreements if not Germany and France? And what has Germany done over the years for Ukraine to fulfill at least one of the clauses of the agreement? They would be silent modestly in a rag.
  8. demo
    demo 19 February 2018 10: 31
    +2
    The farther into the forest, the more firewood.

    Definitely we are dealing with completely sane people.
    It’s not even possible to think of a way out of this situation.
    You tell them about Ivan, and they tell you about boob.
    Probably should act like Poles.
    Introduce criminal prosecution for reminding about the non-fulfillment of the terms of the Minsk agreement by the Russian Federation.
    It is necessary to discourage the desire to remember and demand from us that which we were not obliged to fulfill.
    And it may be necessary to make a joint statement of our Defense Ministry and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
    Something like that.
    "The Russian Federation, relying on the constant requirements of Western countries, represented by their parliamentarians and heads of departments, to fulfill the conditions of the Minsk agreement, assumes the obligation to fulfill them in full.
    We ask for your consent to the complete dismantling of the existing authorities in Ukraine, which impedes the implementation of the Minsk agreements, with the disposal of biological material, which is a favorable environment for the formation of active opposition to the Minsk agreements. "

    Let everyone agree and we will fulfill.
  9. taiga2018
    taiga2018 19 February 2018 11: 00
    0
    They started talking with Iran after the real prospect of the appearance of nuclear weapons in this country loomed, maybe it’s time for us to get a couple of nuclear trump cards in the deck, for example, to get out of the moratorium on nuclear tests, and then out of the agreement on the non-proliferation of nuclear weapons .. .
  10. ioan-e
    ioan-e 19 February 2018 11: 39
    +1
    Quote: IMH
    We have a lot. From the Middle East desert arr. In 1948, the Jews built a flourishing country. Is this not enough?

    How long?
  11. krokus792
    krokus792 19 February 2018 17: 32
    0
    Well then, until Ukraine is kicked out of the Donbass, we will not lift the embargo on EU countries.