India is developing its own rocket to equip the Su-30MKI

The Indian defense companies have been tasked with creating a fully Nirbhay-A cruise missile of their own to be placed on Su-30MKI fighters.

As part of an ambitious program, the task was to create an air-to-surface missile for 2020, the start of testing is scheduled for 2021, Livefist reports.

Nirbhay-A should be smaller and lighter than BrahMos-A, with a better engine made in India. The compatibility of these missiles with Su-30MKI pylons, developed under the Bramos-A, is being studied.

The rocket, which is designed in three versions, has a subsonic speed and range of about 1000 km. It is reported that the last parameter is planned to increase to 1500 km.

The Indian Air Force admits that the joint work with BrahMos with Russia has helped create the rocket, although the experience of interaction with the Russians there has been called "exhausting and sometimes disappointing."

November 7 2017, India, after a series of setbacks, first successfully tested Nirbhay. Then the rocket for 50 minutes flew 647 km at a speed of Mach 0,7 at an altitude of 100 m.

As the newspaper VIEW reported, as a result of the success of the missile program, India will be able to meet the potential forces of the ship's aggressors at a distance of more than a thousand kilometers from the Indian coast.

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[ancestors from Don]

Hindus are somewhat reminiscent of the Chinese, once having bought a thing and looking at it, they will certainly begin to copy it.

[Vadim237]

Waiting for "HyperBramos"

[poquello]

Quote: Vadim237

Waiting for "HyperBramos"

ambitiously, swinging at the PCR, flew 600km - didn’t understand what hit the target?

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: Vadim237

Waiting for "HyperBramos"

Yeah, on the basis of Russian technology and with the Indian quality of production, I am more likely to expect further claims against Russia. And if they themselves "blind", then we get the "Bramos-Arjun", which only cling to the Death Star.

[newcomer]

Pash, this is called Indian gratitude_ spit in the well from which they drink.

[Alex DHG]

For them, this is normal, and even literally.

[bouncyhunter]

Good is quickly forgotten. And maybe really: as Alex DHG writes:

Quote: Alex DHG

For them, this is normal, and even literally.

[newcomer]

so yok macaroons! Pash, there is no hope. we have to tolerate it, bye. (I can’t even believe that I write this, but, la la vie).

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: newbie

we have to tolerate while.

I really hope that I correctly selected the keyword.

[newcomer]

Yes, that's for sure.

[vlad66]

although the very experience of interacting with the Russians there is called "exhausting and sometimes disappointing."

Yeah, many people in the world call the experience of interacting with the Indians "exhausting and far from sometimes disappointing."

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Ancestors from the Don

Hindus are somewhat reminiscent of the Chinese, once having bought a thing and looking at it, they will certainly begin to copy it.

Nirbhay-A has very little to do with BrahMos-A. This is a clear clone of Caliber or its varieties.
Amused in the article "Nirbhay-A should be smaller and lighter than BrahMos-A, with a more advanced Indian-made engine." These missiles have fundamentally different types of engines for completely different operating modes.

[Mih1974]

Oh wow, sho - is an independent Indian rocket? They are not restless, they have already been convicted of brahmos, no, they all want to add their "dances" to normal weapons .. Well, as they say - who is the doctor after that?

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Captain Pushkin

Nirbhay-A has very little to do with BrahMos-A. This is a clear clone of Caliber or its varieties

in fact, India also bought Caliber. First, in the anti-ship version, and then the Indians wanted a tactical option. Indian Defense Minister Nirmala Sitaraman in September 2017 during a meeting of the Defense Council (DAC) approved the purchase of Caliber cruise missiles
Even then, opinions were expressed that the Indians would be able to increase the flight range of the Caliber themselves (the export version has a range limit of 300 km), passing off the missile as its own.
In the photo: loading Club-S complex missiles into the torpedo tubes of the Indian submarine Sindhuvijay, 2007

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: Ancestors from the Don

Hindus are somewhat reminiscent of the Chinese, once having bought a thing and looking at it, they will certainly begin to copy it.

They are far from China in this regard! Most often they are bred into grandmas and they are led to this, although the country is essentially a beggar

[Dreamboat]

Hindus, hoping for US help in the war with China, are ready to spit on everything Russian, although the only thing they have now is decent from weapons in Russia and bought. China can even copy, these are not.
Let’s see how by 2021 they at least create something. I think that by 2021, China (and Russia) at the same stage will have hypersonic missiles and fighters of the 5th generation in service. And the Indians refused to jointly create a 5th generation fighter!

[Lenivets2]

You're wrong.
In terms of copying, the Indians are far behind the Chinese.
Very much.
So much so that figs they can even copy a nail a hundred.
Until now, they have not been able to copy anything in aviation or in air defense, in anything ...!

[RASKAT]

It really hurts to look like our 3m14 / 3m54, it’s just amazingly similar. Especially in the photo, a rocket with a launch accelerator, and they are not used in aviation. I would say that it is a sea or land based or mobile based missile.

[Piramidon]

Reminds us of our collaboration with the Italians over the Yak-130

Quote: Ancestors from the Don

Hindus are somewhat reminiscent of the Chinese, once having bought a thing and looking at it, they will certainly begin to copy it.

[Azazelo]

Weakly. Brains are too much in a warm climate ... How many brilliant scientists in the world are from Africa or from India? I don’t remember much.

[BABA SHURA]

"White Gods" carry knowledge, they also brought knowledge to China

[Afotin]

It is doubtful that something worthwhile will come out of this epic. A suitable solid propellant rocket engine is a much more complicated thing than it might seem at first glance.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Afotin

It is doubtful that something worthwhile will come out of this epic. A suitable solid propellant rocket engine is a much more complicated thing than it might seem at first glance.

In this rocket, as in Caliber and Tomahawk, the usual WFD installed in the tail compartment. In fact, this is a kind of drone with an autonomous control system.

[Afotin]

Then, still “more fun." For the amount of knowledge, in order to improve the existing sample without significantly raising the cost, did not go far from the necessary when developing a new one.

[Simon]

Yes, cunning Indians, got our technology, now they are already building up their missiles!

[Wolka]

Yes let’s try, but we will watch

[Egorovich]

One can hardly believe that the Indians themselves would develop something worthwhile and do without someone else's help. Old giving. With their own Indian planes, tanks, all this is clearly visible. Do not pull.

[Star]

They would be complete fools if, in their geopolitical situation, in the presence of money and our help, they would not try to do development on their own.

[Ascetic]

Quote: Asterisk

They would be complete fools if, in their geopolitical situation, in the presence of money and our help, they would not try to do development on their own.

This rocket will serve as a response to Pakistani Babur, which is being developed with the help of the Chinese. So far, the Indians are not very successful out of five flight tests, three unsuccessful. Work on the rocket has been going on for 10 years

[Mwg]

Something she’s too big in appearance, they wouldn’t drop the Su-30MKI on takeoff))))

[Falcond]

And why not ... Indians simply act pragmatically ... sometimes even the best Partners can turn into "partners" ... As regards plagiarism, the question is also ambiguous ... There is an opinion that the T-50 was developed in these terms, because India was interested in this!

[anjey]

India is a completely self-sufficient economic state that protects its markets both from China and from Europe and Asia, which stimulates the growth of domestic production ....

[voyaka uh]

You can understand them. Bramos has some exorbitant weight - 3 tons.
What is his armored case? And a 300 kg warhead. 1/10 of the total weight.
Now with modern missiles, the weight of the warhead is approaching half the total weight of the rocket.
(Tomahawk, for example, 1300 kg, warhead 450 kg)

[newcomer]

and what, it was necessary to attract the Indians to the "Caliber"? Yes, and maybe the production can be deployed there?

[ZVO]

Quote: newbie

and what, it was necessary to attract the Indians to the "Caliber"? Yes, and maybe the production can be deployed there?

And who bought the first Caliber. and even 10 years before they were adopted by Russia ???

[newcomer]

but from this place please in more detail. actually, the ancestors of the "Caliber" can be considered several developments of the USSR, but the purchase thereof, but ten years before adoption?

[ZVO]

Quote: newbie

but from this place please in more detail. actually, the ancestors of the "Caliber" can be considered several developments of the USSR, but the purchase thereof, but ten years before adoption?

See contracts with India ... Dates, etc. And look at the dates of adoption with us.
Want to really find reality - find ...
Do not want to - I will not chew.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: newbie

but from this place please

You about the export "Caliber" complex "Club". Hindus still buy them. By the way, the “Caliber” has an aviation version, and the missile itself, by not very tricky manipulations, greatly adds to the range (just compare the Russian “Caliber” and the export “Club” - 1600 and 300 km, respectively)

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Gregory_45

You about the export "Caliber" complex "Club". Hindus still buy them. By the way, the "Caliber" has an aviation version, and the missile itself, through not very tricky manipulations, greatly adds to the range

There, the range is directly proportional to the amount of kerosene poured.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: voyaka uh

voyaka uh Today, 20: 30
You can understand them. Bramos has some exorbitant weight - 3 tons.
What is his armored case?

Bramos has a speed of two and a half sounds, and therefore the ratio of the payload to the starting mass is different than that of subsonic missiles.

[voyaka uh]

Is the booster really so heavy? I admit the incorrectness of my comparison.
But the Su-30 drag a 3-ton rocket ....

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: voyaka uh

0
voyaka uh Yesterday, 22:24 ↑
Is the booster really so heavy? I admit the incorrectness of my comparison.

What is a "booster" on Bramos?

[voyaka uh]

First stage. Is not it?
First stage: solid fuel rocket booster - from Wiki

[user1212]

Quote: voyaka uh

You can understand them. Bramos has some exorbitant weight - 3 tons.

Quote: voyaka uh

Now with modern missiles, the weight of the warhead is approaching half the total weight of the rocket.
(Tomahawk, for example, 1300 kg, warhead 450 kg)

Supersonic and subsonic rocket. Indeed, why is the CP heavier. Ax and flies on
Be sure to tell the Israeli Defense Ministry that their entire missile defense system is obsolete trash because the ratio of the weight of warheads and missiles does not meet modern trends. Encourage urgent transition to subsonic missile defense. Iran will hand you a medal

[Grigory_45]

Quote: voyaka uh

Bramos has some exorbitant weight - 3 tons.

no need to compare a subsonic rocket with a supersonic one. The first, of course, is much more economical, and the engine requires a severely less powerful. There you have it. In addition, the GOS is installed on the RCC, which also has a place and mass, more than the TERCOM of the “ax”

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Gregory_45

Quote: voyaka uh

Bramos has some exorbitant weight - 3 tons.

no need to compare a subsonic rocket with a supersonic one. The first, of course, is much more economical, and the engine requires a severely less powerful. There you have it. In addition, the GOS is installed on the RCC, which also has a place and mass, more than the TERCOM of the “ax”

In addition, kilometer fuel consumption at supersonic and subsonic levels differs significantly. And this is at times different masses of fuel.

[ZVO]

Quote: Gregory_45

In addition, the GOS is installed on the RCC, which also has a place and mass, more than the TERCOM of the “ax”

On the anti-ship Tomahawk was not at all Terkom.
And sorry warhead was also under 450 kg.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: ZVO

On the anti-ship Tomahawk was not at all Terkom.
And sorry warhead was also under 450 kg.

You "modestly forgot" to say that the missile range fell to 450 km, i.e. more than 2,5 times relative to the basic version of SLCM with TERCOM
Here is an example of another version (Tomskawk MRASM), which was not accepted for service (like RCC), with an IR-GOS, which should not fly more than 600 km with a more economical engine. Due to what, interesting?
And also it is worth looking at the versions of the Kyrgyz Republic with the nuclear warhead and conventional warhead. The first have a longer range, due to the fact that the JBF is easier and more kerosene is poured into the rocket
Miracles do not happen, somewhere arrived, somewhere gone)

[ZVO]

Quote: Gregory_45

The first have a longer range, due to the fact that the JBF is easier and more kerosene is poured into the rocket
Miracles do not happen, somewhere arrived, somewhere gone)

The difference in fuel is 180 kilograms.
Do you think that the flight range of 450 km with 360 kg of fuel in the anti-ship version and 2500 km with 550 kg in the nuclear or tactical one, in your opinion, has evenly and equally decreased and arrived?
Alas - but the fuel difference figures do not give such an increase in range differences.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: ZVO

Fuel difference

I don’t know what the difference in fuel will be and how much the special warhead weighs. There is only evidence that the same missile, which flies 1600 km from a conventional warhead, and 2500 km from a nuclear warhead. Similarly, I don't know what the difference is between TERCOM and GOS. We can say that the latter do not weigh less than 50 kg. But it is known that a missile with GOS suddenly loses much in range. The conclusions are obvious and logical. Somewhere you have a mistake in the calculations, nothing more.

Also, we know that the supersonic and subsonic consumption is different at times. This is such a significant difference in the weight of subsonic and supersonic anti-ship missiles with comparable range and mass. The lion's share of the mass of the rocket is spent on fuel (not counting the stronger structure of the rocket itself).

[ZVO]

Quote: Gregory_45

But it is known that a missile with GOS suddenly loses much in range. The conclusions are obvious and logical. Somewhere you have a mistake in the calculations, nothing more.

A missile with an seeker (in the form of an anti-ship missile) simply does not need a long flight range. Especially subsonic.
Just because. that during its flight of 250-300-350 kilometers, the probability of the target going beyond the viewing angle of the GOS and, accordingly, guaranteed target capture - becomes indecently high.
And the rocket flies into milk.
That's it.

Now, after the two-way satellite communications systems began to be put on the missiles for re-targeting, correction, etc. After they introduced new search algorithms. barrage, snakes, slides, etc. etc. - the range will increase, there are already such examples

[Grigory_45]

Quote: ZVO

in the form of an anti-ship missile) just does not need a long range

I know that very well.
I did not hear a clear answer why, in your opinion, the flight range of the same missile with nuclear warhead and conventional warhead is different. Probably because at the expense of something, she fights more fuel. Due to warhead. Because the range of the rocket is directly proportional to the amount of fuel.
The mass of conventional warhead 450 kg, the mass of nuclear warheads is not more than 100-150 kg. Fuel the ax takes about 460 kg. The increment to them is still about 300 kg and gives an increase in range.
Therefore, I recommend you not to engage in speculation and not seek out "sensational" accusatory evidence of miraculous range increments

[ZVO]

Quote: Gregory_45

The mass of conventional warhead 450 kg, the mass of nuclear warheads is not more than 100-150 kg. Fuel the ax takes about 460 kg. The increment to them is still about 300 kg and gives an increase in range.
Therefore, I recommend you not to engage in speculation and not seek out "sensational" accusatory evidence of miraculous range increments

those. in your opinion 460 kg = 300 km
and 760 = 2500 km.
Proportions?
no, I have not heard ..
Where does such fuel efficiency come from?

Here are some speculations ... But alas, not mine.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: ZVO

those. in your opinion 460 kg = 300 km

it’s not in my opinion, but in your opinion. I do not need to ascribe my speculations and inventions. 460 kg is the SLCM with a range of 1600 km. For a rocket to fly 2500 km, it will require approximately 730 kg of fuel. Which is very well consistent with the figures I have given.

Quote: ZVO

Here are the speculations ...

indeed, on your part they have a place to be) And also a crooked operation with numbers. Bother, open the data on the modifications of the "ax" and count. Sometimes it’s easier to take and see than publicly disgrace, saying nonsense. I'm taking my leave for sim

[ZVO]

Quote: Gregory_45

Sometimes it’s easier to take and see than publicly disgrace, saying nonsense. I'm taking my leave for sim

360 for the anti-ship option.
360 kg ...
Count on yourself, he bows back ...

[Herculesic]

The Indians were clearly dizzy with success - they made one rocket with the very highest performance, and they already believe that long-range missiles are a mere trifle for them.

[Mentat]

Nirbhay-A should be smaller and lighter than BrahMos-A, with a more advanced Indian-made engine.

Um, really? .. Somehow it looks too much like bragging.

[Mentat]

Quote: voyaka uh

You can understand them. Bramos has some exorbitant weight - 3 tons.
What is his armored case? And a 300 kg warhead. 1/10 of the total weight.
Now with modern missiles, the weight of the warhead is approaching half the total weight of the rocket.
(Tomahawk, for example, 1300 kg, warhead 450 kg)

Plus to what you have already written, Tomahawk is not capable of maneuvers with significant overloads.

[Grigory_45]

India is developing its own rocket to equip the Su-30MKI

Nirbhay-A should be smaller and lighter than BrahMos-A, with a more advanced Indian-made engine ... The rocket, which is designed in three versions, has a subsonic speed and range of about 1000 km. It is reported that the last parameter is planned to be increased to 1500 km.

Yes, the flag is in their hands and the music is louder) We will observe the next project from the series "Tejas" and "Arjun". They cheated on cheeks no worse than hamsters, only at the exit - zilch) And they run to buy foreign - everything, from the rifle and PUTR to helicopters, planes and tanks

[Grigory_45]

ZVO,
extremely difficult case) Stop consuming already high-degree drinks in indecent amounts, Monday the same)

[Grigory_45]

ZVO,
ax specifications