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The Pentagon has decided to rearm the latest invisible destroyers

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As the Defense News weekly reported on Thursday, the Pentagon decided to rearm its newest “invisible” destroyers of the Zumwalt class (aka the project DDG-1000) and change their purpose. The publication notes that the 2019 fiscal year, which will start on October 1 of the current calendar year, the Defense Ministry has requested from the US Congress $ 89,7 million to re-equip other rocket systems of two such ships that are currently available.


After a comprehensive analysis of the requirements for Zumwalt class ships, the Navy leadership decided to reorient the main destinations of these destroyers - from attacking ground targets to fighting surface ships.
- cites the publication of an excerpt from the Pentagon’s draft budget sent to members of the February 12 Congress.

The Pentagon has decided to rearm the latest invisible destroyers


For these purposes, it is supposed to equip the destroyers with SM-6 anti-aircraft missiles with an active homing system. Their range is over 370 km. They can also be used to destroy surface and ground targets. In August last year, during tests conducted by the Navy, with the help of the SM-6, a medium-range ballistic missile was shot down.

For the Navy, it is planned to purchase 125 of such missiles manufactured by Raytheon Corporation over the next five years.

In total, the Navy should receive three destroyers of the project DDG-1000, and all of them will be based on the Pacific Ocean.

Initially, the ships of the project DDG-1000 were intended to provide fire support in amphibious operations and combat operations on coastal directions, launching missile and artillery strikes against ground targets, including in the depth of the enemy’s territory. In addition, their task will be to provide zonal air defense and anti-missile defense of aircraft carrier multipurpose groups.

The lead destroyer, who was given the name Zumwalt, was laid out in the 2010 year, launched in October 2013 of the year and entered into the Navy in October 2016 of the year. But so far in the port of registry - San Diego (California), the additional equipment and the vehicle's additional equipment continues.
The second - Michael Monsoor is passing the sea trials. The third - Lyndon B. Johnson was founded in January last year, reports TASS
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  1. Serg65
    Serg65 16 February 2018 13: 16
    +6
    bully And in a year they will ask for another denyuzhka to re-equip this destroyer into a shock air defense missile defense good
    1. Herculesic
      Herculesic 16 February 2018 13: 26
      +1
      Make one such a torpedo ship! Torpedo tubes and submarines, and conventional, put. Enough for the launch of torpedoes for the eyes! And when he makes a salvo from all the vehicles, the crew will die, laughing! lol
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 16 February 2018 13: 44
        +1
        Quote: Herkulesich
        Make one such a torpedo ship!

        IJN standing ovation!
      2. andrewkor
        andrewkor 16 February 2018 20: 25
        0
        The change of orientation is so tolerant, well, right in the spirit of the times (in the West)!
    2. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 16 February 2018 13: 35
      +3
      Seryoga, hello! hi
      the Department of Defense requested $ 89,7 million from the U.S. Congress to re-equip two such ships that are currently available with other missile systems

      Renamed from Zumwalt to Disaster and all problems would be resolved by drowning. So no: don’t cut the hotz money! lol
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 16 February 2018 14: 38
        +2
        Quote: bouncyhunter
        Renamed from Zumwalt to Disaster and all problems would be resolved by drowning.

        Better at William D. Porter. smile
        Do not shoot - we are Republicans! ©
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 16 February 2018 19: 27
          +1
          The name does not matter - the essence is important. You understood her correctly! good drinks
      2. Serg65
        Serg65 16 February 2018 16: 43
        +4
        Great Pasha! hi
        Quote: bouncyhunter
        money to cut hotz!

        laughing So you have to somehow rehabilitate yourself in the eyes of the public!
    3. vlad66
      vlad66 16 February 2018 13: 37
      +6
      After a comprehensive analysis of the requirements for Zumwalt class ships, the Navy leadership decided to reorient the main destinations of these destroyers - from attacking ground targets to fighting surface ships.

      Why trifle, let’s immediately switch to the fight against aliens. yes
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      1. dvina71
        dvina71 16 February 2018 13: 43
        +1
        Quote: igorka357
        capable of fucking drown all our surface fleets

        Than? Subsonic PCR? Seriously? They have all the emphasis on the ACG, where several ships of the retinue support one strike ship.
        1. Grigory_45
          Grigory_45 16 February 2018 14: 14
          0
          Quote: dvina71
          Than? Subsonic PCR?

          Based on RIM-174 ERAM Standard-6 missiles, a supersonic anti-ship missile system is being created. Such a serious missile, not inferior to the Russian "Caliber" or "Onyx". And they are preparing to remove the Harpoons from weapons. They were not put on the last Burks
          Quote: dvina71
          where one strike ship is supported by several retinue ships

          this "retinue" itself may well snap back.
          1. dvina71
            dvina71 16 February 2018 14: 19
            +1
            Quote: Gregory_45
            this "retinue" itself may well snap back.

            This retinue missed Yarik .., in the Mediterranean .. Finding him only in direct visibility and with anger, Burke rushed to cut him ... from powerlessness .. He failed his mission .. Yarik incidentally carries the same anti-ship missiles and in the same amount .. but he is not esm.
            Quote: Gregory_45
            Based on RIM-174 ERAM Standard-6 missiles, a supersonic anti-ship missile system is created

            This is what S-300 missiles can do a long time ago ...
            1. Grigory_45
              Grigory_45 16 February 2018 14: 43
              +1
              Quote: dvina71
              Yarik ksta carries the same in the class of anti-ship missiles and in the same amount .., but he is not esm.

              do not write nonsense. Generally incomparable
              Quote: dvina71
              This is what S-300 missiles can do a long time ago.

              and what do they know a long time ago? To be RCC?
          2. NEXUS
            NEXUS 16 February 2018 14: 35
            +7
            Quote: Gregory_45
            Based on RIM-174 ERAM Standard-6 missiles, a supersonic anti-ship missile system is being created. Such a serious rocket, not inferior to the Russian "Caliber" or "Onyx"

            Yeah ... until they create it, Zircon will be put into service with us. At the same time, the same Onyx Caliber are also being improved.
            Quote: Gregory_45
            this "retinue" itself may well snap back.

            Well, yes ... only the range of our anti-ship missiles will be more than that of mattresses. At the same time, so far, our KUG are not going to fight in the ocean with mattress AUG.
            And by and large, we are not building new surface ships of the first rank. Nakhimov will be upgraded for a long time to come. Seriously, it will be possible to talk about something at all when the Leaders go into the series, and this is in the best case after 10 years.
            1. Grigory_45
              Grigory_45 16 February 2018 14: 46
              +1
              Quote: NEXUS
              Yeah ... while they create it, we will have Zircon in service

              here the grandmother said in two. They have touched on RCC, they did it back in the 60s and 70s, but decided to accept Harpoon. And everyone heard about the Zircon, but no one saw it. Amazing stealth rocket)
              Quote: NEXUS
              only the range of our anti-ship missiles will be more than that of mattresses

              look at LRASM and cry. And if you add another radius of the aircraft to it ...
              1. Sanichsan
                Sanichsan 16 February 2018 15: 09
                +1
                Quote: Gregory_45
                And everyone heard about the Zircon, but no one saw it. Amazing stealth rocket)

                um ... and what should be a secret development, in your opinion? probably with the specifications and drawings laid out in the tyrnet? wassat
                1. Grigory_45
                  Grigory_45 16 February 2018 18: 59
                  +1
                  Show at least a picture or a bad photo
              2. NEXUS
                NEXUS 16 February 2018 15: 14
                +7
                Quote: Gregory_45
                here the grandmother said in two. They have touched on RCC, they still did it in the 60s - 70s, but decided to make "Harpoon"

                And apparently nothing was done at all with us ... wassat
                Quote: Gregory_45
                look at LRASM and cry

                Of particular interest is the missile control system. Due to the significant range and subsonic flight speed, the project is subject to the same problems as its predecessor TASM and generally all similar ones - during the flight of the rocket, the target can move away from the intended area of ​​location at a considerable distance. Therefore, the LRASM control system should allow the rocket to carry out various target search schemes (movement with a “snake”, a spiral, etc.), and its on-board equipment should identify detected objects in a difficult jamming environment. It is assumed that a rocket launched into the search area will be able to stay in the air for a long time, identifying detected objects until it detects a ship similar in characteristics to a given target, and then attacks it.

                The second ... the tests were carried out with bombers and the declared range may be 930 km ...
                And with the UVP MK-41, it will be much smaller.
                September 17, 2013 at the White Sands training ground, a test launch of a prototype rocket equipped with an engine was performed. According to the manufacturer, the rocket with the help of a solid-fuel accelerator successfully launched from the Mk 41 UVP and completed a test flight program, confirming the possibility of firing from a standard ship’s launcher without compromising the characteristics of the missile's stealth radar. Flight details are not specified.

                In other words, this anti-ship missile is being made for strategic bombers and ships. That is, in fact, this is an analogue of our X-101. Well or X-32, if we take into account the media.
                And now here is the information for crying ...
                Soon, the arsenal of Russian supersonic Tu-22M3 bombers will replenish with unique long-range cruise missiles. New products that are in a high degree of technical readiness are already waiting for testing. Missiles with a military index 9A5150 received the name "product 715". They will be able to hit with high accuracy targets within a radius of several thousand kilometers. In the meantime, the “main caliber” of the “twenty second” is the supersonic cruise missiles of the X-22/32 family. But their range does not exceed 1 thousand km.

                I think this is a new X-50 missile ... although I could be wrong ...
                And there is still such a development ..
                Another Russian development, designed to operate in conditions of strong enemy air defense, is a new operational tactical hypersonic missile, developed jointly by the parent company Tactical Missile Corporation Corporation in Korolev and GosMKB Raduga in Dubna as part of the Hypersonic program guided missile ”(GZUR). The military designation of this rocket to this day remains unsolved.

                According to reports, GZUR is a missile with a speed of M = 6 and a flight range of 1500 km when flying along a high-altitude profile. The length of the rocket is 6 m, and the weight is about 1500 kg. As you can understand, the missile has mainly anti-ship assignment. The missile will be equipped with the Product 70 ramjet engine developed by PJSC Soyuz TMKB in Turaevo and will be equipped with a combined active-passive homing radar known as Gran-75, which is being developed by Ural Design Bureau "Detail" in Kamensk-Uralsky; the broadband passive channel (Gran-75PK) for this homing head is being created by the Central Design Bureau of Automation JSC (TsKBA) in Omsk. “Fringe-75” refers to the modification of the homing head “Fragment-K” used in the tactical anti-ship missile X-35U.

                According to sources in Russian industry, by 2020 it is assumed that the GZUR rocket will be mass-produced at a rate of “up to 50 products per year,” which suggests that it is currently being tested.

                And this hyper-speed RCC is apparently not Zircon. But something else ...
                1. Korax71
                  Korax71 16 February 2018 15: 42
                  +1
                  It’s time to give our prize. With the dimensions of the ax, their rocket will fly at the same range, only 6 times faster. Beauty !!! In Russia, even the laws of physics act differently.
                2. Grigory_45
                  Grigory_45 16 February 2018 19: 07
                  0
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  And apparently nothing was done at all

                  You have an amazing talent for moving out of topic. I advise you to re-read comments sometimes. what your words were the answer. And you will be happy)
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  I think this is a new X-50 missile ... although I could be wrong ..

                  Naturally, you are mistaken. X-50 is an easy version of the X-101 with a guidance system from the X-59. Also a purely aviation rocket
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  And there is still such a development ..

                  Quote: NEXUS
                  GZUR is reportedly a missile with a speed of M = 6 and a flight range of 1500 km

                  which is nothing more than a project. Talk about blasters then? It is very appropriate in the light of the fact that you managed to say nothing in essence, but to pull out almost all the known and very far-promising (in terms of time of putting on the database) projects.
                  All you talked about is aircraft missiles. Now we look at how it all began (namely, from shipboard anti-ship missiles) and we understand that all your words (albeit written a lot, but alright - at least enlightened) are not at the cash register.
                  We learn materiel and fantasize less.
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 16 February 2018 19: 15
                    +6
                    Quote: Gregory_45
                    All you talked about is aircraft missiles. Now we look at how it all began (namely, from shipboard anti-ship missiles) and we understand that all your words (albeit written a lot, but alright - at least enlightened) are not at the cash register.

                    Uchi is as fast as childhood diarrhea ... and your LRASM from which carriers was tested, and I apologize, but where are the trials successful from the ship?
                    And now, so that you learn the match read ..
                    In January 2012, it was decided that the technological risks involved in developing a supersonic anti-ship missile were unnecessarily high and work on the LRASM-B was discontinued.

                    So why are there ship-based anti-ship missiles, dear?
                    It is for those who are in the tank that I gave examples of our air-based anti-ship missiles.
                    1. Grigory_45
                      Grigory_45 16 February 2018 19: 25
                      0
                      Quote: NEXUS
                      From which carriers was LRASM tested, and I apologize, but where are the trials successful from the ship?

                      it’s your diarrhea and diarrhea that you are running ahead of a steam locomotive.
                      In July 2013, the LRASM mock-ups from the standard Mk 41 fire-fighting system were successfully completed. In January 2014, Lockheed Martin demonstrated the successful launch of the LRASM from the Mk 41 fire-fighting aircraft, confirming the possibility of firing a new missile with minimal modifications to existing ship equipment. So the tests are in full swing. By the way, even with the aviation version it’s still not bad (because there are aircraft carrier aircraft). Given the radius of the Super Hornet, the LRASM range is 1700 km. Nekhilo, right? So who would blather for the knowledge of materiel.

                      Quote: NEXUS
                      So why are there ship-based anti-ship missiles, dear?

                      And you need to read better, but still be able to think. at least a little
                      Quote: NEXUS
                      In January 2012, it was decided that technological risks in the development of supersonic anti-ship missiles are unnecessarily high and work on the LRASM-B has been discontinued.

                      Abandoned the supersonic version. only. Are you not trained to read? Then you do not speak on the forums, and study the primer
                      1. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 16 February 2018 19: 34
                        +7
                        Quote: Gregory_45
                        In July 2013, the throw tests of the LRASM prototype from the standard MK 41 UVP were successfully conducted. So the tests are in full swing.

                        Did you learn to read? All tests were carried out with bombers, except ..
                        September 17, 2013 at the White Sands training ground, a test launch of a prototype rocket equipped with an engine was performed. According to the manufacturer, the rocket with the help of a solid-fuel accelerator successfully launched from the Mk 41 UVP and completed a test flight program, confirming the possibility of firing from a standard ship’s launcher without compromising the characteristics of the missile's stealth radar. Flight details are not specified.

                        Then what? Who would sit blather about the materiel then? If there is this ship-based anti-ship missile, then in range it is truncated, and even subsonic.
                        Quote: Gregory_45
                        So the tests are in full swing.

                        Che seriously? In the years 15-16-17 where do not tell the test? wassat
                        Quote: Gregory_45
                        Given the radius of the Super Hornet, the LRASM range is 1700 km. Nekhilo, right? So who would blather for the knowledge of materiel.

                        I can’t from this frame ... wassat I'm telling you about ship-based anti-ship missiles, freak ... wassat Where is she? Where are the trials in the years 15-16-17? M

                        Quote: Gregory_45
                        And you need to read better, but still be able to think. at least a little

                        Now ... now they slowly got up, went to the mirror and say the same thing again. wassat
              3. dvina71
                dvina71 16 February 2018 15: 49
                +2
                Quote: Gregory_45
                LRASM and cry

                Tears .. tears of emotion .. Subsonic anti-ship missiles .. aviation .. Are you serious?
                the LRASM-B long-range supersonic anti-ship missile program was closed due to high TECHNOLOGICAL risks .. and then I finally burst into tears ..
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 16 February 2018 16: 47
                  +6
                  Quote: dvina71
                  Tears .. tears of emotion .. Subsonic anti-ship missiles .. aviation .. Are you serious?

                  Just, apparently, we should have started to cry, looking at the range of this anti-ship missile 930 km ... only now, what does this comrade say when, by the year 20, suddenly, we will have a GZUR (hyper-fast anti-ship missile) with a range of 1500 km , I’m modestly silent about speed.
                  1. Grigory_45
                    Grigory_45 16 February 2018 19: 12
                    0
                    “Just, apparently, we should have wept, looking at the range of this anti-ship missile system of 930 km” - well, you advised me to look at the range of American anti-ship missiles. Well, have you looked?
                    "when suddenly, we will have GZUR" - when it appears, then we will speak. So far, nothing. By the way, I wonder what by 2020 will appear on the other side of the ocean?
                    1. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 16 February 2018 19: 18
                      +6
                      Quote: Gregory_45
                      "when suddenly, we will have GZUR" - when it appears, then we will speak. So far, nothing. By the way, I wonder what by 2020 will appear on the other side of the ocean?

                      And when LRASM-B appears, do not tell me? wassat
                      1. Grigory_45
                        Grigory_45 16 February 2018 19: 28
                        0
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        And when LRASM-B appears, do not tell me?

                        not LRASM-B, but the ship version of LRASM. And very soon.
                        "In January 2014, Lockheed Martin demonstrated the successful launch of the LRASM from the Mk 41, confirming the possibility of firing a new missile with minimal modifications to existing ship equipment."
                        And you smile further) I am more and more convinced that this is a consequence of a brick falling on my head
                2. Grigory_45
                  Grigory_45 16 February 2018 19: 08
                  0
                  Quote: dvina71
                  Subsonic anti-ship missiles .. aviation .. are you serious?

                  LRASM including ship. Tears that the range of bourgeois anti-ship missiles was equal to domestic? Now they’ll finish the supersonic. And you throw the caps above
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 16 February 2018 19: 19
                    +6
                    Quote: Gregory_45
                    LRASM including ship.

                    In January 2012, it was decided that the technological risks involved in developing a supersonic anti-ship missile were unnecessarily high and work on the LRASM-B was discontinued.

                    Materiel to help you.
                    a subsonic anti-ship missile with a range of up to 800 km based on the AGM-158B JASSM-ER aviation missile.

                    And where is 930km?
                    1. Grigory_45
                      Grigory_45 16 February 2018 20: 00
                      0
                      Quote: NEXUS
                      And where is 930km?

                      created on the basis - this does not mean a complete copy. Your crooked thinking again gives out wishful thinking.
                      according to various sources, the LRASM range is from 930 to 980 km
                  2. dvina71
                    dvina71 16 February 2018 19: 22
                    +1
                    Quote: Gregory_45
                    Now they’ll finish the supersonic

                    The name of the program by which they saw such RCC ... pliz?
                    1. Grigory_45
                      Grigory_45 16 February 2018 19: 35
                      0
                      Quote: dvina71
                      The name of the program

                      The keys to the safe where are not to tell?
                      I think it will be RGM-174 ERAM
                    2. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 16 February 2018 19: 37
                      +6
                      Quote: dvina71
                      The name of the program by which they saw such RCC ... pliz?

                      Cry and wave together. lol
                      Quote: Gregory_45
                      I think it will be RGM-174 ERAM
                      1. Grigory_45
                        Grigory_45 16 February 2018 20: 06
                        0
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        Cry and wave together

                        you better say anything about Zircon. You can not? Though admire the picture, or something ..)
                      2. Town Hall
                        Town Hall 16 February 2018 20: 15
                        0
                        Nexus..pro ROFAR do not forget ..
                      3. dvina71
                        dvina71 17 February 2018 02: 18
                        +2
                        Quote: Gregory_45
                        you better say anything about Zircon.

                        This Zircon has been given to you .. The USA still cannot release something similar to Granite .. and it’s already a hundred years old at lunch .. Atlantes can now shoot off in one gulp what they only dream of in the USA ..
        2. ZVO
          ZVO 16 February 2018 14: 55
          0
          Quote: dvina71
          Quote: igorka357
          capable of fucking drown all our surface fleets

          Than? Subsonic PCR? Seriously? They have all the emphasis on the ACG, where several ships of the retinue support one strike ship.


          SM-6 - Subsonic RCC?
          1. dvina71
            dvina71 16 February 2018 15: 37
            +1
            Quote: ZVO
            SM-6 - Subsonic RCC?

            SM-6 pcr?
            1. ZVO
              ZVO 16 February 2018 16: 18
              0
              Quote: dvina71
              Quote: ZVO
              SM-6 - Subsonic RCC?

              SM-6 pcr?


              Yeah
              its functionality allows it to be a great anti-ship missile ... didn’t you know about it? :)
              1. dvina71
                dvina71 16 February 2018 16: 28
                0
                Quote: ZVO
                its functionality

                Kinetic BG or HE explosive weighing 115 kg .. Do RCC X-35 penetrating BG. 145 kg .. Excellent anti-ship missile?
                1. Grigory_45
                  Grigory_45 16 February 2018 19: 14
                  0
                  Quote: dvina71
                  Great anti-ship missile?

                  Do you want to say that it is not RCC? Although yes. someone convinced us that it could not be RCC. Do you know the performance characteristics of anti-ship missiles based on the SM-6? Be so kind as enlighten)
                  1. dvina71
                    dvina71 16 February 2018 19: 21
                    0
                    Quote: Gregory_45
                    Do you know the performance characteristics of anti-ship missiles based on the SM-6?

                    Does she have this pcr?
                    1. Grigory_45
                      Grigory_45 16 February 2018 19: 57
                      0
                      Quote: dvina71
                      Does she have this pcr?

                      then why do you write
                      Quote: dvina71
                      Kinetic BG or HE explosive weighing 115 kg .. Do RCC X-35 penetrating BG. 145 kg .. Excellent anti-ship missile?

                      ??
                      1. dvina71
                        dvina71 16 February 2018 22: 14
                        0
                        Quote: Gregory_45
                        then why do you write

                        ZUR cannot be a remarkable RCC .. Fort missiles have been able to strike ships for a long time, like Osa .. Georgian boats are witnesses to you.
      2. Serg65
        Serg65 16 February 2018 16: 50
        +4
        Quote: igorka357
        And after a couple of years more, and more ... and through 10-12 you look .. u amers will be 68 modern destroyers

        Oh, yes, my friend Igor, now I’m not funny! I'm scared now. 68 MODERN DESTROYERS !!!!! Oh my God crying
        Quote: igorka357
        able to fuck drown all our surface fleets combined

        recourse In 10 years, we will all die! crying
        Quote: igorka357
        which su = ka half the world bend ka neh piss!

        what Bend down destroyers ????
    5. cormorant
      cormorant 16 February 2018 18: 53
      0
      Do not arm as an iron, it will not become a cruiser from this ...
  2. Altona
    Altona 16 February 2018 13: 22
    +5
    Although they’re doing it, it’s still a hybrid of iron, radio and dynamo.
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  3. Angel_and_Demon
    Angel_and_Demon 16 February 2018 13: 22
    +5
    the Navy leadership decided to reorient the main mission of these destroyers - from striking ground targets to combat surface ships
    Really already refused to attack the DPRK?
  4. Herculesic
    Herculesic 16 February 2018 13: 23
    +2
    Let the guns be put on them from the old cruisers, in two rows along the sides! lol They will look cool, albeit stupidly lol
  5. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 16 February 2018 13: 25
    +5
    can also be used to destroy surface and ground targets.
    . In addition, their task will be to provide zonal air defense and missile defense of aircraft carrier multipurpose groups.
    Most likely, based on the declared their main task will be the escort of aircraft carriers.
    1. igorka357
      igorka357 16 February 2018 13: 45
      +3
      Yes, here everyone wanted to comment on yours ... the main thing is to pick out the enemy’s promising developments, and then die worthlessly .. even without knowing where it came from ... Netby to listen, discuss .. the pros and cons, which would be better for us to adopt ... , they have all bullshit .. de = bills !!!
      1. KVU-NSVD
        KVU-NSVD 16 February 2018 13: 49
        +5
        Quote: igorka357
        Yes, here everyone wanted to comment on yours ... the main thing is to pick out the enemy’s promising developments, and then die worthlessly .. even without knowing where it came from ... Netby to listen, discuss .. the pros and cons, which would be better for us to adopt ... , they have all bullshit .. de = bills !!!

        Do not poke, breathe evenly and bend your line calmly and reasonably .... hi
      2. dvina71
        dvina71 16 February 2018 14: 13
        +1
        Quote: igorka357
        promising enemy developments

        What is promising there besides appearance? Yes, and appearance .. classic American, far from the laws of physics, sopromat .. stress diagram .. Or are you talking about a combined propulsion system? Which has been used for many years in civil shipping.
        1. Grigory_45
          Grigory_45 16 February 2018 20: 26
          0
          Quote: dvina71
          What is promising there besides appearance?

          Do you always judge by appearance? Talent! Why are they not taking you to the design bureau? Would look at the drawing - and issued a verdict, perspectively or not, what characteristics will have. And then, you see, guys fool around, then they test models in the pool, then they blow airplanes in a wind tunnel .. How much would save manpower and money for the good of the Motherland!

          Quote: dvina71
          far from the laws of physics, sopromat .. stress diagram

          Are you a shipbuilder?
          Quote: dvina71
          Or are you talking about a combined propulsion system? Which has been used in civil shipping for many years

          For whom does a similar installation (GTE + electric motors) of such power normally work?
          The specialist will carefully study the enemy’s technique, learn all its nuances, pros and cons, and draw the correct, politically unpainted conclusions. And he will try to apply promising in his developments.
          Sometimes you go nuts with you. They scolded F-22 - bang, and we make an analog, PAK FA, and we don’t scold him at all, but we admire with aspiration. That B-2 bonfire, and - again, about a miracle - we do a similar PAK YES. And so in almost everything
          1. dvina71
            dvina71 17 February 2018 03: 11
            0
            Quote: Gregory_45
            Are you a shipbuilder?

            No .. but I live near by the NSR .. I’m so a mechanical engineer .. And since I studied sopromat .. I don’t like the Zumwalt hull lines .. they don’t even come close to the ideal diagrams of the ship’s hull voltage. And this is definitely not know-how .. this is illiteracy.
            Quote: Gregory_45
            That scolded F-22 - bam, and do an analog, PAK FA

            What makes you think that the Su-57 is an analogue of the F-22? And f-22 bonfire correct ... there is one paint worth ... and an air regeneration system ..

            Quote: Gregory_45
            That B-2 bonfire, and - again, about a miracle - we do a similar PAK YES

            Again .. why an analog? Subsonic? Is that all? ..

            Quote: Gregory_45
            For whom does a similar installation (GTE + electric motors) of such power normally work?

            Yes, ml .. I’m a bunch of thermal power plants and thermal power plants .. work for decades ..
            At sea..RMS Queen Mary 2 ..suitable?
            1. Grigory_45
              Grigory_45 17 February 2018 05: 23
              0
              Quote: dvina71
              they don’t even come close to the ideal diagrams of the ship’s hull voltage. And this is definitely not know-how .. this is illiteracy.

              however, he walks better than the Burke, and even more so the Ticonderoga, despite all its apparent clumsiness. Practice, it’s, as you know, a criterion of truth) And yes, there are no short-handed deer living there, counting (or are they not studying sopromats in the USA?)) And they rolled models in the pool. By the way, such hulls had old cruisers. And nothing fell apart) Did you draw the diagrams? Wow) Well, and how, the rigidity of the body is greater. than Burke, or much worse?
              Quote: dvina71
              What makes you think that the Su-57 is an analogue of the F-22?

              because it is. Both 5th generation, multifunctional. Similar. as the Su-27 is an analogue of the F-15.
              Quote: dvina71
              And f-22 bonfire right

              Yeah, the American plane to fire is correct, and ours is apolitical. Are you an engineer or politician?
              Quote: dvina71
              Again .. why an analog? Subsonic? Is that all? ..

              because the analogue. Have you seen the PAK YES model? So take a look. Almost a copy of Spirit. However, all the "flying wings" are similar.
              Quote: dvina71
              teaching heat and power plants and thermal power plants

              I'm talking about high power ship systems. A stationary on the ground and a ship installation are two different things. Just like a nuclear power plant and a nuclear reactor on a ship.
              Quote: dvina71
              Rms queen mary 2

              think why the English have their “Deryngi” also sometimes break? Their power plant with Zamovlt is very similar.
    2. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 16 February 2018 19: 55
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      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      Based on the stated main task will be the escort of aircraft carriers

      I think. Yes. I would have removed both 155-mm towers in place of the Yankees, instead of them I put one 127-mm AU and UVP Mk41 under the Standards. Then something already looked like a warship. 80 Axes and 46 Standards or ACROC
  6. ul_vitalii
    ul_vitalii 16 February 2018 13: 26
    +7
    Again, bezyakorny. Well, how tired you are! No.
    1. san4es
      san4es 16 February 2018 14: 02
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      Quote: ul_vitalii
      Again, bezyakorny. Well, how tired you are! No.

      ... This "transformer" at the factory berth does not need an anchor bully
  7. igorka357
    igorka357 16 February 2018 13: 42
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    K-by the way, something about f-22 you stumbled ... dynamo-iron-foaming cameras ....
    1. Serpent Pliskin
      Serpent Pliskin 16 February 2018 13: 58
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      and what's wrong with him?
  8. Dr. Barmaley
    Dr. Barmaley 16 February 2018 14: 07
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    The Pentagon has decided to rearm the latest invisible destroyers

    Now it will be promising excavators:
  9. Serpent Pliskin
    Serpent Pliskin 16 February 2018 14: 07
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    I don’t understand the hooting about Zumwalt. Pilot development, rolling technology, what did you want? At least they can drag out such a task of creating similar projects, the benefit of their economy, defense industry and a high scientific level allows them to conduct such experiments. Anyway, whatever one may say, the future lies with such ships.
  10. Vasya Svoyakov
    Vasya Svoyakov 16 February 2018 14: 33
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    Mega cut the budget in Americanos! Upper class!
  11. Altona
    Altona 16 February 2018 14: 36
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    Quote: igorka357
    Arly Burke tell it, stupid cheers patriot!

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    What does Arleigh Burke have to do with it? I see you are a very smart guy. What do you want a piece of shit?
  12. Altona
    Altona 16 February 2018 14: 42
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    Quote: Snake Pliskin
    I don’t understand the hooting about Zumwalt.

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    Yes, there are no hooting. The F-35 is also "experimental development", the aircraft carrier "Gerald Ford" is also "experimental development". There is nothing "experimental" there. Just the percentage of innovation shoved into a new product will correlate with the number of failures. Zumvolt was made for the railgun too, but there is still no railgun on it. The energy capacity on it is redundant. Gerald Ford also has failures with aircraft lifts, catapults, and other systems.
    1. Serpent Pliskin
      Serpent Pliskin 16 February 2018 14: 46
      +1
      "Yes, there are no hooting." What, seriously? A little to see the comments above? And other comments in the news to Zamvolt.
      I bet if we had such a ship, we would be proud of it. And the fact that children's diseases are full, so well ... Who does not have them, given the number of innovations. Personally, it was enough for me to watch a video of Gerald Ford's sea trials so that my tongue would begin to hoot once and for all. And we have Ivan Gren and Kuzya. And compare.
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 17 February 2018 13: 51
      +1
      "There is nothing“ experimental. "Just the percentage of innovations shoved into a new product will correlate with the number of failures." ////

      You correctly combined these products into one group: innovative projects.
      And they will have failures and bugs. Which will patch and mend.
      But those countries that DO NOT do innovative projects, but hold on to the "old and proven" quickly find themselves in the group: lagging behind. And further: hopelessly lagging behind.
  13. Altona
    Altona 16 February 2018 14: 46
    +1
    Quote: igorka357
    Yes, here everyone wanted to comment on yours ... the main thing is to pick out the enemy’s promising developments, and then die worthlessly .. even without knowing where it came from ... Netby to listen, discuss .. the pros and cons, which would be better for us to adopt ... , they have all bullshit .. de = bills !!!

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    This "promising" ship has long been discussed from all sides. He is very "promising." There is no railgun, the cabin is made of balsa wood, sheathed with foil. The cabin cuts off about 40 percent of the shelling of the art installation in two 155 mm barrels. Further, she shoots guided missiles at 100 km (!!!). The shells are corrected by the triangulation method and three unmanned helicopters with a cruising range of 200 (!!!) km take off for correction. We will continue to discuss this miracle?
    1. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 16 February 2018 19: 47
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      Quote: Altona
      We will continue to discuss this miracle?

      Do you know how? Such nonsense was written that it was impossible to take seriously. Kindergarten, by golly. There is a golden rule - before you say something, think a hundred times.
    2. Navigator Basov
      Navigator Basov 17 February 2018 19: 20
      +1
      Quote: Altona
      art installations
      An art installation would have been if Pusi Rayet with Pavlensky (for example, with a scrotum nailed to a nail) were installed on a rotating platform for guidance wink
      Quote: Academic Spelling Dictionary of the Russian Language Institute V.V. Vinogradova RAS
      art ... - the first part of complex words (abbr .: artillery), is written together;
      art ... - the first part of complex words in the meaning. “Art related to art” is written with a hyphen.

      But in essence, almost everything is true, well, unless a wooden cabin, as far as I know, should be nitpicked, rather this construction is too simplified to create a comic effect during discussion. For me, in the whole implementation there is much more comic than in a wooden superstructure.
  14. Altona
    Altona 16 February 2018 14: 50
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    Quote: Snake Pliskin
    "Yes, there are no hooting." What, seriously? A little to see the comments above? And other comments in the news to Zamvolt.

    --------------------------------
    What, seriously? It has long been discussed this miracle. Will we discuss it again? Good. The designers there managed to shove the power plant, which had to be removed from the case during the repair, cutting a decent hole in it with a gas cutter. The most interesting thing is that the power plant periodically begins to pour metal chips into the crankcase.
    PS The young "promising" ship is already in desperate need of engine repair. Strange, isn't it?
    1. Serpent Pliskin
      Serpent Pliskin 16 February 2018 14: 57
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      and where can you learn all this? Give a link
      1. Navigator Basov
        Navigator Basov 17 February 2018 19: 27
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        http://pogugli.com/?317629
  15. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 16 February 2018 14: 52
    +1
    Finally it came to exceptional minds that the gunboat is too big and expensive to support the landing, because any landing does not imply low visibility on radars due to the difference in approaches when designing ships of different classes .. And the "invisible" support ship It doesn’t fit with the noticeable forces of the invasion. Got a turnip and decided to make Zamvolt the executor of the same functions as a bunch of cheaper Burkov lol Although with more powerful artillery weapons. But the essence of this does not change. As a result, the American admirals received more expensive toys, which will need to be further monitored, because if they are lost, they will not stroke it on the head.
    Conclusions - why was it perverted to make a ship for 7 billion green pounds, if the ship perfectly performs the same functions for 2 billion of the same pieces of paper ??? what request
    1. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 16 February 2018 19: 45
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      Quote: Rurikovich
      Conclusions - why was it perverted

      for the same reason why we did the Su-47 and a bunch of experimental machines. A negative result is also a result, but you cannot buy experience in a store.
  16. Altona
    Altona 16 February 2018 14: 59
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    Quote: Snake Pliskin
    and where can you learn all this? Give a link

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    Yes, read Wikipedia, everything is written there. It’s just been discussed many times. And this ship was often discussed on television on both Zvezda TV and Prokopenko’s on Ren-TV.
    1. Serpent Pliskin
      Serpent Pliskin 16 February 2018 15: 06
      +1
      Star and Prokopenko is of course a super reliable source! Reptilians, Nibiru, Zamwolt
  17. Altona
    Altona 16 February 2018 15: 09
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    Quote: Snake Pliskin
    Star and Prokopenko is of course a super reliable source! Reptilians, Nibiru, Zamwolt

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    Wikipedia is visible too. There is everything on the net. Read.
    1. Serpent Pliskin
      Serpent Pliskin 17 February 2018 09: 07
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      there is nothing critical in the wiki article. Two minor breakdowns. And everything else, as I understand it, is the hot nonsense of our cheers-patriotic press and TV. See more programs about reptilians.
  18. Grigory_45
    Grigory_45 16 February 2018 19: 43
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    NEXUS,

    Quote: NEXUS
    Did you learn to read? All tests were carried out with bombers, except

    except that the missile successfully flies from the UVP Mk.41. What kind of ships are they on, do not tell me? Didn’t a brick fall on your head, but was covered with a concrete slab?
    As for the rest, I’ll say simply. Of course, you may not take seriously the LRASM program and the successful course of its testing. The Navy is already operating it. Following now, the Air Force rolls it under itself. Well, yes, it’s more pleasant and habitual for you to throw hats
    And stop flooding. It seemed like a serious resource, but thanks to people like you, it turns into a kindergarten, a nursery. If you are a child - then watch good night, kids, drink milk and sleep in lulu
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 16 February 2018 22: 13
      +6
      Quote: Gregory_45
      except that the missile successfully flies from the UVP Mk.41. What kind of ships are they on, do not tell me? Didn’t a brick fall on your head, but was covered with a concrete slab?

      Facts in the studio, dear. Why are you bubbling? Where are the facts of a successful test of this RCC from a carrier ship?
      So who is covered with a concrete slab?
      1. Grigory_45
        Grigory_45 16 February 2018 22: 38
        +1
        Quote: NEXUS
        Facts in the studio, dear

        The facts are given. Read above
        Quote: NEXUS
        Why are you bubbling?

        I observe the seething only on your part, it is not in my rules to conduct a conversation in this tone
        Quote: NEXUS
        So who is covered with a concrete slab?

        probably. not me. I do not confuse aviation anti-ship missiles with shipboard and design drawings with a real flying rocket. Something like this laughing
        And now is the time to remind those who have a bad memory with which everything started. And here it is from this:
        Quote: NEXUS
        Well, yes ... only the range of our anti-ship missiles will be more than that of mattresses

        Actually, they showed you perfectly that the flight ranges of the missiles were equal. And if we take into account the flight range of naval aviation, then they exceeded. You set up a kindergarten - you started throwing hats "But we still have better!" etc. This is not the case. And that mattresses caught up with us. If previously there was the unconditional superiority of the USSR / Russia in missiles, now it is gone. But AUG Americans have not gone anywhere. So stop throwing hats, the time for jokes is over.
        Although you, undoubtedly, are nicer to the heart of the enemy to crap. It’s the same, the stronger I crap, the worse his rockets suddenly began to fly, and ours miraculously became much better! Kindergarten Level.
        I say goodbye to sim, there’s nothing more to talk about with you hi Learn materiel and learn to communicate
  19. Grigory_45
    Grigory_45 16 February 2018 22: 48
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    dvina71,
    Quote: dvina71
    ZUR can not be a remarkable RCC.

    Functionality allows. Well, so that you are not completely unsubstantiated, provide SMR-6 RCC data, and we will see and see if it can be RCC or not. Waiting, sir ..)
  20. Grigory_45
    Grigory_45 17 February 2018 05: 34
    +1
    dvina71,
    Quote: dvina71
    This Zircon was given to you

    Question asked uncomfortable? I answered all yours. I look forward to the same. You are silent as partisans. Although they were so talkative, they tried to shine with wit .. So what will be the answer?
    Quote: dvina71
    US still can't release something like Granite

    Nonsense. LRASM is their answer. It is inferior in speed, but noticeably superior in guidance system. Just a different approach, and no more.
    RCC Standard will be a kind of response to Caliber. With a smaller range, higher speed. Or are Americans obliged to make rockets not what they need, but solely at your command?
  21. seos
    seos 17 February 2018 12: 02
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    In fact, this project has a bunch of advantages ..
    + Price, rockets are made with GOS air-to-air missiles and low-cost components from already used rockets- the cost of a rocket is $ 1m
    + Long-range air defense missile + long-range missile defense + attack on land and sea targets
  22. ZVO
    ZVO 18 February 2018 19: 51
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    dvina71,
    Quote: dvina71
    Quote: Gregory_45
    then why do you write

    ZUR cannot be a remarkable RCC .. Fort missiles have been able to strike ships for a long time, like Osa .. Georgian boats are witnesses to you.


    Well, look at least a little further ...
    Take a look.
    Look at Talos.

    Look at modern ships.
    Any modern powerful missile system - 100% removes a ship of the class Frigate or Destroyer, and even more so Corvette - from the battle.
    With remote detonation, it completely destroys the antenna field and half of the contents of the superstructure - making the ship incapable.
    With direct defeat. due to the highest kinetic energy (3M, however) - upon impact and undermining of warheads - there is a breakdown from the pedestals of all components and assemblies of the ship. He still 100% out of the battle.

    Exit the battle with the beginning of the struggle for survivability.
    Here is the result of the defeat of any modern ship, not the largest ship - just one missile ...
    1. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 18 February 2018 21: 25
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      You are surprisingly "consistent") First argue with me, then you agree with me, saying that the missile system can act as RCC. With what I congratulate you. Moreover, the warhead missile launcher "Fort" is no more than the warhead "Standard". Storm was able to shoot at ships, and all air defense systems can. Those. ZUR functionality allows you to be a good RCC. If the missile warhead with the missile defense is replaced with a high explosive (even the same weight), then the action on ship structures will be even higher.
      When firing missiles at the ships, the non-contact fuse is turned off, rightly believing that such a large target will be a direct hit and penetration of the rocket into the ship. What you cited as a defeat by fragments of radar antennas and add-ons is the action of PRR. In 1972, the Shrike, by mistake instead of the North Vietnamese air defense system, was hit by the American cruiser Warden, breaking almost all its radars and practically depriving it of combat effectiveness. In "Shrike" CU, if sclerosis does not change, something is 60 pounds
      1. ZVO
        ZVO 19 February 2018 10: 55
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        Quote: Gregory_45
        You are surprisingly "consistent") First argue with me, then you agree with me, saying that the missile system can act as RCC. With what I congratulate you.


        Actually, not with you, but with Dvina71.
        His name is the first to be quoted. He answered you, and I answer him. It was possible to more accurately reject your correspondence, but "I could not, I could not ..."