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Ukraine refused to discuss the second stage of the exchange of prisoners

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Representatives of Ukraine in the humanitarian subgroup in Minsk refused to discuss the second stage of the upcoming exchange of prisoners, reports RIA News the message of the Ombudsman of the Donetsk Republic Darya Morozova.




At the next meeting in Minsk, which took place on 14 February 2018, the Ukrainian side refused to discuss the second stage of the upcoming exchange of held persons, as well as the remaining issues on the agenda, voluntarily and without motivation leaving the meeting of the working group on humanitarian issues, thereby showing disrespect to all participants in the negotiation process,
told Morozova.

She also noted that the proposal previously voiced by Kiev regarding the next stage of the exchange is unacceptable for the DPR.

The formula "16 on 6", proposed by the Ukrainian side, includes persons who were previously divided into so-called categories: especially serious crimes - one person, crimes not related to anti-terrorist operation - 11 people, four people recently detained by the special services of Ukraine, but not included representatives of the DNI in the list on the exchange. This proposal is not acceptable for us, since we regard the termination of the categorization by the Ukrainian side as an opportunity to carry out a full-fledged second stage of the exchange according to the formula "all installed on all established"
Morozova told reporters.

Recall that at the end of December 2017, the first exchange of prisoners took place in 15 months. After that, the Kiev authorities announced the preparation of the next stages of the exchange.
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  1. Angel_and_Demon
    Angel_and_Demon 16 February 2018 12: 26
    +5
    This proposal is not acceptable for us, because we regard the termination of the division into categories by the Ukrainian side as the possibility of a full-fledged second stage of the exchange according to the formula "all installed on all installed",
    But how do these banderlogs want to change?
    1. dog breeder
      dog breeder 16 February 2018 12: 28
      +2
      One Turchinov for all the militias! I gave out ...
      1. Angel_and_Demon
        Angel_and_Demon 16 February 2018 12: 29
        +9
        why turchinov?
        1. dog breeder
          dog breeder 16 February 2018 12: 36
          +4
          exchange for everyone. He, in position, is heavier than Poroshenko.
          1. Angel_and_Demon
            Angel_and_Demon 16 February 2018 12: 48
            +5
            well then you have to steal it first request
    2. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 16 February 2018 12: 29
      +6
      Again, an American drone flew in
      1. Angel_and_Demon
        Angel_and_Demon 16 February 2018 12: 48
        +5
        and what did you want? or tension escalation again?
        1. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 16 February 2018 13: 09
          +4
          He sees and listens to the air for 400 km. Flies every two days, and earlier once every half a year and once every 3 months.
          1. Angel_and_Demon
            Angel_and_Demon 16 February 2018 13: 10
            +5
            and maybe then hit it with a pulse, high-frequency?
        2. vlad66
          vlad66 16 February 2018 13: 09
          +7
          Quote: Angel_and_Demon
          and what did you want? or tension escalation again?

          Scouting Victor hi For what the earplugs are being prepared.
          1. Angel_and_Demon
            Angel_and_Demon 16 February 2018 13: 18
            +7
            then you have to get ready to slap him, quietly negative
        3. Tatyana
          Tatyana 16 February 2018 13: 14
          +3
          Quote: Angel_and_Demon
          and what did you want? or tension escalation again?
          American intelligence drones, in particular, is intelligence for the APU.

          All information from American drones is transmitted not only to the Pentagon, but also primarily is carried out directly to Kiev by Amer’s specialists for transmission to the APU.
          In other words, the US is simply fighting on the side of Kiev to help the APU.
          1. Angel_and_Demon
            Angel_and_Demon 16 February 2018 13: 20
            +6
            Well, the fact that their instructor is not hiding there, am I saying that they want war again, or is it trolling?
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 16 February 2018 13: 41
              +2
              The United States is not just working to continue the war in Ukraine, but it is there waging its proxy war with Russia. To defeat Russia, Washington just needs a Ukrainian foothold and, above all, Crimea with its strategic military position in the Black Sea.

              Negotiations of the Kiev authorities on the transfer of Crimea to the full disposal of the United States were already underway until the decision of the Crimeans to join the Russian Federation in 1914. The Pentagon in Crimea even already had a plan to remake the infrastructure of Crimea for the deployment of US forces there. However, Washington nevertheless left Crimea in the hands of the Russian Federation. And now the Pentagon seeks to take revenge from Russia. And in this regard, Washington in every possible way influences all possible decisions of official Kiev in its favor by supporting radical Ukrainian nationalists, supposedly in favor of the "independence" and "unity" of Ukraine, which has long been under the heel of the United States.
              1. bane's jacket
                bane's jacket 16 February 2018 13: 46
                +1
                Quote: Tatiana

                Negotiations of the Kiev authorities on the transfer of Crimea to the full disposal of the United States were already underway until the decision of the Crimeans to join the Russian Federation in 1914. Even the Pentagon in the Crimea already had a plan for the infrastructural alteration of the Crimea for the deployment of US forces there. .

                I already wrote to you that you would stop using hallucinogens. Apparently, you ignored this advice.
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 16 February 2018 13: 54
                  +1
                  bane's jacket
                  I already wrote to you that you would stop using hallucinogens. Apparently, you ignored this advice.
                  Leave your recommendations for yourself! You and your ignorant trolling are already tired of me! Scroll more often at least the Internet! Or have you only recently connected to the Internet?
                  1. bane's jacket
                    bane's jacket 16 February 2018 14: 00
                    +1
                    Quote: Tatiana
                    bane's jacket
                    I already wrote to you that you would stop using hallucinogens. Apparently, you ignored this advice.
                    Leave your recommendations for yourself! You and your ignorant trolling are already tired of me!

                    This is clear. How can a person who asks to provide facts on your delusional (you can’t call it otherwise) statements not “bother”?
                    Let's guess again: in order to find facts about
                    Negotiations of the Kiev authorities on the transfer of Crimea to the full disposal of the United States were already underway until the decision of the Crimeans to join the Russian Federation in 1914. Even the Pentagon in the Crimea already had a plan for the infrastructural alteration of the Crimea for the deployment of US forces there.

                    I need to go to Google myself and find it there, right? laughing
                    1. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 16 February 2018 14: 09
                      +1
                      bane's jacket
                      How can a person who asks to provide facts on your delusional (you can’t call it otherwise) statements not “bother”?
                      I reluctantly and wasting my personal time on you, I always answered and cited the facts. But you do not read my answers! You do not return to your questions. It is important for you to snort towards your opponent - to show yourself, they say, that's how smart I am - and that’s it! The dialogue, as such, is not of interest to you for discussion. And yourself, to search for something on the Internet and do a little of your self-education is just too lazy for you!
                      I need to go to Google myself and find it there, right?
                      I don’t know where you will go for information, but you obviously do not have enough information on many issues.
                      1. bane's jacket
                        bane's jacket 16 February 2018 14: 11
                        +1
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        bane's jacket
                        How can a person who asks to provide facts on your delusional (you can’t call it otherwise) statements not “bother”?
                        I reluctantly and wasting my personal time on you, I always answered and cited the facts. But you do not read my answers! You do not return to your questions. It is important for you to snort towards your opponent - to show yourself, they say, that's how smart I am - and that’s it! The dialogue, as such, is not of interest to you for discussion. And yourself, to search for something on the Internet and do a little of your self-education is just too lazy for you!

                        Write easier: links to
                        Negotiations of the Kiev authorities on the transfer of Crimea to the full disposal of the United States were already underway until the decision of the Crimeans to join the Russian Federation in 1914. Even the Pentagon in the Crimea already had a plan for the infrastructural alteration of the Crimea for the deployment of US forces there.

                        as usually happens to you, it won’t. crying
                    2. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 16 February 2018 14: 49
                      +1
                      bane's jacket

                      as usually happens to you
                      This "usually" for some reason happens only with you. Veterans-users on the "VO" of similar questions about
                      Negotiations of the Kiev authorities on the transfer of Crimea to the full disposal of the United States were already underway until the decision of the Crimeans to join the Russian Federation in 1914. Even the Pentagon in the Crimea already had a plan for the infrastructural alteration of the Crimea for the deployment of US forces there.
                      they don’t ask, because they have been aware of all this for a long time already - from 2014 of the year!
                      This is for you, the jacket of Bane, for one reason, in your head, one questionnaire without answers!
                      1. bane's jacket
                        bane's jacket 16 February 2018 15: 40
                        +1
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        . Veterans-users on the "VO" of similar questions about
                        Negotiations of the Kiev authorities on the transfer of Crimea to the full disposal of the United States were already underway until the decision of the Crimeans to join the Russian Federation in 1914. Even the Pentagon in the Crimea already had a plan for the infrastructural alteration of the Crimea for the deployment of US forces there.
                        they don’t ask, because they have been aware of all this for a long time already - from 2014 of the year!
                        This is for you, the jacket of Bane, for one reason, in your head, one questionnaire without answers!

                        The fact that "veterans do not ask such questions," as I understand it, has you relaxed? And then I came (not a veteran of VO) and asked such a question. And our Tatyana, for some reason, after this question fell into prostration and for the third consecutive post can’t provide a link to her (I’m not afraid of the word) lies.
                        Or am I mistaken, Tatyana, and you can provide a link? laughing
                        Although what I mean ...
                    3. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 16 February 2018 16: 12
                      +2
                      bane's jacket
                      Tatyana, and you can provide a link?
                      Although what I mean ...
                      I think I could. Recently, I just saw again this information-mention on the Internet with recognition from one of the top ex-leaders in Ukraine about personally participating in negotiations on transferring Crimea to Washington’s command for the US Navy base in Sevastopol. But personally for you I will not try to do this!
                      By the way, "you" when referring to a person in Russian according to the rules of grammar is written with a capital letter! Will you also ask me to show you the rules of Russian grammar? Or do you look for these rules yourself?
                      1. bane's jacket
                        bane's jacket 16 February 2018 17: 57
                        +1
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        bane's jacket
                        Tatyana, and you can provide a link?
                        Although what I mean ...
                        I think I could. Recently, I just saw again this information-mention on the Internet with recognition from one of the senior ex-leaders in Ukraine about personally participating in the negotiations on transferring Crimea to Washington for the US Navy base in Sevastopol. But personally for you I will not try to do this!

                        Who would doubt that! laughing
                        Although what I mean ...


                        Quote: Tatiana

                        By the way, "you" when referring to a person in Russian according to the rules of grammar is written with a capital letter! Will you also ask me to show you the rules of Russian grammar? Or do you look for these rules yourself?

                        Of course I’ll ask, and you will merge as usual, because there isn’t such a thing in the “rules of Russian grammar”. Following your logic, the phrase: "in my opinion, you're a smelly goat, here you are," the word "you" - do you need to write it with a capital letter? laughing
                        PS: Tatyana, if not a secret, then tell me. In which class did you drop out of school? repeat
                    4. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 16 February 2018 20: 13
                      0
                      Bane jacket
                      Quote: Tatiana
                      By the way, "you" when referring to a person in Russian according to the rules of grammar is written with a capital letter! Will you also ask me to show you the rules of Russian grammar? Or do you look for these rules yourself?
                      Of course I’ll ask, and you will merge as usual, because there isn’t such a thing in the “rules of Russian grammar”. Following your logic, the phrase: "in my opinion, you're a smelly goat, here you are," the word "you" - do you need to write it with a capital letter?
                      PS: Tatyana, if not a secret, then tell me. In which class did you drop out of school?
                      This is an absolutely illogical question for you to me, as to your opponent! Since animals are "goats," as you deigned to express yourself as your opponent in a pejorative manner, as though you were observing the rules of Russian grammar, in peasant schools, in principle, they don’t study at all!
                      1. bane's jacket
                        bane's jacket 17 February 2018 09: 46
                        +1
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        Bane jacket
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        By the way, "you" when referring to a person in Russian according to the rules of grammar is written with a capital letter! Will you also ask me to show you the rules of Russian grammar? Or do you look for these rules yourself?
                        Of course I’ll ask, and you will merge as usual, because there isn’t such a thing in the “rules of Russian grammar”. Following your logic, the phrase: "in my opinion, you're a smelly goat, here you are," the word "you" - do you need to write it with a capital letter?
                        PS: Tatyana, if not a secret, then tell me. In which class did you drop out of school?
                        This is an absolutely illogical question for you to me, as to your opponent! Since animals are "goats," as you deigned to express yourself as your opponent in a pejorative manner, as though you were observing the rules of Russian grammar, in peasant schools, in principle, they don’t study at all!

                        Those. as usual, not the "rules of Russian grammar", not references to
                        Negotiations of the Kiev authorities on the transfer of Crimea to the full disposal of the United States were already underway until the decision of the Crimeans to join the Russian Federation in 1914. Even the Pentagon in the Crimea already had a plan for the infrastructural alteration of the Crimea for the deployment of US forces there.

                        you will not show? wink
              2. Antares
                Antares 17 February 2018 00: 01
                0
                Quote: Tatiana
                The United States is not just working to continue the war in Ukraine, but it is there waging its proxy war with Russia. To defeat Russia, Washington just needs a Ukrainian foothold and, above all, Crimea with its strategic military position in the Black Sea.

                I’ll miss the start date of 1MB, I would like to ask - what for Crimea, if the rest of Ukraine is much better than Crimea in terms of threat, bridgehead and strategic location?
                Crimea is overestimated, and the largest land border in Europe in Russia is underestimated, plus buns in the form of a conflict between the two largest Russian-speaking countries. Especially in the battle for the minds of the Russian Federation hopelessly lost
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 17 February 2018 03: 56
                  0
                  Antares
                  I would like to ask - what for Crimea- if the rest of Ukraine is much better than Crimea in terms of threat, bridgehead and strategic location?
                  Crimea is overestimated, and the largest land border in Europe in Russia is underestimated
                  Economically and militarily, it is very important for a sovereign country to have an independent - without intermediary countries - access to the sea.
                  According to statistics, Soviet Ukraine had the largest number of ports among all countries of the Black Sea-Azov basin.
                  In the entire vast dominion, there are only four ports open all year - this is Sevastopol. Balaclava, Evpatoria and Theodosius. All of them are in the Crimea.
                  At the same time, the Sevastopol port is also distinguished by the fact that it was the only port in Ukraine, which not only does not freeze in the winter, but also its NATURAL depth along the fairway is 17 meters, which other Ukrainian and Crimean ports do not have.
                  Nikolaev in Ukraine for many reasons will not be able to become like Sevastopol. Portsmouth or Toulon. The first objective reason is that Nikolaev freezes in the winter, and thus, the fleet will be locked in the port from November to April. The same thing happens with Odessa. The second reason is the narrow fairway for ships to exit from Nikolaev into the open sea.
                  Thus, for the United States, a fully-fledged Ukraine, as another state or colony of the United States, is all of Ukraine together with Crimea! Hence Washington’s endless pressure on Russia because of the voluntary return of Crimea to Russia.
                  That's why I wrote that
                  To defeat Russia, Washington just needs a Ukrainian foothold and, above all, Crimea with its strategic military position in the Black Sea.
                  I had in mind the whole of Ukraine-2013, i.e. before the separation of Crimea from it, which Washington was going to get for itself.
                  .Antares
                  Especially in the battle for the minds of the Russian Federation hopelessly lost
                  For this, partly “thanks” to Chernomyrdin and Zurabov!
  2. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 16 February 2018 12: 28
    +7
    What can you do. Bad manners turning into rudeness, rudeness, arrogance, lies, aggressiveness are the modern face of Ukrainian politics.
    1. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 16 February 2018 12: 39
      +3
      Gene, hello! hi Imitation of a stale host. negative
      1. LSA57
        LSA57 16 February 2018 12: 41
        +2
        Quote: bouncyhunter
        Imitation of a stale host

        as the people say, with whom you will lead, from that you will grab
        Hi Pavel hi
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 16 February 2018 12: 46
          +3
          Good day, Sergey! hi It would be better to learn something good, but this option does not work with mattresses. yes
          1. Angel_and_Demon
            Angel_and_Demon 16 February 2018 12: 50
            +6
            Quote: bouncyhunter
            It would be better to learn something good,

            and what do striped have good? something doesn't come to mind request
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 16 February 2018 12: 52
              +2
              Well, what am I talking about?
              Quote: bouncyhunter
              with mattresses this option does not roll

              Victor hi
          2. LSA57
            LSA57 16 February 2018 13: 02
            +2
            Quote: bouncyhunter
            It would be better to learn something good,

            they were taught before the age of 91. then they all safely changed teachers and forgot all the good
      2. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 16 February 2018 12: 43
        +3
        Hello Pasha! hi Yes, even without a master, over the past 27 years they have managed to develop and adopt a new Ukrainian mentality, which no people would like.
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 16 February 2018 12: 45
          +2
          Quote: rotmistr60
          which you will not wish to any people

          I wouldn’t even want this to be, to be honest. sad
      3. rocket757
        rocket757 16 February 2018 12: 46
        +1
        Everything is sad in this regard!
        Until ALL people interested in this are clamped the causal place with doors or for example in a vice, there will be no sense.
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 16 February 2018 12: 54
          +2
          And no one is in a hurry to do this, in vain ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 16 February 2018 14: 30
            +1
            We are not a country of Soviets, which could give Kuzkin’s mother as an argument!
            Bourgeois consensus will be reached, by any means!
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 16 February 2018 19: 25
              +2
              Quote: rocket757
              Bourgeois consensus

              I would have sent this horse Sensus to cutlets. Or stew: the right thing! soldier
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 17 February 2018 13: 34
                +1
                The horse is not young anymore, and its smell is fair. Of course, he still weaves, advances on those who are smaller and weaker, waiting for his demise not so long!
                So we won’t translate spices; we won’t kill such a dukhan anyway!
  3. Egorovich
    Egorovich 16 February 2018 12: 31
    +5
    Ukur.ki, they are ukur.ki. You can negotiate with people, but not with the world in the guise of a person.
    1. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 16 February 2018 12: 40
      +2
      Egorich, my respect! hi
      Quote: Egorovich
      You can negotiate with people, but not with the world in the guise of a person.

      The latter all the arguments reach only through the use of brute force, up to death. soldier
      1. Egorovich
        Egorovich 16 February 2018 12: 45
        +3
        Pasha, hi hi ! Everyone understands the power, and especially in particular.
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 16 February 2018 12: 47
          +2
          So the gopota is always hidden as soon as it flies into a tambourine. bully
          1. Egorovich
            Egorovich 16 February 2018 12: 53
            +4
            All of them in one place and a couple of salvos "Sun" on these creatures! am (Dreams)
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 16 February 2018 12: 56
              +2
              Quote: Egorovich
              (Dreams)

              I used to propose shooting point blank from the KPVT ... repeat
              1. Egorovich
                Egorovich 16 February 2018 13: 02
                +3
                I am for it, but it seems a little. request
                1. bouncyhunter
                  bouncyhunter 16 February 2018 13: 28
                  +2
                  Well, not in the meat grinder of them all? Though ... what
                  1. Egorovich
                    Egorovich 16 February 2018 13: 34
                    +3
                    I don’t even know what “good” to offer, but probably, what comes to mind, everything will work. yes
                    1. bouncyhunter
                      bouncyhunter 16 February 2018 13: 37
                      +2
                      Quote: Egorovich
                      probably that comes to mind, everything will fit

                      So it is: you will not spoil porridge with oil. Tokmo if by machine ... repeat
  4. ul_vitalii
    ul_vitalii 16 February 2018 13: 17
    +7
    Less and less they have trump cards in communication, that’s what they protect, and they don’t give a damn about people.
  5. Baloo
    Baloo 16 February 2018 14: 36
    +1
    Maybe I don’t understand something? recourse Banderlog under the guise of an exchange trying to bombard agents? If a person is trained, this can be seen when examined without clothes, and also in clothes, for example, hands. A person who has undergone a specific training course for a couple of years has the appropriate musculature, and the manner of communication is also visible.
  6. Boris Tomarov_2
    Boris Tomarov_2 16 February 2018 16: 02
    +1
    And what else can you expect from Bandera.
  7. Antares
    Antares 16 February 2018 23: 52
    0
    At the next meeting in Minsk on February 14, 2018, the Ukrainian side refused to discuss the second stage of the upcoming exchange of held persons, as well as the remaining issues on the agenda, having left the meeting of the working group on humanitarian issues without permission and without reason, thereby showing disrespect to all participants in the negotiation process,
    told Morozova.

    Since he was following some media outlets (in particular, this and that side) Morozova apparently does not want to remember when the ORDILO delegation last time left the meeting with the Russian delegation just as “unmotivated” because of Gerashchenko’s statement that Ukraine would negotiate only with the Russian Federation, not by people under her control. Just got up and left, showing disrespect to the participants. Similarly.
    And why Morozova didn’t specify .. It’s very strange for the Russian portal, because it was about Russian prisoners in Ukraine, they were again listed on the exchange (you can find a link to Medvechuk, he smooths the corners between Gerashchenko and Morozova - these "irreconcilable enemies "in the common cause)
    Ukraine will only exchange Russians for Ukrainians held captive by the Russian Federation (by the same “terrorists in court”) and they don’t intend to give ORDILO them.
    According to the Ukrainian media
    In particular, the DPR demands that Ukraine “urgently” release Russian citizens who were excluded from the exchange list. Separatists also demand the return of documents seized from the defendants of the previous exchange, as well as provide a report on the movement of criminal proceedings against these persons.
    In addition, the separatists are demanding that persons on their exchange list who last time refused to go to the DPR and prefer to stay in a Ukrainian prison should be immediately released.

    So be sharp corners be healthy.
    For example, I listened to the process itself from the inside, Gerashchenko told what difficulties she had to face in order for everything to happen. Starting from the President of Ukraine and the Russian Federation, ending with relatives and the prisoners themselves. A lot of obstacles. No wonder Medvechuk was connected and the first exchange took place. After all, the parties want too much only on their own terms and did not compromise. Only with the pressure of the OSCE and the Russian Federation (on one and on the second) is it possible to make exchanges.
    Exchanges are the same battle. The battle for the fate of people against all. Against Ukraine / RF / ORDILO / and others ...
    the fate and life of a particular person is at stake.