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The “worst” signal for Japan. He entered from the Russian Southern Kuriles

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At the Japanese premier, Shinzo Abe is being crushed: they say, how are we with the “northern territories”? And the prime minister is nervous. But Moscow, on the contrary, shows complete calm. And really: why worry?




Moscow, it seems, is in no hurry to resolve the issue of the Southern Kuriles, Bloomberg writes. Yes, the leaders of the two states, Japan and Russia, often meet, but the recent Russian military exercises held in the region say that Tokyo is unlikely to achieve the desired progress in the near future. Contrary to Shinzo Abe’s attempts to target Putin at the question of settling the “territorial dispute”, Russia continues to strengthen the military component on the islands. As a result, the Japanese authorities had to express an "official protest" after Russian troops conducted exercises in the "northern territories", notes "InoTV".

In addition, the Japanese do not like the fact that the Russians are going to open the first military base in the region in the “territories”.

But just recently, February 6, Russian and Japanese diplomats met to discuss Japanese-Russian projects to accelerate the economic development of the islands. And on February 7 in celebration of the “Day of the Northern Territories”, Prime Minister Abe promised that he and Putin would resolve the issue of the “abnormal” absence of a peace treaty.

And what if Mr. Abe fails to achieve a “settlement” of the issue? His reputation will perish. After all, he was the conductor of the idea of ​​"settlement".

Moscow is also unlucky: cooling from Tokyo would lead to the loss of quite possible Japanese investments. Moscow’s attempts to distance Tokyo from Washington would have failed.

The head of the Council on Foreign and Defense Policy of Russia, Fedor Lukyanov, comments on the situation in the following delicate way:

"The Japanese side had unrealistic ideas about a possible time frame for the implementation of their plans."


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In a word, wherever you throw, everywhere is a wedge. But already there was talk of a "breakthrough" in solving the Kuril "issue", almost about the close victory of Tokyo in the dispute over the "northern territories". About the "breakthrough" moments reported in public Abe himself. And where is his loud speech now?

But Abe and Putin met and "discussed" the corresponding question about two dozen times. And now analysts agree: these discussions were not very useful. At least for Japan. Tokyo was unable to bargain for anything. As noted, not without irony, Yasuhide Nakayama, head of the foreign affairs committee of the lower house of the Japanese parliament, “warm relations at the highest level” is good, but this “does not mean that they [Russian friends] will give the islands back.” According to the expert, the Russian military exercises gave Japan "the worst possible signal."

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  1. Spartanez300
    Spartanez300 16 February 2018 07: 34
    +29
    Break off with the islands, and the base must be opened there so that all Japanese hopes for these islands finally collapse.
    1. Vard
      Vard 16 February 2018 07: 37
      +3
      How does it itch ... By the way, there is an idea ... to lease Japan territory in the Far East ... for 99 years ... at one time it was a common practice ...
      1. jovanni
        jovanni 16 February 2018 07: 47
        +36
        Quote: Vard
        How does it itch ... By the way, there is an idea ... to lease Japan territory in the Far East ... for 99 years ... at one time it was a common practice ...

        Right! There was such a practice. There, Alaska, for example ...
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 16 February 2018 09: 05
          +5
          . Lukyanov: "The Japanese side has developed unrealistic ideas regarding the possible time frame for the implementation of their plans."

          That is, the plan itself is possible, did the Japanese make a mistake only in terms, according to the head of the Council on Foreign and Defense Policy of Russia?
          1. Lexus
            Lexus 16 February 2018 12: 54
            +10
            That is, the plan itself is possible, the Japanese made a mistake only in terms

            Each time, regular negotiations with the Japanese are presented as the greatest achievement of modern Russian politics. Although, remembering the "gifts" to other countries in the form of islands on the Amur, many thousands of square kilometers in the Bering and Barents Seas, the feeling that Japan's expectations are not unfounded does not leave.
        2. pafegosoff
          pafegosoff 16 February 2018 09: 19
          +6
          And Japan will retake the territory under American bases!
      2. zhekazs
        zhekazs 16 February 2018 07: 53
        +15
        Quote: Vard
        By the way, there is an idea ... to lease Japan territory in the Far East ... for 99 years

        Are you serious? Let China be leased. And US does not have excess land.
        1. insular
          insular 16 February 2018 08: 04
          +36
          Quote: zhekazs
          And US does not have excess land.

          Father Iturup, the city of Kurilsk (the largest and most prosperous, by the way)


          And this is almost the entire "city" (the largest, as I noted above) and this is almost the entire island.

          And so it’s all


          People live there.
          CONSTANTLY, not on duty but LIVING and not able to leave. In eternal exile, in eternal hard labor.
          Abandoned by the world and the Motherland.
          Even living on Sakhalin, you often suffer from limited mobility (30 minutes by car in any direction and you are by the sea), but after visiting the Kuril Islands, you understand that this is probably how the bears feel in the zoo and fish in the aquarium ... In a dirty zoo and not a cleaned aquarium ..

          PS There is no money, but we are holding on, but evil is not for you Dimon! to feed your carcass of crabs in the bay ...
          1. 89513026469
            89513026469 16 February 2018 08: 15
            +15
            And immediately on the mind Bulgakov and his Dog heart. Destruction, my friend, she’s not in closets, She’s in the minds
            1. insular
              insular 16 February 2018 08: 24
              +22
              Quote: 89513026469
              Destruction, my friend, she’s not in closets, She’s in the minds

              People came to explore the islands, work in the fields, and ... And then they forgot about them and the world collapsed with the country and 30 years old with a good dozen federal development programs, something like that develops ...
              Devastation, it’s in your head when you live in the middle of the forest and too lazy to take an ax and a saw to fix a barn. Living on a volcano island, where sedge and bamboo are higher and nothing grows, devastation - it is all around, no matter how carefully it was treated. Time erases even rocks in the sand.
              1. zhekazs
                zhekazs 16 February 2018 08: 35
                +9
                Quote: insular
                Living on a volcano island, where sedge and bamboo are higher and nothing grows

                So then it is so, everything is imported to the islands and the price tag from this flies to heaven. It’s clear that this is not Siberia; you won’t put a sawmill there. And to console the inhabitants, brace yourself, hold on, they say, this is stupid. They only hope for themselves, in fact, as elsewhere in Russia. Happened to be there. Yes, not very people live, there are problems, but they do not beggar. Who can - is under construction. The billionaire guber was planted, maybe the infrastructure is tightened.
                1. insular
                  insular 16 February 2018 08: 55
                  +8
                  Quote: zhekazs
                  Guber billionaire planted, maybe the infrastructure is tightened
                  In its place is now an even more terrible type.
                  And the rest - yes, they live as they can. As if there is a choice.
                  1. Non liberoid Russian
                    Non liberoid Russian 16 February 2018 09: 31
                    +11
                    the essence of your posts in short - down with Putin’s Medvedev and everything will be fine ... in short, another uncle on the topic will come another uncle and will do everything well ... if a person lives in such inhuman conditions as you sing here, then he likes or is amorphous .... if I wanted to change something - I would change, the main desire, there is a tool ... and everyone can blame the power for blaming all its problems, incapable of changing their own life
          2. zhekazs
            zhekazs 16 February 2018 08: 26
            +2
            You know, there are better views. And about Kurilska - the most prosperous - is doubtful. What about the UK?
          3. Ural resident
            Ural resident 16 February 2018 08: 41
            +18
            In our Urals, such pictures can be collected more. People also live.
            Someone does not want and cannot change something in his life. He can scold the authorities, drink vodka, but do not change anything, because his pathetic little mind can not figure out what and how. It’s like going to the neighboring villages, and you don’t see such a thing, the whole youth parted, who wanted to, who want something, live in cities, study, get married. Who did not want to, in the dachas metal drags from time to time. It’s in my head.
            1. insular
              insular 16 February 2018 09: 01
              +13
              Quote: A resident of the Urals
              In our Urals, such pictures can be collected more.

              It only says that you and yourself can’t imagine the conditions on the Kuril Islands. Even just the climate. Not to mention the remoteness and price tag for basic things, such as diapers or other hygiene products.
              Before the birth of a child, people in a container take everything they need to the proc, because it can happen that they find themselves in very long isolation from the world, especially in winter. And in the summer, storms are more the norm than something from the category of bad weather.
              People there do not live like that because they are lazy or thump, but because they don’t have any place and from which to do something.
              Quote: Resident of the Urals
              drink vodka, but do not change anything, because his pathetic little mind can not figure out what and how

              This can only be revealed by your little mind, but it is not necessary for the smokers to even suspect this, they do not relate to this either. I repeat, this is not a dying thumping village in the wilderness.
              Quote: Resident of the Urals
              It’s in my head.

              Here I agree ... And also in ignorance of what you are writing about, although this also applies to the head area.
              1. Ural resident
                Ural resident 16 February 2018 09: 15
                +8
                "Only your mind can reveal it."
                Mr. Insular do not stoop to insults of the opponent, I did not try to insult you. My phrase had nothing to do with the residents of the Kuril Islands, if you are talking about it, it was about those whom I personally encountered. As for the thumping people in our village - I can’t say anything more, because if once they were people, then vodka corroded everything. I sincerely tried to help some people get on their feet, get a job, but no, they don’t want to work, laziness, but to steal money from me - that’s please.
                As for my "little mind", I don’t have a complex here - I work as a team leader, who himself created and raised two generations of excellent leaders who now work with me, and also got out at one time as best he could and was unbearably hard.
                And looking at your photos of the Kuril Islands, on the contrary I am inclined to move there, I am already starting to look for a beautiful calm place to meet old age.
                1. insular
                  insular 16 February 2018 09: 57
                  +2
                  Then you should have thought how to formulate your thought so that it does not look like an insult to my fellow countrymen. Because from your words just this follows. And the current words seem to be an attempt to justify themselves, because what you wrote above does not fit in and what is now - what was it?
                  Well, about the move. That's when you move and live at least a year, then we'll talk. You don’t have to boast about your craving for quiet places in front of me, because the cleavage is not at all quiet places and you once again flashed the knowledge of the Motherland.
                  1. Ural resident
                    Ural resident 16 February 2018 10: 11
                    +8
                    I realized that arguing with you is pointless, and there is no time and desire.
                    I haven’t traveled all over my homeland yet. This is so. Regarding what I said above, I do not see the difference. I commented on your post with only one emotion - I do not like moaning about how everything is useless with us. The conclusion is what - to give to others? Why show it - I explained to you that they live like this almost everywhere, and judging by the photographs, everything is not bad there. There are worse places.
                  2. mari.inet
                    mari.inet 19 February 2018 16: 50
                    +3
                    Complaints with complaints, but is there Internet on the islands? You are online, upload photos. The goods, again according to your words, import containers. Apparently, there are also positive aspects of island life.
          4. Stas157
            Stas157 16 February 2018 09: 16
            +7
            Quote: insular

            PS There is no money, but we are holding on, but evil is not for you Dimon! to feed your carcass of crabs in the bay ...

            I fully share your feelings! But, I want to note, Dimon himself is nobody, he would never have been there if not for his protege ... Chubais, Gref, Kudrin, Serdyukov, Mutko would not have been ... But, you can try to correct this arbitrariness ! Friends, elections are coming soon, let's go and vote, you yourself know who!
            1. Nasrat
              Nasrat 16 February 2018 09: 31
              +1
              Quote: Stas157
              [Friends, elections are coming soon, let's go and vote, you yourself know who!


              FOR Putin? wassat

              Here, then finish with the election campaign ... As if "you know who" is not the same huckster as those in power now ... Yeah ... really believe in this "candidate"? If Yes - I feel sorry for you ..
              1. Stas157
                Stas157 16 February 2018 09: 59
                +4
                Quote: Nasr
                Here, then finish with the election campaign ...

                Who are you to tell me something?
                1. Nasrat
                  Nasrat 16 February 2018 10: 35
                  0
                  Quote: Stas157

                  Who are you to tell me something?


                  The voice of reason! bully
            2. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 16 February 2018 10: 01
              +3
              Quote: Stas157
              I fully share your feelings! But, I want to note, Dimon himself is nobody, he would never have been there if not for his protege ... Chubais, Gref, Kudrin, Serdyukov, Mutko would not have been ... But, you can try to correct this arbitrariness ! Friends, elections are coming soon, let's go and vote, you yourself know who!
              Well, since the USA and the EU screech and shit at Russia for Putin not following their lead, then in spite of the mattresses, let's go vote for GDP.
              1. Stas157
                Stas157 16 February 2018 10: 34
                +4
                Quote: Nyrobsky
                in spite of the mattresses let's go vote for GDP.

                Do you vote only in spite?
                1. Nyrobsky
                  Nyrobsky 16 February 2018 10: 44
                  +6
                  Quote: Stas157
                  Quote: Nyrobsky
                  in spite of the mattresses let's go vote for GDP.

                  Do you vote only in spite?
                  No not always. But here is situevina such that once the GDP has accumulated a bunch of babos in reserves, stocked up nearly 2 thousand tons of gold, strained the "partners" in the Middle East, then let the situation settle for the next 6 years. And then some “wise guy” will come, let all the reserves go, squander a little gold, break his forehead in bows to the mattresses and return the Crimea and the Kuril Islands to boot. They will forgive us all at once and who we will confront then, I don’t even know. No enemies, no babos, no work - hello to the new 90s!
            3. Piramidon
              Piramidon 16 February 2018 13: 33
              0
              Quote: Stas157
              Friends, elections are coming soon, let's go and vote, you yourself know who!

              And all the inhabitants will immediately settle in palaces with golden toilets, and the Kuril rivers will become dairy, with strawberry banks?
          5. pafegosoff
            pafegosoff 16 February 2018 09: 27
            +1
            From Moscow to Vladivostok, you can find larger settlements and no better ...
          6. AlexSM
            AlexSM 16 February 2018 12: 10
            0
            Google - photo of Kurilsk Iturup
      3. vlad66
        vlad66 16 February 2018 08: 54
        +8
        Quote: Vard
        lease Japan territory in the Far East ... for 99 years ...

        No Colleague hi let it be better that some kind of state is leased from the USA for at least 999 years. yes
      4. Warrior with machine gun
        Warrior with machine gun 16 February 2018 12: 35
        +2
        it’s enough to donate already, all the more so since these overpowered people don’t already see the difference between joint economic activity and territorial affiliation (what kind of dog business are they and where do we place on their territory), it’s better to lease for 99 years personalities from the leadership who have ideas that then pass in the bowler arrive.
      5. DimaMraak
        DimaMraak 17 February 2018 03: 15
        0
        Why rent? It is better to hold a referendum and be included in the Russian Federation. :)
    2. Herculesic
      Herculesic 16 February 2018 07: 38
      +2
      Let the fantastic film be released, and watch it more often! In the film, not only islands, but the whole planet will be called Japan, and on the planet there will be a small lost island in the ocean - ukroina! !! wassat
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood 16 February 2018 15: 31
        0
        They have a disaster film "The Death of Japan." The parody "Death of the whole world except Japan!" Was shot on it. lol
    3. Spartanez300
      Spartanez300 16 February 2018 07: 41
      +10
      Something I do not see discussions on the return of Russian royal gold that they, like the last jackals, stole from a dying empire.
      1. Warrior with machine gun
        Warrior with machine gun 16 February 2018 12: 37
        +2
        Yes, they only know how to take these, that they are "civilized" from the West, so that silence will return, unless God forbid we have to knock it out of them))
    4. BecmepH
      BecmepH 16 February 2018 07: 44
      +2
      Quote: Spartanez300
      Break off with the islands.

      I would not be so categorical. Unfortunately
    5. ul_vitalii
      ul_vitalii 16 February 2018 08: 01
      +7
      It will be like in Europe, but on our part, regular concerns and even signed assurances and promises will not help, they say they say that you did not understand us that way.
  2. Herculesic
    Herculesic 16 February 2018 07: 35
    +8
    Our interests, the interests of the state and people should be above the interests of the khanig! There is no contract, let's go ahead, it’s not critical! And let the Japanese islands fill themselves with new ones, or they will ask the Chinese! And we would build bases on YOUR islands! And they will say, according to Hokkaido they will receive!
    1. zhekazs
      zhekazs 16 February 2018 07: 57
      +2
      Quote: Herkulesich
      in Hokkaido will receive

      What for? Too close to our border, the wind will bring radiation. According to Tokyo, there are more of these individuals divorced.
      1. Non liberoid Russian
        Non liberoid Russian 16 February 2018 09: 35
        +2
        optional nuclear weapons, you can just from Ukraine to Hokkaido zapadentsev make, there quickly then the devastation and mountains of burning tires will appear
  3. oldseaman1957
    oldseaman1957 16 February 2018 07: 36
    +1
    But Abe and Putin met and "discussed" the corresponding issue about two dozen times.
    - Do not see the Japanese Kuril Islands, as their ears. And they are so sick ...
  4. Alex von Dorn
    Alex von Dorn 16 February 2018 07: 36
    +10
    Give the islands, so no volosts are in store. We will negotiate ... another 700 years. In the meantime, strengthen the defense of the islands, build a military base on them .... and smile in response to the Japanese.
  5. saltickov.
    saltickov. 16 February 2018 07: 37
    +1
    You don’t need to span another's land, but we won’t give up our tip, who forgot the words from the song.
    1. roskot
      roskot 16 February 2018 09: 44
      0
      Klim Voroshilov.
  6. bald
    bald 16 February 2018 07: 41
    +3
    First islands, then bases on them, and not only ours - allies. Like a reasonable people. (Or cunning ...).
  7. Hagalaz
    Hagalaz 16 February 2018 07: 42
    +9
    Ha! The return of the islands of Japan from the states can not be pulled out. This is not an argument at all.
    1. zhekazs
      zhekazs 16 February 2018 08: 02
      +1
      Quote: Hagalaz
      Return islands

      What return? Read the story and do not repeat other people's stamps. These islands were discovered by the Russians and belonged to the Republic of Ingushetia, until their rice-eaters chopped off.
      1. Hagalaz
        Hagalaz 16 February 2018 08: 17
        +1
        Read the article carefully. That paragraph, which refers to the loss of hope for investment and supposedly distancing Yapa from the states. I comment on this thought, not the islands.
        1. zhekazs
          zhekazs 16 February 2018 08: 21
          +2
          Sorry, but the eye cuts the phrase "return of the islands" and like a sickle ....
          And the government should invest in development from the budget, and it’s very nice that this is not done in sufficient quantities.
          1. Hagalaz
            Hagalaz 16 February 2018 08: 26
            +1
            I agree with you on all points.
  8. jovanni
    jovanni 16 February 2018 07: 45
    +3
    Which one did you smoke? Who smoked? Smoking is bad, gentlemen, the Japanese ...
    1. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 16 February 2018 08: 46
      +1
      Looks like the mattresses shared their harvest from Afghanistan, otherwise why would the yupps decide that Russia should ask them for permission to open a base on its territory? wassat
  9. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 16 February 2018 07: 47
    +5
    Would fail Moscow's attempts to alienate Tokyo from Washington.
    If such attempts are made, they will not end in anything. Even having surrendered the islands of Japan (hypothetically), Russia will not alienate it from the United States, but on the contrary, the Americans will turn it in their favor.
    1. zhekazs
      zhekazs 16 February 2018 08: 11
      +1
      Quote: rotmistr60
      If such attempts are made, they will not end in anything. Even giving the islands of Japan (hypothetically) Russia will not alienate it from the United States

      Here, too, we need to ask ourselves a question: do we need to move nipples away from amer? Let them vysalat and keep the celestial couple in tone. Does Japan buy gas from us? Buys. Economic relations are developing, let them pay and say what they want, we should have our own plans in them, the Kuril Islands are purely Russian land .... And Senka listens, but eats ...
  10. ramzes1776
    ramzes1776 16 February 2018 07: 47
    +12
    And who introduced sanctions against Russia? And American resolutions, again, against Russia, who supports? Uncle Vasya or Uncle Petya ??? And the American troops on whose territory are constantly located and against whom are they directed?
    That’s why horseradish (vegetable) is for you, not the island.
    1. zhekazs
      zhekazs 16 February 2018 08: 17
      +8
      Quote: ramzes1776
      That’s why horseradish (vegetable) is for you, not the island.

      Yes, these islands do not need the Japanese. They don’t particularly populate their northern island, it’s cold for them there, they are bunching up where it’s warmer, but it’s better for us - everything is in one place, beat, I don’t want to. The Amers need the islands to close the Pacific Fleet in Primorye, then only from Kamchatka will the exit remain.
      1. ramzes1776
        ramzes1776 16 February 2018 10: 51
        +3
        All right. They have been under occupation since 1945. This is American litter, what can you even talk about with them?
    2. madsollo
      madsollo 16 February 2018 08: 41
      +3
      In addition, Yapaf and Merikonosaf have an agreement on the deployment of bases on the territory of the former Samurai of striped_military bases ...
  11. asv96
    asv96 16 February 2018 07: 53
    +6
    I remember how the Japanese Sakhalin, the Russian genocide carried out, and even with such commercialism, all were selected. And heads chopped to civilians, did everything so that the remaining fled. Only let them go with rights to a foreign land, as locusts will spoil everything. How do they catch sturgeon off our shores. In short, this is still that nation.
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 16 February 2018 08: 48
      +1
      Too shy to ask, have you ever seen one Japanese in your life? Communicated?
  12. Oznob
    Oznob 16 February 2018 07: 57
    +6
    Japan is treated like an American litter. What is there to be surprised?
  13. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 16 February 2018 07: 58
    +5
    A fairly serious base is absolutely necessary there. And the airport on Iturup, with the possibility of basing combat aircraft laughing More ship parking, a workshop ... Well, everything else
  14. m.cempbell
    m.cempbell 16 February 2018 08: 02
    +2
    japan-roboobssky

    What's this? Oleg Chuvakin, a journalist must be literate!
    1. zhekazs
      zhekazs 16 February 2018 08: 40
      0
      Never mind. People hurry in a hurry to make us happy with news in the morning laughing laughing
    2. madsollo
      madsollo 16 February 2018 08: 43
      0
      fingers to sweat and slide off the button flew ... :)
  15. Vlad Morozov
    Vlad Morozov 16 February 2018 08: 04
    +3
    Until Tokyo begins to pursue an independent policy, they will always have problems with us! They lack independence. This country is under a tight cap in the United States!
  16. Kelwin
    Kelwin 16 February 2018 08: 05
    +3
    What kind of "signals" are there, sakura got smoked or something. They themselves perfectly understand why they will not receive any islands, who will give them the keys to the Sea of ​​Okhotsk ... DB (s) Lavrov
  17. Astsv
    Astsv 16 February 2018 08: 12
    +4
    I liked it very much: "Moscow will not be lucky either: cooling from Tokyo would lead to the loss of completely possible Japanese investments." There was no such investment, and it would not have been. Americans will not give. Yes, and cross-eyed consider us an inferior race. The Japs smile and talk about peace and friendship with their northern neighbor, while they themselves form full-fledged armed forces, which are prohibited by the Japanese constitution. American missile defense is deployed and all that. What kind of investments can we talk about if the "Japanese peace" is directed against Russia? And the islands are ours, including Hokkaido.
  18. Lantau
    Lantau 16 February 2018 08: 16
    +6
    Quote: rotmistr60
    Would fail Moscow's attempts to alienate Tokyo from Washington.
    If such attempts are made, they will not end in anything. Even having surrendered the islands of Japan (hypothetically), Russia will not alienate it from the United States, but on the contrary, the Americans will turn it in their favor.

    A few years ago, in the port of Nagoya, I had a chance to talk with the Japanese on this topic. You know, they all perfectly understand that no one will ever give the islands to them. And they understand this at the ordinary household level. And politicians understand this even better !!!
  19. sanja.grw
    sanja.grw 16 February 2018 08: 26
    +10
    Zhirik said, we can only give Hakamada to samurai
  20. Wedmak
    Wedmak 16 February 2018 08: 31
    +12
    In fact, the struggle is not for the islands, but for the adjacent water area. There is a great strait for the exit of our submarines. And if you give these 4 islands to the Japanese, this strait will be controlled by the Americans next week. It will just be clogged with hydrophones.
    It’s not Abe’s peace treaty, but the US’s desire to control our Pacific fleet. And especially the submarine fleet.
  21. Ural resident
    Ural resident 16 February 2018 08: 36
    +4
    And why was flirting, making some promises for the future, so they decided that the islands were in their pocket.
    It was hard to say right away, you’ll never get islands, you want to build relationships, let’s say no, no.
  22. Hariton laptev
    Hariton laptev 16 February 2018 08: 37
    +1
    let America buy even more weapons, build aircraft carriers, pass laws allowing self-defense forces to fight outside the state, and the issue of joint economic use of the islands will generally die. And the question of what would they pick up the islands in my opinion, and it’s not worth raising.
  23. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 16 February 2018 08: 38
    +1
    Any negotiations only after Tokyo removes US military bases from its territory! Although knowing our elite, territory mergers are likely.
  24. Alex-a832
    Alex-a832 16 February 2018 08: 41
    +1
    It is possible that for Abe these are prerequisites for early resignation, Washington will send him to the pot. The idea of ​​creating a base in the Kuril Islands is good. I would place missile defense systems, air defense systems and "Iskander" systems there, and their cover, to cross-suppress American bases on the Japanese islands. Placing nuclear weapons in the Kuril Islands is impractical. The personnel must be selected taking into account the fact that they are actually suicide bombers and they will know about it.
    1. Korax71
      Korax71 16 February 2018 10: 36
      0
      And I wouldn’t even mind if you headed this contingent laughing
      1. Alex-a832
        Alex-a832 16 February 2018 13: 06
        0
        And I do not mind, although not my profile and level.
  25. Vikxnumx
    Vikxnumx 16 February 2018 08: 47
    +1
    As Yasuhide Nakayama, head of the foreign affairs committee of the lower house of the Japanese parliament, noted with some irony, “warm relations at the highest level” is good, but that “does not mean that they [Russian friends] will give the islands back.”

    Gold words. Politician, but smart!
  26. g1washntwn
    g1washntwn 16 February 2018 08: 54
    0
    Investments must be well protected. For this, Russia is building its bases on its islands.
    And the Japanese are destined to protect their investments exclusively with American military bases, which in Russia cannot be put up by any means.
  27. Vanek
    Vanek 16 February 2018 09: 04
    +1
    Moscow’s attempts would have failed as well. put away Tokyo from Washington.

    Now, if only for good and for all ... Friends, if you think about it ... American from the country, in principle! .. Recognition of WWII results. ... Well, why not?

    No! I’m not saying that everything was abandoned and given away. No. In no case.

  28. Prisoner
    Prisoner 16 February 2018 09: 04
    0
    Let them worry about American bases on their land, and not ours on ours!
  29. Loess
    Loess 16 February 2018 09: 05
    0
    It seems to me, or are we going to change the Japanese prime minister in the next election?
  30. nikolaev
    nikolaev 16 February 2018 09: 07
    0
    It seems that the most realistic way to settle the Japanese in the Kuril Islands is to join Japan in Russia.
  31. solovald
    solovald 16 February 2018 09: 19
    +3
    But in the 90s, Yeltsin almost sold the South Kuril Islands for some 100 million dollars. Something there, the Japanese hesitated, did not fuss in time and the deal, fortunately, did not grow together.
  32. zivXP
    zivXP 16 February 2018 09: 24
    0
    Friendship is friendship, but of little tobacco, that is zemlya, apart
  33. K-50
    K-50 16 February 2018 09: 37
    +4
    The opinion of the vanquished for the winner is little e .. significant fact.
    What northern territories can you talk about before last century? The Yapps themselves attacked Russia, seized additional territories, and I doubt very much that they eventually wanted to return them. When the USSR / Russia did exactly the same, they began to recall that, according to an ancient treaty, this is their territory. What were you thinking when you attacked?
    So eat themselves brewed "porridge." Say thank you that Hokkaido was not taken away !!! fool angry
  34. Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 16 February 2018 09: 40
    +5
    I look here are some willing to hand out Russian land? It is not yours that you have acquired; it is not for you to give out. Although if someone wants to be cursed by all the people (like Yeltsin) - go ahead, try it.
  35. Bulrumeb
    Bulrumeb 16 February 2018 10: 04
    +3
    Moscow seems in no hurry to resolve the issue on the South Kuril Islands, Bloomberg writes.

    The issue on the South Kuril Islands is settled, and the fact that the japas decided to play back is completely their problem.
  36. Senior manager
    Senior manager 16 February 2018 10: 16
    +1
    The coolest thing in all discussions of the peace treaty and the Kuril Islands at the Military District is the complete absence from the discussion participants of any reliable information about what the leaders say during the meetings. Politics is an interesting thing, as is professional diplomacy. And on the mountain are the expected diploma results. What is the argument? It turns out naked vanging, but my grandmother will be more precise.
  37. alexmach
    alexmach 16 February 2018 10: 16
    +3
    Moscow is also unlucky: cooling from Tokyo would lead to the loss of quite possible Japanese investments. Moscow’s attempts to distance Tokyo from Washington would have failed.

    Yeah, now, tear off from Washington .. But what about! Just at a time when China is unprecedentedly building up its military capabilities. You are more likely to tear Florida from Washington.

    And they themselves were supported in their "delusions."
  38. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 16 February 2018 11: 26
    +2
    The Kuril Islands are exactly the same territory of Russia as any other, we do not sell our territory !!!

    And judging by the intentions of Japan, we must continue to further strengthen the defense of the Kuril Islands ...
  39. Antokha
    Antokha 16 February 2018 12: 06
    +3
    The Japanese just want the islands themselves. Everything else is chatter. Our islands, and will be ours. There is nothing to talk about. If you don’t want to sign the contract, don’t sign, we don’t care. You don’t even have to stutter about military bases, as long as you continue to be occupied by a country that has dropped atomic bombs on you, and you are worn out. And in any case, on our territory at least in every village we will have a military base.
  40. faterdom
    faterdom 16 February 2018 15: 57
    +4
    Moscow is also unlucky: cooling from Tokyo would lead to the loss of entirely possible Japanese investments.

    When will this mysterious religion about "investments" stop wandering around our expanses, including Iturup and Shikotan? It has long been ridiculous itself that the largest "investor" in Russia is Cyprus and the Virgin Islands, that is, scraps of money stolen from us. And to ban the import of Japanese cars and electronics - and who will be the first to clean it? We? I doubt it. And the taboo on the shipment of seafood to Japan to impose? Weak? After all, there is no peace treaty - so who do we feed our fish, scallops and crabs - enemies, it turns out?
  41. Mentat
    Mentat 16 February 2018 17: 29
    +1
    Quote: lexus
    Each time, regular negotiations with the Japanese are presented as the greatest achievement of modern Russian politics.

    Quote at least one media report in a similar vein. Does male self-esteem allow such a lie to rivet? Or?..
    I read your messages, and everywhere there is some search for negativity. What are you doing here, actually?
  42. Oleg Salov
    Oleg Salov 16 February 2018 20: 40
    +1
    And they hoped that we would give up the islands to the country occupied by the Americans, so that they could build their bases on them, that the lip-closing machine had deteriorated, we can fix it, that's all we can help the Japanese with.
  43. Ivanov IV
    Ivanov IV 16 February 2018 21: 28
    0
    It is unclear what kind of "bidding" Russian lands may be ?????
    Actually, this is a criminal liability. Or believe that the "authorities" the law is not written ????
    Why all this talk ........
  44. aleks.29ru
    aleks.29ru 16 February 2018 21: 59
    0
    Quote: A resident of the Urals
    I realized that arguing with you is pointless, and there is no time and desire.
    I haven’t traveled all over my homeland yet. This is so. Regarding what I said above, I do not see the difference. I commented on your post with only one emotion - I do not like moaning about how everything is useless with us. The conclusion is what - to give to others? Why show it - I explained to you that they live like this almost everywhere, and judging by the photographs, everything is not bad there. There are worse places.

    Someone and Zhmerynka abroad. Would you go to Europe somewhere. Do not get depressed upon returning.
  45. Anton Valerevich
    Anton Valerevich 17 February 2018 00: 05
    0
    And when will the United States return Alaska to Russia?
  46. valtom
    valtom 17 February 2018 10: 58
    +1
    the Japanese were asked, well, let’s give you the islands - where is the guarantee that your friendship with the Americans will not lead to the American base on this island, there is no guarantee for the answer. Yes, we were in a war and did not go to the Japs so that they should not crawl with the crazy idea of ​​returning the islands. Do not trash such talk of our dead grandfathers and great-grandfathers. Not a few resources of the former USSR were invested in the fish ecosystem; our military bases; access to the northern routes; in general, a lot of things. Japanese walk)))
  47. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 17 February 2018 11: 22
    0
    Japan with its technologies and capitals, the eastern neighbor (Russia) is more important than the United States. And their lack of desire to make political, economic and military rapprochement with Russia will leave the question of the northern territories unresolved forever. The military bases on the Kuril Islands and along the coast of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, about Kamchatka and Chukotka, I don’t say anything at all, you need to revive yesterday (as they say) and by leaps and bounds, not everything that was built during the Soviet era has been plundered! And there you look and the samurai will think, remember, samurai love the strong. And in Japan and on the islands visited, accounted for. Only the full will agree to give such wealth (even under conditions of sharing!) To a technologically more developed country.
  48. Vladimir SHajkin
    Vladimir SHajkin 19 February 2018 09: 08
    +1
    Our, too diplomatic behavior of "high" comrades - leaders, gives the right to the other side to behave this way.
    Our leaders should not agree and postpone the problem of the islands for the future. This problem was created by the Japanese with the support of the states. And we must clearly and clearly say: -
    - The islands will always remain our territory following the results of World War II (results), and if you do not want to conclude a peace treaty, we don’t need it no more than you need it.
  49. Lexxtech
    Lexxtech 20 February 2018 19: 37
    +1
    And why are these Japanese investments needed? To use another shaggy paw to upload them back to the jar banks, also pumping out resources?
  50. lex locis
    lex locis 21 February 2018 12: 05
    0
    As Yasuhide Nakayama, head of the foreign affairs committee of the lower house of the Japanese parliament, noted with some irony, “warm relations at the highest level” is good, but that “does not mean that they [Russian friends] will give the islands back.”

    Correctly !
    Friendship is friendship, but money apart!
    Everyone hopes that for patting on the shoulder, and for a glass of brandy, as in the case of "hunchback and EBN," you can bargain anything from the natives.
    The freebie ended.
    It is a pity that it was .....
    1. lance
      lance 22 February 2018 19: 14
      0
      the islands will not be returned, but judging by how the Russian Federation is reviving the bases, they are going to allow economic activity (Japanese Svalbard). but how many of us look at the Norwegians when something is needed (even under liberalists). as a result of 50 years we will receive the Baltic states in the east.