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What are the Israeli Air Force silent on? Hot meeting with the light version of the Russian air defense: in Europe they “feel”, and in Syria they “receive”

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ON THE HALOPING TENDENCY OF THE ADJUSTMENT OF THE OPERATIONAL STRATEGIC SITUATION ON WESTERN SUPPLIES TO RUSSIA

Through the thick veil of disturbing and sometimes tragic events that rolled on our people since February 2018, the scenario of the final round, the foundation of which was prepared by our overseas and Western European "partners" since 4 April 1946, when saved the world from fascism, begins to be more clearly seen superpower was immediately opposed to the largest in modern military stories military-political bloc - the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), which reformatted the post-war world into that field of pre-escalation and absurdity, which we have been seeing for 72 years. To date, the European command of the US Armed Forces and the Strategic Command of the NATO Joint Operations Operations (the latter includes the majority of the General Staff of the armies of the Western European member countries of the alliance) have almost completed the formation of shock fists in several operational areas, including the Black Sea, Baltic and Karelian. The main air components for conducting a strategic aerospace offensive operation against military industrial facilities and air defense systems of the Russian Aerospace Forces in the Southern and Western Military Districts today are:

- 52 tactical fighter air wing of the US Air Force; has experience of operational transfer from the German Spangdal airbase to the Polish Avb Redzikovo and is represented by a squadron of X-NUMX F-25C / D Block 16, as well as 50 Long-Range Radar Detection AN / TPS-2 Radar for more effective execution of tasks to achieve air superiority and control of tactical air situation; also specializes in the tasks of suppressing air defense and destroying strategic enemy ground targets using AGM-75E AARGM and AGM-88B JASSM-ER anti-radar missiles, respectively;

- 48 tactical fighter air wing of the United States Air Force in Leikenhes, represented by two squadrons of modernized tactical fighters F-15E "Strike Eagle", recently acquired the ability to use the same long-range air-to-ground missiles JASSM-ER and long adapted to the use of tactical missiles AGM-84H SLAM-ER, equipped with advanced anti-jamming IKGSN, using the correlation method of targeting ATA ("Atomatic Tagerting Acquisition"), characterized by increased noise immunity, which forces to saturate the maximum tank and motorized rifle units of new generation military self-propelled air defense systems and active defense systems, because the "equipment" SLAM-ER provides for the use of BAT sights that are aimed at;

- 2 tactical air wing of the Polish Air Force, consisting of 36 advanced F-16C Block 52 + and 12 two-seat advanced fighters of the same version as the F-16D Block 52 +, deployed simultaneously on 2 airbases (Poznan and Lask); in the first half of the 20-s, these machines will receive the AGN-70B extended-range AGM-158B cruise missiles from the United States Department of Defense for Military Cooperation (DSCA) extended-range military sales (FMS); in January 2017, the first versions of the JASSM with a range of 31 km were delivered to the 370 tactical air base in Poznan.

The above elements of NATO Combat Air Force are not the only components in this massive missile attack on our military, energy and industrial infrastructures. It also considers the deployment of American Arleigh Burke class URO destroyers, “charged” with RGM-109E “Tomahawk Block IV” ammunition, and also Ohio attack submarines - SSGN, equipped with 154 ammunition kits of Tomahawk strategic cruise missiles each. And this is described only by a small part of those air attack weapons that NATO’s Supreme Command can use in the event of an escalation of a regional conflict with Russia, because there is also the German Air Force, armed with the Typhoon multi-purpose fighters equipped with high-precision KEPD 350 cruise missiles TAURUS. The coming attempt of aggression from the North Atlantic alliance is also seen in the "pumping" of the Eastern European conditional theater of operations with ground-based antimissile defense systems for parrying the X-101 and 3М14К / T missiles from the Russian Navy and the Russian space forces.

The most embarrassing moment here is that, for example, the Romanian Ministry of Defense signed with the United States companies Raytheon and Lockheed Martin an 3,9 billion contract for the purchase of 7 antimissile systems Patriot PAC-3 and 168 of MIM-104F interceptor missiles as ammunition. These anti-aircraft guided missiles are equipped with an active radar homing head of the millimeter Ka-band, in connection with which the X-101 cruise missiles that have broken through into the airspace of NATO countries can be intercepted even outside the radio horizon; after all, the acquisition of target designation occurs not only from the battery command and control station, but also from third-party airborne early warning systems via radio link-16. In long-range anti-aircraft missiles 9М82МВ (С-300В4 complex) the implementation of work on over-the-horizon targets with third-party targeting is theoretically possible, but it has not been confirmed in practice, which can be said about the 9М96Е / Е2 missiles of С-XNUM.

HOW KHEL HAAVIR ON THE SYRIAN AIRCRAFT "WALKED" ...

If at the European theater of operations our defensive potential is only just being “probed” during the frequent reconnaissance flights of the “Global Hawks” and the strategic RER RC-135V / W “Rivet Joint” airplanes, giving the VKS command time to take countermeasures, then in the Middle East theater The aerospace forces of Russia and friendly units of the Syrian army are tested for capacity in crisis situations "in full", and not with the help of reconnaissance tools, but with aggressive force methods. One of these incidents is the recent massive missile launch.aviation the Israeli Air Force’s strike (Hel Haavir) against strategically important facilities of the Syrian Arab Army (including the T4 airbase, on which the Iranian UAV air wing was deployed, which at one time took part in the optoelectronic reconnaissance of IS units), Hezbollah units, as well as on the objects of the Corps of Guards of the Islamic Revolution.

This is not the first air strike operation of the Israeli tactical fighters F-16I "Sufa" and F-15I "Ra'am" against the government forces of Syria and the IRGC units deployed to fight the pseudo-caliphate, because in the summer of 2016, during the International Herzliya Conference, The head of Israel's military intelligence, Major General Herzi Halevi, pointed to the indisputable advantages for Tel Aviv from the actions of ISIS in Syria, while any of the most combat-ready Iranian and pro-Iranian forces (IRGC and Hezbollah) only accelerated the fall of the ISIS enclaves. Despite the fact that there were no massive missile strikes on Israeli territory with Fatech-110 and Fatech-313 missiles by the IRGC in Syria, Tel Aviv was the first to resort to and is resorting to the tactics of provocative strikes, and this time seriously miscalculated.

In response to the alleged violation of Israel’s northern air border by an Iranian UAV that was shot down by an Apache attack helicopter Khel Haavir 10 in February, two links of the Sufa F-16I (8) multipurpose fighter jets reached the frontiers of the missile launch on targets in Syria beyond standard sly tactics (using the airspace above the ridges of Anti-Lebanon), and brazenly invading Syrian airspace near Damascus and Palmyra. Obviously, the calculation was made on the fact that the canal of divisional radar tracking and guidance systems of the Buk-М1 / 2Е, С-125 and Pechora-2М, С-200 and Pantsir-С1 systems will be critically overloaded by several dozen launched with F-16I high-precision medium suspension weapons, and the process of “setting up trails of targets - capture” in the literal sense of the word “will fall” against the background of the work of EW complexes installed on “Sufah”. As a result, Israeli pilots had expected complete demoralization calculations Syrian air defense system, expecting that the indicators of radar illumination 9S35M1 / 2, CHP-125M, 5N62V and 1RS2-1E "helmet" instead purposes markers will be visible only antinalozheniya and glare from postanavlivaemyh EW interference fighters. But later it turned out that they were very wrong!

Apparently, feeling that they were masters of the situation in the Syrian sky, the pilots of the Israeli F-16I “Sufa” decided not to adhere to the main rule of air operations of the 21st century over the areas with advanced A2 / AD anti-missile zones - low-altitude flights following the terrain. It is possible that such a decision was made due to fears of falling into the ranges of the Syrian anti-aircraft artillery and MANPADS (the lesson of 20 in November of 1983 of the year was recalled, when Kfir C.2 was intercepted by anti-aircraft artillery complex). This time, the Israelis fully entrusted their fate to the SPJ-40 "Elisra" onboard REP and personal protection complex, the SPS-3000 modern irradiation warning station (SPO), and the PAWS-2 infrared attack missile detection system, which should detect the launch of most types of missiles by radiation from torches burning solid propellant or liquid charges. Naturally, the direction finding range of the launched missile by means of PAWS-2 (photo below) depends mainly on the thrust and radiation of its engine.


Sensors of the detection complex of the attacking Elisra PAWS-2 missiles of the right hemisphere at the South Korean FA-50 UBS


As evidenced by numerous Syrian and Israeli sources, one of the vehicles was intercepted after the completion of the first massive missile-air strike (MRAU). The impact of a powerful high-explosive fragmentation warhead fell on the rear hemisphere of the F-16I (on the overtaking course), at the time of leaving the Syrian airspace (above the Golan). And, relying on numerous photographs of eyewitnesses, which depicted the “burned out” accelerating stages of the 5В27 anti-aircraft missiles and fragments of the 3М9 SAM, the destruction of the fighter was carried out with either the upgraded Pechora-125 C-2 anti-aircraft missile complex “Pechora-XNUMX”, or the complex, or the complex, or the complex of the Pechora-XNUMX anti-aircraft missiles. "Square").

The use of the C-200B is also confirmed, since the central segment of the 5ВХNUMX anti-aircraft missile was also detected on the ground, but the “Sufa” was hit by one of the above-mentioned complexes, as it was able to overcome even more 28 km with a much lower survivability than twin engine in F-100I. The 15В5 anti-aircraft missile is equipped with the most powerful 28-kilogram high-explosive fragmentation warhead with 217-degree 120 expansion angle of damaging elements, which completely riddled the nacelle and the entire F-37000I “Sufa” glider, to convert the Xdumx “Sufa”, to turn out the brass, to go to the’s pilots already in the area of ​​kibbutz Harduf. Obviously, either the 16-kilogram warhead of the 72В5 interceptor missile (Pechora-27 complex) or the 2-kilogram 57H3 anti-aircraft missile 12М3 (military Cube) complex exploded next to the fighter.

An even more interesting detail of what happened in the sky over the western part of the province of Damascus is that the Israeli F-16I was intercepted not at the extreme boundary of the “Pechora” or “Cuba” radii in 15 - 23 km, but at a distance from 8 to 12 km, since the follow-up course (given that the missiles are not so fast: 2М for 3М9 and 2,3М for 5В27) only such a range of destruction could be achieved. Consequently, favorable conditions have developed for the onboard PAWS-2 missile detection complex: the torch of the launching anti-aircraft missile could be detected literally instantly, but the efficiency of the IR sensors left much to be desired. The SPS-3000 radiation warning station, which either failed to notify the F-16I crew of their fighter's capture by means of the Pechora or Kuba radar, demonstrated complete incapacity, or the missile was guided according to an optical-electronic reticle in a passive mode, without giving SPS-3000 the opportunity to entrust the fact of fire work of the complex.

As you can see, there are complex technological problems of the airborne defense complex (BS) of the F-16I Sufa fighters, which led to the crew’s failure to fulfill an advance anti-missile maneuver. Representatives of the Israeli funds tried to carefully circumvent the sharp corners in this situation, saying that the wrong configuration of the use of on-board electronic warfare equipment during the first air strike was to blame. But how could the most technologically advanced and experienced air force in the region allow this to happen? After all, the development of tactics for the breakthrough of air defense weapons at Hel Haavir has been going on since the operation to destroy the Iraqi Ozirak nuclear reactor; Moreover, before the recent operation in Hel Haavir were well aware of the structure and technological qualities of the updated air defense system of Syria. But this is not the most interesting.

During the first massive missile and air strike on military targets in the Syrian Arab Republic, the F-16I “Sufa” Hel Haavir units used at least 26 air-to-surface tactical missiles with an effective reflective surface within 0,05 м2. And, despite the fact that the Elisra SPJ-40 electronic countermeasures complexes onboard the F-16I were probably activated, the Syrian air and missile defenses were able to destroy the 19 of them. Here, all merits can be safely attributed to the Pantsir-S1 anti-aircraft missile and artillery complexes covering the “dead zones” of the Pechora and Kvadratov. These systems, equipped not only with X-band 1PC2-1 “Helmet” radars, but also with 10ES1-E infrared and television sight ranges using self-contained optical-electronic modules, can destroy enemy’s high-precision weapons with EPR up to 0,01 - 0,02 square. even in the most complicated jamming installation (when using EW EA-18G “Growler” ew airplanes, etc.). It is not difficult to guess what the F-16I tactical fighters are expecting in a collision with the more formidable C-300В4 type air defense systems.

Information sources:
https://militarizm.livejournal.com/120630.html
http://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/4948918
http://forum.militaryparitet.com/viewtopic.php?id=19532
http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/c200/c200.shtml
http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/pechora_2/pechora_2.shtml
http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/kub/kub.shtml
http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-558.html
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  1. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 16 February 2018 06: 29
    +51
    from the article I understood: CUBE, PECHORA-well, F-16i-bad ...
    1. Titsen
      Titsen 16 February 2018 06: 55
      +29
      Quote: Andrew Y.
      from the article I understood: CUBE, PECHORA-well, F-16i-bad ...


      Well, why is it bad.

      Not bad, but VERY BAD!
      1. gennady.kazak
        gennady.kazak 16 February 2018 12: 19
        +21
        If the F 16 were bad fighters, then they would have been shot down by all 8. These are not the worst Syrian air defense operators.
        1. zalex
          zalex 16 February 2018 13: 42
          +9
          It just wasn’t such a task.
          1. Ilya_Nsk
            Ilya_Nsk 22 February 2018 06: 48
            +5
            So, bro, but when a combat aircraft with a combat load enters airspace and does not respond correctly to a friend / foe request, the air defense actions should be unambiguous and not require the order of the commander-in-chief for destruction ...
            1. dustycat
              dustycat 22 March 2018 22: 37
              +5
              Quote: Ilya_Nsk
              Soh, bro, but when ...

              .... at least 26 air-to-ground products fly into your forehead, you don’t care for those 8 targets hanging in the far zone.
              And the automation of complexes is all the more so - they automatically work for self-defense and extinguish the most threatening goals.
              And only then, when the dust from the most threatening targets on the indicators dissipates a little, they will also automatically occlude all other targets located where it is supposed only to correctly respond to a personal request.
              And then who did not hide, the Cube is not to blame.
        2. PVOSV
          PVOSV 16 February 2018 13: 51
          +21
          said like a god.
          and these 8 were included in the affected area of ​​air defense systems?
          one definitely came in and out, but the rest are in doubt.
          1. Alexander Borisov
            Alexander Borisov 18 February 2018 21: 22
            +3
            According to the author of the publication, they entered, but under the guise of electronic warfare systems, but apparently not for long, because The F-16 was hit by a missile after it.
        3. Kryukov
          Kryukov 16 February 2018 14: 12
          +9
          At one time 13 drones were easily shot down. It would be just as easy to defend the air defense with all f-16s - it just wasn’t such a task.
          1. Lenivets2
            Lenivets2 16 February 2018 21: 05
            +6
            Easy knocked down? belay
            Maybe all the same there EW tried ?! wink
            1. Kryukov
              Kryukov 17 February 2018 05: 55
              +2
              May be so.
          2. Arikkhab
            Arikkhab 18 February 2018 15: 22
            +1
            If the task did not stand, then why was it at all necessary to spend anti-aircraft missiles?
            And yet ... Maybe Syria’s air defense did not try very hard since Assad’s Iran’s efforts in Syria are not very happy, I guess?
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        5. Natalia777
          Natalia777 16 February 2018 16: 30
          +16
          Enough for the first time. If they do not stop, they will lose all their F16.
          1. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 16 February 2018 16: 46
            +6
            Quote: Natalia777
            Enough for the first time. If they do not stop, they will lose all their F16.

            We'll see.
            1. WapentakeLokki
              WapentakeLokki 16 February 2018 19: 47
              +29
              You are really curious to see: will Syrian air defense be knocked down by your guys on the Battle Falcons? Until now, the Israeli Air Force has always dealt with weakened or no air defense of all former and potential opponents, but times are changing, but you Israelis . And in order to understand this, you need to ditch (or not) a couple of your guys.? Are you ready to risk the lives of others (but your compatriots) or faith in protecting your patron there in heaven will cover his descendants from air defense missiles? However, it’s all dumb, no?
              1. Aaron Zawi
                Aaron Zawi 16 February 2018 22: 19
                +6
                Quote: WapentakeLokki
                To this day, the Israeli Air Force has always dealt with weakened or no air defense of all former and potential opponents, but times are changing, but you Israelis are not.

                In the 1982 year, it was a bad air defense against us?
                1. Redfox3k
                  Redfox3k 16 February 2018 23: 54
                  +8
                  In 1982, there was a different way of thinking, it was believed that the enemy would go head-on and at high altitude.
                2. bayard
                  bayard 17 February 2018 00: 34
                  +33
                  As far as I heard from open sources, in addition to one F-16 officially shot down, there were two more F-16s and one F-15 damaged. Therefore, it is clear that the sons of the covenant had to be hot there, given that air defense at the same time destroyed another 19 missiles, which were clearly more priority objectives in that situation.
                  And in 1982, Syrian air defense was not bad, but geography was against them (Lebanon mountains) and the absence of AWACS aircraft, which Israel did have.
                  The high quality of the Israeli Air Force and the training of pilots only emphasize the quality of modern air defense of Syria, which has achieved such impressive results. And I would not want to discuss at this forum the quality of Israeli air defense, reflecting the missile attacks of Syria and Iran. Excerpts and reason to all of us.
                  1. Arikkhab
                    Arikkhab 18 February 2018 15: 27
                    +6
                    So far, “19 shot down by the Kyrgyz Republic” is purely Syrian data, which sometimes suffer from ... let's say “inaccuracies”
                    Yes, and data about "almost another 3 Israeli aircraft shot down" also require confirmation
                    1. Ilya_Nsk
                      Ilya_Nsk 22 February 2018 06: 52
                      0
                      The Syrians reported about the American KR’s hits at their air base, but where did the Jews shoot?
                    2. Senior manager
                      Senior manager 29 October 2018 05: 23
                      0
                      Quote: ArikKhab
                      this is purely Syrian data, which sometimes suffer from ... let's say "inaccuracies"

                      During the war, the rules of information counteraction apply. Who will tell you the truth - losses are underestimated, victories are overstated, in multiples. Only the headquarters know the real picture, and we can only compose on the couch according to different sources with varying degrees of probability.
            2. Stiletto_711
              Stiletto_711 17 February 2018 01: 38
              +6
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              We'll see.


              Well, let's see, see hi
              1. Shteffan
                Shteffan 17 February 2018 10: 21
                +4
                we will see. laughing
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            4. Maz
              Maz 20 February 2018 22: 41
              +1
              Yeah. Already looked. Sit and be silent. Not even rocking the Israeli Air Force. But Lebanon perked up on this news, and even threatened to war ...
          2. user1212
            user1212 17 February 2018 08: 37
            +8
            Quote: Natalia777
            Enough for the first time. If they do not stop, they will lose all their F16.

            No. Syria has no funds for this.
            There is no reason to doubt that anyone at the headquarters of the Israeli Air Force is responsible for this failure. Now they will be more careful. The Syrians cannot organize any "answer". While for Israel these raids are almost "free" nothing has changed. One lost F16 can be attributed to a misunderstanding.
            1. Foxmara
              Foxmara 18 February 2018 07: 15
              +3
              Quote: user1212
              While for Israel these raids are almost "free" nothing has changed. One lost F16 can be attributed to a misunderstanding.

              And two high-class pilots can also be written off. One at all, one is still not clear how. And this is only confirmed, if Tel Aviv can hide, then it will hide the losses. soldier
              1. omit
                omit 18 February 2018 20: 04
                +2
                Foxmara
                "And the two upscale pilots can also be written off."

                Israeli Air Force pilot who was seriously injured while ejecting from an F-16 combat aircraft shot down by a Syrian missile was discharged from the hospital
                The Rambam in Haifa. Doctors are confident that his health will be fully restored. The navigator of the same plane, who was slightly injured and undergoing treatment in the same hospital, was discharged last week.
              2. indy424
                indy424 20 February 2018 20: 31
                0
                in Israel, all names can be verified. and you won’t shut the throats to the meters. unlike the order in one country where all losses were classified. apparently because they are not there.
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          3. Rostislav
            Rostislav 17 February 2018 08: 52
            +16
            Erroneous thought. It is necessary to beat so as not to tease, but to reason.
            As my coach taught, the block must be placed so that the striker’s arm breaks.
            1. Foxmara
              Foxmara 18 February 2018 07: 20
              +6
              Israel has no options, they always play on an increasing basis in the coolest guy in the BV. So the attacks will be repeated. And, I hope the casualties among the aggressors will increase. Until a complete understanding of hopelessness. "The horse is certainly a pity," but it was Tel Aviv’s policy in support of the terrorists that led to this state, it’s their own fault.
              1. Arikkhab
                Arikkhab 18 February 2018 15: 34
                +5
                Weird logic
                for some reason, in the Russian Federation they are not happy about NATO’s eastward expansion — that is, to the Russian-Ukrainian border. and this despite the fact that at least in words of NATO does not set the task of total destruction of the Russian Federation
                when it comes to BV and Iran’s entry to the border of Israel (despite the fact that Iran’s state doctrine speaks of the destruction of Israel as a state), why do you read that Israel should be idle?
                1. TLT163
                  TLT163 24 February 2018 11: 43
                  +8
                  Can you tell me how many missile strikes Russia has already inflicted on NATO facilities in response to the approach of the alliance to its borders?
                2. Foxmara
                  Foxmara 25 September 2018 21: 47
                  +1
                  Before the flyers of Israel lost their shores, Russia was still listening to the arguments of Israel. And it canceled two transactions for the supply of air defense systems and to Syria and Iran.
                  Israel, which easily violates all laws and regulations of even the UN Security Council, is largely to blame for the general "dislike". And seeing how he also lies ...
                  Although the USSR saved its protégés from defeat, it was still against the attack on Israel. You may have noticed that not a single one is guilty, but not even sympathizing with the chosen people. On the contrary, they are scorching - we and your S-300 will destroy. Note that the Russian Federation did not launch rockets in Israel, but I almost want to. If they also treat Iran, Syria, etc. as neighbors, I begin to understand them.
          4. smith7
            smith7 17 February 2018 16: 03
            +8
            Underestimate the enemy - already lose the battle by half. Jews are cool warriors and their weapons, no less high-quality, they are very good. Next time they will be adjusted and all F16 will work on the Syrian targets for a solid five. Unless, of course, the Syrians come up with a "new one" ...
            1. kerosene
              kerosene 18 February 2018 15: 49
              +3
              But how did these “cool warriors” crap in the second Lebanese in 2006?
            2. Alexander Borisov
              Alexander Borisov 18 February 2018 21: 28
              +4
              Judging by this clash, the Syrians are also learning something.
          5. Arikkhab
            Arikkhab 18 February 2018 15: 24
            0
            And before that, air defense did not exist in Syria and Lebanon? Was Egypt Unarmed? Or just yesterday, the last horse of the “Syrian Express” brought the S-200 and Pechora?
    2. AntiFREEZ
      AntiFREEZ 16 February 2018 07: 43
      +20
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      from the article I understood: CUBE, PECHORA-well, F-16i-bad ...

      Well ... this is Damantsev request
    3. Bongo
      Bongo 16 February 2018 07: 51
      +37
      Quote: Andrew Y.
      from the article I understood: CUBE, PECHORA-well, F-16i-bad ...

      Only Evgeny once again does not understand what he writes:
      As a result, Israeli pilots were waiting for the complete demoralization of the calculations of the Syrian air defense missile system, expecting that on the indicators radar illumination 9C35М1 / 2, CHP-125M, 5Н62В, as well as 1PC2-1Е “Helmet” instead of target markers will only see anti-attachments and glare from emitter fighters installed by means of EW.

      Are there "target illumination stations", but "radars"? request In addition, I would like to ask the author what he was going to "highlight" with the help of CHP-125? wassat Very much in the publication is written "for volume", and is based on speculation. Minus, definitely! negative
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 16 February 2018 08: 33
        +16
        Quote: Bongo
        In addition, I would like to ask the author what he was going to "highlight" with the help of CHP-125?

        Like what? What glows in the radar beam. For me, too, shock, highlight the target of a rocket with a radio command guidance system.
        1. Bongo
          Bongo 16 February 2018 08: 45
          +10
          Quote: Amurets
          Like what? What glows in the radar beam. For me, too, shock, highlight the target of a rocket with a radio command guidance system.

          Nikolay, did you read this? The current state of the Syrian Arab Republic air defense system
          Written in May 2016, but nothing better for the Syrians.
          1. Amurets
            Amurets 16 February 2018 09: 14
            +9
            Quote: Bongo
            Nikolai, did you read this? The current state of the air defense system of the Syrian Arab Republic

            Of course. The main thing is that electronics can still work somehow. Recently, a Temp-3 working TV set in 1962, a museum exhibit, was thrown into a landfill. But here is the fuel, fuel and oxidizer tanks, solid fuel, mixed or powder bombs, it must be suicide to use such missiles. No one will guarantee that it will not explode on the launch pad, fly to where the hell directs, or the start squib or biscuits work correctly.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 16 February 2018 09: 54
              +14
              Quote: Amurets
              But here is the fuel, fuel and oxidizer tanks, solid fuel, mixed or powder bombs, it must be suicide to use such missiles. No one will guarantee that it will not explode on the launch pad, fly to where the hell directs, or the start squib or biscuits work correctly.

              This is all largely depends on the correct maintenance of the missiles, on the exact performance of the required maintenance. And even if we have big problems with this (judging by UAS and ATGM), then you should not count on a more thorough attitude of the Syrians.
              1. Bongo
                Bongo 16 February 2018 10: 04
                +12
                Quote: Spade
                This is all largely depends on the correct maintenance of the missiles, on the exact performance of the required maintenance. And even if we have big problems with this (judging by UAS and ATGM), then you should not count on a more thorough attitude of the Syrians.

                Well, not only in the service and then the case. For missiles there is a guaranteed shelf life and restrictions on being in the "hot mode". After being installed on the “guns” and staying there for a certain time, rockets with rocket engines must be dismantled in the technical division without fail, with fuel and oxidizer draining and mandatory neutralization of tanks and pipelines. The number of such operations for the service life of missiles is strictly limited. With solid fuel easier, well, they have a limit on the time spent in a hot state. In addition, do not forget that solid rocket fuel changes its properties with time. After developing a warranty period of storage, the likelihood that the missile system will fail after launch will sharply increase.
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 16 February 2018 10: 23
                  +13
                  Quote: Bongo
                  Well, not only maintenance and maintenance. For missiles there are guaranteed storage periods and restrictions on being in the "hot mode".

                  This is service and maintenance.
                  I generally like the American attitude towards this. They do not rely on their military 8))). Too lazy to look for specific names, for example, they have a device in the KHP “Helfaerov”, which is essentially an electronic form. And such "resource" things, such as, for example, the time spent by the TPK on the control panel or the time spent by the TPK on the control panel of a flying helicopter, is automatically recorded in the device memory.
                  1. Bongo
                    Bongo 16 February 2018 10: 32
                    +18
                    Quote: Spade
                    This is service and maintenance.

                    I do not know how things are with the ATGM, but it is simply dangerous to exploit old anti-aircraft missiles. And no "service and maintenance" will help here. By the way, on the updated missiles for the "Pechera-2M" the missiles were completely moved, with the replacement of the equipment and the fuel charge.
      2. PVOSV
        PVOSV 16 February 2018 15: 05
        +9
        in Bukovskaya radar 9S35M1 there is a transmitter "P" / Highlight / but it does not have a receiving system and indicators)))
        there is also a transmitter "O" / Overview /, here on its indicators one could observe
        anti-overlay and glare from jammed fighter jammed by electronic warfare
        wassat
        the author should tighten knowledge or not write lol
    4. g1washntwn
      g1washntwn 16 February 2018 07: 59
      +22
      You see what you want to see. And the point is that even outdated air defense systems when working in a modern combat network pose a significant threat to the attackers and this will now have to be taken into account.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 16 February 2018 09: 46
        +19
        Quote: g1washntwn
        And the point is that even outdated air defense systems when working in a modern combat network pose a significant threat to attackers

        Obsolete complexes are a significant threat primarily for those who use them.
    5. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 16 February 2018 10: 34
      +18
      Quote: Andrew Y.
      from the article I understood: CUBE, PECHORA-well, F-16i-bad ...

      However, something didn’t work for us.

      On the morning of February 16, the Israeli media published the results of an investigation conducted by an IDF special commission on establishing the causes of the crash of the F-16 fighter about a week ago.
      As emphasized in reports on this topic, and, in particular, on the portal of the Tenth ITV Channel, an Israeli military plane was shot down by an outdated Syrian air defense missile, protection against which is provided for by the design and combat capabilities of the F-16.
      The Air Force command has already recognized that this is a serious technical malfunction ("takala"), the reasons for which should be thoroughly investigated. "Combat losses during hostilities are inevitable, but the incident in the sky over Syria should not have ended with the crash of the aircraft," military experts.





      1. avt
        avt 16 February 2018 11: 51
        +22
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        However, something didn’t work for us.

        Insolent and overbearing. We decided to save on air flights and ran into. We drove the previous raids and carried out this one according to the old pattern. If the weakened Syrian air defense could not do anything to the full with a serious electronic warfare and a change in tactics. So it was still easy to get off - they turned one airplane into scrap metal. In fact, the condition of the Syrian air defense was not their merit, but your cant.
      2. Maz
        Maz 20 February 2018 22: 43
        0
        Now Israel will even blow into the water.
    6. Absurdidat
      Absurdidat 16 February 2018 10: 42
      +19
      Right now, Jews will run into their combat sofas, they will fix everything in comments.
      1. Lex.
        Lex. 16 February 2018 12: 31
        +28
        Right now, Jews will run into their combat sofas, they will fix everything in comments.
        And you mean sit on a combat chair)))
        Jews for 30 years one plane you lost in Syria how many airplanes and helicopters, as they say whose cow would moo
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        2. uhu189
          uhu189 16 February 2018 16: 05
          +19
          So, like Israel, it doesn’t have attack planes, and it doesn’t use F-16 for attacking, everything is somehow more dropping missiles over Lebanon and planning bombs, and helicopters are very limited. Yes, and the intensity of departures a little incomparable, is not it?
          1. Arikkhab
            Arikkhab 18 February 2018 15: 39
            0
            "the intensity of departures a little incomparable" ???
            This is how to compare ... If it’s possible on the Air Force, then it’s possible, but if on a plane / pilot then this is another question
            1. uhu189
              uhu189 19 February 2018 09: 59
              +2
              Well, as it were, if the Air Force in Syria from 30 to 60 does sorties per day, and so does it every day. Is the Israeli air force so often flying in combat? I think it’s unlikely
        3. APASUS
          APASUS 16 February 2018 16: 21
          +14
          Quote: Lex.
          Jews for 30 years one plane you lost in Syria how many airplanes and helicopters, as they say whose cow would moo

          What is the reason for this period in 30 years? Have you all these 30 years waged war with Syria?
          If you wanted to compare, it is required to compare the flying hours rather than a year of peaceful life. Or, it is simply more convenient for you to lower the loss of 50 aircraft in two days, from 9 to 11 June 1982
          1. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 16 February 2018 16: 50
            +8
            Quote: APASUS

            What is the reason for this period in 30 years? Have you all these 30 years waged war with Syria?
            If you wanted to compare, it is required to compare the flying hours rather than a year of peaceful life. Or, it is simply more convenient for you to lower the loss of 50 aircraft in two days, from 9 to 11 June 1982
            Firstly, in the last 6 years, our Air Force carried out 200 attacks in Syria.
            As for the 82 of the year, even General Yashkin did not tell such tales. laughing
            1. APASUS
              APASUS 16 February 2018 17: 07
              +7
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              Firstly, in the last 6 years, our Air Force carried out 200 attacks in Syria.

              Opa, for 6 years, 200 attacks, and then for 30 years ...................
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              As for the 82 of the year, even General Yashkin did not tell such tales.

              Who would doubt, but I never. 30 years, it was specifically indicated who is recognized
            2. Mih1974
              Mih1974 16 February 2018 21: 23
              +4
              You are so smart, yes, who told you this? tongue
              And now take the statistics of your “raids” for 30 years for three years (pun intended) and compare them with the statistics of military missions of the airborne forces in Syria over these couple of years fool . Well, what do you get there. And do not forget to add that Turkey is simply a miracle and God's will for the downing of our plane am the desert was not burned by a nuclear flame.
              1. Shahno
                Shahno 16 February 2018 21: 31
                +14
                Guys, your VKS worked on gangs. And ours are against regular forces. Feel the difference.
                1. Mih1974
                  Mih1974 16 February 2018 21: 34
                  +14
                  If ours worked on regular troops, victory would be even faster. fool . What is easier: a) to destroy the barmalei hiding among the civilians and villages, b) regular troops that are visible very well, are located only in certain places and generally try to move away from the settlements so that they wouldn’t catch a strike on them? Or why do you think that we would not have enough technology or the mind to cut out any air defense?
                  1. Shahno
                    Shahno 16 February 2018 21: 38
                    +6
                    For some reason I think that the losses would be more than 2_3 machines versus properly organized air defense work. Well this is not a single MANPADS ...
                    1. Mih1974
                      Mih1974 16 February 2018 21: 41
                      +16
                      Your reconnaissance and "drain" from the Merikas allows you to "see" the entire air defense of Syria, you also have a lot of weapons "far hand". Well, why the hell did you climb under the air defense, it’s not a storm to storm in low clouds! They beat them on static objects, ran into belmes, especially since the S-400 didn’t drive you. So ask questions to your command.
                  2. Arikkhab
                    Arikkhab 18 February 2018 15: 44
                    0
                    How many planes lost in the war 08-08-08 until they "cut out the air defense?"
                2. Blackgrifon
                  Blackgrifon 16 February 2018 22: 21
                  +5
                  Quote: Shahno
                  Guys, your VKS worked on gangs. And ours are against regular forces. Feel the difference.

                  Interesting gangs: either the Jordanian fighter will be shot down, then the Syrian ...
                  By the way, attacks on the Syrians by the Israeli Air Force usually come from Lebanese airspace.
                3. Setrac
                  Setrac 16 February 2018 22: 45
                  +3
                  Quote: Shahno
                  Guys, your VKS worked on gangs. And ours are against regular forces. Feel the difference.

                  Our VKS have experience in Georgian and Ukrainian conflicts.
                  1. lelikas
                    lelikas 17 February 2018 21: 48
                    +2
                    Quote: Setrac
                    Quote: Shahno
                    Guys, your VKS worked on gangs. And ours are against regular forces. Feel the difference.

                    Our VKS have experience in Georgian and Ukrainian conflicts.

                    And as practice shows, he never taught anything ...
                    Cover the Su-24 fighter - the Turks wouldn’t have shot it down ... Shoot the "Rook" traps - there would be one less hero, but he would be whole and alive.
                    So, because of the saving of pennies, we are losing people.
              2. Arikkhab
                Arikkhab 18 February 2018 15: 42
                +1
                And the Russian Aerospace Forces in Syria are working in the face of counteraction at least some sort of overwhelming air defense system?
            3. Varna
              Varna 16 February 2018 23: 43
              +15
              Quote: Aaron Zawi
              Quote: APASUS

              What is the reason for this period in 30 years? Have you all these 30 years waged war with Syria?
              If you wanted to compare, it is required to compare the flying hours rather than a year of peaceful life. Or, it is simply more convenient for you to lower the loss of 50 aircraft in two days, from 9 to 11 June 1982
              Firstly, in the last 6 years, our Air Force carried out 200 attacks in Syria.
              As for the 82 of the year, even General Yashkin did not tell such tales. laughing

              Over the past 6 years, the Israeli air force has carried out 200 attacks on the territory of a neighboring, sovereign state.
              Thank you for confirming Israel’s aggressiveness and predation
          2. A. Privalov
            A. Privalov 16 February 2018 19: 34
            +7
            Quote: APASUS
            Quote: Lex.
            Jews for 30 years one plane you lost in Syria how many airplanes and helicopters, as they say whose cow would moo

            What is the reason for this period in 30 years? Have you all these 30 years waged war with Syria?
            If you wanted to compare, it is required to compare the flying hours rather than a year of peaceful life. Or, it is simply more convenient for you to lower the loss of 50 aircraft in two days, from 9 to 11 June 1982

            If my sclerosis does not change me, on the days you mentioned, Operation Medvedka 19 was conducted to destroy the Syrian forces and air defense forces stationed in Lebanon.
            7 — 11 June 1982, in the sky over Lebanon, a series of air battles broke out between the Syrian and Israeli Air Force combat aircraft. On both sides, about 350 aircraft took part. According to the participants of the events, in separate fragments of battles at the same time participated in 120 — 200 combat vehicles. In total, the Syrian air force has, by various estimates, lost 78 — 82 of the MiG-21, MiG-23 and Su-22 aircraft. The Israelis had no casualties.
            1. Mih1974
              Mih1974 16 February 2018 21: 37
              +13
              I’m more and more beginning to understand "not lovers of God's chosen people" am . They praise the fact that in an aggressive war he killed those who are less technologically unattainable than you - this is not even a shame. It is an abomination and not worthy of a man. Ugh on you.
              PySy: poorly add what and how you shot down so many outdated aircraft so that others would "appreciate your valor"? am
              1. Shahno
                Shahno 16 February 2018 21: 44
                +11
                With valor we are in order. And we never touched those who are weaker .... But those who dare to threaten us, if these men were responsible for their words, they should be strong, if they dare. Or don't blather at all.
                1. Mih1974
                  Mih1974 16 February 2018 21: 51
                  +19
                  Yes? And now to treat, equip those who cut their heads and cuts and eats the heart of a person to children? Who bombards the Syrian regular waxes that kill the Barmels?
                  Maybe the details of the "Deir Yassin Massacre" will tell us here? And then I myself can post photos of your Gestapo am
                  1. Aaron Zawi
                    Aaron Zawi 16 February 2018 22: 22
                    +6
                    Quote: Mih1974

                    Maybe the details of the "Deir Yassin Massacre" will tell us here? And then I myself can post photos of your Gestapo am

                    Well, compared with the assault on Komsomolsky, the assault on Deir Yassin is just post-shoot.
                    1. Soho
                      Soho 20 February 2018 07: 41
                      +4
                      yes, tell me about the assault on Komsomolsky. Start with what you were there and saw with your own eyes. Balabol
                  2. Arikkhab
                    Arikkhab 18 February 2018 15: 50
                    0
                    They treat those whom the "blue helmets" are picked up under the safety fence and brought. And neither one nor the other has documents
                    We’re also treating Syrian children - yesterday we brought 2 buses from the Assad-controlled settlements to our hospital. They discussed, took pictures and CTs, delivered vaccines, gave medicines. So every month
                2. Setrac
                  Setrac 16 February 2018 22: 48
                  +13
                  Quote: Shahno
                  Or don't blather at all.

                  Oooooh, how you sang !!! Are you blathering under the Germans or not? Have already forgotten how you were saved from the Nazis, decided to understand what it feels like to be a Nazi?
                  1. Aaron Zawi
                    Aaron Zawi 16 February 2018 23: 45
                    +4
                    Quote: Setrac
                    Quote: Shahno
                    Or don't blather at all.

                    Oooooh, how you sang !!! Are you blathering under the Germans or not? Have already forgotten how you were saved from the Nazis, decided to understand what it feels like to be a Nazi?

                    Did someone specially save us?
                    1. Setrac
                      Setrac 16 February 2018 23: 51
                      +9
                      Quote: Aron Zaavi
                      Did someone specially save us?

                      They saved everyone for the company! Come on, tell us how you "did not ask to save you." Tell us how it feels to be a real Aryan race against the native Syrians and other Arabs.
                      1. Aaron Zawi
                        Aaron Zawi 17 February 2018 00: 15
                        +3
                        Quote: Setrac
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        Did someone specially save us?

                        They saved everyone for the company! Come on, tell us how you "did not ask to save you." Tell us how it feels to be a real Aryan race against the native Syrians and other Arabs.

                        And no one else fought with the Nazis? Well, there are British and Kazakhs, Armenians and Canadians, Americans and Georgians, Jews and Poles, they did not fight with the Nazis? And you can first of all fought for yourself?
                    2. maxud1978
                      maxud1978 27 March 2018 14: 44
                      +2
                      HISTORY: Frankfurt am Main, a city bus ... a company of 5-6 such young Turks sits and quite loudly discusses the demographic situation in Germany ... they say "and in such a city there are already so many hundreds of thousands, and in such-and-such, "," yes there are already several million of us here! how cool we are to populate this Germany! yes, we will soon survive all Germans from here! ", etc. ... the bus is approaching a stop, it gets up from its place grandmother ... such a typical German grandmother - a cane in her hands, neat clothes, gray hair laid in her hair, strict features of l Itza, blue eyes ...
                      grandmother moves to the exit, stops on the way near the company of the Turks and calmly says so: "And once in Germany there were 6 million Jews ...". The bus stops, grandmother gets out ... CURTAIN ...
                      PS Turks, judging by their appearance, did not understand what the old lady meant ... probably they didn’t know the story ...

                      the more I know the "God-chosen", the more I like this "joke" ...
                3. Varna
                  Varna 16 February 2018 23: 49
                  +17
                  Quote: Shahno
                  With valor we are in order. And we never touched those who are weaker .... But those who dare to threaten us, if these men were responsible for their words, they should be strong, if they dare. Or don't blather at all.

                  They always touched, always and everyone, especially the unfortunate Lebanon, there was such a completely calm country - but then an aggressive predator, Israel, appeared at hand and that was the end of the prosperous little Lebanon.
                  The Jews hastily then invented a theory, they say, the Lebanese themselves shot themselves - well, we do not believe these tales - we saw such in reality - they say, we burned ourselves ...
                  1. ZVO
                    ZVO 18 February 2018 10: 23
                    +4
                    Quote: Varna
                    Quote: Shahno
                    With valor we are in order. And we never touched those who are weaker .... But those who dare to threaten us, if these men were responsible for their words, they should be strong, if they dare. Or don't blather at all.

                    They always touched, always and everyone, especially the unfortunate Lebanon, there was such a completely calm country - but then an aggressive predator appeared - Israel, and that was the end of the prosperous little Lebanon .....


                    Well are you all lying then?
                    Lebanon yes. was once a calm country, when it was 70% Christian.
                    Until his Christian generosity allowed Arafat refugeeswho subsequently began to Islamize secular-Christian Lebanon.
                    Which began to steal, rob, kill local residents. those who sheltered them.
                    Which then plunged Lebanon into the abyss of civil war.
                    It is all these countries in the form of Syria, Jordan, and Iran that have fueled the war in Lebanon.
                    It was by their forces that hundreds of thousands of Lebanese Christians were massacred.
                    Families with children.

                    Arabs - very cowardly on the one hand and very bloodthirsty on the other.
                    They never remember good.
                    Never.
                    1. Varna
                      Varna 18 February 2018 16: 44
                      +6
                      Quote: ZVO
                      Quote: Varna
                      Quote: Shahno
                      With valor we are in order. And we never touched those who are weaker .... But those who dare to threaten us, if these men were responsible for their words, they should be strong, if they dare. Or don't blather at all.

                      They always touched, always and everyone, especially the unfortunate Lebanon, there was such a completely calm country - but then an aggressive predator appeared - Israel, and that was the end of the prosperous little Lebanon .....


                      Well are you all lying then?
                      Lebanon yes. was once a calm country, when it was 70% Christian.
                      Until his Christian generosity allowed Arafat refugeeswho subsequently began to Islamize secular-Christian Lebanon.
                      Which began to steal, rob, kill local residents. those who sheltered them.
                      Which then plunged Lebanon into the abyss of civil war.
                      It is all these countries in the form of Syria, Jordan, and Iran that have fueled the war in Lebanon.
                      It was by their forces that hundreds of thousands of Lebanese Christians were massacred.
                      Families with children.

                      Arabs - very cowardly on the one hand and very bloodthirsty on the other.
                      They never remember good.
                      Never.

                      I understand that you Jews are blindfolded, and you are engaged in classical self-deception: Israel is bombing Syria - this is right and good; Syria snarls - this is badly wrong; Arabs kill Jewish soldiers - occupiers - these are Arab terrorists; Jews are killing British occupying troops — these are certainly not Jews — terrorists, but freedom fighters.
                      Thus, smart, in general Jews, right now, in the 21st century, completely lost their memory, and they completely do not remember the root cause of the appearance of those, as you expressly called them - Arafat refugees - Arabs of the Palestinian flood with machine guns. So, please, confirm the myth of the Jewish quew of the Jews, and try to guess at least three times about the root cause of all the blood in the Middle East, starting from the thirties and especially beautifully continued from the fifties. Well, come on, you have three attempts)))
                  2. Arikkhab
                    Arikkhab 18 February 2018 15: 52
                    0
                    You have a little history. Until the "Palestine Liberation Front" escaped to Lebanon from Jordan, it was calm there.
                    1. ZVO
                      ZVO 18 February 2018 16: 25
                      0
                      Quote: ArikKhab
                      You have a little history. Until the "Palestine Liberation Front" escaped to Lebanon from Jordan, it was calm there.


                      We add that, they expelled him from Jordan, because there they "so nukurolesili". have done so many evil deeds ...
                      And Jordan after those times tried to never get closer to the Arab world.
                      For clearly saw what Hamas, Hezbollah. Fatah and other Yasser Arafat.
                    2. Varna
                      Varna 18 February 2018 17: 19
                      +3
                      Quote: ArikKhab
                      You have a little history. Until the "Palestine Liberation Front" escaped to Lebanon from Jordan, it was calm there.


                      My story may not be very; but you’re self-deceived - on a 6 on a five-point scale already now, and what will happen in a couple of generations of Jews, I’m even afraid to imagine ...
                      I understand that they don’t teach this at a kibbut school, but still, maybe you are in the know - where did the “Palestine Liberation Front” come from?
                      Purely from the name it is clear that this is some kind of front, and it is called upon to free something from someone, isn't it? So from whom? What is the root cause? That’s the whole point, right?
                      Of course, you can step back and say so. : We are right, because we want to eat (crossed out), because we lived here two thousand years ago already two thousand years. Well, and the Arabs who live here two thousand years after you? No, but the Canaanites, who, if they suddenly appear, will say: did we even live here four thousand years ago?


                      In the form of Hochma, I would have to write a good idea to the Palestinians: we take ten million Arabs and urgently repaints as Canaanites - but try to prove that we are not Canaanites, we think so.
                      And your Jewish theory about the birthright on this earth-krantets.
                      What are you going to do then? Is that a good idea? And don’t say that Islam forbids the Arabs to do this - I will be ten million Canaanites who profess Islam - a terrible dream of any Jew.

                      To separate the grains from the chaff, I will write - that I do not care - that the Arabs, the Jews - you are all alike. It’s just that you, Jews, have already got here and everywhere with your trolling, explicit work for the Jewish state uncle (visible with the naked eye) and continuous harassment in Russian. sites.
                      What are you doing here, it's Russian. site, if you want to chat - let's; but you already got it with your stalk about everything Russian and Russian, what other attitude to you you still want - of course only negative, you managed to get everyone.

                      The meeting of my acquaintance Omar, as if I will convey the idea of ​​ten million Canaanites - Muslims. He had to escape from Aleppo, he just hates the Jews - let him pass this idea to the Arabs - what if it works? It will be fun to feel like a demiurge, it would be necessary to document the idea, what if the dough can be cut down later?)))
                      1. ZVO
                        ZVO 18 February 2018 22: 02
                        +1
                        [Quote] With my story, maybe not very; but you’re self-deceived - on a 6 on a five-point scale already now, and what will happen in a couple of generations of Jews, I’m even afraid to imagine ...
                        I understand that they don’t teach this at a kibbut school, but still, maybe you are in the know - where did the “Palestine Liberation Front” come from? [/ quote]


                        Well, yes, you have not only a problem history. you also have self-esteem problems .. And with those conclusions. which you do.

                        OOP - invented only in 1964.
                        And not a single Palestinian was in it at first.

                        After 2 wars unleashed precisely on the part of the Arabs ... and in which our compatriots were also tamed with them.
                        Arabs are just stupid.
                        Arab is not a warrior, he is a plowman.
                        Vicious, cruel, but cowardly.
                        Remembering no good.
                        For he lives only by fatwas, he worships them.
                        They will say they will burn the wife, they will burn them, they will betray a friend to betray.
                        For the imam is above all for him.
                        [/ Quote]


                        [quote] To separate the grains from the chaff, I will write - that I do not care - that the Arabs, the Jews - you are all alike. It’s just that you, Jews, have already got here and everywhere with your trolling, explicit work for the Jewish state uncle (visible with the naked eye) and continuous harassment in Russian. sites.
                        What are you doing here, it's Russian. site, if you want to chat - let's; but you got already with your stalk about everything Russian and Russian, what other attitude to you do you still want - of course only negative, you managed to get everyone. [/ quote]


                        Hey, I actually live in Togliatti. A mixture of Russian and Tatar ...
                        Do you know. almost 300 thousand Tatars live here in the Samara region.
                        So people are mixed up.
                        And there are no Jews in my family.
                        And there wasn’t.
                        For I know my clan for at least 5 generations.
                        But I respect Jews for deeds, for love of the motherland.
                        That in the army everyone serves on a general basis, but does not pay for 35-40 thousand rubles. That they truly love their homeland and everyone carrying a gun shoots at any criminal, and does not hide away.
                        There is a real life force in them that we are losing.
                        Including because of people like you.
                        Soap is that you blame everyone else for our problems, you also suffer from hatred.
                        You always emphasize that you are the master in Moldova - so do not bother people in your country to be masters.
                        And then after all, you can be declared in your Moldova through some prism of time and propaganda - an enemy ...
            2. bayard
              bayard 17 February 2018 00: 58
              +7
              It sounds like a summary of the Ukrainian information bureau - "there are no losses."
              Of course they were, and of course not as significant as those of the Syrians, for they walked in the sky of Lebanon - beyond the mountains, where land radars do not see. That is, combat coverage of the air situation after the defeat of the radar In Lebanon itself was none. The Syrians did not have AWACS aircraft either. And among the Israelites the Hokai hung in shifts.
              Nevertheless, there were losses. Only who recognizes them is such a tradition.
            3. APASUS
              APASUS 17 February 2018 22: 34
              0
              Quote: A. Privalov
              If my sclerosis doesn’t fail me, the operation “Medvedka 19” was performed on the days you mentioned

              You are absolutely right, but let not open your sources, these are just air defense instructors.
        4. Vlad.by
          Vlad.by 16 February 2018 17: 20
          +21
          And, excuse me, did a lot of Israeli ISIS attack planes carry out?
          Where do you lose them - from around the corner you shoot at someone who is really busy with business and does not expect any tricks.
          What you do in Syria is not called otherwise.
          But you, too, will then beat yourself in the chest, that ISIS won ...
          1. Shahno
            Shahno 16 February 2018 22: 07
            +8
            These bastards made an unspoken peace with us. Because our resources to combat partisanism know ... If they raise their hands, they will lose their heads. Yes, I'm sorry. But the safety of our citizens is more important.
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        5. 11 black
          11 black 16 February 2018 17: 28
          +7
          Quote: Lex.
          Jews for 30 years one plane you lost in Syria how many airplanes and helicopters, as they say whose cow would moo

          Well ... if we have a base the size of Israel ... winked
          And if we lost the first plane (Su-24) by no means according to the miscalculation of the MO, then the fall of the Su-25, unfortunately, raises questions. The fall of carrier-based aircraft raises even more questions, here you are right.
          Regarding carrier-based aviation, it’s certainly "not their merit, but our joint ..."
        6. Redfox3k
          Redfox3k 17 February 2018 00: 01
          +17
          For two years, the aerospace forces in Syria made 31000 sorties / sorties, almost all over the enemy. And the Jews will make a single, well, sometimes group, launch of a rocket / control. bombs at a safe distance and back ... heroes!
          1. Arikkhab
            Arikkhab 18 February 2018 15: 54
            0
            It's good that ISIS does not have air defense
        7. sentaniel
          sentaniel 17 February 2018 19: 21
          +2
          Far from alone. Just one recognized only.
        8. Nikolai Grek
          Nikolai Grek 17 February 2018 23: 07
          +8
          Quote: Lex.
          Jews for 30 years one plane you lost in Syria how many airplanes and helicopters, as they say whose cow would moo

          well, you don’t fight the terrorists, but make vile attacks on those who cannot give a serious response due to certain circumstances ..... at the same time they managed to lose the plane !!! request request so whose cow would mumble, and yours would be silent !!! negative negative negative negative negative negative
        9. Maz
          Maz 20 February 2018 22: 44
          +1
          Duck is not over yet. Everything passes. Everything has changed - says the loss of the “Sufi”. It infuriates you, but nowhere to go.
    7. Kryukov
      Kryukov 19 February 2018 05: 53
      +1
      I understood correctly.
    8. Maz
      Maz 20 February 2018 23: 00
      +1
      As I understand it, not only the pilots are scared and will get trendeley. Nitanyagu immediately called the GDP. Lavrov put his word in. Apparently gentlemen will now sit on golan and not show off, at least a month will have to lick their wounds and frantically look for flaws. Good luck. As I understand it, as long as there are no victims, the Zahal will not calm down. Well, we are waiting for the usual popular arrogance. Lieberman over there, nearly drove into the attack.
  2. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 16 February 2018 07: 13
    +5
    Syria sky at the castle))))
    1. mac789
      mac789 16 February 2018 08: 19
      +9
      Maybe I'm confusing something, but one shot down f16 had several destroyed Syrian air defense objects. So that they develop and develop it.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 16 February 2018 08: 33
        +5
        That was sarcasm
      2. q75agent
        q75agent 16 February 2018 09: 19
        +29
        Of course you confuse WHERE THE PICTURES OF DESTROYED OBJECTS OF THE SYRIAN AIRCRAFT ???? less need to read any citizens with nicknames like "Professor Krasnodar" and the like, they are 5 I am a column on the VO website
        1. Bongo
          Bongo 16 February 2018 09: 47
          +7
          Quote: q75agent
          Of course you confuse WHERE THE PICTURES OF DESTROYED OBJECTS OF THE SYRIAN AIRCRAFT ???? less need to read any citizens with nicknames like "Professor Krasnodar" and the like, they are 5 I am a column on the VO website

          These shots will appear on the network after updating Google Earth, which happens about once every six months.
          Well, from the past, please:

          1. shans2
            shans2 16 February 2018 09: 56
            +18
            yourself not funny? in the picture S-75, they have not been working for a long time among Syrians), it was possible to dig up a lot of these starting from the 13th year, when airfields were captured by various gangs such as ISIS, alkaids and other NATO, Israel and Saudi proxies
            1. Bongo
              Bongo 16 February 2018 10: 06
              +8
              Quote: shans2
              most funny? in the picture С-75, they are not working for Syrians for a long time)

              And how much are you willing to bet that this is not so?
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        2. ZVO
          ZVO 16 February 2018 15: 20
          +8
          Quote: q75agent
          Of course you confuse WHERE THE PICTURES OF DESTROYED OBJECTS OF THE SYRIAN AIRCRAFT ???? less need to read any citizens with nicknames like "Professor Krasnodar" and the like, they are 5 I am a column on the VO website


          Read about it ...
          https://topwar.ru/95268-sovremennoe-sostoyanie-si
          stemy-pvo-siriyskoy-arabskoy-respubliki.html
          Well, that would generally understand at least something truly thematic other than propaganda of hatred and racism ...
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        3. Varna
          Varna 17 February 2018 00: 00
          +18
          Quote: q75agent
          Of course you confuse WHERE THE PICTURES OF DESTROYED OBJECTS OF THE SYRIAN AIRCRAFT ???? less need to read any citizens with nicknames like "Professor Krasnodar" and the like, they are 5 I am a column on the VO website

          A small correction: they are professor, karish, zeyevi, a tramp, and squinting under the retarded halts - no fifth column. - But just gentlemen at work - a small, pleasant business - to crap for money on Russian-language sites - to convince everyone of the superiority of Jewish weapons, economics, education, politics.
          Why for the money -? Well, which one will do it for free. Why is it clear that this is a job? This is clearly seen from instant answers filled with photographs, videos, detailed documents - that is, with everything that an ordinary person cannot have at hand - it is clear that an archive with the necessary facts for all occasions is used - pre-prepared and handed to these people, and rather, I think - it’s just one and the same person - because why keep a lot of staff.
          1. Shahno
            Shahno 17 February 2018 22: 23
            +3
            That is, all the clones and virtual reality? Fine. Where are you being treated? Solipsism is not very good for health.
            1. Varna
              Varna 18 February 2018 17: 31
              +3
              Quote: Shahno
              That is, all the clones and virtual reality? Fine. Where are you being treated? Solipsism is not very good for health.

              No, not all - some, for example, like you, do it on their own and free of charge (out of kindness of soul - there are still some places, sometimes not far-off Jews)).
              The final and complete dominance of Jewish trolls on this site freaked me out, it’s just disgusting to read; it became especially bad after the permission to change the flag on nickname - it’s funny how a man with the nickname Krasnodar or ZVO is fried for Jews and Israel. - this is just the limit. , VO stinks with might and main.
              The only one to which there are no complaints is Warrior Wow - and most of all the nicknames (all, Russian and non-Russian) are just Jewish bots and trolls (with rare intersperses of Azerbaijani, Armenian and Iranian).
              1. aiden
                aiden 19 February 2018 02: 13
                +5
                VO turned into a garbage dump for a long time; many sensible experts left this place. And among the administrators there is a Jewish lobby. There, the campaign is a representative of the God-chosen, which produces Jewish trolls. I’m not going to Jewish sites and I’m not trolling anyone there. And these here as a magnet pulls.
              2. ZVO
                ZVO 19 February 2018 08: 55
                0
                Quote: Varna

                The final and complete dominance of Jewish trolls on this site freaked me out, it’s just disgusting to read; it became especially bad after the permission to change the flag on nickname - it’s funny how a man with the nickname Krasnodar or ZVO is fried for Jews and Israel. - this is just the limit. , VO stinks with might and main ..


                And I am pissed off by Moldavians who teach Russian life.
                Isn't it strange, right?
                you live in your own Moldavia - and live, why are you on the Russian forum?
                Your Moldavia will turn into Romania in 3 years.
                What are you going to do here?
                Get out

                I am Russian, and without changing the flag on the forum.
                And yes. I, in some cases, on the side of the Jews.
                Because I like their attitude to their army, their attitude to their homelands.
                All this, I no longer see in my house.
                One hatred. lulling, and blaming everyone around for our troubles.

                I’ve been at least 4 years on the forum, have been banned several times.
                M, I never did trolling.
                It’s just that you, racists and anti-Semites, have rushed to this forum in the past 4 years in thousands.
                You have turned a thematic technical site into a collection of idiots and anti-Semites.
                There are a couple dozen Jews.
                Protecting Jews from your ridiculous attacks - a dozen more.

                And there are thousands of anti-Semites and racists and Natsiks.

                Think about it.
                And go to the Moldavian forum. And there drink the screw and bastard.
                It is Russian. And do not you blame me for trolling and bots.
                A demon flying on the wings of the night. pancake...
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              3. Shahno
                Shahno 19 February 2018 20: 00
                +1
                Do not be offended, Varna. I’m one of those who are insulted by the power ... And you still want to be deceived by a Jew. Do you want to defeat me. Do not annoy and will not be left without pants at a personal meeting ...
                1. Varna
                  Varna 23 February 2018 20: 08
                  +1
                  [quote = Shahno] Do not be offended, Varna. I’m one of those for whom the state is insulting ... And you still want to be deceived by a Jew. Do you want to defeat me. Do not annoy and will not be left without pants in person ... [/ quote
                  laugh again, thanks))))
                  And where are you going to take off my pants? In Ashdod, I will no longer appear, and in the zone de conflict you yourself will not be banned. So we will die, not knowing each other))))))))))
          2. Antares
            Antares 18 February 2018 15: 20
            +1
            Quote: Varna
            to crap for money on Russian-language sites - to convince everyone of the superiority of Jewish weapons, economics, education, politics

            all who usually disagree on grants from the State Department have Ukrainian citizenship, cookies, etc.
            and the Jews at VO- who are trying to argue with the couch generals in an argument-do it exclusively for money ... laughing
            funny ..
            although it is not without meaning-Sisyphus labor, either because of the nature of stubborn / stubborn or for the sake of interest ...
            they believe in evolution .. I still believe in negative selection.
            but knowing IN a long time ago-Jews, it has long been millionaires wassat
            1. Varna
              Varna 18 February 2018 17: 40
              +1
              Quote: Antares
              Quote: Varna
              to crap for money on Russian-language sites - to convince everyone of the superiority of Jewish weapons, economics, education, politics

              all who usually disagree on grants from the State Department have Ukrainian citizenship, cookies, etc.
              and the Jews at VO- who are trying to argue with the couch generals in an argument-do it exclusively for money ... laughing
              funny ..
              although it is not without meaning-Sisyphus labor, either because of the nature of stubborn / stubborn or for the sake of interest ...
              they believe in evolution .. I still believe in negative selection.
              but knowing IN a long time ago-Jews, it has long been millionaires wassat

              Yes, yes, of course, Antares, with his supposedly Ukrainian origin, emphasized by Ukrainians on the same list ...
              Enough, a man named professor pretends to be: characteristic turns of speech and characteristic causticism betray you: it's arguable to argue, it's funny, this delicate banter about evolution and negative selection - that's all, that's enough, it's time for management to change frames, you can already see a mile away ...
            2. aiden
              aiden 19 February 2018 02: 15
              +2
              There is only one representative of the Jewish state reasoning adequately and reasonably, I don’t remember his nickname, but on the avatar a bat
      3. Mar.Tirah
        Mar.Tirah 16 February 2018 12: 37
        +18
        The article says. Out of 26 Israeli cruise missiles, 19 were intercepted. Exactly air-to-ground cruise missiles launched outside the country's airspace were the main objectives of the Syrian anti-aircraft gunners. Thus, when repelling attacks by cruise missiles from Israel, Syrian air defense demonstrated effectiveness. close to 0,8. To repel the attacks, the Syrian Armed Forces used the S-200 and Buk air defense systems and the Pantsir-S air defense system. Add F-16 here. Do you think the result is bad?
        1. bane's jacket
          bane's jacket 16 February 2018 12: 40
          +15
          Quote: Mar. Tira
          The article says. Out of 26 Israeli cruise missiles, 19 were intercepted. Exactly air-to-ground cruise missiles launched outside the country's airspace were the main objectives of the Syrian anti-aircraft gunners. Thus, when repelling attacks by cruise missiles from Israel, Syrian air defense demonstrated effectiveness. close to 0,8. To repel the attacks, the Syrian Armed Forces used the S-200 and Buk air defense systems and the Pantsir-S air defense system. Add F-16 here. Do you think the result is bad?

          “Doctor, my 86-year-old neighbor says he can have a wife three times a night.”
          - And you say.
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          2. Every
            Every 16 February 2018 15: 09
            +5
            Those. You want to say that this information is false? All 26 missiles reached the goal, and all air defense systems were useless?
            Where is the proof?
            Or the only evidence that all missiles reached their targets is this:
            bane's jacket Today, 12:40 ↑
            “Doctor, my 86-year-old neighbor says he can have a wife three times a night.”
            - And you say.
        2. Konstantin Yu
          Konstantin Yu 16 February 2018 14: 48
          +5
          Quote: Mar. Tira
          Of the 26 Israeli cruise missiles, 19 were intercepted. Namely air-to-ground cruise missiles,

          They didn’t count something up to the end ... what did the other 7 missiles smash ?, 7 “Bukov” ?, maybe 7 “Shells”? Maybe they covered the last sensible operators? Which side count 1+ and 19 against 26, or 1+ to 7. What was it, luck-accident for 30 years, or the trend of some .. or an accidental failure of others. It’s a pity that no one thinks to put up ..
          1. Mar.Tirah
            Mar.Tirah 16 February 2018 16: 22
            +7
            As the former commander of the anti-aircraft missile forces of the Russian Federation, Lieutenant General Alexander Gorkov, told Izvestia, the air defense of the Arab Republic was highly effective in repelling the raids on February 7 and 10.

            - Israel used cruise missiles to strike. These are very complex goals, performing a flight at a low altitude, ”the expert noted. - For their interception requires not only prepared calculations, but also centralization, as well as a high level of management. Of the 26 goals, 19 were intercepted. It turns out that the Syrian air defense demonstrated an efficiency close to 0,8. And this is a very high indicator. According to the officer, this could not have been achieved without the help of Russian specialists previously provided, who restored the technical readiness of the S-125, S-200 and Buk anti-aircraft missile systems, as well as retrained the Syrian military. 7 February The Israeli Air Force, violating the Syrian state border, launched eight air-to-ground missiles at the building of the National Science Center in the city of Salamia, Hama province, a Izvestia source said. “Then, the Pantsir-S, S-200 and Buk missile systems destroyed six missiles.” The remaining two fell in the area of ​​the National Science Center, without causing significant damage. On 10 February, the country's air defense forces had to repulse a massive strike using air-launched cruise missiles. The main objectives of the Syrian anti-aircraft gunners were not airplanes, but air-ground missiles launched outside the country's airspace. This information to Izvestia was confirmed by representatives of the Russian military department and the military-industrial complex.

            “As a result of the first raid, eight of the 11 discovered Israeli missiles were destroyed, and five during the second attack of seven missiles,” the Syrian officer explained. - The only aircraft that entered the country's airspace was shot down by our anti-aircraft missile system. In addition, in 2013-2015, Russia delivered Damascus with more than three dozen Pantsir air defense missile systems, including the latest modification C. The missile system fires air targets at a distance of up to 20 km and at an altitude of up to 15 km. Cannon - affects planes flying at extremely low altitudes, helicopters that suddenly appear from behind shelters in the near zone, as well as drones and even ground targets.

            As for the F-16I Sufa ("storm" - translated from Hebrew), one of which was shot down on February 10, they began to enter the Israeli Air Force in the mid-2000s. The main task of these two-seater multi-purpose aircraft is to attack well-defended targets in the depths of the enemy’s territory in the face of strong anti-aircraft defense. In the arsenal of these vehicles are Israeli Delilah cruise missiles that can barrage in a given area and hit not only static, but also moving targets.
      4. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek 17 February 2018 23: 17
        0
        Quote: mac789
        Maybe I'm confusing something

        recourse recourse and who provided you with information so that you can at least start to confuse something ??? what wassat wassat wassat
        1. mac789
          mac789 18 February 2018 02: 08
          0
          How curious you are ... For whom are you interested?
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  3. PVOSV
    PVOSV 16 February 2018 07: 38
    +7
    As a result, Israeli pilots expected complete demoralization of the calculations of the Syrian air defense systems, expecting that on anti-radar indicators 9С35М1 / 2, СНР-125М, 5Н62В, as well as 1RS2-1E “Helmet”, instead of target markers, only anti-overlays and glare from electronic warfare systems will be visible fighter jets. But later it turned out that they were very mistaken!


    somehow clumsily written

    An even more interesting detail of what happened in the sky above the western part of Damascus is that the Israeli F-16I was intercepted not at the extreme line of the Pechora or Cuba radius of action of 15–23 km, but at a distance of 8 to 12 km, since on a catch-up course (taking into account the fact that the missiles are not so fast: 2M for 3M9 and 2,3M for 5B27), only such a range of destruction could be achieved.


    the same is not in Russian))
    where did the author get the details of the defeat of the plane? figured it out myself?)))

    1. zyablik.olga
      zyablik.olga 16 February 2018 09: 13
      +10
      Quote: PVOSV
      where did the author get the details of the defeat of the plane? figured it out myself?)))

      Well, this author is also not capable of that. In one of his articles, he finished writing that we have a missile defense system in the Kuril Islands. wassat
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 16 February 2018 09: 52
        +6
        Quote: zyablik.olga
        In one of his articles he added to the fact that we have a missile defense system on the Kuril Islands.

        Olya, hello. And why on Kuriles PRO? There that New Moscow gathered to build?
        1. zyablik.olga
          zyablik.olga 16 February 2018 10: 14
          +7
          Quote: Amurets
          Olya, hello. And why on Kuriles PRO? There that New Moscow gathered to build?

          Hello, Nikolay! Well, this question is not for me. request The last time, when Damancev was asked such a question, he began to drive some kind of patriotic blizzard. wassat It is a pity that he stopped responding to comments on his articles. It was a lot of fun ... lol Especially after he entered into a discussion with Anton or Seryozha.
          1. Amurets
            Amurets 16 February 2018 10: 53
            +5
            Quote: zyablik.olga
            It is a pity that he stopped responding to comments on his articles. It was a lot of fun ...

            Not that word. It was possible not to go to concerts of regular comedians. All the same, you won’t read and see about such miracles. It’s the same as on the screen of a radar monitor to see instead of a packet of a target, the face of the pilot who controls this target.
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 16 February 2018 20: 06
          +2
          “There they were going to build New Moscow” - Everything is possible.
        3. Arikkhab
          Arikkhab 18 February 2018 15: 59
          +1
          Submarine bases guard
  4. Victor_B
    Victor_B 16 February 2018 07: 49
    +7
    Well, now our ex-brothers will come running.
    Any air defense systems can be interrupted.
    The only question is the outfit of forces allocated for the operation and organization thereof.
    Syrian shells are already many years old too, are getting old little by little.
    And the old 125s, 75s, 200s and Cubes, alas - is no longer a cake. And especially against Israel - perhaps the most advanced army in the world in technology.
    1. Romario_Argo
      Romario_Argo 16 February 2018 09: 48
      +3
      The 2 division of the S-300PMU-1 air defense system has already been delivered to Syria as part of the 10 launcher with a TPK under 4 SAM 9М96 _...
      BC 10 PU for 4 TPK X 4 SAM = 160 SAM i.e. 80 SAM on a division with a radius of the zone 100% defeat 100-135 km.
      1. Victor_B
        Victor_B 16 February 2018 09: 54
        +2
        From this place in more detail. You are welcome.
        1. Syrian or ours?
        2. Where about? (At least bast shoes)
        3. Well, now the "brothers" will have fun. For they will not tolerate such a thing for sure. They will not spare forces and missiles.
      2. ZVO
        ZVO 16 February 2018 15: 33
        +5
        Quote: Romario_Argo
        The 2 division of the S-300PMU-1 air defense system has already been delivered to Syria as part of the 10 launcher with a TPK under 4 SAM 9М96 _...
        BC 10 PU for 4 TPK X 4 SAM = 160 SAM i.e. 80 SAM on a division with a radius of the zone 100% defeat 100-135 km.


        First, they wanted to put the S-300 on the defense of Tartus
        And nothing more.
        And he didn’t even jerk once.
        Neither during the flights of the Kyrgyz Republic, nor during the flights of the French, nor during the flights of Americans, Qatars, and Dutch. Turks, Israelis, Germans ...
        Never...

        And more.
        Air Defense - has never in the last 50 years shown itself to be "impenetrable."
        Never.
        4 times there were indications of how the ability to “destroy air defense” was used.
        1 time (as far back as the 70s) - as a number and skill air defense is destroyed.

        Since then - the air defense - always 2-3 steps behind the attacking forces.
    2. Setrac
      Setrac 16 February 2018 22: 58
      +3
      Quote: Victor_B
      And especially against Israel - perhaps the most advanced army in the world in technology.

      Based on what kind of "technology" do you give the Israeli army such a credit of trust? Israel’s average army is weak.
  5. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 16 February 2018 08: 33
    +20
    That's what VO likes because it’s for the abundance of "ikspertov" who can explain to me "teapot" intelligibly. And now they explained how ONE accidentally shot down (then flying FIG knows how many kilometers) the Israeli plane is characterized by a complete decline in Hel Haavir ... True, the author somehow missed the point that they completed their task. After reading the headline, I thought it was a sinful thing that the loss of the Israelis is much more than one plane .... Here recently, it was seriously written about how during the Second World War one hero was hunting from ..... a mortar for an annoying German airplane-aimed. ... from the mortar and bang right on the plane! Of course a hero, but then ... wink
    1. fighter angel
      fighter angel 16 February 2018 10: 29
      +15
      And what task did they accomplish? It is written in an article - out of 26 Israeli launched air-to-ground missiles, 19 were destroyed. The "teapot" is the "teapot", at least the Amer’s, at least anyone’s. Read it again if it doesn't get it right the first time! Nuuuu stupid ...
      1. Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat 16 February 2018 10: 57
        +14
        C'mon .... And the Jews say that they hit all the targets, .... for some reason, I believe the Jews more (I don’t even know the “why”, probably because the “dumb” one) wink
        1. Fulcrumxnumx
          16 February 2018 12: 18
          +15
          Well, they will tell you that one link "Adirov" (F-35I) put all Syria's air defense on the blades .. narrators and great dreamers
          1. Lex.
            Lex. 16 February 2018 12: 32
            +6
            You have a moment 29 they want to turn into attack aircraft
            1. fighter angel
              fighter angel 16 February 2018 13: 16
              +10
              What are you doing now? We are discussing air defense here. Or is it just a portion of the city for a fan? Be so kind - either on the topic, or just keep quiet.
            2. Antares
              Antares 18 February 2018 15: 25
              0
              Quote: Lex.
              You have a moment 29 they want to turn into attack aircraft

              more likely to be a multifunctional ..
              But I still believe the Jews more than Damantseva. Exclusively because he is more inclined to propaganda than to an impartial look.
          2. ZVO
            ZVO 16 February 2018 15: 49
            +7
            Quote: Fulcrum29
            Well, they will tell you that one link "Adirov" (F-35I) put all Syria's air defense on the blades .. narrators and great dreamers


            And how did they put all the air defense of Syria in previous years?

            Have you watched a story at least once, and not TVs?
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 16 February 2018 20: 12
              +1
              And they put it well - every month 2 raids, all the air defense of Syria is scrap metal, except for the "Shells" that were supplied to them under the contract, but their fate is unknown.
        2. fighter angel
          fighter angel 16 February 2018 12: 40
          +7
          Cool damn it! What are the Jews? Who specifically speaks? What struck? What are the goals? Believe further to the Jews, they "always speak only pure PSVDU".
        3. amirbek
          amirbek 16 February 2018 12: 40
          +4
          they were struck, they weren’t struck, what difference does it make ... they got the main click on the beak ... it’s a hint that they don’t get insolent and don’t climb further “their own striped” unnecessary ... otherwise it’s like “hey bird flew there a lot of tasty food” and therefore - wings to feet feet to tail rest now sailor!
        4. Korax71
          Korax71 16 February 2018 13: 55
          +4
          Maybe due to the fact that they are not used to rushing with words?
        5. Setrac
          Setrac 16 February 2018 23: 00
          +6
          Quote: Monster_Fat
          for some reason I believe the Jews more

          Two crooks "sincerely believe" each other.
          1. Antares
            Antares 18 February 2018 15: 26
            0
            Quote: Setrac
            Quote: Monster_Fat
            for some reason I believe the Jews more

            Two crooks "sincerely believe" each other.

            I'm the third ...
            but I believe more Jews. About the Americans I will not say this.
            1. Varna
              Varna 18 February 2018 17: 45
              +1
              Quote: Antares
              Quote: Setrac
              Quote: Monster_Fat
              for some reason I believe the Jews more

              Two crooks "sincerely believe" each other.

              I'm the third ...
              but I believe more Jews. About the Americans I will not say this.


              Of course you believe more Jews-you are a Jew)))
              Although, drawing a conclusion from the relationship between Abramovich and Berezovsky, no one can be trusted at all)))
        6. Nikolai Grek
          Nikolai Grek 17 February 2018 23: 24
          +1
          Quote: Monster_Fat
          for some reason I believe the Jews more

          what what this is your serious problem !!! request request wassat wassat lol lol
        7. aiden
          aiden 19 February 2018 02: 27
          0
          It’s not for nothing that they came up with “a Jew does not live, if not nae **”. They should be trusted last. And why did the representative of the God-chosen be pushed to Putin right after his operation? Jews screwed up there to the fullest. In Syria, there was a national holiday after those events. There most likely it was not just a plane and shot down missiles
      2. Arikkhab
        Arikkhab 18 February 2018 16: 03
        0
        on the fence x .... it is written, and there the firewood lies. about 19 "shot down KR" - the author of course he is the ultimate truth
  6. shans2
    shans2 16 February 2018 09: 00
    +2
    Russia has the best air defense, this is enough to make everything in Syria the way it is), you can not even talk about the rest. Because the next time, not the Syrian air defense calculations can work, but the most advanced Russian air defense systems ... Everyone else can whine near the wall)
    1. zyablik.olga
      zyablik.olga 16 February 2018 09: 15
      +13
      Quote: shans2
      Because the next time, the Syrian air defense calculations may already work, but the most modern Russian air defense missiles ... Everyone else may whine near the wall)

      Russian air defense calculations are involved only in repelling attacks on our base. They do not oppose the air strikes of the United States and Israel on Syrian targets. No.
      1. Mar.Tirah
        Mar.Tirah 16 February 2018 13: 38
        +3
        Well, it’s enough that the Syrian calculations are being studied with us, and they are not doing poorly in practice. Anti-aircraft systems repelled the attack
        Recent incidents in the sky of Syria have shown the combat readiness of the Arab Republic. https://iz.ru/707929/aleksei-ramm-nikolai-surkov/
        zenitnye-kompleksy-otrazili-ataku
        1. ZVO
          ZVO 16 February 2018 16: 24
          +9
          Quote: Mar. Tira
          Well, it’s enough that the Syrian calculations are being studied with us, and they are not doing poorly in practice. Anti-aircraft systems repelled the attack


          They studied all our life with our ...
          All my life since the mid-50s.
          And it never helped them.
          They were always beaten.
          Always.
          Arabs, sir.
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 16 February 2018 23: 03
            +8
            Quote: ZVO
            They were always beaten.
            Always.
            Arabs, sir.

            Jews are the same "Arabs sir" as the Syrians, only better armed.
            1. ZVO
              ZVO 17 February 2018 20: 28
              +1
              Quote: Setrac
              Quote: ZVO
              They were always beaten.
              Always.
              Arabs, sir.

              Jews are the same "Arabs sir" as the Syrians, only better armed.


              just do not need this nonsense.
              Israel is a country of returnees.
              More than 1 million non-Arab people left the Soviet Union alone.
              From France. germanium. poland, america - more than 1 million non-slaves left.
              And this is more than 30% of the population.
              And when in the 50s there were waves of emigration to Israel - were these also Arabs?
              And from them, in the end, everything grew ...
              Those are now known. who honors their roots and says where they came from. And how many are those who are not talking about that. that his ancestors are from Odessa. or Moscow. or Kazan ???
              So all this fantasy about Israelis and Arabs is a fantasy from the same opera, about the harmfulness of glutamate ...
              Pulled.
        2. zyablik.olga
          zyablik.olga 16 February 2018 17: 07
          +6
          Quote: Mar. Tira
          Well enough that Syrian calculations learn from us, and not bad at practice

          Well, what did they learn? What effective air defense can be in a country where the civil war has not yet ended? After all, you, too, seem to have served in air defense, and write such nonsense.
  7. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 16 February 2018 09: 01
    +7
    [/ quote] from burning torches solid fuel or liquid charges. [quote]
    What did the author want to say by this? Does he even know the difference between an engine and a charge?
  8. tchoni
    tchoni 16 February 2018 09: 31
    +6
    Somehow a little far-fetched ...
  9. faiver
    faiver 16 February 2018 10: 56
    +2
    and lesion rates?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 16 February 2018 20: 15
      +2
      Only in words, and so on to the question of the effectiveness of Syria’s air defense, when was the last time they repaired and modernized their air defense?
  10. Bongo
    Bongo 16 February 2018 10: 57
    +9
    q75agent,

    Quote: q75agent
    להתראות You know your language hi


    Translate please, I only have English, and that is not perfect. recourse
    1. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 16 February 2018 17: 51
      0
      Quote: Bongo
      Translate please, I only have English, and that is not perfect.

      They said goodbye to you, you could guess by the emoticon.
    2. Spike Javelin Touvich
      Spike Javelin Touvich 16 February 2018 18: 02
      +1
      Not worth don't feed
  11. Dormidont
    Dormidont 16 February 2018 11: 15
    +7
    For our Western and Middle Eastern partners, no missiles are a pity
  12. Curious
    Curious 16 February 2018 12: 14
    +9
    It seems that the selection of articles is on the principle of "The worse, the better." The author’s perfect dilettantism in this question does not bother anyone. The main thing is that he successfully copes with the propaganda task of escalating the psychosis on the topic of "NATO is coming and will attack soon."
    1. Antares
      Antares 18 February 2018 15: 29
      +1
      Quote: Curious
      It seems that the selection of articles is on the principle of "The worse, the better."

      why the impression? Negative selection has long been noted.
      Quote: Curious
      The main thing is that he successfully copes with the propaganda task of escalating the psychosis on the topic of "NATO is coming and will attack soon."

      optionally such. Hidden advertising of air defense in particular, Almaz Antey for example ... Buy our products. Now capitalism with a patriotic pump.
      1. Curious
        Curious 18 February 2018 23: 06
        0
        "Hidden advertising of air defense in particular Diamond Antey for example ..."
        What is the hidden advertising on the VO website, where the ears of the patriots stick out in a continuous forest. There is nothing to hide.
  13. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 16 February 2018 12: 57
    +15
    Error pilot. There was a warning from avionics, but he was not noticed. The planes after the sortie returned to Israeli airspace and gained altitude. They fired a missile launcher. One plane noticed a warning and, having dived, dodged a rocket. The second did not notice and caught a rocket. The command regarded the downing as an "operational failure."
    They will give thrashing to everyone so that they do not relax.
    1. Falcon5555
      Falcon5555 16 February 2018 13: 02
      +3
      Kedmi assured that everything is wrong.
      1. bane's jacket
        bane's jacket 16 February 2018 13: 05
        +7
        Quote: Falcon5555
        Kedmi assured that everything is wrong.

        But besides the “assurances,” did Kedmi introduce something?
      2. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 16 February 2018 22: 19
        +4
        Just posted details confirming my post.
        There was a volley of three missiles. Two missiles of the S-200 complex, missed by er. aircraft flying over Israel across and fell into the Mediterranean Sea. The third shot down the F-16.
        Such a long and high trajectory suggests that they shot at airplanes: 1) flying high 2) and over the territory of Israel. (I’m writing this, not to blame Syria’s air defense - there was a battle and they acted correctly).
        The Hetz missile defense was not involved, as the computer calculated the trajectory and calculated that the fall would be at sea.
        1. Shahno
          Shahno 16 February 2018 22: 24
          0
          Relaxed again. Kings felt. Has a loan day taught you anything?
          1. Cossack 471
            Cossack 471 16 February 2018 23: 32
            +13
            SAKHNO So it crawled out your gut out. For all nations, the Judgment Day; and for you, the Judgment Day. You want to lend someone anyway. at interest .....
            1. Shahno
              Shahno 17 February 2018 07: 54
              +5
              Great noticed ... I forget Russian. Not excusable. The hand wavered.
              1. Maz
                Maz 20 February 2018 22: 55
                0
                Hand trembled or subconscious sent out of habit?
        2. Shahno
          Shahno 17 February 2018 12: 59
          +1
          Everything was more complicated there .... One of the pilots (Avi) was wounded before leaving the sector. And so he overslept the catch ... And the second hedged. But time ...
        3. Falcon5555
          Falcon5555 18 February 2018 15: 40
          +1
          "Published"? - do not make me laugh. They don’t tell the truth in war.
    2. fighter angel
      fighter angel 16 February 2018 14: 00
      +7
      Yes Yes. Jews admit losses, right now! No matter how! But why not say that the F-16 simply “broke” in flight, and there were no missiles at all ???
    3. uhu189
      uhu189 16 February 2018 16: 17
      +4
      There were two pilots. Could both immediately not notice the warning?
  14. Forever so
    Forever so 16 February 2018 13: 05
    +7
    They forgot to mention that, in addition to the external threat, a powerful fifth column of Jewish-liberal nationality was formed and operates in conjunction with the comprador government in Russia. Therefore, Russia does not have and will not have mobilization potential or mobilization capacities to repel external aggression. All that enabled Russia to survive in the past attacks of the Anglo-Saxon coalition.
    1. evgeny68
      evgeny68 17 February 2018 18: 58
      +2
      Why are you kidding me? Of the 470 people's commissars, only 20-30 were Russian, the rest are Jews. Who did the world revolution, dear, Russian or something. And nothing WWII won. But the mobilization potential remained the same, the Russian peasant.
  15. Mar.Tirah
    Mar.Tirah 16 February 2018 13: 12
    +2
    Quote: bane's jacket
    Otot will make him Russian? Delov for a minute. Will this fundamentally change my mind? fool

    No, it doesn’t change! You can’t hide the essence, just as you don’t hide it. Cause is the only correct form of the noun “case” in the genitive plural, it is written without the end of “s”. Smart guy!
  16. Insurrection
    Insurrection 16 February 2018 13: 15
    +2
    In short, everything is clear, they stuffed the Eurozone with high-tech missile weapons. But there is a way out - deliver a Stratospheric nuclear strike of 20 megatons! An electromagnetic pulse will burn out all the semiconductors, only that in the mines will survive.
    Cheap and Reliable, and most importantly Radically!
    1. Korax71
      Korax71 16 February 2018 14: 30
      +6
      laughing here he is the new head of divisional troops. then don’t be surprised that everyone considers Russia a threat. into nuclear ashes.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 16 February 2018 20: 20
        +3
        You give sofa bombs of 0,2, 0,5, 1, 2, 4, 7, and 10 kilotons - we’ll give them all to nuclear dust.
        1. Antares
          Antares 18 February 2018 15: 31
          0
          Quote: Vadim237
          You give sofa bombs of 0,2, 0,5, 1, 2, 4, 7 and 10 kilotons

          Killodivans ... the damaging factor is on the same couch generals.
          I confess that the number of haters (although the fault is not even theirs, but the articles) is menacingly great.
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    3. Satanator
      Satanator 16 February 2018 16: 23
      +1
      stop all that will not be included at the moment of the impulse will survive! - and as ionization decreases, you can begin to turn on and use
    4. mervino2007
      mervino2007 16 February 2018 19: 34
      +3
      What did "Rebellion" say? In the West, a lot of things are crammed against us, is that not so? There are many solutions to THIS problem. Including Nuclear weapons. What is unacceptable to you, Korax71? So the choice, with the explicit preparation of the war against us, the weapons of defense - is ours! Enlightened?
      1. MadCat
        MadCat 16 February 2018 20: 03
        +3
        Quote: mervino2007
        There are many solutions to THIS problem. Including Nuclear weapons. What is unacceptable to you, Korax71? So the choice, with the explicit preparation of the war against us, the weapons of defense - is ours! Enlightened?

        "weapon of defense" is rather a swan song and the last hope for the non-use of "weapon of defense". hi
  17. GeorgePompidou
    GeorgePompidou 16 February 2018 15: 40
    +1
    Hello. I am an amateur. DMB 84-86 Air Defense Song of S-25 AKYu sergeant. Here are 200 Tomahawks at once to the Crimea S-400 and a fleet with S-300. By the way, Syria Shairat airfield, they say 54 roofing felts 96 Tomahawks that something is not impressive this blow
  18. stone
    stone 16 February 2018 16: 02
    +7
    As always, Damantsev is illiterate, messy, all in a heap. Conclusions from scratch.
  19. Lis_96
    Lis_96 16 February 2018 16: 05
    +4
    Experts gathered. One speculation and fantasy.
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    2. Falcon5555
      Falcon5555 18 February 2018 15: 33
      +1
      cedmi traitor and renegade

      belay And like this for Israel, for Israel ... And in what he betrayed? And whom? You seem to be representing someone from France yourself? Whose boy will you be?
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    1. shans2
      shans2 16 February 2018 19: 56
      +3
      israeli trolls all with a schiz?)
    2. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 16 February 2018 22: 33
      +1
      Quote: inner enemy
      An 1 plane was shot down, I wonder how many Israeli air forces have combat-ready aircraft, probably more than Syria and Russia combined?


      The layout is this:
      F-35 - 9 (another 41 ordered);
      F-15I - 25
      F-15A / B / C / D - received 89, but 8 are lost in accidents and disasters, 14 are decommissioned or disassembled for spare parts, 5 will be decommissioned instead of the modernized F-15D, 89- remains (8 + 14 + 5) 62.
      F-16I - received 102, 4 lost in accidents and disasters, 1 shot down, left 97.
      F-16C / D - received 135, 4 (at least, rather more) lost in accidents and disasters, left 131.
      In addition, the sale of 12 aircraft in Croatia is possible.
      Thus, we have: 9 + 25 + 62 + 97 + 131 = 324 (actually less, because 4 F-15D has not yet been put into operation, and F-16C / D apparently crashed a little more, not to mention the fact that airplanes spend part of their life on medium and major repairs and modernizations).

      1. internal enemy
        internal enemy 17 February 2018 01: 09
        0
        thanks for the info
      2. Antares
        Antares 18 February 2018 15: 34
        0
        320, of which are combat readiness (for the minimum time to take off)?
        I am sure that more than 70-80% (since the situation around the country)
  22. VOENOBOZ
    VOENOBOZ 16 February 2018 18: 56
    +2
    Syria is tired of the war, many military personnel have died, there is no technology and what is apparently there are no skills. But the sleek Israeli pilots are calm, although probably all the same in a strain, who knows that a lottery could happen. And the task of flattery is probably not. Ordinary positional shootings.
    1. chingachguc
      chingachguc 15 March 2018 13: 25
      0
      Russia is seriously engaged in restoring the potential of SAA, including air defense. If in 15-16 the Israelis did everything they wanted in the Syrian sky, in 2017 they already stopped flying to Syria, limiting themselves to rocket attacks from Israel and Lebanon.
  23. Ivanov IV
    Ivanov IV 16 February 2018 20: 00
    +4
    It seems that not many understood that Israel in Syria gives us such a gift !!!
    Israel has a complete set of US aircraft up to the most modern. And cruise missiles are in the kit.
    All that remains for us is to manage to import air defense systems of all types and work out on targets. Where else can you find such targets for free.
    And working out our MIGs and their BC !!!!!!!
    I hope our command will not miss this opportunity .......
    I really hope !!!!!
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 16 February 2018 20: 39
      +7
      This is mutual. good
      Syria is an ideal testing ground for testing the methods of opening and suppressing air defense / missile defense. Therefore, the more modern the systems will be delivered to the Syrians, the more valuable experience our Air Force and missile troops will receive.
      1. aiden
        aiden 19 February 2018 03: 56
        +2
        The wars of Russia and Israel are hard to imagine even in the worst nightmare. This information will be useful to us against the Americans, and you will most likely pass it on to your ally
    2. Cossack 471
      Cossack 471 16 February 2018 20: 41
      +4
      The article did not like at all. Some kind of alignment in Europe. like two squadrons will attack. and we are not ready. By God. I’m sick of Israel’s comments. "The plane dodged a missile." According to the firing rules, 3 missiles are assigned to the fighter in line with a firing rate of 5 seconds. that is, they fly one after another at a distance of 1.5-2 km. if you can try to dodge the first by using an anti-ballistic maneuver. then the second rocket will overtake. as she is pointing at the anticipated meeting point. Try to escape from the three pursuers. running one after another. already the second one will run across you without any problems .. And when applying interference, the number of missiles per 1 aircraft can be increased. For example, in Vietnam, up to 1 S-52 air defense missiles reached 25 downed B-75. Another thing. how calculations are trained. how old the equipment is, etc.
  24. Koshkin
    Koshkin 16 February 2018 20: 33
    0
    The latter will respond to NATO’s attempt to attack Russia with a total nuclear retaliation by am on their completely unprotected territory.
  25. Ostup bender
    Ostup bender 16 February 2018 20: 53
    +4
    You smoked, gentlemen? Since when did you start to shoot down airborne missile systems since 200? Not even axes, mind you ... and in such percentages. This was not always achieved by the pilots of the USSR Air Force in good times, under training conditions at training grounds. And the unfortunate Syrian unfortunate Air defense could. Let with two armor.
    1. Shahno
      Shahno 16 February 2018 21: 23
      +3
      Well, what can you do for 10 years, they finally shot down one, and even then they did not shoot down, but they damaged. As a result, they were raked by the very tomatoes. And they are happy ... We’ll just change the tactics. We will show off altogether all the air defense destroy. Finish out ..
      1. Shahno
        Shahno 16 February 2018 21: 26
        +3
        The Israeli Air Force is silent about this ....
      2. kerosene
        kerosene 18 February 2018 16: 12
        +1
        It’s time for Syria to put Iskander-E so that stupid people like you hide their smelly mittens.
  26. liberalkaput
    liberalkaput 17 February 2018 05: 51
    0
    We don’t know what’s good, what’s bad, but the fact that the troops of the Russian Federation in Syria and Assad’s army have been shot for 4 years by Israel and the USA and Turkey, and the otvetka is the only one with a fright who was shot down by an unknown F-16 ///
    1. zasrailist
      zasrailist 17 February 2018 09: 53
      +3
      Ukrainians shot down a stronghold
  27. zasrailist
    zasrailist 17 February 2018 09: 52
    +2
    All will soon be knocked down by liquid carriers
  28. andrew xnumx
    andrew xnumx 17 February 2018 14: 34
    +1
    It is urgent to improve and fully integrate all the Syrian air defense systems.
  29. alaarsen
    alaarsen 17 February 2018 15: 28
    +2
    Here I, as a "man from the outside," read comments here about who to believe, who not to believe ... And I had such a question - this time Israel announced the destruction of half of Syrian air defense .. Before that, they constantly reported on the destruction of batteries, radars, KP .. All the same air defense .. Here they wrote about 200 sorties - and each time successful .. and so - either it multiplies by budding, or ....
    1. MadCat
      MadCat 17 February 2018 16: 23
      +2
      Quote: alaarsen
      Here I, as a "man from the outside," read comments here about who to believe, who not to believe ... And I had such a question - this time Israel announced the destruction of half of Syrian air defense .. Before that, they constantly reported on the destruction of batteries, radars, KP .. All the same air defense .. Here they wrote about 200 sorties - and each time successful .. and so - either it multiplies by budding, or ....

      until that time, Israel had not touched Syria’s air defense at all, bombed weapons stores for hezbollah and caravans with hezbollah missiles. Considered air defense obsolete, not a threat, now everything has changed.
    2. Arikkhab
      Arikkhab 18 February 2018 16: 13
      0
      The Russian Aerospace Forces reported 31000 (!) Sorties in Syria. Against this 200 sorties of the Israelis as if “nothing”
  30. alaarsen
    alaarsen 17 February 2018 17: 43
    +3
    [quote = MadCat] [quote = alaarsen] Here I, as a "person from the outside," read here comments about who to believe, who not to believe ... And I had such a question - this time Israel announced the destruction of half of Syrian air defense .. Before that, they constantly reported on the destruction of batteries, radars, KP .. All the same air defense .. Here they wrote about 200 sorties - and each time successful .. and so - either it multiplies by budding, or .... [/ quote]
    until that time, Israel had not touched Syria’s air defense at all, bombed weapons stores for hezbollah and caravans with hezbollah missiles. Considered air defense obsolete, not a threat, now everything has changed. [/ Quote /]
    In each message about attacks on warehouses, etc., it was said about "an attempt to bombard Syrian missiles and retaliate the suppression of air defense batteries" ... Here, in the comments, look - photos and videos saying the same thing ... supposedly ..
    1. MadCat
      MadCat 17 February 2018 18: 56
      +1
      Quote: alaarsen
      In each message about attacks on warehouses, etc., it was said about "an attempt to bombard Syrian missiles and retaliate the suppression of air defense batteries" ... Here, in the comments, look - photos and videos saying the same thing ... supposedly ..

      Well, are there many of these complexes left? And they didn’t specifically bomb them, Lieberman from the Israeli Ministry of Defense stated before that just in case of continued shelling of the Air Force they would destroy air defense ...
  31. bk0010
    bk0010 17 February 2018 18: 36
    +1
    "Our radio yesterday reported that ours shot down 10 of our aircraft!"
  32. evgeny68
    evgeny68 17 February 2018 18: 51
    +1
    I’m not in the subject, but based on logic, the main objectives of the rocket and they were almost all shot down.
  33. timgan777
    timgan777 17 February 2018 21: 46
    +2
    From the article I realized: to all the scribe - we disappeared
  34. Arabfun
    Arabfun 17 February 2018 22: 12
    +2
    Quote: Aaron Zawi
    Quote: Mih1974

    Maybe the details of the "Deir Yassin Massacre" will tell us here? And then I myself can post photos of your Gestapo am

    Well, compared with the assault on Komsomolsky, the assault on Deir Yassin is just post-shoot.

    Bandits stayed mainly due to drugs. In almost every house, in every basement, syringes were strewn with shot cartridges. In narcotic intoxication, the bandits knew neither fear nor pain. There were times when, dumbfounded by the dose, they ran out of cover, went full height to the attack and fired indiscriminately until they got a bullet in the forehead. ”Among them was the so-called Assistant Foreign Minister of Ichkeria Bilan Murzabekov. During a search of the dead, they found two kilograms of heroin - here’s the source of fighting spirit. There were many foreign mercenaries. cans with American stew, inside instead of meat - F-1 grenades. According to the words of Colonel Special Forces Mahotin, he had never seen so many killed militants in one place, either before or after Komsomolsky.
  35. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 18 February 2018 02: 08
    +2
    Quote: Aron Zaavi
    the reasons for which must be thoroughly investigated. "Combat losses during hostilities are inevitable, but an incident in the sky over Syria should not have ended in a plane crash ”

    Key phrase: in the sky over Syria.
    What the hell are the Israelis doing there? Have you been officially invited ?!
    Fly in your sky.
    With the same success, you can find a reason for attacking targets on your territory, at least for the fact that the Igarmov barmalei nursed.
  36. Foxmara
    Foxmara 18 February 2018 07: 50
    +2
    Aron Zaavi,
    Quote: Aron Zaavi
    And no one else fought with the Nazis? Well, there are British and Kazakhs, Armenians and Canadians, Americans and Georgians, Jews and Poles, they did not fight with the Nazis? And you can first of all fought for yourself?

    Why do you separate Kazakhs, Armenians and Georgians? It was the USSR. Dot.
    The Poles both saved (honor and praise), and handed over and cut, and in large quantities (proved). The Americans helped the USSR with one hand, and Hitler (Henry Ford) supplied the equipment with the other. The British until they were attacked by the Germans themselves were not particularly eager to fight and the Germans even allowed them to remove the remnants of the troops from France, although they could easily be knocked over, even Poland did not get to save, although they had obligations. The second front was opened only when it became clear that the poor were poor, but the USSR could do it only by bargaining for buns.
    What kind of Jews did the British and Canadians save in the battle for Britain? Or when they wiped Dresden from the face of the earth? Fought for their interests, yes. England generally directly approached the Second World War: “England was offered a choice between war and dishonor. She chose dishonor and will get a war. ”
    1. Antares
      Antares 18 February 2018 15: 38
      0
      Quote: Foxmara
      “England was offered a choice between war and dishonor. She chose dishonor and will get the war. ”

      W. Churchill, October 3, 1938. It was a Munich agreement that untied Hitler's hands in further conquests.
  37. Foxmara
    Foxmara 18 February 2018 08: 19
    +2
    Quote: Shahno
    Guys, your VKS worked on gangs. And ours are against regular forces. Feel the difference.

    How many times did your Air Force fly into Syria, and how many worked from Lebanon? That's when your attack aircraft will (God forbid) bomb regular troops every day for two years and your statistics would remain at least no worse than ours - then they would compare. Despite the fact that the "gangs" have not only high-tech MANPADS, but also know how to handle it. Which clearly alludes to the same high-tech state opposing (proxy) ours.
    1. Arikkhab
      Arikkhab 18 February 2018 16: 17
      0
      And how long have the barmaley got "high-tech MANPADS"? And how often does the Russian Aerospace Forces fly below 5000 m in Syria?
  38. trahterist
    trahterist 18 February 2018 13: 32
    0
    Quote: Andrew Y.
    from the article I understood: CUBE, PECHORA-well, F-16i-bad ...

    From the article it is clear that when more or less trained fighters are sitting at the control devices, then this is not such “trash”, but quite a serious weapon.
    And it is quite capable of seriously complicating the lives of potentially more advanced combatants in the materiel.
  39. Arikkhab
    Arikkhab 18 February 2018 15: 19
    0
    Many letters and pathos with pulling "owls on the globe"
    A breakthrough of any air defense system can be accompanied by losses on the offensive side (we can recall the losses of the Russian Air Force during the war 08-08-08)
    Hale Avir carried attacks on protected, though obsolete, but still multi-level air defense bases on Syrian territory. Given the existing opposition (note that the Russian Air Force and coalition aviation have so far not encountered any form of air defense from the word at all), the losses can be called minimal
    Data on the number of "destroyed" air-to-ground missiles will be left to the conscience of the parties due to the lack of real confirmation
    Talking about the "complex technological problems of the on-board defense complex (BKO) of the Su-F-16I fighter jets" seems a bit premature because the affector does not (and cannot have) real information about the technical characteristics of this product
    Kheil Avir is one of the few air forces in the world that has real combat experience in the face of enemy air defense
  40. Alexander Borisov
    Alexander Borisov 18 February 2018 21: 33
    0
    Well, there is progress, there used to be a solid two, now a weak three.
  41. Vladimir SHajkin
    Vladimir SHajkin 18 February 2018 22: 26
    +1
    If everything is real as described, then it’s time to remember the saying - “No matter how you say halvah, halvah will not be sweet in your mouth,” I remembered this for understanding American advertising of my weapons, their “excellent characteristics” and, accordingly, our “lagging behind” ones.
  42. 1536
    1536 20 February 2018 07: 08
    0
    The lessons of the Second World War show that if there were combat-ready units on our Western borders, if there was any local conflict, for example, with the Polish army, and it would be defeated if it weren’t to pacify the aggressor and shout, that Hitlers come and go, but the German people remain, then Germany’s attacks on the USSR could have been avoided. After all, the Japanese did not attack us after Hassan and Halhingol.
    1. Ostup bender
      Ostup bender 20 February 2018 10: 50
      0
      [b] [/ b] you know how to say, you know how ...
  43. hetzer250789
    hetzer250789 20 February 2018 15: 48
    0
    Thanks to the author for the beautiful pictures and the capture of very urgent threats.
  44. hetzer250789
    hetzer250789 20 February 2018 16: 36
    0
    The problem considered by the author is relevant, the pictures are beautiful, thanks
  45. Outsider
    Outsider 20 February 2018 17: 31
    0
    Quote: ArikKhab
    If the task did not stand, then why was it at all necessary to spend anti-aircraft missiles?
    And yet ... Maybe Syria’s air defense did not try very hard since Assad’s Iran’s efforts in Syria are not very happy, I guess?

    - And the buildup of the Iranian military presence in Syria Iran categorically does not please Moscow - violates the status quo and makes the Russian contingent in Syria a virtual hostage to Iranian scumbags. Russia, Iranians in Syria need "like a hare-gonorrhea" ...
  46. Maz
    Maz 20 February 2018 22: 45
    +1
    Quote: Shahno
    With valor we are in order. And we never touched those who are weaker .... But those who dare to threaten us, if these men were responsible for their words, they should be strong, if they dare. Or don't blather at all.

    Wow, what truthful we are!
  47. Maz
    Maz 20 February 2018 22: 49
    +1
    Quote: voyaka uh
    Just posted details confirming my post.
    There was a volley of three missiles. Two missiles of the S-200 complex, missed by er. aircraft flying over Israel across and fell into the Mediterranean Sea. The third shot down the F-16.
    Such a long and high trajectory suggests that they shot at airplanes: 1) flying high 2) and over the territory of Israel. (I’m writing this, not to blame Syria’s air defense - there was a battle and they acted correctly).
    The Hetz missile defense was not involved, as the computer calculated the trajectory and calculated that the fall would be at sea.

    Yes to health, only a child did not interfere with working for real terrorists. Now, think a hundred times before meddling, and call the GDP a thousand times before firing rockets ... As I understand it, the surprises have already been brought and installed. Welcome to the new reality when your planes begin to shoot down with super-super-missiles with minimal ESR.
  48. Urantian
    Urantian 22 February 2018 09: 03
    0
    Low efficiency .., only one plane was shot down ...
    1. chingachguc
      chingachguc 15 March 2018 13: 08
      0
      as I understand it, rockets were fired from the airspace of Israel. The F-16 was shot down, according to the Jews themselves, due to the fact that the pilot violated the instructions, that is, entered the affected area of ​​the Syrian air defense.
  49. myobius59
    myobius59 22 February 2018 21: 59
    0
    Quote: ArikKhab
    Weird logic
    for some reason, in the Russian Federation they are not happy about NATO’s eastward expansion — that is, to the Russian-Ukrainian border. and this despite the fact that at least in words of NATO does not set the task of total destruction of the Russian Federation
    when it comes to BV and Iran’s entry to the border of Israel (despite the fact that Iran’s state doctrine speaks of the destruction of Israel as a state), why do you read that Israel should be idle?

    And what do you have against Israel being destroyed? 95% of the world's population will breathe a sigh of relief ... drinks
    1. ZVO
      ZVO 23 February 2018 09: 48
      +1
      Quote: myobius59

      And what do you have against Israel being destroyed? 95% of the world's population will breathe a sigh of relief ... drinks


      I'm against...
      For example, for the fact that right now Islam and its carriers would cease to exist ...

      For we (the world's population) in the near future (the next 100 years) will face mass and violent Islamization and Sharia.

      Islam is now moving into expansion mode.
    2. dustycat
      dustycat 22 March 2018 22: 44
      0
      Quote: myobius59

      And what do you have against Israel being destroyed?

      Well this is you ... We are peaceful Russian people!
      And the Gussians should help each other.
      Even if some Guskie people are genetically closer to those whom these Guskians hate strongly for being hated by those who are not Gussian at all.
  50. hezbola
    hezbola 2 March 2018 15: 18
    +1
    if they are such advanced hollywood cowboys well they are so crap in syria? kind of too kind? .. hardly