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How to close the topic "PMCs and reactions to events in Syria"

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Today we will try to close the topic of PMCs in general, Wagner in particular, and the losses of this company in Syria.




In general, it must be stated that the hysteria continues. Sensitive materials about the perished Russians are published on various resources. Relatives and friends with tears in their eyes are asking the president and the government: "For what?" What killed their son, husband, brother ...

The reaction is appropriate. “Amer killed our, and we are silent here! We must take revenge! We must answer! ”Not a single topic in conversations with readers. Unfortunately.

Enough time has passed since the first messages about the attack on the column. Enough time has passed since the start of the screaming about the dead.

But information or any information about the incident did not increase.

Everything is at the level of "one employee of PMCs, who cannot be shown, told the correspondent" ...

Not passed this cup and us. We also talked with two former employees. Of those who met even in the Donbas. Why ex? The contract has ended, and now it is quite respectable beginner businessmen. Earned enough to start your own business. The article about “Donbass is waiting for spring” remember?

It's simple. And why would former soldiers, former militiamen who remained out of work in the corps, not to earn extra money in this way? And earned, which is typical.

What's next?

This, of course, is not about our friends from Donbass. It's about the situation as a whole.

In general, the information tsunami passed, doing things. But, nevertheless, soon, very soon, most will forget about the "torn vests" in disputes with opponents. Life goes on...

Because the topic of the death of a huge number of Russians must be closed. There were answers to simple questions. Who and why all this was necessary?

Why did the information creep out not even from our potential, but from the territory of Russia? Why were the dead and wounded "hundreds taken to Russia in a very short time," but nobody knows about that? And no one has seen them yet?

So what is this information flow running for? And why is the outgoing point a rather contradictory figure of Mr. Girkin? Today the answer is clear.

And he, oddly enough, is not in Syria. And in Moscow.

In the Duma stuck the law on the PMC. Deputies are not ready to accept it. And the employees of these very companies, which are, but which are not, really want to receive the same social guarantees as the military.

Employees really want to slip out from under the sword of Damocles law on mercenaries.

Yes, and the moral side is the place to be. I would like the work of the PMC employees to have any positive assessment.

On the one hand, the normal desire to stand on a par with those heroes who really served the state, and not an individual. And the memory of past life plays a role. The majority of PMC workers are from former security officials or military personnel, this is not a secret.

And here Girkin as a detonator is good for several articles at once. Babahnuli? And how...

Now let's talk about the points.

The main charges, which simply pierce most of the publications, are the charges of lack of protection. The column was defeated, but the Russians did not strike a finger to save it. Moreover, some publications directly accuse Russia of deliberately failing to take action. The Americans received a response from the Russian military to the request to stay in the column of Russians.

How many times has it been said that PMC employees do not belong to the armed forces? Hundreds? Thousands? Moreover, the company itself has no national division. Our acquaintances "from the former" just are not Russians. Former Ukrainians, citizens of unrecognized republics.

And now the question is: if a Russian citizen dies in an American or European PMC, will we raise a howl? In the French Foreign Legion?

Some of the most soulful readers emphasize this. Russians were killed. We must, we must, we are simply beasts that we are silent. But then it turns out that the beasts are everything. In private security companies work citizens of almost all the republics of the former USSR and some European countries. Why is no one accusing them of "brutality"?

The next interesting point - they worked in the interests of Russia. Where does this information come from? Participation in battles on the side of the Syrian army - this is the interests of Russia? Russia's interests are protected by the Russian army. Even the MTR, which, with all the closeness of the structure itself, is the army. A special way to perform combat missions, but the army.

Especially sad are the references to the fact that "the commanding staff of the company apparently communicated with the command of the Russian troops in Syria." These messages are interpreted as direct evidence that PMCs work in the interests of Russia and under the leadership of Russian generals.

We do not exclude such contacts. Let's not forget that in the management of the company are not the last people from the former military men. People who have served a fairly long time in the ranks of the Armed Forces, people who have friends in the active army. Yes, and nationality matters.

But as an evidence base, frankly weak.

Remember the security system of Soviet defense enterprises? At the first perimeter of the VOKhR, and in the depths of the soldiers of the company of protection. Are they equivalent for the state?

Some fairly literate readers who have read the books of Western, more precisely, American writers on PMCs, tell us about the method of "PMCs instead of the army" used in the West for a long time. Indeed, in some cases, when it is impossible to shine our own Armed Forces, they buy (they buy) soldiers of fortune. Wild geese. And they carry out the operation for money.

What is the point of Russia to spend huge money on employees of private security contractors? Pleasure is extremely expensive. 200-240 thousand in rubles - this is only the salary of a mercenary. Depending on the position. Yes, plus up to 100% surcharge for operations. Total But there is also a headquarters, company management, owners. How much will a mercenary company cost? Oh, from ...

Isn't it easier to use MTR and military police? Especially since we are officially in Syria. And any feat of the Russian soldier or officer only raises our prestige.

Now it is time for serious spitting in the face of all these guardians for PMCs. At the beginning of the article we talked about the goals of representatives and lobbyists of private companies. Adopt a law on private security committees and amend the law on punishment for mercenaries. Let's see the Criminal Code.

Article 359. Mercenary.

1. Recruitment, training, financing or other material support of a mercenary, as well as its use in armed conflict or hostilities -

is punished by imprisonment for the term from four up to eight years with restriction of freedom for up to two years or without it.

2. The same acts committed by a person using his official position or in relation to a minor -

is punished by imprisonment for a term of seven to fifteen years with a fine of up to five hundred thousand rubles or in the amount of the salary or other income of the convicted person for a period of up to three years, or without it and with restriction of freedom for a period of one to two years, or without it.

3. Participation of a mercenary in an armed conflict or hostilities -

shall be punished by imprisonment for a term of three to seven years with restriction of freedom for a term of up to one year, or without it.

Note. A mercenary is a person who is acting for the purpose of receiving material remuneration and who is not a citizen of a state participating in an armed conflict or military actions, who does not reside permanently on its territory, and who is not a person who is assigned to perform official duties.


Here it is. Today, this article is suitable for all PMCs. Therefore, hiding under the signs of private security companies (PSC). Therefore, they are forced to keep a "vow of silence." We will adopt the law and get no longer mercenaries, but employees of the company who "perform special tasks in special conditions."

By the way, this same article hangs over many societies of veterans of the civil war in the Donbas. And over some political parties, successfully preparing their troops, it’s not quite clear who. But we will analyze this topic separately.

And if we return to the topic of our conversation, we get the following:

People who have launched this "exposing material" are counting on a period of timelessness.

When the old president is finalizing, and the new one is still in the project. When the State Duma deputies are busy with PR of their own candidates and will not particularly delve into the proposed bills. And the people, smearing snot in the face because of the dead, will happily clap their hands on the adoption of a law that will protect such guys.

And the last. We often criticize the Defense Ministry for the awkward work of covering the events in Syria.

But in this case, it is necessary to recognize that our defense department behaved correctly, without having descended into a quarrel with superpatriots and guardians of the Russian land. Statements were made on business and very professional.
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  1. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 16 February 2018 06: 39
    +53
    Authors: Alexander Staver, Roman Skomorokhov
    very convincing guys ... like all the "news" about the "wagner". you don’t know who to believe, around deception, at all levels, at an interesting time we live (or live) to lie, it has become the rule of "good taste" ... the heads of state lie, the journalists lie, they lie from the screens, they lie from every iron ... lie ... lie ... lie ... how to live that? I'm serious. sad
    1. Shurale
      Shurale 16 February 2018 06: 59
      +23
      Remember the fall of AN-148, on the first day, eyewitnesses said from the screens that the plane was falling like a torch. Today is a news article that pilots forgot to turn on the heating of devices showing speed and therefore fell. Lies? No, I have not seen ...
      1. Pax tecum
        Pax tecum 16 February 2018 09: 10
        +38
        It would be better if in the State Duma they thought about giving legal status to volunteers. This is really in demand, not mythical PMCs.
        1. Pax tecum
          Pax tecum 16 February 2018 09: 29
          +13
          President Vladimir Putin signed the Decree “On the Year of the Volunteer (Volunteer) in the Russian Federation.” And, these are no longer memorable events, but a problem that has ripened many years ago. It is up to the legislators.
          Volunteers need status!
          It is quite obvious that now, by some kind of informal agreement / resolution of the problem, Russian volunteers are not threatened if they take the “right” side. 

          Maybe someone remembers the events in 1999 of the year when the second Chechen company started, and where, when the Chechen fighters and mercenaries attacked Dagestan villages, a militia was formed from local residents. According to the results, some of them were then awarded orders and medals, with the wording “for repelling an armed attack” and “for participating in battles”, but ... they were not assigned the status of a war veteran. Not in the service were, here. Even the COP parsed.
          Here, for example, when the status was needed. And, especially now Donbass ...
          And whether there will be more.
          1. igorka357
            igorka357 16 February 2018 11: 49
            +13
            And why do you need the status of a veteran, if you are a volunteer ... are you status privileges, then respected for what? Yes, I need your status and your orders ... if I go there for my brother !!!
            1. Pax tecum
              Pax tecum 16 February 2018 12: 13
              +20
              You, probably, from among those about whom at school said "I look in the book, I see a fig". Quickly read the comment, with difficulty understanding its essence ... And respond to emotions?
              The key here is “volunteer status” (that, if you would go to fight for your brother, then the punitive bodies of your own state didn’t take you for punishment), and not the status of “WBD”.
              For you personally: the status of a war veteran does not give you a lot of social benefits and guarantees, in contrast to the status of a deputy, judge, prosecutor ...
              Got it?
              1. 108- guards pdp
                108- guards pdp 16 February 2018 12: 42
                +3
                Well, yes, the government gives out privileges to us from Barskaya Ruki. Here I am paid as WBD 4350 rubles a month, but there is no reduced fare.
                1. igorka357
                  igorka357 16 February 2018 12: 57
                  +18
                  I didn’t fight for benefits, and not for free rides ... that’s it! I didn’t fight for Gorbachev, not for Yeltsin .. not for Putin, and if I have to go again, I’ll crawl ... not for Putin ... clear to you?
                  1. Inok10
                    Inok10 16 February 2018 19: 33
                    +6
                    Quote: igorka357
                    I fought not for benefits

                    ... it's useless to explain here ... hi
                    ... on the topic Articles, Quote:
                    Note. A mercenary is a person acting in order to obtain material compensation и not a citizen of a state participating in an armed conflict or hostilitieswho does not reside permanently on its territory, as well as who is not a person sent to perform official duties.
                    ... and this wording should be Preamblerather than a Note ... actually Russian Federation is Party, at the invitation of the Legal Government Syrian Arab Republic ... and further ... and, by whom would they record, Staver and Skomorokhov - participants of the war in Vietnam and Korea and more than 20 geographical places during the USSR, where the USSR was not a party to the conflict ... or suddenly the Warrior-Internationalist turned in a Mercenary ?! ... Guys, I'm sorry, but it seems YOU just got into a puddle ... the pilot Li Si Qing - it turns out he was a Mercenary and the USSR air defense calculations in Vietnam too ... laughing
                    1. svd-xnumx
                      svd-xnumx 16 February 2018 19: 58
                      +3
                      . Sorry guys, but it seems YOU just got into a puddle ... the pilot Li Si Qing - it turns out he was a Mercenary and the USSR air defense calculations in Vietnam too ..
                      Pilot Li Xi Qing, what money went to fight? See the text you quoted:
                      Note. A mercenary is a person acting in order to obtain material compensation
                      1. Inok10
                        Inok10 16 February 2018 20: 28
                        +5
                        Quote: svd-xnumx
                        Pilot Li Xi Qing what money went to fight?

                        ... on order и for good moneythat paid in the USSR ... they all "took shape" as "civilian specialists" ... if he didn’t know "Color" - "New Town" (now the Kubinka Airshow Center) ... Zyuzin - GAZ-24 "Cherry" , Borodkin - VAZ-2101 "White" ... this is the mid-70s ... do not hang noodles on my ears ... hi ... after three years in the SAR ... 2141 without a queue, on the VAZ -2107 it was necessary to wait ... they spat, took 2141 ... and did not fail, the country was gone ... The savings book "burned out" like everyone else’s, the car was taken for "Checks" ... Tired of the Moral-Idealists ... laughing
                    2. would
                      would 17 February 2018 02: 58
                      +2
                      Related Articles, Quote:


                      On the topic of the article, an additional protocol to the Geneva Convention

                      2. A mercenary is any person who:
                      a)
                      specially recruited locally or abroad in order to
                      huddle in armed conflict;
                      b)
                      With „Р ° РєС‚РёС ‡ ески РїСЂРёРЅРёРјР ° ет непосредственное СѓС ЗЗ Р ° стие РІ РІРСРЅРЅР …РґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґР …РґРґР …РґР …РґРґРґР …РґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґР…
                      from)
                      takes part in hostilities, guided mainly by
                      zom, desire for personal gain, and which in reality
                      promised by or on behalf of a party to the conflict,
                      material remuneration significantly exceeding the remuneration
                      a promise promised or paid to combatants of the same rank and function
                      ktsiy, included in the personnel of the armed forces of this side;
                      d)
                      is neither a citizen of a party to the conflict nor
                      permanently resident in a territory controlled by
                      conflict in conflict;
                      e)
                      not part of the armed forces of the party located
                      in conflict; and
                      f)
                      RЅРµ RІРѕСЃР »R ° РЅРѕ RіРѕСЃСѓРґР ° рством, которое РЅРµ СЏРІР» яется стороной…
                      РІ РєРѕРЅС „Р” икте, РґР »СЏ РІС‹ РїРѕР »РЅРµРЅРёСЏ РѕС„ РёС † РёР ° Р »СЊРЅС‹ С ... РѕР ± СЏР · Р ° нностей РІ Рє РІР °
                      Р »РёС † Р °, РІС ... РѕРґСЏС ‰ его РІ состР° РІ его вооруженны С ... СЃРёР ».


                      According to our legislation, international law takes precedence over local, that is, conventions are higher than the Criminal Code, and as you can see, the only thing that paragraph d is not very suitable is no more.

                      Staver and Skomorokhov - participants in the war in Vietnam and Korea and more than 20 geographical places during the Soviet era, where the USSR was not a party to the conflict ... or suddenly the Warrior-Internationalist turned into a Mercenary ?!


                      The internationalist was sent there according to the official order of his command and was officially a member of the armed forces of the state.
                      1. Inok10
                        Inok10 18 February 2018 01: 25
                        +2
                        Quote: rait
                        According to our legislation, international law takes precedence over local, that is, conventions are above the Criminal Code

                        ... Delirium ... and dismantled this many times ...

                        Quote: rait
                        The internationalist was sent there according to the official order of his command and was officially a member of the armed forces of the state.

                        ... The "jacket" does not know that the status of ... Warrior - Internationalist ... is assigned after the "business trip", and not before it ... laughing ... slept ... laughing
                  2. Thor
                    Thor 17 February 2018 05: 16
                    +2
                    What's the name of the note?
                    How to close the topic ??
                    Do not pick it up!
                    And throw shitty fakes on the Internet fan.
                    Especially to site moderators ...
              2. igorka357
                igorka357 16 February 2018 12: 52
                +3
                Well, of course, first you had the status of a volunteer in a comment, and then ... they didn’t give you the status of a veteran of military operations! How proud would you be to have fought ... yes? Or what? I may have misunderstood you?
              3. igorka357
                igorka357 16 February 2018 12: 54
                +1
                I realized that I don’t really need it yet ... so far, what is in me .. doesn’t prevent me from living and working normally! And understand that the punitive authorities don’t have any evidence for me that I was a “volunteer for money” and so on never find!
                1. domokl
                  domokl 16 February 2018 13: 27
                  +6
                  Quote: igorka357
                  , the punitive organs have no evidence against me that I was a "volunteer for money" and they will never find such a person!

                  bully There would be a man, and there will be an article. The main thing is to be able to search
                  1. bane's jacket
                    bane's jacket 16 February 2018 13: 32
                    +5
                    Quote: domokl
                    Quote: igorka357
                    , the punitive organs have no evidence against me that I was a "volunteer for money" and they will never find such a person!

                    bully There would be a man, and there will be an article. The main thing is to be able to search

                    You have perfectly illustrated the essence of justice in Russia. Thank. hi
              4. Alexy
                Alexy 16 February 2018 18: 16
                +3
                My father, a combat participant, pays 25% of a communal apartment. Given the current prices, for him as a pensioner - a good help. More, it seems, does not receive anything.
          2. zenion
            zenion 17 February 2018 17: 24
            0
            Volunteer to the Russian Army, and not to anyone, somewhere.
        2. Esoteric
          Esoteric 16 February 2018 11: 00
          +13
          Quote: Pax tecum
          It would be better if in the State Duma they thought about giving legal status to volunteers. This is really in demand, not mythical PMCs.

          Everything related to PMCs should go through the Defense Ministry, as a special troops to perform special tasks. And, excuse me, a company that fights for money is too similar to mercenaries. And there is no guarantee that they will not turn the weapon in the opposite direction.
          Russia is not a country to be “embarrassed” of the presence of military specialists (Russian citizens) in “hot spots”. Only contracts for these people should be thought out and insurance options calculated. Sorry, but it’s better to call 1000-3000 specialists than to produce the darkness of mediocre deputies and officials. These guys, unlike state parasites, are responsible for their affairs.
          soldier
          1. V. Salama
            V. Salama 16 February 2018 11: 51
            +4
            Quote: Esoteric

            Everything related to PMCs should go through the Defense Ministry, as a special troops to perform special tasks. And, excuse me, a company that fights for money is too similar to mercenaries. ...
            Russia is not a country to be “embarrassed” of the presence of military specialists (Russian citizens) in “hot spots”.

            You have too conflicting ideas about reality. MO will never or should not be associated with PMCs. Although everyone should get paid for their work. It is possible to have a “professional army” as part of the Defense Ministry, a job that oligarchs can additionally pay if their goals coincide with national ones. Must be used officially, according to the plans of the Ministry of Defense. What prevented us from officially using our armed forces in this operation based on the principles of international law? The glossy answer is understandable to many, I'm on the legal side of the issue. We are in Syria legally, support of the legal regime involves participation in the restoration of territorial sovereignty. The authors of the article still upset with an incomprehensible statement:
            Remember the security system of Soviet defense enterprises? On the first perimeter of VOKhR, and in the depths of the soldiers are guard companies.
            Are they equivalent for the state?
            What are you talking about? Is it a PMC type PMC in the role of avant-garde? What thought do you want to drag in our minds? Yes, a soldier of VOKhR, if he died heroically, performing his task, was tantamount to a soldier for the state and for the people.
          2. igorka357
            igorka357 16 February 2018 11: 58
            +6
            What did you carry, you yourself understood? What you are offering has existed for a long time, before it was Special Forces of the USSR, then it was TsSN of the FSB of the Russian Federation, now it is the MTR of the Russian Federation ... Well, as for the mercenaries, you are right .. so maybe the laws take them for them? But the point is in money, the officer of the special operations forces receives from 50 to 150 tr ... and the PMC officer from 250 to 500 tr ... do you catch the difference? But the trouble is ... the mercenaries in for the most part there’s no willingness to give life to their homeland even for free ... but for special forces soldiers, or whatever you want to call him ... who have been rife with it since childhood! It’s a pity guys, our Russians and the toad certainly choke, and I want to see the corpses of our friends "greenberets and marinas" ... only the essence of the conversation is not that !!!
            1. V. Salama
              V. Salama 16 February 2018 14: 49
              0
              Quote: igorka357

              1. What did you carry, you yourself understood?
              2. What you propose has existed for a long time, before it was the Special Forces of the USSR, then it was the Central Security Service of the FSB of the Russian Federation, now it is the MTR of the Russian Federation ...
              3. Well, what about the mercenaries you are right .. so maybe it’s not worth the laws for them to adopt?
              4. But the point is money, the officer of the special operations forces receives from 50 to 150 tr ... and the PMC officer from 250 to 500 tr ... do you catch the difference?
              5. Only here is the trouble .. for the most part there are no mercenaries willing to give life to their homeland even for free ...
              6 ... only the essence of the conversation is not that !!!

              1. I realized that you are not in the subject and you should start by understanding the concept of what is a "state".
              2. What already exists is ready to act voluntarily and in the interests of the oligarchs for an additional payment? Or is it already active? I do not know.
              3. Well, it’s like I ... didn’t discuss it, but oh well ... I personally don’t accept mercenaries at all.
              4. The letters do not mean: 150 salaries + 300 from the oligarchs for zeal to squeeze out the oil refinery cleanly during the operation to liberate the territory, a total of 450. The question is about management issues.
              5. Thoughtfully, it will be necessary to write down.
              6. I already see this, I don’t understand just what is wrong?
          3. Pax tecum
            Pax tecum 16 February 2018 12: 17
            +1
            Dear Esoteric!
            If, as you put it, "everything related to PMCs should go through / through the Moscow Region," then this is by no means PMCs, for sure. The concept (understanding) is not that.
            The ideal option, in my humble opinion, is to create the so-called. "Volunteer Corps", with a separate staff and tasks from the Ministry of Defense, incl. and participation in peacekeeping missions (with the scope / list of work, as in the same PMCs, including humanitarian operations, mine clearance, etc.). After all, there is the experience of the state hiring "volunteers" for a contract during the Chechen wars, but in the state of the Defense Ministry, through the same military commissariats. Which, incidentally, helped a lot to solve the problem of acute shortage in the short term.

            And, the "Volunteer Corps" will "work" not as a private military organization (PMC), but in the mode of private-state partnership ... to solve socially and state important tasks on mutually beneficial terms.
            Under this and the legislative framework it is simpler and easier to choose.

            Here is what the definition means: Public-private partnership - legally executed for a certain period of time and based on pooling resources, sharing risks, the cooperation of a public partner, on the one hand, and a private partner, on the other hand, carried out on the basis of an agreement on public-private partnership, ensuring accessibility and improving the quality of goods, works, services, the provision of which to consumers is determined by the powers of state authorities and local authorities.

            Those. This definition is quite suitable for solving problematic issues in this controversial topic.

            PS Into the account of "state parasites" and their "utility", I agree!
            1. igorka357
              igorka357 16 February 2018 13: 09
              +1
              Well respected ... well, tell me the definition I will not bother with foreign inscriptions ... blackwaters, academies and even the centenary of the French legion, by the way in which he worked .... he worked, not served .. not one Russian guy ... but Well, answer? That is, in your opinion, if the state is paying unreasonable pennies at the legislative level, and a person goes to kill legally for loot ... is he a hero? No .. you confuse .. I don’t need your volunteer statuses and laws in favor of PMCs, I go there in good conscience, for the honor of the country ... for Relatives and friends!
            2. igorka357
              igorka357 16 February 2018 13: 20
              +3
              Listen, stop getting smart, I already said! In the USSR they refused from sabotage and reconnaissance groups, it was not rare! They refused agents of the SVR, and it was not rare ... they all were in the PUBLIC SERVICE ... no fucking State of your stupid private partnerships .... damn it, how old are you ???? It seems that you absolutely do not know the history of the Homeland of your Parents, it is clear that you have a market economy, all kinds of volunteers, that you would not be blamed then and then the status of a veteran .. Well, well, noticeably!
            3. Petr1968
              Petr1968 16 February 2018 14: 30
              +2
              Quote: Pax tecum
              "Volunteer Corps"

              Isn't that a contract job?
              Let's distinguish right away. We need people from whom we deny ourselves and say that we don’t know anything about them. Or is it still OUR? If ours, then this is the military, why allocate something. And if we want to cowardly hide our heads, then no PMCs will ever appear in the law.
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            5. V. Salama
              V. Salama 18 February 2018 14: 35
              0
              Quote: Pax tecum
              ...
              And, the "Volunteer Corps" will "work" not as a private military organization (PMC), but in the mode of private-state partnership ... to solve socially and state important tasks on mutually beneficial terms.

              Under this and the legislative framework is easier and easier to choose ....

              To formulate additional qualification requirements, call them reservists and "mobilize" for specific tasks, adjusting the relevant legislation.
              The most problematic place here is "socially and state-significant tasks." We still have to somehow manage to transfer the oligarchs from the “state” group to the “society” group, otherwise there will be no sense anyway.
        3. Olgovich
          Olgovich 16 February 2018 11: 28
          +7
          Quote: Pax tecum
          It would be better in GosFool thought about giving legal status to volunteers

          State THOUGHT-The highest legislative body of Russia. Do not like it, re-elect, but do not insult.
          Quote: Pax tecum
          mythical PMCs.

          Objectively-broken convoy worked against the opponents of Russia in Syria.
          And its defeat is the weakening of the forces of the allies of Russia (and, accordingly, Russia) and the strengthening of the United States. And this is a fait accompli.
          And you can say as much as you like that “I am not me and the hut is not mine”, but in the world this battle is perceived precisely as the defeat of Russia.
          Since Russia is participating in Syria, then such columns must be coordinated.
          If Russia had not been officially there, there would have been a completely different question.
          1. Pax tecum
            Pax tecum 16 February 2018 12: 30
            +10
            As for the State Duma (r) s.
            1. Everyone has their own beliefs.
            I respected the supreme legislative body of the USSR / RSFSR for how it was formed, and people's deputies worked in the real sector of the economy.
            And now - this is a sinecure, from the "professional" elect.
            2. "Insult" in this context to the contents of the "body".
            3. Do you know the contents of this "legislative body" well? You can bow down, your right.
            4. It was this “organ” (in the person of its representatives, such as Matvienko, etc.) that promised to introduce the term “volunteers” (withdraw the composition from the Criminal Code) in 2014, and how did the “acute phase” go, the fear from the Russian Spring passed, so quickly and skillfully forgot about what was said.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 16 February 2018 13: 21
              +2
              Quote: Pax tecum
              I respected the supreme legislative body of the USSR / RSFSR for the way he formed, and deputies worked in the real sector of the economy.

              It was NOT formed at all - there were only communists, district committees and above appointed. There were NOT elections, from the word at all.
              Quote: Pax tecum
              And now - this is a sinecure, from the "professional" elect.

              CHOOSE OTHERS. Today is freedom!
              1. Petr1968
                Petr1968 16 February 2018 14: 31
                +4
                Quote: Olgovich
                CHOOSE OTHERS. Today is freedom

                Navalny showed that you are mistaken.
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 16 February 2018 15: 03
                  +2
                  Quote: Petr1968
                  Navalny showed

                  criminal
                  1. Petr1968
                    Petr1968 16 February 2018 17: 00
                    +2
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    criminal

                    It’s funny. Mer Ekaterinburg generally sat.
                    1. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 17 February 2018 07: 07
                      0
                      Quote: Petr1968
                      Mer Ekaterinburg generally sat.

                      Served.
            2. igorka357
              igorka357 16 February 2018 13: 22
              +1
              I know the content of the law of this body, but I do not need to know the contents of its inhabitants!
            3. businessv
              businessv 17 February 2018 00: 10
              +4
              Quote: Pax tecum
              As for the State Duma (r) s.
              1. Everyone has their own beliefs.
              I respected the supreme legislative body of the USSR / RSFSR for how it was formed, and people's deputies worked in the real sector of the economy.

              Friends, like grown-up people, and city hz. what! What does the composition of the State Duma have to do with it? You may not respect the people who work there, but you must respect the legislature itself, as well as the President, even if you do not respect him as a person. The composition of these bodies (posts) is elective, which means that the people who serve in them are chosen by us and you, including, even if you did not personally go to the polls. This alone should deserve the respect of any citizen of the country for this institution of power. Do you really think that you alone understand what the people you have chosen do?))
        4. igorka357
          igorka357 16 February 2018 11: 47
          +2
          Read article 359..and don’t bring nonsense, a volunteer who’s fighting not for money and who has proved this, no court will condemn ... the presumption however! And it will be easy to prove to a volunteer, but the prosecutor’s office, on the contrary, is very difficult!
          1. Pax tecum
            Pax tecum 16 February 2018 12: 43
            +4
            Indeed, in Russia for a long time the article 359 of the Criminal Code was considered not working.
            Example. There were a lot of mercenaries in Chechnya, but those whom they managed to judge were "closed" for banditry, terrorism, extremism ... But, not according to 359!
            And so! Oh miracle! Article earned in 2014 d. coincidence? Or an indication?
            For the two leaders of the Slavic Corps (the first incarnation of Wagner PMC, as some conspiracy-minded citizens say) Vadim Gusev and Evgeny Sidorov, the trip to Syria ended in criminal cases and sentences with real sentences.
          2. shoemaker
            shoemaker 16 February 2018 19: 04
            0
            In the Baltic countries, in the Republic of Belarus and in Serbia, several volunteers (who were not representatives of PMCs) have already been convicted under the article “mercenary”. A similar article is in the Criminal Code.
        5. a.sirin
          a.sirin 16 February 2018 12: 29
          +5
          A "volunteer" cannot have a status. Because he is a volunteer. Just as there can be no status for a person who has rushed to save children in a fire. This is a state of mind and they don’t pay money for it.
          1. igorka357
            igorka357 16 February 2018 13: 14
            +2
            Sorry, of course, but some people think that Putin should be assigned the status of a volunteer, and then the status of a veteran ... and then the conversation about immunity will begin .... these are the "wars" of the homeland !!!
          2. Pax tecum
            Pax tecum 16 February 2018 14: 06
            +4
            Quote: a.sirin
            A "volunteer" cannot have a status. Because he is a volunteer.

            For those who are especially dull: (from the previous comment) The key here is “volunteer status” (that, you wouldn’t have taken the punitive organs of your state for quandaries when you went to fight for your brother), and not the status of “WBD”.
            And yet, in the history of our country there were times when volunteers (even on a rotational basis) were supported by the state. During the Spanish Civil War, for example.
            Well, it means that you are a very narrow-minded person, if you really believe that the voluntary movement does not need to take a regular form.

            And, a volunteer is already, in fact, a status, but not legally secured.
          3. iouris
            iouris 18 February 2018 00: 44
            0
            Quote: a.sirin
            A "volunteer" cannot have a status.

            Can. For example, the status of a criminal. A volunteer is a participant in a civil war.
            As you can understand, PMCs are mercenaries working for "domestic" oil and gas companies in the "fields". But the Americans control the "fields", and using PMCs against US-backed forces is sheer madness. PMCs that have aerospace support are special operations forces.
            In short, you must first agree on such concepts as PMCs, as well as democracy, liberalism, and then on the list.
          4. Petr1968
            Petr1968 19 February 2018 13: 46
            0
            Quote: a.sirin
            A "volunteer" cannot have a status. Because he is a volunteer. Just as there can be no status for a person who has rushed to save children in a fire. This is a state of mind and they don’t pay money for it.

            Like the pirates?)) In Russia there is no concept of PMCs, there are organized crime groups. Mercenaries are the most common group. Squeeze business and money in foreign countries.
      2. Larisa Byvsheva
        Larisa Byvsheva 16 February 2018 12: 24
        0
        The truth about the death of the AN-148 will appear in a year, as with the Sochi plane.
        1. iouris
          iouris 18 February 2018 00: 46
          0
          And what about the “Sochi plane”?
    2. SPACE
      SPACE 16 February 2018 08: 14
      +9
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      you don’t know who to believe anymore

      You don’t know who to believe, then it’s better not to believe anyone, at least do not take on faith, do not draw conclusions and do not stars, to the right and left ...
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 16 February 2018 10: 23
        +16
        don't stars, right and left ..
        and even better, Mr. Cosmos, turn off the Internet and throw out the TV. We also destroyed the country with the help of lies in 1991.
        1. SPACE
          SPACE 16 February 2018 10: 54
          +6
          Quote: Gardamir
          Mr. Cosmos

          I prefer a friend, but for you the Tambov wolf ...
          Quote: Gardamir
          We also destroyed the country in 1991 with the help of lies.

          With the help of lies, a country can be destroyed only if it is full of idiots.
          Quote: Gardamir
          turn off the Internet and throw out the TV

          And apparently, they multiply in the head with a TV.
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 16 February 2018 11: 16
            +8
            but for you the tambov wolf
            better Vyatka
            only if it is full of idiots.
            or gullible. an honest person does not think that they can deceive him. The Bolsheviks kept their promises, but gentlemen Gorbachev-Yeltsin-Putin did not call us into capitalism, we were promised market socialism. Lied, as in the case of PMCs
            1. igorka357
              igorka357 16 February 2018 12: 09
              +1
              And what did they lie to you in the case of PMCs ... well ... tell me? And by the way ... do not forget that Russia, when Yeltsin was replaced, left the largest stabilization fund ... to Putin ... well ... and I think realize yourself, although I am absolutely against Yeltsin, but you need to look at things truthfully and objectively!
              1. You Vlad
                You Vlad 16 February 2018 12: 35
                +3
                Quote: igorka357
                And by the way ... do not forget that Russia, when Yeltsin was replaced, left the largest stabilization fund ... to Putin ... well ... and I think you’ll realize

                Yes, brother, we realize that you are lying like you breathe! The stabilization fund was created only in 2000 lol
                Quote: igorka357
                but one must look at things truthfully and objectively

                In what! Before provocateurs put to the wall, and now we put them pluses!
                Quote: igorka357
                enough idiots in her government!

                To you to the government as to china cancer yes
                1. igorka357
                  igorka357 16 February 2018 13: 26
                  0
                  C'mon, and right when the GDP came to power? Oh, how ridiculous, and from it immediately money for the second successful Chechen yes, well, what kind of baby talk, I’m gonna be touched by a child .. winked ! Secondly, de = billushka, I’m worth your pluses, and there’s not a single one there! And thirdly, yes ... I don’t care about the government before China, and that’s why de = billushka I’m not there !! !!
                  1. You Vlad
                    You Vlad 16 February 2018 13: 30
                    +3
                    Quote: igorka357
                    C'mon, and right when the GDP came to power? Oh, how ridiculous, and from it immediately money for the second successful Chechen yes, well, what kind of baby talk, I’m gonna be touched by a child ..

                    Baby wink I have all the moves recorded!
                    History, background of the stabilization fund
                    In the second half of 1999, oil prices in the world for the first time in several years rose above $ 20 per barrel. Thanks to this, the revenue of oil companies, tax deductions and the volume of export customs duties paid began to grow. According to the Ministry of Finance, in 2000, additional revenues from rising oil prices amounted to 300 billion, and in 2001 - 397 billion rubles. These incomes were immediately sent to pay off external debt to the budget. As the debt was paid, this led to the appearance of excessive cash liquidity and, accordingly, high inflation with an excessive appreciation of the ruble. This, in turn, prevented the development of an industry not related to the export of resources.
                    On April 3, 2001, in his Address to the Federal Assembly, Russian President Vladimir Putin proposed, within the framework of the budget reform, to create a reserve made up of "revenues associated with favorable foreign economic conditions." According to the president’s plan, the reserve was to ensure "stable development in less favorable years," and also be used "to solve large-scale strategic tasks." After that, the Ministry of Finance began developing the concept of such a budget reserve. The sample was a fund for the accumulation of oil revenues operating in Norway.
                    On July 24, 2003, Finance Minister Alexei Kudrin told Putin that his department was ready to submit a bill on the Stabilization Fund to the State Duma. As the minister noted then, the fund should have made it possible "to better predict the macroeconomic situation in the country, eliminate risks for the medium and long term, and increase confidence in the Russian economy."
                    Sing on holub tongue


                    Read more on TASS: in your groove
                    http://tass.ru/info/4918191
                    1. igorka357
                      igorka357 16 February 2018 14: 05
                      0
                      Ah ha ha ha ha laughing laughing laughing ... the Russian stabilization fund transferred by Yeltsin to Vladimir Putin ... didn’t consist of oil prices, neighing ... I swear !!! It consisted of debts that Yeltsin had collected from the West for all sorts of buns in the form of relief for our country, and which ... debts, I mean, Vladimir Putin successfully blocked the rising oil prices and enriched the country several times, well, if I may say so ... well, you are a layman! I put it purely in Russian, without any interest, and ..and a tsifer ...! AAAA here they are, specialists in VO ... laughing
                      1. You Vlad
                        You Vlad 16 February 2018 14: 11
                        +2
                        I have all the moves recorded.
                        Quote: igorka357
                        And by the way ... do not forget that Russia, when Yeltsin was replaced, left the largest stabilization fund ... to Putin ... well ... and I think you yourself realize, although I am absolutely against Yeltsin, but you need to look at things truthfully and objectively!
              2. Gardamir
                Gardamir 16 February 2018 13: 06
                +8
                And what did you lie in the case of PMCs ... well ... tell me?
                first ichtham, then ichtham5, I suspect that soon there will be more of them.
          2. igorka357
            igorka357 16 February 2018 12: 05
            0
            Wait, do not insult your opponent, not in the whole country ... but enough idiots in her government!
        2. SERGEY KOZLOV
          SERGEY KOZLOV 16 February 2018 11: 11
          +2
          There would be ears without a head, and there will always be noodles.
        3. igorka357
          igorka357 16 February 2018 12: 04
          +5
          Eee is not my friend, then they destroyed it financially, with the help of Jeans-Grooming Kakola, now our partners are stupidly killing us informationally! And there would be an order ... we would trample trains from Siberia, but we didn’t know nichrome ... what’s in the capital Matushka. ..so in the evening after the shift..telek, some coup, they want to change something there! We all remember the real USSR, and for that then we lived and tried!
          1. Pax tecum
            Pax tecum 16 February 2018 12: 52
            +1
            ... then they destroyed it financially, with the help of “jeans-grip”, now our partners are stupidly killing us informationally!

            This is just the opposite. At first, traditional values ​​and social guidelines were replaced by false ones, starting with Perestroika.
            Ideological preparation / processing always happens first.
      2. Adequate
        Adequate 16 February 2018 11: 08
        +6
        Cosmos, what is the "fight" again? :) Your opponents throw you with arguments: "Do not trust the government", "Do not trust the special commissions consisting of experts", "They lie to us all." In their defense, they give a very "weighty argument": "I think so," "Eyewitnesses said from the screens that the plane fell like a torch. The FSB definitely blew up the election" (although there is a video where you can see that the plane exploded in a collision with the ground) , "So this is obvious when you think about it." Space, I had enough dialogues with these people in the last forum thread. Logic doesn’t live with them, common sense doesn’t go to visit them, they don’t know such a word. If they are sure that 2 + 2 = 5. You will never prove to them that 2 + 2 = 4. They are generally unable to perceive complex things, from the word at all. Good luck in dialogue with people who perceive reality from the perspective of "I think so, it means it is," for them the facts do not matter at all.
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 16 February 2018 11: 20
          +5
          Cosmos, what is the "fight" again? :)
          Who called you? They insulted everyone in bulk and rode off
          1. Adequate
            Adequate 16 February 2018 12: 00
            +3
            I don’t have to call, I decide when to come. In the last forum thread, I ended the dialogue with the people with whom he led. Perhaps for someone my words were offensive, but my opponents expressed opinions contrary to common sense. I pointed it out to them.
          2. You Vlad
            You Vlad 16 February 2018 12: 46
            +3
            Quote: Gardamir
            Who called you? They insulted everyone in bulk and rode off

            Can I offend you? belay
            1. Gardamir
              Gardamir 16 February 2018 13: 05
              +2
              Can I offend you?
              but I'm not talking to myself.) Reread a message adequate above. he is one adequate, and everything around is twice two ...
              1. You Vlad
                You Vlad 16 February 2018 13: 08
                +4
                Quote: Gardamir
                he is one adequate

                Well, he's not the only one here adequate yes
                Quote: Gardamir
                and all around twice two ...

                You know better wink
        2. SPACE
          SPACE 16 February 2018 12: 43
          +4
          Quote: Adequate
          Cosmos, what is the "fight" again? :)

          Something like the next session of the expulsion of stupidity wassat
          Quote: Adequate
          Space, I had enough dialogues with these people in the last forum thread. The logic doesn’t live with them, common sense doesn’t go to visit them,

          What to do, the stupidity itself is indestructible, but the carriers ... there are two ways for a fool to either grow wiser, or consider what is lost. laughing hi
          R.s. The second law of stupidity states, "The likelihood that a person is stupid does not depend on his other qualities"
          1. businessv
            businessv 17 February 2018 00: 25
            0
            Quote: SPACE
            R.s. The second law of stupidity states, "The likelihood that a person is stupid does not depend on his other qualities"

            I do not remember, unfortunately, the author, but IMHO he voiced the definition of stupidity remarkably: "stupidity has no boundaries - where it set foot, there is its territory!"
      3. Mikhail Zubkov
        Mikhail Zubkov 16 February 2018 16: 04
        +1
        This is what you practice, shaking mattresses. Right and left, literate. Do not make “space” conclusions, “space”, our PMCs are not your killer hirelings, so wait for a responsible response. The ball is round, and your killers or Russian executioners and provocateurs will have to shake all over the ball. And we will press Syria from you! Already squeezed out!
        1. Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)
          Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg) 20 February 2018 16: 53
          0
          Give me one hat? You, as I see, have a lot, but I collect.
    3. You Vlad
      You Vlad 16 February 2018 11: 58
      +2
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      interesting time we live (or live) to lie, it has become the rule of "good taste" ... the heads of state lie, the journalists lie, they lie from the screens, they lie from each iron ... they lie ... they lie ... they lie ... how to live then? I'm serious.

      Yes, as usual, they live in wartime, you relaxed .. The war is on, but so far it has been conducted by other methods ..
    4. Larisa Byvsheva
      Larisa Byvsheva 16 February 2018 12: 21
      +4
      Dumb article!
    5. AllXVahhaB
      AllXVahhaB 16 February 2018 16: 38
      0
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      you don’t know who to believe, around deception, at all levels, at an interesting time we live (or live) to lie, it has become the rule of "good taste" ... the heads of state lie, the journalists lie, the lies from the screens, the lies from each iron ... lie ... lie ... lie ... how to live that? I'm serious.

      And when in history it was different?
    6. New Year day
      New Year day 16 February 2018 18: 25
      +1
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      you don’t know who to believe anymore


      since there is war and there are soldiers, that is, those killed.
    7. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 16 February 2018 20: 54
      +3
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      very convincing guys ... like all the "news" about the "wagner". you don’t know who to believe, around deception, at all levels, at an interesting time we live (or live) to lie, it has become the rule of "good taste" ... the heads of state lie, the journalists lie, the lies from the screens, the lies from each iron ... lie ... lie ... lie ... how to live that? I'm serious. sad

      Andrei Yuryevich, I can’t disagree with you - everyone lies, and even the authors of the article. And, if they don’t lie, then they don’t agree on something. The article is replete with omissions, understatement, contradictions. I had to re-read the article twice


      = What is the point of Russia spending a lot of money on PMC employees? Pleasure is extremely expensive. 200-240 thousand in rubles - this is only the salary of a mercenary. Depending on the position. Yes, plus up to 100% surcharge for operations. Total? But there is also a headquarters, company management, owners. What will the company of mercenaries cost? From ... -
      Yes, indeed, only an oligarch can afford such a thing. And who will allow him to form such a combat unit? After all, this is a private "army". This is dangerous for the authorities. In a private security company there are 1,5 to 2 dozen employees, and their weapons, if by law, are short-barrel.
      A PMC can only afford the state. The company seems to be private, but on the balance of MO. And there is a need. And if the Wagner PMC is a reality, and not an idle fiction, then it, fulfilling the task of a private person (for example, the Syrian oil magnate and, besides, for a certain bribe), could not help but get approval from the command of the Russian group of forces in Syria.
      = Some fairly literate readers who have read books by Western, or rather, American writers about PMCs, tell us about the long-standing method of PMCs instead of the army in the West. Indeed, in some cases, when it is impossible to shine one's own aircraft, they buy (they buy) soldiers of fortune. Wild geese. And they have surgery for money. =
      Those. the authors do not deny, let’s say so, the desirability for the state to always have PMCs at hand.
      And right there they intimidate the reader with articles on mercenarism.
      = And the people, smearing snot in the face because of the dead, will happily clap their hands from the adoption of the law, which will protect such guys here. = That is are these bad guys Are the guys who, in conditions in which it is impossible to use the MTR, conduct operations in the interests of Russia, bad?
      And how do you like such a pearl -
      = Participation in battles on the side of the Syrian army - is this the interests of Russia? Russia's interests are protected by the Russian army. =
      Dashingly twisted, is not it? It turns out that the Russian Aerospace Forces helping the Syrian army in the fight against barmales is not in Russia's interests? I can give you a bunch of absurdities in the article, but anyone who wants it will find them by reading the article carefully.
      P.I.S.I. None of those present on the forum knows what really happened there. Were there PMCs "Wagner", are there, our guys died there, aren't there. If - yes, then - we grieve.
      P.I.S., P.I.S.I. I suppose - PMCs of Russia are necessary, under the auspices of the Moscow Region. Future officers, commanders of regiments and higher, preferably, of course voluntarily, must go through PMCs or MTRs
      I do not think that the "salary" of a PMC fighter is very different from the "salary" of a MTR fighter.
    8. Nikolay Fedorov
      Nikolay Fedorov 17 February 2018 17: 10
      +1
      Quote: Andrew Y.
      Authors: Alexander Staver, Roman Skomorokhov
      very convincing guys ... like all the "news" about the "wagner". you don’t know who to believe, around deception, at all levels, at an interesting time we live (or live) to lie, it has become the rule of "good taste" ... the heads of state lie, the journalists lie, they lie from the screens, they lie from every iron ... lie ... lie ... lie ... how to live that? I'm serious. sad

      You do not regret yourself at all; you think all about Russia; you need to rest, Andrey Yuryevich.
      Sleep well, give your wife a gorgeous bouquet of flowers, bring the children to the water park, buy your dog a hefty piece of meat, feed a dozen cats on the street. And the depresnyak will leave, you feel better. The main thing is to do your job and do it well and professionally. And do not lie yourself.
  2. Mar.Tirah
    Mar.Tirah 16 February 2018 06: 44
    +11
    I agree. PMCs are a double-edged sword. See what PSCs get up in the country? And yet when they die in the fight against militants in Syria, especially supported by the Americans, I don’t care who they are, Russians or Ukrainians, and what organization they are. They are on our side. Prilepin correctly said. They are pulling two wars. Both in the Donbass and in Syria.
    1. Victor jnnjdfy
      Victor jnnjdfy 16 February 2018 07: 26
      +16
      Pull. They are paid good money for it. In some places, the interests of their owner (private company) coincide with the interests of Russia, and in some places they may go against them. Since we do not have laws on PMCs, there is no clear regulation of the company. The owner of the company is also engaged in cleaning and food supply for the Russian Army. In addition, according to rumors, he still began to build military facilities. What is his relationship with the leadership of the Russian Defense Ministry? Why were the actions of PMCs in Syria not coordinated with the Defense Ministry? Why does the MO do not know what PMCs are doing? It is clear that there are no laws, but it is possible to solve these issues even without laws. It would be a desire ... And it looks like a conflict of interests between the Moscow Region and an authoritative businessman. And our citizens with weapons in their hands in a foreign country turned out to be a bargaining chip in these showdowns.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 16 February 2018 09: 57
        +4
        And our citizens with weapons in their hands in a foreign country turned out to be a bargaining chip in these showdowns.
        that's it! And do not forget about the situation in the country. Not everything is so good, but there is an opportunity to earn some money, but no one thought that there was an opportunity to die. And the fact that the Moscow Region, like the Olympics, decided to sit aside is mean ...
      2. Ascetic
        Ascetic 16 February 2018 11: 14
        +15
        Quote: Victor Jnnjdfy
        And so it looks like a conflict of interests between the Moscow Region and an authoritative businessman. And our citizens with weapons in their hands in a foreign country turned out to be a bargaining chip in these showdowns.

        And here is the MO? Is MoD a customer of the operation to squeeze oil derricks from the Kurds and pay accordingly? It is unlikely .. And somehow Americans suspiciously seriously entered directly for the Kurds, although something is not visible in the same Afrin. And if we are to respond to claims to the Moscow Region, PMCs are created so that the authorities can remain silent. adopted around the world, where PMCs exist within the framework of the law. Has anyone heard of the loss of American or British PMCs in Syria? And there decently they crumbled up apparently. Maybe this blow was revenge for the loss of the Americans? Who knows...
        The losses of Academy / Blackwater in Afghanistan alone - there are such estimates - have been around 2001 since 1400. According to other sources, 1400 are the Academy's total losses in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria since 2001.

        And nothing, nobody burns the striped flags at the White House and throws medals on the presidential porch. Moreover, immigrants from almost all over the world are fighting there, and probably even the owners do not know the real losses, if there is a demand for Americans, then the rest for them is cannon fodder, for sure there are also Russian citizens there.
        Our liberoids at first screamed that our soldiers were dying in Syria for the interests of Gazprom, citing the example of PMC pros from their beloved United States, now that the pros are fighting, including for the interests of Russia, tearing vests "what a horror, shame on the authorities that left to their own devices the fate of their citizens and made them a bargaining chip. " Where is the logic here?
        In addition, let’s not forget that now there is a world war in which almost all large states are directly or indirectly involved. Syria is just one of its fronts, if we retreat here, then Afghanistan and Central Asia, then the Caucasus and then Russia. Therefore, in Syria, we are fighting not for the interests of Gazprom but for our existence, for the right to simply be a single sovereign country and not plunge into the controlled chaos and darkness that our enemies are preparing for us
        These are the forecasts that gave us in 2015.
        [Quote] It is unlikely that the Russian Federation in its present form will survive. Russia's inability to turn profit from energy exports into a sustainable economy makes it vulnerable to fluctuations in hydrocarbon prices. The Russian Federation has no way to protect itself from these market processes. This will lead to a repetition of the Soviet experience of the 1980s and 1990s, when Moscow lost its ability to maintain state infrastructure. All this will force the regions to escape from problems on their own, forming formal and informal autonomous associations. Economic ties between Moscow and the periphery will weaken, leading to the biggest crisis of the next decade.The United States will have to work out some kind of military solution, which is hard to imagine right now, put up with the threat of accidental launches or create a stable and economically sustainable government in the nuclear regions, to then eventually neutralize the missiles non-military way. Now it’s hard to say how this situation will develop. But given our forecast - the fragmentation of Russia - in the next ten years this problem will have to be solved in one way or another.
        [/ Quote]
        The world of the coming decade: translation of the Stratfor forecast for 2015-2025
        Therefore, our volunteers in the Donbass, PMC fighters, as it were, did not treat them, give us the right to live in peace. These are simple Russian men who may not have found themselves in peaceful life, but have the right to be remembered and considered heroes. .Let the state forget about them, we must remember their feat, for the homeland is not only the state of the Russian Federation, but we are its citizens.
        Eternal memory to unknown heroes, soldiers and men
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 16 February 2018 11: 32
          +1
          Is MoD a customer of the operation to squeeze oil derricks from the Kurds and pay accordingly?
          If there wasn’t a “patriotic” MO, PMC would not have been remembered. The same Russian PMCs in Libya and no one is interested.
          Here is a specific message from Washington, we wet yours, and you won’t do anything to us.
        2. Victor jnnjdfy
          Victor jnnjdfy 16 February 2018 12: 39
          +3
          Oh sorry, removed the comment of the person who put everything on the shelves. He also put the "deuce for two" to the authors of the article, for which, probably, he paid. Short. From the point of view of international law. PMCs can guard or teach how to fight, but it itself is not fighting. If it is at war, then this is not PMCs, but mercenaries.
        3. businessv
          businessv 17 February 2018 00: 42
          0
          Quote: Ascetic
          Eternal memory to unknown heroes, soldiers and men

          Sensibly! Bravo!
      3. Lars971a
        Lars971a 16 February 2018 11: 17
        +6
        I agree with you, I will add. 1 The use of armed force should be only with the state and no one else should have it ironically. 2 If, nevertheless, the state allows the use of PMCs, this should be strictly regulated, and not so that every gopher is an agronomist. 3 What kind of military operation is it in the territory of another country, where PMCs act as it wants, what kind of Makhnovschina, we are the State or what. 4 If we are the State, then this is PMCs that harmed the political interests of the country should be removed from Syria, and the leadership should be brought in according to the law. she wants, without the consent of the headquarters.
      4. igorka357
        igorka357 16 February 2018 12: 11
        0
        Where ... where are the pros for a competent and balanced comment !!! ????
      5. Larisa Byvsheva
        Larisa Byvsheva 16 February 2018 12: 25
        0
        Sitting on the couch is a good hang out.
    2. Petr1968
      Petr1968 16 February 2018 12: 19
      +1
      Quote: Mar. Tira
      They are on our side. Prilepin correctly said. They are pulling two wars. Both in the Donbass and in Syria.

      Where does the data come from, that they are on our side?
      From the article I realized:
      1) do not interact with the Ministry of Defense of Russia
      2) many Ukrainians (that is still our side)
      3) work on goals by order of their employer, and not the Russian government
      And now tell me why all of a sudden mercenaries from all over the world (most of the enemies of Russia will suddenly fight for the interests of Russia, which DOES NOT PAY for them, do not supply weapons and DO NOT RECOGNIZE at all ???
  3. elenagromova
    elenagromova 16 February 2018 06: 54
    +3
    Eternal memory to all who fell during aggression.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 16 February 2018 07: 07
      +6
      Quote: elenagromova
      Eternal memory to all who fell during aggression.

      certainly ... but agree Lena, there is a moral and ethical flip side of this "coin" ...- mercenaries, money ... what to do with it? people who have taken up arms for money know what they are going to, they can refuse them, they may not be buried, and so on ...
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        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 16 February 2018 07: 25
          +5
          Quote: elenagromova
          Mercenaries are fighting in the anti-Syrian "opposition". Those who fight for the interests of Russia are volunteers, internationalists, and militias. You can’t call our fellow citizens such a rude word.

          about how ... however ... double standards? okay ... I agree, they don’t fall under the definition, but what is the point?
          1. elenagromova
            elenagromova 16 February 2018 07: 28
            +9
            If the US has detachments that are “as it were, no,” how can you be left behind? We will always be all so honest, and our warriors and our allies will be smashed ... it is not clear who. If the enemy uses dirty methods, then you can not fight him with absolutely clean hands.
            1. Andrey Yuryevich
              Andrey Yuryevich 16 February 2018 07: 41
              +4
              take a bad example, a bad tone ... in my opinion. request did the Syrian government officially ask for help? why then these perversions? there are no volunteers? even as there are. Afghan example.
              1. elenagromova
                elenagromova 16 February 2018 07: 44
                +5
                I really would like a beautiful and clean war (from our side). But ... In a one-sided, beautiful and clean war, Yugoslavia lost out ... It lost Iraq. Lost Libya. We have to take the "bad example" if necessary.
                1. Andrey Yuryevich
                  Andrey Yuryevich 16 February 2018 07: 50
                  +4
                  well-well-well ... "PMCs" didn’t work there rather robbed museums ... (Iraq) and Yugoslavia and Libya were "democratized" from the air, also not PMCs, "Lena has no logic for you, excuse me. hi
                2. Larisa Byvsheva
                  Larisa Byvsheva 16 February 2018 12: 27
                  0
                  Beautiful and clean war ?! Or maybe smart? !!
              2. Mar.Tirah
                Mar.Tirah 16 February 2018 07: 57
                +1
                This is what Americans play on. We say we are not hiding openly showing ourselves in Syria, here is a red line that you shouldn’t stand up for. We climbed, we got a snot. How did it happen, let the GRU analysts and the General Staff think it? But it turns out that we and our illegal units were outlawed. Therefore, these units could not receive legal support from the Russian Aerospace Forces. Stripes also study, and learned the lessons of Crimea and Donbass. Once "they are not there," therefore blame yourself .That is the tragedy of this battle!
                1. domokl
                  domokl 16 February 2018 08: 14
                  +7
                  What the hell illegal divisions? PMCs are working on business. And guard the business. Where did the convoy go? to free people or to seize oil?
                  1. Mar.Tirah
                    Mar.Tirah 16 February 2018 08: 39
                    +2
                    And this depends on whose information you believe in the media? For example, I believe the Russian Defense Ministry, apparently you don’t. 40 Syrians from local tribes, 14 Syrian military, 1 Syrian brigadier general, 20 ISIS hunter fighters and several PMC employees killed. Did you see the owner of the oil tycoon?
                    1. domokl
                      domokl 16 February 2018 09: 04
                      +8
                      So where was the column going to? Which area? Who controls this area and what is there? And why did the Americans react like that? Do not "jump off the car" ...
                      1. Mar.Tirah
                        Mar.Tirah 16 February 2018 09: 41
                        +1
                        This is no longer a car, but a whole train. It feels like the topic will not close. The authors hurried. Therefore, they know for sure only in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. But they are silent. And they are doing it right. Here read one of the versions. Http: // www. mk.ru/politics/2018/02/14/za-ch
                        to-pogibli-boycy-chvk-vagnera-zagadka-zavoda-cono
                        co.html
                    2. Lars971a
                      Lars971a 16 February 2018 11: 25
                      +7
                      But I don’t believe anyone anymore. At first, Mr. Lavrov said that he didn’t know anything, Peskov added that the Kremlin didn’t have it, and finally, Mrs. Zakharova told the mountain that all the same, 5 Russian citizens had died
              3. Esoteric
                Esoteric 16 February 2018 11: 08
                0
                Quote: Andrey Yurievich
                there are no volunteers? even as there are. Afghan example.

                Andrei Yuryevich, and if you also equip these young volunteers so that they can withstand any threat through the military-industrial complex? Or is there no desire to establish the release of anonymized weapons? People who know how to fight should not measure their skills only with high pay. The moral aspect is no less important here. Namely, the goals for which they are fighting.
            2. Petr1968
              Petr1968 16 February 2018 17: 01
              0
              Quote: elenagromova
              If the US has units that are “as if not”

              They have them.
        2. Dr_engie
          Dr_engie 16 February 2018 08: 10
          +3
          Volunteers are not those who fight for hundreds of thousands. You should at least look into the dictionary.
      2. Sotskiy
        Sotskiy 16 February 2018 09: 04
        +2
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        there is a moral and ethical flip side of this "coin" ...- mercenaries, money ... what to do with it?

        I do not strongly insist on my opinion, since I do not know the current order in the RF Armed Forces, but before there was an appeal, oath, and duty of every citizen .... Now it’s a contract. What to do with this? It’s not for money, though through an official agreement with the state?
        If so, then everything depends on a formal contract, which cannot be, since it is not approved by law?
  4. Shurale
    Shurale 16 February 2018 06: 56
    +18
    In my opinion, the main problem that raises the wave of discussions is the statement of our generals, in response to a request from the Americans - what the hell is going on and who is shelling our soldiers? - Russian troops are not there! Then followed by shelling with deaths. And they are trying hard to force us to turn our attention to all sorts of crap, politics, legal proceedings and supposedly lies of liberals ...
    WHO STATED TO THE AMERICANS THAT THERE ARE NOT OUR PEOPLE ??????? NAME OF SISTER! NAME!
    1. domokl
      domokl 16 February 2018 07: 09
      +10
      Employees of private military companies are not military personnel. Did the generals lie?
      1. Shurale
        Shurale 16 February 2018 07: 14
        +14
        That's the answer to the wives and children of these Russians ... I see by rank you are a general, are you defending your own? )))))
        1. domokl
          domokl 16 February 2018 08: 33
          +13
          Quote: Shurale
          So the wives and children of these Russians will answer.

          Before the general did not reach the rank ((((Mind was not enough. A shoulder straps on the site is only an indicator of activity.
          And about the children of the victims. When they signed a contract to participate in the war for the big money of the children asked? and wives? Or did not know that when you shoot, then expect that they will shoot at you. By the way, those whom they killed also have wives and children ...
          Civil war, where everyone has their own truth
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 16 February 2018 10: 30
            +1
            When did they sign a contract to participate in the war for big money, they asked children? and wives?
            the choice is small or unemployment or risk ...
            1. domokl
              domokl 16 February 2018 10: 48
              +3
              Quote: Gardamir
              small selection

              I once watched a program about prostitutes. There, just these words were the leitmotif. In the village there are two hundred women and only one had the same choice ...
              1. Gardamir
                Gardamir 16 February 2018 11: 35
                +1
                program about prostitutes
                transmission from the 90s. Everyone survives as they can. Judging by those five, none of them was a specialist in military affairs.
        2. Servisinzhener
          Servisinzhener 16 February 2018 08: 40
          +3
          First, were they all citizens of Russia? Secondly, they themselves and their relatives didn’t know what kind of work they got? And what is the specificity of this work?
          1. domokl
            domokl 16 February 2018 09: 06
            +5
            Quote: Servisinzhener
            were they all citizens of Russia?

            Not all. Everyone who has combat experience or experience of participation in military conflicts goes into such structures. In particular, the citizens of Ukraine, who fought in the Donbas.
      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 16 February 2018 07: 18
        +12
        Quote: domokl
        Employees of PRIVATE military companies are not military personnel.

        But they are citizens of Russia, who perform STATE tasks there. You don’t think that Assad sets tasks for them? wink
        And also a question for you, Sasha - what would the United States take if our aviation “covered” the Academi (Blackwater) PMC unit? Purely your assumptions? hi
        1. domokl
          domokl 16 February 2018 08: 15
          +10
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          But are citizens of Russia,

          And those who are not Russian citizens in the militants? So maybe for these cry?
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 16 February 2018 11: 06
            0
            Quote: domokl
            And those who are not citizens of Russia as part of the militants?

            But does it pay the same, and does the state set tasks? wink
            Sasha, do not go away from the question. hi
        2. vlad66
          vlad66 16 February 2018 08: 32
          +9
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          another question for you, Sasha - what would the United States take if our aviation “covered” the Academi (Blackwater) PMC unit? Purely your assumptions?

          Quietly would close the question, at an unofficial level, if there were a US Armed Forces there would be a war, PMCs (PRIVATE Military Company)
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          But they are citizens of Russia who perform STATE tasks there.

          Not only Russian citizens, but also many other citizens yes Did the state hire them? What tasks do they perform? Who sets them the task? Patriotism is patriotism, but they will not work for patriotism, only for money, if you have money, you can also hire to deal with neighbors who pay, and he dances, so Colleague, what were these state tasks? Squeeze the plant? And don’t believe Girkin, they will bury all Russia for a fraction of a small one and will not blink an eye. hi
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 16 February 2018 11: 09
            +6
            Quote: vlad66
            Quietly would close the question, at an unofficial level
            I doubt very much.
            Quote: vlad66
            Did the state hire them? What tasks do they perform? Who sets them the task?

            Guess three times. wink
        3. Servisinzhener
          Servisinzhener 16 February 2018 08: 37
          +1
          But are they only 100% Russian citizens or Russians, as Americans understand it?
          1. bane's jacket
            bane's jacket 16 February 2018 09: 00
            +5
            Quote: Servisinzhener
            But are they only 100% Russian citizens or Russians, as Americans understand it?

            100 percent "Russian". Americans (and Europeans) do not bother with such subtleties as: who are these people by nationality, what state passport did they have, etc. It is enough for them that the company was Russian, the commander was received and awarded in the Kremlin and they acted in the interests of Russia. Unlike the same Russians who are fighting on the side of the terrorists, who are destroyed at the earliest opportunity and whose commanders are not accepted in the Kremlin.
            Many “dumb Americans” on Twitter, on forums and in the media that have comments (such as WP), seriously do not believe that the Russians, after the Americans announced that they were going to bomb the convoy, did nothing to save their citizens and just abandoned them.
            By the way, at the same WP, in the topic about this mess there were a lot of people (I almost wrote again, Russians) with Russian nicknames who explained to “stupid Americans” that this was fake and stuffing. With "authoritative" links.

            https://cont.ws/@alex581210/850782
        4. domokl
          domokl 16 February 2018 09: 11
          +4
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          who perform there STATE tasks.

          Where did you get this? What state has set them these tasks? Russia? Syria? They signed a contract with a private person and the tasks are also set by a private person.
          Concerning the black breeders. Americans in such cases do exactly the same. I am not me and the horse is not mine. Business, nothing personal. There are many examples from the history of the United States, when PMCs were simply abandoned to their fate. This is a private business of a private company and the American people are not obliged to pay non-profitable businessmen for their mistakes in business.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 16 February 2018 11: 20
            +7
            Quote: domokl
            They signed a contract with a private person
            Of course! good
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 16 February 2018 07: 09
      +5
      Quote: Shurale
      And they are trying hard to force us to turn our attention to all sorts of crap, politics, legal proceedings and supposedly lies of liberals ...

      us quietly, forced to live "according to concepts": do not believe, do not be afraid, do not ask ...
      1. midivan
        midivan 16 February 2018 08: 49
        +3
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        we are quiet, forced to live "according to concepts": do not believe, do not be afraid,do not ask...

        yes By the way it works, I personally checked it, only for a start I have to sweat winked Greetings Yurievich hi
    3. Lynx33
      Lynx33 16 February 2018 07: 17
      +3
      And who in social networks boasted that during the capture of this oil refinery, the Wagnerites laid down Kurds and Americans? Well, we got the answer. Arrived and crumbled.
    4. Aleks2048
      Aleks2048 16 February 2018 07: 23
      +7
      Do you propose that generals from the RF Ministry of Defense cover PSC employees? I do not agree PMC workers did not go to Syria for a picnic, but went to shoot people with weapons and if someone was not aware of the risks, it was easy. Do not turn the authorities into a roof for the chop.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 16 February 2018 11: 14
        +2
        Quote: Alex2048
        Do you propose that generals from the RF Ministry of Defense cover PSC employees?

        Cool! It means to pay and set tasks (do you not think that they themselves are inventing tasks?) "Generals" can chop, but not? fool
        1. Aleks2048
          Aleks2048 16 February 2018 13: 27
          +1
          Of course, that's exactly the way it is. A mercenary for that and a mercenary so that you can always refuse him.
    5. SPACE
      SPACE 16 February 2018 08: 01
      +9
      Quote: Shurale
      In my opinion, the main problem that raises the wave of discussions is the statement of our generals, in response to a request from the Americans

      The main problem that raises the wave of discussions is a crowd of too gullible and highly excitable idiots who believes in everything, everything that is written, heard, seen, from the fence to the Americans on the moon. On the other hand, the media is the most budgetary instrument of subordination and management, for the most part, by crowds of fools, because you can’t force and buy everyone by force, it’s expensive.
      The Americans’s request and the statement of the generals can be a lie, both in fact and in allegations that such a dialogue was even your words.
      Faith at first sight is a childish naivety. If there are no other and other sources of confirmation, which means there is no faith so far, which means there wasn’t this, which means there’s nothing to talk about. Well, except that you have in mind or nothing to do.
      1. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 16 February 2018 11: 17
        +4
        Quote: SPACE
        it is a crowd of too gullible and highly excitable idites who believes in everything, everything that is written, heard, seen, from the fence to the Americans on the moon.

        Someone completely slipping into a banal corpse. For them, war is already - not war, if there are not hundreds or thousands of "two hundred", - you give a hack, yeah. And, in fact, they rest, saliva, proving the existence of a multitude of losses, only because they subconsciously want it. In their opinion, it just SHOULD BE and that’s it. And the facts and elementary logic - into the furnace. For someone else, a great opportunity to "sway the regime", as without it. And when all this is going at one time, in one place, it turns out a wild orgy with dancing on the bones. Ugh, an abomination. am
  5. Lynx33
    Lynx33 16 February 2018 07: 14
    +8
    So what? Who doesn’t understand why their husband and brother died? For the desire to get an oil company profit. How much they were promised a prize there for the oil plant that was recaptured from the Americans, was it enough for the coffin? The Americans will now hold their teeth for oil and its refining. Take the standard contract of a PMC fighter, what is written in the contract? Protection of oil facilities. And there is nothing to whine, they knew what they were signing up for.
    1. Yegorchik
      Yegorchik 16 February 2018 09: 51
      +8
      For the desire to make a profit, not just an oil company but one specific owner of this company. Who is this Mr. X? This is a man who was able to create PMCs in Russia when there is no law on PMCs, who was able to train these people at the bases of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and finance them with money of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, money laundering took place through a company registered for the mother of Putin’s friend Yevgeny Prigozhin, arm these people with tanks and artillery all this could be done only by one person, the president of the Russian Federation, Putin, he is the real owner of PMCs and it was for his oil companies that these people had to conquer the fields from the Kurds. to the death of PMC fighters.
  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 16 February 2018 07: 21
    +6
    the tantrum continues
    The authors are right - it continues and has not yet subsided. Indeed, the elections are ahead, and this is such a “gift” for the opposition, which it will not let go of its hands. What is also observed on the site, when someone discussing a topic far from Syria is someone who is sure to fit in with this. I hope that the point is set, and those who need service will make the necessary conclusions.
  7. Victor_B
    Victor_B 16 February 2018 07: 26
    +2
    Muddy is the "troops".
    How are they fundamentally different from chop-s? First of all, the scale and access and the possibility of using modern (and not) military ARMY weapons.
    I believe that the use of PMCs is intended only outside of Russia. Or inside the borders too? For example, Wahhabis in the mountains to drive?
    And what, grandmothers paid to some Wagner and only count the results and report on successes, and if the failure with the victims was “we are in the house”, the military did not suffer.
    Some "mayor of Makhachkala" or "president of free Ichkeria" already has such mini-armies. But it’s illegal. And it will be legal.
    There are many more questions than answers.
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    1. Razvedka_Boem
      Razvedka_Boem 16 February 2018 08: 20
      +4
      All the time these authors publish under the heading Analytics ..
      Although given their emotions, they belong in the Opinions section.
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 16 February 2018 08: 32
        +11
        Quote: Razvedka_Boem
        All the time these authors publish under the heading Analytics ..
        Although given their emotions, they belong in the Opinions section.

        Yes, and the writing style, so arrogant, instructive. The feeling was as if you read Jack Golovan’s comment.
      2. would
        would 16 February 2018 11: 31
        +5
        And these citizens are very touchy and are afraid of just harsh criticism in some places. The message was deleted, a warning was issued to me for an alleged insult, although I personally did not insult any of the authors of the article and did not name it, I expressed my opinion only on the merits of the article.

        Freedom of speech, what can I say.
    2. domokl
      domokl 16 February 2018 08: 26
      +6
      So who owns the PMCs? Russia as a state or a businessman who solves his own problems in making money? With whom the contract is signed? To whom the responsibility is borne. in case of failure of the task? And finally, to whom do these formations submit? Mo or someone else?
      1. would
        would 16 February 2018 11: 30
        +4
        PMCs belong to a foreign legal entity, that is, as you correctly noted to a businessman. And yes, he solves the problem of making money. They sign a contract with the other side, it can be almost anyone, a company that owns a ship that needs to go through a pirate-hazardous area, states of various countries, etc. Responsibility is most likely before him. The formation data are subordinate to their superiors, the PMCs known to me have no relation to our MO. In the United States, it seems to be related to those.

        And if you're talking about Wagner's mercenaries, then they are not PMCs, but mercenaries, the real ones. With whom exactly are they connected and how, to whom do they obey, etc. a mystery covered in darkness without clear and unambiguous answers, and I do not like speculation and thought-out. Because everywhere they write that they are connected with the Ministry of Defense, but in reality it turns out that for example with the SVR. How do I know for sure?
  9. Loess
    Loess 16 February 2018 08: 08
    +6
    I did not expect a similar article from these authors; honestly, I did not expect it. After all, they can conduct an analysis of the situation when they want. And about:
    Incidentally, the same article also hangs on many societies of civil war veterans in the Donbass.
    It seems to be true that since you are a “mercenary” - “your house is a prison”. But the state does not touch them. So not everything is so bad in our power. The main thing is that the "mercenary", while making money, act in the interests of the state.
    1. flicker
      flicker 16 February 2018 13: 54
      +2
      I did not expect a similar article from these authors
      It’s just the opposite for me, I just started reading these authors at once and came to mind.
      1. Loess
        Loess 16 February 2018 15: 24
        +1
        Quote: flicker
        It’s the opposite with me, I just started reading these authors right away and came up with

        Well, I, perhaps, will not argue my opinion in this case, otherwise I run the risk of getting another warning “for trolling” of these authors out of the blue laughing
  10. Tatanka Yotanka
    Tatanka Yotanka 16 February 2018 08: 52
    +8
    why don’t I understand, PMCs, mercenaries, have no relationship, protect the business, and state awards until the age of 14 were received?
    1. domokl
      domokl 16 February 2018 09: 15
      +4
      Awards received during the passage of military service ... By the way, Wagner is the Hero of Russia. Krapovy takes ... After the dismissal organized chop ... That's all. But this information from an Internet. What I bought ...
      1. Tatanka Yotanka
        Tatanka Yotanka 16 February 2018 09: 56
        +2
        that he is a hero, he’s not found anywhere,
        “I do not know how he is known, Dmitry really was. He is a holder of orders of Courage, he was from the Novgorod region, ”Peskov answered a question from journalists.
        only the fountain broadcasts about the rest http://www.fontanka.ru/2017/08/18/103/
        if state awards are received and for Syria why are they trying to disown them?
        by the way with the past you soldier
        1. domokl
          domokl 16 February 2018 10: 51
          +1
          Thank. Awards are not for Syria. From the army workers PMC quit. and not only from the Russian or Danish ...
          1. Tatanka Yotanka
            Tatanka Yotanka 16 February 2018 11: 15
            +4
            Quote: domokl
            No Syria Awards

            let me but
            A graduate of the Leningrad Artillery School, Andrei Troshev commanded a self-propelled artillery battery in Afghanistan in the mid-eighties.
            Having left the army, he continued his service in the St. Petersburg OMON and the SOBR GU MVD in the North-West. Member of the war in Chechnya. Cavalier of two orders of the Red Star and two orders of Courage.
            got a hero in 2016, being fired from government agencies, like Bogatov, far left, lost his hand in Syria, at that time commander of the 4th reconnaissance and assault company in Wagner PMC
  11. andj61
    andj61 16 February 2018 08: 56
    +1
    Quote: Andrew Y.
    well-well-well ... "PMCs" didn’t work there rather robbed museums ... (Iraq) and Yugoslavia and Libya were "democratized" from the air, also not PMCs, "Lena has no logic for you, excuse me. hi

    I agree. drinks But in Libya, PMCs - French and British - nevertheless marked themselves - they trained the militants and carried out special operations. hi
    1. domokl
      domokl 16 February 2018 09: 18
      +1
      In Africa there were several of them in each country. But countries were not responsible for them. They were simply hired by some, then by others ... Some are still alive. It's just a category of people like that. They do not care about the result. Process is important. Few people leave after one or two operations. Delays the game with death
  12. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 16 February 2018 09: 01
    0
    Novel, the questions raised are correct. But here I personally do not have a very good attitude towards mercenaries. Of course, you can recall Pushkin: inspiration is not for sale, but you can sell the manuscript. However, something does not allow me to treat hired personnel as military personnel, especially on conscription.
  13. Aleks2048
    Aleks2048 16 February 2018 09: 11
    +6
    The beginning of the article was so good, but the ending let us down ... The author hesitated to call a spade a spade. So in order.
    The law on PMCs is really necessary, but there should not be and cannot be any nonsense about the social protection of PMC employees. PMC is initially a commercial project, and by the way we must allow the option of bankruptcy, but what happens if PMC employees from Russia we see not in Syria and Ukraine, but say in Afghanistan or South America? And still questions arise regarding the evacuation of employees of such an outraged PMC from the country in which the war is essentially going on, by what forces and at whose expense to carry out such operations? I’m here, as a citizen of the Russian Federation, I don’t agree to pay for the evacuation of any idiots who didn’t successfully conclude a contract, wanting to cut the dough, and by the way, as a citizen of the Russian Federation, I don’t agree that my children serving in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation risk their lives in such operations. And what to do with such a mercenary who somewhere abroad fulfilling a contract killed a civilian population or not fulfilling a contract, but got drunk and killed someone? Well and so on, there are a lot of questions, this is by the way about social protection. It is necessary to clearly understand and separate the activities of PMCs from the activities of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, but other questions arise, but what about the situation if the opponents of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation conclude an agreement with such PMCs and the soldier of the Russian PMC and the PMC officer converge on the battlefield? But this is still normal, but the PMC officer of the Russian Federation is more problematic against the UN representative, who will listen to the excuses of the Russian Federation that we are not us and so on? There is still an aspect than PMCs are better than the mercenaries of which ISIS, Al Qaeda and others provide?
    Returning to the topic of the article on closing the issue of losses of Wagner PMCs in Syria, initially the state bodies of the Russian Federation did not behave correctly, being silent about the situation, and in the initial comments when they started talking about the fact that the Russian Minister of Defense didn’t only make things worse. Well, they would say directly that there are losses, but in PMCs, but we are not responsible for them.
  14. Anyone
    Anyone 16 February 2018 09: 22
    +10
    How many times have it been said that PMC employees are not members of the armed forces? Hundreds? Thousands?

    I did not know that our Armed Forces now protect themselves only. You are not, like, in the Armed Forces - let everyone cut out anyone who is lazy. The author really brings.
    Moreover, in the company itself there is no national division. Our acquaintances "from the former" are not just Russians. Former Ukrainians, citizens of unrecognized republics.

    And this is generally some disgusting pearl. Like "former Ukrainians" and "citizens of unrecognized republics" - is this the third grade of citizens who are not a pity to multiply by zero?
    Z.Y. Something nasty little article.
    1. flicker
      flicker 16 February 2018 13: 50
      +3
      Z.Y. Something nasty little article.
      Petty. Allegedly in defense of Moscow Region, they allegedly stoke for Russia - at the same time they bring such arguments that no normal person can accept. And all in order to cause negative reaction to the Defense Ministry and through it to the political leadership of Russia.
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 16 February 2018 17: 23
        +5
        The political leadership of the country has already completely discredited itself, therefore additional. there will be no negative reaction! The leadership of the Moscow Region with many of its steps is also close to discrediting.
  15. Opera
    Opera 16 February 2018 09: 31
    +10
    It’s strange for me to read this honest word all! Well, probably everyone already understood that there was no talk of hundreds or even a dozen of our compatriots who died ?! Or is it not clear yet ?! Then it’s terribly interesting to me to read about alleged lies !!! Tell me, those who write about this are so stupid or so crafty ?! Please tell me, for example, we have in various non-civilian departments there are orders whose numbers begin with, say, the numbers 00 ... Who knows, he will understand. So I have a question for moralists who can’t live from "lies" now - such official orders are lies ?! Or maybe it's just not your mind business ?! Tell me, and the recruitment of agents is a residency, and secret events undercover (special events, etc.) are also lies ?! All this in detail, the authorities should convey to some particularly compassionate and unbalanced readers of VO, otherwise they (readers) do not want to live ?! So what?! Well, I understand the panic is raised by those who are supposed to do this and I’m also sure not for free, but you are men who have served and who are serving ?! PMCs are not PMCs, volunteers, mercenaries, wild geese ... Question to some comrades - tell me, but who once fought in Korea in our time ?! PMCs, volunteers, revolutionary romantics, SA or someone else ?! And now you all know about the operations carried out there and are brilliant and not very ?! And where else were our volunteers and "volunteers" ?! And there were losses ?! So what are you doing here so simple as pencils expose ?! Here I read the comments I read and marvel at the disease of stupidity, is it some kind of or all the same cunning ?!
    1. Anyone
      Anyone 16 February 2018 10: 09
      +3
      The article is called
      How to close the topic "PMCs and reactions to events in Syria"

      In fact, this article pursues exactly the opposite goal: not to "close the topic of PMCs and reactions to events", but not to let it close. For they had already begun to forget something about the topic, and hype began to decline. And VO, if that, is the usual media, which is important rating, attendance and the number of comments. So, one more time we will see articles here, supposedly melting "points in the case of the Wagner PMC". Wang, that at least half a dozen notes will be for sure))
      1. Opera
        Opera 16 February 2018 10: 13
        +4
        Perhaps so, but here and without ratings, some pursue completely different goals! Can't you see it?
        1. You Vlad
          You Vlad 16 February 2018 13: 17
          +1
          Quote: Oper
          Perhaps so, but here and without ratings, some pursue completely different goals! Can't you see it?

          We even see quite professionally working under the mask patriots Leninists! There are many people who have registered under the topic laughingWell, this is just the beginning, it will not be breathing soon.
  16. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman 16 February 2018 09: 37
    +5
    Masterfully twirling backwards, trying to get away from solving the issue of PMCs, is equivalent to an ostrich stuffing his head in the sand.
    PMCs are exactly the same business as selling sausages, airplanes or sending the Bolshoi on a tour to London. And competition, and the clash of interests in the market, too, have not been canceled. And how to protect the interests of their commerce in the international market, immediately begin the hostilities of the RF Armed Forces? Or hire a foreign company (do we hire lawyers to defend different Olympians there, “riveting” our lawyers like dirt)? Well, ours, after all, does not need a well-paid job, and even beyond the hill. Let our "sworn partners use all the tools, and we are above this - we are in white, although our chest is covered in bloody snot, we will also put our hands far away in our pockets!
    Well, politics in the international arena is the same business as everything else, especially when officials, military or other foreign specialists are outbid.
    So the question of PMCs has matured, and not to decide - it’s what to twist your own Faberge! 9
  17. Ural resident
    Ural resident 16 February 2018 09: 38
    +10
    It is written in principle convincingly, but ...
    All the same, the old adage “no smoke without fire” applies.
    PMCs are of course a private structure, but clearly made "close" to the gods and to solve those tasks that the army should not officially solve. I doubt that, for example, I or someone else can easily create PMCs and go to fight in Syria. Where are we going to get weapons? - the security services are clearly here.
    Therefore, it is now clear that PMCs in our time of hybrid wars and their command and control solves state tasks.
    The connection with MO is obvious.
    The fact that the defeat and defeat of PMCs was obvious and this carries further risks.
    It is one thing to die in battle, winning or losing, another thing is when you were smashed like meat, and no one was covering. In addition, there are quite a few precisely the defenders of New Russia.
    Now the outflow of people and discrediting of private armies is possible, and this is against the background of aggravation in the Donbass and in Syria.
    It only means that during the offensive ukrovsk will not be able to use the Ikhtamnetov, but will have to intervene officially, and this is a completely different political situation.
    I think the Americans specifically sought out and provoked a moment for this - they are masters who can kill several birds with one stone at once.
  18. Gardamir
    Gardamir 16 February 2018 09: 46
    +6
    our defense department behaved correctly, not having gone down to the bottom with super patriots and guardians of the Russian land

    And so

    For a long time there will be debate about the number and origin of the victims in this terrible massacre. But the main points of the tragedy, I think, no one can deny. Someone sent the guys to knowingly die. According to the stories of surviving fighters, air defense support was promised (?!). Naturally, no one was going to provide this support. The guys were killed for several hours. Thoroughly, slowly rushing the survivors. And for all these long hours, knowing what was going on, the “winners” from the Moscow Region did not find “eggs” even to put electronic warfare, not to mention raising aviation, deploying air defense, shoot down American planes, but at least demonstrate determination to do so.

    Alas, the figure of 300 people is not a fake.
    And as for mercenarism, if there remains one who climbed into Syria, then he will cancel the article for mercenaries. We rewrote the collectors.
    1. Opera
      Opera 16 February 2018 09: 55
      +9
      Quote: Gardamir
      Alas, the figure of 300 people is not a fake.

      And I’m telling you that it’s not that a fake is a blatant lie! AND?
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 16 February 2018 10: 20
        +8
        And I’m telling you that it’s not that a fake is a blatant lie! AND?
        Bring your data.
        At first it was, If anyone forgot that the “drunk” Syrians themselves went on the attack and were shot there. So it was a few days, talk about the fact that there could have been Russians in principle, not like PMCs. By the way, it was also with a downed pilot, with a dead plane in the suburbs. But always under the pressure of evidence, the authorities were forced to admit. So yesterday, a certain Mo in the Louboutins recognized the death of only five so far. Why the Russian authorities were silent is understandable, but why the Americans are silent are not clear. Anyway, the Kremlin will not make any claims. apologize and pay the money.
        1. Opera
          Opera 16 February 2018 10: 53
          +7
          Well, you see!) The specific situation in Syria is being discussed here, and you and Major Filipov’s feat and civilian plane crash are on the heap! What does it have to do with it? What were you deceived again? And that’s all - power, power, power !!!! Well, you do not like the power, as it’s smarter than oppose it! You are here under the flag of the USSR! Honestly, I don’t think sincerely. Or do you prefer reading in the newspaper Pravda, how our soldiers internationalists are engaged in landscaping in Kabul and the construction of schools exclusively! By the way, even then, the enemy media “destroyed” our fighters regularly in hundreds! Forgot?
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 16 February 2018 11: 29
            +6
            It discusses the specific situation in Syria, and you and Major Filipov’s feat and a civilian airplane accident are on the heap!
            yes not on the heap. Are you an opera or a troll? If they had not proved the death of a major, then no one would have remembered about him. So now they were silent for almost ten days, suddenly five people recognized. But yesterday morning, many argued that not one. Perhaps in the evening you will change your mind.
            1. Opera
              Opera 16 February 2018 11: 45
              +4
              Well, why are you Comrade Gardamir so immediately surrender then go to the person? You really resist! After all, everyone knows if in a dispute a person turns to personality, this is the last argument of the weak. However, of course you still have in stock - d ... k himself!))))))))) Such opponents of the authorities are a godsend for her!))))) Tell me who refuted the death of our pilot that it was necessary for someone then prove it? And who has proven? And let me remind you - just yesterday many proved that there were up to 600 "dead" !!! Here you are now talking about 300 more! Now, let's do this, if you are not a troll adult, but the real Gardamir will exchange information sources! Here I have an official source of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs calling the number of dead Russian citizens not military personnel of the Russian army. I'm hearing you. Reveal your source about 300 dead ?! All the attention?
              1. Gardamir
                Gardamir 16 February 2018 13: 15
                +7
                go to the person ?!
                I just wanted to clarify where you periodically disappear for a whole year. What a sin to conceal curious me.
                You see government structures, both the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Defense Ministry have proved that they cannot be trusted. It is not sad, but opponents of Russia speak more truth. However, my "source" is not an opponent of Russia. But you’re right, we’ll wait another two days, although the Kremlin will not get to the end by agreeing to significant losses.
                About the pilot. They did not refute, but they were silent for a week. In addition, the plane was not alone, they immediately learned about the incident. And making secrets from such things is at least stupid. People stop trusting.
                1. Opera
                  Opera 16 February 2018 14: 27
                  +3
                  You are absolutely not careful! I disappear for more than a year, significantly if you mean my participation in this resource. Where am I missing ?! Yes, where the Motherland will send!)) However, your carelessness to put it mildly proves your statement about the allegedly weekly silence about the downed plane. Then you’re right in front of all the ones who didn’t care)))! Here, as they say, your obvious mistake! The information went almost immediately from official sources. Did you decide to keep silent about a civilian plane this time? You deigned to say that here again the authorities managed to deceive you?
                2. Opera
                  Opera 16 February 2018 14: 57
                  +7
                  I must tell you, Gardamir, that you are completely unable to work with information. You do it very superficially - the main thing is to make a “revealing” statement! This method is designed for people who are not mature and inexperienced! So here. Most recently, on February 12, 2018, you lamented that the MO was able to report the death of a pilot only after a day !!!!! TODAY YOU ARE REASONABLE ABOUT THAT ALREADY AFTER A WEEK !!!!!! REMEMBER TODAY! FEBRUARY 6 OF THE SAME YEAR! Those. for four days, your indignation for some reason has grown as much as 7 times?!?!?!?!?! Because you write here in public and people read it, I think you should also publicly apologize for the repeated reporting of information that is not true! Waiting for your apology. I’m ready to assume that you did this by accident and will continue to be more attentive to what you write.
        2. Servisinzhener
          Servisinzhener 16 February 2018 10: 55
          0
          And what about the plane in the suburbs? Before the black boxes were unscrambled, there were only speculation.
          1. Opera
            Opera 16 February 2018 11: 50
            +5
            Yes, they do not need decryption. A reason is needed - the plane crashed! Further on the program - the power is bad - Putin is to blame!
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        1. Opera
          Opera 16 February 2018 12: 27
          +4
          I'm definitely not a doctor!
  19. Opera
    Opera 16 February 2018 09: 58
    +7
    Quote: Gardamir
    According to the stories of surviving fighters, air defense support was promised (?!). Naturally, no one was going to provide this support.

    And you continue to duplicate this lie! For what purpose answer ?!
    1. Servisinzhener
      Servisinzhener 16 February 2018 10: 42
      +4
      I completely agree. As always, history begins to grow in pseudo-detail from supposedly informed sources. Now here is the promise of air defense given by someone unknown to anyone. Anyone can write such statements. But how true are they?
      1. Opera
        Opera 16 February 2018 11: 28
        +6
        The main canon of Goebbels propaganda was the most impudent and incredible misinformation thrown massively! They poured mud and let them later justify themselves! At the same time, there are always those who want to "open their eyes" as a commentator below! Does he bother with the search for the source of this "truth" ?! What are you ?! What little things! This ophthalmologist sees the eyes of people you see!)))))
    2. Sapiens 63
      Sapiens 63 16 February 2018 10: 51
      +2
      In order to open at least a few readers the truth, there is no question about you, you are a salary or an adherent of the sect
      1. B.T.V.
        B.T.V. 16 February 2018 11: 32
        +3
        Quote: Sapiens 63
        In order to open at least a few readers the truth, there is no question about you, you are a salary or an adherent of the sect


        And you, an “adept” of which sect, or also “on a salary”?
        1. You Vlad
          You Vlad 16 February 2018 16: 55
          +1
          Quote: B.T.W.
          And you, an “adept” of which sect, or also “on a salary”?

          And they are just interested wassat
  20. Lnglr
    Lnglr 16 February 2018 10: 19
    +5
    Regarding the law on PMCs. Maybe we already have enough power structures? Why else privately produce? Who benefits from having pocket armies? To the people? I don’t think ....
    And let's finally separate the flies from the cutlets. Volunteers are volunteers. And mercenaries are mercenaries.
    1. sib.ataman
      sib.ataman 16 February 2018 11: 45
      +2
      And the volunteers should lay their heads for so, while there on the Olympus the gods harness their deeds and remove the cream? Or is big politics always made solely out of noble intentions?
      Just every vegetable has its own season. In Soviet times, it was unthinkable to imagine PSCs! Nobody except the Ministry of Internal Affairs! And today, without them, some industries cannot even function. Now it’s PMC’s turn. And who will open the question is purely technical. The state will definitely not give up control. So no private armies for you! We are not in Honduras!
    2. axxmanm
      axxmanm 16 February 2018 11: 52
      +4
      The very idea of ​​PMCs is an attempt to hide military violence from the control of society, which is completely unacceptable.
      On the contrary - it is strictly necessary to prohibit PMCs in any form,
      and announce to the whole world that any member of PMCs (essentially a mercenary) of any country,
      and even more so, the organizer and the beneficiary become a war criminal in fact and are subject to the most severe inevitable punishment without a limitation period.
  21. Arabfun
    Arabfun 16 February 2018 10: 38
    0
    Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
    why don’t I understand, PMCs, mercenaries, have no relationship, protect the business, and state awards until the age of 14 were received?
    who cares about us, we’ll all be around soon "The United States will deploy special operations forces in 2017 out of 149 countries on the planet by 190" https://michael-ky.livejournal.com/131373.html
  22. Glory1974
    Glory1974 16 February 2018 10: 59
    +12
    our defense department behaved correctly, not having gone down to the bottom with super patriots and guardians of the Russian land. Statements were made on the case and very professional.

    At first the Defense Ministry was silent, then it pretended to be surprised, but in the end, the Foreign Ministry acknowledged the death of 5 Russians. The Ministry of Defense is still silent. What is the correctness?
    Note. A mercenary is a person who is acting for the purpose of receiving material remuneration and who is not a citizen of a state participating in an armed conflict or military actions, who does not reside permanently on its territory, and who is not a person who is assigned to perform official duties.

    1. If fighting for free, then not a mercenary.
    2. Russia is involved in armed conflict. therefore, its citizens have the right to be there.
    3. Citizens participating in the conflict on the side of a legitimate government are volunteers who receive a salary.
    Therefore, Russians cannot relate to mercenaries.
    The Russians died, and we say that they themselves are to blame. Therefore, the Americans have the right to kill them, seize them in different countries, lead them to the United States, judge them and put them in jail. And we only express concern and say ourselves are to blame ......
    Nice conclusion.
    It recalls the famous after Afghanistan: "I did not send you there"
    Or when the Russians were killed in Chechnya: "We had to go to Russia."
    Vobschem article "with a shower". Bold minus.
    1. Servisinzhener
      Servisinzhener 16 February 2018 11: 18
      +2
      Maybe because of the dead only 5 citizens of the Russian Federation, and not related to our MO.
    2. axxmanm
      axxmanm 16 February 2018 11: 54
      +7
      ... they’re going to Syria to fight from Donbass simply out of poverty. For in Syria (salary plus military) in PMCs - about 240 thousand rubles a month. And in the republics of Donbass - all the same 15-16 thousand rubles a month. Moreover, in living conditions under a titanic criminality, in a real ghetto, which Moscow (unlike Abkhazia and South Ossetia) does not recognize. Those whose houses and relatives remained in the territory controlled by Ukraine were in a particularly terrifying situation. In LDNR they have no stake and no yard, no prospects. One misery. And to flee to the Russian Federation - so from there the migration service can give Kiev to certain death. It was too expensive to believe in the Kremlin’s words that the Russians were not abandoning their own.
      So the Russians of New Russia, turned into outcasts, into Syria are served. Water your foreign land with your blood.
    3. flicker
      flicker 16 February 2018 13: 33
      +6
      Vobschem article "with a shower"
      With what!
      1. vasya.pupkin
        vasya.pupkin 16 February 2018 14: 13
        +2
        Quote: flicker
        Vobschem article "with a shower"
        With what!

        A typical example of "Surkovian propaganda."
        With these fakes, the Russians are persuaded not to fight, including in the Donbass.
  23. axxmanm
    axxmanm 16 February 2018 11: 49
    +2
    Let the giraffe be wrong
    But not a giraffe is guilty.
    And the one who shouted from the branches:
    "The giraffe is big - he knows better!" ..
  24. andrew42
    andrew42 16 February 2018 11: 59
    +3
    We do not need any real PMCs. God forbid! PMCs always have "owners", and controlling these "owners" for the state is a headache, because real PMCs are the consortium of mercenaries at all times.
    One of the oldest examples, the Britons invited the Saxon squad as "PMCs of the Dark Ages." - it ended very badly. We need "fake" PMCs, and the same "fake" law on them that does not really work. We just need to be able to act under the wrong flag as our opponents. But in real life, all PMC employees should be military intelligence officers, fully supported by the Defense Ministry, and only under the control of the Defense Ministry. If Yeltsin and Gaidar had “wild geese,” the destruction of the country would have happened in three years, without the need for long-term political performances. Real PMCs - this is not a double-edged sword, this is a boot that will knock out the spirit of any state.
    1. axxmanm
      axxmanm 16 February 2018 12: 26
      +1
      The very idea of ​​PMCs is an attempt to hide military violence from the control of society, which is completely unacceptable.
      On the contrary - it is strictly necessary to prohibit PMCs in any form,
      and announce to the whole world that any member of PMCs (essentially a mercenary) of any country,
      and even more so, the organizer and the beneficiary become a war criminal in fact and are subject to the most severe inevitable punishment without a limitation period.
      1. axxmanm
        axxmanm 16 February 2018 12: 27
        +2
        Quote: axxmanm
        The very idea of ​​PMCs is an attempt to hide military violence from the control of society, which is completely unacceptable.

        Against this background, the shameful and ridiculous attempts of some individuals to explain PMCs as “cunning-cunning” - such as when PMCs successfully perform military tasks — it is important to give a meaningful hint - “well, you understand that our guys are so handsome at war,” but in in the event of their death, at first clapping your eyelashes perplexedly - "can you finally talk about what? MO - it’s silent, it means there was nothing" - and then when this moronic "trick" doesn’t work - start screaming "..this are mercenaries - our authorities have nothing to do with it .. why do they reproach our MO? ... they themselves went to death ... prove that they died there, and not at home for everyday reasons .. "
        .. the intellect of such characters who love "tricky plans" at the level of a child with his hands folded over his head and saying ".. I'm in the house .."
  25. axxmanm
    axxmanm 16 February 2018 12: 06
    +5
    Written a year ago by Girkin ..
    Superimposed very well on current "successes" ..
    --------------
    ... A little "fresh" about the current state of "Wagner" in Syria (in the order of admonition for those who are considering selling themselves as mercenaries). First-hand information from a person who has just returned from Syria.
    1. All the "fairy tales" of Boris Rozhin about the valor of the Syrian Arab army in repelling the attack on Homs and the counter-offensive completely ignore the participation of Wagner in it. Meanwhile, this PMC played a very serious role in counterattacks and suffered very serious losses.
    - As the source says, “only Hezboll really fought under Homs.
    2. Due to heavy losses, the reluctance of many experienced fighters to return to Syria for new terms of the contract is becoming more and more serious. In this regard, firstly, delays in rotation reach up to 3 months. Secondly, the previous "elite set" has long ended - they "row into the comb" of all those who manage to recruit - including alcoholics, drug addicts, etc. . "public". Which, again, negatively affects the motivation of the "personnel skeleton".
    3. The quality of supply has sharply worsened. According to the person, “-” now everything is like ours (in the Donbass) in the 14th. ”Non-firing RPG-18s, rusty ammunition, lying form and equipment, disgusting feeding.
    4. In case of slight wounds, they are not evacuated to the rear - they put stitches in the field sanrot and, if necessary, leave them for a few days - then return them to the unit. Only seriously wounded people are evacuated, but the attitude toward them is “disregarding” - with serious injuries, arms and legs are cut even when they can be completely preserved with normal treatment.
    5. Despite a serious increase in "prices" - up to 260 thousand rubles. per month - they are now paid extremely sloppy. If earlier they “threw” bonus ones, now they can throw half and more than what was laid out under the contract.
    6. Mass desertion - newcomers to Syria, having looked around and realizing where they got to - are tearing up contracts in the very first days. Again (from the words) - sometimes they leave up to half, even without having been to any battle.
    7. Russian mid-level and lower-level military personnel forced to fight in Syria on duty (that is, not fat colonels, hanging out in wild crowds at headquarters in complete safety) are sure that "there is nothing for us to do in Syria." They do not believe in the success of the war, but the losses are also serious.
    P.S. The source himself, unfortunately, intends to return to Syria after recovering from the wound. Such a man.
    Another of the stories - the combat effectiveness of SAA remains at an extremely low level. They are increasing their numbers at the expense of surrendered militants, but their fighting efficiency is “below zero” —that is, they don’t want to fight at all (a lot of “reverse defectors”), the commanders are killed in the back, but feeding and supplies require proper ...
    1. Urs
      Urs 16 February 2018 15: 13
      +1
      All of the above is relevant at the moment with some corrections
  26. Petr1968
    Petr1968 16 February 2018 12: 11
    +1
    And why not the former military personnel, the former militiamen who remained out of work in the corps, to earn extra money in this way?

    I don’t understand, but aren’t the miners fighting in the Donbass and after the battles aren’t they going to the slaughter ???? All the lies, 1000 said that Russia in general was not sideways to the Donbass, there were tractor drivers and drifters. Dot. Where is the proof!!!!
    And who pays them ??? There is no money there, enterprises are standing, people are FREE to protect the land from Fascists. So all the lies, I did not read further. Dot.
    1. domokl
      domokl 16 February 2018 20: 01
      +2
      Half of those who fought in 14 have long been outside the enclosures. Resigned and now free citizens. You have a bad situation. The people's militia also has a system of dismissal from service. And not all remain after this in the Donbas. Look at the number of volunteers today and earlier and understand everything
  27. Curious
    Curious 16 February 2018 12: 41
    +2
    If I understood correctly, the point of the article is that the state does not know anything about any PMCs and does not want to know. The participation of all PMCs in hostilities is their private affair, and the problems of the employees of these PMCs are their personal problems, especially since they are actually criminals who kill people for money and are unworthy of the attention of super patriots and guardians of the Russian land.
    1. axxmanm
      axxmanm 16 February 2018 12: 48
      0
      Quote: Curious
      If I understood correctly, the point of the article is that the state does not know anything about any PMCs and does not want to know. The participation of all PMCs in hostilities is their private affair, and the problems of the employees of these PMCs are their personal problems, especially since they are actually criminals who kill people for money and are unworthy of the attention of super patriots and guardians of the Russian land.

      here is such a tricky trick ..
    2. vasya.pupkin
      vasya.pupkin 16 February 2018 14: 22
      +2
      Quote: Curious
      If I understood correctly, the point of the article is that the state does not know anything about any PMCs and does not want to know. The participation of all PMCs in hostilities is their private affair, and the problems of the employees of these PMCs are their personal problems, especially since they are actually criminals who kill people for money and are unworthy of the attention of super patriots and guardians of the Russian land.

      As Vladimir Semyonovich once said: "I have complaints against my state, but I will not discuss this with you."
      We dispense with the pan-sumer Sumerians.
      1. Curious
        Curious 16 February 2018 15: 15
        0
        Who will you do without? For all pshekbzdrek - this is the only light in the window of their dark life.
    3. Urs
      Urs 16 February 2018 15: 17
      0
      Well, I got it right. The situation is something like this.
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    2. Opera
      Opera 16 February 2018 12: 55
      +5
      Take the phone from him!
      1. Romka47
        Romka47 16 February 2018 14: 40
        +2
        He disappeared somewhere, probably already on his way to Syria he is flying to take revenge, or to Moscow ...
  29. antiamerikan
    antiamerikan 16 February 2018 13: 03
    0
    "Participation in battles on the side of the Syrian army - is this the interests of Russia?"

    Yes. Syria is our ally and friend. we must protect her interests.

    Iran too.

    and the fact that the Wagnerites were thrashed there - even the Russian Foreign Ministry has already recognized
  30. flicker
    flicker 16 February 2018 13: 12
    +5
    How to close the topic "PMCs and reactions to events in Syria"
    Allegedly in defense of Moscow Region, but in fact another bucket of slop in their own country. There are no such defenders and enemies. Authors in their repertoire. yes
    1. Muvka
      Muvka 16 February 2018 16: 41
      0
      Quote: flicker
      Enough time has passed since the first messages about the attack on the column. Enough time has passed since the start of the screaming about the dead.
      But information or any information about the incident did not increase.
      Everything is at the level of "one employee of PMCs, who cannot be shown, told the correspondent" ...

      Well, only these lines told me a lot:
      Enough time has passed since the first messages about the attack on the column. Enough time has passed since the start of the screaming about the dead.
      But information or any information about the incident did not increase.
      Everything is at the level of "one employee of PMCs, who cannot be shown, told the correspondent" ...
  31. Essex62
    Essex62 16 February 2018 13: 22
    0
    Quote: Mar. Tira
    This is what Americans play on. We say we are not hiding openly showing ourselves in Syria, here is a red line that you shouldn’t stand up for. We climbed, we got a snot. How did it happen, let the GRU analysts and the General Staff think it? But it turns out that we and our illegal units were outlawed. Therefore, these units could not receive legal support from the Russian Aerospace Forces. Stripes also study, and learned the lessons of Crimea and Donbass. Once "they are not there," therefore blame yourself .That is the tragedy of this battle!
  32. AllXVahhaB
    AllXVahhaB 16 February 2018 14: 06
    0
    Remember the security system of Soviet defense enterprises? At the first perimeter of the VOKhR, and in the depths of the soldiers of the company of protection. Are they equivalent for the state?

    And on the inner perimeter, in general, people in civilian clothes ... But I did not understand the question: do you want to say that these people are not equivalent for the state? Is a conscript soldier more valuable than a volunteer? Or vice versa???
  33. vasya.pupkin
    vasya.pupkin 16 February 2018 14: 18
    +1
    Quote: Oper
    Take the phone from him!

    Just leave the phone, select the smartphone, especially if it is an iPhone.
  34. LeftPers
    LeftPers 16 February 2018 14: 36
    +1
    PMCs do not have a right to exist. There is an army, enough.
  35. Rash
    Rash 16 February 2018 14: 56
    0
    A mercenary is a person who is acting for the purpose of receiving material compensation and who is not a citizen of a state participating in an armed conflict or hostilitieswho does not reside permanently on its territory, as well as who is not a person sent to perform official duties.

    Russia is a state participating in the conflict at the invitation of the legitimate government of Syria. Therefore, Russian citizens do not fall under this article.
    1. domokl
      domokl 16 February 2018 20: 06
      0
      That is, any citizen goes there for the performance of official duties? And by whom? State or businessman?
  36. Anyone
    Anyone 16 February 2018 16: 14
    +2
    Quote: Oper
    Perhaps so, but here and without ratings, some pursue completely different goals! Can't you see it?

    Even as I see. Should this somehow reflect on my attitude to the issue under discussion?
    PS I have the following attitude to the topic: the reaction of the authorities so far pleases me, because, having a clear view of the Syrian issue in the Russian Defense Ministry (or rather in the Kremlin) is more than it seems at first glance, and the authorities did not fall for the provoked military escalation.
    1. Opera
      Opera 16 February 2018 20: 45
      +3
      Americans are not stupid enough to provoke us into a direct military conflict. This is troublesome. All this informational provocation is focused exclusively on the elections in Russia.
      1. Sapiens 63
        Sapiens 63 17 February 2018 09: 13
        0
        Maybe it’s enough already to carry nonsense about the fact that any event casting a shadow on the sun’s provocation? You are not a stupid Putin Troll come up with something not so primitive
  37. Sedoy
    Sedoy 16 February 2018 16: 18
    +2
    crap ...
    PMCs are needed and it is undeniable ...
    world practice has proved it more than once ..
    eats, but about any social / state and other guarantees there can be no talk until they fulfill the contract in the interests of the state ...
    There are many tasks that are necessary for the state and where you can’t send either the army or the SSS ...
    in such cases, the state also hires PMCs
    or delegates to them some of their powers ...
    this requires a law that fully legalizes them

    in the current situation in Syria, PMCs have the standard task of protecting ...
    they were hired by someone whose "candle factory" they are guarding, and in the latter case, they went to another object ...
    without waiting for the Syrians to wring it out
    These are their problems
    it is not connected with the army of the Russian Federation
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  39. Megamarcel
    Megamarcel 16 February 2018 16: 24
    +1
    What kind of PMCs are these? PMC means private, it means it can fight against its people, if the customer asks. In general, this is horror. Like in ancient times. Private armies standing over the state.
    1. trak
      trak 17 February 2018 17: 18
      0
      Good lord How paranoid screams soiled ... PMCs just waiting to betray the Motherland and the people for money! MO should not have any business with PMCs, it's immoral and expensive! Why our country should be betrayed by our warriors who have joined the PMC? Why is this never done by Western PMCs? Why do Western MIs hire their PMCs quite often to act in other countries, or can they attract the same PMCs to act within their own countries during natural disasters and riots? Their laws allow. I believe that necha to blame the State Duma, if in every corner, and here, too, is full of those who liked it.
  40. Iskander. Richard
    Iskander. Richard 16 February 2018 16: 29
    +3
    Ikhtamnetov became an order of magnitude smaller. If our leadership again merges their options there really will be no more.
  41. ochakow703
    ochakow703 16 February 2018 16: 34
    +1
    I understand everything, but I can only imagine how these tricksters were amusing themselves, telling their sidekicks about how they “crushed the Russians”. And for me, the key word is "Russian." Although ... because if a person decided to make money like that ...
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  43. Arabfun
    Arabfun 16 February 2018 17: 44
    0
    Quote: Sergey Gorn

    The death toll is unknown ..
    We need the number of survivors, not dead.
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  45. vandarus
    vandarus 16 February 2018 18: 28
    +4
    I did not understand the authors advise us to close ... the "topic" and not raise a "howl" in connection with the confirmed deaths of Russian citizens?
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 16 February 2018 19: 51
      +6
      Quote: vandarus
      I do not understand the authors advise us to close ... "topic"

      why only authors? And the government of the Russian Federation, the President, the Foreign Ministry? Did they say something traveling?
      If there were such losses, then they are trying to hide the authorities because there are, at least 2 reasons: 1. such serious losses will cause public rejection and demand for retaliation. This means a more serious confrontation with the United States. GDP is not profitable now;
      2. image losses of GDP on the eve of the election due to its refusal, in the case of credibility of losses, from the US "otvetka"
  46. New Year day
    New Year day 16 February 2018 19: 49
    +5
    “Now in Syria a large group has died. This is what, the widows remained. It doesn’t matter that they were not official servicemen — they are ours, Russian men. And 300 families were left without a father, without a husband, ”- Zhirinovsky, press conference 16.02.18.
  47. acetophenon
    acetophenon 16 February 2018 20: 04
    +1
    I still do not understand who the author is “for the Communists or for the Bolsheviks”?
  48. digitalcn75
    digitalcn75 16 February 2018 20: 56
    +3
    Sorry, help did not come, reinforcements were not sent,
    well, ordinary things, you and I aren’t ...
    oh rights Grebenshchikov, everything is as always
  49. mervino2007
    mervino2007 17 February 2018 00: 31
    0
    Quote: glory1974
    Note. Mercenary - a person acting in order to obtain material compensation and not a citizen of a state participating in an armed conflict, not permanently residing in its territory, not a person sent to perform official duties.

    1. If fighting for free, then not a mercenary.
    2. Russia is involved in armed conflict. therefore, its citizens have the right to be there.
    3. Citizens participating in the conflict on the side of a legitimate government are volunteers who receive a salary.
    Therefore, Russians cannot relate to mercenaries.
    The Russians died, and we say that they themselves are to blame. And Americans can kill and put them in jail.
    And we express concern .. A good conclusion.
    It recalls the famous after Afghanistan: "I did not send you there"

    - Slava1974, your point 3 is interesting. And if the factory to which they aspired is located on state land and belonged to the state (say) or to the owner, a loyal government, then it can be used. Moreover, they say that the Kurds did not own it, but seized it by force. Then the generals of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation had to tell the amers that ours were there. And that would be right. If there was a conversation.
    - Here one more absurdity strikes the eye:
    Intelligence service? And was she? And consistent with the task? Helped identify opposing forces and possible means? The result says no, it did not match. In the case of PMCs, who is responsible? For human and material losses? And for our general hassle, in future, similar cases?
    Down and Out trouble started?
  50. New Year day
    New Year day 17 February 2018 12: 09
    +1
    The silence of the authorities is understandable at the level of argumentation of our foreign policy tactics. But it is completely unsatisfactory for domestic politics, and for two reasons at once. Firstly, the illegality of PMCs is wrong - the relatives of these volunteers do not have guarantees to ensure them in case of loss or injury to the breadwinner. The fact that they exist at an unofficial level does not negate the fact that in such cases dependence on the human factor is unacceptable. Well, the fact that relatives who have no officially no guarantees are nervous and worried about their future - and what is the additional test for them for? This is the human dimension.
    Secondly, this is already a state scale - the silence about unofficial fighters weakens confidence in the authorities, and, therefore, in the Russian state itself. Because it opens up scope for speculation and sabotage information techniques: "betray, abandon, use, do not think about people, enemies of Russia." That is, hostile propaganda (we will call a spade a spade) immediately begins to pour kilograms of salt into the wound. And the authorities cannot answer anything, because initially, even before the event, they did not recognize the subject of conversation.
    And the damage from such a "black PR" is much greater than from information about the death of ours in the Syrian war. Even if a hundred or two hundred people actually died, all this could be explained to their people. And now we see that the deaths of a dozen children become an occasion for the largest speculations, which were necessary and could be stopped in the bud.
    But in order to do this, it is necessary to seriously reconstruct the format of the government’s reaction to “hot topics”.
    And the authorities cannot do this, since everyone is waiting for the reaction of the GDP. He is silent, everyone is silent. The initiative is punishable, no matter what kind of specialist you are, the main thing is to look into the mouth of the boss