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In the Donbas "Kalash" shoot 23-mm cartridges

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Donbass gunsmiths were able to force the usual AK-74 to shoot 23 caliber ammunition.


The principle is quite simple. A special tube is installed on the barrel of the machine, under the 23-mm cartridge from the twin anti-aircraft gun ZU-23. In the chamber of the machine is charged "idle", which has enough energy to send ammunition for several hundred meters.

Donetsk residents consider a new invention a good alternative to a grenade launcher, because 23-mm cartridges can be high-explosive with a maximum fuse response time of 11 seconds.

New received the name "Artem". It is not yet known how effective this invention will be.

Ранее стало известноthat the DPR army had 60-mm mortars capable of covering the enemy right in the trenches. This effect was achieved through the use of fragmentation grenades as ammunition.

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  1. Falcond
    Falcond 15 February 2018 18: 13
    +9
    And what is the use of this invention? Efficiency is zero, there is no reloading speed, it is almost impossible to aim, special blanks need to be prepared ... and even from the point of view of safety, the shooter is not very ... In short, a dubious development ...
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 15 February 2018 18: 25
      +1
      Quote: FalconD
      Efficiency zero

      But the propaganda effect is what is needed."In the Donbass, Kalash fired 23 mm rounds."AND...? What is ..? Know our! True, it was necessary to smack a little and replace the "cartridges" with "shells", then the effect would be even more colossal! fellow)))
      1. Falcond
        Falcond 15 February 2018 19: 03
        +4
        Barmalei in Syria from water pipes and more calibers apply!
      2. Dart2027
        Dart2027 15 February 2018 19: 38
        +7
        Quote: Thunderbolt
        True, it was necessary to smack a little and replace the "cartridges" with "shells"

        In fact, 23 mm is really a shell.
    2. self-propelled
      self-propelled 15 February 2018 19: 21
      +3
      Quote: FalconD
      Efficiency is zero, there is no reloading speed, it is almost impossible to aim, special blanks need to be prepared ... and even from the point of view of safety the shooter is not very ... In short, a dubious development ...

      not even dubious, but rather useless. Is it boring for the local Kulibins? or such a severe shortage of "grenade launchers"?
      PS if they wrote in the article that it was "the invention of a gloomy Ukrainian genius," then the feces would have been poured in comments unmeasured. and so everything is within "... Donetsk residents consider the new invention a good alternative to the underbarrel grenade launcher ..."
    3. figwam
      figwam 15 February 2018 20: 40
      +2
      Quote: FalconD
      And what is the use of this invention? Efficiency is zero, there is no reloading speed, it is almost impossible to aim, special blanks need to be prepared ... and even from the point of view of safety, the shooter is not very ... In short, a dubious development ...

      And if they don’t have either grenade launchers or grenades to it, then the rifles through the barrel were loaded with the same rate of fire and with lower reliability, and they even fought like that. And about efficiency, it’s like a grenade, only it is thrown much further. Fishlessness and cancer.
      1. CentDo
        CentDo 16 February 2018 10: 15
        0
        Could you clarify what kind of grenade in question? And how can a 23mm shell, which is several times smaller than explosives, compare with it in terms of effectiveness?
    4. tol100v
      tol100v 15 February 2018 20: 41
      0
      Quote: FalconD
      Shorter dubious development ...

      With a fool, you can break something! Nothing else will come of this venture. Especially sensible!
    5. NOVERU
      NOVERU 16 February 2018 23: 13
      0
      in general, the old invention of the last century, only instead of a 23mm cartridge, a barrel grenade was hung with a similar type of invention, well, rather, remodeling for ammunition like a 25 mm cartridge or a Western-style grant
    6. intuzazist
      intuzazist 20 February 2018 15: 50
      0
      Single cook ?! Yes, you are a connoisseur of military affairs !!! And aiming is no different from firing from a "grenade launcher" .........
  2. Terenin
    Terenin 15 February 2018 18: 28
    +5
    Damn, here in the spring on the draft, ducks try winked
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  4. IgorH
    IgorH 15 February 2018 18: 54
    +4
    23 mm unitary shells, not cartridges.
  5. Simon
    Simon 15 February 2018 19: 28
    +2
    Quote: FalconD
    Donetsk residents consider a new invention a good alternative to a grenade launcher, because 23-mm cartridges can be high-explosive with a maximum fuse response time of 11 seconds.

    Test, see! Maybe worth the deal. The main idea, and then it can be expanded and modernized fool wink
    1. polpot
      polpot 15 February 2018 19: 37
      +6
      Yeah, 23 mm for 152 will be replaced and how are they
  6. Simon
    Simon 15 February 2018 19: 33
    +2
    Quote: Thunderbolt
    Quote: FalconD
    Efficiency zero

    But the propaganda effect is what is needed."In the Donbass, Kalash fired 23 mm rounds."AND...? What is ..? Know our! True, it was necessary to smack a little and replace the "cartridges" with "shells", then the effect would be even more colossal! fellow)))

    What problems they will do! wink
  7. polpot
    polpot 15 February 2018 19: 36
    +1
    This child prodigy has senior leaders, or how to give no one to hands and put on an outfit, like he’s not a kid but a fool like a conscript 1 period of service, when they play with fuses and burst packages
    1. Valery Saitov
      Valery Saitov 16 February 2018 11: 28
      0
      Bah, sailed. The Union was full of developments in one copy, they are now in museums, but ... but some gave an impetus (Su-47 "Golden Eagle", Ka-50 "Black Shark", T-95 "Black Eagle" and etc.) for more substantial and resulted in a series.
  8. kuz363
    kuz363 15 February 2018 21: 03
    +5
    Additional gunpowder in the cartridge put on the “eye” or by calculation? In general, a risky thing .. Disassemble the anti-aircraft cartridge, machine gun cartridge. Add gunpowder .... And shoot only up or horizontally. At what distance will fly - it is not clear.
    1. hmiland
      hmiland 16 February 2018 22: 16
      0
      Guys! What is the addition of gunpowder? THAT Kalash 5,45 had no blank rounds?
  9. Kazak_35
    Kazak_35 16 February 2018 07: 23
    +1
    What are you all like little? We decided to try what is the problem ?! Maybe the sense will come out, in the First World War if memory does not change did the barrel mortars who did not prove themselves badly. I think about who invented it, too, laughed at first.
    Let them try it better and if there is no sense then they will forget and if there will be any sense? One thing is theory, but in practice it could be otherwise!
    1. Grossbroker
      Grossbroker 16 February 2018 10: 39
      +2
      used not only in the first but also in the second world, the Germans used on kar98k, the Americans on m1 garand, the shaving on Li Enfild, used as special barrel grenades it was like that and something like what is shown here, on the barrel was a kind of jar where they put a grenade the usual one was pulled out and sent to the idlers somewhere in the trenches or around the buildings, there were even similar gizmos among the Germans but 3,7 cm PaK 35/36 cannons were equipped with 3,7 cm Stiel.Gr.41 cumulative mines, so it could be this invention will be useful
    2. dmitry.kashkaryow
      dmitry.kashkaryow 16 February 2018 17: 26
      0
      Montenegrins in the war for independence in the century before last for lack of metallurgy, industry and technology made gun trunks from cherry trunks! And nothing, got your way!
  10. tag17
    tag17 16 February 2018 11: 16
    0
    The need for inventions is cunning ... Many times such devices were used in different wars.
  11. Forever so
    Forever so 16 February 2018 12: 45
    +1
    Rifle grenade))) Why not ?? Already shells to the memory of singing eat)) and steel fragments are not luminous foil from the grenade launcher.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 16 February 2018 15: 32
      +2
      The LNR army has problems with PG 25 and PG 30 — there are no shots or grenades.
  12. iouris
    iouris 16 February 2018 15: 46
    0
    Strange "inventions." Missing weapons or a lot of unnecessary ammunition?
  13. VOENOBOZ
    VOENOBOZ 16 February 2018 19: 32
    0
    The right decision, especially in urban combat. The effect of grenades or mines, the main thing is that there is practically no return from such a caliber, the weight is small and full in warehouses.
  14. 236 BTR
    236 BTR 16 February 2018 21: 50
    +1
    Here of the Kulibins, just come out, the Kalashnikovs, Shpagins, Degtyarev)))
    Give me freedom, I would also dig deeper)))
    And the head thinks and hands are busy)))
    1. polpot
      polpot 16 February 2018 23: 00
      0
      Busy until torn off
    2. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 17 February 2018 09: 02
      +1
      Quote: BTR 236
      Give me freedom, I would also dig deeper)))

      Well, why not fiddle around if it's interesting? Only now ... to "go in cycles" on the 23-mm shell ... this is not comme il faut! Even in the "Transnistrian" events, they bungled a "gun" mortar for firing hand-held fragmentation grenades ... this device has a "meaning of existence"! And if the "itch of technical creativity" does not give rest, then you can think about something else! For example, go to a plumbing shop ... they sell pipe cuttings with external or internal threads of different "caliber", external and internal "plugs" for these pipes, start with explosives, insert at least a primitive wick ... here the self-made “granada” is ready ... it remains only to insert into a suitable diameter, “tube”, from the same store and ... adversary tremble! Also, on this base it is possible to figure out a “rifle” grenade ... (that is , without a "mortar")
  15. Siberia M 54
    Siberia M 54 17 February 2018 09: 29
    0
    Soldier savvy in action! fellow
  16. 89824024836
    89824024836 17 February 2018 14: 58
    0
    Now, if you try to shoot a 57 mm HE shell at least 200 meters there will be a defect. All the same, the weight is 2.7 kg, and the powder from a discharged unitary projectile can also be put into action by falling asleep in the Kalash barrel as an additional propellant. The Kalash barrel is designed for decent pressure - it will withstand the load of throwing and 76 mm of projectile, and this is pocket artillery. In this case, before the shot, you probably need to remove the bolt frame with the piston from the receiver. And the mortar should provide an expansion chamber to reduce the pressure of the powder gases. THOSE. the projectile should not be adjacent to the cut of the barrel and should be removed at least 10 cm. This will protect the barrel from breaking. That's about gentlemen, designers, fellow inventors.
  17. ZHORZH MILOSLAVSKIY_2
    ZHORZH MILOSLAVSKIY_2 18 February 2018 12: 42
    0
    normal ..))
  18. bear
    bear 19 February 2018 00: 19
    0
    I don’t know where the engineering idea of ​​this genius will lead further, but specifically this thing will not make any competition to the good old RPG-7.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 19 February 2018 01: 20
      0
      Unfortunately, the good old RPG 7 is already outdated, against modern tanks equipped with active and tandem dynamic protection, it is useless - you need a new RPG with a firing range of 1600 meters, armor penetration of at least a meter of armor, which will be equipped with a computer sight.
      1. AVN
        AVN 19 February 2018 06: 51
        0
        Bah, a new word! Along with the tandem warhead RPG RP appeared tandem DZ-explain what it is?
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 19 February 2018 08: 51
          0
          So understand - a multilayer dynamic protection in one block has two plates, and there can be two blocks - one after another.
  19. slavaseven
    slavaseven 19 February 2018 08: 14
    0
    GP is not enough here and come up with an alternative. “A blank cartridge in which gunpowder is added in addition to the one that is in it” - a dozen shots and a khan of weapons
  20. El_surikate
    El_surikate 19 February 2018 11: 03
    0
    And if you fasten such a projectile to an arrow and shoot from an English long bow, will it go no further and more precisely will come out? Or what ballista.
    1. Axon
      Axon 19 February 2018 21: 07
      0
      try and tell
  21. kromwell
    kromwell 20 February 2018 20: 54
    0
    Probably in Lugansk do shells for Shilok?
  22. konstantin68
    konstantin68 15 March 2018 17: 35
    +1
    In a trench warfare, it can and will come down to shoot along the adversary so as not to become impudent. In active hostilities, there is little sense in it.