Welt: Germany does not have enough tanks to participate in NATO operations

German Bundeswehr is missing tanks and aircraft for the performance of duties to NATO, the Welt newspaper writes, citing a secret document from the German Ministry of Defense.

According to the publication, at the beginning of 2019, the Bundeswehr must assume a decisive role in creating an international high-alert operational group, Spearhead (Speerspitze). However, the ninth tank brigade in Münster, which according to the plan is to perform this task, now has only nine operational Leopard-44 2 tanks and three of the Marder infantry fighting vehicles 14 necessary.

The reasons for this situation - the lack of spare parts and high maintenance costs. In addition, the Bundeswehr lacks night vision devices, grenade launchers, auxiliary vehicles, winter uniforms and body armor, the newspaper emphasizes.

According to the Welt, the problems have not bypassed the air force, which is also unable to fulfill its obligations to NATO.

The combat readiness of the Eurofighter and Tornado fighters, as well as the CH-53 transport helicopters, has deteriorated significantly: according to statistics, each of these complexes can participate in operations, training and exercises only four months a year. The remaining eight aircraft spend on the ground because of the repair, troubleshooting before departures and refit, reports RIA News

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[Looking Petrovich]

Guderian in a coffin turns over.

[210ox]

Well, Guderian himself, and finally the tanks did not have enough ..

Quote: Looking Petrovich

Guderian in a coffin turns over.

[Partyzan]

Quote: 210ox

Well, Guderian himself, and finally the tanks did not have enough ..

And still it is necessary to pay 2% to the budget of Nat Dmitriy

[bane's jacket]

Quote: Partyzan

Quote: 210ox

Well, Guderian himself, and finally the tanks did not have enough ..

And still it is necessary to pay 2% to the budget of Nat Dmitriy

Not "to the budget of the Nata", but to their defense.

[Partyzan]

Quote: bane's jacket

Not "to the budget of the Nata", but to their defense.

Yes? but I thought differently

US Vice President Mike Pence said security fees “must be fair,” talking about the need to comply with the NATO charter by all members of the organization and pay 2% of GDP. Today, Germany contributes about 1,2% to the NATO treasury from its GDP. This is almost 44 billion dollars. Under all conditions, Germany’s contributions to NATO’s budget will amount to about $ 77 billion,

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[bane's jacket]

Quote: Partyzan

US Vice President Mike Pence said security fees “must be fair,” talking about the need to comply with the NATO charter by all members of the organization and pay 2% of GDP. Today, Germany contributes about 1,2% to the NATO treasury from its GDP. This is almost 44 billion dollars. Under all conditions, Germany’s contributions to NATO’s budget will amount to about $ 77 billion,

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You are mistaken, as is the unknown author of that article. Germany does not “contribute to the treasury of NATO” 1,2% of its GDP, but spends them on military spending. For yourself.

[Svarog51]

and spends them on military expenses. For yourself.

Yeah, for my beloved in Turkey, on the basis of the aircraft kept in the coalition. What kind of tasks did they solve there, when in Germany, and so on, you can’t breathe from immigrants? Or do you think that the Germans are completely off the coils?

[bane's jacket]

Quote: Svarog51

and spends them on military expenses. For yourself.

Yeah, for my beloved in Turkey, on the basis of the aircraft kept in the coalition. What kind of tasks did they solve there, when in Germany, and so on, you can’t breathe from immigrants? Or do you think that the Germans are completely off the coils?

Everything mixed up in your head. I even laid out a table of military expenses where Germany, in your opinion, “contributes to NATO’s treasury” 1,2% of its runway or more than $ 40 billion. And Russia, as I understand it, following this table “contributes to the CSTO treasury” (Russia, after all, is a member of the CSTO and transfers money there, like all members of the CSTO), more than 70 billion? I'll know.

[Svarog51]

Everything mixed up in your head.

You'd better stick your head out of the jacket and carefully read what I wrote. What does Russia have to do with it? Germany, what are its interests in Syria protecting? Do you even understand for a start that NATO and the CSTO are different organizations. What kind of 70 billion CSTO brought into the budget are you trying to rub?

[bane's jacket]

Quote: Svarog51

Everything mixed up in your head.

You better stick your head out of the jacket

Would you like to receive answers in a similar tone?

What does Russia have to do with it?

Moreover, according to the same table, Germany, which is a member of NATO according to your claims, contributes them to the "treasury of NATO", and Russia spends money from this table for some reason on its rearmament, etc. Strange, don’t you? The table seems to be one, but the money goes for different purposes. I repeat the question: if Germany spends money from this table exclusively (and this is exactly what is stated) on contributions "to the treasury of NATO", then what does it spend on the upkeep, re-equipment and purchase of equipment of its own army?

Germany, what are its interests in Syria protecting?

And what is your sadness in this? Protects itself "at the far frontiers." Arranges?

What kind of 70 billion CSTO brought into the budget are you trying to rub?

You’ll try to “rub” your friends, or those who want to communicate with you in that tone. I’m trying to “rub” you into the fact that according to this table (it’s hard with you to be honest) both Russia and Germany spend money on military needs. Only in a strange way, Germany takes this money from Germany, and for some reason Russia spends it on exercises, re-equipment, military contentment and further on the list. It’s strange, don’t you?
PS: I’m afraid that I’ll try to find out from you for what purposes the “treasury of NATO” with as many as one Germany has already earned over 40 billion dollars. per year - you find it difficult to answer, right?

[Svarog51]

Oh, me! They brought a table with the military budgets of different countries and are trying to link it to NATO or to the CSTO. If it is so interesting where and how this money is spent - contact the MO of these countries, I am not an information bureau.
Threat. There are still countries from other military blocs present, do not forget about them.
Threat. PS How do you find out - where Germany spends 40 billion, you can share with members of the forum. This is your question, he does not interest me.

[sharp-lad]

The example of Saudi Arabia confirms the Russian proverb: Do not feed the horse.

[Kent0001]

And what is NATO's budget? Right from the budgets of the participating countries.

[bane's jacket]

Quote: Kent0001

And what is NATO's budget? Right from the budgets of the participating countries.

The NATO budget consists of contributions from countries included in it: maintenance of NATO headquarters, joint operations, etc. And it is by no means equal to what was written above. When Trump just took office, he generally stated that Germany itself owes "underpaid" up to 2% of its defense money to America personally. Do you remember?

[vlad66]

Quote: bane's jacket

but on your defense.

From whom? Do not distort the nice man.

And still it is necessary to pay 2% to the budget of Nat

So yes, every member of NATO must increase the contribution to the NATO budget to 2% of GDP.

[bane's jacket]

Quote: vlad66

Quote: bane's jacket

but on your defense.

From whom?

From the one from whom Russia is, just the opposite.

Quote: vlad66

So yes, every member of NATO must increase the contribution to the NATO budget to 2% of GDP.

And then she will not contain any money for her army? Well, if 2 percent will be given to this same notorious budget? By the way, do not tell me what is this very budget and what is the money spent there?

[Town Hall]

Quote: vlad66

So yes, every member of NATO must increase the contribution to the NATO budget to 2% of GDP.

I’m embarrassed to ask ... what are the volumes of this mythical “NATO budget”? ... who forms it, manages it and so on ... it’s very interesting to hear from such knowledgeable people ... where in general it’s shorter? ... some documents exist on this account? ... enlighten in general terms if in the subject ... just don’t get rid of the incorruptible about Google ... in general outline the topic

[Svarog51]

Too shy to ask..

Why so modestly? Ask. Just ask at NATO headquarters how they budget and where they spend money. Why did you decide here to look for answers to YOUR questions? Address to.

.Do not just excuse yourself with a goofy about Google ... outline the topic

So do it yourself, it's interesting. Nobody owes you anything here.

[Town Hall]

Quote: Svarog51

Why so modestly? Ask. Just ask at NATO headquarters how they budget and where they spend money

It is very difficult to find a black cat in a dark room ... especially when she is not there.


You see, colleague ... the budget of NATO is where NATO countries, supposedly, throw off 2-3% of their GDP, exists only in the parallel reality of some unchallenged local forum colleagues ...


NATO countries do not throw off 0 in the mythical total budget, hell of tenths of a percent of their GDP. Each of them spends these% on its own army. Like Russia or any other country. There is neither a common NATO army, nor a common NATO budget in nature. fantasy fruit of uneducated people ...


There are only a couple of headquarters with several generals and staff, and sometimes exercises are carried out. More often they are just headquarters. Sometimes they are field. That’s some kind of "penny" of the order of several million dollars a year. Otherwise, everyone spends on himself .Is it clear to you right now?

[Svarog51]

Honestly - I have their budget "to the lantern." Sorry for the pun. I’m interested in another - why does the US tell them (sovereign states) how much and where to spend? The Germans said - there is no money for the army, so no. What about the states? They want to help - a flag in hand.

Is it clear to you right now?

[Inquisitive]

Quote: Looking Petrovich

Guderian in a coffin turns over.

Why should he turn over? If there is something global, then tanks will not be needed there. Germany will now be saved by the police, the migration service, the introduction of borders and the deportation of migrants. I can’t imagine local wars between major powers. So maybe they’re doing it right and saving. Now the priority is the strength of special operations to solve problems, air defense, nuclear weapons and VKS

[KVU-NSVD]

, Air defense, nuclear weapons and aerospace forces

In the other branches of the military, is everything completely different? You think so ?

[NEXUS]

Quote: Looking Petrovich

Guderian in a coffin turns over.

I’ll look at the Germans and the Pole when the T-14 goes into production, including the entire line-up based on Almaty ... I think then from the GDP it will not be 2-3% ...

[Town Hall]

Quote: NEXUS

Quote: Looking Petrovich

Guderian in a coffin turns over.

I’ll look at the Germans and the Pole when the T-14 goes into production, including the entire line-up based on Almaty ... I think then from the GDP it will not be 2-3% ...

Well Armata, yes, the shock will be ... but when ROFAR ripens ... that's it ... surrender right away

[cormorant]

While in Germany the defense ministers are blonde in white cloaks, Germans can be deleted from the list of serious militarists ...

[Kent0001]

This blonde is said to be a gynecologist by education. But what, a normal minister of defense, such a European minister ....

[Kurare]

Quote: Kent0001

This blonde is said to be a gynecologist by education. Why, normal Minister of Defense,

For a complete picture: before that she was Minister for Family Affairs, and then Minister for Labor and Social Affairs. That's taco here in Germany is the "universal weapon" this Ursula.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Kent0001

This blonde is said to be a gynecologist by education. But what, a normal minister of defense, such a European minister ....

Since they treat the German army, such a doctor. When there will be a buffalo, then it will be possible to write off the Germans from the accounts, as a militant state. In the meantime, PMS, menopause and all further delights ....

[Prisoner]

Not tossing and turning, but moved, making room.

[dzuar saubarag]

I have a suspicion that the Germans in the coffin saw their decisive role in the creation of the Spearspitze, an international operational readiness group. And so that there would be no scandals and claims, they found a convincing reason to abandon this alluring role of cannon fodder

[210ox]

Come to the museum in Kubinka .. Maybe something and customize ..

[Sergey39]

Why to the museum? Let us buy updated T-72 from us

[Paranoid50]

Quote: 210ox

Come to the museum in Kubinka .. Maybe something and customize ..

Well, the pipes ... They’ll peel off. There, in the German exposition, whatever the instance, it is a rarity, or even the only one in the world (Mouse, Karl, Ferdinand, etc.). And, by the way, the Leopards line is still with them, because the collection has not been replenished long ago.

[Svarog51]

Well, horns ...

Right! Even so, after the departure of the GSVG, they got a lot of things, let them use it. And if they pay, it can be repaired.

[Serpent Pliskin]

even the Germans completely surrendered ...

[NEXUS]

Quote: Serpent Pliskin

even the Germans completely surrendered ...

German morale, however, like all Europeans ended in the 45th.

[Serpent Pliskin]

The Japanese, by the way, were not defeated in the defeat in the war and occupation. Revanchism and militarism is increasing every day. however, as with us. Soon there will be something. Everyone is stuffed with guns ... Are everyone ready to catch a shell?

[dvina71]

Quote: NEXUS

German morale, however, like all Europeans ended in the 45th.

Not quite so .. The Germans on the territory of the GDR did not survive the humiliations similar to those in Germany .. And they were full-fledged and one of the most reliable allies of the USSR.

[Kent0001]

And for a long time. They and the Luftwaffe are in full ass.

[Kurare]

Quote: Kent0001

And for a long time. They and the Luftwaffe are in full ass.

More recently, one more surfaced: a request not to use the Bundesmarine in any operations due to the lack of efficient ships. Here it is.

[astepanov]

Oh how! They again lack winter uniforms. Like in winter 41-42 Interestingly, have they already given out phrasebooks with "Uterus, Milk, Uterus, Testicles" to them?

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: astepanov

Interestingly, have they already given out phrasebooks with "Uterus, Milk, Uterus, Testicles" to them?

What for? They spelled out at the gene level: "Hitler kaput!"

[Jeremiah]

Buy it from Parashenka, you’re now friends, and there’s enough khaki scrap metal ... The spear point, like everything is grandiloquent, according to the current state of Germany, the tip of the flabby h ......

[demo]

The German Bundeswehr does not have enough tanks and airplanes to fulfill its duties towards NATO, the Welt newspaper reports, citing a secret document of the German Defense Ministry.

Why do Germans need tanks, do they have plenty of gynecologists?

[Dormidont]

A trifle, but nice

[Herculesic]

So you are on the genealogy chairs in battle!

[Vasyan1971]

"Germany lacks tanks to participate in NATO operations."
Let’s buy from Kuma-Poroshenko. He still has a lot of underdeveloped good. The strongest army in Europe after all.

[Warrior-80]

Yes, what the hell, old Frau said she saw in secret documents, just like our friend said or the daughter of an officer

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Warrior-80

Yes, what the hell, old Frau said she saw in secret documents, just like our friend said or the daughter of an officer

No bullshit. The Bundeswehr is crying about an excessive reduction in technology and a drop in the number of combat-ready vehicles since the arrival of the Minister-Gynecologist.
Here is the situation at the end of 2016:

It seems that the situation is somewhat more optimistic with the ground forces. Although not without dark spots, as is the case with the Puma infantry fighting vehicle, of which only 23 out of 89 are serviceable. With regard to the self-propelled 155-mm howitzer PzH 2000, the health level is declared at 67%. It should be noted that in the Bundeswehr there are 123 PzH 2000 howitzers, of which 61 are in the troops, and only 41 are in the combat units. 67% are not obtained in any way, based on the numbers in total. Based on this principle of counting, everything is fine with Leopard 2 tanks, since there are 244 tanks in total, of which 167 are in the military, and 132 are in combat units, that is, serviceability reaches 79%.

© bmpd
132 tanks in combat units. Heinz is not just turning over in a coffin - you can connect a gigawatt generator to it.

[Herculesic]

As I understand it, ukroin urgently need to take march over the German army, and I’m not even afraid of the word, the fleet! Then, however, the Germans, in addition to the genealogy, will no longer have an army!

[1536]

We must offer the Germans domestic tanks. At a reasonable price. The Americans buy rocket engines from us, and the Germans will buy our tanks. You can even resurrect a forgotten barter: tanks in exchange for BMW cars, BMP - for VWs ...

[ural-ls]

I exchange one BMP for one BMW

[KVU-NSVD]

Now it has only nine combat-capable of the necessary 44 Leopard-2 tanks and three of the 14 Marder infantry fighting vehicles.
The reasons for this situation - the lack of spare parts and high maintenance costs. In addition, the Bundeswehr lacks night vision devices, grenade launchers, auxiliary vehicles, winter uniforms and body armor, the newspaper emphasizes.

Right our recent past ... One to one reminds ...

[Egorovich]

The Germans, what are you afraid of, ukroshumeri now protect you !!!

[Romka47]

Hitler in a coffin spinning like a fan

[Gays]

For some reason, no one even thought that this shortage could suit the Germans. If everything is enough, will their second tier chase after all sorts of great military forces of Estonia to “aggressive and bloodthirsty” Russia

[gloomy fox]

Well, the third Reich is not the same as it was before. I don’t understand what a woman Minister of Defense can do good. For the country's defense .9 working tanks out of 44

[Sergeant71]

We can help by selling T-72B3 inexpensively "unparalleled"! Think faster, the offer is limited!))

[Hey]

It seems that the Bundeswehr is covered, in what, their Minister of Defense is best versed.

[Monarchist]

Indeed: one gets the impression.
Whom to put the Minister of Defense: gynecologist, accountant or someone else, not the profession decides, but the head. For example, ours: S. K. "Firefighter" in the good sense of the word: how a firefighter ran through all the emergency situations, but he has the HEAD, and this body instead of the head has the same organ

[Wolka]

the Germans, before doing anything to please the Yankees and NATO, remember about Moscow, Stalingrad and Kursk ... about all those who came to kill on Soviet soil, but remained and rotted in the ground ...

[Monarchist]

Quote: 210ox

Well, Guderian himself, and finally the tanks did not have enough ..

Quote: Looking Petrovich

Guderian in a coffin turns over.

In fact, Guderian didn’t have countless tanks in 1940, but he took a new approach to mashing tanks

[Svarog51]

They still have a "new approach" to NATO membership - "we would be glad to participate, but nothing"

[Monarchist]

Quote: KVU-NSVD

Now it has only nine combat-capable of the necessary 44 Leopard-2 tanks and three of the 14 Marder infantry fighting vehicles.
The reasons for this situation - the lack of spare parts and high maintenance costs. In addition, the Bundeswehr lacks night vision devices, grenade launchers, auxiliary vehicles, winter uniforms and body armor, the newspaper emphasizes.

Right our recent past ... One to one reminds ...

Tell the truth, but there are differences: our Minister of Defense carried a stool on his shoulders, and this frau wears what other women do not show

[bald]

This is all the wish of the shit, that’s why she needs tanks, with whom to fight? !!! - Russia and Germany have very different plans in the future.

[gromoboj]

Yankees shells buy 800% of the norm, the Germans are going to become a spear point.
Very peaceful.

[APASUS]

Now Germany will complete SP-2 and all the rest will be thrown off for its armament. The same is true for Poland and the Baltic states systematically every day in the morning Russia.

[bane's jacket]

Svarog51,

Quote: Svarog51

Oh, me! They brought a table with the military budgets of different countries and are trying to link it to NATO or to the CSTO. If it is so interesting where and how this money is spent - contact the MO of these countries, I am not an information bureau.
Threat. There are still countries from other military blocs present, do not forget about them.
Threat. PS How do you find out - where Germany spends 40 billion, you can share with members of the forum. This is your question, he does not interest me.

I understood that you personally do not know anything from the topic of the conversation, and it does not interest you particularly. Why did you get into a conversation?

[Svarog51]

I understood that you personally don’t know anything from the topic of conversation, and she’s not particularly interested in you.

You did not understand correctly. The Germans spend 40 billion on their army, but they don’t have tanks and planes. Then Trump demanded - spend 70 billion, but there were tanks on the joint adventure. Here it is apparently incomprehensible to you.

[Alekseits]

Not enough, so do not participate. And live in peace.

[Archivist Vasya]

Somehow it is hardly believed in it, if the article was about Ukraine it would have believed. And the fact that Germany, with its powerful economy, is not enough for parts, uniforms and others - it, well, something like that.
During the Great Patriotic War, the Wehrmacht soldiers even had icing ointment, but we still do not have it.

[ural-ls]

Yes, the ointment was just what they had to smear it. I’m probably thinking heels, but there was no winter form. Gasoline exfoliated from low temperatures because it was synthetic

[ural-ls]

Yes, Fritz you made the testament of his "Fleet Heinz" With such opportunities, even Limpopo can not be won