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The contract for the supply of Indonesia 11 Russian fighter Su-35 signed

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Russia and Indonesia have signed a contract for the supply of X-NUMX multi-purpose fighter Su-11. Interfax reports this with reference to an informed source in Jakarta.


Earlier it was reported that Russia and Indonesia had finalized certain technical aspects of the contract for the supply of 11 fighters.

The contract for the supply of Indonesia 11 Russian fighter Su-35 signed


Su-35 - deeply upgraded super-maneuverable multi-generation fighter "4 ++". According to the company "Sukhoi", it used the technology of the fifth generation, providing superiority over fighters of a similar class.

The supply of modern aircraft according to the laws of Indonesia is linked to offset commitments and countertrade.

This means that we are committed to purchasing certain national goods. These issues are agreed
- said earlier the director of international cooperation and regional policy of the state corporation "Rostec" Viktor Kladov.

He stated that Indonesia could supply rubber, palm oil and other traditional exports.
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  1. Hunter 2
    Hunter 2 15 February 2018 10: 29
    +4
    Our birds will fly to a foreign land! recourse Us in their VKS - more! fellow
    1. vlad66
      vlad66 15 February 2018 10: 40
      +12
      This means that we are committed to purchasing certain national goods. E

      This is what belay SU 35 per
      rubber, palm oil and other products of traditional export.

      Or maybe better money?
      1. seti
        seti 15 February 2018 10: 43
        +7
        Who cares ? Goods are the same money. We give them military goods - they give us raw materials and products. Fair trade.
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 15 February 2018 11: 27
          +16
          Quote: seti
          Who cares ? Goods are the same money.

          In liquidity. Ultramodern combat fighter - more liquid goods in this barter exchange. Changing a technological product to “hay”, Rosoboroexport signs that this product cannot be sold for a more worthwhile (money!). Well, to drive into the neck such managers who somehow shove a cool battle fighter, and who do not care about the fact that in the ice cream and curd bars our children eat with pleasure, palm fat is guaranteed to appear.
          There are voices that claim that they say palm oil will be used only in cosmetics. These voices, I want to remind you of the acute situation that prevails in the Russian food market due to the dominance of vegetable fats of unknown origin.
          1. LiSiCyn
            LiSiCyn 15 February 2018 12: 02
            +5
            Well, "palm" is used all over the world ... And rubber, where to get it? No money, take the goods ...
            You are the prices of goods, you know ...
            Maybe we have 300% on this barter?
            1. You Vlad
              You Vlad 15 February 2018 12: 17
              0
              Quote: LiSiCyn
              Maybe we have 300% on this barter?

              Well, for oil, then the price will definitely rise wink
              1. LiSiCyn
                LiSiCyn 15 February 2018 12: 39
                +3
                The price does not rise because of this. And because of the greed of the manufacturer ... yes
                1. You Vlad
                  You Vlad 15 February 2018 12: 41
                  0
                  Quote: LiSiCyn
                  The price does not rise because of this. And because of the greed of the manufacturer ...

                  Less oil will enter the market, respectively, and the price will rise hi
          2. You Vlad
            You Vlad 15 February 2018 12: 07
            +2
            Quote: Stas157
            In liquidity. Ultramodern combat fighter - more liquid goods in this barter exchange.

            Well, yes, well, a lot of countries can afford to buy such equipment!
            Quote: Stas157
            Changing a technological product to “hay”, Rosoboroexport signs that this product cannot be sold for a more worthwhile (money!).

            Didn’t you Stas shouted about Russia as a gas station? So, we exchange high-tech products with high added value for resources! Or do you have a special love for green papers?
            Quote: Stas157
            These voices, I want to remind you of the acute situation that prevails in the Russian food market due to the dominance of vegetable fats of unknown origin.

            Well, this is of understandable origin and palm oil is not harmful to the human body, cream in this regard is more harmful!
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 15 February 2018 12: 26
              +10
              Quote: You Vlad
              Didn’t you Stas shouted about Russia as a gas station?

              Where am I shouting? Give an excerpt. Russia is trading in oil and gas. Gasoline if only in small quantities.
              Quote: You Vlad
              palm oil is not harmful to the human body, butter in this regard is more harmful!

              Vlad you surprise me once again! Well, if you want to, eat your palm oil. But, do not impose your strange tastes on others.
              I have a wife, a doctor. And she also does not like palm oil. Apparently does not know about its benefits!
              1. You Vlad
                You Vlad 15 February 2018 12: 29
                0
                Quote: Stas157
                Vlad you surprise me once again! Well, if you want to, eat your palm oil. But, do not impose your strange tastes on others.

                Stas do not eat palm oil, do not even take it in your mouth. yes
                Quote: Stas157
                Where am I shouting? Give an excerpt. Russia is trading in oil and gas. Gasoline if only in small quantities.

                Well, the meaning of your statements, I strongly distorted? If so, I apologize.
              2. just exp
                just exp 15 February 2018 12: 53
                +1
                she’s a worthless doctor if she doesn’t know that palm oil is not harmful, but ANY plant hydrogenated fats. yes, if the oil has become hydrogenated, whether it be palm, sunflower or olive, it will be harmful, the simplest example is margarine. if your wife is really a doctor, then ask her about it. can tell me what.
                and palm oil in its normal form, a very useful and high-quality product.
                1. Stas157
                  Stas157 15 February 2018 13: 41
                  +6
                  Quote: just explo
                  fucking she is your doctor

                  Palm oil overeating? Maybe one of you is a worthless debater, who just goes to the individual?
                  Quote: just explo
                  palm oil in its normal form, a very useful and high-quality product

                  And President Putin is the best president! It is naive. All these disputes about the benefits and dangers of palm oil have been going on for a long time. The production of this oil is a big business, which will defend the point of view of "benefit", in any case. In the same way as it happens with the GMO market, with transmodified grain, with many supposedly useful medicines and vaccinations.
                  I’m not going to argue with you anymore about this, I’ll only note that WHO has officially recommended reducing its use as one of the ways to prevent cardiovascular diseases.
                  1. ZVO
                    ZVO 15 February 2018 14: 34
                    +3
                    Quote: Stas157
                    I only note that WHO officially recommended reducing its use as one of the ways to prevent cardiovascular disease.


                    You are utter nonsense ... Just stop watching TV on the first 5 buttons ...
                    WHO recommends limiting sugar intake to 25-50 grams per day
                    https://ria.ru/society/20150304/1050916091.html

                    And then. that WHO holds tobacco products and meat products in one carcinogenic risk group - does the WHO indicator know ...
                    And the fact that for some reason they force us to eat more bread and potatoes, whose transformation in the body almost always turns into body fat and subcutaneous fat, but it is forbidden to eat meat and fat, supposedly too high in calories .. But fat does not turn into fat ...

                    And much of WHO goes against real nutrition and just wisdom.
                    1. Stas157
                      Stas157 15 February 2018 15: 58
                      +6
                      Quote: ZVO
                      You're talking nonsense ... just stop it

                      And my wife is a doctor, of course, also not right, did I understand you correctly? And the one who does not carry nonsense who works? At least a professor of nutrition, probably?
                      Po picked up things in boarding schools, now trump? On the Internet, a whole battle between supporters and opponents of the palm tree. And, you wondered why there is no such battle for the harm and usefulness of olive and sunflower oil, for example?
                      I don’t want to seem the daughter of a Crimean officer, but maybe it’s really not so simple? Palm production is a big business. Maybe the forces that protrude beyond the palm are simply biased? But who will engage supporters against? Obviously, only their own health.
                      I’m not going to convince you of anything. Gnaw a palm tree, eat GMOs, add bio-additives ... And be healthy!
                      1. just exp
                        just exp 15 February 2018 17: 14
                        +1
                        the fact that your doctor’s wife is still not talking about anything, I knew more than one doctor, for whom I would only be treated at gunpoint.
                        for the watchman Uncle Vasya will treat better on the Internet than these "doctors", although they have yes. and a diploma, and all sorts of internships, residencies.
                        only heals not a diploma, but knowledge and experience. but they’re not a fact that a passenger has a doctor’s diploma and a workplace in the hospital.
                  2. just exp
                    just exp 15 February 2018 17: 12
                    +1
                    What can you discuss with the State Department bot if you have incompetence on ALL issues and rushing out?
                    and ANY butter, even cactus, is a useful product, and palm so has a breakthrough of positive qualities. and it does harm to us when it is hydrogenated, this is what happens to it in cheeses and other products.
                    but for those who do not read well in Russian, I’ll write a capsule - AFTER HYDROGENIZATION ANY VEGETABLE OILS ARE HARMFUL. AND PALM AND OLIVE AND CORN AND SUNFLOWER AND NUT. so clear?
                    PS Yes, Putin is the best president.
                    ZZI WHO recommends reducing consumption. and not to exclude it, but if you overdo it with consumption, ANY product will be harmful, whether it is salt, sugar, vegetable oil, meat or honey.
                    there is such a magic word "measure", if you use olive oil half a liter a day, then this will also turn out to you sideways.
                    1. Stas157
                      Stas157 15 February 2018 21: 57
                      +5
                      Quote: just explo
                      What can you discuss with the State Department bot if you have incompetence on ALL issues and rushing out?

                      Why are you humiliating yourself and responding to messages from the State Department bot?
          3. Lexus
            Lexus 15 February 2018 15: 08
            +1
            "Defective managers," what can I say. In the XXI century, they returned to the natural exchange. It remains only to wait for transactions for beads and blankets with smallpox.request
          4. Said
            Said 17 February 2018 07: 08
            0
            Stop, have you already calculated how many kg of palm oil they give for the 35th? Have you compared barter prices to world prices plus delivery to the port of destination? Have an analysis of competitive offers? Congratulations, you are a genius! Register, my vote in your election!
        2. You Vlad
          You Vlad 15 February 2018 11: 59
          +1
          Quote: seti
          . Fair deal.

          And most importantly, without green papers.
      2. Sergeant71
        Sergeant71 15 February 2018 10: 52
        +7
        Do they have money? We are starting to like the Soviet Union for sugar (Cuba) and green peas (Hungary-Bulgaria) to supply am
        1. seti
          seti 15 February 2018 11: 03
          +7
          Think for yourself. First, you did not read this contract and what is written in it. Secondly, they pay only half of the purchase price with their goods. Thirdly, we are buying these goods from year to year on an increasing basis for currency from year to year.
          And now - we give them military equipment - they give us their goods that we would already buy. Now they are dependent on us in the sense that the equipment needs to be serviced, it needs to learn how to manage and apply. For her, you need to train pilots and buy weapons. Something like this.
          We wouldn’t have sold them that way to Americans. And our workers received working employment and not mattresses.
          1. Sergeant71
            Sergeant71 15 February 2018 11: 33
            +3
            Have you read chtol? And where does the information about half the cost come from?
            By the way, the volume of trade between the Russian Federation and Indonesia is insignificant, which already says a lot, including the degree to which we need their goods.
            1. seti
              seti 15 February 2018 12: 23
              +3
              There has already been an article on this topic. And there has long been all discussed.
              And the volume of trade with Indonesia and other countries of the Pacific region needs to be increased. What do we produce best? What we have a Russian brand is our weapon. So we will push it to everyone.
              Who is to blame for us that the volume of trade is small? It's your own fault, it's time to start fixing it.
            2. LiSiCyn
              LiSiCyn 15 February 2018 12: 36
              +3
              According to the "palm", the whole market is controlled by the Dutch ... We buy from them, with a markup ...
              Now, direct from Indonesia ...
              With rubber, the same ...
            3. Grigory_45
              Grigory_45 15 February 2018 14: 14
              +1
              Quote: Sergeant71
              Have you read chtol? And where does the information about half the cost come from?

              There are other sources that expand on the topic. The contract value is $ 1,14 billion, half of the amount ($ 570 million) will be covered by the supply of Indonesian commodities. The rest is money. By the way, if anyone has been following the news, you are aware that the contract with Indonesia was concluded in the face of pressure from Jakarta by the United States. They offered them their F-16s removed from storage, and if, they say, buy Russian, it will be bad. During an extreme visit to this country by US Secretary of Defense James Mattis, the Indonesian side was informed that, in the case of the acquisition of Russian arms, Indonesia could face an embargo on the supply of American weapons, as it was in 1997
          2. Stas157
            Stas157 15 February 2018 11: 45
            +7
            Quote: seti
            We wouldn’t have sold them like that to Americans.

            Do Americans sell fighters for palm oil? I have not heard that! The United States can sell their equipment on credit, but only for dollars.
            1. Sergeant71
              Sergeant71 15 February 2018 11: 59
              +4
              Do not dare to argue! They say that it’s profitable to sell high-tech equipment for food - it means so! And if you do not agree, then you are a member of the State Department and not a patriot! wassat
              1. just exp
                just exp 15 February 2018 12: 56
                0
                You need to sell in any case if there is a profit from the sale.
                yes, barter is more difficult than selling for money, but if there is a choice or selling for partial barter, or not at all, then the choice will be obvious for the first item.
                for although it is more complicated, it still makes a profit. and work for workers.
            2. seti
              seti 15 February 2018 12: 26
              +1
              And what are we going to do with these green candy wrappers? Put back to the US Treasury? What am I asking you? And the same palm oil and other things that in return will be given to us is what we cannot produce with all our desire and what we really need. And to you as well. Dollars are also needed, but tangible goods and raw materials are needed.
      3. Teberii
        Teberii 15 February 2018 11: 03
        +3
        Palm oil is fed to us and still earn.
      4. Grigory_45
        Grigory_45 15 February 2018 14: 09
        0
        Quote: vlad66
        Or maybe better money?

        Half the amount of money - half "oil and rubber."
      5. Sergey39
        Sergey39 15 February 2018 14: 18
        0
        Well, yes, palm oil is just not enough
    2. seti
      seti 15 February 2018 10: 44
      +2
      Quote: Hunter 2
      Our birds will fly to a foreign land! recourse Us in their VKS - more! fellow

      According to 10 pieces, only Su-35С enters the VKS every year.
      1. Grigory_45
        Grigory_45 15 February 2018 14: 17
        0
        Quote: seti
        10 pieces only Su-35S every year enters the VKS

        10-12 in the Air Force of the Russian Federation and the same for a hill. Greater plant capacity is not allowed. But look at what cost the planes leave - at least 80-85 million greenery each, plus service staff, spare parts and weapons.
    3. Borik
      Borik 15 February 2018 12: 06
      +4
      Quote: Hunter 2
      Our birds will fly to a foreign land! recourse Us in their VKS - more! fellow

      Yes, the more we sell for a hill, the cheaper the same plane will cost for its VKS.
      1. ZVO
        ZVO 15 February 2018 12: 27
        0
        Quote: Borik
        Quote: Hunter 2
        Our birds will fly to a foreign land! recourse Us in their VKS - more! fellow

        Yes, the more we sell for a hill, the cheaper the same plane will cost for its VKS.


        Why did it happen?
        1. just exp
          just exp 15 February 2018 12: 58
          0
          the larger the series, the lower the cost - it's kind of like the basics.
          1. ZVO
            ZVO 15 February 2018 13: 06
            +1
            Quote: just EXPL
            the larger the series, the lower the cost - it's kind of like the basics.


            Not certainly in that way.
            Modern Aircraft are already piece products.
            The rate of release of less than 1 piece per day - already applies to manual labor, and no really tangible cost reduction is not created.

            If the rate of release was 1 piece per day, there would be a real conveyor and the order would be for 1500-2000 units - then yes - the basics would work ...
            1. Grigory_45
              Grigory_45 16 February 2018 10: 12
              0
              The larger the series, the less the product may cost. In addition, funds invested in R&D are partially discouraged from the sale. Which have already been spent and are not included in the price of the aircraft (in this case).
              The more you sell, the less you need to earn on each unit of goods in order to cover your costs and earn a comfortable profit. And the volume .. here you need to judge not by the volume of production, but by the total revenue. You can, for example, produce tons of candy or rolls of toilet paper that cost a penny, or you can make some planes, each of which costs tens of millions of dollars. The sum will be the same: produce 1000 pieces of 1 thousand dollars or 10 pieces of 100 thousand dollars. So everything works: the larger the series, the lower the final cost of the product (for the same profit)
              At all. There was a good article on this topic: https://topwar.ru/134376-skolko-stoit-f-35-ili-os
              obennosti-voennogo-cenoobrazovaniya.html
  2. Cympak
    Cympak 15 February 2018 10: 37
    +10
    More palm oil in our dairy products. People picks
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 15 February 2018 10: 37
      +9
      Cympak Today, 10:37 AM New
      More palm oil in our dairy products. People picks

      amen ... but in the shops "full of grub, not like in the 80s" ...
      1. seti
        seti 15 February 2018 10: 44
        +2
        For someone, this is obviously a minus.
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 15 February 2018 11: 53
          +5
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          amen ... but in the shops "full of grub, not like in the 80s" ...

          Quote: seti
          For someone, this is obviously a minus.

          Indeed, store shelves are now clogged up, not like the 80th. But this abundance is only apparent. It’s already enough that you go to the store and begin to solve puzzles, but where to get the product without vegetable oil and preservatives ... You will sweat while looking. But you won’t find it! ... That's how good it used to be. You go to any Soviet store, and you do not need to choose. Whatever he takes - everything is exclusively his own and natural! People lived ...
          1. You Vlad
            You Vlad 15 February 2018 12: 21
            0
            Quote: Stas157
            That's how it used to be good. You will go to any Soviet store, you don’t have to choose

            Because there was nothing to choose from laughing
            Quote: Stas157
            Sweat while you're looking

            And you don’t sweat, look at the price! Palm oil is much cheaper.
          2. just exp
            just exp 15 February 2018 12: 59
            +1
            You go to any Soviet store, and you do not need to choose.

            well, red is clear, if the shelves are empty, and there is only dust, then it’s real and not necessary to choose.
            for there is nothing.
          3. ZVO
            ZVO 15 February 2018 14: 39
            +1
            Quote: Stas157
            . Here as before it was good. You go to any Soviet store, and you do not need to choose. Whatever he takes - everything is exclusively his own and natural! People lived ...


            How old are you then?
            I just remember the Soviet shops of Kuibyshev only because there was nothing in them.
            In the store, the ocean is huge. per 1000 squares - there were only 4 positions in the windows.
            Canned seaweed, sprats in tomato sauce, pollock fresh-frozen + capelin fresh-frozen.

            And so in all.
            There was no sausage. except bread or liver.
            When any other appeared, wild lines appeared.
            And yes. everything was on coupons.
            I was born in 1970.
            I don’t have to lie ...

            But what you write shows you a complete theorist who never lived in the Soviet Union in those years.
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 15 February 2018 16: 43
              +5
              Quote: ZVO
              I just remember the Soviet shops of Kuibyshev only because there was nothing in them.
              In the store, the ocean is huge. per 1000 squares - there were only 4 positions in the windows.

              Not true. Maybe it was 90-91 years, and in the mid-80s there were no empty shelves. Shops Ocean as a rule were central, in them the choice of fish was much wider than in simple stores.
              Quote: ZVO
              Canned seaweed, sprats in tomato sauce, pollock fresh-frozen + capelin fresh-frozen.

              Canned food was the sea, this is the largest position, right down to whale meat, it is a rarity of course, but normal sprats were often. Have you forgotten: fresh-frozen cod, perch, flounder, herring. There was no red fish. I remember the finished fried fish, all kinds of fish pies, sandwiches, black caviar ...
              Here, most people come from the Union, they will not let you lie.
              Quote: ZVO
              And yes. everything was on coupons.

              Until 1987, there were no coupons.
            2. Said
              Said 17 February 2018 07: 14
              0
              What year are you describing?
      2. Sergey Medvedev
        Sergey Medvedev 15 February 2018 11: 06
        +2
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        amen ... but in the shops "full of grub, not like in the 80s" ...

        You are right, but the products are not of the same quality and at completely different prices. I would prefer the 80s.
    2. Tiksi-3
      Tiksi-3 15 February 2018 10: 46
      +1
      Quote: Cympak
      More palm oil in our dairy products. People picks

      it is much more used in petrochemicals and perfumes, the exhaust is much higher!
    3. Irokez
      Irokez 15 February 2018 10: 54
      +2
      Quote: Cympak
      People picks

      And you do not hawala. Nobody has canceled freedom of choice.
    4. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 15 February 2018 14: 19
      0
      Quote: Cympak
      More palm oil in our dairy products. People picks

      and what, it would become less? Would manufacturers suddenly wake up with patriotic altruistic feelings?
  3. Imh
    Imh 15 February 2018 10: 37
    +3
    Congratulations to the military-industrial complex of Russia on another deal.
  4. hydrox
    hydrox 15 February 2018 10: 37
    +1
    In fact, Indonesia is not the poorest country, but service, maintenance, modernization, regulations, spare parts, and consumables in exchange for influence - all this is worth a lot, and if something like this comes with us, then it decreases with the Americans. ..
    However, we can even get hold of a military base (if Kamrani does not get us) ...
    Although there are still more lips to roll out, if the Philippines are already discussing something similar ... laughing
  5. Egorovich
    Egorovich 15 February 2018 10: 39
    +8
    Palm oil in exchange for the SU-35 is, in my opinion, the height of stupidity.
    1. seti
      seti 15 February 2018 10: 46
      +6
      Top stupidity is your comment. This is just one of many products. And answer for yourself what you know about palm oil. Besides your stereotypes? Look for information for him - your opinion will change.
      1. Egorovich
        Egorovich 15 February 2018 10: 57
        +2
        Here is your information found, and eat for health, you are our smart guy. Health! wassat
        1. just exp
          just exp 15 February 2018 13: 01
          0
          Do you know something about palm oil?
          I know, and I know (and not just think) that this is a useful product.
          this is if it is not destroyed and not hydrogenated.
          and if hydrogenated, then both sunflower and olive become harmful.
          us and these oils, too, declare harmful?
      2. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 15 February 2018 12: 00
        0
        You intrigued me.
        I looked. Everything is good fellow :
        "It is believed that palm oil is not absorbed by the body, but simply excreted as a ballast substance."
        It is NOT harmful - ate, shook - oil did not remain in the body - remained healthy good .
        1. You Vlad
          You Vlad 15 February 2018 12: 26
          0
          Quote: voyaka uh
          "It is believed that palm oil is not absorbed by the body, but simply excreted as a ballast substance."

          Yeah, it’s considered to be like you!
          If we talk about its benefits, it is first necessary to emphasize that it contains a large number of carotenoids, the strongest antioxidants that are of great value to the human body. Carotenoids have a positive effect on weakened hair and skin. Therefore, it is used by many well-known cosmetic companies.

          Palm oil is the record holder for vitamin E, which consists of tocotrienols and tocopherol. Tocotrienols are extremely rare in plants, they fight free radicals that provoke the appearance of cancer.

          Palm oil is rich in triglycerins, which are digested very quickly, and when they get into the liver, they go to generate energy without getting into the bloodstream. This oil is especially useful for people who do not digest other fats, as well as those who follow the figure and athletes.
          The main harm of palm oil is a high content of saturated fats. The same fats are present in butter. Many scientists claim that the consumption of a large amount of saturated fat contributes to the appearance of heart and vascular diseases.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 15 February 2018 12: 37
            +4
            But there are such horror stories: am
            "The harm of palm oil is quite serious - it is a powerful carcinogen that can cause cancer processes. ... Despite the ability to enhance the taste of a culinary product, palm oil is harmful to health."

            And for 11 fighters, you can fill in a strong kanz ..., in the sense, palm oil for a decade to come.
            I would take from the Indonesians only cash, and only in dollars. They have considerable foreign exchange reserves, the country is not so poor. Only fool around, taking advantage of the difficult economic situation of Russia.
            1. You Vlad
              You Vlad 15 February 2018 12: 40
              0
              Quote: voyaka uh
              But there are such horror stories:

              But this is, as you rightly said, horror stories! That is a lie!
            2. just exp
              just exp 15 February 2018 13: 03
              +1
              there are no horror stories there, palm oil is harmful only if it was stored or processed incorrectly.
              and if you spoil the product, even bread and water will be harmful.
        2. seti
          seti 15 February 2018 12: 28
          +1
          They don’t climb into a strange monastery with their charter - go go. We ourselves will sort it out without you.
        3. ZVO
          ZVO 15 February 2018 12: 32
          +1
          Quote: voyaka uh
          You intrigued me.
          I looked. Everything is good fellow :
          "It is believed that palm oil is not absorbed by the body, but simply excreted as a ballast substance."
          It is NOT harmful - ate, shook - oil did not remain in the body - remained healthy good .


          This nonsense about is not acquired.
          Everything is assimilated.
          In normal doses, everything is useful.

          And thanks to one idiot, they reached the point that sodium glutamate is harmful - but no one read that the conclusion was made after this one began to feed rat glutamate, bringing its share to 50% of the diet.
          A person dies from a 3% share of salt in the diet - and nobody is afraid of it.
        4. tomket
          tomket 15 February 2018 14: 34
          0
          Quote: voyaka uh
          It is NOT harmful - ate, shook - oil did not remain in the body - remained healthy.

          And it will be better to get away from this very oil. Full benefit!
    2. hydrox
      hydrox 15 February 2018 13: 55
      0
      Quote: Egorovich
      this, in my opinion, is the height of stupidity.

      This is not stupidity, it is simply ignorance :: palm oil is the main ingredient in body hygiene products, gels and shampoos.
      Or do you wash with laundry soap in half with washing powder?
      Well, then I'm sorry, you and I, apparently, have different preferences.
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  7. aszzz888
    aszzz888 15 February 2018 10: 55
    +2
    He claimed that Indonesia could supply rubber, Palm oil

    This is to further poison the Russians.
  8. Simon
    Simon 15 February 2018 10: 56
    +1
    Quote: seti
    Who cares ? Goods are the same money. We give them military goods - they give us raw materials and products. Fair trade.

    In general, the main thing is to gain a foothold there and get a partner. In the future, it may build a base! wink
  9. Wolka
    Wolka 15 February 2018 10: 56
    0
    but barter is not the best option in international trade, especially weapons ..
    1. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 15 February 2018 14: 23
      0
      Quote: Volka
      but barter is not the best option

      Undoubtedly. But there is still a saying a titmouse in a hand is better than a crane in the sky. Would not sell them "drying" - they would buy an American F-16. And who is better off from this (especially when you consider that the competitor is being squeezed out of tune)? Undoubtedly, cash is better, as well as the fact that it is better to have something than to have nothing
  10. pavelty
    pavelty 15 February 2018 11: 11
    +3
    What nonsense our commentators write) Palm oil, rubber - horror! we will all die) Indonesia has enough money, Rosoboronexport will never sign contracts at a loss, barter and offset is only part of the contract, no one knows the conditions from you, but the plant works, there is a load and hard workers get money ... that's all tale
    1. Scalpel
      Scalpel 15 February 2018 11: 15
      +1
      And who said that at a loss. Palm oil will be sold domestically to enterprises, that's money.
    2. seti
      seti 15 February 2018 12: 29
      +2
      I try to explain the same thing, but only green toilet paper should be served to the people.
  11. Odysseus
    Odysseus 15 February 2018 11: 21
    +1
    You can congratulate Komsomoltsev. For Su-35, the second contract is small and partially in exchange for goods, but still a contract. It was prepared for a long time and finally happened .. And it seemed that no one would buy the Su-35 except the Chinese (they clearly need to see the engine).
    1. tomket
      tomket 15 February 2018 14: 36
      0
      Quote: Odyssey
      You can congratulate Komsomoltsev. For Su-35, the second contract is small and partially in exchange for goods, but still a contract. It was prepared for a long time and finally happened .. And it seemed that no one would buy the Su-35 except the Chinese (they clearly need to see the engine).

      Well, the question is. Su-35 is not so hot as it went for export. In this regard, the MiG-29М2 - 35, in terms of quantity, looks better. So can it make the main export unit?
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 15 February 2018 14: 44
        +1
        I missed something, but who ordered a new MiG besides Syria (refusal of supplies due to the situation in 2013) and Egypt? Interest on the Su-35 is. There are no solid contracts.

        And then, now 35 is uncompetitive. In the current form. Competitors in the same price range have AFAR, support for containers of various manufacturers. MiG - Zhuk-M slotted and container only those that are now in layouts.
      2. Grigory_45
        Grigory_45 15 February 2018 18: 36
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        Quote: tomket
        So can it make it the main export unit?

        Actually, they are trying to make the Mig-35 an export airplane. We don’t need it ourselves (they buy “dryers” from us, MiGs bought it for averting eyes - they say, look, and we ourselves have it. It's like a litmus test - it will alert the buyer if the relatives of the aircraft do not use it) But the MiG-35, I think, is uncompetitive . According to the characteristics in the form in which it is now. Tighten it (put new engines and AFAR) - and it will cost like a foreign plane. If earlier you always took the price / quality ratio, then the MiG-35 does not have it, this advantage
  12. Butchcassidy
    Butchcassidy 15 February 2018 12: 39
    +2
    The supply of modern aircraft according to the laws of Indonesia is linked to offset commitments and countertrade.

    This means that we are committed to purchasing certain national goods. These issues are agreed


    Read carefully! It does not say that it is about barter. We are talking about the compulsory procurement of national goods as one of the terms of the transaction in the framework of the VLB trade. I don’t see a problem.
  13. Misha Kvakina
    Misha Kvakina 15 February 2018 14: 37
    0
    Not a bad deal! It’s just that the goods were of high quality, but this is a question for the employees of the Federal Service for Supervision of Consumer Rights Protection and Human Welfare ...
  14. gig334
    gig334 16 February 2018 08: 15
    +1
    He claimed that Indonesia could supply rubber, palm oil


    And why do we need rubber and palm oil, which shortens the life of customers? let the Kremlin eat this oil.
    1. ZVO
      ZVO 16 February 2018 12: 34
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      Quote: gig334
      And why do we need rubber and palm oil, which shortens the life of customers? let the Kremlin eat this oil.


      We need rubber to make rubber ...
      Rubber in the country needs a lot ...
      The same automotive industry consumes a huge amount of rubber.

      And we also need palm oil.

      It's all about prices