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Russian monopoly in space will soon end, warned in RSC Energia

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The implementation of the plans of American companies to create manned spacecraft threatens Russia's monopoly in this area, reports RIA News.




The report of the Energia Rocket and Space Corporation (RSC) for 4 quarter 2017 of the year states that “after the closure of the American Space Shuttle program in 2011, Russia became a monopolist in the manned flight market, but already in 2012, NASA began to deliver cargo to ISS using Dragon ships, and from 2013 on Cygnus ships ”. As a result, American orders for the carriage of goods through the Progress were reduced.

The corporation also noted that "NASA plans to start operating manned commercial ships Starliner (Boeing) and Crew Dragon (Space X) in 2019 year." In this regard, "Russia's monopoly in the market seems short-lived," and competition will only increase.

At the same time, the RSC added that the demand for Soyuz and Progress type ships for the near future (at least for the ISS operation) will remain. This is due to “Russia's international obligations to deliver international crew members and cargoes to the station”.
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  1. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 15 February 2018 10: 06
    +27
    Sleep further, RSC Energia. BUT keep in mind that Americans are good at long-term play.
    1. Scoun
      Scoun 15 February 2018 10: 38
      +19
      Quote: x.andvlad
      Sleep further, RSC Energia. BUT keep in mind that Americans are good at long-term play.

      For 7 years the Americans have been testing several new carriers, including rotating vehicles ...
      Honestly .... ours sat on currency and now they are asking for help from the state, they are used to squandering and not creating.
    2. Petr1968
      Petr1968 15 February 2018 11: 17
      +5
      Quote: x.andvlad
      Sleep further, RSC Energia. BUT keep in mind that Americans know how to play "for a long time

      Americans are all stupid. The Russian people are more talented than the American people, said Igor Shuvalov, First Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian government.
    3. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 15 February 2018 11: 18
      +7
      Quote: x.andvlad
      Sleep further, RSC Energia. BUT keep in mind that Americans are good at long-term play.

      Let them play "for a long time", and we will do ... Moreover, design and technical solutions will be cheaper and more efficient. Just as usual, we "harness for a long time" ...
      1. Grits
        Grits 15 February 2018 11: 33
        +20
        Just as usual, we "harness for a long time" ...
        The fact of the matter is that they will be harnessed for a very long time. our Roscosm did not move his brains or hands, receiving free money for the achievements of Soviet engineers and designers. During this time, the Americans rushed so far that it would be impossible to catch up with them.
        I can imagine with what pleasure Korolyov would spit in the face of the braggart Rogozin with his "trampoline"
        1. Nikolai Grek
          Nikolai Grek 16 February 2018 00: 50
          0
          Quote: Gritsa
          During this time the Americans have rushed so far

          why then fly on our engines and rockets ??? what fool fool fool laughing laughing
      2. ZVO
        ZVO 15 February 2018 12: 49
        +12
        Quote: Nyrobsky
        Quote: x.andvlad
        Sleep further, RSC Energia. BUT keep in mind that Americans are good at long-term play.

        Let them play "for a long time", and we will do ... Moreover, design and technical solutions will be cheaper and more efficient. Just as usual, we "harness for a long time" ...


        We will not do it.
        If you only knew a little about the technique. and if they knew the term "technological order", or knew about the 6th technological revolution, they would be sure. that "harnessing for a long time" will never help.
        And to stay in place - you need to run ... And these are not "fabulous words from Carroll" - this is a fact of reality at the present modern life.
      3. Petr1968
        Petr1968 15 February 2018 13: 32
        +4
        Quote: Nyrobsky
        Just as usual, we "harness for a long time" ...

        This also applies to the World Cup. Let's take and tear them all! ... Eh ... well, that's not for sure))
      4. Beby
        Beby 15 February 2018 21: 59
        +1
        Quote: Nyrobsky
        Moreover, design and technical solutions will be cheaper and more efficient.

        To do something good, you need pay good salaries to those who 'it' will design and produce. Well, if they pay to a minimum salaries, then the products will work too on the verge of this minimum, .. and not always on top of this edge.
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 15 February 2018 23: 00
          +2
          Quote: Beby
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          Moreover, design and technical solutions will be cheaper and more efficient.

          To do something good, you need pay good salaries to those who 'it' will design and produce. Well, if they pay to a minimum salaries, then the products will work too on the verge of this minimum, .. and not always on top of this edge.

          You see, dear, if in Western countries "mosch" works exclusively for the grandmother, then in Russia this same "mosch" works for "evil enemies" and often at a loss. Just because "fuck we give up." Nobody expected the armata, which jumped out of the snuffbox like a devil, but everyone unconditionally admits that they do not yet have the opportunity to show something like that. As for our presence and our capabilities for the development of the Northern Sea Route, here, too, "sworn friends" admit the fact that they are 10-15 years behind, which we will not stand still either. In space, these star-studded guys are worried. that some of our vehicles do not change orbit in a predictable way and may pose a threat to their satellite system. Maybe we can just better keep quiet about what we have? Here our general "let slip" about the production of the 6th generation fighter ......... the "partners" had diarrhea. Backwardness? I don't think so)))
          1. Beby
            Beby 15 February 2018 23: 42
            +4
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            You understand dear

            I understand, 'dear', that when the head constantly hurts about how to feed and provide for the family, the result of the work much worsethan when the head does not hurt about everyday problems, and you can happily (!) concentrate on difficult, but necessary work. And "need" (in a capitalist society) is usually measured by wages.

            And this:
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            Just because "fuck we give up."
            - leave it for the youngsters who can soar like "show yourself." Мы (population of the Russian Federation), maybe we won't give up, but us the oligarchy will both surrender and sell - or are there reasonable doubts about other actions of Chubais and Co., when they are squeezed?
            1. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 16 February 2018 00: 20
              +2
              Quote: Beby
              We (the population of the Russian Federation) may not "surrender," but the oligarchy will both surrender and sell us - or are there reasonable doubts about other actions of Chubais and Co. when they are squeezed?
              You would not confuse hell with scrambled eggs. What levers of influence does Chubais have? Belonging to the Bilderberg Club or a position at NANO? This is referred to among numismatists as "fufel". It looks like a valuable coin, but has no price. Yes, these characters are still present, but Russia’s decisions are no longer influenced.
              1. Beby
                Beby 16 February 2018 10: 57
                0
                1. You misjudge the essence of the influence of Chubais and Co. (ie, the oligarchy and other bourgeois parasites): they bleed the economy of the Russian Federation, constantly pumping out money. Which leads to a significant compression of opportunities.
                2. At a critical moment, this group will deal with saving itself and stolen capital (mainly money), instead of dealing with the problems of the Russian Federation. As a result, a vacuum will emerge in the “vertical of power”, and the “very top” will actually be isolated from the “bottom”. And at this most critical moment, the cost of each hour of such isolation can amount to thousands and tens of thousands of lives of citizens of the Russian Federation.
                3. The problem of crappy wages (for workers who really do something, and not the ass-hours incubate) in the state. corporations have not absorbed anywhere ...
            2. SOLDAFON
              SOLDAFON 16 February 2018 20: 42
              +1
              Yes, when you get drunk already, in 91, such comrades also wanted more salaries and for the sausage the Bush legs and Vidic destroyed a great country, so they haven't gotten drunk yet? problem? is missing something? hunger in the country? nothing to wear? or nowhere to live? you are sent to camps for nonsense that you carry? why are some individuals always unhappy with everything?
          2. Ehanatone
            Ehanatone 18 February 2018 06: 40
            -1
            Narobsky
            If anything, then before the really snuff-box Armata there was and is not at all the snuff-box T-95, which is much ahead of the Armata, but it took somewhere and disappeared, or it disappeared - anAlmalia, however.
    4. NEXUS
      NEXUS 15 February 2018 13: 42
      +7
      Quote: x.andvlad
      Sleep further, RSC Energia. BUT keep in mind that Americans are good at long-term play.

      Well, they don't quite sleep ...
      The head of the state corporation "Roscosmos" Igor Komarov said that the first launch of the new Russian spacecraft "Federation" will be carried out in 2022 from the Baikonur cosmodrome.

      According to TASS, the head of Roscosmos announced a serious reduction in budgetary funding for cosmodromes, since the main costs of ground infrastructure for the project of the manned spacecraft "Federation" will be borne by Kazakhstan.
      The first launch of the Federation spacecraft will be carried out using the Soyuz-5 launch vehicle at the launch pad of the Baikonur cosmodrome. Igor Komarov noted that the launch of the new launch vehicle will significantly reduce the cost of placing the payload into orbit and significantly increase the efficiency of launch services in a competitive environment.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 15 February 2018 15: 09
        +3
        Andrei hi Well, you are not a naive person in that part when we talk about the timing ... Perhaps to .... I'm even afraid to wang. Maybe then our "economists-Kudrintsy" will count that we no longer need space.
        Quote: NEXUS
        Quote: x.andvlad
        Sleep further, RSC Energia. BUT keep in mind that Americans are good at long-term play.

        Well, they don't quite sleep ...
        The head of the state corporation "Roscosmos" Igor Komarov said that the first launch of the new Russian spacecraft "Federation" will be carried out in 2022 from the Baikonur cosmodrome.

        According to TASS, the head of Roscosmos announced a serious reduction in budgetary funding for cosmodromes, since the main costs of ground infrastructure for the project of the manned spacecraft "Federation" will be borne by Kazakhstan.
        The first launch of the Federation spacecraft will be carried out using the Soyuz-5 launch vehicle at the launch pad of the Baikonur cosmodrome. Igor Komarov noted that the launch of the new launch vehicle will significantly reduce the cost of placing the payload into orbit and significantly increase the efficiency of launch services in a competitive environment.
  2. Looking Petrovich
    Looking Petrovich 15 February 2018 10: 09
    +19
    Quote: x.andvlad
    Sleep on ..

    There is no time for jokes. Sadly, everything is turning out - Roscosmos is losing its orders. Everything needs to be changed.
    1. Petr1968
      Petr1968 15 February 2018 11: 18
      +7
      Quote: Looking Petrovich
      There is no time for jokes. Sadly, everything is turning out - Roscosmos is losing its orders. Everything needs to be changed.

      It is necessary to change, since 2025 it is planned to consider this issue.
  3. Professor
    Professor 15 February 2018 10: 10
    +33
    The implementation of plans by American companies to create manned spacecraft threatens Russia's monopoly in this area, RIA Novosti reports.

    False. The Deputy Prime Minister, a specialist, clearly indicated with which rubber product the Americans will put the cargo into orbit. And he, by the way, at office.
    1. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 15 February 2018 10: 21
      +20
      Well, Rogozin said about the trampoline, so what? He did not say that the Americans would always turn to Russia for help (in terms of rocket engines). Professor, you always have an irresistible desire to show the language of Russia. Whatever you write, whatever news you are always ahead of everyone with criticism. And when will Israel begin to launch its "interplanetary" ships into space?
      1. Korax71
        Korax71 15 February 2018 10: 32
        +15
        Enough for the engines already. How many of them are supplied per year ???? 5-6 units ???? they have documentation for them. And it is not a problem to establish production on site. Only in Russia it is still cheaper to buy them. And Israel it will launch its alien ships when Russia catches up with it in medicine and overtakes it in quality.
        1. rotmistr60
          rotmistr60 15 February 2018 10: 38
          +9
          Enough with the engines ...
          I didn’t touch Rogozin’s statement. All claims to your fellow tribesman. Regarding medicine, can you tell me how many% of immigrants from the USSR work in this field and how many of their children?
          1. Korax71
            Korax71 15 February 2018 11: 31
            +7
            Open your eyes! We have it just like you. And what does it have to do with immigrants from the USSR. I don’t understand your logic. If there is only one school of instruction, then why the hell is our medicine so developed? That there are no doubts about Jewish healers from God. arises. it was under the USSR, and now. there is more mentality. and if now the brothers Israelis begin to present for Jewish pogroms, for the supply of weapons and specialists to Egypt. and after all, the USSR at one time loved to feed the opponents of Israel. you have something with bile in my opinion, and it begins to stand out when either Jews or Americans appear.
            1. rotmistr60
              rotmistr60 15 February 2018 12: 05
              +6
              .you have something with bile in my opinion, and it starts to stand out when either Jews or Americans appear.
              When reading comments like yours
              Enough for the engines already. How many of them are supplied per year ???? 5-6 units ???? they have documentation for them. And it is not a problem to establish production on site. Only in Russia it is still cheaper to buy them. And Israel will launch its alien ships then,when Russia catches up with it in medicine, and overtakes it in quality.
              You yourself butted the "professor" into my answer. It turns out that you are allowed to criticize us, and we say something in response, no, no?
              1. Korax71
                Korax71 15 February 2018 13: 00
                +8
                Who do you want? If anything, then I am the same Jew as you are an American. What at one time Rogozin could not resist from bravado and from rasping, so this is his jamb. And the fact that he will be laid up for the rest of his life, deservedly. The professor did not say anything new and offensive to his conscience. As far as criticism from him is concerned, in many respects he is right, well, maybe a different form of criticism could be applied. Most likely you simply cannot tolerate criticism, even constructive, against the country or the regime. already a serious illness.
          2. JonnyT
            JonnyT 15 February 2018 11: 54
            +10
            Rogizin is a buffoon and buffoon! But Roscosmos seems to be living in Narnia - there is no competition there.

            They sit at fifth points, thanks to 50's rockets and cut money, for which they make boobs to their mistresses, they buy yachts and dachas from France.
            But millions spend on computer animation.
            What cosmos is to them - they all think of earthly joys
        2. Nikolai Grek
          Nikolai Grek 16 February 2018 00: 58
          +1
          Quote: Korax71
          .a Israel will launch its alien ships when Russia catches up with it in medicine and overtakes it in quality of the UAV.

          what what what

          ... For a businessman from Stavropol, Igor Dobrovolsky, the issue price has never been a priority when choosing where to go for health. Both he and his family members were examined in Germany eitherIsrael. They did not even consider Russian centers. When Igor was diagnosed with cancer, out of habit he looked for a clinic abroad.

          “And then a business partner advised to look at the oncology center in Novosibirsk. I was extremely skeptical about his proposal. Our medicine did not inspire confidence in me,” the businessman recalls.
          His ideas about domestic health care were formed in the 1990s, when he had to treat his father for oncology. "Wretched equipment, stripped wards ... Then the doctors themselves said: if there is a possibility, it is better to go abroad," says Igor. Therefore, he scoffed at the friendly advice to contact the Novosibirsk cancer center.
          However, having studied the equipment of this oncology center, the offered conditions and after reading the reviews, I was pleasantly surprised. I made inquiries, consulted and eventually decided to trust my native medicine.

          Almost a year has passed since the businessman returned from the Novosibirsk cancer center. Igor does not regret his decision at all. Both the operation and rehabilitation were successful.
          “At first I was very tense, doubts overcame. Seeing that everything was on the level, I calmed down. In the end, I also saved a good amount,” he says.
          He says that the treatment cost him four times cheaper than it would have been in Israeli request request tongue tongue tongue clinic where he wanted to go. For good advice, Igor presented his friend, an inveterate hunter, a collection gun.

          https://ria.ru/society/20180114/1512526814.html
      2. Professor
        Professor 15 February 2018 13: 16
        +7
        Quote: rotmistr60
        Well Rogozin said about the trampoline, so what?

        Rogozin is not the last person in power and what he says is of great importance.

        Quote: JonnyT
        Rogizin is a buffoon and buffoon!

        Dmitry Olegovich Rogozin (born 21 December 1963, Moscow) - Russian statesman,
        diplomat,
        doctor of philosophical science,
        Doctor of Technical Sciences.
        Since December 2011 - Deputy Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation, Chairman of the Board of the Military-Industrial Commission of the Russian Federation,
        Supervisory Board of the State Corporation "Roskosmos",
        Supervisory Board of the Advanced Research Foundation,
        Maritime College under the Government of the Russian Federation,
        State Commission for the Development of the Arctic,
        State Border Commission, Export Control Commission of the Russian Federation,
        Board of Trustees of the Russian Military Historical Society.
    2. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 16 February 2018 00: 52
      0
      Quote: Professor
      False. Vice-Premier, a specialist, clearly indicated what rubber product the Americans would use to launch the cargo into orbit.

      You won't give them a trampoline ??? what wassat lol lol lol
  4. helmi8
    helmi8 15 February 2018 10: 11
    +6
    At the same time, RKK added that the demand for ships of the Soyuz and Progress type in the near future (at least for the period of ISS operation) will persist.
    Well, the Stars and Stripes have already announced the curtailment of cooperation on the ISS ...
    1. Petr1968
      Petr1968 15 February 2018 11: 20
      +4
      Quote: helmi8
      Well, the Stars and Stripes have already announced the end of cooperation on the ISS ..

      This is a pre-election attack on Putin! Which means that we are doing everything right. Nothing needs to be changed !!! They only expect it from us !!!
      1. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 15 February 2018 12: 35
        +4
        Let's not do anything, so what? Roscosmos needs to scratch less than one place and work more for the future, analyze promising developments, create something new more often. Only then does this organization have a future.
        1. Petr1968
          Petr1968 15 February 2018 13: 36
          +7
          Quote: Herman 4223
          Let's not do anything, so what? Roscosmos needs to scratch less than one place and work more for the future, analyze promising developments, create something new more often. Only then does this organization have a future

          Ours declared that Musk's developments were a publicity stunt. Our rockets are the best. Father illuminates them. Where else in the world are there such?
          1. Herman 4223
            Herman 4223 15 February 2018 15: 02
            +3
            Well, if the priest lights up the tady, okay, then everything is fine.
          2. Nikolai Grek
            Nikolai Grek 16 February 2018 01: 02
            0
            Quote: Petr1968
            Ours declared that Musk's developments were a publicity stunt.

            no ??? what what As I recall, he did not promise to launch Tesla into space, but much heavier loads ... correct me, if something is wrong !!! repeat repeat repeat wassat wassat
  5. Azazelo
    Azazelo 15 February 2018 10: 12
    +4
    Let them do it first and return the living back.
  6. Simon
    Simon 15 February 2018 10: 14
    +4
    Let's see how long the Americans last! By that time, our people will think of something better. The younger generation is growing up - geeks and erudites! wink
    1. LSA57
      LSA57 15 February 2018 10: 25
      +2
      Quote: Simon
      The younger generation is growing up - geeks and erudites!

      it's not in vain that the Russian hacker shakes and crumbles at the words
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 15 February 2018 11: 08
      +16
      In the sense? They (the whole world) are just turning around.
      Dragon and Zingus - carry on the ISS more than progress.
      Kounotori is lucky as 2,5 Progress. But there, in fact, the most utilitarian barrel-type apparatus is on an average rocket, which is additionally loaded with different nanosatellites.

      This year:
      Virgin - returns to the race, they will soon have an air start from a new carrier. In the future, the 2 of the spacecraft will carry one tourists into space, and the second rocket with a booster block will launch satellites.
      Boeing and Orbital - launch Starliner in August. If flight and landing will be successful in November-December, this crew is flying to the ISS.

      Musk is also in the race for the title of first-person delivery man on the ISS without the participation of Russia since the shuttle refused. August-September Dragon2 manned until the end of the year, if drone will pass the program.
      Private rocket Electron from the cosmodrome in New Zealand in March launches the first частный lander on the moon - this will begin the first private Moon Express research mission (4-sized devices will be launched in the coming years).

      Next year:
      The first flight of SLS - immediately to fly around the moon. The most expensive and heaviest rocket in the world. Made in Boeing and YULA.
      The finish line for the Bezos system (this is the richest man in the world - who does not need to be promoted like a Mask, so they saw their system relatively quietly) - NewGlen3 plan 40 tons for NOU at a cost of kg significantly less than that of Mask. NewShepard is perhaps the most advanced device for orbital missions, which is already in metal today. They made final reduced tests in December last. 19 expects a full flight according to the program.



      In the future, the share of new missile systems will only grow. The Chinese will soon come out with Spyone. There are several more private companies in the USA. Engaged in new systems in Europe.
      1. Zhelezyakin
        Zhelezyakin 15 February 2018 11: 37
        +1
        Yes, our rolls relaxed early ...
        1. sapporo1959
          sapporo1959 16 February 2018 21: 10
          0
          Well, why bother when Rogozin has trampolines just prepared. The Americans were not useful, but they will be just right for us ... Moreover, Dimka has no money!
    3. Alf
      Alf 15 February 2018 22: 41
      +1
      Quote: Simon
      The younger generation is growing up - geeks and erudites!

      Only these are geeks and erudites for some reason, no factories do not go, everyone strives for commerce.
  7. Altona
    Altona 15 February 2018 10: 16
    +12
    Quote: Professor
    False. The Deputy Prime Minister, a specialist, clearly indicated with which rubber product the Americans will put the cargo into orbit. And he, by the way, at office.

    -------------------------------
    The vice-premier has a financial and managerial talented son - an aviation and astronautics specialist. And the vice-premier himself sawed the Vostochny cosmodrome very well with someone, and all this multibillion-dollar halda made only a couple of launches, and one unsuccessful.
    1. JonnyT
      JonnyT 15 February 2018 11: 58
      +3
      Come on, what are you. It is much more pleasant for the people to look at the sleek minister in a suit for several thousand euros, on a new Mercedes - this is the same face of Russia in the international arena.
  8. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 15 February 2018 10: 17
    +10
    Stating facts without unnecessary optimism is good. But I would like to see a development plan, not panic-like rela- tions. It looks like knocking out big extra chunks of government funding.
  9. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 15 February 2018 10: 21
    +13
    And most importantly, none of the current managers of Roscosmos is to blame! Well, the stars have formed! And not to be held accountable, not 37 after all. And such managers suit the guarantor! Yes, there were times worse, but the rulers were better.
    1. Alex-a832
      Alex-a832 15 February 2018 10: 53
      +6
      A list of the best rulers, except for Stalin, well, at least for the last hundred years, tell me?
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 15 February 2018 16: 26
        0
        Why do we limit ourselves to a hundred years?
  10. Serpent Pliskin
    Serpent Pliskin 15 February 2018 10: 26
    +4
    What, what? The monopoly will end, they say? Is she there? It seems like there has been no monopoly for a couple of years.
    1. Genry
      Genry 15 February 2018 11: 13
      +3
      Quote: Snake Pliskin
      It seems like there has been no monopoly for a couple of years.

      Monopoly on human flights ... Who, on a regular basis, besides Russia?
  11. bald
    bald 15 February 2018 10: 39
    +4
    Developers and manufacturers both have worked and will continue to work. Competition will not add intelligence to developers, except that budget revenues will decrease. Who wants to think - thinks.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 15 February 2018 11: 16
      +10
      Not. Well, that is, look. In 2013, 11 protons flew away, in 2017 - 4, in 2018 - 2-3.

      It is one thing to provide full-time workers with salaries for 11 products per year, and another for 2-3. That is, the price of the rocket will increase with a decrease in the number of annual output.

      Also in the Union.

      SES went to the Mask, Roscosmos completes the contract and what's next? Other large commercial companies are also looking at others. For example, Eutelsat has already concluded the first contracts with Bezos. Not now, but let's say by the 20-21 year. When Musk bursts out, the Chinese will catch up, Bezos flies in - they will devour the main pie of commercial launches. There are no commercial starts - there is no money, except budgetary, and then the lag will only increase.
      1. bald
        bald 15 February 2018 11: 49
        +1
        That's right, that's the way it is. But you can't tell minds (science) - do it faster and better. I think in this area, we do not have American - Chinese, commercial - balamut (in a good way) thinking. We do everything with "serious" faces. I had to work on the p \ a adjustment. We handled one product per space. They hurried. So much work was invested in it, but it never went well, it was not brought to mind.
        1. nod739
          nod739 15 February 2018 13: 35
          +1
          just have experience - do it faster and better ...,
          but from the same experience - you need money, without money it will not work any faster or better ...
          1. bald
            bald 15 February 2018 15: 32
            +1
            It was long ago, not a request for me. Money is not always everything.
  12. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 15 February 2018 10: 41
    +6
    Russian monopoly in space will soon come to an end

    Oh, well .... It can't be .... And, of course, Rogozin with his "trampolines" ..... winked
    1. jeka424
      jeka424 15 February 2018 10: 47
      +3
      So they will only jump on a trampoline into space
  13. Anton Boldakov
    Anton Boldakov 15 February 2018 10: 45
    +2
    Everything would be fine, but ... how to hint it - during the imposition of sanctions against the Russian Federation, they made a special reservation - “there will be no restrictions on cooperation between NASA and Roscosmos. he, traditionally, was sent "to the forest, to milk the cows."
    It's too early to write off Roskosos - the United States is still buying our engines and components.
    1. nod739
      nod739 15 February 2018 13: 36
      +5
      yeah, they take it out in echelons, but we don't know at what corners of the money from this contract to shove ...
  14. Bypassed
    Bypassed 15 February 2018 10: 47
    +2
    And representatives of Roscosmos already know about this themselves:
    Roscosmos proposed launching a Russian lunar multifunctional module on an American rocket. This statement was made at a meeting of the multilateral coordinating council for the development of the international lunar station DSG (Deep Space Gateway) in Tokyo (Japan), Popular Mechanics writes.
    “Russia will play an important role in the final design and designation of the station, although the state corporation was late in accepting the project. Now Russia is trying to understand its political position and the level of technical contribution to the DSG, ”notes the journalist Anatoly Zak. He added that the US, EU, Canada and Japan recognized Russia's lag.
    Before the meeting in Tokyo, the head of Roscosmos, Igor Komarov, held a meeting in Russia with experts in manned astronautics. RSC Energia proposed to create a multipurpose module for DSG, capable of simultaneously performing the functions of a laboratory, residential and airlock blocks. Previously, the development of such a product was not included in the project of the lunar station.
    1. Sanichsan
      Sanichsan 15 February 2018 13: 46
      0
      Quote: PASSED BY
      Roscosmos offered to launch a Russian lunar multifunctional module

      Quote: PASSED BY
      at the meeting of the multilateral coordination council for the development of the international lunar station DSG (Deep Space Gateway) in Tokyo (Japan)

      so Russian or international?
  15. Ascetic
    Ascetic 15 February 2018 10: 47
    +5
    "NASA plans to start operating the manned commercial spacecraft Starliner (Boeing) and Crew Dragon (Space X) in 2019."

    SpaceX planned its first manned flight in 2017. and even at the end of 2016.
    “We have a very aggressive and exciting year ahead of us,” said Garrett Reisman, SpaceX chief executive responsible for building the manned spacecraft and a former NASA astronaut.
    If all goes according to plan, SpaceX says it could perform the first Dragon-2 flight to the ISS automatically at the end of 2016. An orbital test flight with two pilots will follow in early 2017. It will complete a series of test benchmarks leading to the capsule certification NASA, which will allow the start of manned flights to the space station.

    Development of the Dragon-2 crewed capsule began a few years ago when SpaceX received the first tranche from the federal fund in 2011 to create a manned spacecraft.

    In September 2014, NASA entered into a $ 2,6 billion deal with SpaceX to complete work on the Dragon-2 manned space capsule. The contract also provides for six work missions, during which NASA astronauts are to be flown to the space station and returned to Earth once the work is completed. Boeing is designing a rival spacecraft called the CST-100. The agency has also won a $ 4,2 billion contract with the space contractor. The purpose of the contract is the development and production of its own commercial manned spacecraft.

    Both companies say they are strictly on schedule and ready to launch astronauts in 2017, thus eliminating the need for NASA to launch astronauts on Russia's Soyuz.

    link
    The one that we are waiting for, just like Orion
    the Orion capsule and the Space Launch System (SLS) heavy launch vehicle are slated for $ 3,7 billion in the next fiscal year. This will keep the program on track for a test launch and first manned flight around the Moon by 2023, "says a budget request to Congress

    The United States intends to send the ship on a manned flight around the Moon by 2023
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 15 February 2018 11: 39
      +1
      First Starliner. Then Musk. Then Bezos. Then Orion. Orion generally do not for orbital if that.
  16. serriy
    serriy 15 February 2018 10: 49
    +9
    They are driving us into our heads - we have to earn money in space, we have to carry other people's astronauts, deliver goods, ride tourists, take out other people's satellites. We have forgotten - space must be studied, mastered. Where did it go? Even the space station - WE ARE THERE A PAID FOR SERVICE, THIS STATION IS A SUITCASE WITHOUT A HANDLE FOR US! Even our lunar program, which is planned for the distant future - with the use of an American superheavy rocket !!! Where are our achievements !? No. Liberalists got the top managers, spanking thief. We discussed the Brezhnev stagnation. And 30 years of stagnation !? Not funny!? Not sad !? negative negative negative
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat 15 February 2018 11: 34
      +5
      No .... You are wrong, then there was "outrageous", "socialist" stagnation, and now the "correct" "capitalist" doing nothing and plundering through the "one-day" firms and "washerwomen". wink
  17. Babur_Imperat
    Babur_Imperat 15 February 2018 10: 49
    +1
    In Russia, it has been introduced in all posts in both high and low western agents whose purpose is the destruction of the east and Turkey and Russia
    1. KonoGon
      KonoGon 15 February 2018 14: 16
      +1
      Quote: Babur_Imperatorlugu
      the purpose of which is the destruction of the east and Turkey and Russia
      The whole east? East of what?
    2. Don
      Don 15 February 2018 18: 53
      +2
      Quote: Babur_Imperatorlugu
      In Russia, it has been introduced in all posts in both high and low western agents whose purpose is the destruction of the east and Turkey and Russia

      Or maybe our king is fake?
  18. Alex-a832
    Alex-a832 15 February 2018 10: 49
    +3
    Monopoly technologies do not last long these days. Or someone creates an analogue, or a fundamentally different alternative. It would be naive to believe that our monopoly on space cargo transportation will last long. Soon, the monopoly will go away for throwing astronauts into orbit, if a fundamentally new thing is not introduced. Everything is as usual in Russia - until the thunder breaks out, the peasant does not cross himself.
  19. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 15 February 2018 10: 55
    +7
    Oh, how so .... quite .... just recently there was "refuted" Ilona Mask, called him "yellow fish and earthworm", sorry - "Macaroni Monster" .... and now .... and who would have thought, who would have thought .... winked
    1. KonoGon
      KonoGon 15 February 2018 14: 17
      +2
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      who would have thought
      So after all, they wanted the best ... but did not say who is better
    2. Don
      Don 15 February 2018 19: 11
      +1
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      Oh, how so .... quite .... just recently there was "refuted" Ilona Mask, called him "yellow fish and earthworm", sorry - "Macaroni Monster" .... and now .... and who would have thought, who would have thought .... winked

      Especially stubborn still refuse to soberly look at the current situation. They don’t want to listen to anything about tomorrow. Well, okay, these are their problems, as they say. And Musk is handsome, recruited talented, motivated youth into his team. He gave them the main thing - the dream.
  20. armourer
    armourer 15 February 2018 11: 10
    +1
    How many secret space developments remained from the USSR, implement and you will be happy. Otherwise it will be different
  21. viktor.
    viktor. 15 February 2018 11: 11
    +1
    This is where you need to compete, and not who will kill who better.
  22. Firework
    Firework 15 February 2018 11: 13
    +2
    over time, it will be cheaper to send people into space with the help of private companies and this is great
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 15 February 2018 11: 48
      +3
      Well, Bezos (the one who is Mask's main rival, BlueOrigin) said that his goal was to make the tourist space accessible as much as he used to buy two Paris-New York Concorde tickets.
  23. Ierarh
    Ierarh 15 February 2018 11: 15
    +5

    Oligarchs to the wall, their loot is in business! bully
    1. Gogia
      Gogia 15 February 2018 11: 37
      0
      Unfortunately Angara does not even provide for reusability !! At least the dviguns would be lowered by parachute ...
      1. Servisinzhener
        Servisinzhener 15 February 2018 11: 58
        +1
        I think that reusability as such is not so important. The main thing is the payload output cost and reliability.
    2. Firework
      Firework 15 February 2018 12: 00
      +2
      Quote: Ierarh
      Oligarchs to the wall, their loot is in business!

      this will scare the whole world, the country will become the second Korea.
      it is enough to introduce high taxes for the rich
  24. cedar
    cedar 15 February 2018 11: 16
    +2
    Quote: Monster_Fat
    Oh, how so .... quite .... just recently there was "refuted" Ilona Mask, called him "yellow fish and earthworm", sorry - "Macaroni Monster" .... and now .... and who would have thought, who would have thought .... winked


    So think about it, paint it with your brains ... The first reason, as you see, is ... There will be a second and a third ...

    Here you have the Moon, Mars and the Andromeda Nebula. Hello Mask ...
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat 15 February 2018 11: 22
      0
      use your brains so to speak

      "Bullet .... In the head ..... Explosive ...." - thought Stirlitz, brainwashing ..... "(Anecdote). wink
      1. cedar
        cedar 15 February 2018 12: 40
        +1
        I can't help you ... Live as you are ...
  25. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 15 February 2018 11: 21
    +2
    We realized ... Where is the Federation? And, here it is - the very model that is being dragged from MAX to MAX; without even repainting.

    THIS IS ALL THE WORK DONE TO PRESERVE COMPETITIVENESS.

    Plus theft and bribery.
    1. Don
      Don 15 February 2018 19: 21
      +2
      Quote: Gormengast
      We realized ... Where is the Federation? And, here it is - the very model that is being dragged from MAX to MAX; without even repainting.

      Why are you brazenly slandering at Roskosmos? He has a lot of PLANS. Here you have new rockets, and your own orbital space station, and the construction of a base on the moon, and a flight to Mars, and much more. And the same layouts? This is just beauty. Are you not enough? Do you still probably want them to implement this? God forbid! They swelled so much budget money on one inefficient Angara that in the Moscow Region soon there would be no land left under their palaces lol
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 15 February 2018 20: 11
        0
        Roscosmos estimated the flight to Mars at 2,5 trillion rubles.
        1. sergofan1981
          sergofan1981 16 February 2018 04: 57
          0
          Did they calculate the prices for villas on the Cote d'Azur?
  26. Shkodnick
    Shkodnick 15 February 2018 11: 21
    +5
    Quote: Petr1968
    Quote: x.andvlad
    Sleep further, RSC Energia. BUT keep in mind that Americans know how to play "for a long time

    Americans are all stupid. The Russian people are more talented than the American people, said Igor Shuvalov, First Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian government.

    And he bought a whole floor in a house on Kotelnicheskaya embankment with the stolen grandmothers from talented people ...
    1. Don
      Don 15 February 2018 19: 29
      +1
      Quote: Shkodnick
      And he bought a loot from the talented people as much as a whole floor in the house on Kotelnicheskaya embankment

      What a naive you are, however laughing People like Shuvalov BUY such things will never be. Good people give them to them just like that, from a good heart wink
  27. Gogia
    Gogia 15 February 2018 11: 35
    +5
    We have not had a monopoly for a long time. The United States had 2017 or 18 launches in 19, we only 11, China 8 so far.
    There are no new carriers and effective managers only ask for dough for "mastering"
    A lot of money was spent on Vostochny (I doubt that it is badly needed), which could be spent on projects for return media. How did those idiots laugh at Musk? Now you have to ask them - Ridiculous ??? Very??? The old men from the factories were dispersed and made heads of the EM type Rogozin ml. And in the USSR, the head of such an office had to grow out of there in order to understand the whole scheme of work of the enterprise and the industry as a whole.
    Money to Angara Vbuholi and to Proton and Soyuz and Angara by pumping promising developments that Energia had for a long time. I am silent about reusable systems. We throw away an engine every time that can be 10 !!! launches to provide, and this is the most expensive part of the launch vehicle !!! It is necessary to redraw the entire industry again cleanly. People to invite from Ukraine the same. What a mess is going on. the Americans came close to launching huge interplanetary stations - 2 super heavy are being tested. Musk knocked down the price unbelievably, it is already more profitable to pay the penalty than to take the load off on Proton. In short, about the rally and now you have to catch up again like with a shuttle.
  28. _Jack_
    _Jack_ 15 February 2018 11: 52
    +2
    woke up, she had already come to an end
  29. Servisinzhener
    Servisinzhener 15 February 2018 12: 08
    +2
    What are you talking about! And the fact that for many years now our missile launches end with the multi-billion-dollar “BULL” in the ocean do not bother them? And the fact that with the existing Angara rocket, they began to do a Soyuz-5 similar in load. After all, if I’m not mistaken, the Angara was created to replace the entire large menagerie of our launch vehicles. But in the end, Angara revealed a “fatal flaw”, this rocket was not developed at RSC Energia. And therefore this shortcoming is breaking to eliminate spending time and money. As a result, you get the same eggs side view, but with the expense of time and money. Of course, each of the developers has his own ideas and ideas about how it should be, but only in the current situation, it is impossible to satisfy the ambitions of all. Therefore, it would be good to fix each topic of development, one LV, another manned ship, and third engines.
  30. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 15 February 2018 12: 36
    0
    So you need to move with the Angara and the Federation.
  31. Nadia Muratova
    Nadia Muratova 15 February 2018 12: 43
    0
    so let them send it first, otherwise they have only "presentations" but nothing is useless
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    1. Sanichsan
      Sanichsan 15 February 2018 13: 50
      +1
      trolled by Elon Musk fools who connect PR manager with achievements in the US space program laughing laughing
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 15 February 2018 20: 14
        +2
        He is the organizer and initiator of this achievement.
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 15 February 2018 16: 58
      +2
      Whether it will still be when Bezos is one of the richest people on the planet (Amazon)
      will enter the space market with its BlueOrigin. And their engines, and rockets.
      Then the Mask will have a hard time, and the rest - mascara light ...
      1. Servisinzhener
        Servisinzhener 15 February 2018 18: 20
        0
        The main thing is that ours do not rush to blindly copy Falcon or New Glenn. With shouts about how cheap and just happened with the Americans. Let's do it too. Yes, it turned out, but cheap. But the Americans also succeeded in the conditions that are now in the US space industry with their financial situation. And this is not at all a guarantee that by copying we will not get an incredibly expensive mess that nobody needs. At the same time, a bunch of launch vehicles have already spawned, such as: Energia, Rus-M, Angara (turned out to be a dead end), now they want to make Soyuz-5 and in its continuation Phoenix. No, well done, of course. laughing But this action for the sake of action is too expensive. In the end, you have to stop at something.
  33. nod739
    nod739 15 February 2018 13: 01
    +6
    those. while we are here, the Unions and Progress, under the sunset of the ISS, will they ride, will they build and work out their fleet? .. and we will remain unsuccessful for 7 years ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 15 February 2018 20: 15
      +3
      You understood correctly.
  34. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 15 February 2018 13: 56
    +3
    But the Mask is in vain here in the comments mentioned. No Mask exists. There is the American space industry. For taxpayers' money, new ships are being built using NASA technologies. Musk is a gasket designed specifically for dumping and capturing the market. So, about those who laugh at this under-Stark - I will support them.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 15 February 2018 14: 22
      +5
      All firms are private. United Launch Alliance (Boeing + Lockheed), SpaceX, Blue Origin
      The American state and NASA are not engaged in space launches anymore.
      Only private traders produce and own space rockets.
      1. Ierarh
        Ierarh 15 February 2018 14: 51
        0
        Quote: voyaka uh
        All firms are private. United Launch Alliance (Boeing + Lockheed), SpaceX, Blue Origin
        The American state and NASA are not engaged in space launches anymore.
        Only private traders produce and own space rockets.
        You are mistaken, engaged. By the hands of God Masi bully
        When is the start of the Jewish Selected Spaceship (EICC)? laughing
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 15 February 2018 16: 55
          +2
          Let's estimate ...
          The last launch of a reconnaissance satellite (Ofek-11) was in 2016.
          It is designed for about 4-5 years of operation in orbit.
          This means that the next launch of our Shavit rocket is about 2020
          with the next satellite Ofek-12. hi
          1. Ierarh
            Ierarh 15 February 2018 17: 44
            0
            This is not the EICC, this is the UHIS ... bully
          2. Ierarh
            Ierarh 15 February 2018 17: 47
            0
            And "Ofek" is that? Exclamation of relief after prolonged constipation?
  35. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 15 February 2018 15: 10
    +3
    Nefig it was stupid to "cut the cabbage" using the groundwork of other generations! It will not work to rest on our laurels ... in conditions of tough competition, it is always necessary to move forward.
    Only our, "effective" ones, can use the handicap so ineptly ((
  36. Jeremiah
    Jeremiah 15 February 2018 15: 15
    +7
    Everything is like everywhere else ... The exploitation of the Soviet legacy, the destruction of the educational and industrial base and science, the replacement of technical specialists with effective "managers" and the result begins to affect very quickly. Unfortunately, Korolyov did not live long enough to provide his underdogs with ideas for centuries to come ... Lack of state thinking among the country's leadership, currying favor with fat cats whose billions have been stolen from the whole country ..... As EBN used to say "dear Russians", this concerns you in full measure, and there is no one else to hope for except you in the future and you yourself too ...
  37. Lexus
    Lexus 15 February 2018 15: 19
    +5
    Commercial launches have already profiled. The loss of the manned launch market is only a matter of time. "Congratulations" to Roskosmos and Rogozin. am
  38. slipped
    slipped 15 February 2018 15: 54
    0
    I wonder if someone here even read the RKK report in the original? After all, there are such words: "The prospects for the further development of the Russian manned astronautics in terms of transport ships are associated with the creation of a new-generation manned transport ship, as well as a cargo cargo vehicle of increased carrying capacity." In addition, the deadline for the creation of these devices is 2021, and launches starting in 2022.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 15 February 2018 20: 18
      +3
      Well, if you really look at things, then this is at least 2031 and 2032, respectively.
  39. Archivist Vasya
    Archivist Vasya 15 February 2018 15: 56
    +1
    I agree. The first time is gone recourse
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 15 February 2018 20: 19
      0
      On the contrary, the time has come for the first - private traders.
  40. slipped
    slipped 15 February 2018 22: 42
    0
    Quote: Vadim237
    Well, if you really look at things, then this is at least 2031 and 2032, respectively.


    Uh .. don’t you turn over bags? in 2022, Soyuz-5 flies with the Federation.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 16 February 2018 01: 17
      +1
      We look at reality at 22, neither Union 5 nor the Federation will fly - they are now only in the initial stage of ROC.
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  43. slipped
    slipped 16 February 2018 11: 44
    0
    Quote: Vadim237
    We look at reality at 22, neither Union 5 nor the Federation will fly - they are now only in the initial stage of ROC.


    Boy, do you even know what OCD is? The "Federation" in-flight tests of VA in the summer, and the "Soyuz-5" is already ready EP.
  44. Old26
    Old26 16 February 2018 15: 24
    0
    At the same time, the RSC added that the demand for Soyuz and Progress type ships for the near future (at least for the ISS operation) will remain. This is due to “Russia's international obligations to deliver international crew members and cargoes to the station”.

    It is difficult to say, of course, how much demand remains. If we talk about open data, then in 2018 it is planned 4 flights of the Soyuz and 3 flights of the Progress. The next, 2019, there are already 4 “Progress” and 2 “Union”. For 2020-2021 - 3 Progress and 2 Soyuz. The total number, even in absolute figures, is reduced. 7 in 2018 and 5 in 2020. And this does not include the flights of American ships. It is very difficult to say what percentage we will occupy in 2020.

    Quote: slipped
    Boy, do you even know what OCD is? The "Federation" in-flight tests of VA in the summer, and the "Soyuz-5" is already ready EP.

    Well, it is possible that BI for VA will be held in the summer. And it is possible that by 2022 he, the ship, will be ready. The question is how to launch it. Will the launch vehicle be ready by 2022-2023, I mean at least Soyuz-5 for launch. 4 years from EP to serial rocket - isn't it not enough?

    Quote: Servisinzhener
    And the fact that with the existing Angara rocket they began to do the Soyuz-5 similar in load. After all, if I’m not mistaken, the Angara was created to replace the entire large menagerie of our launch vehicles. But in the end, the Angara revealed a "fatal flaw"; this rocket was not developed at RSC Energia.

    The existing Angara missile. What may I ask rockets? The light Angara-1.2 and the "heavy" Angara-A-5 remained from the entire line of the "Angara". The Soyuz-5-class carrier (aka Sunkar, aka EMNIP Phoenix) does not exist. It is a Zenith-class missile with a slightly higher launch weight and payload.
    "Angora" some leaders of Roscosmos tried to replace the entire line, pushing it. But as a result, we got zilch. Multibillion-dollar costs for Angara, and what's next? The only launch pad in Plesetsk. At the "Vostochny" at the start for the "Angara" even the horse did not roll. Whether "Angara" will fly at all or will they quietly write off all these multibillion-dollar costs - no one knows. In fact, the "Angara" in option A-5 can only replace the "Proton". She can't do more

    Quote: Genry
    Who, besides Russia, regularly?

    China. albeit not as regularly as Russia

    Quote: armourer
    How many secret space developments remained from the USSR, implement and you will be happy. Otherwise it will be different

    Implement? What is there? More precisely, these developments can be implemented? Well, the Energy-Buran system remained from the USSR. Can Russia implement this program now? And others too.