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With the Western world as a potential adversary, Russia should not be under the illusion that it has an aversion to mass murder of any scale.




From media reports:
The use of modern means of destruction, especially high-precision weapons, and the actions of sabotage groups could be the most likely scenario of a possible military conflict with Russia, according to a published scientific and methodological work of the Emergencies Ministry, according to RIA-news.
The authors of the study believe that the use of weapons of mass destruction, including nuclear, in a conflict with Russia is unlikely.
“When forecasting the situation, it is assumed that the target attack on the destruction of the civilian population of the Russian Federation is not inflicted by a potential adversary,” the document says.
Earlier it was reported that, taking into account modern views on the conduct of wars, the ministry proposes to abandon the practice of mass evacuation of the population in wartime
In the emergency services called the most likely scenarios of war with Russia


If this is not just another injection by the competent authorities, it is intended to completely confuse the potential enemy with a view to the Russian understanding of the nature of a future war, then it makes sense to look more closely at this theoretical work of the Emergencies Ministry.
And, above all, to note as an indisputable fact that the agency responsible for civil defense never in our stories not engaged in research in matters of military strategy and the nature of future wars. Such matters have always been the prerogative of the respective directorates of the General Staff, which brought their own vision of this global perspective to individual structures, in part regarding their contribution to the defense of the country.

Thus, it can be assumed that in this case, through the “scientific and methodological work” of the Ministry of Emergency Situations, some conceptual information from the depths of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation was leaked, which, for good, should not have been the subject of public exposure.
In any case, it is quite obvious that its source is not from EMERCOM employees, who have something to do besides military strategy. Anyway, their initiative in this matter is completely excluded. And if this vision is at least consistent with the highest point of view in the military hierarchy, then inevitably the question arises as to the degree of adequacy.

So, judging by the “leakage” of the Ministry of Emergency Situations and taking it for granted that it is not a disorienting enemy throw, then it turns out that Russian military planning basically excludes such a form of warfare against the Russian Federation as “targeted attacks on the destruction of the civilian population of the Russian Federation ".

How solid is this conclusion? Especially considering the fact that a potential adversary of Russia is the NATO bloc led by the United States.
If we approach this topic in its historical retrospect, then the optimism of the authors of the EMERCOM labor looks, to put it mildly, not entirely justified. For none other than the United States of America, together with its ally Britain, historically have been the pioneers and the only in world history practical implementers of the strategy of a total air war, the main goal of which is precisely the complete destruction of the cities of the enemy along with their entire population.

This strategy was applied on a large scale against the civilian population of Germany and Japan during the Second World War. At the same time, the number of victims of massed bombings only in Germany and only according to official, probably underestimated, American data reached one million people. In fact, given the huge variation in estimates of the effects of air strikes (for example, according to Dresden - from 35 thousands to 250 thousands of dead), there is reason to believe that the number of casualties was a multiple of a higher one.

These can decide on everything!

Which city is sleeping today? British Air Force commander Sir Charles Portal plans another massive raid. 1943 year.

As for Japan, here for the first time mass destruction of the civilian population of the US Air Force used nuclear weapons. Thus, there can be no question of the absence of a historical precedent for this military strategy in the case of the current likely adversary of the Russian Federation. As well as about the existence in the West of any moral and ethical taboos that completely exclude such a method of warfare.

It turns out that in the historical-value perspective, the conclusion sounded by the Ministry of Emergency Situations about the unreality of “targeted attacks on the destruction of the civilian population of the Russian Federation” clearly hangs in the air.

Another kind of argument in favor of such a statement is a military-strategic one, which also raises questions. It is clear that the authors of these conceptual calculations are based on the situation of nuclear-missile parity between the Russian Federation and the West, which allegedly excludes such actions due to Russia's potential for retaliatory strike.

At first glance, the way it is. However, it should not be forgotten that the West and, above all, the USA are actively developing their global missile defense system, the main purpose of which is to neutralize the response of the nuclear missile strike of the Russian Federation and, on this basis, to obtain unilateral, and decisive, military advantages. That will allow him with impunity to inflict a blow of any power and of any scale on the Russian Federation.

Thus, under certain circumstances, which cannot be completely excluded, especially from the issues of military planning, destroying strikes against Russian cities may well become an acceptable military-strategic goal for the West.
It is on the basis of this assumption that, by the way, Russia is actively working to improve the missile defense of the Moscow region, which it would hardly be worthwhile to do if we proceed from the fundamental unreality of the enemy attack against cities. Literally this week, at the Sary-Shagan test site in Kazakhstan, successful tests of the new anti-missile system ORS-1M were conducted.



Meanwhile, as reported, the Department of Civil Defense has already made a practical conclusion about the inexpediency of carrying out activities for the preparation of mass evacuation of the population (cities) in wartime. It is quite obvious that on refusal of such preparatory work, it is possible to achieve very substantial savings of public funds.

But at the same time, this means that if the West reaches the threshold of psychological readiness to attack against cities of the Russian Federation, which may be, for example, a consequence of its confidence in the reliability of its missile defense system, the civilian population of large administrative and industrial centers of Russia will not even have theoretical chances of survival. , due to the complete absence of a system of advance organizational measures of state bodies in such a case.

This is all the more regrettable that even a nuclear attack, as historical experience shows, does not lead to the complete death of the population, but it does require very large-scale efforts to overcome its consequences, evacuate the survivors and provide them with comprehensive assistance.
And this is not to mention the fact that the system of complete evacuation of the population of a large settlement must exist and be practically worked out even without dependence on the presence or absence of the threat of a nuclear attack. Especially in our age of large-scale industrial accidents and the threat of a repetition of disasters, such as Chernobyl or Fukushima. That is why the conclusion of the department that is directly responsible for rescuing the population in an emergency situation and, at the same time, excluding the possibility of a massive enemy attack from the list of such situations, seems to me somewhat strange and not quite logical.
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  1. Vladivostok1969
    Vladivostok1969 15 February 2018 05: 58
    +24
    The article fits very well with the theory of the "golden" billion. The air defense of the Moscow region will cover 15-20 million citizens necessary. A new "taiga dead end" to build. Babka Lykova is still alive.
    1. Vend
      Vend 15 February 2018 08: 51
      +7
      Times have changed. Now, if nuclear weapons are used, the whole world will fly into oblivion. Nobody can get out of it. And even burnt Russophobes understand this, so that they would not shout there.
      1. Vladivostok1969
        Vladivostok1969 15 February 2018 09: 10
        +9
        Turn off the Transib, turn off the electricity, and come to Primorye in two to three weeks. You don’t need any nuclear weapons.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 15 February 2018 20: 48
          0
          Quote: Vladivostok1969
          Shut Transib off

          How to do this physically?
          1. Vladivostok1969
            Vladivostok1969 16 February 2018 03: 19
            +1
            And for what purpose?
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 16 February 2018 17: 40
              0
              Quote: Vladivostok1969
              And for what purpose?

              To ask "and you are on whose side"?
              The Chinese cannot do the proposed thing at all.
              1. Vladivostok1969
                Vladivostok1969 17 February 2018 05: 16
                +1
                They told you about this? And my side is my own, dear.
                1. Setrac
                  Setrac 17 February 2018 14: 13
                  0
                  Quote: Vladivostok1969
                  Did they tell you about this?

                  Exactly, it was they who said all 1.5 billion at the same time.
          2. antivirus
            antivirus 18 February 2018 13: 52
            +1
            the only Taishet - there everything is 500 m concentrated
        2. AllXVahhaB
          AllXVahhaB 18 February 2018 14: 40
          +1
          Quote: Vladivostok1969
          Turn off the Transib, turn off the electricity, and come to Primorye in two to three weeks. You don’t need any nuclear weapons.

          In New Orleans, this did not have to be done either - one hurricane and “civilization” were a scatilist going nowhere ...
      2. Pax tecum
        Pax tecum 15 February 2018 15: 40
        +6
        And, first of all, to point out as an indisputable fact that the agency responsible for civil defense has never in our history been engaged in research into military strategy and the nature of future wars

        Dear author!
        What makes you think that the Ministry of Emergencies "was engaged in research into military strategy and the nature of future wars"?
        The title of the publication is "Scientific and Methodological Work on Planning and Conducting Civil Defense in Federal Executive Bodies and Organizations".
        Why should the preamble be presented as content?

        Such "manuals" were very relevant in Soviet times.
        And, the Civil Defense of the USSR was interpreted as "an integral part of the system of national defense measures carried out in peacetime and wartime in order to protect the population and the national economy from weapons of mass destruction ...", where both means and methods of destruction were considered ...
        In 2014 from GOES there were similar publications. Now this is a whole methodological work ... of the target area.
        1. antivirus
          antivirus 18 February 2018 13: 57
          +4
          destroyed the system of citizen of defense of the BSSSR-- relieved themselves of responsibility?
          Emergencies Ministry money "sawing" + really work, but there will be no result.
          as a result of the blockade of Leningrad and the defense of Stalingrad, the military generation created a system of measures for the Defense Citizens and destroyed it.
          Starting with the mobilization of SUVs and fleets, frequent buses + "let it go overnight", + winter with employment "-
          - THE DESERT IS CREATED AND DO NOT RETURN TO THE TIMES OF BREZHNEV AND USTINOV.
      3. Petr1968
        Petr1968 15 February 2018 17: 02
        +2
        Quote: Wend
        Times have changed. Now, if nuclear weapons are used, the whole world will fly into oblivion. Nobody can get out of it. And even burnt Russophobes understand this, so that they would not shout there.

        But I have no doubt that the war will begin and end with the victory of Russia. And Soloviev will tell us this on TV. Soon the West will attack and die, it is already preparing. And then die from us.
        1. zenion
          zenion 18 February 2018 21: 31
          +1
          He served in the army in the mid 60-ies of the last century, the last century. He was in the detachment PAZ and PCP. There were about thirty in the detachment, but the major commanded us. During the exercises, there were so many protective equipment and special armored personnel carriers and so on. I once asked a major - Comrade Major, here we have so many protective equipment, about the same, but the soldiers will have less, what will happen to the civilians. He looked at me and answered - do not ask better, I have a big relative.
      4. ammunition
        ammunition 15 February 2018 23: 37
        +1
        Quote: Wend
        Now, if nuclear weapons are used, the whole world will fly into oblivion.

        Now ?
        At the time of 1979, there were about 80 000 nuclear warheads in the world. And a significant part of them exceeded the power in 5 (five) megatons.
        ------------------
        Now (now), in the world about 12 000 nuclear weapons ammunition. And most of them are tactical. And strategic warheads have reduced power.
        So ... it’s not going to work out now .. so that it’s completely impossible. -)) The total ammunition capacity is now 20 times .. approximately weaker than it was by the 1980 year.
        1. Vend
          Vend 16 February 2018 10: 55
          +1
          Quote: ammunition
          Quote: Wend
          Now, if nuclear weapons are used, the whole world will fly into oblivion.

          Now ?
          At the time of 1979, there were about 80 000 nuclear warheads in the world. And a significant part of them exceeded the power in 5 (five) megatons.
          ------------------
          Now (now), in the world about 12 000 nuclear weapons ammunition. And most of them are tactical. And strategic warheads have reduced power.
          So ... it’s not going to work out now .. so that it’s completely impossible. -)) The total ammunition capacity is now 20 times .. approximately weaker than it was by the 1980 year.

          The weapon itself has changed, become more accurate, more elusive. Although the matter is not only in nuclear weapons, but in the fact that it will destroy: chemical plants, nuclear power plants
      5. yehat
        yehat 19 February 2018 14: 00
        0
        times have changed more than you think. The US is actively continuing to develop weapons of mass destruction, but their bias is now on limiting and controlling the consequences of the use of
        plus the speed and globality of the first strike.
        So now it’s worse than in the Caribbean crisis.
      6. Galleon
        Galleon 19 February 2018 16: 13
        0
        Those surnames of financiers who are well-known to everyone and who decide which country to live in peace and which to burn in the war have bunkers in New Zealand. It is there that they are going to sit out. And sit out! If you do not stockpile individual ammunition for these purposes. In general, I think that the country's military doctrine should separately state the importance of such goals as international and national financial centers and organizations. This should be a priority right after the command posts of command and control of the armed forces and nuclear forces.
    2. Antianglosax
      Antianglosax 15 February 2018 16: 23
      +10
      Personally, I had no doubt that the Russian sovereign, that is, the Kremlin — the crap puppets of the world’s money masters, skillfully masking their sinister plans for surrendering the state and territory with pseudo-patriotic nonsense.
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 15 February 2018 16: 34
        +2
        I agree with you, I have been saying this for a long time.
    3. 97110
      97110 15 February 2018 19: 53
      +5
      Quote: Vladivostok1969
      A new "taiga dead end" to build.

      In 1972, our course was sent to harvest potatoes. They lived in a house with stove heating near Kingisepp. Of the 30 students in group 2 (two!) Knew how to heat the stove. Do you seriously think that modern zamkadyshes will survive the taiga winter according to the method of Mrs. Lykova?
      1. Vladivostok1969
        Vladivostok1969 17 February 2018 05: 03
        +3
        Well, if you want to live, you’re not so heated.
        1. 97110
          97110 17 February 2018 14: 57
          +2
          Quote: Vladivostok1969
          not so heated.

          In 1990, I accompanied 30 cadets of a river school to practice in Alekseevskaya EW on the Lena River. They settled them before going on a flight to the summer camp, in houses equipped with potbelly stoves. After a couple of hours I go into the first one - it’s warm, the fighter watches the potbelly stove, the staff rests ... I go into the second ... They put the end of the 3-meter board in the door of the potbelly stove, in the smoke-free half-meter space above the floor lies and weeps bitterly. .. There are no personnel ... Children seem to be ready to drive ships along the Lena ...
        2. antivirus
          antivirus 18 February 2018 14: 02
          +1
          knowing how to heat the stove is one thing - and not knowing and not seeing the stoves is another. they will learn how to wave with an ax and tuck their pants with their patches (not new to buy immediately) and glue the crosses (and even weave into bast shoes)
          AND GL - CALCULATING THE NUMBER OF WATER FOR A DAY - WEAR FROM THE WELL FROM MORNING FOR ALL NEEDS
          and there are continents where there is no water
  2. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 15 February 2018 05: 58
    +16
    And why the enemy does not want to destroy the civilian population? Some strange idealization .... Does he have humanism? Already, NATO has come closer comprehensively despite oral promises
    1. ul_vitalii
      ul_vitalii 15 February 2018 07: 25
      +12
      He wants for them less people, more oxygen. Yugoslavia was bombed from the heart, even the Chinese embassy got it, there were victims.
      1. 24rus
        24rus 15 February 2018 07: 52
        +5
        It seems that there’s even a plan for what cities of Russia to inflict with what quantity and type of missiles
        1. andrej-shironov
          andrej-shironov 15 February 2018 10: 49
          0
          Where can I see this plan? I just never in my life hoped for power, only for myself, and now I do the same. And forewarned means armed.
          1. 24rus
            24rus 15 February 2018 12: 30
            +2
            I found it here http://www.warandpeace.ru/ru/reports/view/42484/
            1. andrej-shironov
              andrej-shironov 15 February 2018 16: 24
              +1
              Many thanks! I’ll study it now.
    2. Cube123
      Cube123 15 February 2018 08: 40
      +5
      Quote: Reptiloid
      And why the enemy does not want to destroy the civilian population? Some strange idealization .... Does he have humanism? Already, NATO has come closer comprehensively despite oral promises

      In general, we are talking about something else. Modern warfare, if any, will not be a trench warfare with continuous fronts. A high-precision weapon allows you to strike at any point on the territory of the enemy. In this case, any evacuation of the civilian population makes no sense. Where to relocate? To another city? And the chances that he will be bombed are not lower than those from which he was relocated. Therefore, changing the doctrine is quite reasonable.
      1. basmach
        basmach 15 February 2018 09: 14
        +7
        Modern warfare will be a trench warfare with a solid front line. Donbass showed this fully. Any war is a supply, and especially a modern one. Any hole in the front instantly allows you to penetrate the rear of the enemy and begin to destroy logistics. Given the mobility of such units, the effect will be amazing.
        1. Cube123
          Cube123 15 February 2018 09: 27
          +5
          Quote: basmach
          Modern warfare will be a trench warfare with a solid front line. Donbass showed it fully. Any war is a supply, and especially a modern one. Any hole in the front instantly allows you to penetrate the rear of the enemy and begin to destroy logistics. Given the mobility of such units, the effect will be amazing.

          And Syria showed something else. The ability to wage war from the air. And on earth highly mobile groups, without a continuous trench network.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 15 February 2018 10: 45
            +8
            Quote: Cube123
            And Syria showed something else.

            Is it?
            Why, then, did the process of completely blocking Aleppo before his assault take almost two years? Syrian government "mobile squads" was too lazy to move?
            1. Cube123
              Cube123 15 February 2018 13: 50
              +3
              Quote: Spade
              Quote: Cube123
              And Syria showed something else.

              Is it?
              Why, then, did the process of completely blocking Aleppo before his assault take almost two years? Syrian government "mobile squads" was too lazy to move?

              It was about an article. Is it necessary or not to provide for measures to displace civilians from cities during the war? In the event of the outbreak of hostilities against Russia.
          2. basmach
            basmach 15 February 2018 10: 57
            +7
            And as a result, a layer cake and a war without end. They knocked out in one place, immediately crawled to another.
            And to make it clearer, I already wrote that in the Second World War the German division consumed 300 tons per day (during battles) in Iraq, the Americans already 700. Draw your own conclusions.
            And about the war in the air. So there is freedom — no air defense. As soon as it appears, the war in the air ends — air defense means are produced faster than airplanes, and l / s learns faster. So what about Syria is not necessary, an absolutely inappropriate and incorrect example
        2. 176
          176 15 February 2018 10: 50
          +7
          Donbass war of the poor. Both sides have scarce resources and technologies. In clashes with modern armies, everything will be completely different. And the trenches will become graves.
          1. basmach
            basmach 15 February 2018 11: 05
            +10
            When modern armies collide, high-tech weapons quickly end, as do factories for their production. And war goes into the category of war of the poor. After all, weapons are created for destruction, not parades. And the same war in Syria shows the incomparability of the money spent on the results obtained. Spend a dozen Caliber to destroy hundreds and artisanal factory, which will appear in a new place in a month. unlike a dozen calibers that will not be done for a month. That is, without clearing the territory in any way. And it is necessary to clean it up not with a mobile group, but with the advancement of a large group with the movement of the front line (and with the corresponding logistics and its protection). And holes in this front line lead to the loss of communications and supply lines and resources.
    3. Ural resident
      Ural resident 15 February 2018 10: 35
      +5
      Even if they defeat with precision weapons, without casualties, they will still destroy the population, only in other ways. The most "humanitarian" - birth control - a lot of ways. 30 years and nothing remains of the nation. Education of the remaining children and their removal to other countries where they dissolve. Well, the rest, GMOs, ecology, diseases, even weapons are not required.
    4. NordUral
      NordUral 15 February 2018 16: 35
      +1
      He even wants, or rather he really wants. Only while little hands are shaking from fear of still possible retaliation.
    5. jrvp79
      jrvp79 18 February 2018 15: 23
      +1
      It is necessary to interrogate those who composed this treacherous work. Maybe they will answer who thought them over. It is basic to ask how in the Great Patriotic War.
    6. Akuzenka
      Akuzenka 19 February 2018 10: 56
      0
      Exactly. There is no such crime that the Western world will not commit, which has been repeatedly shown to us. “Western humanism” is just a mask to cover up their cannibalistic desire to destroy everyone else. At one time, religion stopped cannibalism in Europe, now they discard "obsolete dogmas." They didn’t really bother them, and now even more so.
  3. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 15 February 2018 06: 52
    +11
    These can decide on everything!
    for THEM a million lives back and forth mean nothing!
  4. aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 15 February 2018 07: 16
    +7
    During the war, the population was evacuated along with factories. No factories do not need a population.
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 15 February 2018 07: 40
    +16
    Russia should not amuse oneself with illusions about his aversion to massacre of any scale
    So in my opinion, apart from frank Westerners, no one in Russia amuses himself with such an illusion. The 20th century, and especially the 90s - 2000s, perfectly showed the aggressive nature of the West, and especially the United States.
    1. 97110
      97110 15 February 2018 20: 19
      +4
      Quote: rotmistr60
      especially the 90s - 2000s showed excellent
      Russophobic essence of the Russian elite ...
  6. savage1976
    savage1976 15 February 2018 09: 48
    +4
    Given the eternal dream of the West once and for all to solve the Russian question, such planners should be considered enemies of the people.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 15 February 2018 16: 52
      +7
      Why take it, they are enemies. The way we live just screams about it. But the trouble is, pseudo-patriotic noodles - Zh.da Solovyov’s signature dish (the attitude towards Jews is simple and normal), pretty much dilutes the brains of the people. Yes, he is not alone, unfortunately.
      It is time for us to admit a medical fact - power in Russia is in the hands of organized crime groups, only its composition, but not its essence, is changing.
      And we have an alternative - either the victory of Grudinin and the true patriots, or the revolution, which I would very much like to avoid. There is another way out - to die under the wise guidance of "our" government. I personally do not like any option except the first, except for the victory of the people.
      And for this we need to do a little bit, namely: turn on the brains, raise jo.pu from the sofa and voteto stand for a candidate from a bloc of patriotic forces. We have one chance, they won’t give us a second one, taking into account this rating of Grudinin.
      1. SEER
        SEER 16 February 2018 02: 20
        +1
        Quote: NordUral
        We have one chance, they won’t give us a second one, taking into account this rating of Grudinin.
        where did you get this rating? give proof
      2. Akuzenka
        Akuzenka 19 February 2018 11: 03
        0
        You are a naive ukotsky youth. Contradict yourself. You correctly noticed that only the composition changes, the essence remains the same. From myself I will add that the essence can only worsen. Therefore, your "patriotic" splash of emotions is not clear. Where emotions are about politics, there is deception. No options. "Your Gridinin" is even worse than Putin. He showed himself with nothing but "commerce" and did not even bother to close his foreign accounts when nominating. So any owner of the market is steeper than Grudinin and more honest.
  7. Alex66
    Alex66 15 February 2018 09: 55
    +3
    In the event of a full-fledged war, it is much easier to maintain a small number of the population who lives in cottages outside the city, in Moscow, with a covered missile defense system, than to provide conditions for the evacuated population. Those. the survivors will get more, and now they need to spend less. But for 3-4 moves to calculate the situation, greed prevents our GDP and DAM.
    1. Molot1979
      Molot1979 15 February 2018 11: 05
      +3
      Well of course, of course. Alex read everything 144 steps ahead, and silly GDP and DAM are not even capable of three. It only remains sad to be amazed at why such smart ones show their minds only on the Internet, and not as president.
      1. Alex66
        Alex66 15 February 2018 12: 22
        +7
        And who will be the last president in line? You understand this as in a joke about the army: ... dad, but I will be a general, will you be a son, and a marshal? No marshal, you will not have his own son. And do not say that everyone has equal rights, everyone can. No wonder everyone who can clean, like Kvachkova or Rokhlin.
        1. Akuzenka
          Akuzenka 19 February 2018 11: 04
          0
          No, the rights are the same for everyone, but the opportunity to exercise them is not. And in the case, ordinary verbiage.
  8. Freeman
    Freeman 15 February 2018 10: 00
    +12
    Earlier it was reported that, taking into account modern views on the conduct of wars, the ministry proposes to abandon the practice of mass evacuation of the population in wartime
    Thus, we can assume that in this case, through the "scientific and methodological work" of the Ministry of Emergencies, Leaked some conceptual information from the bowels of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, which, in a good way, should not have been the subject of public exposure.

    Information really leaked. From the toilet of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.

    I apologize for "lighting up" wassat
  9. BAI
    BAI 15 February 2018 10: 15
    +2
    in principle, it excludes such a form of warfare against the Russian Federation as “targeted attacks on the destruction of the civilian population of the Russian Federation”.

    Absolutely right. A nuclear attack on civilian objects will inevitably cause a similar retaliatory strike. This leads to huge losses, "unacceptable damage" immediately arises. Plus "crimes against humanity." No need to refer to World War 2, the times were different.
    1. jrvp79
      jrvp79 18 February 2018 15: 35
      +2
      And if our Government does not think so and will not give an answer? Who is in power with us ?? Wake up !! And Soloviev will then tell us (the survivors) that then there would be an even greater catastrophe from more extensive and crushing blows. !! They will come up with everything and find a reason, do not hesitate.
  10. Earnest
    Earnest 15 February 2018 10: 37
    +2
    Quote: Cube123
    And Syria showed something else. The ability to wage war from the air. And on earth highly mobile groups, without a continuous trench network.

    You are absolutely wrong because you are pulling out a particular case from the general series. Everything determines the desert character of the terrain in most of Syria, as an example - in the Great Patriotic War in the Salsky or in the Black Sea steppes, they also rushed here and there. In Syria, mobile groups are worn exclusively между cities, large factory districts, fields, hydrographic structures, for the possession of which there are fights.
  11. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 15 February 2018 10: 44
    +9
    Dear author! Everything is actually much simpler and much worse and more cynical. The authorities simply make it clear to the people that they will not protect them should a conflict occur. The salvation of the drowning will be in the hands of the drowning. Do you want to defend such power? The homeland is by itself, but not under the flags of these, as it were, to put it, shantraps. And the fact that nuclear weapons will be used can not even be doubted, only the volumes and goals can be doubted. Of course you have to go and vote for such power wink
    1. Molot1979
      Molot1979 15 February 2018 11: 09
      +3
      And under whose flags, dear? Do you want to protect Roin? If not under this, then it will only remain in the ruins to curse everyone and everything, because after "such power" has been scribbled, then at best they will put the occupation administration. At worst, genocide will begin. And then it will remain only with the "tool" on tanks and mortars. So it’s better and more reasonable in the composition of normal divisions, with adequate weapons. More chances. Even despite the fact that power is again not the same.
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 15 February 2018 16: 25
        +1
        The partisan movement has not been canceled!
  12. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 15 February 2018 11: 05
    +4
    To be honest ... However, the generals always prepare for the last war. And then, after millions of victims, reluctantly begin to change something. Trying not to strain too much. This forecast can be built taking into account the state of modern aircraft in Europe. NATO block, all things ...
    Actually, the invasion of us by the forces of the European Armed Forces is impossible at the moment. These are not the troops, the more amusing ... Apparently, for this invasion of Europe, millions of young, healthy, strong and bloodless "refugees" were dragged. So they will fight. Firstly, they, unlike modern Europeans, are capable of this. Secondly - they are not sorry. And thirdly...
    These guys are great for destroying a minnie with millions, only give them cartridges. In order to organize a large-scale war, it makes sense to create some kind of country that does not exist in Europe. The mass of problems is perfectly solved, from technical to the promotion of "ideas of humanism." They say that it’s not the white fluffy Europeans, together with the godlike Americans, who are destroying “these Russians”, it is “these Russians” that have grappled with “young democracy”, or even with the “European IS”. Ukraine, for example, is perfect for the role of the IG suddenly emerging in Europe.
    Russia cannot be hit with precision weapons so that then you do not have to regret it very bitterly. So high-precision is simply the first stage for the removal of our excessively compact army. And then there will be a massacre. Personally, I used to think that there would be a biological attack, but taking into account the refugee factor ...
    However, a combination option is likely. Namely, the destruction of our army, then mass epidemics and the introduction into our territory of military units consisting of those same refugees, as some sort of orderlies to restore order in the "mess that came from the wild Russians." What will, of course, be used to clean our territory.
    1. Vladivostok1969
      Vladivostok1969 15 February 2018 14: 26
      +2
      I’ll tell you a dramatic scenario, but it’s possible.
  13. Molot1979
    Molot1979 15 February 2018 11: 16
    +5
    Another year in the 10th there was news that they were starting to build new atomic shelters. That, as it were, slightly contradicts the stated concept. Yes, and people in the subject claim that in case of war everything is ready and plans have been developed. And about “we’ll cover Moscow alone, 10 million is enough for us” - this is nonsense. With this approach, it’s wiser to give up right away. Neither 10 nor 20 million for such a country is enough that they can maintain the necessary infrastructure - this is bullshit. This is not enough for pipe maintenance. Moreover, now there is a replacement of crude oil exports with refined products. This population is not enough to maintain the country's minimum connectivity, which means it will break up. The collapse of the country - immediately minus all income, even shadow, at least light. The collapse of the budget and other amenities. And why then even start some kind of war? It’s easier to capitulate under any conditions, in any case they will not be worse than defeat. But surrender, as it were, is not noticeable? Well, don’t grind nonsense about the authorities, I decided to leave the people to kill.
    1. Vladivostok1969
      Vladivostok1969 15 February 2018 14: 30
      +6
      And who told you that statehood will not change. The theory of the golden billion does not provide for the preservation of Russia as a country at all.
      1. forty-eighth
        forty-eighth 15 February 2018 16: 50
        +1
        Are there any arguments?
        Buying from Russia everything our country is rich in is cheaper than fighting for it, and then paying for production and transportation. Fortunately, we sell for a reasonable price to all those in need: oil and gas - to the west, the Siberian round timber and Baikal presyak - to the Chinese.
        Fighting is just more expensive.
  14. bandabas
    bandabas 15 February 2018 11: 25
    +2
    Do we have bomb shelters somewhere? Not even funny.
    1. woron333444
      woron333444 15 February 2018 15: 38
      +4
      At our enterprise, Civil Defense is left and twice a year, it checks and if it finds jambs before it is completely drunk.
  15. vasilkovichi
    vasilkovichi 15 February 2018 11: 35
    +7
    In principle, right. Modern warfare will not give time for a mass evacuation. The enemy will not wait until we collect things in large quantities and, organizedly, dump the Volga. The Ministry of Emergency Situations warned: in the event of a blow, bring down all who survive. I am sure that the police and military patrols will tell you the direction. When the West 2017 exercises were held, it was precisely this option that was being worked out in Luga, so any nonsense about Moscow is not appropriate. Only the stupid one does not understand that the very first and massive blow will be dealt to her. There is all power and civil and military. Moscow needs to be protected. Turn on the brain! How much NATO will lose attacking Moscow? And we, the villagers, will have time to blame during this time. Or arrange a meeting for the ground forces of Nata!
    1. sxfRipper
      sxfRipper 18 February 2018 12: 59
      +1
      +++ At least one sensible thought! hi
  16. Northern warrior
    Northern warrior 15 February 2018 12: 20
    +6
    A full-scale attack on Russia should mean only one thing - the beginning of the world thermonuclear war to completely destroy the aggressors, regardless of their own and others' losses. An attempt to use the “Syrian” scenario, when crowds of militants without identification marks attack the country from all sides, should immediately end with the use of nuclear weapons against their “masters”. An attempt to arrange a palace coup should also lead to nuclear war. I hope that the GDP will have time to give the order to launch ICBMs in an attempt to liquidate or arrest it, and the launch calculations at command posts will execute it immediately without hesitation.
  17. Radikal
    Radikal 15 February 2018 13: 36
    +1
    Meanwhile, the civil defense department was reportedly ...
    Only one question for the author - what kind of agency? recourse
    1. woron333444
      woron333444 15 February 2018 15: 41
      +2
      If you do not know what exists, it does not mean that it does not exist. Which checks the bomb shelters (by the way, they are also at the enterprises) and is engaged in civil defense of the population. This type of Ministry of Emergencies only with its cockroaches.
  18. ibirus
    ibirus 15 February 2018 13: 51
    +2
    A restraining factor for our Western partners should be a 100% guarantee of an answer in the form of a blow to the total destruction of already Western countries. Everything is simple.
    1. Vladivostok1969
      Vladivostok1969 15 February 2018 14: 33
      +1
      I would like, but we don’t have so much hi
  19. M72
    M72 15 February 2018 14: 22
    +3
    I think the conclusions of the Ministry of Emergencies are quite logical. I also see no reason to prepare for the evacuation of cities if a nuclear war begins. We will move to another city, but where is the guarantee that they will not be hit?
    And if this is pointless, then why prepare for it and develop plans?
    Plans should be developed in case of local conflicts or conflicts where the use of nuclear weapons is not intended.
    In the 50-60s, perhaps this was relevant, because the nuclear powers had bombs, which were enough for only a few large cities, but now all of the territory of Russia can be covered. And where is there to hide?
    1. Vladivostok1969
      Vladivostok1969 15 February 2018 14: 46
      +3
      You are wrong, the number of charges was significantly reduced after the conclusion of the START-1 and START-2 treaties. Russia and the United States each have 1000 charges and delivery vehicles for them. 30 years ago there were many more nuclear weapons. So the global nuclear winter under big question. Although not realizing it is easier
  20. Sergey-8848
    Sergey-8848 15 February 2018 15: 10
    +1
    The author’s thoughts are interesting, and very vital. However, it seems that the source material is from the Ministry of Emergencies, and not from the General Staff. It is very important for the Ministry of Emergency Situations to show its need and importance, against the background of lagging behind other ministries from the so-called "power" block. During the ongoing reformation, the GO troops were valiantly tortured with the light hand of the mentioned ministry, many mobbases with all their property were distributed as unnecessary (we had no one to fight with!). Under various pretexts, many APs (protective structures) have been transferred from state authority to private hands. The fire department, tired of being rebuilt and having reduced to a threatening state, turns into a semblance of water carriers from the housing and communal services (this is about quenchers). The GPN, frightened by the demands not to touch the business and hung with flags from the Investigative Committee and the prosecutor’s office, is engaged in profanity called “prevention” (handing out memos on the topic “Hide matches from children”). As before, only the HCSG remain operational, transferred to the Ministry of Emergencies relatively recently, to which a wave of innovations has not reached. GIMS employees generally do not care whom to obey. And, of course, thanks to the journalists, by ear and by sight, the Ministry of Emergencies aviation.
    On this wave, the publication of the report from the Ministry of Emergencies is an attempt to remind ourselves as the necessary structure. In general, for government agencies, especially at the ministerial level, the desire to publish something skipping and racing is not very beautiful, and sometimes harmful.
  21. M72
    M72 15 February 2018 15: 44
    +1
    Quote: Vladivostok1969
    You are wrong, the number of charges was significantly reduced after the conclusion of the START-1 and START-2 treaties. Russia and the United States each have 1000 charges and delivery vehicles for them. 30 years ago there were many more nuclear weapons. So the global nuclear winter under big question. Although not realizing it is easier

    I talked about the 50-60s. If memory serves me right, then only in 1949 we blew up the first bomb. And until the end of the 50s there were only a few of them ready, and even the delivery problem existed. Later, yes, they increased the number and launched a man into space as part of a test of delivery methods.
    Then it was important to conduct training and dig shelters for the entire population. But now then?
  22. M72
    M72 15 February 2018 15: 48
    0
    Quote: Sergey-8848
    On this wave, the publication of the report from the Ministry of Emergencies is an attempt to remind ourselves as the necessary structure.

    Debatable. You want to say that the Ministry of Emergency Situations is trying to declare itself as a necessary structure by officially declaring part of its activities (development of evacuation and accommodation plans) senseless?
    Usually, on the contrary, they try to additionally throw in themselves any functions.
  23. Pax tecum
    Pax tecum 15 February 2018 15: 51
    +2
    Quote: basmach
    When modern armies collide, high-tech weapons quickly end, as do factories for their production. And war goes into the category of war of the poor. After all, weapons are created for destruction, not parades. And the same war in Syria shows the incomparability of the money spent on the results obtained. Spend a dozen Caliber to destroy hundreds and artisanal factory, which will appear in a new place in a month. unlike a dozen calibers that will not be done for a month. That is, without clearing the territory in any way. And it is necessary to clean it up not with a mobile group, but with the advancement of a large group with the movement of the front line (and with the corresponding logistics and its protection). And holes in this front line lead to the loss of communications and supply lines and resources.

    Let me support you in your conclusions. After all, even in the military textbooks of the superpowers (we and "they") during the Cold War, the procedures for conducting various military operations after nuclear strikes were described. There were even peculiar "standards" during actions during the use of WMD by the enemy.
  24. NordUral
    NordUral 15 February 2018 16: 32
    +2
    The voiced only proves an indisputable fact - not our power and not that social system.
  25. Radikal
    Radikal 15 February 2018 20: 13
    +1
    Quote: woron333444
    If you do not know what exists, it does not mean that it does not exist. Which checks the bomb shelters (by the way, they are also at the enterprises) and is engaged in civil defense of the population. This type of Ministry of Emergencies only with its cockroaches.

    You yourself seem not to know. and bomb shelters while checking the Ministry of Emergencies. hi
  26. Radikal
    Radikal 15 February 2018 20: 16
    +1
    Quote: basmach
    When modern armies collide, high-tech weapons quickly end, as do factories for their production. And war goes into the category of war of the poor. After all, weapons are created for destruction, not parades. And the same war in Syria shows the incomparability of the money spent on the results obtained. Spend a dozen Caliber to destroy hundreds and artisanal factory, which will appear in a new place in a month. unlike a dozen calibers that will not be done for a month. That is, without clearing the territory in any way. And it is necessary to clean it up not with a mobile group, but with the advancement of a large group with the movement of the front line (and with the corresponding logistics and its protection). And holes in this front line lead to the loss of communications and supply lines and resources.

    yes good drinks
  27. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 15 February 2018 20: 31
    +3
    "Socially responsible businessmen" do not care what kind of evacuation of a population. They are ready at any time to fly their own "business jets" along with dogs. That dog evacuation is another matter. And Aboriginal people do not mind the experiments.
  28. Lexus
    Lexus 16 February 2018 00: 53
    +3
    Such "partners", when trying to "slap a slap in the face," must immediately be "kicked in the head." Forget Christian values. angry
  29. CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 16 February 2018 13: 46
    0
    Quote: 24rus
    It seems that there’s even a plan for what cities of Russia to inflict with what quantity and type of missiles

    Please post on the site very interested, and then suddenly I’ll build a house there