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Is the ice broken? Do we need such a ministry of lack of culture, industrialists thought

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An interesting action happened the other day. True, the media for some reason bypassed such a thing, and yet the phenomenon is significant.


Is the ice broken? Do we need such a ministry of lack of culture, industrialists thought


The Council of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry of the Russian Federation on industrial development and economic competitiveness discussed the impact of cultural policy on the development of the real sector.

The panelists discussed the situation in the segments of Russian cinematography, television, architecture.

Actually, what they were trying to discuss there was a bit incomprehensible to a normal person.

The situation is comatose.

We have a problem with culture in general, and with lack of culture in particular. But the fact that the industrialists started talking about this is already interesting.

Chairman of the Council Konstantin Babkin voiced a number of proposals that will form the basis of the section on the cultural policy of the state in a large report on the economic development strategy of the Russian Federation.

Somewhat incomprehensible to whom this report goes, everything, in general, is up to date.

In particular, Babkin voiced a lot of things. From a heap of loud, but empty phrases, it turned out to isolate one:

"... to form the state order for the development of high-quality films on industry and agriculture."

Normally, that's all in its place and fell. Gentlemen industrialists are concerned that in 20-30 there will be no one standing at the bench. And bread to grow.

Applause? Well, applause. Better late than never, right?

Mr. Babkin said that, according to experts of the council, from 149 films supported by the Cinema Foundation, 75% are negative with respect to stories and the image of the future, and only 10% of them carry a positive charge.

And those categories that need to be talked about and that attention was paid to in the “good old” Soviet times, alas, have been forgotten.

Our film and television activists can spend money on stories about anyone (siloviki, gangsters, prostitutes, sexual minorities, bankers, and so on), but not about those who would be worth it. About teachers, scientists, doctors - not a word. They are behind the scenes.

Bravo, Mr. Babkin.

“The cultural policy should make society stronger and increase the competitiveness of our country, our industry”- Babkin's words.

And we have a solid spit in the past.

Meanwhile, while we were ashamed of Stalin, Hitler's fans and fans loafed around. Shed tears on the innocently killed soldiers of the last Reich.

And why should they not appear if the so-called “ministry of culture”, led by the so-called minister, breeds poor filmmakers and performances about anyone, just not People with a capital letter?

The so-called ministry inherited from many speakers. Personally, I liked most (as always, by the way) the performance of Dmitry Puchkov, who is “Goblin”.

Comrade Puchkov was in his repertoire, and, if not expressed, as Sergey Shnurov, it was only because of internal culture. And in fact it was quite a.

"We, as a country, refused our quite recent past, recognized it as bad, criminal, and all cultural landmarks were transferred to the USA. Now everything that is done in the USA is all wonderful, wonderful, and everything that is done here - bad, especially all the last 70 years of Soviet power. "

There is nothing to add. Only that for some reason the state is extremely interested in this and constantly grants to those who work in this direction.

The so-called "ministry of culture" gives money for shooting the so-called "box-office films", which for some reason one after another become unprofitable.

And it is worth emphasizing that no one is responsible for this, and the money spent is not returned.

Although, as an option, perhaps from the other side of the ocean compensate.

As a result, everyone feeds them on the topic of how our ancestors won victories anywhere, not because, but in spite of.

Contrary to the damned totalitarian regime, which bent them, humiliated, trampled and killed. And in spite of them they won.

Again quote Puchkova:
“... People want to look at the exploits of their ancestors and accomplishments, they do not want anti-Sovietism, but they are fed continuously. And if the ideal is in the USA, then until the country has created its own ideological base, within the framework of which it will turn out that it is good to live here, that you have to work for the country, you need to love it, serve it and fight for it, nothing will come of it. It’s impossible to solve these things with money. "

“If people go to Transformers-5 and Star Wars-10, they cannot be distracted by production drama. We must learn to shoot them so that they run like Star Wars. But we don’t have such creators at the moment How to grow them in the framework of lack of ideality is unclear ...

The situation, in my opinion, is sad, and without an integrated approach it cannot be done at all, it cannot be solved with any money. "


To the words of an intelligent person will not add anything. Bundles are not Sands.

There were representatives of the "that" side. First Deputy Minister of Culture Vladimir Aristarkhov, Executive Director of the Cinema Fund Anton Malyshev and President of Moskino, Honored Artist of the Russian Federation Igor Ugolnikov.

They say that Bortko, Wasserman, Ugolnikov spoke very strongly and very seriously.

Dear and honored Vladimir Bortko, who can, frankly, not only master the budgets, but also make films, he rightly said that our cinemas are American networks, and they are promoting American ideas accordingly.

It's hard to disagree.

Dead end, however.

To be honest, I would like to see such a person as Puchkov in that chair, where Medina is now getting high. And this would be a real reform, about which televisions, refrigerators and irons so often tell us.

It would even be a breakthrough of power on the way to the creation of at least some, the smallest and most overtly, but the state ideology.

Chance for future generations to become not a herd of consumers, but still citizens of a great country.

But this without pride in its history, for example, is unrealistic.

And if we, more precisely, they, abandoned the past - they have no future.

It would be worth remembering.

It is a pity, by the way, that the alarm that social activists and simply intelligent citizens have been beating for more than one year was supported by industrialists. But even so, you know. Small, but a victory. What else did anyone think.

The industrialists realized that, as I said, in no more than a year will nobody go to the machine or to the combine control panel. Everyone will strive for slightly different ideals.

Well, God forbid good luck to the guild masters on this thorny path.

By and large, for the sake of such it is worthwhile to arrange alliances with anyone. There is too much at stake, and the fact that representatives of the industry intervened is really a plus.

After all, at least, they can remind Medinsky and the company that the one who pays is the one who orders the music. Whoever fills the budget, he has the right to indicate who to sip.

Yes, of course, some of today's bohemian "creators" like Serebrennikov can get from the ticket office and refuse to receive, but who said that this is bad?

In the old Russia, Morozov, Tretyakov, Bashkirov, Lebedev, Bugrov built factories and factories, at the same time sponsoring theaters. Why not adopt such a principle?

I want to live in Great Russia, but not a branch of the United States ...
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  1. Tahtvjd2868
    Tahtvjd2868 15 February 2018 04: 43
    +9
    There is no Gaidai in his native Fatherland .. ((And will there be ..?
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 15 February 2018 06: 06
      +76
      Dear and honored Vladimir Bortko, who knows how to, frankly, not only develop budgets, but also make films, he bluntly said that our cinemas are American networks, they are promoting American ideas accordingly.
      the hell cinemas with them ... there is a continuous threshing floor in a drawer in a circle ... there is a ministry, but no Culture ... then why the heck is the ministry? what
      1. Titsen
        Titsen 15 February 2018 07: 14
        +39
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        Dear and honored Vladimir Bortko, who knows how to, frankly, not only develop budgets, but also make films, he bluntly said that our cinemas are American networks, they are promoting American ideas accordingly.
        the hell cinemas with them ... there is a continuous threshing floor in a drawer in a circle ... there is a ministry, but no Culture ... then why the heck is the ministry? what


        Very true noticed.

        Time, of course, has already been missed, but it is NOT too late!

        Nuzheo to drive from the helm of mattress bedding and their followers!

        Only here is one problem - THEIR ALREADY ARE POLAND ...

        HOW TO CONCLUSION - WITHOUT STATE IDEOLOGY, GROWTH WILL DISAPPEAR FROM THE WORLD MAP
        1. Lebedev
          Lebedev 15 February 2018 10: 26
          +3
          I will support you! Exactly!
          1. Mestny
            Mestny 15 February 2018 10: 48
            +9
            You sit in a circle, and support each other. The main thing is to constantly repeat the "crooks" and "Putin walk in."
            1. free
              free 15 February 2018 12: 41
              +16
              Quote: Mestny
              You sit in a circle, and support each other. The main thing is to constantly repeat the "crooks" and "Putin walk in."

              The question is, why are you trying so hard for GDP?
            2. Antianglosax
              Antianglosax 15 February 2018 15: 02
              +15
              Because crooks have become profitable only to them, laws do not a priori become crooks or thieves. But the fact is the fact - it is thieves and nothing else. The medical fact and the diagnosis is 100% correct - at the helm of Russia scammers and the most heinous and insignificant scum of society!
              Although no matter how much you shout about it, they don’t give a damn to the Kremlin leaders and degenerative degenerates from the State Duma! These vile creatures live in a different reality.
              Here is just one episode, crystal clear characterizing the entire anti-people essence of the filthy edrosovskoy kagal and Kremlin:
              https://izborsk-club.ru/14782.
              But there are hundreds of such episodes! How long will the marginal stinking minority of non-liberal liberals mock the vast majority of sane citizens of Russia?
              Where is the constitutional assembly law?
              And let Putin stay - the balabol is outstanding, only his transgender has nothing to do with reality. Over the next 6 years, I think he will be able to effectively surrender the country to the Amero-geeks and the Anglo-Zionist fascists. P "resident-endured my vote just will not get.
              1. Lexus
                Lexus 16 February 2018 03: 21
                +5
                There was already this video on the forum, but it was in the comments to this article that it was the place for him. It contains a consolidated answer to questions that concern not only the author, but also all sane citizens of Russia.

                Considering that the “being” who is still “in action” and still shaking hands in the Kremlin (and “all the more behind the hill”, I’d like to wish the people to give up illusions as soon as possible and cease to be led by the government of embezzlers and oligarchs for slaughter " flock of sheep. "
            3. Yarik
              Yarik 19 February 2018 05: 18
              0
              The main thing is to constantly repeat the "crooks" and "Putin walk in."

              And what’s wrong with the way people’s hijackers?
        2. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 15 February 2018 11: 39
          +35
          Quote: Titsen
          Nuzheo to drive from the helm of mattress bedding and their followers! Only here is one problem - THEIR ALREADY ARE POLAND ...
          Labor from a monkey made a man! Make HUMAN from LIBERAL can only forced labor on public buildings. So, you just need to remember the year 1937, and everything will be fine.
          1. free
            free 15 February 2018 12: 40
            +6
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            Quote: Titsen
            Nuzheo to drive from the helm of mattress bedding and their followers! Only here is one problem - THEIR ALREADY ARE POLAND ...
            Labor from a monkey made a man! Make HUMAN from LIBERAL can only forced labor on public buildings. So, you just need to remember the year 1937, and everything will be fine.

            Bravo! hi
          2. RusPrim
            RusPrim 15 February 2018 21: 41
            +3
            That would be great and right. good
      2. GAF
        GAF 15 February 2018 08: 15
        +24
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        there is a ministry, but no culture ... why the heck is the ministry?

        That's it. It is necessary to have a ministry, but people with dual citizenship by passport or in person, if any, should not lead the country's cultural front. There are many control levers. It is not Putin who finances the Serebryanikovs, Raikins, and others like them - adherents of the Holozadniks on the stage. And on the film about the heroes - Panfilovites, the people had to chip in.
        1. andj61
          andj61 15 February 2018 11: 58
          +15
          Quote: GAF
          That's it. It is necessary to have a ministry, but people with dual citizenship by passport or in person, if any, should not lead the country's cultural front. There are many control levers. Putin is not financing Serebryanikovs, Raikins and others like them - adherents of golozadnik on the stage. And on the film about the heroes - Panfilovites, the people had to chip in.

          Russian citizen Putin VV, of course, does not finance. Although his money, collected in the form of taxes, also goes for it. But the head of state is the President of the Russian Federation, Putin V.V. just related to this. And he is responsible for both the government and the activities of the state as a whole. Or what - again, as in old times - the king is good, and the boyars are bad?
          But is it time for the good king to finally get to the bad boyars? And then they get only to the criminals, and those who do not work or do not know how to work and remain without proper attention! hi
          1. GAF
            GAF 15 February 2018 21: 00
            +6
            Quote: andj61
            But is it time for the good king to finally get to the bad boyars?

            It’s time, but ... The question is very complicated. After all, jackals began to stray in flocks since the time of Khrushchev. It is known what ended in the 90s. There is no authority of Ivan the Terrible or Stalin. So sometimes you have to "live with the wolves - howl like a wolf" until the government has been prepared for the flock.
          2. jrvp79
            jrvp79 16 February 2018 13: 35
            +7
            "Isn't it time for the good king to finally get to the bad boyars?"
            And who said that the king is good? He just takes care of those very boyars, rewards them, and whoever gets caught stealing (Vasiliev, Serdyukov) smears them off.
      3. Pavil144
        Pavil144 15 February 2018 09: 02
        +15
        Sometimes in this box there is a desire to throw something (although it has nothing to do with it) for the programs: she’s a drunkard, he’s a drunkard and they find out the whole broadcast from whom she gave birth. Infuriates. Strengths.
        1. Galina Artamonova
          Galina Artamonova 15 February 2018 17: 35
          +3
          You can all see it yourself, just watch all the rubbish! You support vulgarity with your attention, and then you begin to be indignant. Are you being imprisoned by force? Le
      4. antivirus
        antivirus 15 February 2018 11: 26
        +1
        We have a problem with culture in general, and with lack of culture in particular. But the fact that the industrialists started talking about this is already interesting.

        PROMOTE ANTI-CULTURE (ALTERNATIVE), STILL UNDERSTANDING FROM BOXES ABOUT THIS SAID.
        when they return to the financing of village clubs and red-nosed bayan players (in those clubs) - then the industrialists will get the right movie
        1. Galina Artamonova
          Galina Artamonova 15 February 2018 17: 49
          +3
          But let this Babkin shake his miserable, tear the money from his greedy soul. He will create a vocational school, invite a film group to at least shoot a documentary. And somehow I read what he says to the authorities, they say do not give a subsidy. What to do I fire workers! I personally and Babkin and their whole party of affairs and Melnichenko are disgusting. And their cries about culture just to throw a stone once again — that's all bad. And when we come to power, we will charge such a culture! Only they are going to charge not culture, but something else, truckers supported that bushes along the ring all summer turned into a restroom! But Babkin must understand it did not smell! His culture was quite suitable for himself!
          1. DenZ
            DenZ 17 February 2018 10: 48
            +1
            Quote: Galina Artamonova
            But let this Babkin shake his miserable, tear money from his greedy soul

            If it weren’t for the state’s subsidies, now Russian harvesters we just wouldn’t have from the word at all. So Babkin has nothing to do with it. The state until the roasted rooster pecked at the agricultural sector was deeply do not care. And when they gave subsidies, I had to shake it and it all worked right away.
            Quote: Galina Artamonova
            And their cries about culture only in order to once again throw a stone — that's all bad.

            "Cultural policies should make society stronger and increase the competitiveness of our country, our industry," Babkin said - where is the stone here that we are bad? But what really doesn’t need to be done as Babkin suggests? Let everything remain as it is now? Ah, Galina?
      5. albert
        albert 15 February 2018 19: 40
        +4
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        there is a ministry, but no culture ... why the heck is the ministry? what

        Our ministry of "culture" must be renamed the ministry of involution and degradation, so it will be more accurate.
      6. Zefr
        Zefr 15 February 2018 20: 16
        +5
        If the producers are Konstantin Ernst. you can safely not watch. Because it is really guano. As for the selection.
      7. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 15 February 2018 23: 45
        +3
        If the industrialists are worried about culture, it means a “seam” to our culture.
        1. Victor N
          Victor N 17 February 2018 12: 11
          +3
          Industrialists are worried that the public consciousness still can not understand what has happened and is happening in our economy and give adequate estimates.
          How did the plants die? There is an idea: liberal villains have flown up, enterprises have been taken from collectives, shameful oligarchs!
          But there were powerful teams led by heroic directors, party organizers, trade union chairmen with a bunch of deputies and specialists. And all of them were easily defeated by an avid villain? Something is wrong here!
          Both leaders and teams were weak. Even a little unhealthy. Although, filling up a powerful enterprise is not an easy task. And how, after the defeat, many of the victims turned out to be a little wealthy. It is worth considering who was the true villain.
          Further. New owners appeared, enterprises started working again. Are these not heroes ?!
    2. Greenwood
      Greenwood 15 February 2018 06: 57
      +8
      But there is Fedya Bondarchuk. lol
      1. Vend
        Vend 15 February 2018 08: 59
        +11
        Quote: Greenwood
        But there is Fedya Bondarchuk. lol

        Bondarchuk in the backyard. He has no movie, then rot.
        In the old Russia, Morozov, Tretyakov, Bashkirov, Lebedev, Bugrov built factories and factories, at the same time sponsoring theaters. Why not adopt such a principle?
        So they sponsor. The creators of garbage canals and programs are wallets. It is entrepreneurs who lack culture and patriotism. First, entrepreneurs need to grow to Morozov, Tretyakov, Bashkirov, Lebedev, Bugrov, etc.
        1. free
          free 15 February 2018 12: 43
          +5
          Quote: Wend
          Quote: Greenwood
          But there is Fedya Bondarchuk. lol

          Bondarchuk in the backyard. He has no movie, then rot.
          In the old Russia, Morozov, Tretyakov, Bashkirov, Lebedev, Bugrov built factories and factories, at the same time sponsoring theaters. Why not adopt such a principle?
          So they sponsor. The creators of garbage canals and programs are wallets. It is entrepreneurs who lack culture and patriotism. First, entrepreneurs need to grow to Morozov, Tretyakov, Bashkirov, Lebedev, Bugrov, etc.

          Offer to wait, another 17?
      2. Varyag_0711
        Varyag_0711 15 February 2018 09: 23
        +46
        But is Fedya alone? But what about the master of all Russia, Nikita, the light of Sergeyevich? Yes, he broadcasts very correct things on the Besogon channel, very brightly, correctly, revealingly and sincerely ... BUT, what kind of “masterpieces” has he himself taken up recently? How is war shown in his paintings? Germans with bare backsides shit on barges with our wounded? Around the bloody NKVDeshniki rot the main character performed by the master himself, by the way, only he alone is able to fight, all the rest are dumb extras. This is a vision of the Second World War should be? Then this same Mikhalkov stigmatizes the boy, Kolya from Urengoy, what does the light stand for, so they say what a scoundrel, and who are you after your "imperishable"? In general, I like our “intelligentsia”, at first they will pour mud bugs on their country, on their people, and then they are terribly surprised why this suddenly is the same people, it is ready to hang this “intelligentsia” by lamp posts instead of garlands ... Indeed, what an absurdity They are the same "for the people", but the people somehow do not value it. Or maybe the whole misfortune of our "intelligentsia" is that it has never been popular? She was always torn from the people, always somewhere hovering in the clouds and thought thought how to make life easier for this people? As one friend of mine, a doctor of philosophy, said about our intelligentsia: raw moonshine and ayada will go to the people, to feed the peasants with their hands ... This is not an understanding by our intelligentsia of their people, their needs and aspirations, and will someday lead to the fact that they will drive this people, the very intelligentsia in the neck, and some will be beaten in fever, or they will sink it with a barge, and rightly so.
        As long as we have such a bourgeois intelligentsia oriented toward the West, this is how it will be in the country. We need the intelligentsia that Stalin once raised from the common people, that’s who could lead him into battle and labor feat! And now there are practically none of those left, much to my regret.
        Somehow like this. hi
        P.S. I haven’t mentioned this yet about Kostik Raikin, Misha Efremov, Reichelgauz and others “brought together” the current “culture” ... It’s sad, but when there was a time when I respected some of them.
        1. Alber
          Alber 15 February 2018 11: 15
          +3
          Quote: Varyag_0711
          In general, I like our "intelligentsia", at first they will pour a bucket of mud on their country, on their people, and then they terribly wonder why it is suddenly that same people, it is ready to hang this "intelligentsia" by lamp posts instead of garlands ...

          "The intelligentsia is the threshing floor of a nation ..." once a prominent person once said
          And most of these jesters, clowns and buffoons who do not follow the screens and fields of TV and other media are absolutely worthless creatures like Srebrennikov and others. The Midinsky officials and the same Migalkovs themselves produce this “dung,” which means they are supported by the Kremlin, the State Duma and the entire top leadership
        2. Victor N
          Victor N 15 February 2018 11: 32
          +9
          You have some too abstract idea of ​​the intelligentsia, especially the modern one. The people were called "Forward!" not intellectuals, but commissars.
          But all this is far from the topic, as are the comments at the moment. Society has not yet decided on its attitude to the values ​​of the past and present. It is gratifying that the industrialists began to suspect something, but only began. And it is necessary for everyone and everyone to rethink history and their role in its continuation. This will be the basis of the new ideology.
          So: this state was created by MY ancestors, created for myself and for ME. Ancestors are grandmothers and grandfathers who loved their children and grandchildren very much, as I love my own. Would live - would love and me.
          They built the state of EVERYTHING, otlynivavshih condemned and expelled, otherwise it was impossible.
          They built in the most adverse environmental conditions: on the Russian plain of minerals, it was practically not known, forests and swamps, and a harsh non-European climate.
          Right in the subject are the events of the economic history of Russia: the creation of industry in the Urals, the development of deposits; Mastering the vastness of New Russia - Potemkin, His Serene Highness Prince Vorontsov; Development of Donbass; Trans-Siberian Railway, deposits and enterprises of Siberia and the Far East, Magnitogorsk, Kuzbass, BAM, Norilsk, diamonds of Yakutia; South Stream, North Stream, Yamal and Sabeta, Power of Siberia, Crimean Bridge.
          All these enterprises conceived and carried out by specific people - ENTREPRENEURS, investing in them all their strength, their LIFE (completely), incredibly risking, condemning themselves to unthinkable efforts, sacrificing mental and physical health and much - much. Money is not the main risk. Major in economic history - ORGANIZERS.
          It wasn’t easy to decide to build a damn factory in the Urals, where there are no people, and no tools, and there is nothing to feed the workers! How did Potemkin populate New Russia deserted? What a tremendous spiritual power a person had, having conceived and pushing a project for the development of Norilsk’s wealth! And to decide to build a gas liquefaction plant on the Yamal Peninsula, the Crimean bridge, risking, if not all, then many, knowing that the vast majority hates you only for the fact of existence - you need to have great courage.
          That's what you should write and make movies. Material for many masterpieces is enough.
          Socialist realist traditionalists can write and shoot about labor collectives and heroes of the best. But to make a film about HEROES-OLIGARCHS - who is not weak ?!
          1. dauria
            dauria 15 February 2018 14: 49
            +5
            But to shoot a film about the HEROES-OLIGARCHS - who cares ?!


            Take off, do not worry. So they will tell about the sufferings of the Potanins, that the old women are "grave" with tears of pity they themselves will carry.


            The idle people parted decently ...
            Pot wipes the merchant's face
            And he says, akimbo picture:
            "Well ... something ... well done! .. well done! ..

            With God, now home, - I congratulate you!
            (Hats off - if I say!)
            Barrel wine workers exhibit
            And I give the arrears! .. "



        3. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 15 February 2018 23: 59
          +10
          In Russia, the intelligentsia “wound up” under Peter the Great, oriented to the West. Since that time, the intelligentsia has been working for itself in isolation from the people, and only under I. Stalin from the 30s a short period of time was fruitful, but with the beginning of "perestroika" chernukha again began. Over the past 30 years, neither a decent film has been created, nor a worthy novel has been written, but the theater is completely "sucks."
      3. 108- guards pdp
        108- guards pdp 15 February 2018 09: 44
        +2
        Fedya, same PATSAK!
      4. antivirus
        antivirus 15 February 2018 11: 27
        +1
        It shines without a bulb. Alternative energy.
    3. Victor N
      Victor N 15 February 2018 12: 17
      +5
      Gaidai would not have pulled this topic.
      Would he be able to make a film about the tragic personality of businessman Abramovich, who almost became the hero of Chukotka’s minimum, and then didn’t cuddle, stupid, invest in a foreign football club and a stupid yacht, for which any homeless person would now be happy to overlay him? And he could become a hero of the exploration of the North!
      Or about antiheroes - directors of the largest enterprises, such as Uralmash, the Black Sea Shipbuilding Plant - which allowed the complete collapse of the most powerful plants?
    4. siberalt
      siberalt 15 February 2018 12: 33
      +6
      Anecdote from Norkin.
      - Listen to me. There are no such words in the Russian language as "no" and "sho." Got it?
      - Got it. Well, no and no, and sho? lol
  2. Fedorovich
    Fedorovich 15 February 2018 05: 02
    +8
    How can I not recall the joke about the laundry ...
  3. Holsten
    Holsten 15 February 2018 05: 33
    +22
    First you need to decide on the ideology in the Constitution of the Russian Federation. Actually, there is no RF without ideology, which, by the way, is well understood by the "partners": "Americans understand perfectly well that without ideology there can be no systematic government, but without systemic, respectively, effective policy" / "National Idea of ​​the USA" from the monograph " Highest Values ​​of the Russian State ". To fight the liberal bastion, real legislative weapons are needed, not regular casualties from solitary fighters.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 15 February 2018 08: 33
      +7
      Quote: Holsten
      Actually, there is no RF without ideology

      Who told you that we have no ideology? Does the Constitution of Russia provide for a variety of ideologies?
      Art. 13 of the Constitution
      1. The Russian Federation recognizes ideological diversity.
      2. No ideology can be established as a state or mandatory.
      3. The Russian Federation recognizes political diversity, multi-party system.

      The country is currently pursuing the ideology of the EP party, representing the interests of the exploiters. The Communists will win - the ideology of Marxism will be carried out.
      1. Holsten
        Holsten 15 February 2018 11: 00
        +6
        I see a difference in the ideology of the state and the ideology of heaps of grapplers who have seized power and succeed each other.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 15 February 2018 11: 07
          0
          Quote: Holsten
          I see a difference in the ideology of the state and the ideology of heaps of grapplers who have seized power and succeed each other.

          I hope that I stand for state ideology, you understand that in the event of the fulfillment of your desire, which ideology will be consolidated as a state ideology i.e. the ideology of the bourgeois party (EP), which constitutes the constitutional majority in the Duma, will be consolidated.
          In other words, you stand for what you are fighting against. You already decide.
          1. V. Salama
            V. Salama 15 February 2018 16: 48
            +2
            Quote: Boris55
            ... you understand that in case of the fulfillment of your desire, what ideology will be fixed as a state one i.e. the ideology of the bourgeois party (EP), which constitutes the constitutional majority in the Duma, will be consolidated.

            Smiled! Boriss55, you yourself claimed that in fact we have an invisible state ideology that is ERovskaya. But do not worry, such an ideology is not only impossible to print and publish, but also to voice at least its basic principles in a decent company. I would immediately be in a nickle ...
      2. Nulgorod
        Nulgorod 15 February 2018 11: 36
        +2
        "No ideology can be established as state or mandatory."
        There is no ideology. Dot.
        1. Victor N
          Victor N 15 February 2018 12: 29
          +3
          It categorically hurts. And why do not you like the idea of ​​"Equip Russia"?
          1. Nulgorod
            Nulgorod 16 February 2018 02: 22
            +3
            This is not an idea, this is an empty phrase that everyone can interpret as he wants.
      3. glk63
        glk63 15 February 2018 11: 48
        +4
        "Ideological diversity" in one country is clinical schizophrenia. It is like different personalities in one person. The result will be, like in a fable about a swan, cancer and a pike. If we had in mind a multi-party system in which each party is the bearer of its own ideology, then in this case, “ideological diversity” is nothing more than cunning, because at this particular moment, the ideology of the country will be determined by the ideology of the ruling party.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 15 February 2018 12: 26
          +1
          Quote: Nulgorod
          There is no ideology. Dot.

          Quote: glk63
          "Ideological diversity" in one country - clinical schizophrenia

          In our country there are many parties. Each party has its own ideology. To assert the opposite is to show your full incompetence in the matter under discussion.
          1. glk63
            glk63 15 February 2018 12: 46
            0
            Apparently, you did not read my post to the end. It’s about multiparty system there ...
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 15 February 2018 13: 25
              0
              Quote: glk63
              Apparently, you did not read my post to the end. It’s about multiparty system there ...

              I agree. No need to take away from the people the right to choose ideology.
              1. glk63
                glk63 15 February 2018 17: 03
                +2
                Of course it’s not necessary, but you see, unlike the USA, we have parties with a radically different ideology. In essence, ideology is determined by the economic basis, namely the right of ownership of the means of production (all other differences are insignificant). Thus (based on the current Constitution) it may happen that we will build capitalism for 4 (or now 6 years), and after the next election (if, theoretically imagine, the Communist Party will win) we will build socialism, and this idiocy can be repeated cyclically. In the USA it is easier - Republicans and Democrats differ from each other in the same way as two cars of the same model, but in different colors.
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 15 February 2018 18: 17
                  0
                  Quote: glk63
                  and this idiocy can be repeated cyclically

                  And yet it is much better and even more democratic than in the USA, when the people themselves determine the vector of their development.
                  In general, before discussing ideology, it was necessary to give a definition of ideology, what it is eaten with, its purpose and to whom and for what it serves, etc. .. In this case, we would all avoid many misunderstandings ...
                  http://wiki-kob.ru/%D0%98%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE%D0%BB
                  %D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B8%D1%8F
                  1. glk63
                    glk63 15 February 2018 18: 48
                    0
                    Yes, the fact of the matter is that “people” do not define anything (neither in the USA, nor in our country). And about the ideology, in my opinion, it’s better here: http://www.grandars.ru/college/sociologiya/ideolo
                    giya.html. The thing is that under the term "ideology" - now everyone understands his own (and not even in the philistine sense). However, I feel, we will now get to the main issue of philosophy ...
      4. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 15 February 2018 13: 21
        +2
        Quote: Boris55
        Currently, the country is conducting the ideology of the party EP,

        But can you say what this ideology is?
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 15 February 2018 13: 27
          +2
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          But can you say what this ideology is?

          What is the ideology of the exploiters? Squeeze out as many people as possible without paying anything at all.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 15 February 2018 14: 33
            +2
            THIS IS DEMAGOGY, specifically, there is something to say
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 15 February 2018 18: 18
              0
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              THIS IS DEMAGOGY, specifically, there is something to say

              Specifically - read K.Marx's Capital. Retell its contents - I see no reason.
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 15 February 2018 20: 57
                0
                verbiage again
                you don’t see any sense since you are not able to answer on the topic
      5. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 15 February 2018 18: 18
        0
        Quote: Boris55
        Does the Constitution of Russia provide for a variety of ideologies?

        And rushed loudly three,
        Swan, Cancer and Pike ...
        Gay, gay, gay, live fun!
        Gay, gay, gay, and go ahead! laughing
      6. haron
        haron 19 February 2018 20: 32
        0
        Quote: Boris55
        The country is currently pursuing the ideology of the EP party, representing the interests of the exploiters.

        100% hi
        What is the announcement of the entire fraternal people "Bandera". Slowly untwisted quotes of their Ukrainian comrades in the "party", such as tyagnibok Turchin and other guardians for a single world currency. Then they connected smaller provocateurs (but there are more of them) ..... and off we go. And now, for half of my relatives, I’m a “gangster,” and it’s besapilatory - for I ask them: “Are you sure you know the whole truth?”

        So there is no need to crucify about uncultured puppeteers - if they have bred in you, then there is a sea of ​​food for them, first-class food!
        1. Conserp
          Conserp 20 February 2018 00: 35
          0
          Quote: haron
          What is the announcement of the entire fraternal people "Bandera

          Why are you lying?

          Quote: haron
          And now I’m already for half my relatives, “gangster”

          Deserved the same.
          1. haron
            haron 21 February 2018 13: 59
            0
            Quote: Conserp
            Why are you lying?

            Quote: Conserp
            Deserved the same.

            Here you go!
            Another example of what I wrote.
            YOU did not even bother to ask and understand why this happened, because YOU do not need this. YOU do not need truth, you need to find the guilty anywhere, but not in yourself.

            A flag in hand, a keyboard fighter, and on a good journey in search of new enemies of the fatherland where they are not, but where you will create them with your ridiculous phrases.
            1. Conserp
              Conserp 21 February 2018 15: 19
              0
              This is not an example of what you wrote.

              This is an example of how you started repeating standard Bandera propaganda cliches from the very first line.

              Fat was dropped.
    2. Victor N
      Victor N 15 February 2018 12: 24
      0
      Flag in hand! In the meantime, they will start talking, it is worth making a film about the heroes of the oil industry who managed to drastically increase the depth of oil refining in a short time, risking their capital. About radishes respecting pretzels that brought dishonestly earned money to London without paying taxes.
  4. cedar
    cedar 15 February 2018 05: 36
    +16
    "... I want to live in Great Russia, not a US branch ..."

    Almost everything was written on the case, and in the end the author jumped out, remained true to himself ...
    We do not live in the US branch, but in the US colony, where the mother country has set its laws in the robbery economy and corrupting propaganda standards in ideology and culture. Until we get out of this swamp of greenery and gain sovereignty in the form of a sovereign Central Bank and its printing press, we will not see our own sovereign ruble and credit working for the country and its people, for our economy and culture.
    Roman, it’s time in 25 years to understand and learn that whose money the girl is dancing ... Russia.
    Sovereignty. Russia. Putin
    1. Bastinda
      Bastinda 15 February 2018 06: 13
      +28
      As I understand it, in the last line you need to cross out the unnecessary?
    2. Greenwood
      Greenwood 15 February 2018 06: 53
      +18
      Quote: cedar
      We do not live in the US branch, but in the US colony, where the mother country has set its laws in the robbery economy and corrupting propaganda standards in ideology and culture. Until we get out of this swamp of greenery and gain sovereignty in the form of a sovereign Central Bank and its printing press, we will not see our own sovereign ruble and credit working for the country and its people, for our economy and culture.

      Quote: cedar
      Sovereignty. Russia. Putin
      Cedar, with this expression you cross out all of the above at the end of each loud cue. You acknowledge that Russia is a US colony, and then write “Putin”, under whose authority this position of Russia has only strengthened. Directly mutually exclusive paragraphs? I will answer you as usual:
      Quote: cedar
      Sovereignty. Russia. Putin
      Putin. Vodka. Balalayka.
      1. glk63
        glk63 15 February 2018 13: 09
        +3
        Keep yes
    3. zyablik.olga
      zyablik.olga 15 February 2018 07: 05
      +17
      On the park I put you +, sorry! request
      Quote: cedar
      Sovereignty. Russia. Putin

      What the hell is "suverinitet" fool when we invest billions in the US financial system - which, if you believe the zomboyaschiku, is the main source of current problems in Russia.
      1. Victor N
        Victor N 15 February 2018 12: 35
        +2
        Have you ever had the idea to keep family reserves not only in rubles, but also in foreign currency? If not, then you are not yet ripe for the topic.
        1. zyablik.olga
          zyablik.olga 15 February 2018 14: 49
          +6
          Quote: Victor N
          Have you ever had the idea to keep family reserves not only in rubles, but also in foreign currency? If not, then you are not yet ripe for the topic.

          Since when have the money collected from citizens in the form of taxes become someone's "family reserves"?
          And if the thought did not occur to you that the reserves must be kept at home, and not at the gangster who can take your money earned at any moment. If not, then you are definitely not ripe for the topic. No.
        2. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 15 February 2018 18: 29
          +3
          When you have a rotten roof over your head, and sick children require something, while you carry your money to a neighbor who imposes sanctions on you, who are you?
          1. sharp-lad
            sharp-lad 16 February 2018 01: 32
            +4
            Central Bank of the Russian Federation. laughing
    4. Victor N
      Victor N 15 February 2018 07: 13
      +4
      In the film of his own life, everyone chooses the entourage whoever he likes best. Speak more American? So for what decade, the "honored and" popular "in those lands have been living systemically, receiving and eating the allowances given out for services to their native country. And over time they lose their orientation - where is the homeland ?! What happens in Russia from tourists. What are they they can do it.
      May not pay "for merits" for the time spent outside the birthplace?
    5. av58
      av58 15 February 2018 11: 04
      +1
      Little remains: to establish a fund to support patriotic cinema, and anyone who cries about a hard life in the colony can spit out 10% of their earnings for the production of a new masterpiece equal to “War and Peace”. No one will. In fact, "why am I, is there a state?" :-)
      1. Victor N
        Victor N 15 February 2018 12: 39
        0
        Powerful support for American cinema is constantly produced through the box office cinemas. And they give it! And a lot!
        1. Dedall
          Dedall 16 February 2018 23: 03
          +5
          In Soviet times, we profit from table cinemas in the second or third place after the oil industry and woodworking. Something like that.
    6. free
      free 15 February 2018 12: 50
      +2
      Quote: cedar
      "... I want to live in Great Russia, not a US branch ..."

      Almost everything was written on the case, and in the end the author jumped out, remained true to himself ...
      We do not live in the US branch, but in the US colony, where the mother country has set its laws in the robbery economy and corrupting propaganda standards in ideology and culture. Until we get out of this swamp of greenery and gain sovereignty in the form of a sovereign Central Bank and its printing press, we will not see our own sovereign ruble and credit working for the country and its people, for our economy and culture.
      Roman, it’s time in 25 years to understand and learn that whose money the girl is dancing ... Russia.
      Sovereignty. Russia. Putin

      Are you an uncle in yourself? First you say we live in a colony, and then Putin’s sovereignty, And who has ruled for 17 years by your colony, and still rules a colony. He gave the boss, he passed it with giblets!
  5. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 15 February 2018 05: 43
    +16
    Until the Soviet ideology returns, it will be so! Lies, abomination, cuts, embezzlement, arrogance of liberal thieves from culture. !!!!!
    1. sxfRipper
      sxfRipper 15 February 2018 06: 48
      +6
      Soviet ideology is an EYE-EYE disease. Who was, they know what it is.
      1. V. Salama
        V. Salama 15 February 2018 17: 13
        +1
        Quote: sxfRipper
        Soviet ideology is an EYE-EYE disease. Who was, they know what it is.

        Are you talking about an idea or about the practice of its implementation? If you do not see the difference, then this is an ear-eye-head disease.
    2. Victor N
      Victor N 15 February 2018 07: 21
      +8
      Why are you so scared of yourself in the early morning ?! Look out the window - the station "Soviet" drove a long time, other ideological landscapes. Go back - it will cost a lot, and to find fellow travelers to find a problem. It’s easier to go out, look around, dig in and begin to equip a new ideological space in accordance with realities (it’s time for a long time).
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  6. Ace Tambourine
    Ace Tambourine 15 February 2018 06: 09
    +7
    Well then why howl then ?!
    At the polls step arsh from the couch.
    Drop the 18 year old yoke, start with yourself, revive the SovDeps.
    And may the Force be with you.
    Amen.
  7. antiamerikan
    antiamerikan 15 February 2018 06: 27
    +9
    let’s better add school hours to algebra with geometry - there will be more sense
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 15 February 2018 06: 56
      +27
      What are you? So people will become too smart, you see, they’ll learn to count well, and there they will begin to understand the economy better than our gurus Oreshkin, Kudrin and Nabiullina, they will still complain that they are robbed. Well, see, let’s look further at “Dom-2”.
      1. AllXVahhaB
        AllXVahhaB 15 February 2018 08: 03
        +5
        Quote: Greenwood
        What are you? So people will become too smart, you see, they’ll learn to count well, and there they will begin to understand the economy better than our gurus Oreshkin, Kudrin and Nabiullina, they will still complain that they are robbed. Well, see, let’s look further at “Dom-2”.

        These are such smart people with a bunch of hours in algebra with geometry, with a cheerful hooting Soviet Union and finished! And how they understood the economy - in just 500 days we will become cooler than America !!!
      2. a housewife
        a housewife 15 February 2018 09: 42
        +5
        actually I asked everyone I know - who is watching House 2, did not find a soul. Interviewed by a man of 30. I asked my daughters about their friends - nobody. The most useless channel! No, that something smart was shown there!
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 15 February 2018 10: 11
          +1
          Alas, I know people who are very active in watching House-2. So the program has its own audience.
          1. a housewife
            a housewife 15 February 2018 10: 25
            +3
            apparently small.
        2. AllXVahhaB
          AllXVahhaB 15 February 2018 10: 31
          +2
          Quote: housewife
          actually I asked everyone I know - who is watching House 2, did not find a soul. Interviewed by a man of 30. I asked my daughters about their friends - nobody. The most useless channel! No, that something smart was shown there!

          And you expand the experiment - interview the same audience for viewing p.p.r.n.o. I think the result will be the same. At the same time, thematic resources, like TNT, remain the most demanded content. Miracles and only ...
        3. AllXVahhaB
          AllXVahhaB 15 February 2018 10: 35
          +1
          Quote: housewife
          The most useless channel!

          This is how to look ... If you take the program of New Year's Eve, then the only thing you can watch ... Or do you prefer the endless blue lights?
          1. a housewife
            a housewife 15 February 2018 10: 38
            +3
            Oh, I don’t remember how many years I don’t look at them! At the same time, all kinds of entertaining Petrosyan, I don’t remember, in short, I don’t watch.
    2. Romey
      Romey 15 February 2018 07: 15
      +6
      Nowhere to add, work programs are already bloated. Enough for a start to remove this race for the results of the exam and exam, which begins almost from grade 5.
  8. sxfRipper
    sxfRipper 15 February 2018 06: 47
    +4
    EMNIP, the very first congress of people's deputies of the USSR, one cried from the tibuna - we have few new and good songs about miners ... He was immediately answered - both about the watchmen and about the elevators!
    And will you all go to a film about a brainstorming in a wheel-rolling workshop? Only honestly!
    1. Vladivostok1969
      Vladivostok1969 15 February 2018 07: 41
      +11
      Quote: sxfRipper
      And will you all go to a film about a brainstorming in a wheel-rolling workshop? Only honestly!

      Remember Spring on Zarechnaya street. What is not the film? hi
      1. sxfRipper
        sxfRipper 15 February 2018 09: 56
        +3
        Kuban Cossacks - even cooler!
      2. a housewife
        a housewife 15 February 2018 10: 23
        +11
        Great movie!!! Where did the main character work and by whom - remember? And what was the production problem at Tractor Drivers? Who worked Petrishchev (Rolan Bykov) in Big Break? And why all this is not particularly remembered? Because all these productions are just a backdrop. All these heroes were ordinary people, workers. Films about love. Heroes are the same as most viewers. And making a film is really about production - nonsense. It is not interesting to watch the baker about the problems of the steelworkers, and the miner about the microbiologists. A normal person watches a film about the war as a difficult, terrible time. And he wants to see our victory there, and with a good ending. Because we really won. And while the bulk does not understand which machine was in the 43rd year, and whether the gun was shown the right one. Here the military gathered - you wonder if the dress of the main character of the film matches the fashion of the 45th year? Hardly. And criticism of war films often rests on such things - whether the grenade system. And the filmmakers have gone to the other extreme - it would be necessary to compose a story abruptly, All this is in "Eternal Call", this is a masterpiece, and they can’t remove anything like that. I never watch The Ballad of a Soldier and A Dawns Here Are Quiet. Do you know why? Crying! I never watch "Burnt by the Sun." Not interested! What, then, was financing better? Is the film high-quality? Are the artists different? No, it’s just that a person knew that he was taking pictures of whom he was playing. It was necessary to feel. And now we must not feel, but play. More attentive. The plot will wind up, but there is nothing to sympathize with. and the point is not that the hero is not a worker, but a banker. The fact is that he is not a man, but a doll. Mask. And so long as this masquerade does not stop, there will be no good films. And again about America. They took an example from her! Interestingly they can take off! But there are no feelings! Well, yes, the Titanic is very moving !!! So many corpses! And the main character is drown. Very nice and pathetic. but all the same - masks! It’s better to let the terminators and the Macken take off, they will succeed in their adventures. We need films that take the soul! And you can’t see them ...
        1. av58
          av58 15 February 2018 11: 12
          +1
          Quote: housewife
          What, then, was financing better? Is the film high-quality? Are the artists different? No, it’s just that a person knew that he was shooting, whom he was playing. It was necessary to feel. And now we must not feel, but play. More attentive. The plot will wind up, but there is nothing to sympathize with. and the point is not that the hero is not a worker, but a banker.

          I have to say that the time was different, and the financing was stable according to estimates, and the actors were BETTER. The film was worse, there was even a joke: "The Soviet film is the best in the world, it is not afraid of the light." By the way, acting is a different story altogether. After the series, the normal actor and the normal actress, who work on the role, appeared, it was very difficult to find, mostly they use stupid cliches with screams, tantrums, and phrases like "I hate you." Cinema, unfortunately and fortunately, is primarily a spectacle, hence the viewer's craving for a dull story that draws in like a quagmire. As for bankers, they are people too wink
          1. a housewife
            a housewife 15 February 2018 15: 25
            +4
            so am I about the same thing! Without a good film, without money, they made very good films. Not everyone, of course, filmed a little at all. and a hundred filmed were many worthless, some good. Masterpieces came across rarely. And now you can’t see any masterpieces at all, good ones are occasionally come across. It's not about the actors! We always have a lot of talented people. They have no use! Started up this kind of - producer! Explain to me - who is this? In simple words, so that I, illiterate, understand. Is he a banker? Film expert? What kind of money does he invest in films - his own, strangers, state ones? The origin of the money is unknown? What does the owner of money want from the film - profit, entertainment, pushing any idea? What ideas? What actors get into the movies? How? Our schools do not release so much! And if someone is even supertalented, but they just took him off for various reasons, there will be no sense. He has no school! Well, after all, no one will take on the job of a designer, technologist, pilot, teacher, doctor of a person without special education just because he can see talent in this direction.
            The same applies to the rest - to screenwriters, for example. Where are the good scripts? Judging by the films, even by the series, they can still shoot well, but the plots !!! Same. A poor but talented girl is bound to go to Moscow (everything else is a province and sucks); evil Muscovites and all kinds of temptations, as well as false hobbies, trap her. She gets into various troubles. There are kind people who help her. She safely gets out. meets true love, becomes rich and famous. Happy end, curtain! Lightened sigh of the audience! However, for one such film, it’s not a TV series, they even gave an Oscar! "Moscow does not believe in tears". The rest is variations on the theme. It's nice to watch a movie, knowing in advance how it will end. The plot is not at all dumb, it is simply fed up with all the variations. And these variations are similar to beautiful rhinestones in comparison with a diamond.
            1. dauria
              dauria 15 February 2018 23: 16
              +1
              What does the owner of money want from the film - profit, entertainment, pushing any idea?


              Sincerely write ... And what do they need something for? Suppose, not money (well, a person has, even a surplus). Say no glory. Suppose you do not need to shove a mistress or relative into an actress. Just a man took, but thought about the soul. And he didn’t just think about it, but took up his head, “What am I doing, you bastard?” And I decided to make a film. Probably could. I would take the story as a basis (there are wonderful writers even now), I would find a screenwriter, director, and professional actors. Let's say (oh, a miracle) all these pros worked perfectly. Would get a movie at Home with Mezzanine or Lark level. And then what? Who will he be for? After all, spectators also need to be educated, oddly enough. Painstakingly making you think and worry, starting from cartoons, children's and school films. Probably, there would be spectators, and even among young people .. But the trouble is - we are now "like the west." Built according to the same laws. So, the movie will be like them. With the same layout - a bit of masterpieces, a bit of good, the rest is one-day on the principle of "customer desire is the law. We will show you exactly what you want." But all in the first place for profit.
              1. a housewife
                a housewife 16 February 2018 02: 21
                +2
                Of course, the viewer must be educated. So what to educate him with? Where are those cartoons and children's movies ?! What adult films do youth educate? Still, first you need to shoot good pictures, and then the viewer will grow up on them. And why should not a masterpiece make a profit? There must be a profit. Only this should be a good, understandable film for everyone, do not mind for some film experts and festivals.
        2. Ace Tambourine
          Ace Tambourine 17 February 2018 09: 46
          +1
          That’s your lie ...
          The most recent production film has become a cult.
          Well, the one in which about the hard work of killers.
          AND...!!! I remembered ..Brother !!!
      3. Mestny
        Mestny 15 February 2018 10: 24
        +2
        Yeah, great.
        Still alive are those who remember how back then the workers actually lived on the outskirts of a small town near the factory.
        Ask them if this movie is like or not.
        Well, if you forget about reality, and leave only the lyrics of the relationship - yes, the film is good.
        So all sorts of Goblins blaspheme Russian cinema precisely for this reason - there is no historical truth (what?), But only snot with sugar. And this is how they say it is unacceptable, then, they say, iron people lived with smiles on their faces, and the only thing they did was build a bright future, and "calmly burned the tanks."
        There is only one question - these fighters for film truth - are they fools, or are we considered fools?
        1. Nulgorod
          Nulgorod 15 February 2018 11: 41
          +2
          Come on, remember more about the Gulag, repression, deficit ... What do you prefer: "Star Wars" or "Brigade"?
          1. dSK
            dSK 15 February 2018 13: 52
            +3
            Quote: Nulgorod
            what do you prefer
            Liturgy.
            With the feast of the Presentation of the Lord Orthodox!
            "Meeting" in translation from Old Slavonic "meeting". On this day there was a meeting of the Son of God and humanity. Met two "Testament" and "Old" finally gave way to the "New".
            A working day, and at 8 o’clock the temple is full to capacity. And everyone sang "Believe" and "Our Father."
            1. dSK
              dSK 15 February 2018 14: 24
              +3
              Career guidance project for students in grades 6-10 "Ticket to the Future" proposed to launch Russian President Vladimir Putin Yesterday at a meeting with participants in the Mentor forum. At the first stage of the project, students will identify their professional interests via the Internet. On the second try to work in the centers of competence. At the third stage, they will receive grants for cooperation with companies, where they can get the necessary skills.
              Participants in the first stage could be about 100 thousand students. The project will need about 1 billion rubles a year. "We will find the money," - Putin assured. He noted that he would give instructions to the government in the near future. According to the president, any professional would like his job "ended up in good hands."
              "Vladimir Putin called the trait of the Russian people, which is present in his heart and soul." In other countries, an individual approach is appreciated, unlike the Russian people. "But our people nevertheless have an element of collectivism strongly present in the heart, in the soul."
            2. a housewife
              a housewife 15 February 2018 15: 28
              +2
              Happy Holiday !!! love
        2. V. Salama
          V. Salama 15 February 2018 18: 00
          +7
          Quote: Mestny
          Yeah, great.
          Still alive are those who remember how the working outskirts of a small town near the factory actually lived then ...

          Well, you’re straight Solzhenitsyn (the outskirts, small, nearby, far away ...), also a master to give out a part as a whole.
          Consideration of an insufficient set of essential or a set of non-essential properties of an object (phenomenon) is a half-truth that is worse than a lie, because it is based on facts, and with the help of facts you can prove anything.
          It remains only to find out whether you intentionally do this or out of thought. By the way, I spent my childhood and youth in a working village, on the outskirts of a small town. It was a happy and carefree time in my life that I can’t see anywhere now, not only on a personal level, but namely the lives of people around me and, above all, peers. My parents worked at the factory. The plant ceased to exist in the early 2000s. There were still many alive from those who worked at this plant, including my peers. Their opinions and assessments do not coincide very much with yours, and I said this too softly.
        3. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 15 February 2018 18: 37
          +2
          Quote: Mestny
          Still alive are those who remember how back then the workers actually lived on the outskirts of a small town near the factory.
          Ask them if this movie is like or not.

          Which one? On the "Big Break" - quite.
    2. V. Salama
      V. Salama 15 February 2018 17: 27
      +3
      Quote: sxfRipper
      ...
      And will you all go to a film about a brainstorming in a wheel-rolling workshop? Only honestly!

      You can discredit any idea, reducing it to absurdity. In addition to the dishonesty of logical reception, this can be a ghost of a narrow mind. And if by mind, then each time is characterized by its problems and requires its own heroes. A talented artist always subtly feels both the problems and the characters behind which time.
      1. sxfRipper
        sxfRipper 15 February 2018 19: 36
        0
        The question is, what kind of heroes is the time for now? In short! In my own words, I will not quibble.
        1. V. Salama
          V. Salama 16 February 2018 15: 46
          0
          Quote: sxfRipper
          The question is, what kind of heroes is the time for now? In short! In my own words, I will not quibble.

          We all want to be happy and we all love our homeland - both herbivores, and predators, and parasites. Herbivores need green grass for happiness. To be content with a predator, it is necessary to devour a herbivore, and the parasite doesn’t care whose skin it is.
          I apologize for the analogy. An analogy in itself is a dangerous thing, because it can cause incorrect, not supposed analogies. But you wanted to briefly, and here either an analogy, or you need to be clever, which is boring and, given the expressed analogy and the following explanation below, may be meaningless:
          There is such a principle of "party affiliation", introduced allegedly by Aristotle. This is the socio-political (more specifically, the social-class) position of man. This is the principle of ideology, which means an objectively existing phenomenon. That is, objectively, you and I can have a different view of social reality, each has its own truth, its own vision of the future of the country and the ways of its development. And if the country is in danger, we will be on opposite sides of the barricades and cut to death with each other, and not with real evil. And we will have different heroes.
          A talented and honest artist, who is also a carrier of high morality, as a rule, he is capable, without intricate words, intuitively feeling the essence of the situation and the true needs of the people, to create a work that opens his eyes, consolidates people to solve problems that are really important for a given time and, naturally forms those heroes who are ready to tackle her decision, often pushing back personal interest. I think it always has been. Take any hero and analyze what books he read in childhood.
          1. sxfRipper
            sxfRipper 17 February 2018 00: 36
            +2
            Take any hero and analyze what books he read as a child
            From the opposite. I take a hero, on whom brought up more than one generation (mine - including). Arkady Gaidar. "At the age of 16, he commanded a regiment" © ... Actually, not a regiment, but a punitive detachment, he fought with women and children. When, having matured, I realized WHAT he was doing, wrote children's books, which are still NECESSARY to read!
            Threat - to his son, Timur - eternal memory. But about the next generations - I will not say anything ... And they read the books of their grandfather and great-grandfather.
            1. V. Salama
              V. Salama 17 February 2018 18: 07
              +3
              Quote: sxfRipper
              ... And they read the books of their grandfather and great-grandfather.
              You asked "briefly." Apparently I overdid it - carried away by the context. It was necessary to put quotation marks. In most cases, it is impossible to analyze who read which books. Parenting is a comprehensive process and life is the best educator. Knowing the biography, you can trace how the worldview is formed, education plays a big role, something is genetically laid down and can manifest itself under certain conditions. And just to read, a certain motivation for this or that information should be formed. In order to test your convictions for strength or to refute the views of ideological opponents, you did not have the desire to study Lenin's "Philosophical Notebooks", Materialism and Empirio-Criticism, for example. I think not. Because in your life you did not have to stand at a crossroads or you’re one of those to whom everything is clear already. Well, I mean, self-education, as an element of self-education, also plays an important role. So you wrote about A. Gaidar, in fact you slandered him. Here I am wrong, slandered you, you just studied the history of White-emigre propaganda. Gaidar participated in the civil war according to the rules by which it was fought. The only thing that differs from the whites is that he didn’t execute executions by a court decision. I also doubt that he shot children, even I don’t have reliable information regarding women, which I can’t say about Kolchakites, whose atrocities (Perm province) are based on research studies of a group of local historians who cannot be suspected of sympathizing with the Soviet regime.
              1. sxfRipper
                sxfRipper 17 February 2018 18: 35
                0
                Bravo! Already wept! He remembered his youth, lectures on Marxist-Leninist philosophy and other scientific HERNE, which we were struck in the head. I won’t argue about Gaidar and agitation. I see no reason to argue with a person programmed before conception.
                1. V. Salama
                  V. Salama 17 February 2018 21: 21
                  +1
                  Quote: sxfRipper
                  Bravo! Already wept! He remembered his youth, lectures on Marxist-Leninist philosophy and other scientific HERNE, which we were struck in the head. ...
                  There was a time (in the second year of VVUZ), I also thought so, apparently everything depended on the teachers. This happens when the teacher himself does not know the subject. I asked myself the question: why is there one thing in science, and in life a little differently? I decided to delve deeper. After the Academy, I was already convinced that knowledge of this science is power, first of all, as a universal method of cognition. And I am also convinced that if we all "studied well at school", then we all now lived in a strong and rich camp.
                  I am not trying to convince you of anything; I have set forth my position; listened to the arguments; appreciated how the world is changing and in what society I live. I believe that this is a natural need of almost every person.
                  PS This is the logical ending of our communication - we have different positions, therefore, our heroes are different. There will be different artists who will sing different heroes. And we will see different things in the same thing: “The White Sun of the Desert” was created as an anti-Soviet film, but it did not work out. Bulgakov was not an anti-Soviet ("You can’t write a libel on VOSRevolution by virtue of the greatness of this event"), but the film "Dog Heart" in his work is a liberal propaganda tool to discredit the Soviet past. Contemporaries perceived it as a satire, on the topic of social parasites and nothing more.
                  Regarding the "programming before conception," all your argumentation shows that you give yourself a characteristic. Excuse me, but this is obvious to any outside observer.
              2. Conserp
                Conserp 19 February 2018 00: 09
                +1
                Quote: V. Salama
                The only thing that differs from the whites is that they did not execute executions by a court decision.

                Why repeat the same Goebbels agitation, only of lesser intensity?

                White simply massively shot the "rebellious mob."

                "For every killed by the Bolsheviks, the Whites killed a hundred" - This is the commander of the American interventionists in Russia.

                And Gaidar fought with the Mujahideen. He shot there clearly enough, in my opinion.
                1. V. Salama
                  V. Salama 19 February 2018 19: 58
                  0
                  Quote: Conserp

                  .
                  Why repeat the same Goebbels propaganda, only of lesser intensity? ...

                  If we consider the issue in general for Russia, then you are right - the whites, with the sole purpose of “eradicating the red plague”, simply destroyed those who took the new government. And whose terror was bloody, I also have no question.
                  But in this case, knowing where my legs are growing from, I continued to discuss by inertia those liberal articles that were clearly false, but which included the argument of lawlessness - "failure to issue a court decision." Perhaps it was so, it is impossible to prove a lie, but I could not refute it, there is too little information. This argument is empty, did it make sense in the war to organize a trial every time, if you have an obvious enemy? Moreover, the whites didn’t bother with this either, or conducted the trial in the form of a farce in order to intimidate the population. So in s. Ilyinsky of the Perm province, where Soviet power was peacefully established, with the arrival of Kolchakites, 800 villagers were executed with an imitation of a court. Two types of sentences: "Bolshevik" (if he held an administrative position) and "Councilor" - clearly sympathizing. 2000 people there were locks to a pulp. So I compared these situations with just one controversial indicator - there was a court, there was no court. And who was to blame, there was no fault in these situations, this question is no longer standing because of the obviousness of the answer. For a long time, most have understood - who fought with whom.
            2. Conserp
              Conserp 19 February 2018 00: 01
              +1
              Quote: sxfRipper
              Arkady Gaidar. "At the age of 16, he commanded a regiment" © ... Actually, not a regiment, but a punitive detachment, he fought with women and children.

              Well done, hold a barrel of jam and a basket of cookies for repeating Goebbels agitation.
  9. AllXVahhaB
    AllXVahhaB 15 February 2018 06: 51
    +2
    in "eleven" years, no one will go to the machine or to the control panel of the combine. Everyone will strive for slightly different ideals.

    All this was already in the late 80s, early 90s. Despite the education, everyone went wherever they fell. I am the only one from the entire course (!!!) who subsequently worked in the specialty.
    1. AllXVahhaB
      AllXVahhaB 15 February 2018 07: 02
      +2
      And, by the way, everyone was brought up under socialist ideology and state order ...
      1. Mestny
        Mestny 15 February 2018 10: 29
        +2
        And by the way, everyone without exception received the Best Soviet Education in the World.
        1. V. Salama
          V. Salama 15 February 2018 18: 12
          +4
          Quote: Mestny
          And by the way, everyone without exception received the Best Soviet Education in the World.

          Do not distort. Education is the result of the educational and educational process. And learning is the joint work of the student and teacher to assimilate some of the social experience. So you can sit at the same desk and get the same diplomas, but have a different education. Do not confuse Soviet education as a process with the education of the object of this process.
          If you had a Soviet education, you wouldn’t have been punctured by such nonsense. So here you are a living example to refute yourself.
  10. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 15 February 2018 07: 15
    +2
    Here the election campaign will end, elections will be held, passions will subside and then ... maybe we will take up culture, youth education and industrial development. I ask supporters of the opposition not to fuss - this is just an assumption.
  11. vlad007
    vlad007 15 February 2018 07: 43
    +8
    Karen Shakhnazarov in an interview said: "Nowadays, Shukshin would never have entered the VGIK, he would simply not have been accepted."
    1. Angina
      Angina 15 February 2018 10: 35
      0
      High school unfortunately became formalized to the absolute, yes. The figure of reporting rules the ball. Recently, part-time he got a job in one of the famous universities. When I ask for a qualification almost Mayakovsky, I get from a wide leg ... not a passport, no, - the certificate of the Union of Designers: at creative faculties this corresponds to the title of Doctor of Science. "Where is the diploma ?!"
      1. mihey
        mihey 15 February 2018 14: 03
        +1
        Quote: AnGiNa
        the title of Doctor of Science.

        this is not a title - this is an academic degree ... (censorship)
    2. av58
      av58 15 February 2018 11: 16
      +1
      Would Shukshin enter VGIK, KG Shakhnazarov know better, but I’m more interested, would the modern viewer go to any Tarkovsky multiplex?
  12. Vladivostok1969
    Vladivostok1969 15 February 2018 07: 45
    +5
    Quote: rotmistr60
    So the election campaign will end, elections will be held, passions will subside and then

    In five and a half years they will begin to say that
    Let’s get down to culture, youth education and industrial development
    yes
  13. Gardamir
    Gardamir 15 February 2018 08: 04
    +6
    They remembered about ideology. Prosperity of the motherland, than not ideology? That's just life is multifaceted, for some reason in each topic they talk about only one thing. But all the shortcomings of culture are created by the current government. Either leave everything as is, or try to change.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 15 February 2018 08: 40
      +1
      Quote: Gardamir
      But all the shortcomings of culture are created by the current government.

      That is, in your opinion, neither Gorbaty nor Yeltsin were involved at all at all, at all? laughing
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 15 February 2018 08: 49
        +5
        neither Brokeback nor Yeltsin
        And also Brezhnev with Stalin, Nikolai with Alexandra and all Rurikovich with Monomashichi.
        The number 18 is very large, especially when it comes to human life. Imagine someone went to school in 2000, Putin is eternal for him.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 15 February 2018 09: 01
          +1
          Quote: Gardamir
          And also Brezhnev with Stalin, Nikolai with Alexandra and all Rurikovich with Monomashichi.

          Stalin put on a par with all the rest-all the same, it’s not worth it.
          We all live in biblical culture. Wherever you look, at least a movie, even a book, you will definitely recall something about the Bible: either a church in the background, a cross, or something else ... Without changing the foundation, whatever we build, we’ll still get a Kalashnikov assault rifle.
        2. Angina
          Angina 15 February 2018 10: 39
          +1
          For example, the current first course. Sometimes you listen to them and it seems like you have not woken up yet. :-))
  14. Opera
    Opera 15 February 2018 08: 11
    +10
    Quote: Holsten
    First you need to decide on the ideology in the Constitution of the Russian Federation.

    Gold words! And yet - censorship should be! A person should turn on the TV without fear that the children will hear about another prostitute who does not know from whom she gave birth to children, drug addicts, an artist who is ... everything that moves and now we need to find out whether these are children and endless jigarkhanyans! !! I’m silent about the political type of show. The key word here is the show that's all! And yet “our” cultural intelligentsia actually needs to be more cultural and most importantly more modest. It is already squeamish to look at the next navel of land, which was not allowed to board the plane without waiting in line! I want to tell him with a smile - show off, silly, be happy that they just did not let ...
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 15 February 2018 08: 43
      0
      Quote: Oper
      Golden words!

      So we have already decided. The people almost unanimously voted for the bourgeois ideology i.e. for the EP party, which is the bearer of this ideology and which adopts all the laws to promote its values, indicated by its ideology.
      1. Opera
        Opera 15 February 2018 10: 12
        +4
        Do I have to answer something ?!
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  15. Alexander S.
    Alexander S. 15 February 2018 08: 19
    0
    but the main thing is stability ...
  16. zivXP
    zivXP 15 February 2018 08: 22
    +6
    “... form a state order for the development of high-quality films on industry and agriculture”

    Is there anyone to develop quality films? And the very concept of quality - has long been synonymous with commercial. He cut down more grandmas - so he made better. In technology, it’s clear that it does not break - it means high-quality. And in culture, how to calculate this criterion? Spectators go to the cinema - it means they like the film. Although here again, advertising is more affected. And what about the TV screen? Fashion for television series is a nightmare, absolutely nothing to watch from the artistic. A couple of Culture and Star channels, and that’s it!
    1. av58
      av58 15 February 2018 11: 18
      0
      To get started, decide on the concept of "quality film."
  17. unignm
    unignm 15 February 2018 08: 38
    +1
    we do not have creators and those who have put to the wall
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 16 February 2018 00: 56
      +2
      Quote: unignm
      we have no creators

      "And the creators, Vavochka, we do not need a fuck. We need creeitors."
      V. Pelevin "Generation Pi" 1999 Almost twenty years of work, but relevant to this day.
  18. parusnik
    parusnik 15 February 2018 08: 49
    +11
    "... to form the state order for the development of high-quality films on industry and agriculture."
    .... Smiled .... Here's an option ... a remake of the Soviet film "Prize" .. a working version of "Salary", workers in a private enterprise refuse to pay, motivating them to work poorly .. the host capital is crawling in front of the team on their knees, asks to take a salary, otherwise its State Inspectorate for Labor will punish ... As a result, the team takes a salary, while solemnly swears that it will work better and for less money ...
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 15 February 2018 09: 11
      +1
      Quote: parusnik
      Here's an option ... a remake of the Soviet film "Prize"

      And I also immediately remembered this film, the picture was very funny, in Soviet times, films on a production topic were the real tyagomotin, and Premium - almost like a comedy, and the actors are good.
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 15 February 2018 09: 28
        0
        Why is it suggested to take films of the stagnation period as a sample? There are also good films glorifying working professions: Girls, Ivan Brovkin, Tractor Drivers, etc.
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 15 February 2018 09: 35
          +5
          Quote: Boris55
          There are also good films glorifying working professions.

          I agree with you that there were, apparently, it turned out that the country began to degrade, and with it the cinema, and it was all over Little Faith и Intergirls, glorified other "working" professions.
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 15 February 2018 09: 40
            +3
            Quote: bober1982
            it all ended with Little Faith and Intergirls, glorified other working professions.

            That's right. This is another confirmation that the media do not bring information to us, but form our worldview. First - inter-girl on the screens, then - girls on Tverskaya.
            1. a housewife
              a housewife 15 February 2018 10: 31
              +4
              In the "girls" - the beauty from the telegraph do not remember - what was it? True, there was no Tverskaya in the village.
              1. Boris55
                Boris55 15 February 2018 10: 37
                0
                Quote: housewife
                In the "girls" - the beauty from the telegraph do not remember - what was it?

                Shaw, really for the money ?! And why? belay
                1. a housewife
                  a housewife 15 February 2018 10: 42
                  +3
                  True, well, veiled, of course. And the book is more open. And I’m going to have an abortion. "they don’t marry such, brother" - a phrase from a film about her.
                  1. Boris55
                    Boris55 15 February 2018 10: 48
                    0
                    Quote: housewife
                    True, well, veiled, of course.

                    There was no sex in the USSR. There was love by mutual agreement. From this love children appeared, but from pro-Western sex - only sexually transmitted diseases. In "Girls" this character is shown as seeking his own happiness, and not earning a living for it.
                    1. a housewife
                      a housewife 15 February 2018 11: 03
                      +5
                      Happiness is different for everyone! Love by mutual agreement does not exist, only And love is mutual. Do you understand the difference? and sometimes love is unrequited. And this heroine "has no love, people thought up a fairy tale." and you can earn not only money, but a convenient position in society, a good job, gifts. calculation, in a word. By the way, the inter-girl, too, was not engaged in such earnings from corruption or stupidity. I was looking for happiness - to marry a decent foreigner.
                      1. Boris55
                        Boris55 15 February 2018 11: 19
                        0
                        Quote: housewife
                        Happiness is different for everyone!

                        It is in the "Girls" that young girls show how to do the right thing in order to achieve their happiness.
                        Quote: housewife
                        And this heroine "has no love, people thought up a fairy tale."

                        Therefore, she cried into the pillow that she did not believe in her love, as if to say to all the girls of the USSR - believe and she will definitely come.
            2. Mestny
              Mestny 15 February 2018 10: 41
              +2
              That's right. This is another confirmation that the media do not bring information to us, but form our worldview. First - an inter-girl on the screens, then - the girls on Tverskaya.

              On the contrary.
              First on Tverskaya, then on the screens.
              First, general drunkenness and theft in real life - then on the screens.
              Incidentally, this is one of the main reasons for the collapse of the USSR - the mismatch between what happens to them and what is shown to them on the screen or from the stands is unbearable for most citizens of the USSR.
              Of course, it still exists, only the percentage of non-compliance is lower. For a complete and joyful collapse of the country by their own citizens, it is clearly not enough. Only trolls on the Internet are jumping.
              1. Boris55
                Boris55 15 February 2018 10: 50
                0
                Quote: Mestny
                On the contrary. First on Tverskaya, then on the screens.

                First thought, then action. First we think, then we do. Not otherwise. Our thoughts form our media for us.
                Quote: Mestny
                First, general drunkenness and theft in real life - then on the screens.

                With accuracy on a turn.
            3. av58
              av58 15 February 2018 11: 19
              +1
              No need to juggle. "Intergirls" in the cinema came from Tverskaya. The film, by the way, is very high quality.
              1. Boris55
                Boris55 15 February 2018 11: 24
                0
                Quote: av58
                "Intergirls" in the cinema came from Tverskaya.

                Until 1989 (the year the movie was released), girls with low social responsibility were already selling themselves on Tverskaya Street? laughing
                1. woron333444
                  woron333444 15 February 2018 16: 07
                  +1
                  Already in the 80s they traded in full. To us in the city during the Olympics were evicted from Moscow. I remember the words of one: "Here is the city, neither sausages, nor peasants." At that time, we did not know what kind of currency it was. Yes, and we had no currency.
          2. Old warrior
            Old warrior 15 February 2018 11: 02
            +4
            The collapse of the Soviet Ideology began with films such as Kalina Krasnaya and Flying in a Dream and Waking, when the main characters of the films were not Scientists (I Go to the Thunderstorm), not Workers (Spring on Zarechnaya Street), and not Collective Farmers ( "Kuban Cossacks"), and criminals and reflex intellectuals.
            1. bober1982
              bober1982 15 February 2018 11: 15
              +3
              Quote: Old Warrior
              The collapse of Soviet ideology began with such films

              What ideology was - lying, such films. By the way, such a wonderful film as Spring on Zarechnaya Streetse, completely untrue. Schools of working youth in reality were completely different institutions than what was shown in the film. This is just one example, there are many.
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 15 February 2018 11: 21
                +4
                Quote: bober1982
                What ideology was false, such films. By the way, such a wonderful film as Spring on Zarechnaya Street was completely untrue.

                “Big change” is your fake too? My wife worked in evening school for two years. Normally they taught and discipline was on the level.
                Why lie? request
                1. bober1982
                  bober1982 15 February 2018 11: 25
                  +1
                  Quote: Stroporez
                  “Big change” is your fake too?

                  Quote: Stroporez
                  Why lie?

                  Of course, this is just a stupid movie, Spring..... still filmed at a time when people were not so depraved and the country was different, why this film and sympathy.
      2. parusnik
        parusnik 15 February 2018 11: 49
        0
        Why is it almost like a comedy ... a serious film ... the actual problems were raised ... and films on a production theme seemed to be tyagomotin, because sometimes they showed us there, but I don’t really like it ...
    2. svalx
      svalx 15 February 2018 11: 10
      +2
      So this approach is not entirely clear to me ... We live in a capitalist society - is there really room for labor exploits? For the sake of whom to commit them - the owner of the production and his family?
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 15 February 2018 12: 33
        +1
        That's just the point ... I don’t remember western films on a production subject ... Unless comedies about office plankton, about Fantotsi ....
        1. Conserp
          Conserp 19 February 2018 00: 23
          0
          A lot of films and series about doctors and paramedics. About heroic firefighters, not to mention the police.

          About school teachers.

          About farmers - heaps, cowboys - they are just them.

          There are oilmen, sailors, fishermen, miners. About auto mechanics are. About taxi drivers. About the astronauts. About astronauts, oilmen, even there.

          About truckers.

          You can enumerate for a long time.
      2. Victor N
        Victor N 15 February 2018 13: 51
        +2
        There is an ACT by the entrepreneur to create and implement effective economic projects useful for society. I'm not sure that this should be called in big words, but the risks are huge, not for the weak. Often there are tragedies in case of failure. In cases of luck, it is also not easy - there are a lot of envious people, often just insignificant people. But thanks to successful entrepreneurs, the economy was developing in all countries. Our difference is that a successful enterprise often (always?) Does not bring fame and high social status, but unbearable pressure of envy and hatred, the desire to take away property, which encourages you to hide income and hide capital. Indeed, the outflow of capital is a reaction to social pressure.
        Labor feats in the former sense are inappropriate today: work smoothly, take care of the family, take care of yourself, relax and enjoy life - it is yours.
        1. a housewife
          a housewife 16 February 2018 02: 32
          +2
          A feat is not necessarily a heroic deed. A feat is sometimes just honestly and conscientiously doing your job without expecting any reward. For example, for many years to monitor the state of the landing strip at an abandoned airfield. To save a plane with people once.
      3. sibiryouk
        sibiryouk 15 February 2018 15: 53
        +1
        Speak for yourself! - I work at the state-owned enterprise of RosKosmos.
  19. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 15 February 2018 09: 02
    +2
    [/ Quote]Very sorry, By the way, the alarm that the public men and just smart citizens have been sounding for more than one year has been supported by the industrialists. [quote]
    Does the novel regret it? Does he even read the text before sending it to the site?
    1. woron333444
      woron333444 15 February 2018 16: 13
      +2
      When he reads, the main thing is to throw more articles.
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 17 February 2018 15: 47
        +1
        Well, yes, the Chukchi is not a reader, the Chukchi is a writer.
  20. cedar
    cedar 15 February 2018 09: 05
    +5
    Quote: zyablik.olga
    On the park I put you +, sorry! request
    Quote: cedar
    Sovereignty. Russia. Putin

    What the hell is "suverinitet" fool when we invest billions in the US financial system - which, if you believe the zomboyaschiku, is the main source of current problems in Russia.


    So what am I talking about? Or did you read standing on your head? Down up? As they read "Sovereignty. Russia. Putin" So you immediately got a little fuss like that bull from a red rag ... I’m returning a plus, maybe you will understand that we are not investing anything. The USA itself takes everything rightfully strong and arrogant. For the gifted I repeat the bunch ...
    Sovereignty. Russia. Putin
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 15 February 2018 10: 16
      +1
      The word "Putin" is superfluous here.
    2. Mestny
      Mestny 15 February 2018 10: 37
      +1
      Yes, do not repeat them to you. Sane people this is understandable, and fighters with the regime, as always, will now start to blow farts on the whole branch.
  21. bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 15 February 2018 09: 12
    +5
    I am convinced that such a culture (pornographic in theaters) is not needed in Russia and the Minister is definitely not suitable for this.
    1. Tatanka Yotanka
      Tatanka Yotanka 15 February 2018 09: 27
      +12
      Do you think the rest of the so-called "elite" is dominated by clapping pornography?
      1. Conserp
        Conserp 19 February 2018 00: 25
        0
        Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
        Is the rest of the so-called "elite" dominated by clapping pornography?

        No need to offend pornography by comparisons to this.
  22. Lev Bronsch
    Lev Bronsch 15 February 2018 09: 53
    +4
    And they rushed to comment on the ideology ... alas ((. Or maybe more specifically? Recall that we have been living under capitalism for 27 years, that the treasury is not bottomless, that min.cultures are generally a strange body (reluctance is simply rude to express themselves)! Take yes and pass a law on termination financing with budget money any performances, films, etc. It’s interesting, will the sponsor give money for staging a ballet with bare asses, and oblige sponsors to disclose the final beneficiaries in posters / programs !! -Geys and old pedophiles, coupled with “oh forgive us ...” and other freaks. So maybe they should go there, to hell? And we’ll finally see the movie Leviathan about American power and reality. Google, by the way, where was the original story, which our "creators" tore off and removed for budgetary money. Maybe, in addition to Legends17 and Upward Movement, will we see films about other then heroes of the Motherland? And after all, cashboxes are obtained, and they bring profit! ok no .. and there will also be a lot of comedy clubs. But just as with sticks in our hands in 1944 we won’t take the storm of DotA, the spectator won’t go, the box-office of the movie is .... finger, and the sponsor of this “creator” will tear the flaps. Capitalism however laughing
    1. Serpent Pliskin
      Serpent Pliskin 15 February 2018 11: 02
      +2
      A very good idea. we’ll reduce government spending, and there’ll be less garbage, at least not at the expense of taxpayers.
  23. Mestny
    Mestny 15 February 2018 10: 16
    +1
    From the article
    The so-called ministry inherited from many speakers. Personally, I liked most (as always, by the way) the performance of Dmitry Puchkov, who is “Goblin”.

    Oh yeah.
    The adherents of the Goblin Witnesses Sect, as befits stubborn fanatics point blank, do not notice that they are periodically carried by their "gurus".
    Puchkov is also a "specialist" in a wide variety of areas of activity. However, this does not prevent him from carrying frank h..rynya with indescribable confidence and arrogant aplomb.
    Well, followers naturally like it all. "As always".
  24. Mestny
    Mestny 15 February 2018 10: 19
    +1
    Quote: Greenwood
    But there is Fedya Bondarchuk.

    He is making a movie.
    Citizens walk and watch his movie well. All the hysteria about him has been swelling for many years by one citizen Puchkov, with comrades.
    These surname Bondarchuk causes verbal cramps.
    Fighters for the film truth ...
    1. sibiryouk
      sibiryouk 15 February 2018 16: 00
      +2
      Give an example of which movie Bondarchuk Jr. has anyone watched twice, and people often go to the movies out of curiosity (not assuming what they see). Only then, everyone who buys a ticket is counted as having voted for this movie!
    2. Greenwood
      Greenwood 15 February 2018 16: 04
      +4
      Quote: Mestny
      He is making a movie.
      Give an example of a good movie that he made.
  25. Ustin Umarov
    Ustin Umarov 15 February 2018 10: 32
    0
    less than 30 years
  26. Mestny
    Mestny 15 February 2018 10: 35
    +3
    Quote: Gardamir
    But all the shortcomings of culture are created by the current government. Either leave everything as is, or try to change.

    And no.
    More precisely, far from completely so.
    Start with yourself and your loved ones. What prevents you from starting to form a culture in place? Power? Nothing like this. In the worst case, she doesn't care.
    Do it well - and honestly, it’s verified that people will reach for you.
    The main word is good.
  27. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 15 February 2018 10: 52
    0
    Roman, is it really only in culture such a mess? It’s strange that something tells me that such a mess is almost everywhere in the country! In the courtyard is the rampant liberal capitalism!
  28. Old warrior
    Old warrior 15 February 2018 10: 54
    +3
    Wow! Make me the Minister of Culture - I will teach all of them, and all of you, the Motherland to Love. negative am repeat
  29. av58
    av58 15 February 2018 10: 55
    +2
    The call for patriotism in the cinema is wonderful, but it's not so simple. Even at the end of Soviet culture, when VCRs appeared, people rushed from Soviet cinema to the forbidden west, and video distributions and vesalons appeared, not to mention the sale of pirated copies with disgusting translation. The goblin, by the way, then also appeared in the voice acting. I hope some have not forgotten this time, not everyone has sclerosis. The reason is simple: a movie is a sight, an attraction. Soviet cinema, with rare exceptions, did not pamper us with this. The policy of denying the "scoop" has also done its job. Finally, movie networks have become private, their interests are determined by the box office.
    As a result, you can spit as much as you want in the direction of Medinsky and Co., but first you need to admit an obvious fact: a generation of viewers has grown up who do not know Russian cinema, and whose tastes are determined by the standards of Hollywood. Do not meet these standards - on the shelf. Another feature of modern cinema is the short-term life of the film. This is true even for groundbreaking movies such as Hardcore. Who remembers him now? None.
    The opinion of business is wonderful, but so far the state TOGETHER with the industrialists does not recognize that the battle for the viewer has been lost, and it is necessary to start, in fact, from scratch, nothing will budge.
    First you need a government order for the production of films. Remember how some films started in the Soviet Union? From the caption: "By order of the USSR State Committee for Cinematography." Either we do this, or we are shy and do not.
    There will be an order with financing, there will be a movie. If not, then all this is empty talk.
    In addition, the film still needs to be brought to the viewer either through the cinema networks, which is problematic, or through the show on channels 1 and 2, even if the show is forced. This is the only way to guarantee the delivery of a new movie to the viewer.
  30. vladikod
    vladikod 15 February 2018 10: 56
    +1
    I agree with the author ... In the words of Kostik from the "Pokrovsky Gate" ... "culture is in great debt to the people" ...
  31. Begemot
    Begemot 15 February 2018 10: 57
    +2
    The problem is that now no one will believe that you can live happily just honestly and hard work. Making films in which miraculously positive and hardworking guys and girls, having gone through all the difficulties, succeeds so that the workers, doctors, and entrepreneurs leaving the cinema do not mutter that they watched a fairy tale for the kindergarten - it is almost impossible. There are no such plots in Russian modern reality, the official-feudal oligarchic system cannot allow them, and the invented fairy tale will immediately catch your eye and will be exposed.
  32. av58
    av58 15 February 2018 11: 00
    +1
    Quote: Lev Bronsch
    To take and to pass a law on the cessation of financing by budget money of any performances, films, and so on. Interestingly, the sponsor will give money for staging a ballet with bare asses?

    This is exactly what happened: the state left culture and ideology, and naked asses appeared, for which there is always a demand. Here, even the 5th column is not needed.
  33. Nikolay73
    Nikolay73 15 February 2018 11: 18
    0
    ... the search for a national idea is exactly what was missed during the formation of primary capital by our foremost capitalist labor. In my opinion, it would be good if none but the industrialists are interested in developing their business and therefore want to create an attractive image for the society of the welder Peter, whom banker Tatyana has long and unrequitedly in love with, no, life doesn’t happen, just who prevents now to pay Peter three or four thousand evergreens in ruble terms? No, it’s impossible, it’s better to talk beautifully about the fact that Peter isn’t sitting on his yacht and modestly keeping quiet about the fact that Peter receives, if not on duty, 10-12 full thousand rubles, and Tatyana, riding a kaen, sees Petrov only in news releases from Uralvagonzavod which is very far from Moscow. Well-fed, gentlemen, he doesn’t understand the hungry, this is the whole problem ... They remembered Morozov - well, Oliferov, they say, nowadays we are busy with serious philanthropic projects, but this is not the norm, but rather an exception to the rule, understanding that we are all in one boat is being destroyed by a huge chasm between the rich and the rest, as well as daily observations ... There is a simple concept - a systemic crisis, and now I’m not about Russia but about the World as a whole, the watch has been ticking for a long time and if Peter doesn’t notice (he’s too busy fighting for existence), then people who have time to think for a long time and clearly hear it.
  34. uskrabut
    uskrabut 15 February 2018 11: 32
    0
    No wonder. It is only a pity that it did not reach the gentlemen of the industrialists that without the COUNTRY behind their backs the foreign countries would gobble them up and would not choke that Russia was still considered strong with them. In addition to art, they would also have to talk about politicians and decide something. And then all sorts of bugs go to apologize to the IOC because the crooks themselves are afraid to say a word against it, otherwise they will be taken away from them, which was brewed in Russia and hidden abroad. So they would raise the question - to drive such people from power to the "national economy". And the situation with our diplomats in the USA is where the disgrace is!
  35. Molot1979
    Molot1979 15 February 2018 11: 35
    +4
    As for me, the main problem is that we do not have creators. Mastering budgets in the rank of director is, but there are no creators. After all, we will be fair. Let about gangsters, buggers and prostitutes. But if you shoot it qualitatively, then it would go with a bang at the box office. And it fails over and over again. So they just don’t know how. But they don’t want to study, and it's too late. Some mediocrity around. And if you take the usual mediocre freak, give him a stopitzot of billions of money and a patriotic theme, then he will remove all the same solid feces. Here is the same Viking. What, it was difficult to make from the history of Prince Vadimir box office interesting film? In my humble opinion, such a topic is generally difficult to spoil. And on the way out they got the first shit. Because they filmed mediocrity. And all the work, all the money went nowhere. It's just that party that has now stuck around the Ministry of Culture - they are all untalented hacks. They need to be driven out of there, to bring new, young ones closer. Otherwise there will be no sense. Well, which of them will be able to fulfill the state order for the introduction of ideology? Yes, no one. That tomorrow they will develop an ideology, they will go to introduce, and by whom to introduce? It is empty in the Ministry of Culture, as in the winter tundra. Some foxes (in every sense) are worn. Will Zvyagintsev shoot about the defense of Stalingrad? Or Ernst will make a movie about the construction of BAM? Kozlovsky will play Gagarin or the Queen? Not even funny.
  36. Valery Ivanov_2
    Valery Ivanov_2 15 February 2018 11: 55
    0
    I LIKE IT.....
  37. Opera
    Opera 15 February 2018 12: 19
    +2
    Russia in its historical significance, including Russian culture, can be revived only on the basis of Orthodoxy and the recognition by the Russian people of their Russianness!
    1. Conserp
      Conserp 19 February 2018 00: 30
      0
      Orthodoxy - I am not a foreigner, foreigners. Only paganism, only hardcore!
  38. ibirus
    ibirus 15 February 2018 13: 45
    +4
    The prestige of working professions must be re-created. Films are good, but the main, in my humble opinion, incentive is a decent SALARY when you work, and don’t think about how to make ends meet for a paycheck. So the main incentive is MONEY. We live in a capitalist system - which means we need to stimulate capitalistically.
  39. Vsevolod
    Vsevolod 15 February 2018 14: 00
    +4
    Well, Minister of Culture Goblin is no worse than President Grudinin. Let’s immediately - Minister of Culture Skomorokhov. To the bottom, so to the bottom. Give Maidan!
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 15 February 2018 16: 16
      0
      Quote: Vsevolod
      Goblin Culture Minister
      Definitely worse than the balabol Medinsky.
      Quote: Vsevolod
      President Grudinin
      No worse than the populist Putin’s PR.
      Quote: Vsevolod
      Give Maidan!
      Hand face.
    2. shoemaker
      shoemaker 15 February 2018 19: 25
      +1
      Quote: Vsevolod
      Well, Minister of Culture Goblin is no worse than President Grudinin. Let’s immediately - Minister of Culture Skomorokhov. To the bottom, so to the bottom. Give Maidan!

      Unfortunately, I was already in Moscow in 1991. And many supported him, hoping for a change for the better. Those people who came to power and began to live better do not want more changes. They want reconciliation and harmony with those people whose life has not become better. A state order for a national idea appeared, one after another films of domestic astronauts, hockey players, basketball players, figure skaters, and football players appeared.
      The image of a common enemy appeared, which imposed sanctions on Russia and compiled a “Kremlin list”. But none of the country's leadership has the courage to admit that they have led Russia since 1991 on the wrong path. China has chosen its own path, and Russia has chosen its own. Therefore, now there is no need to ask "with whom are you, masters of culture?" Today, the issue of restoring the destroyed infrastructure of Syria is more relevant. The news told that only the reconstruction of one railway line needs about $ 2 billion. In the future, the DPR and LPR will be recognized by Russia as the Crimea, then it will be necessary to restore the Donbass tormented by war (after all, Surkov and Lavrov are not eternal with their “Minsk armistice.” Perhaps in the process of carrying out these important tasks, a national idea and new heroes of our time will appear .
      1. Old warrior
        Old warrior 16 February 2018 18: 09
        +2
        Yes, not a herah not many, a bunch of drunks of intellectual loafers and romantic fooled youth - the majority who were against it worked hard at their jobs. Eh, if I knew how it would all end, all this fucking gopot at the White House, I would pen restock with my own hands.
  40. surovts.valery
    surovts.valery 15 February 2018 14: 09
    +2
    Quote: Varyag_0711
    P.S. I haven’t mentioned this yet about Kostik Raikin, Misha Efremov, Reichelgauz and others “brought together” the current “culture” ... It’s sad, but when there was a time when I respected some of them.

    And I’ll mention, about A. Kalyagin, on his 75th birthday he got an interview with MK. The interviewer there is the notorious A. Melman (shaking hands and non-living). When asked about Kalyagin’s merits listed by Melman, for some reason he immediately began to make excuses for his participation as Putin’s proxy in the last election. Like, "I respect him," which sounded like "I'm afraid of him." And then he argued for most of the interviews that I’m like “liberal” with you, I’m your “bourgeois” !, they say his mother is Jewish, that after the war she showed him great lists (I wonder who gave them to them) of Muscovites-Jews repressions, expulsion, they miraculously survived, etc.
    I mean, there is no one to respect there, with rare exceptions (which confirms the rule). And recently, in a TV picture, at a meeting of Putin with proxies, I watched A. Kalyagin sitting in the forefront.
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 15 February 2018 14: 23
      +2
      Quote: surovts.valery
      It's me that there is no one to respect there

      It has always been so, under any authority. Of course, these figures can squeeze a tear from gullible citizens in their masterpieces - here they are masters, otherwise they are ordinary grabbers, opportunists, as a rule of immoral behavior.
      Stalin at one time complained about cultural figures, drink and indecent behavior, he said irritably ......... where I will find others for you, work with those who are.
  41. Prutkov
    Prutkov 15 February 2018 14: 31
    0
    Hollywood defeated the Soviet Union. A person is always looking for a role model. Since the mid-80s, we found our role model in underground video salons, where Rambo from Stallone and the heroes of Schwarzenegger always defeated the bad guys, where everyone had nine lives and at the end of the film lived in a beautiful house on the ocean. Those who were richer found their samples among the Godfather and German porn. And at this time, Soviet film studios competed in showing all shades of black in Soviet life. And the choice of a sample of the country was not long in coming in the 91st year. We need high-quality films with people worthy to follow. No genius works needed. Any film will find its viewer, whether it be "9 companies", "Stalingrad", "28 Panfilov", etc. Life gives us such people. Need movies. Well, and if there are works about p.edikov, then potential pid ... will watch them.
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 15 February 2018 16: 19
      0
      Quote: Rods
      "9 company"
      Better "Storm Gate" Bortko look.
      Quote: Rods
      "Stalingrad"
      There is Stalingrad Ozerova.
      Quote: Rods
      Well, and if there are works about p.edikov, then potential pid ... will watch them.
      Well, there is the film "Brokeback Mountain" with D. Gyllenhaal and H. Ledger, he received 3 Oscars. Filmed far not bad.
  42. Dyagilev
    Dyagilev 15 February 2018 14: 40
    +4
    I will say about the current films. I rarely watch them very much, but ... Of the last, "great" ones, "upward movement." Previously, actors played, and now the Roman gods, each from its own pillar. At what one in one as by reference facial expressions, intonation, gestures, scenes.
    Everything accumulated over 70 years was destroyed, copied from Hollywood. Like the Chinese electronics. There may be a cash desk (mainly due to advertising), but there is no art and a soul. One upset is that all modern "art" is one-time.
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 15 February 2018 16: 24
      +1
      By the way, about the "Red Heat". In my opinion, the film, although from the cranberry side, is set up quite well (by the way, as far as I know, this is the first Hollywood film that was allowed to be shot in real Moscow, and not in the scenery). And Schwarzenneger in his manner, but overall, effectively revealed the image of a powerful Soviet policeman, incorruptible, uncompromising and capable of any feats. Against this background, the American "colleague" (performed by Belushi) is simply miserable.
  43. a housewife
    a housewife 15 February 2018 15: 31
    +2
    Boris55,
    Boris55,
    Who argues with this. Well, in modern films about the same. Primarily.
  44. Old military officer
    Old military officer 15 February 2018 16: 35
    +2
    Thank you for the article, but it’s sad and even sad that they just started talking about it at a relatively high level. Culture as such is being squeezed out with all its might by American crafts and it is in the ministries of culture and education that people who carry out this rot are found. Sadly, very. True at the family level, if it is real, there is resistance to the corrupting influence of Western culture. In the province, in spite of everything, music, art, and sports schools work. How many gifted guys we have! What a potential! And it’s criminal to leave all this without proper attention. Children at their own expense go to competitions and contests. What a disgrace! And at this time, sickly sums are allocated to all Serebryannikovs and the like. From culture, education, and health care it is necessary to remove trading. An alternative is a herd of popcorn, peanuts and cola. The ideal for which Mr. Fursenko fought. And one more thing, to protect the family from juvenile justice.
  45. noodles
    noodles 15 February 2018 16: 55
    +2
    The author, of course, is smart-saying A left, hesitated to say B! Readers spoke for him, and as a result, we have "ideological diversity" in our country - there is complete Chaos and freedom in cultural creativity! Moreover, the sowers of the eternal and beautiful, as a rule, have a world-Americanized look that causes rejection of most people! Turn on the TV and you will get all the charms and samples of AESTHETIC CULTURE — praise of crime — scuffle — undressing your personality to underpants — superbly staged current shows where BAL are running various Russophobes smearing shit with you and it’s disgusting to continue our country! Well, where is our TRANSFER INTELLIGENCE? Well, if the head of the Russian Orthodox Church
    everyone respected KIRILL asks society to think about where we came to MORAL- and CULTURE of human communication, then comments are unnecessary! One gets the impression-AND BACK TO GO BACK-NOT-all cheated-AND THIS CULTURE IS NO MIND
  46. igorra
    igorra 15 February 2018 17: 51
    +2
    Medinsky clears the Augean stables of "culture" inherited from him. Take a look at past ministers. And one more thing, Medinsky does not print money and he does not have strong guys in uniform. Putin can’t deal with bureaucrats to the end, and do you think Medinsky is easier with our liberal lobby in culture?
  47. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 15 February 2018 18: 11
    -1
    I would like to see such a person as Puchkov in the chair where Medinsky is now high

    Who will plant him? They are all Putin’s monuments - faithful and intelligently-efficient managers of all time.
    Come forward!
  48. Sotskiy
    Sotskiy 15 February 2018 18: 16
    +2
    The industrialists realized that, as I said, in "eleven" years no one would go to the machine or to the control panel of the combine.

    Late stole, "mammoths" have already died out!
    The continuity of vocational education is defeated along with industries. Those who knew something - on a deep retirement, or even far. There was already a topic about mentors.
    An example from life.
    At one of the plants left after the USSR, not far from me, grandfather of 85 years of age, who had worked there all his life, was invited to responsible grinding of parts. Specially for him, a car comes back and forth. Itself does not move well, and there is no one to replace it with. Grandfather and Khan will die production. And the transfer of experience does not guarantee the availability of a good specialist. As can be seen from our "industrialists" who exploited the Soviet heritage to the grave plate of this very heritage. And now OH! And where are the experts now to take? Take it in the USA! You pray for them! There are plenty of blacks there! (Further obscene obscenities and wishes in a "long and fun" life)!
  49. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 15 February 2018 18: 23
    -1
    Quote: bratchanin3
    I am convinced that Russia does not need such a culture (pornographic in theaters)

    but I am convinced that pornography is the highest ideological meaning of today's Russia ... What are you? Do you want to destroy Russia? Abandon our bonds? Yes, you certainly are Agent Poroshenko. Hands off our "vsego"!
  50. gerkost2012
    gerkost2012 15 February 2018 19: 08
    +1
    Films about the working class and the creative intelligentsia are good. But, if a working person does not receive a decent salary, but is interrupted by something like a mediocre one of 20 thousand rubles, then no films can help. Where they understood this, there are no problems with personnel. That's what gentlemen industrialists and merchants would think about.