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Minsk is waiting for the start of deliveries of Russian Su-30CM in 2019 year

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Belarus hopes that the Russian Federation will begin deliveries of the Su-30CM to the republic in 2019, Defense Minister Andrei Rawkov said in Minsk on Wednesday.


So far the Russian Federation is not in a position to deliver these aircraft to us, because there are certain difficulties in the supply of spare parts under the embargo. There is a localization of a purely Russian machine, and by the year of 2019 they promised that this would be a purely Russian machine, and we can proceed to the performing part of this contract without any problems.
- said the head of the Ministry of Defense.

Minsk is waiting for the start of deliveries of Russian Su-30CM in 2019 year


We have determined delivery schedules, we will buy four cars a year
- noted the Minister.

The purchase of Su-30 aircraft will increase the ability to cover troops and objects from air attacks, as well as significantly upgrade the fleet aviation equipment
- added the head of the Ministry of Defense of Belarus.

Last year, the Ministry of Defense of Belarus signed a contract with the Irkut Research and Production Corporation for the supply of X-NUMX Su-Z12CM aircraft from 0 to 2018 year. It was planned that every year Belarus will receive four aircraft. Later, the Ministry of Defense of the Republic stated that the implementation of the contract could be transferred to 2020-2019 years due to technical changes in the configuration of aircraft, reports TASS
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  1. Sergeant71
    Sergeant71 14 February 2018 16: 19
    +18
    And they will “buy” on our interest-free loans, which they will once again write off. We will help the country producing shrimp and apples with pears from Poland!
    1. Black_Vatnik
      Black_Vatnik 14 February 2018 16: 21
      +3
      Minsk is waiting for the start of deliveries of Russian Su-30CM in 2019 year


      Otherwise, the Old Man will again arrange offenses! However, as usual.
      1. Chertt
        Chertt 14 February 2018 16: 26
        +3
        Quote: Black_Jacket
        Otherwise, the Old Man will again arrange offenses!

        Old Man, in any case, will take offense, he has such a job. But the Belarusian Air Force will receive modern equipment. And maybe finally they will take part in the missions of the Russian VKS in hot spots
        1. woron333444
          woron333444 14 February 2018 16: 49
          +6
          Maybe they will get the equipment, but there will be no help. Allies, damn it
          1. Warrior with machine gun
            Warrior with machine gun 14 February 2018 17: 16
            +3
            then barter can stir up on "Polonaise")))
        2. kapitan92
          kapitan92 14 February 2018 22: 01
          +3
          Quote: Chertt
          But the Belarusian Air Force will receive modern equipment. And maybe finally they will take part in the missions of the Russian VKS in hot spots

          Blessed is he who believes! hi
      2. Crowe
        Crowe 14 February 2018 16: 28
        +10
        But what are our Slav brothers going to pay? Potato Or forgiving debt?
        1. Black_Vatnik
          Black_Vatnik 14 February 2018 16: 34
          +14
          I agree not to be paid. I agree with every thousand to give the ruble so that Belarus has a strong army. I do not agree that Lukash is being traded as an institute for his friendship.
          1. Berber
            Berber 14 February 2018 16: 37
            +6
            About the institute to the point. Our main ally is not respectable.
            1. DIVAN SOLDIER
              DIVAN SOLDIER 14 February 2018 16: 43
              +9
              But now we have a "friend Erdogan", this "just will not fail and will not betray"))
          2. Crowe
            Crowe 14 February 2018 16: 46
            +2
            Quote: Black_Jacket
            I agree with every thousand to give the ruble so that Belarus has a strong army

            Average earnings in Russia (according to VTsIOM) -35000 rubles. 35 × 120000000 (removed children) = 4200000000 - not bad, but plundered.
          3. Winnie76
            Winnie76 14 February 2018 20: 10
            +1
            Quote: Black_Jacket
            I agree with every thousand to give the ruble so that Belarus has a strong army

            Cool, as much as 0,1 percent. Hold, Lukashenko, 10 rubles and do not deny yourself anything. Buy aircraft carriers there, planes, tanks, and Pololezov for change, so as not to run twice.
            1. Black_Vatnik
              Black_Vatnik 14 February 2018 20: 32
              0
              What pungency, however! Do not cut yourself about them.
        2. figwam
          figwam 14 February 2018 16: 55
          +5
          Quote: Crowe
          But what are our Slav brothers going to pay? Potato Or forgiving debt?

          Shrimps, lobsters, crabs and other marine delicacies.
    2. Victor jnnjdfy
      Victor jnnjdfy 14 February 2018 16: 51
      +3
      Interest-bearing loans. But to serve ext. Belarus debt needs new loans. They have no money. While the deadlines have shifted to the right by a year, in a year they’ll come up with something else. Let Russia itself spend money on airplanes in order to protect itself and Belarus. Freebie...
    3. vlad66
      vlad66 14 February 2018 17: 27
      +10
      The purchase of Su-30 aircraft will increase the ability to cover troops and objects from air attacks,

      Well, yes, yes, yes, and as they asked to provide a videoconferencing base near Baranavichy, he immediately screwed into the bushes. request
    4. sviazist
      sviazist 14 February 2018 20: 19
      +3
      And what and when loans were written off. Airplanes for the money. What do not like.
  2. Some kind of compote
    Some kind of compote 14 February 2018 16: 21
    +15
    interesting information
  3. Sars
    Sars 14 February 2018 16: 24
    +5
    On the example of Kazakhstan (they were given them free of charge, that is, the gift of S-300, Su-30), which today lay under the United States, there is no need to put weapons at all along the border perimeter. They want protection, to put our bases.
    1. just exp
      just exp 14 February 2018 16: 32
      +2
      and with a fright gave Kazakhstan a gift?
      it seems like there was money. (true as far as true xs)
      1. Bongo
        Bongo 15 February 2018 05: 11
        +3
        Quote: just explo
        and with a fright gave Kazakhstan a gift?

        C-300PS taken in BCC RF with a database transferred free of charge. True, the missile defense system for them is not large, since 5В55Р / 5В55РМ are not produced from the end of 90-x. Even in Kazakhstan, they were indignant that it was necessary to carry out reconditioning for the donated missiles. However, this is a "gift", so-so. More than 10 years, C-300PS will not serve anyway.
        1. Kasym
          Kasym 16 February 2018 23: 15
          +2
          Hello, hello! From the history of the issue.
          In 1993 (94 - I don’t remember exactly), the KZ donated to Russia all nuclear weapons with carriers (about 1000 warheads). In exchange, by agreement, they asked to strengthen the Air Force and Air Defense. For example, they received the MiG-31, which later became the main link in our air defense. But there were no deliveries of air defense systems to Kazakhstan until recently. And they didn’t feel any special threats until they started straining with the west (from Georgia) - NATO bases in Afghanistan have since been regarded as a threat. The Ukrainian crisis and the events in BV only reinforced this suspicion. Therefore, plans to create a unified air defense have become a priority in the region. Kazakhstan, on the other hand, begins to purchase shells and tori - on your TV (Russia24) they showed our cadets studying for these air defense systems.
          Our Granite claims that the S-300 will last another 15-20 years. hi
          1. Bongo
            Bongo 17 February 2018 03: 23
            +1
            Quote: Kasym
            In 1993 (94 - I don’t remember exactly), the KZ donated to Russia all nuclear weapons with carriers (about 1000 warheads).

            Hello!
            Well, Russia was the successor of the USSR, right?
            Quote: Kasym
            But there were no deliveries of air defense systems to Kazakhstan until recently.

            In Kazakhstan, and so there are more than enough weapons left.
            Quote: Kasym
            Al Granit claims that C-300 will last another 15-20 years.

            Well, it’s possible to say anything. I saw S-300PS which from Prince Volkonka near Khabarovsk were sent to Kazakhstan. This ZRS is already more than 30 years old, add another 20. And where will they take missiles for them? In Russia, this modification has not been done for a long time. hi
            1. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 17 February 2018 03: 54
              +3
              Quote: Bongo
              Well, you can say anything.

              Serge drinks You are not tired of butting with candid fool To me already am And even a fucking minus can’t be stuck request
              1. Bongo
                Bongo 17 February 2018 03: 58
                +3
                Quote: Ruslan67
                Serge drinks You are not tired of butting with frank fool

                Hello Ruslan! Well, not all are frank ... request Here, Kasym is quite sane ... yes
                Quote: Ruslan67
                I already am And even a fucking minus can’t stick in request

                Yes, I am having fun on the phone, I hope today's call will be calm.
                1. Ruslan67
                  Ruslan67 17 February 2018 04: 09
                  +3
                  Quote: Bongo
                  Yes, I'm having fun on the phone

                  That is, the orders of the MO in the middle of the sleeve? wassat Well, quiet duty drinks
                  1. Bongo
                    Bongo 17 February 2018 04: 12
                    +3
                    Quote: Ruslan67
                    That is, the orders of the MO in the middle of the sleeve?

                    So I observe PDITR requirements ... lol And those who give such orders, let them watch themselves! At least I don’t go to regime premises with a telephone.
                    Quote: Ruslan67
                    Well quiet duty drinks

                    Thank you And you be healthy! drinks
                    1. Ruslan67
                      Ruslan67 17 February 2018 04: 15
                      +3
                      Quote: Bongo
                      And you be healthy!

                      By the way what Happy New Year drinks Today we celebrated family good You have it closer
                      1. Bongo
                        Bongo 17 February 2018 04: 20
                        +3
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        By the way what Happy Chinese New Year drinks Today we famously celebrated good with you. It’s closer

                        Thank you! smile I forgot, tonight there will be a reason to roll the viskar! fellow
              2. Kasym
                Kasym 17 February 2018 11: 32
                +1
                Ruslan67, knock on your head - you act like a teenager of great age !!! Read: "How Kazakhstan is repairing C-300."
                1. Bongo
                  Bongo 17 February 2018 11: 42
                  +3
                  Quote: Kasym
                  Ruslan67, knock on your head - you act like a teenager of great age !!! Read: "How Kazakhstan is repairing C-300."

                  Come on, Kasym, do not swear. Ruslan didn’t mean you! hi
                  1. Kasym
                    Kasym 17 February 2018 11: 49
                    +2
                    No, Sergey, no anger. I just can’t give an example for the Russian Federation to do something for free.
                    “I am ready to sign any proposals of KZ without reading them, because Kazakhstan did not offer anything bad. There have always been mutually beneficial offers” - GDP. hi
                    1. Ruslan67
                      Ruslan67 17 February 2018 19: 53
                      +2
                      Quote: Kasym
                      Ruslan didn’t mean you

                      Absolutely! I just didn’t communicate with Sergey for more than six months and asked a question in general terms hi
        2. Siban
          Siban 17 February 2018 07: 25
          +1
          Quote: Bongo
          donated.
          That’s interesting if the Russian Federation was transferred to Kazakhstan, so emphasize free of charge. And if also Kazakhstan, recourse then ..:
          Quote: Bongo
          Well, Russia was the successor of the USSR, right?
          request
          Quote: Bongo
          They were also indignant in Kazakhstan
          Outraged by the condescending - lordly form of presentation - de donated. Passed "trash" and noise .. laughing
          But they could have been safely purchased from the same China, like Ozbekiston, and Turkmenistan ..
          1. Bongo
            Bongo 17 February 2018 09: 56
            +3
            Have you decided to arrange a srach? negative
            Quote: Siban
            Well, it’s interesting if the Russian Federation was transferred to Kazakhstan, this is emphasized for free.

            Forgive me before writing this, take an interest in the history and treaties relating to nuclear weapons.
            Quote: Siban
            They are outraged by the condescending - lordly form of submission - de handed over free of charge.

            Exactly free of charge, over 25 years after Kazakhstan became independent by the state.
            Quote: Siban
            But they could have been safely purchased from the same China, like Ozbekiston, and Turkmenistan ..

            And who is against? Let them buy ... only the Chinese "free of charge"even" trash "is not transmitted.request
            1. Kasym
              Kasym 17 February 2018 11: 27
              +2
              Sergey, we were offered it (yao) ... to sell. Watch the movie: “So the stars formed” (by the way it said that we were offered money that would last for several decades, based on the budget of the KZ at that time). Those. everything was before we signed any documents regarding nuclear weapons - and we ourselves eventually initiated their drafting and signing. There was nothing good in this if they sold to someone, and then they bought those HQ-9 or used for other purposes. Objections to the legal successor of the USSR are not accepted in this case - it is a question of the country's security - the treaty on non-proliferation was signed by the KZ only in 1993. At the end of the 90's, when KZ got money, we asked to sell C-300, but EBN did not give such an opportunity.
              I wonder why it is impossible to upgrade the C-300PS for other missiles? As I understood from the interview with Director Granit, there are some kind of vacuum lamps that have a low shelf life. hi
              1. Bongo
                Bongo 17 February 2018 12: 00
                +3
                Quote: Kasym
                Sergey, we were offered it (yao) ... to sell. Watch the movie: “So the stars formed” (by the way it said that we were offered money that would last for several decades, based on the budget of the KZ at that time). Those. everything was before we signed any documents regarding nuclear weapons - and we ourselves eventually initiated their drafting and signing. There was nothing good in this if they sold to someone, and then they bought those HQ-9 or used for other purposes. Objections to the legal successor of the USSR are not accepted in this case - it is a question of the country's security - the treaty on non-proliferation was signed by the KZ only in 1993. At the end of the 90's, when KZ got money, we asked to sell C-300, but EBN did not give such an opportunity.

                I will not argue about this, what was past is overgrown. And why does your country need nuclear weapons?
                Quote: Kasym
                I wonder why it is impossible to upgrade the C-300PS for other missiles? As I understood from the interview with Director Granit, there are some kind of vacuum lamps that have a low shelf life.

                It's not just an outdated element base. Missile fuel, and all kinds of squibs and other "small things" has limitations on the shelf life. For rockets, this is about 10 years. However, this does not mean that expired missiles will not work. But the probability of failure increases greatly. You must have seen how the unreleased 5B55R missiles fall on launchers. Much worse when the engine starts to work after a rocket crashes.

                There is simply no point in radically upgrading the C-300PS; it is easier to build a new air defense system.
                1. Kasym
                  Kasym 17 February 2018 12: 29
                  +2
                  Exactly, for us this would be a clamp. And to sell such weapons to marginal countries at that time - God forbid.
                  In my opinion, there is a "factor of China." We (the Russian Federation and the Republic of Kazakhstan) simply do not want to scare Beijing and our southern neighbors with the militarization of KZ. I remember that when they entered service with the MiG-31 in Kazakhstan, they asked them to keep them away from their border. And they insistently asked to fly towards the Caspian - now they fly from under Karaganda only to the west.
                  We have no doubt here that the S-5 will go into service in 400 years - the PRC bought it, and now we can. Although such a line is going there. As I understand it, last year went into a series of long-range missiles for this air defense system. Honestly, our authorities do not like to advertise the purchase of weapons - more often from your sources we find out that ours are "muddied" with new supplies. Until I saw through the box (Russia24) our cadets studying for the Shell, I had no idea that ours would buy it. According to Torah, there was infarmation from the Kadeks exhibition, where the National Academy of Sciences carefully studied it - this is a sure sign that the authorities are interested in it. There, "intently interrogated Migovtsev" on the MiG-35. hi
                  1. Bongo
                    Bongo 17 February 2018 12: 42
                    +3
                    Quote: Kasym
                    In my opinion, there is a "factor of China." We (the Russian Federation and the Republic of Kazakhstan) simply do not want to scare Beijing and our southern neighbors with the militarization of KZ. I remember that when they entered service with the MiG-31 in Kazakhstan, they asked them to keep them away from their border. And they insistently asked to fly towards the Caspian - now they fly from under Karaganda only to the west.

                    Sorry, Kasym, but your country is unlikely to pose any military threat to the PRC. As for the MiG-31, there are few of them and they will also leave in the next 10 years.
                    Quote: Kasym
                    We have no doubt here that for years with the 5, the C-400 will go into service - the PRC has bought, and now we can. Although such a line is going there.

                    If Kazakhstan would have had money for this, then supplies would have already been carried out long ago.
                    Quote: Kasym
                    As I understand it, last year went into a series of long-range missiles for this air defense system.

                    This is not true.
                    1. Kasym
                      Kasym 17 February 2018 16: 53
                      +1
                      Here it is necessary to clarify. It was in the 90s. When the Collective Security Treaty Organization was formed, but there were not yet those agreements with the PRC. It was later agreed on 100km. exclusion zone at the borders, both on yours with China, and on our border with them. NAS then met with the Chinese no less than with EBN.
                      The Chinese on our border with them are not fully manned units - not even fully mechanized. Therefore, they considered the appearance of the MiG-31, as not entirely friendly steps. After all, they did not consider how many of our (KZ) capabilities, but the power of the entire CSTO.
                      Over the course of 10 years, the MiG-31 will definitely not go anywhere - a huge resource (titanium-steel construction), in the Russian Federation about 1000 engines for this type of aircraft remained in the warehouses of storage. Until recently, we repaired 3 units. MiG-31 per year with you. But now you have begun to intensively repair-upgrade to your MiG-31BM level. Last year, they signed a memorandum with MiG on the creation in the KZ of special. service center for the machines of this design bureau.
                      So the fact of the matter is that work on the S-400 has not yet been completed. Last year, they wrote for passing tests of long-range missiles for this SAM - therefore suggested that they went into a series. Therefore, Astana does not purchase this air defense system. There is also talk of acquiring the S-350 - but the air defense system is not yet ready. There are no problems with finances in this matter. The same story applies to the MiG-35 - we need this machine, judging by the MiG-29, which by the end of this decade will be written off with us (although they say that this year). Last year, the MiG-27, summer-autumn, ceased operation in our Air Force. This year they will begin to repair and upgrade all of our Su-25s in Belarus. We are currently purchasing Su-30SM, Mi-35 - and you have nothing more interesting for us. Transport workers are forced to purchase S-295 from the EU, as you have nothing in the series. Former Minister of Defense Tasmagambetov (now your ambassador) wanted to take IL-76, but they are also not in the series. So what are we waiting for.
                      I want to happen again. At the end of the beginning of the century, we wanted to BUY S-300 from you. But as "informed sources" told me - the Russian Federation cannot implement this right now (this was about 18 years ago).
                      In fact, a program has been adopted to rearm our army. Until recently, it was only for repair and we did not buy anything new. Since 2015, purchases of new products have begun. hi
            2. Siban
              Siban 17 February 2018 13: 53
              0
              Quote: Bongo
              Have you decided to arrange a srach?
              This is called "from sore to healthy"lol?! Ok Meehan there, or Nexus, but Bongo recourse always considered adequate .. But no, and he "cork helmet" shakes his head .. fool No wonder Military Review was banned in Kazakhstan .. Although in the same Ukraine ... repeat
              Quote: Bongo
              And why does your country need nuclear weapons?
              I'm afraid to ask the sir, why do nuclear weapons in your country? And also the USA, VKB, France .. Why beggar North Korea. Kazakhstan, at least from "KrymNash", "polite green men" .. Abishevich, I think after the Crimea and Donbass I regret that I gave it in vain. But the Arabs were courting him, de "the first Muslim country with a nuclear bomb" ..
              Quote: Bongo
              only the Chinese do not "donate" even "junk"
              Of course, "trash" is not transmitted, here you are absolutely right hi - but a completely new technique ..
              China will have Kazakhstan royalty free 16 million yuan of military assistance. Provision agreement gratuitous The Chinese side signed military assistance to the Armed Forces of the Republic of Kazakhstan during the meeting of the Minister of Defense of the Republic of Kazakhstan, Mukhtar Altynbaev, with the head of the defense department of the PRC Cao Ganchuan, KZ-today reports with reference to the press service of the Ministry of Defense of the republic.
              wink
              Today, on October 12, in the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Kazakhstan, a meeting was held between the head of the department Imangali Tasmagambetov and the Minister of Defense of the People's Republic of China, Colonel-General Chan Wanquan, reports NUR.KZ with reference to the press service of the department. Based on the agreement signed between the parties, China gratuitous will provide technical assistance to the Armed Forces of the Republic of Kazakhstan.
              Truck tractors and loading platform entered service with the Kazakh army. This type of truck tractor provides mobile transportation of heavy tracked military equipment over long distances. According to the press service of the military department of the Republic of Kazakhstan, the received batch of military equipment is capable of transporting weapons and military equipment with carrying capacities of 60 and 40 tons, as well as loading and unloading it by rail in the field.
              1. Bongo
                Bongo 17 February 2018 14: 04
                +1
                Quote: Siban
                This is called "sore to healthy" lol ?! Ok Meehan there, or the Nexus, but the Bongo recourse has always been considered adequate.

                Well, thanks, maybe we did not understand each other. Although it is not worth comparing the Nexus with Meehan. Andrey is capable of quite sound thoughts.
                Quote: Siban
                I'm afraid to ask, why is nuclear weapons in your country?

                Please do not escalate, but take an interest in why and how your country refused nuclear weapons. However, Kazakhstan is quite capable of creating it now. Why do you think this is not happening?
                Quote: Siban
                Of course they don’t pass the "trash", here you are absolutely right hi - but a completely new technique ..

                Sorry, but with all due respect, comparing a tractor with an air defense system is somehow strange ... request You could release tractors yourself. Frankly, "high technology" is not there.
                I fully admit that Chinese anti-aircraft systems or fighters may appear in Kazakhstan. But when and under what conditions this will happen, I do not presume to predict. Or rather, I could, but I won’t. Yesterday, I was reproached by one “stupid person” that I was getting a salary in shekels. hi
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          2. Kasym
            Kasym 17 February 2018 11: 44
            +3
            Countryman, sometimes this arrogance also cuts me down.
            I do not remember the case in relation to KZ, so that the Russian Federation did something for nothing to us.
            "Our army is a guard of honor company for meeting guests and the Horde" - the first defense minister of the KZ. I can’t even imagine how many grandmas were offered for these warheads. But they could supply and form an army. hi
            1. Zogak
              Zogak 17 February 2018 19: 57
              0
              And it was necessary to sell. In the 90s, everyone did not care. But money would be cut down
    2. Chertt
      Chertt 14 February 2018 16: 34
      +10
      I am amazed at the professionalism and awareness of the participants in the VO. Everyone knows. And that Kazakhstan went under the staff, and that Russia supplied military equipment for free, and that Russia's military bases are needed everywhere. CIA, Mossad, and Mi-6 resting
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 14 February 2018 17: 05
        +9
        Of course we buy - 8 units have already been transferred - 2 units. at least this year + 4 Mi-35. According to the agreements you sell to the CSTO countries at domestic prices. KZ is the only one of the CSTO that has the ability to buy, and not take on credit. The general contract for the Su-30SM 36 aircraft, with a total value of around 2 billion.
        "How Kazakhstan is repairing the S-300" - this article was in our media, you can find it in a search engine. On the basis of Almaty "Granite" in conjunction with Almaz-Antey created a special. repair center for these air defense systems. This year, one division of the Moscow Region will be handed over in the spring - preparatory work is underway. Almaz-Antey began the transfer of technical documentation. Granite has 4 units, one of which is jointly with the French. Thales (radar, communications, etc.). Granite has an order for 48 three-coordinate radars for the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Kazakhstan. Granite repaired all of our air defense systems, among which there was one S-300 battalion since Soviet times. hi
  4. assa67
    assa67 14 February 2018 16: 25
    +5
    Quote: Sergeant71
    And they will “buy” on our interest-free loans, which once again will be written off

    we are the Union State, that is, we practically deliver to ourselves ... but we also have someone to do with mucks with pshekami ...
    1. Crowe
      Crowe 14 February 2018 16: 34
      +12
      Quote: assa67
      we are the Union State, i.e. practically deliver to ourselves ...

      Something this union state each time raises a fee for the transit of oil. One-way union is obtained.
      1. assa67
        assa67 14 February 2018 16: 39
        +7
        Old Man enjoys a privileged position, what can you do ... but it doesn’t crap like our Balkan "friends"
        1. Crowe
          Crowe 14 February 2018 16: 50
          +6
          Quote: assa67
          but it’s not bad

          Only under the guise of sanctioned goods from the European Union through Belarus is transporting, import substitution is harmful.
          1. Don
            Don 14 February 2018 19: 30
            +4
            Quote: Crowe
            Only under the guise of sanctioned goods from the European Union through Belarus is transporting, import substitution is harmful.

            And what would you, dear in the store, buy if you didn’t import sanctions through Belarus legally? You can’t tell tales about import substitution; for politicians, our politicians are whistling, naive, beautiful words, and business zero. We buy the same products, only the price is higher due to the fact that an intermediary appeared in the person of Belarus. It’s just that you take for truth everything that our balabol in power say about all sorts of innovations, nanotechnologies, modernizations and import substitutions laughing
      2. sviazist
        sviazist 14 February 2018 20: 23
        +1
        Crow Today, 16:34 ↑
        Quote: assa67
        we are the Union State, i.e. practically deliver to ourselves ...
        Something this union state each time raises a fee for the transit of oil. One-way union is obtained.

        Facts in the studio. The pipe is Russian. Has long been. T.O. you are either a bot or yap.
        1. Eragon
          Eragon 15 February 2018 12: 37
          +1
          Quote: sviazist
          Facts in the studio. The pipe is Russian. Has long been.

          The pipe is Russian, and the land through which (or in which) it passes is Belarusian. Land rent, environmental tax, something else ...
    2. Sergeant71
      Sergeant71 14 February 2018 16: 55
      +10
      Ah allied .... This is immediately noticeable. By sending us on, when were they asked to sell the air base and plant? By shamelessly re-exporting sanctions products, which causes direct damage to our economy .... By constant blackmail and begging "give us everything at domestic Russian prices." Although a legitimate question arises, why should you be afraid of all this? Become the Minsk province and receive. But no. They do not want to - "independence" immediately wakes up! And what did the “ally” Crimea not recognize as Russian? Here is Syria - admitted. But the Slav brothers are not. So where is this “ally”? This is another parasite, the benefit of which the Russian Federation is not any.
      1. assa67
        assa67 14 February 2018 17: 00
        +2
        what do you propose? ... to charm everything and the whole thing is not tricky ...
        1. Sergeant71
          Sergeant71 14 February 2018 17: 13
          +5
          To call a spade a spade is not to cheat. Some (a little to the south) were "intensified" and "fed." You yourself know how this epic ended. I propose to implement the agreements on the union state of 1997, on which a certain "father" put a potato bolt. And behave like an ally, but a wench.
          1. assa67
            assa67 14 February 2018 17: 25
            +3
            I’m not at all trying to “whitewash” Old Man, but the realities are what they are ...
      2. sviazist
        sviazist 14 February 2018 20: 36
        +2
        There was also a base in the Crimea. Yes. Yes. With polite people. Yes. Yes. Why do you need a plant? Raise yours, Kamaz is omnipotent there, BAZ is omnipotent. Maybe you’ll make a chassis. Someday, how to cut a denyuzhku treasury cease. And about the recognition of the Crimea and other unrecognized, so think for yourself why Belarus does this. And yes, what does Rogozin do for 4 years on the Su-30, if you still can’t release them. Think about it better, not the LAST ally high.
  5. Imh
    Imh 14 February 2018 16: 28
    +4
    When all sorts of Baltic states, Belarus and other Croatia buy weapons, I have a question - who are you going to defend against? Is it like the army of Canada - from whom, from Russia or from the USA? Do not tell my slippers. Belarusians have nowhere to spend money?
    1. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 14 February 2018 16: 31
      +9
      Quote: IMH
      Belarusians have nowhere to spend money?

      What do you care about in Israel?
      1. Crowe
        Crowe 14 February 2018 16: 39
        +9
        Quote: bouncyhunter
        What do you care about in Israel?

        They also want planes for free.
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 14 February 2018 16: 41
          +9
          Quote: Crowe
          They also want planes for free.

          Something I strongly doubt that the Israelis praised the Fu-35 at full cost (if at all pay for them).
          1. cniza
            cniza 14 February 2018 16: 47
            +6
            They are the biggest freeloaders; if the horses find out, they will strangle themselves.
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 14 February 2018 16: 52
              +6
              I will not remind a proverb about the born and cried. wink But they definitely stand each other. yes
      2. CAT BAIYUN
        CAT BAIYUN 14 February 2018 16: 46
        +4
        Greetings, Pasha. hi
        This blue-eyed thing is all about when money doesn’t come to their shop. This upsets them. Now, if we bought some “tavors” from Israel - oh ... We would be very correct from their point of view. And so - a mess!
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 14 February 2018 16: 50
          +1
          Vasya, be healthy! hi In general, I have the impression that Comrade IMH is deeply offended by Belarus for something: the country is pouring dirt on it very eagerly. yes
      3. Warrior with machine gun
        Warrior with machine gun 14 February 2018 17: 19
        +4
        like what Pasha, but what about the old Israeli custom of a grandmother in someone else's pocket to count as your own))
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 14 February 2018 17: 25
          +2
          Well, yes, Zhenya, you’re right: I didn’t take into account the customs at all ... lol
    2. DIVAN SOLDIER
      DIVAN SOLDIER 14 February 2018 16: 32
      0
      Well, Canada and the Baltic states against Russia are on the US side.
      1. Imh
        Imh 14 February 2018 16: 33
        +1
        No, well, good luck to them of course, but 10-20-30 of their most fashionable aircraft against Russia will not be saved.
    3. Crowe
      Crowe 14 February 2018 16: 37
      +5
      Quote: IMH
      Belarusians have nowhere to spend money?

      Their Russians spend. For gifts, to his family or cousin, but supposedly to his brother.
    4. CAT BAIYUN
      CAT BAIYUN 14 February 2018 16: 42
      +4
      who are you going to defend against?

      And you do not know from whom exactly the Union State will have to defend?
      Belarusians have nowhere to spend money?

      But did you have something to buy from Israel?
      And what do you care about where we spend our money?
    5. Chertt
      Chertt 14 February 2018 16: 47
      +2
      Quote: IMH
      It’s like the army of Canada - from whom, from Russia or from the USA

      By your logic, it is necessary to leave the army to two dozen countries, or in general, only possessing nuclear weapons. And the remaining countries to voluntarily-forcibly demilitarize
    6. Sergeant71
      Sergeant71 14 February 2018 16: 58
      +2
      And they do not spend them. Or do you seriously think that a dwarf country with a subsidized economy is capable of buying expensive high-tech weapons?
  6. Egorovich
    Egorovich 14 February 2018 16: 28
    +7
    Purchase of RB 12pcs. SU-30SM aircraft, this, in essence, is the strengthening of the western border of our union state. Keep it up!!! good
    1. Imh
      Imh 14 February 2018 16: 31
      +10
      As history shows, Russia has only two allies, and Belarus is not among them.
      1. Egorovich
        Egorovich 14 February 2018 16: 36
        +9
        And Israel has not one, except for a blast-America.Socia, which in life will never fight for you. yes
        1. Imh
          Imh 14 February 2018 16: 44
          +3
          It would seem, where does Israel?
    2. just exp
      just exp 14 February 2018 16: 33
      +2
      unless the Old Man will turn the fifth point in favor of the West.
      1. Imh
        Imh 14 February 2018 16: 35
        +3
        He will not turn, but he can move to Rostov. Moreover, they will not save him from the "Maidan" Su-30, with all due respect to the Su-30.
        1. assa67
          assa67 14 February 2018 16: 42
          +3
          Quote: IMH
          But it can move to Rostov

          where is it? to dill? ... sound the blue dreams of Avakov? so he already changed his mind
          1. Imh
            Imh 14 February 2018 16: 52
            +2
            What are you talking about? I do not understand.
            1. assa67
              assa67 14 February 2018 17: 11
              +3
              I apologize, I read, "but Rostov can move," because such a reaction hi .
              Quote: IMH
              But he can move to Rostov.

              Now in the "right" topic, it is difficult to imagine the Maidan in Minsk ...
    3. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 14 February 2018 16: 39
      +7
      I read the comments and marvel: everyone cares what Belarus will pay for the planes:
      Quote: Crowe
      But what are our Slav brothers going to pay? Potato Or forgiving debt?

      Quote: Sergeant71
      And they will “buy” on our interest-free loans, which they will once again write off.

      but no one remembers how Russia has written off debts to more distant and less friendly countries like Belarus. what
      1. assa67
        assa67 14 February 2018 16: 55
        +4
        mind you, Pash, most of all this question of the white-black-and-white is of interest ... and what is their concern?
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 14 February 2018 17: 02
          +5
          There have already been suggestions that they envy. lol
          1. assa67
            assa67 14 February 2018 17: 12
            +4
            let them envy laughing
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 14 February 2018 17: 15
              +4
              Quote: assa67
              let them envy

              Let, if only it would be better if they did it silently. yes
      2. Astoria
        Astoria 14 February 2018 17: 39
        +1
        Nobody pulled you for the language, what is the friendliness of the Republic of Belarus - as a State, not a community of people united by kinship, namely the state?
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 14 February 2018 17: 47
          +4
          I am not a politician and cannot be responsible for those who govern the country. But I know for sure that the overwhelming majority of Belarusians do not separate Russia from Belarus, just like me, they experience and perceive negative news from Russia in the same way that I am close to my heart.
  7. just exp
    just exp 14 February 2018 16: 32
    +3
    We have determined delivery schedules, we will buy four cars a year

    They came up with a cool idea and said so beautifully - to buy.
    Interestingly, what they give for free is often called - to buy?
  8. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 14 February 2018 16: 43
    +2
    Old Man, like a capricious wife ........... laughing
  9. demo
    demo 14 February 2018 17: 50
    +3
    So far the Russian Federation is not in a position to deliver these aircraft to us, because there are certain difficulties in the supply of spare parts under the embargo. There is a localization of a purely Russian machine, and by the year of 2019 they promised that this would be a purely Russian machine, and we can proceed to the performing part of this contract without any problems.
    - said the head of the Ministry of Defense.


    That's interesting.
    What spare parts are under the embargo, says the Minister of Defense of the Republic of Belarus?
    And what will our responsible persons say about this (how I love them)?
    I mean Dmitry Olegovich Rogozin.
    Is this his diocese?

    What for 4 years are not able to localize production?
    Stunned !!!!!!!!!!!!!
    1. Lynx33
      Lynx33 15 February 2018 08: 16
      0
      I suspect that Belarus did not order aircraft in the picking of the Russian Ministry of Defense, but with import components that the West does not want to sell to our defense industry.
      1. KP8789
        KP8789 15 February 2018 09: 12
        0
        No need to suspect, you must carefully read the article. Everything is exactly the opposite of what you wrote.
        So far the Russian Federation is not in a position to deliver these aircraft to us, because there are certain difficulties in the supply of spare parts under the embargo. There is a localization of a purely Russian machine, and by the year of 2019 they promised that this would be a purely Russian machine, and we can proceed to the performing part of this contract without any problems.
        - said the head of the Ministry of Defense.
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    1. sviazist
      sviazist 14 February 2018 22: 18
      +1
      Recipe lost? wassat
  11. suhov17
    suhov17 15 February 2018 11: 30
    +3
    Since 1991, Kremlin propaganda has been presenting Belarus as the most terrible enemy of Russia, from which the most terrible troubles of Russia.
    Only this Belarus, voluntarily and free of charge, gave to Russia, all strategic bombers, missiles and nuclear warheads, and you paid a lot of money to Kazakhstan and Ukraine and supplied the latest armaments for those times. Only this Belarus, still does not take a dime for the Russian, military bases on its own land and you pay the others again. Only this is you, who are constantly organizing trade wars in Belarus, under the motto: -Give the plant, give the pipeline. Only this Belarus, does for Russia, the lowest tariffs, which no one does for it, but in return receives loans at 4-6%, when you give money to the west at 0,5%. And in the end, it’s Russian firms that drive sanctions through Belarus, registering it as transit going through the EAEU to Asia, and once in Russia, it disappears without a trace.
    But you and I are not only not at war, but even allies, and this is such nonsense and hatred.
    Thank you, Russian Vanya, I will not forget to live for a century, but I will die, I will punish the children so that they remember!
    1. Sands Careers General
      Sands Careers General 15 February 2018 15: 17
      0
      Girl, do not quarrel))
    2. sviazist
      sviazist 15 February 2018 20: 14
      +1
      Yes, what to explain to them. Zombie.
  12. Russia we
    Russia we 16 February 2018 02: 29
    0
    Quote: suhov17
    Since 1991, Kremlin propaganda has been presenting Belarus as the most terrible enemy of Russia, from which the most terrible troubles of Russia.
    Only this Belarus, voluntarily and free of charge, gave to Russia, all strategic bombers, missiles and nuclear warheads, and you paid a lot of money to Kazakhstan and Ukraine and supplied the latest armaments for those times. Only this Belarus, still does not take a dime for the Russian, military bases on its own land and you pay the others again. Only this is you, who are constantly organizing trade wars in Belarus, under the motto: -Give the plant, give the pipeline. Only this Belarus, does for Russia, the lowest tariffs, which no one does for it, but in return receives loans at 4-6%, when you give money to the west at 0,5%. And in the end, it’s Russian firms that drive sanctions through Belarus, registering it as transit going through the EAEU to Asia, and once in Russia, it disappears without a trace.
    But you and I are not only not at war, but even allies, and this is such nonsense and hatred.
    Thank you, Russian Vanya, I will not forget to live for a century, but I will die, I will punish the children so that they remember!

    Belarus needs to become part of Russia Russian Orthodox Christian, to Russian Orthodox Christians. Become Russia Russian Orthodox Christian, Russian Orthodox Christians, the people of Russia Russian Orthodox Christian. As we have always been Russia Russian Orthodox Christian, Russian Orthodox Christians, people of Russia Russian Orthodox Christian: Russia, Kievan Rus, the Russian Empire, the USSR-Russia. Because otherwise, they will capture and enslave us and make us their colony, slaves and cannon fodder-USA. Or anyone else. We-Belarus are weak-we cannot protect ourselves. Our Belarus will be turned into ruins in three days. We, the poor, we have no resources. We are small. But the most important thing is that we are weak, we are not able to defend ourselves.
    What are our military Russian bases ??? We have no Russian military bases in Belarus!
    This Russia supplies Belarus with resources and hydrocarbons cheaper than others.
    It’s Belarus that drives sanctions against Russia, and not Russia to Belarus. Russia gives loans to Belarus. Belarusians go to work in Russia.
    This is Russian Orthodox Christians, Russia Russian Orthodox Christian defends Belarus since the collapse of the USSR. Under mutual treaties and documents, and under the CSTO treaty. It is thanks to the Russian Orthodox Christians, Russia, the Russian Orthodox Christian, that Belarus has not attacked Belarus since the collapse of the USSR, and you and your son are not killed by aggressors. And Belarus is not captured by the United States or anyone else .
    Why did you have to leave Russia ???? Now we, Belarus, Belarusians, the people of Belarus, have these problems: we are weak, most importantly, we can’t protect ourselves. We are poor, we have hydrocarbons, resources, we are small. For three days we’ll be erased and turned into to ashes.
    Why the heck we were torn from Russia ??????????? ALL Belarus, ALL Belarusians, ALL the people of Belarus — want to join Russia — because in Russian Orthodox Christians, in Russia Russian Orthodox Christian — strong, rich, smart — we see protection, peace, goodness, prosperity, present and future, justice .A without Russian Orthodox Christians, without Russia Russian Orthodox Christian, we see the enslavement of us to the United States.
    Yes, suhov17-thanks to Russian Van, we are still alive, Belarus is alive and we are not a colony and not slaves of the USA or whose others.Yes, suhov17 — you have to say thanks to Russian Van — that you and your son are not killed and turned into cannon fodder by US Americans or other aggressors.
    Thank you, Russian Vanya, I will not forget to live for a century, but I will die, I will punish the children so that they remember! We want to go back to your home, part of Russia. Without you, we will die. Without you, Russian Orthodox Christians, Russia Russian Orthodox, will turn us into ruins and ashes in three days in the wind. We will be without you not tenants, but corpses.
    1. Russia we
      Russia we 16 February 2018 02: 36
      0
      Why did the USSR collapse ??? Now this shit is disintegrating.
      suhov17-why do you lie and hate Russian Orthodox Christians, Russian Orthodox Russia ??? Without Russian Orthodox Christians, without Russia Russian Orthodox, you are just a corpse. Or a colony and slave of the United States, at the moment, the United States.
  13. Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 17 February 2018 04: 23
    +1
    Bongo,
    Why is it thrown up recourse Today we are going to skype on the occasion of Karish’s birthday
    Romanov I and our pr how are you?