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True and false "Wagner": what happened in Syria really

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The last few days, all social networks are full of information, and “absolutely reliable,” about the terrible defeat of Wagner PMCs in the Syrian province of Deir-ez-Zor. The fact that "the Americans humiliated Russia," and "we could not answer."


What happened in Syria? Versions as much as opinions. Each "expert" has some of his own data, despite the fact that he has never been to Syria, is not related to PMCs or the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, and indeed doesn’t represent anyone or anything.

However, some facts emerge on their own. But they still need to be able to figure it out.

Russian journalist Maxim Shevchenko asked a few questions about the situation in Syria to the domestic military journalist, a participant in the hostilities in Serbia and Transnistria, captain of the reserve Vladislav Shurygin. Vladislav often visited Syria already during the conflict and is well aware of the events a week ago.

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  1. Spartanez300
    Spartanez300 14 February 2018 16: 36
    +12
    Media is a shameful yap.
    1. Vard
      Vard 14 February 2018 16: 44
      +17
      In Soviet times, we read newspapers between the lines ... now the media sometimes is better not to read ... What pleases ... these figures think that if they write something, it will be so ... and this is an illusion ... and they live in a world of illusions ... but in real life we ​​are breaking ...
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    1. Alex boyko
      Alex boyko 14 February 2018 20: 47
      +10
      The journalist introduced the speaker at the beginning. That's where infa comes from. For the rest, he balanced and reasonedly commented on everything. You must listen carefully falcon.
      On the other hand, a bazaar of an unknown by phone, and as I noticed for some reason, a demonstration of our guys in the Crimea. That is crap balcony.
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      1. P0LYM
        P0LYM 15 February 2018 10: 27
        +10
        It should be, before calling someone ... com ... to get acquainted with the biography of a person ... so as not to be known for yourself ... well, you know who ... Shurygin is one of the most adequate people in the media industry
        1. the monastery
          the monastery 18 February 2018 22: 35
          0
          so it’s not about him but about what he said!
          I know the truth. and here he is a racket
          1. PDM80
            PDM80 20 February 2018 08: 35
            +1
            Tell me the truth! and in any case, they are mercenaries!
            1. the monastery
              the monastery 28 February 2018 23: 20
              0
              many died and many of the exact number I can’t.
              and hiring it, and therefore they are not always taken out often nameless
              stay in a foreign land on circumstances or contract.
      2. igog
        igog 15 February 2018 13: 11
        0
        this person can be leveled with a wall, or a sewing machine. by his ability to absorb information.
        1. PDM80
          PDM80 20 February 2018 08: 33
          0
          you are a moron! justify what you said!
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    3. Dead duck
      Dead duck 14 February 2018 21: 46
      +12
      Quote: FalconD
      I think that he would be glad to say the opposite to raise the level of his "expertness"

      He does not need to raise anything, unlike sofa super expert writers ...
      he thinks you see ... what is only interesting, although on the mental ave two hemispheres are visible.
      This "expert" fought in Serbia and Transnistria and plowed as a military journalist.
      1. Falcond
        Falcond 14 February 2018 22: 08
        0
        What do you have against Ava ???
        1. Dead duck
          Dead duck 14 February 2018 22: 11
          +5
          Quote: FalconD
          What do you have against Ava ???

          read carefully, everything was written there.
          1. Falcond
            Falcond 14 February 2018 22: 27
            +2
            It’s just that your hemispheres are not observed at all
            1. Dead duck
              Dead duck 15 February 2018 13: 43
              +8
              Quote: FalconD
              It’s just that your hemispheres are not observed at all

              accordingly, if they are in the skull request
      2. HDZ
        HDZ 14 February 2018 23: 58
        +3
        I have "there" 7 numbers my friend died. Exactly there. And just then.
        And this EXPERD was also "at war", like a thrill with a broomstick?
        He has the setting: "there was nothing !!!". And he fulfills, clinging to mice and not noticing an elephant.
        1. RobertZone
          RobertZone 15 February 2018 08: 08
          +2
          The fact that a friend believes, but did he die there that day and hour? Syria is large and none of the mercenaries does not display its GPS position on the tracking site. And they kill in Syria daily and hourly. So where does infa come from that he died there and on this very raid? No info? There are only assumptions, not supported by anything?
          1. Swag
            Swag 18 February 2018 03: 56
            0
            at the last moment he managed to throw SMS to his “friend”, they say, I’m dying, but I don’t give up the return address with geolocation and the number of the 200s.
        2. P0LYM
          P0LYM 15 February 2018 10: 36
          +7
          I have "there" 7 numbers my friend died. Exactly there. And just then.

          and this is why I have to believe these words ??? how do they differ from if I said: “50 people died from the city there ... exactly 7 ... exactly there” ... what? I don’t stick ... I’m sure that PMCs have suffered losses there over the years ... except that I'm really sorry that our guys are dying, what else can I say? Their death is not included in the reports, yes ... but they are not there because the Motherland called ... there is such a business ...
          1. HDZ
            HDZ 28 October 2018 20: 29
            0
            Do you believe it now? or ostrich?
        3. Viking
          Viking 15 February 2018 11: 26
          +5
          Surnames, dates, places of birth - in the studio.
          Otherwise, it’s nothing more than a gobbled chatter from a dude with 22 comments all the time. That can not but suggest that "the Cossack mishandled."
          1. HDZ
            HDZ 23 October 2018 19: 45
            0
            sometimes it would be nice to answer for words.
            My words were confirmed on all news channels and in the General Staff of the Russian Federation.
            So who has the installation and who is the Cossack?
        4. Nikolay Fedorov
          Nikolay Fedorov 15 February 2018 18: 21
          +5
          Quote: HDZ
          I have "there" 7 numbers my friend died. Exactly there. And just then.

          For the daughter of an officer: well, one acquaintance died, and what of that? Your brain immediately multiplies the loss of a friend by 200, and after a while by another 2-3?
          Quote: HDZ
          And this EXPERD was also "at war", like a thrill with a broomstick?

          It's not for you to judge how he fought. Only his commanders and comrades can judge this.
          Quote: HDZ
          He has the setting: "there was nothing !!!". And he fulfills, clinging to mice and not noticing an elephant.

          It’s your installation "there were hundreds of Russian corpses where the government looked, Putin is to blame." Shurygin, on the other hand, examines the real situation and shows how, out of one real clash of enemies, propaganda with the help of couch alarmists and other emotionally unstable people created a completely different media picture - for the elections.
          1. HDZ
            HDZ 28 October 2018 20: 27
            0
            I repeat:
            All that I said then is true.
            and moon-faced and general staff and nightingales with Kisilev confirmed.
            All that you then stuck - lies and slander.
            If only someone apologized.
        5. 11 black
          11 black 16 February 2018 16: 03
          0
          Quote: HDZ
          I have "there" 7 numbers my friend died. Exactly there. And just then.
          And this EXPERD was also "at war", like a thrill with a broomstick?
          He has the setting: "there was nothing !!!". And he fulfills, clinging to mice and not noticing an elephant.

          “Acquaintances” were attracted - judging by you, the whole army lay down there, and the “attitude” is actually with you ...
          1. HDZ
            HDZ 28 October 2018 20: 28
            0
            do not forget to apologize! huh?
        6. KOMA
          KOMA 19 February 2018 14: 30
          0
          Yeah, and you're the officer's daughter, swam, we know!
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      1. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek 15 February 2018 01: 00
        +1
        Quote: 1959ain
        According to the publication of the FARS news agency (quoted by the Turkish newspaper Daily Sabah), Pindos mistakenly destroyed 300 Kurds in the southeastern region of Deir ez-Zor province in the vicinity of the village of al-Souseh. The reason for this feat was the false data received from local sources. To hide their mistake from the world media, the Americans began to spread fake news about the destruction of the Wagner PMC fighters. bully bully bully
        http://www.iarex.ru/news/55646.html?utm_referrer=
        https% 3A% 2F% 2Fzen.yandex.com

        recourse recourse recourse Well this is mine! what belay good good good laughing laughing
    5. alexnmv5
      alexnmv5 15 February 2018 00: 54
      +7
      They listened with a ponte Wagner. Question. Is he alone there? Why the rest are silent, do not whine. And listen carefully to the accent. Pure crest. Sam from eastern Ukraine. I know.
    6. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 15 February 2018 00: 58
      +1
      Quote: FalconD
      Another ekperd! I don’t presume to say whether it was or wasn’t, BUT ... watching a man sitting in a sweater, folding his hands on his belly, and claims that everything is complete nonsense ...

      what are they worse than those who spread the fake about the defeat of PMCs ??? wassat wassat
    7. Vereshchagin
      Vereshchagin 16 February 2018 11: 09
      +1
      Vlad, unlike you, is a fairly well-known person and his opinion is authoritative in wide expert circles. Man came not from outside, but from the system.
    8. Natalia777
      Natalia777 17 February 2018 14: 34
      0
      If your friend from Syria from the front line calls you and tells you how and what happened, you too probably will believe him. But what does a man wear and where did he put his hands - is that really an argument? This suggests that you are hostile to information that you do not want to believe.
    9. Swag
      Swag 18 February 2018 03: 13
      0
      And what is objectivity for you? A passport on a corpse with geolocation or an interview with the recognition of Prigogine himself.) It is not always necessary to visit the battlefield to have reliable information.
  3. pofigist_26_rus
    pofigist_26_rus 14 February 2018 17: 42
    +19
    I don’t know about you, this hysteria got me. Whether it’s true or false, it is up to everyone to decide for himself.
    But, comrades, we do not live in a vacuum. The modern world is crammed with various means of objectively recording events, and yes, you also have such a tool in your pocket. I'm talking about the "smartphone".
    Let me give you a couple of logical examples from the recent past, for thought. 1) The United States struck with cruise missiles at the Syrian base, photos and videos from the place appeared on the network after 8-10 hours. 2) Terrorists attacked our air base (1 and 2 times), photos and videos appeared after 14-18 hours (in the first case), 8-10 hours (in the second). 3) The Republican militia destroys the Ukrainian DRG, almost always videos and photos appear on the network in 6-12 hours. And you can throw such examples from another 10. In this situation, there is no clear evidence, the question is, are they all alone walking there? Nearby there is not a single person from the locals? UAVs do not fly there? More likely would be the news that the Mars were fighting on the side of the SAA, and even then there would be “selfies” with them! While there is no objective evidence of what happened, this is a fake.
    1. Vladimir 5
      Vladimir 5 14 February 2018 20: 05
      +3
      Peskov expressed himself that there were no military personnel of the RF Ministry of Defense, and this is alarming, for he confirms the events that have arrived at the Deir-erzor. And then, statements about the inconsistency of actions defeated with the MoD in Syria ... There is no smoke without fire, there will be enough smoke for a long time. Only the answer will be the same, as in the well-known case: she drowned ...
    2. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 15 February 2018 01: 02
      +1
      Quote: pofigist_26_rus
      But, comrades, we do not live in a vacuum. The modern world is crammed with various means of objectively recording events

      this, by the way, also leads to a problem, as a result of which we have all this coven with this rout of Wager !!! wassat wassat lol lol lol
    3. RobertZone
      RobertZone 15 February 2018 08: 12
      0
      Take a look at the beginning. The blow was struck at night. Who is there and what will they take to the smartphone? The column went to the oil refinery, did not reach direct contact, as it was smashed by artifacts, and after it was finished off with turntables and warthogs. Only s have videos. And part has already been posted on the Internet.
      1. pofigist_26_rus
        pofigist_26_rus 15 February 2018 08: 47
        +10
        Based on your words, one gets the impression that the consequences of any incident disappear at dawn. Remember the downed fighter of the Israeli Air Force, which also fell at night. So its fragments are perfectly captured in the morning. Also, there were no reports of the movement of the column through the settlements, that is, there was not a single person who saw the marching column of mercenaries / volunteers of clearly non-Arab origin in this direction. Not to mention indirect symptoms. Namely, the increase in the intensity of the radio communication of the surrounding units, the reports on the arrival of the dead and wounded to medical institutions and the most interesting thing, was not noted at least for the organization of the “trip”, in order to assess the damage caused to the “unknown” group. The question is also why not one of the media representatives working on the spot was interested in this case. And there are enough of them, including at the forefront.
      2. P0LYM
        P0LYM 15 February 2018 11: 45
        +4
        Wooooh ... guys, take a look here .... here he is an eyewitness ... both about art and warthogs ... I directly presented everything as a reality ... and believed ... let's write more details !!! How damn you are ... right now even the parts are laid out ... just not all the videos from the comp. games mounted ...
    4. Swag
      Swag 18 February 2018 03: 17
      0
      But there is a bunch of anonymous, voice-overs, "mother" of the deceased fighter, and even an interview with one of the participants.
  4. Terenin
    Terenin 14 February 2018 18: 56
    +15
    Little by little, this plot with the “punishment of Russia” is fading away, now we are waiting for the next throw from the series “everything is bad in Russia” on the media fan and the spread of yellowness throughout the country yes
    1. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 15 February 2018 01: 15
      +2
      Quote: Terenin
      Little by little, this plot with the “punishment of Russia” is fading away, now we are waiting for the next throw from the series “everything is bad in Russia” on the media fan and the spread of yellowness throughout the country yes

      noooo ... while this "dunghill" is kneading !!!! new on this topic has rolled up !! belay belay request request wassat wassat wassat

      Media: The number of Russians killed during the US attack continues to grow
      https://vz.ru/news/2018/2/14/908377.html
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 15 February 2018 08: 32
        +7
        Of course, who would have thought that the wounded were suddenly taken to ... a hospital belay I won’t be surprised that all of these Blumer media will simply take in our Ministry of Health the number of people in hospitals and hospitals in the country and rank all as mercenaries yes
        1. Nikolai Grek
          Nikolai Grek 15 February 2018 17: 50
          0
          Quote: Terenin
          Of course, who would have thought that the wounded were suddenly taken to ... a hospital belay I won’t be surprised that all of these Blumer media will simply take in our Ministry of Health the number of people in hospitals and hospitals in the country and rank all as mercenaries yes

          but our local commentators how beautifully "eat" this get along !!! wassat wassat wassat
  5. Gardamir
    Gardamir 14 February 2018 19: 30
    +1
    The Russian journalist asked questions to the reserve captain. in general, this captain, at least since 2000, is a journalist himself. Two journalists are sitting peacefully talking, but they gave us the same as an "expert" covering the events. What events? This Shurygin is an office journalist, there is no video anywhere where he is reporting from places of events. What difference does it make him mess up there.
    1. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 15 February 2018 01: 18
      +12
      Quote: Gardamir
      The Russian journalist asked questions to the reserve captain. in general, this captain, at least since 2000, is a journalist himself. Two journalists are sitting peacefully talking, but they gave us the same as an "expert" covering the events. What events? This Shurygin is an office journalist, there is no video anywhere where he is reporting from places of events. What difference does it make him mess up there.

      From 1991 to 2003, more than one hundred and twenty times traveled as a correspondent to a number of “hot spots”. He worked in Karabakh, South Ossetia, Transnistria, Abkhazia, Tajikistan, Serbia, Chechnya, Iraq.
      In October 1993, he participated in well-known events in Moscow on the side of the defenders of the Supreme Council. During the assault, Moscow City Hall was wounded.
      He fought as a volunteer in Serbia and Transnistria. He was wounded three times. He was awarded the Order “For Personal Courage”, the medal “To the Defender of Transnistria”, the Serb Krajina badge “Combat Distinction”.
  6. Indifferent
    Indifferent 14 February 2018 19: 35
    +24
    Shurygin is not a kid from the couch. He fought in many hot spots. He has friends who fight in PMCs. With modern means of communication, phoning all, including survivors at the refinery, is enough for one day. Therefore, his information is very believable. Well and the most important thing. Suppose 250 of our children died and another 300 were injured. Some of the guys are very heavy. They are citizens of Russia, which means they must be transported home. Who is buried, who is cured. And this is a whole caravan of cars to the airfield. Loading on transporters and not one. Unloading. Wounded immediately to the hospitals! 300 people is a lot and everyone has different injuries. Now all the TV channels would "relish" this event every 15 minutes of time. But there is none of this. Today I read that in Siberia in the town they are waiting for two 200s. There is information on the third, but it is not known. He is killed or injured. But I also read such an article. That ours is not forgiven. And the "otvetka" will arrive, although not now. Policy!
    1. Igar
      14 February 2018 20: 43
      +6
      Finally adequate comment
    2. SOLO52rus
      SOLO52rus 14 February 2018 21: 20
      +5
      Well, a more or less logical comment ... In confirmation of this, I can add that in the presence of a similar number of 200x and 300x, news of word of mouth is scattered very quickly, because everyone has relatives and friends (and not like before) they have their own phones ( smartphones with cameras) and all this fuss with the wounded and the dead quickly turned out to be available on the Internet ... So, definitely a fake ...
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        1. Procyon lotor
          Procyon lotor 14 February 2018 23: 58
          0
          I thought that the use of video from computer games is the prerogative of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Defense
  7. gcn
    gcn 14 February 2018 20: 44
    +5
    There, the guy said a lot on the recordings for a term in his homeland, at least if he really is a fighter, then the Wagner has problems with recruiting professional fighters. That is, Cossacks with average height under a hundred kg got and were executed by Arabs. When people call here (maybe dead our boys who drove our government into embrasures and why they didn’t blow up the Amer’s pvd) a mercenary who is paid to fight for one of our sides is jarring at me. They are not Komsomol volunteers to tell anyone. They’re essentially outlawed, and this has two sides, and the Americans were the first to understand it and drive their blacks where they want without recognizing the loss.
    1. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 15 February 2018 01: 22
      +3
      Quote: gcn
      There, the guy said a lot on audio recordings for a term in his homeland, at least if he really is a fighter, then the Wagner has problems with recruiting professional fighters.

      liberals will say that the recruitment was carried out by announcement !!!! lol lol lol
  8. Urs
    Urs 14 February 2018 23: 32
    +4
    Of course everything is said quite convincingly and ...... in short all the complete shit.
    We don’t learn anything about what actually happened, as in the wonderful Soviet times.
    Our guys are working wars, like any hard worker, only Pts are dangerous work safety measures, though they pay not badly.
    They work there illegally, although they are there quite legally, the funeral came from the deep consulate with a note that he died under unknown circumstances, like an accident in the territory of the SAR.
    In reality, our fighters died about 30-40, for which they died they know and their relatives know and they went there of their own free will.
    Here, just silently, it is necessary to raise the fighting 100 and remember, it’s not a man’s business to wag this language.
    What you answer is without varic, and at any level.
    1. Vladimir 5
      Vladimir 5 15 February 2018 00: 59
      +1
      Disagreement, - PMCs wet Americans completely, because they got good from ours, Why our different US advisers are not wet, although there are different terrorists, because the Americans warn that there is theirs. Ours answered, ours are not there - or they don’t control the situation at all, or the setup ... They are guilty of the death of the RF Defense Ministry, therefore they are silent in a rag and there is no information about the dead .... And your thoughtless indulgence of this crime makes it possible go on saying so explicitly - war crimes ...
      1. Valery Saitov
        Valery Saitov 15 February 2018 07: 07
        +5
        ..if we got the go-ahead from ours.)))
        Are you from the General Staff or from the State Department? If not, then the snowstorm should not be shoved through all the resources. Analysts are shitty. Where is the photo of the boards with a load of "200"? Where are the photos, videos of the funeral themselves throughout Russia? Or did the liberals start to work poorly? Even photoshop is missing or editing.
      2. RobertZone
        RobertZone 15 February 2018 08: 16
        +1
        I answer your errors. Our advisers urinate and often. For from the air it is not visible where the igilovets and where the adviser.
      3. Urs
        Urs 15 February 2018 14: 22
        +1
        Our fighters never wet the amers on purpose, they always let us go, we can call it an unspoken agreement.
        Yes, and on the line below I will say so. WAR IS ALWAYS A CRIME, but who and before what law is regulated by the war --- THERE IS NOT SUCH.
        The war is KILL OR KILL YOU ka see the choice is not great and very cruel ..
        There is always betrayal of cowardice and outright gagging in war. But unfortunately we are not judges.
    2. Valery Saitov
      Valery Saitov 15 February 2018 07: 08
      +2
      In Syria, in the province of Deir ez-Zor, on February 7, the day when the American coalition against the Islamic State (Islamic State, an organization banned in Russia) dealt a massive blow to pro-Assad forces in the Euphrates River Valley, at least four Russians were killed who were fighters of PMC Wagner. The Conflict Intelligence Team (CIT) investigator group named them on Twitter with a link to messages from relatives and friends on social networks.
      According to CIT, Alexei Ladygin from Ryazan, Stanislav Matveev, Igor Kosoturov from the city of Asbest, Sverdlovsk Region, and Vladimir Loginov from the Kaliningrad Region died in Deir ez-Zor.
      According to a publication by the FARS news agency (quoted by the Turkish Daily Sabah newspaper), the USA mistakenly destroyed 300 Kurds in the southeastern region of Deir ez-Zor province in the vicinity of the village of al-Souseh. The reason for this feat was the false data received from local sources. To hide their mistake from the world media, the Americans began to spread fake news about the destruction of the Wagner PMC fighters.
  9. Procyon lotor
    Procyon lotor 14 February 2018 23: 47
    +1
    Since they are not there (PMCs), you can calmly soak all the bearded
  10. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur 15 February 2018 02: 39
    0
    “Vladislav has been to Syria more than once already during the conflict and is well aware of the events a week ago.” That is, he was not there and, in general, this is another journalistic speculation.
  11. Catfish
    Catfish 15 February 2018 02: 48
    +3
    I don’t remember who said that ours from PMCs without the permission of our command in Syria and in latrine cannot go.
    Most likely the way it is. And there is still no exact information about what happened. You can chat about this as much as you like. And our MO, if it did not immediately give direct and reliable information, it will be silent or lie to the end. The tradition in our country is this. I am sincerely sorry for our guys who died there (if !?), but what kind of thing is there - they are mercenaries and they knew what they were going for. But for now, talking about it is simply pointless. But for some reason it seems to me that ours, those who in their position and positions should inform the people about such situations, once again got into a puddle. And now, if someone breaks out with “revelations”, God forbid, believe his words. Now, the more time passes, the more it starts to smell like a “good, old scoop” with all its lies, pharisaism and spit on its citizens.
  12. North South
    North South 15 February 2018 04: 15
    +1
    Quote: HDZ
    I have "there" 7 numbers my friend died. Exactly there. And just then.
    And this EXPERD was also "at war", like a thrill with a broomstick?
    He has the setting: "there was nothing !!!". And he fulfills, clinging to mice and not noticing an elephant.

    The head of the Pentagon said that he has no information about the dead Russians on February 7.
    1. ig.cheremisin2013
      ig.cheremisin2013 15 February 2018 09: 15
      +1
      And we are waiting for coffins and it is from there! This "expert-LIAR-like the media!
      1. 11 black
        11 black 16 February 2018 16: 24
        +1
        Quote: ig.cheremisin2013
        And we are waiting for coffins and it is from there! This "expert-LIAR-like the media!

        So name the surname name middle name city - check quickly, right on this site! Now it’s easier than ever - everyone in the cities has friends and acquaintances, the connection is instant.
        PS another govnovbros.
  13. M0xHaTka
    M0xHaTka 15 February 2018 07: 40
    +1
    I don’t understand.
    Wagner provides services. Produces services. As in any production, there are "industrial accidents." Why do the media rinse the wagner, and do not touch the Russian Railways, Gazprom, energy? At any of these enterprises there are more corpses. More affected.
  14. BazarbaiKZ Bazarov
    BazarbaiKZ Bazarov 15 February 2018 08: 16
    +3
    The South Russian accent is suspicious of the audio recordings; if coffins are waiting in Siberia, then we (in Siberia) do not have "g" cabins. Another govnovbros
  15. ig.cheremisin2013
    ig.cheremisin2013 15 February 2018 09: 14
    +1
    Believe the media is a heck of a laugh! How can you hide the deaths of our fellow soldiers in Syria ??! Yes, you can’t hide it! And no media, no matter how they "justify" the inaction, or even simply the TRIENCY of the defense ministry PMCs they won’t be able to convince ordinary citizens of the tragedy that has happened! This suggests one thing: our authorities and defense, as always, are not ready for a big war and actively defend our country and people from an external aggressor! And this, however, as always at all times! But lying is godless they learned it, FACT! And whatever "expert military" and even "witnesses" will be found!
  16. igorka357
    igorka357 15 February 2018 09: 22
    0
    Oh-ho-ho ... AC-130 Gunship Simulation ... aha ha ... laughed! Although our MO was so messy!
  17. engineer74
    engineer74 15 February 2018 11: 51
    +1
    You can approach the issue on the other hand, AC-130H only 8 (eight) pieces. I think it’s not great work to find out where they were at the indicated time.
    1. Evgenii Xolod
      Evgenii Xolod 15 February 2018 12: 59
      +2
      In America. They are not used for a long time. Due to the vulnerability to fire from the ground. (park all sorts)
  18. Antonio_Mariarti
    Antonio_Mariarti 15 February 2018 12: 02
    +1
    Even in those frames that the media published, it is visible only in most tanks, neither the cargo, nor even the armored personnel carrier. Where under 600 people were hidden in tanks?
  19. Evgenii Xolod
    Evgenii Xolod 15 February 2018 12: 58
    +2
    I had enough of a carousel and a cannon (I forgot the nickname)))))) as there was something shooting from the shaver ....... Then the news went to the neighing category ....... The original source in the suit ..... .. Ukrainian media directly believe immediately hunting;).
  20. 32363
    32363 15 February 2018 13: 44
    +1
    The head of the Central Command of the US Air Force, Lieutenant General Jeffrey Harrigan, said that F-15E Strike Eagle fighter jets, MQ-9 Reaper UAVs, AC-130 air support aircraft, AH-64 Apache attack helicopters and strategic bombers B-52.

    General Harrigan emphasized that the airstrike was agreed with the Russian Defense Ministry. The decision on the airstrike was made after the Russian side reported that there were no servicemen of the RF Armed Forces in the clash area, but “pro-government units,” the Pentagon said.

    Peskov denies the Americans confirm what is happening?
    1. bane's jacket
      bane's jacket 15 February 2018 13: 57
      0
      Quote: 32363
      The head of the Central Command of the US Air Force, Lieutenant General Jeffrey Harrigan, said that F-15E Strike Eagle fighter jets, MQ-9 Reaper UAVs, AC-130 air support aircraft, AH-64 Apache attack helicopters and strategic bombers B-52.

      General Harrigan emphasized that the airstrike was agreed with the Russian Defense Ministry. The decision on the airstrike was made after the Russian side reported that there were no servicemen of the RF Armed Forces in the clash area, but “pro-government units,” the Pentagon said.

      Peskov denies the Americans confirm what is happening?

      It's nothing.
      In response to a question from journalists about whether national mourning would be declared for the dead Russians, Peskov asked a counter question, saying that he did not understand why "mourning should be declared."
      https://www.gazeta.ru/army/2018/02/15/11650843.sh
      tml? updated
  21. Petrik66
    Petrik66 15 February 2018 14: 20
    +4
    I’ll draw the attention of commentators to the fact that a lot of “new” commentators participate in the forum, with strange ears for the Russian people and they doubt the correctness of our Russian actions. Do not be fooled by these enemies. This is their work, their task - who are you trying to convince? Yes, and why.
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 15 February 2018 17: 56
      +4
      Here is the nickname above the French flag, and the signature is in Russian, but you don’t wink. But in essence, you are right.
  22. Alexander Dyakov
    Alexander Dyakov 15 February 2018 16: 42
    +2
    Shurygin is a professional, whoever (and that) doesn’t “rub” his tongue. If he says something, then he knows everything about the subject of conversation. There is an information war designed for gullible and, moreover, not wanting to analyze anything , our fellow citizens. We need to think, think: to weigh, check what is read and what is shown in other sources, and not take everything on faith
  23. Xscorpion
    Xscorpion 15 February 2018 17: 58
    +1
    Quote: indifferent
    Shurygin is not a kid from the couch. He fought in many hot spots. He has friends who fight in PMCs. With modern means of communication, phoning all, including survivors at the refinery, is enough for one day. Therefore, his information is very believable. Well and the most important thing. Suppose 250 of our children died and another 300 were injured. Some of the guys are very heavy. They are citizens of Russia, which means they must be transported home. Who is buried, who is cured. And this is a whole caravan of cars to the airfield. Loading on transporters and not one. Unloading. Wounded immediately to the hospitals! 300 people is a lot and everyone has different injuries. Now all the TV channels would "relish" this event every 15 minutes of time. But there is none of this. Today I read that in Siberia in the town they are waiting for two 200s. There is information on the third, but it is not known. He is killed or injured. But I also read such an article. That ours is not forgiven. And the "otvetka" will arrive, although not now. Policy!


    The comment is adequate, I can add that from personal communication with a couple of acquaintances from PMCs who were in Syria in 2016, I found out that their contract stipulated that the bodies did not return to their homeland, the wounded were taken out only if they left the amputated without amputation in Damascus. Of course I don’t know how real it is with this, it’s also just from words, at that time I didn’t go into it much, didn’t ask questions in detail, I haven’t seen guys for more than a year since then, I’ve been on business trips forever.
  24. Xscorpion
    Xscorpion 15 February 2018 18: 01
    +2
    Quote: 32363
    The head of the Central Command of the US Air Force, Lieutenant General Jeffrey Harrigan, said that F-15E Strike Eagle fighter jets, MQ-9 Reaper UAVs, AC-130 air support aircraft, AH-64 Apache attack helicopters and strategic bombers B-52.

    General Harrigan emphasized that the airstrike was agreed with the Russian Defense Ministry. The decision on the airstrike was made after the Russian side reported that there were no servicemen of the RF Armed Forces in the clash area, but “pro-government units,” the Pentagon said.

    Peskov denies the Americans confirm what is happening?


    In the early days of the B-52 there was not a word, now they are already included in the list of attackers, in a day or two, the B-2, F-35, the destroyer Zimvolt with a railgun and tactical nuclear munitions will be added there.
  25. Vyacheslav Marinin
    Vyacheslav Marinin 15 February 2018 22: 17
    0
    WHAT THE HELL? RUSSIA SUPPORTS THE MILITARY B. ASSAD, WHICH RELEASE THEIR LAND. "WAGNER" IS BUILT IN ACTION OF THE SYRIAN TROOPS. BUT NOT AIRCRAFT NOT EXCESSIVE AIRCRAFT SYRIA NOT SUPPORTED. Fighters were betrayed. The US Air Force in Syria, for three hours, B-52 bombers, MQ-9 drones, AC-130 fire support aircraft, AH-64 Apache helicopters and F-15e fighter bombers were used. According to Pentagon estimates, about 100 people, many tanks and artillery pieces were destroyed as a result of the strikes. The representative of the Coalition and the head of the Pentagon, Mattis, could not confirm that among them were the Russian military or mercenaries.
  26. Vyacheslav Marinin
    Vyacheslav Marinin 15 February 2018 22: 29
    0
    Bashar al-Assad SHOULD PUBLICLY apologize for those who die and die for him. HE REMEMBERS LIBYA AND IRAQ.
  27. Russia we
    Russia we 16 February 2018 04: 01
    +1
    You know, I don’t believe all these experts. I believe the official sources. Namely, the President of Russia Russian Orthodox Christian Putin and the Ministry of Defense of Russia. Or the facts-video evidence. On which Russian prisoners are visible, dead or alive. Everything else is nonsense. .And here, a whole convoy seemed to be broken, and not a single Russian was shown. Yes, if the Russians were there, they would be happy to capture them and show them on video. There, one Russian pilot of the Orthodox Christian Protector of God was shot down immediately on the video showed both his battle and his downed plane Russian and his dead after the battle. And how everyone jumped over him, ready to do their trousers with happiness, that they shot down the Russian pilot of the Orthodox Christian Protector of God. And here, a whole column seems to have been broken- and not a single Russian was shown. Yes, if the Russians were there, they would be happy to capture and show them on video.
    You know, for the spread of all lies and misinformation, you need to be punished.
    I’m sure it’s a lie of the USA to humiliate Russian Orthodox Christians, Russia Russian Orthodox Christian, the people of Russia Russian Orthodox Christian before the whole world. Throw a lie and then show that Russians, Russia can’t do anything. Show Russian Orthodox Christians, Russia Russian Orthodox-weak. Why Russian Orthodox Christians, Russia Russian Orthodox Christian PMC ??? Russian Orthodox Christians, Russia Russian Orthodox Christian, people of Russia Russian Orthodox Christian, what are the aggressors-invaders?
    And, for that matter, why adopt the American name-PMC ??? For this, there have long been sabotage scouts.
    1. Stephen
      Stephen 18 February 2018 21: 30
      +1
      Dude, you don't seem to be all in yourself, woodpecker. Thinking baby.
  28. Vereshchagin
    Vereshchagin 16 February 2018 11: 17
    0
    Who is Wagner? Chief Rabbi of the Krasnoyarsk Territory?
  29. Mihachong
    Mihachong 16 February 2018 23: 52
    0
    True or false.
    The truth is always one, especially the one that was said first. And then everyone, to the best of his depravity and education, eats spaghetti. The media are doing their job, which they said to do. They said to drip, then ....
    Or lies such a name means to kill two or even three birds with one stone. Here we observe both the politics and the mood of citizens. Just remember the quote from the movie "Brother"
  30. Ilya_Nsk
    Ilya_Nsk 18 February 2018 12: 44
    0
    Why are they all so alarmed? As if the battalion of the Russian army was down there?
    The guys wanted to steal a looter, thinking that they would fight with an ultramodern weapon against a handful of natives driven into a corner, here they are - turntables, and last MANPAD they drank and two smelly DShKs remained last week. grind because I consider mercenary disgrace as prostitution. No one in the RF Ministry of Defense or in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs can even move a finger to say something to someone, not something to do. Bottom line, intelligence - rubbish, relations with the locals who passed them - rubbish, equipment - rubbish. The Russians do not go to PMCs, unsweetened bread from them.
    1. w70
      w70 20 February 2018 07: 27
      0
      And who goes to this PMC? Some criminals who will not be taken anywhere else
  31. Stephen
    Stephen 18 February 2018 21: 27
    0
    Oh, well, clowning. What is clowning? We have PMC "Wagner" by itself appeared when it is prohibited by law. It is expressly forbidden. That’s because special services have nothing to do with it. Naturally, PMCs receive weapons through Syrian structures or some other. BUT doesn’t this weapon come specifically for PMCs?))) The XNUMXst century is already, and in the old way it will no longer be possible to hang noodles. Many people understand already. with whose help and why this PMC was created.
  32. 100ik
    100ik 20 February 2018 08: 21
    0
    Where did the "experts" get 200 people in the company ?! It seems on the record you hear "in one company about 50 people" two hundredth. "Immediately .."
  33. dantor
    dantor 20 February 2018 10: 29
    0
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gai2dHMwQRw&t
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  35. Iosif stalin
    Iosif stalin 21 February 2018 06: 32
    0
    Shamefully smashed into the trash of the military who fought in eastern Ukraine. This is a Russian soldier painted. The pride of Russian imperialism is clearly visible. Seen in comments cynicism rolls over. When the Turks shot down the plane, everyone stood on their hind legs and now hundreds of dead Russians and nothing ... So they died for the interests of their country. So we regret one pilot, but what kind of bread for their children threw themselves into the fire to spit on these? Imperial show-offs do not roll there. As it was given in the face in the dry and now stupid excuses like this is a lie you are lying and so on heard. A shame.
  36. Rem
    Rem 22 February 2018 20: 31
    0
    https://www.google.co.il/search? ========= Это, как вы догадались наш пожизненный Президент. Рядом с президентом - двое Героев России и двое четырёхкратных кавалеров орденов Мужества. По комплекту наград это герои из героев, но их имена в окологосударственной прессе отсутствуют. Мы готовы документально подтвердить, что на фото - командиры частного батальона, ставшего известным как ЧВК Вагнера. Бродяга, Седой, Вагнер и Ратибор окружили президента. Вчера Трошин ( командир ЧВК) признал гибель 14 бойцов своего подразделения в последнем бою. Захарова (МИД России), прод давлением общественности признала - 4. А МО России отмежевалось вообще от причастности к гибели россиян. А, если я не ошибаюсь во времени, вчера Жириновский в предвыборной беседе с электоратом сказал - около трёхсот. Одностранцы, Правительство держит свой народ за . Примечание: не на всех сайтах ссылка срабатывает, а значит необходимо в поисковике Гугл написать: фото Путин Бродяга Седой Вагнер и Ротибор.
  37. Rem
    Rem 22 February 2018 20: 50
    0
    Foreigners who want to delve deeper into the truth and falsehood regarding Russian mercenaries (PMC Wagner) and personally determine their attitude towards them, read the materials of the investigation of the online newspaper "Fontanka, ru)