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On the revival of the mentoring system in Russia. There is a chance?

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"... to the base, and then ..." This phrase from a famous march may well claim to be the motto, which, fortunately or unfortunately, often reflects reality. Moreover, “to the ground” with the subsequent construction is one thing, and when nothing appears after the “to the ground”, and the ruins have to be seen, it is quite another. One example of the embodiment of only the first part of this slogan is the Gorbachev restructuring, the “fruits” of which make themselves felt even three decades after the apogee of its incarnation.


Under the perestroika slogans about updating and accelerating, such ideas and solutions began to be pushed, which ultimately destroyed a huge country, and with it the security system, education, industry ... the list goes on.
Now the proposals from the series “but not whether to restore what has been dismantled” are voiced - that which at one time gave positive results. Offers of this kind are rare, but the very fact that the idea of ​​a local revival still comes to the heads of federal officials is encouraging.

As examples from the already implemented: the revival of the TRP system (albeit in a rather raw form, but still), the creation of a support system for talented young people, the popularization of military service (even 15-20 years ago, the service itself was almost as “slavish duty”), the restoration of many honorary names of military units and formations, the re-creation of the title “Hero of Labor”. Yes, this is just a small part of what can and should be restored for further development, but a start has been made.

Recently, a new proposal was voiced that concerns the restoration of another Soviet practice. We are talking about the proposal of the first deputy head of the presidential administration Sergei Kiriyenko. Kiriyenko, who, after getting into the administration of the head of state, clearly managed to pick up a media weight, offers to recreate a system of mentoring and support in the country. At the same time, Kiriyenko himself says that Vladimir Putin "prompted" such an idea to him.

From the statement of the first deputy head (quotes IA Interfax):
Our task is to revive that unique mentoring system, which, we must pay tribute, was formed by our predecessors in the Soviet years. The whole system of work to support mentoring should become permanent and will bring tremendous results for thousands of boys and girls. (...) It is practically impossible to name a single area of ​​our country, especially that it is a breakthrough task to which you can move without mentoring.


The mentoring system itself was virtually destroyed along with the Soviet Union. However, its islands continued to survive in a format that, when building a market, was clearly out of the “general economic concept”. This is primarily about mentoring in the vocational and technical sphere of education, where in the Russian Federation the concept of “master-mentor” or one of the derivatives - “master of industrial training” continued to exist. However, some time ago, due to the next stage of educational reform, vocational schools were ordered to live for a long time, which young people not only trained workers in specialties, but also (which is no less relevant) tried as much as possible in modern conditions to bring up from »Representatives of the younger generation of members of society who are able to find their rightful place in this society. It turned out in different ways, but the fact is that a truly colossal work was carried out - moreover, the work was based on the very Soviet (undisturbed) model.

On the revival of the mentoring system in Russia. There is a chance?


Today, vocational education is reduced to the functioning of technical schools with two levels of education — workers — professions (in fact, an elementary vocational level) and specialties (medium vocational level). At the same time, the state itself cannot decide whether to call mentors mentors or use much more sophisticated Western options - all kinds of “tutors” in order to attract more attention and popularize. Here are just popularizing what?

Now, apparently, common sense begins to take its own (at least, one would like to hope for it), and therefore comes the understanding that you can use beautiful and incomprehensible words as much as you like, but this is definitely not a criterion for improving the quality of learning.

And the mentoring system is a product of the USSR itself, which for many years has been slinging ultra-liberal elites. This product was formed in the 20-30 years of the last century, which we have referred to as referred to only as the years of the “big terror”. In fact, the 20-30 years also became years when the country built a system of transfer of experience and knowledge not only in the format of the educational process itself, but also in production, in other sectors of the economy and social activities.

The very idea of ​​restoring mentoring is undoubtedly good. However, there is one nuance: how viable is it in market conditions?

Here it is worth considering the following fact: the contest “Leaders in Mentoring Practices” ended the other day. During the competition, winners were revealed, who were promised to make their future mentors such future mentors as ministers of the federal government and major businessmen. In addition, each winner received a 1 million rubles in the form of a grant.

As you can see, the system may not be revived in the previous version - the market dictates its own laws. And these laws are that mentors immediately try to associate with money. Perhaps this is for today's realities - the most suitable option, and it can become the golden mean in raising a worthy specialist against the background of the cultivation of a consumer society. But this initiative has a downside: if you act only with such an approach, will the new mentoring become an option exclusively for the elites? Is the state ready to return mentoring in the mass plan? After all, the country needs not only, forgive, effective managers, who will be taken under the wing of other managers. The economy howls without a sufficient number of professional fitters, millers, machinists, doctors, engineers, designers.

If the idea has appeared, then you need to go to the end in its implementation: mentoring should be a mass phenomenon, and not an exception from the market rules for a tick before the elections. And the mass mentoring system involves the promotion of mentors themselves - and here the financial component is quite relevant. As relevant and systematic, and not just one-time contests.
Information has appeared that the Ministry of Labor, the Ministry of Education and Science and the Ministry of Industry and Trade have begun to work out the relevant issues. It is necessary to follow the results.
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  1. Vard
    Vard 14 February 2018 06: 41
    +1
    The idea is good ... But I remember that in many ways it was formal ... And the fact that they remembered about money .. It's good .. And when it is free, it annoys ...
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 14 February 2018 06: 47
      +10
      Quote: Vard
      The idea is good ..

      they had an "idea" from the fact that vocational schools had almost disappeared, so they had to come up with a learning method. only young people are not eager to work in production this time, and where are the production facilities? - these are two. here we have two large factories finished (at all) and naturally the vocational school also died ...
      1. vladimirZ
        vladimirZ 14 February 2018 07: 30
        +6
        ... young people are not eager to work in production this time, and where is production? - these are two. here we have two large factories finished (at all) and naturally the vocational school also died ... - Andrei Yuryevich

        Right on target. Correctly. Before creating the institution of mentoring for the profession, it is necessary to create mass industrial production, millions of jobs. But this is not.
        Therefore, the mentoring undertaking, under the conditions of raw capitalism, is a failure. Again Kiriyenko is weird.
        1. Chertt
          Chertt 14 February 2018 08: 06
          +3
          Quote: vladimirZ
          Before creating the institution of mentoring for the profession, it is necessary to create mass industrial production

          Think, because the creation of enterprises and specialists in these industries, the process is inextricable, and passing at the same time. This is a departure from "raw capitalism."
          1. vladimirZ
            vladimirZ 14 February 2018 12: 04
            +2
            Think, because the creation of enterprises and specialists in these industries, the process is inextricable, and passing at the same time. This is a departure from "raw capitalism." - Chertt

            Where is this massive process of "creating enterprises" - a new industrialization? He is not here. Instead, I send the reserve funds of Russia to the United States, investing in American papers, essentially in the US economy, instead of Russia.
            1. Chertt
              Chertt 14 February 2018 12: 09
              0
              Quote: vladimirZ
              Where is this massive enterprise creation process

              Not as fast as we would like.
              https://sdelanounas.ru
              http://rus.vrw.ru
              I am sure you will like it
              1. vladimirZ
                vladimirZ 14 February 2018 12: 54
                +3
                Not as fast as we would like. - Chertt

                I repeat once again, where is mass industrial production - a new industrialization that raises Russia from its knees?
                The gross product of industrial production falls from year to year. Fixed assets of production are aging and do not provide the desired efficiency. Machine tool construction as the basis for future industrial construction of factories is completely destroyed and is not being restored.
                What kind of shifts are you writing about? They are not here. As there is no planned program of mass industrial construction - new industrialization. And it cannot be under the current Putin financial policy, when it is impossible to take long-term development loans, when enterprises are suffocating from a lack of finance.
                You do not know that most Russian industrial manufacturers moved their production to China, from there they receive finished products and sculpt only their Russian labels? Ask some sellers in stores.
        2. forester
          forester 14 February 2018 09: 10
          +1
          Quote: vladimirZ
          ... young people are not eager to work in production this time, and where is production? - these are two. here we have two large factories finished (at all) and naturally the vocational school also died ... - Andrei Yuryevich

          Right on target. Correctly. Before creating the institution of mentoring for the profession, it is necessary to create mass industrial production, millions of jobs. But this is not.
          Therefore, the mentoring undertaking, under the conditions of raw capitalism, is a failure. Again Kiriyenko is weird.

          I agree - and all this comes from the fact that seemingly sound initiatives come from those who raised nothing heavier than a spoon
        3. Petr1968
          Petr1968 14 February 2018 14: 24
          0
          Quote: vladimirZ
          Before creating the institution of mentoring for the profession, it is necessary to create mass industrial production, millions of jobs.

          Mass production ... what do you want to create? Chapelnikov?
        4. Sotskiy
          Sotskiy 14 February 2018 23: 40
          +1
          Quote: vladimirZ
          Right on target. Correctly. Before creating the institution of mentoring for the profession, it is necessary to create mass industrial production, millions of jobs.

          And with the current system, nobody needs it.
          We have "optimization" according to Medvedev, devaluation according to Nabiulina and education according to Fursenko.
          All the delights of finding a place for practical training were shoved onto the student himself or on the "private trader".
          Here's a "joke" in life: They sent two of their specialists to improve the skills of repairing highly specialized equipment to the manufacturer. Our arrived, and they were given a “lecture” in the class for 5 days that they already knew and wrote out “crusts”. To the question: "What about practical exercises, work on stands, practical application of the technological process?" We got the answer: "There have been no stands for a long time, the stand specialists are the same. And anyway, the plant is changing its" strategic priorities "in connection with production optimization and payback ..... Questions? Here it is," the hand of the market "!))) The industry is stupid is dying!
          The topic of mentoring is not just relevant, it is simply flashy, but whatever our “reformers” do, translates the arrows from summer to winter time back and forth in a circle and “develop” budget funds in connection with a new article for “cutting”.
          So all these "calls for revival" are another populism for raising "authority" among the people. This is like Putin’s annual concern since 2000 about an annual increase in fuel prices. There are concerns, there is no downgrade. In general, I do not believe in their "noble" undertakings.
    2. batiscaf1
      batiscaf1 14 February 2018 08: 04
      +4
      Acc. At least a small amount would be paid. Many newly arrived pensioners would gladly take up the leadership of the circles - from air-radio modeling to cutting and sewing.
      1. a.sirin
        a.sirin 14 February 2018 11: 34
        0
        Himself not funny? Modern “airborne radio modeling” requires knowledge and understanding of Arduino and programming. Pensioners know this?
        1. sxfRipper
          sxfRipper 14 February 2018 22: 25
          +2
          Some yes hi
        2. kromwell
          kromwell 18 February 2018 13: 46
          +1
          Not everywhere IT "peered". Arduino on a rubber-engine glider is somewhat useless. Everything has its place. Or in a ceramic mug you also need to introduce 14 micron technology?
    3. siberalt
      siberalt 14 February 2018 08: 17
      +3
      Grants to cut the matter is not tricky. But who is going to instruct anyone? Really Oreshkin and the company? belay
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 14 February 2018 10: 01
        +2
        It was not necessary to destroy ... at not the previous "commanders" but today, they are the same!
        They want ???? show that they are not the same as the old ones, restore right now, and then chat. promise all the best.
    4. NordUral
      NordUral 14 February 2018 22: 01
      +4
      The idea is only suitable for another social system. These only work well mentoring in the thieves. They are not capable of more.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 15 February 2018 08: 17
        0
        We won’t argue at a stand, this is a personal attitude, and mentoring is not the prerogative of only socialism. In a different form, this method appeared a long time ago and is very effective.
        In the Land of Soviets, this form was very widely developed, the craftsmen did not have to hide their secrets, such as inheriting, that was the incentive for the development of mentoring ... it went through itself. They taught, then he taught ... letters, prizes, honor and respect, plus young specialists quickly and efficiently entered the work.
        1. basmach
          basmach 15 February 2018 11: 12
          +1
          So they answered the question about the system. Under capitalism, it makes no sense to be a mentor, and suddenly you are preparing a competitor for yourself, He will grow up a bit and push you out. And so the less specialists, the better for you as a specialist, Minimum competition. Nothing personal just business.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 15 February 2018 11: 59
            0
            Capitalism is not such a primitive system, we will not have any illusions, it also develops in form, but not in its essence of course.
            Mentoring at enterprises exists now, I train young people and prizes myself, I received other accruals for this. The official status in the order for the enterprise is not Khukhra Mukhra, they throw up a little money and use it for production. So far there have been no pre-retirement moods or hints. There is a specificity though, very specialized equipment, there are simply no such specialists in the service and they really do not cook anywhere.
            So I will not say that everything is normal with us everywhere and in everything.
            I want to note that, according to the conviction of the Soviet, I will be engaged in training no matter what.
  2. Vladivostok1969
    Vladivostok1969 14 February 2018 06: 46
    +3
    Is it possible to take an oligarch as a mentor? Their pain really hurts me. repeat
    1. Freeman
      Freeman 14 February 2018 08: 27
      +2
      Quote: Vladivostok1969
      Is it possible to take an oligarch as a mentor? Their pain really hurts me. repeat

      Be afraid of your desires. No. laughing
    2. ul_vitalii
      ul_vitalii 14 February 2018 08: 30
      +8
      You can, just get infected from them and we will miss you on the forum. smile
      1. Vladivostok1969
        Vladivostok1969 14 February 2018 08: 34
        +2
        I agree. This is not being treated. It’s better somewhere here with you. laughing
    3. NordUral
      NordUral 14 February 2018 22: 14
      +3
      They are already in line for you. Just make sure that it doesn’t work out like on this table.

      With these mentors only such a result will be. And in Korea, at the Olympics of asthmatics and cocktail lovers, this will only be so.
  3. Vladivostok1969
    Vladivostok1969 14 February 2018 06: 57
    +5
    Mentoring is the second stage of training. In the USSR, a young man received a professional education (no matter higher or secondary) and distributed to the enterprise, where he continued his studies with a mentor. Now there’s nothing to talk about. Where do we have the distribution? Almost all educational institutions they are fulfilling the VALU plan. Students are being taught for money. More than a thousand sailors, minders, electricians are released annually in Vladivostok (junior staff). But they even have nowhere to go to practice. And at the outpost there are 30 vacancies for work at sea (captains, starpoms, etc.) So where take a mentor? I KNOW. The loader Uncle Kolya will set the right path. hi
    1. Sotskiy
      Sotskiy 14 February 2018 23: 57
      +1
      Quote: Vladivostok1969
      But they even have nowhere to go through the practice. And at the outpost there are 30 vacancies for work at sea (captains, starpoms, etc.) So where to get a mentor? I KNOW. Uncle Kolya, the loader, will set the right path.

      Exactly!
      And then the newly-made specialists are drowning in bundles, because they cannot distinguish a ballast pump from a turbine! Plus the teachings. Previously, almost every week a combat patch was fired through the stern, but now does not know where he saved. The vest is lying.
  4. HEATHER
    HEATHER 14 February 2018 07: 15
    +4
    In ROSATOM it didn’t stop. At least two old-timers are always taking care of the young man. Although he’s only one mentor, a successful denyushka falls upon successful passing of exams as a mentor. Nobody has failed yet. We are driving the young not childishly.
    1. Vladivostok1969
      Vladivostok1969 14 February 2018 07: 29
      +1
      Well, we will not draw parallels between Rosatom and Kiriyenko.
      1. ul_vitalii
        ul_vitalii 14 February 2018 07: 47
        +9
        In the energy sector, also internships.
      2. HEATHER
        HEATHER 15 February 2018 06: 33
        0
        Do you have something against Kiriyenko? If possible, explain.
    2. alstr
      alstr 14 February 2018 10: 18
      0
      In fact, mentoring in one form or another is present in all more or less adequate companies. He was just well disguised in new terms.
      I am generally silent about production - there it is in the order of things.
      1. Sotskiy
        Sotskiy 15 February 2018 00: 05
        +2
        Quote: alstr
        I am generally silent about production - there it is in the order of things.

        Come on?)
        I frighten my people with recertification so that at least somehow I gain knowledge. And if there is no desire to raise your professional level, at least raise your salary, at least not, no mentor will help, which for the most part has already died out like mammoths.
        1. alstr
          alstr 15 February 2018 10: 00
          0
          A simple question: Do you immediately let a new employee into free swimming or do you still instruct and control it for some time?
          Here is the introduction of a new employee in the post and there is the simplest option of mentoring.

          In addition, I know a lot of IT (well, I work there) companies that take students and raise them to a decent level of specialists.
          1. Sotskiy
            Sotskiy 15 February 2018 11: 03
            0
            Quote: alstr
            A simple question: Do you immediately let a new employee into free swimming or do you still instruct and control it for some time?

            I understood you.
            Naturally, grinding in the team, to the mode of work, the specifics of work, the “run-in” of the employee takes place in a trial period of 2-3 months, depending on qualifications.
            But this is not mentoring, do not confuse familiarization with production and raising the professional level, with the transfer of work experience and specialty features to veterans of the profession.
            1. kromwell
              kromwell 18 February 2018 13: 49
              0
              For a long, long time, a young fitter-assembler will be paired with an experienced one. I tell you this in fact - the production of chemical apparatus
  5. ul_vitalii
    ul_vitalii 14 February 2018 07: 49
    +8
    Mentoring in the kind and sincere film "Afonya" showed very well. smile
    1. Bumblebee_3
      Bumblebee_3 14 February 2018 08: 08
      +3
      ul_vitalii
      And I still remember my mentor with a kind word. He taught me for real, brought me to the "machine gun". I did the twisting of wires with my eyes closed, and if he sees that I have not removed the tension and delves into the shield, a slap is provided.
  6. bandabas
    bandabas 14 February 2018 08: 28
    +2
    Is that a "kinder surprise"? Himself took part in the destruction, and he himself revives? Oh well.
    1. Ehanatone
      Ehanatone 14 February 2018 17: 40
      -1
      Babadaba
      Why do you need to carry nonsense, Kiriyenko is involved in the collapse of the economy as well as penguins in Antarctica
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 14 February 2018 22: 17
      +1
      Kiriyenko was framed.
    3. HEATHER
      HEATHER 15 February 2018 06: 36
      0
      Himself took part in the destruction, and he himself revives? But is it nothing that Vladilenich lifted the country's nuclear industry out of cesspools? Sometimes take an interest in what he did and how. He alone admitted his mistake in the 90s. However, thanks to him, ROSATOM was on his feet.
  7. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 14 February 2018 10: 55
    +3
    There is a chance?

    "Chance" - no. I will never forget the words of an old worker who completely refused to teach “a substitute for himself”: “Who is .... b, let him teach.” Times have changed, everyone who could find application for their work holds on to a place and is not intentional to train their competitors. I remember when they wrote that at one enterprise they wanted to attract pensioners to this, so the workers immediately warned these pensioners about "increased injuries on the sidewalks and about expensive medicines in pharmacies" - everyone immediately got sick of sharing their experience with young people ...
    1. Bumblebee_3
      Bumblebee_3 14 February 2018 11: 46
      0
      Monster_Fat
      Boris, you are wrong! (with). I think so! (with). If I’m not mistaken, one oriental wisdom says: “A true master prepares a student!” Whatever the case, with the master. Apparently, you are not lucky with mentors and teachers in life. My mentor treated me like his son and did not see me as a competitor! By the way, I also remember my teachers at the institute now only with kind words, although they drove us in such a way that we “squeaked”.
    2. bandabas
      bandabas 14 February 2018 16: 06
      +2
      In the afternoon with fire, you can’t find anyone who wants to learn. Most want at once, a lot and nothing to do. And then the planes fall.
      1. sxfRipper
        sxfRipper 14 February 2018 22: 38
        +1
        Ouch ... It just so happened that for the last 4 years I have been dragging the State catalog of geographical names of Russia alone. Both server and clients (Oracle PL / SQL, C ++). And the data is entered / edited by boys aged 25-30. And even if only one came and asked - how does it finally work?
        Yes, the specialty in the diploma is the chemical technology of glass and glass, MHTI, 1979 repeat
        Programming began at the Design Bureau of the State Institute of Glass, MK calculators, and then the super-duper (for those times) - Iskra-1030 fellow In the position of lead designer. And not in the instrumentation department, but in the heat engineering ... Just something took for the testicles - why can someone? And what am I - the grayness is not scratched ???
        And THIS - everything is to the waist ... They will be buried in the mobile phone - and to hell in the village ... I understand that not all of them are everywhere and they are SUCH. But it doesn’t get any easier.
  8. shuravi
    shuravi 14 February 2018 11: 51
    +8
    These constant initiatives with attempts to introduce the best practices of socialism in the capitalist economy are surprised.
    With the same success, you can implement the nodes and units of the Tu-160 on the An-2.
    Although, behind all this beautiful wrapper, the banal desire of our capitalists to get trained personnel for free. After all, after the Soviet Union, among other things, the mass of engineers and professional workers who were ready to work for a meager salary also went to it. What a laf!
    And now it is over. So our capitalists were indignant. Now they have to forget about new yachts, expensive cars for children and invest in staff training? No, they do not agree to this.
    Rather, they will offer some modernized version of serfdom.
    1. bandabas
      bandabas 14 February 2018 16: 08
      +1
      There is already an option. The name is import- outsourcing.
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 14 February 2018 22: 21
      +1
      These constant initiatives with attempts to introduce the best practices of socialism in the capitalist economy are surprised.

      Exactly! Only not in the capitalist, but perversely feudal with the attempts of transition to a slave-owning economy.
    3. sxfRipper
      sxfRipper 14 February 2018 22: 43
      +1
      As for the professional workers I will not say. But the fact that they spawned an order of magnitude more .... not, not engineers, but people with diplomas - that's YES! But everyone was surpassed by the percentage of people with higher education. And with the corresponding consequences - from repeated duplication of developments (mainly on the shelf) to salary. Just don’t need to remember the Doctor’s Doctorate in Elisha at 2.20 per kg - the Elisha were only in Moscow and St. Petersburg. About sausage trains I will not flood.
      1. alstr
        alstr 15 February 2018 10: 41
        0
        People with diplomas were bred in the USSR. According to statistics, something like about 80% of the working population had an education not lower than secondary specialized (i.e. vocational schools and technical schools).
  9. Curious
    Curious 14 February 2018 12: 53
    +6
    Another noodle on the ears of the electorate. Exploitation of historical heritage to ensure a comfortable existence of a parallel world.
  10. Lexus
    Lexus 14 February 2018 13: 56
    +3
    Return to the XIX century? Following the "zemstvo doctors"?
    There was a wonderful Soviet system of training through vocational schools and worthy motivation of workers.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 14 February 2018 22: 22
      +3
      The Soviet system can be applied only in the Soviet, but not thieves.
      1. gladcu2
        gladcu2 14 February 2018 22: 46
        0
        The Soviet system can be implemented within large corporations. With the right approach. The problem is that the vast majority of managers have no idea what it is at all.

        Reading the comments, it seems to me that the only one in the world who understands how socialism-communism works.
      2. Sotskiy
        Sotskiy 15 February 2018 00: 11
        +1
        Quote: NordUral
        The Soviet system can be applied only in the Soviet, but not thieves.

        Exactly!
        good good good
    2. sxfRipper
      sxfRipper 14 February 2018 22: 48
      +1
      You definitely noticed - the motivation of the workers. I have nothing against them, my dad was a master in the cold processing of metal (turner, milling machine, etc ...). But I remember very well how my friend’s father-in-law (also a pro with a capital letter) didn’t want to understand that this one is x .... well, you must first imagine it in your mind, then in the working drawings (I don’t have any intermediate stages) and only then it will be his turn!
  11. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 14 February 2018 14: 10
    +4
    Alexei, do not hope for it! With the wild liberal capitalism that prevails in the yard, when everyone is against everyone, these systems will not even take root in a transformed form! To do this, it is necessary to change the socio-economic paradigm in the country !!!
  12. Vladivostok1969
    Vladivostok1969 14 February 2018 14: 16
    +2
    We didn’t have time to discuss the news at the forum A forum of mentors is already underway. They are already looking for applicants for grants of 1000000 rubles. Quickly! But they tell us that there is no money. There is no money for certain things. But there are THESE to give them to the right places.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 14 February 2018 22: 23
      +3
      The main thing is at the right time.
  13. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman 14 February 2018 16: 03
    +2
    Not a. First you need to decide on the general course! And then the right hand will not know what the left is doing!
  14. dgonni
    dgonni 14 February 2018 18: 26
    +3
    Pure nonsense. Mentoring in the 30s was necessary due to the low education of newly arrived workers in the realities of the first five-year plans. Then in the union an excellent system of labor faculty was built and then vocational schools! Anyone who wanted to study came in principle as a normal hard worker with the necessary level of knowledge and skills. In the days of capitalism, no one will teach the young for their skills and abilities in this way, for this is the bread and the wages of the one who teaches. Plus, in parallel, the loss of time, which can be converted into the same money when working on a profile.
    1. vindigo
      vindigo 14 February 2018 20: 13
      +2
      That is yes. In all vacancies, we want with experience.
  15. Black joe
    Black joe 14 February 2018 19: 46
    +1
    The system is good
    There is only one skeleton left from the current civilian economy
    Or already fragments thereof?
  16. vindigo
    vindigo 14 February 2018 20: 21
    +2
    In the production of mentoring will never be. No one will breed competitors. Himself on this burned.
    1. kromwell
      kromwell 18 February 2018 13: 57
      0
      Solved this problem. Terror Introduced uncomfortable floating shifts, paid, but reworked. They said - you will not raise "competitors" - die at work. Well, or quit. It was in May - people wanted to plant potatoes. Total a couple of people quit. One filed a complaint against us, but we reprimanded him a couple of times and spoiled the labor. In general, now the guys are prompted, shown, tightened.
      1. vindigo
        vindigo 18 February 2018 14: 44
        +1
        Well done! From this "mentoring" I realized that you need to rely only on your mind and quick wits. Nobody will help you, but I don’t want to listen to insults. Whatever you ask of these "mentors", the answer is "what stupid youth" and "what do you learn at universities?"
  17. Ivan58
    Ivan58 14 February 2018 21: 06
    +3
    Especially good mentors for their children Ivanov, Patrushev, Rogozin and other, other, other ...
  18. NordUral
    NordUral 14 February 2018 21: 59
    +1
    The idea is good, but only its implementation is possible only in a truly social state. I do not see such a point blank in our country. I think that its realization will become possible with the victory of the team of Grudinin, the Communist Party and all the patriotic forces of the country. We think and vote!
    1. sxfRipper
      sxfRipper 14 February 2018 22: 49
      0
      We are thinking. And you - vote for the owner of ZAO Lenin State Farm. What is the problem?
      Threat - you have on the avatar Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin. You and your Grudinin "either remove the cross or put on your underpants!" ©
  19. gladcu2
    gladcu2 14 February 2018 22: 41
    +1
    Capitalism is a system that uses primitive moral flaws: deceit, meanness, fear, envy, selfishness. The tool is competition. There is no exchange of information, because there is no trust between people. No development, degradation occurs.

    Socialism is a system based on higher moral values. Knowledge - forms honesty, integrity, courage, patriotism, fidelity. As a result, there is a free exchange of information between people. Socialism exploits the education system. As a result of the free exchange of information, development and planning take place.

    The competitive mentoring system, when unemployment exists, will not work. In competition there is no exchange of experience.
    1. sxfRipper
      sxfRipper 14 February 2018 22: 53
      0
      With competition, brains develop. A monopoly leads to decay. Not I said.
      1. Sotskiy
        Sotskiy 15 February 2018 00: 20
        +2
        Quote: sxfRipper
        With competition, brains develop. A monopoly leads to decay. Not I said.

        And to see what happens in practice, and not in theory?) Are we developing?)))
    2. Sotskiy
      Sotskiy 15 February 2018 00: 18
      +2
      Quote: gladcu2
      Socialism is a system based on higher moral values.

      That is why we were divorced as suckers in the 90s on our moral values. Everyone believed that all over the world all people are brothers! Peace, friendship, chewing gum.
      1. sxfRipper
        sxfRipper 15 February 2018 09: 57
        0
        It's hard to argue!
  20. naidas
    naidas 16 February 2018 16: 14
    0
    When optimizing everything and everything in the presence of effective managers, mentoring is utopia.
    1. kromwell
      kromwell 18 February 2018 13: 59
      0
      It is during optimization that this is not utopia. It works for us.
  21. Radikal
    Radikal 19 February 2018 00: 59
    +1
    Information has appeared that the Ministry of Labor, the Ministry of Education and Science and the Ministry of Industry and Trade have begun to work out the relevant issues. It is necessary to follow the results.
    Everything will be, as always - sheer profanity, overorganization, formalism, and fake reporting! Can anyone here name at least one such good undertaking of the current government, which would be successfully developed? sad
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 19 February 2018 09: 35
      +1
      It is disgusting to be aware, but absolutely agree.
      Another zilch and talking room!