Russian military kidnapped on the border with the Crimea in Kiev sentenced to prison terms

A Ukrainian court found Russian servicemen Alexander Baranov and Maxim Odintsov abducted by the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) in November 2016 of the year on the border with Crimea, guilty of desertion and high treason. This was announced by their lawyer Valentin Rybin

The Podolsky district court of Kiev found Baranov guilty, he was sentenced to 13 years of imprisonment, now we have received a copy of the sentence. Darnitskiy district court of Kiev sentenced Odintsov to 14 years in prison

- said Rybin.

Rybin said that preparing appeals against the verdict

November 21 The Russian Defense Ministry’s 2016 announced the abduction of two Russian soldiers by the SSU officers. The next day they were arrested by a Ukrainian court.

It later became known that the SBU officers lured Russian contract servicemen to the Dzhankoy checkpoint, allegedly to hand over documents of higher education, where they were detained. Both military men were charged with desertion from the Ukrainian army and treason.

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[Loess]

It seems recently caught a spy. Can exchange?

[Sam_gosling]

It will never end. Ukrainians will catch the entangled border guards / military / garbage, our saboteurs / divergences / insurgents.

[Shurik70]

I believe that you can find out the names of those involved in the abduction, everything is for sale in Ukraine now. And then it is necessary to ensure that these abductors appear before the Russian court. This is important for the prestige of the country.
And the guys really need to be exchanged for someone. I should ask the Donbasites who committed a crime in Russia from prisoners, to demand, for an exchange, a couple of dozen for two I think is enough. If the uproar in the Ukrainian media is to raise "the damned Muscovites keep in the dungeons of our lads"
In no case do not pay with money, otherwise there will be many abductions

[Logall]

Namesake , you propose a deal! Still to the ears of those holding power to convey ...

[Andrey K]

Logall

...Namesake , you propose a deal! Still to the ears of those holding power to convey ...

Then I remembered the recent past:

... on the night of August 4, 2014, 438 Ukrainian troops crossed into Russia and turned to Russian border guards with a request for asylum. Among the 164 Ukrainian border guards who crossed the border ...

About the gratitude of not the authorities, ukrovoyak in the person of their Moscow Region, you can not say - the "answer" is visual.
In May 2015, two Togliatti residents were hooked: Yerofeyev and Aleksandrov - curled up, got angry.
In November 2016, Crimean contract guards - border guards.
But we are humane ...

[Antares]

Quote: Andrey K

In May 2015, two Togliatti residents were hooked: Yerofeyev and Aleksandrov - curled up, got angry.

exchanged for Hope (they were similarly “pissed off” over it) by the way, the commandos were treated and taken in battle, with losses. They didn’t kill him, they captured him, they treated him and sent him home.
And the courts are similar, terrorists / terrorist who with a saw who could on the pillars without hands, etc.

Quote: Andrey K

In November 2016, Crimean contract guards - border guards.

In the Russian Federation, they would have slapped similarly. And then everyone would applaud.
In Crimea, Ukrainians were arrested, just enough for an exchange. Ukraine wants to exchange all Sentsova. You can offer. There are 26 people, a similar amount in the Russian Federation. In general, each other's partners are standing. And we are invited to hate each other.

[The black]

Quote: Shurik70

And the guys really need to be exchanged for someone

It is necessary to exchange. Yes, they only had to think with their heads when they went to neutral to meet ..... they themselves set up and let down the commanders ... From a legal point of view, here we have nothing to present unfortunately - they really were previously Ukrainian soldiers.

[Shurik70]

Quote: Black

Yes, only they had to think with their heads when they went to the neutral for a meeting ..... they set themselves up and let down the commanders

Well, dumbasses are young ... Passes with age, especially after such lessons

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Black

It is necessary to exchange. Yes, they only had to think with their heads when they went to neutral to meet ..... they themselves set up and let down the commanders ... From a legal point of view, here we have nothing to present unfortunately - they really were previously Ukrainian soldiers.

An illegitimate change of power exempts a soldier from the oath.
So, they did not commit any crime against Ukraine and are not subject to trial.

[The black]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

An illegitimate change of power exempts a soldier from the oath.
So, they did not commit any crime against Ukraine and are not subject to trial.

I will gladly support you. Yes, only the fact is clear - they were CONDEMNED ...

[revnagan]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

An illegitimate change of power exempts a soldier from the oath.

And where, in which Code of Laws is it written? Or did you just decide so fast?

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: revnagan

And where, in which Code of Laws is it written? Or did you just decide so fast?

I will by no means affirm that I am an expert in jurisprudence, but you must admit, if there is someone who appoints himself an IO of the supreme, a position which is not recorded in any charter, then why should I obey him? And if tomorrow again, as a result of some watered. cataclysm will come another and declare himself supreme, what am I supposed to obey him? Power changed as a result of elections? No. So the oath is not valid. And it was invalid until the President was elected, and hence the Supreme. And those guys moved to the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation before the legitimate President appeared. Hence, I think that they are not to blame for the violation of the oath.

[The black]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Hence, I think that they are not to blame for the violation of the oath.

But the Ukrainian court thinks differently. (Unfortunately)

[KaPToC]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Power changed as a result of elections? No. So the oath is not valid.

You swore not to the president

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: KaPToC

You swore not to the president

Actually, I swore allegiance to my people, my homeland - the USSR, and my government. By the order of which, brought to me by my commanders, I am obliged, etc. There was no sovereign at that time. And with the advent of the supreme, everything changed. If then the orders were given by the legitimate government (it is clear that through the Minister of Defense, the General Staff, etc.) Today the orders are given by the legitimate Supreme (it is clear that through the Minister of Defense, the General Staff and further downward.) Officers in Crimea in 14 did not receive an order did not take any action. There was no one to receive it from.
Did they break the oath?

[KaPToC]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Actually, I swore allegiance to my people, my homeland - the USSR,

In this case, the phrase “you” is figurative, we are talking about those about whom the article is.

[Antares]

Quote: KaPToC

You swore not to the president

in the text of the oath about the president not a word. There is no parliament there

I, (nickname, I’m the one for the father), I enter on v_iskova
service and I swear orally to the Ukrainian people
virim i viddanim, defend Ukraine, seize її sovereignty,
Territorial value and incomplete, totally and honestly
vikonuvati vіyskiy obov'yazok, punish commanders
the Constitution of Ukraine is subject to the laws of Ukraine, zberigati
sovereign tamnitsyu.

there they swear allegiance to the people. According to the constitution, the bearer of sovereignty and the only source
power in Ukraine is the people.
Given the quality of our politicians and presidents ... they should not swear.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Antares

.

there they swear allegiance to the people. According to the constitution, the bearer of sovereignty and the only source
power in Ukraine is the people.

Antares, I can agree with you if you discard any logic. Well look -
= ... vikonuvati vіyskiy obov'yazok, punish the commanders,
the Constitution of Ukraine and the laws of Ukraine are =
1. When did Russia “occupy” Crimea, did the indicated fighters receive “punish commanders” to protect the territorial integrity of Ukraine? - No, they didn’t.
2. = ... extends to the Constitution of Ukraine ... = Was the Constitution of Ukraine violated on the Maidan? - Yes, it was.
3.You write - = ... the only source
power in Ukraine is the people. = Question to you - who has power? I will answer myself - the power of the one to whom they obey (voluntarily or under duress).
Question to you - Who obeys the people? Is the power represented by the president, government, various officials subordinate to the people as the only source of power? In no country in the world is a people a bearer of any kind of power. Hence, the oath to the people is a fiction. Oath of authority. And carry out her orders, and not the orders of some people there. - = ... viconuvati punish commanders, =
All talk about the people, this is all a primitive fool.
So the guys are absolutely right, they did not swear allegiance to the new government. And the new government judges them unlawfully.

[revnagan]

It’s not about submission to non-legitimate authorities. Do not like it, don’t obey. But the oath is not brought to the person representing the government in the state, but to the state. In addition, the world has recognized this power. Including, Russia has recognized. I’m still interested that’s the question: the international treaties guaranteeing the inviolability of the territory of Ukraine within certain borders were signed between states, and not between specific (legitimate, not legitimate) individuals, people, authorities. That is, according to the Budapest Treaty, the territorial integrity of Ukraine guaranteed several world powers (including Russia) in exchange for Ukraine’s refusal of nuclear weapons (in general terms, but so). It was not about legitimate, not legitimate power. And when Ukraine found itself in a difficult situation, the state that gave guarantees inviolability of the territory of Ukraine, renounces its guarantees, under the pretext: "your power is not legitimate, the memorandum is signed by the wrong hand, it costs nothing, and finally, you are all bored and . "Despite the fact that Russia itself recognized the Offal!

[Krasnoyarsk]

[quote = revnagan] That is, according to the Budapest Treaty, several world powers (including Russia) guaranteed the territorial integrity of Ukraine in exchange for Ukraine’s refusal of nuclear weapons (in general terms, but so). [/ quot
The Budapest Treaty has not been ratified by any of the signatory countries. So it’s not obligatory for execution. By the way, do you know that the USA was the initiator of the Budapest Treaty. And that Kuchma resisted this for a long time. But the Americans know how to twist their hands. But that's not the point. Considering this issue, we must recognize a certain legal conflict.
1. Regulation on the inviolability of borders.
2. On the right of a nation to self-determination
The first paragraph has been violated repeatedly long before 2014. You do not have to go far for an example. This is the unification of Germany and the fragmentation of Yugoslavia, and the capture of Israel and the annexation of parts of Syria. Examples, if desired, can still be found.
Now the second point. The right of a nation to self-determination. Is it a Russian nation? And the Russians living in Crimea, and their 67,9% of the total population of Crimea, is this a nation?
Is Ukrainians a nation? And Ukrainians living in Crimea, and their 15,68%, nation?
Crimean Tatars living in Crimea, and their 10,57%, this is a nation? And of all nationalities in the Crimea lives already 23. Do they have the right to self-determination? Do not forget about one more important point, until 2014. Crimea - Autonomous Republic. Having its own legislative body and its own government.
Now, with regard to the recognition of Poroshenko. I was not given to know who and what I was thinking there, but I believe that Russia recognized the Poroshenko Power for one single purpose - it was necessary to conduct a dialogue with someone. Russia was worried, and this is natural, the situation in the Donbass. In order to somehow “clear up” this situation, and Russia naturally did not want to do this by military force, all that remained was the path of negotiations. With whom? Of course with Ukraine. And who is the power there? Of course - Poroshenko. No tricks. Hence the recognition. Just please do not take my thoughts seriously. I, like you, do not have the entirety of information on all these issues. This is just my opinion. You may have it different. Share, I’ll be glad to get acquainted.

[antivirus]

to Kharkov to go on a business trip. who decided to send there?
it is easier to connect the East and the Center of the outskirts and all to Okhotsk (also the sea)

[AID.S]

Quote: Shurik70

I believe that you can find out the names of those involved in the abduction, everything is for sale in Ukraine now. And then it is necessary to ensure that these abductors appear before the Russian court.

Avakov. Send GRU special forces to Kiev, otherwise they have nothing to do.

[Logall]

Quote: Sam_gosling

divergents / insurgents.

Eda, how you suffered
We cannot protect our citizens, we cannot! The Yankees even rescue their enemies from captivity ... Example: pilot of a downed bomber in Yugoslavia!

[Sam_gosling]

The whole problem is that the authorities in Kiev still have significant levers of pressure and obtaining information in the Crimea and in the "mainland" Russia. Russia itself has exactly the same thing. Everyone knows about everyone, but they are limited only by pokes to the side. In principle, both sides are satisfied with this status quo, while ordinary Kuzmich’s suffer.

[210ox]

This will end. I hope. When our demolish this scum in Kiev .. Dreams .. damn it. Au! In the Kremlin!

Quote: Sam_gosling

It will never end. Ukrainians will catch the entangled border guards / military / garbage, our saboteurs / divergences / insurgents.

[Sam_gosling]

This is unrealistic. As Suvorov said, in order to win it is necessary to surprise. Compared to the 14th year, our "wonder girl" has shrunk and is somehow directed in the wrong direction.

[Thrall]

That's what the craving for knowledge does to people ...
One must be friends with one’s head, they themselves got on the rampage, the terms were inadequate, an expensive science turned out.

[avt]

Quote: Thrall

You need to be friends with your head

So the greed of frayers was ruined - they decided to raise more with diplomas in the service of the dough.

Quote: Finches

The muddy are all stories ..

Not a single meter. in the head on the meander of one for two, and that straight. Bought like suckers.

[Finches]

Muddy all these stories .... that’s what I’ll say about this! Here, father and mother die in Ukraine - children, soldiers of our army, are not allowed out of Russia ... but here are diplomas, some kind of garbage!

[Thrall]

The guys left diplomas quietly wanted to stir up.

[antivirus]

so our special officers threw? shtob themselves do not shine against "fake" diplomas

[oldseaman1957]

Quote: Finches

The muddy are all stories ..

- This story shows the hide and dirtyness of the current Bandera Ukraine. Whenever possible, crap and will crap. REAL FROTHERS!

[not main]

Quote: oldseaman1957

Quote: Finches

The muddy are all stories ..

- This story shows the hide and dirtyness of the current Bandera Ukraine. Whenever possible, crap and will crap. REAL FROTHERS!

Please tell me how you manage it? I have a bunch of warnings for calling the Ukrainians the same word, and their brothers from Israel in their own words.

[Finches]

I have the same bunch of warnings ... I refer to Gogol! But it’s better to adhere to political correctness! Although, by the way, my mother is a hohlushka - so I can do a little bit!

[Antares]

Quote: Finches

.I refer to Gogol!

Gogol can, but the site has strict rules.

[Finches]

Gogol out of competition on any site!

[sgazeev]

Quote: Less

It seems recently caught a spy. Can exchange?

Our staff bureaucracy is to blame. These boobies didn’t find anything better than reckless. Ukroshpien is more valuable because he can be squeezed like a lemon. Exchanged through the LDNR, horses still haven’t been offered for exchange.

[Slovak]

Yes, there are millions of them in Russia 5. You can collect ukrogovorunov from Russian television channels and in bulk ....

[Antares]

Quote: Slovak

ukrogovorunov from Russian TV channels and wholesale

they have a well-paid job - "Ukrainians"
Indirectly, they still help Ukraine .. with their help and the Russian media, disorienting / misinforming Russian society.

[KVU-NSVD]

SBU officers lured Russian contractors to the Dzhankoy checkpoint supposedly to transfer them higher education documents, where they were detained

Of course, the circumstances are muddy, but they should have been thinking with their head ..

[zivXP]

Lured without weapons

[Dormidont]

It’s time to bind all the piglets and containers for animals in Rostov

[Imh]

Yesterday the spies were caught there, right? Well, that's what needs to be exchanged.

[Herculesic]

I do not want to comment, otherwise I’ll end up in the bathhouse at least! I just want to know, when will we stop this under-state to endure and feed? I would personally introduce visas, and help the republics to clean from ukrobands, in Odessa itself! And our Russian tricolor would hang over the glorious Russian city, and I would spit from the high bell tower to the United States, NATO and the European Union!

[rus-5819]

Kiev court found Baranov guilty, sentenced to 13 years in prison, Darnitsky district court of Kiev sentenced Odintsov to 14 years in prison

Urgently send 200 ukrogastrobaytera with a ban on appearing in Russia for 5 years. And so for each of our "pseudo-shpiguna" !!!
LOOKING FOR ONE AND A half MILLION ZROBITCHAN, RETURNED TO NENKA, WILL CORRECT THE BRAINS OF THOSE WHO HAVE NOT HAVE BEEN ACIDICULATED HERE ...

[dsm100]

Laughter, laughter, and the guys got to the fullest and something, I don’t see much desire to return them somehow. 13 and 14 years old is not enough.

[ul_vitalii]

Desertion, giving as in martial law or war, substitution of concepts and absurdity.

[Hurricane70]

Quote: Sam_gosling

It will never end. Ukrainians will catch the entangled border guards / military / garbage, our saboteurs / divergences / insurgents.

Very clever and deep thought, wise guy! Why are you calling them rubbish (policemen)? Peer flew?

[Hurricane70]

Quote: Herkulesich

I do not want to comment, otherwise I’ll end up in the bathhouse at least! I just want to know, when will we stop this under-state to endure and feed? I would personally introduce visas, and help the republics to clean from ukrobands, in Odessa itself! And our Russian tricolor would hang over the glorious Russian city, and I would spit from the high bell tower to the United States, NATO and the European Union!

Mikhan raised the flag? Carry high and proud!

[Herculesic]

Hurricane 70 - What am I wrong? The country SHOULD fight for its citizens, and not throw them in the mouth of the enemy! It was necessary in the 14th year to send our special forces to help the republics, or to allow not two out of a thousand volunteers to help! Then everything will be even worse — sooner or later, but “sleeping” agents and saboteurs are activated, and then you yourself will blame yourself for your frivolity!

[DenZ]

Quote: Herkulesich

Then everything will be even worse — sooner or later, but “sleeping” agents and saboteurs are activated, and then you yourself will blame yourself for your frivolity!

I agree completely. Further, this swamp will only get worse.

[private person]

The Podolsky district court of Kiev found Baranov guilty, he was sentenced to 13 years of imprisonment, now we have received a copy of the sentence. Darnitskiy district court of Kiev sentenced Odintsov to 14 years in prison
So Ukrainians in something, yes, they are right, they betrayed their country, although they took the oath. And if you recall the backstory of the abduction, these warriors themselves were to blame for the diplomas they wanted and they got the deadlines. Who betrayed once will betray the second time.

[Sands Careers General]

Some kind of troubled story ... Lured, supposedly for transmission. The story is sewn with white thread.

[private person]

Where are your? These were defectors from the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the oath was taken once.

[Romka47]

Of course, I’m sorry for the guys, but excuse me, you could think with your head before you go into neutral with an enemy to whom you personally are not just an enemy but also a traitor. And besides, the enemy is far from noble, but just located to all petty meannesses. Was there really no way to pick up documents in a safer way? courier or mail in the end.

[rehev931]

be that as it may, but they won’t go for an exchange !!! This is a show trial !!! Like, it will be so with everyone ... I think so ...

[antivirus]

against the demonstration it is necessary to show our measures - so that they know who the mouse is, and who the cat or the bear

[Simon]

Quote: Less

It seems recently caught a spy. Can exchange?

At x ... s - this is already worked out material, they have long forgotten about it.

[Simon]

Quote: Sands Career General

Some kind of troubled story ... Lured, supposedly for transmission. The story is sewn with white thread.

It seems like they wanted to give diplomas of graduation from military schools.

[Cer59]

why didn’t they send an army group to restore the constitutional right of Russian citizens ?, beat off with fire and lead. Fascists and Bandera fell into the hands of Donetsk and Lugansk for re-education.

[Elizar Zadunaysky]

kidnapping-article, correctly proposed-bring to court and convict

[ultra]

These idiots are not even sorry, but they must be pulled out.

[Bosch]

Sugs! Chi not?

[PValery53]

And since when did our authorities stop protecting our citizens? !!. - Who allowed? (Tse sho for the "mineral" ?!)

[singless]

These are our citizens, my brothers. I think diplomats work.

[zan_parti]

The United States abducts citizens of other countries, Israel abducts citizens of other countries, even Ukraine now abducts foreign citizens. Perhaps in order to set all their brains straight, it is necessary to act by their own methods?

Show class. Start with those who participated in the abduction.

[tihonmarine]

Well, what idiots you need to be to believe the Ukrainians!

[Bondik05]

It’s a pity for the guys - they got in seriously and for a long time .. Our leadership can only "Care deeply" and sit on the priest exactly with a smart look, such as we observe international law and the like. Under any circumstances! Nothing will change until "everything acquired by overwork" is no longer stored in foreign banks.
Py Sy: We look at the foot erotic journey of Americosia, the DPRK sent to some of it and slowly envy it.

[bogart047]

they are not very smart. And if they swore an oath to Ukraine, then the verdict is quite logical.

[Methane]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Quote: Black

It is necessary to exchange. Yes, they only had to think with their heads when they went to neutral to meet ..... they themselves set up and let down the commanders ... From a legal point of view, here we have nothing to present unfortunately - they really were previously Ukrainian soldiers.

An illegitimate change of power exempts a soldier from the oath.
So, they did not commit any crime against Ukraine and are not subject to trial.

Yeah. And who recognized this legitimate authority?

[Antares]

rare article about Russian citizens ... and then in prison
unfortunately, the RF will not do anything here (since it does not want to exchange, but its nafig are not needed)
there may be a chance .. while everything is for the Russian Federation (officials do nothing to help) do relatives familiar from the Russian Federation and Ukraine.
Recently, Ukraine offered an exchange (in the course of an exchange with ORDiLO) Poroshenko said this

the Russians who are in Ukrainian prisons were not specifically extradited - they will be changed only to those Ukrainians who are in Russian prisons
“More efforts will be made to pull our citizens out of Russian prisons, occupied from Crimea - and for this we have not given a single Russian today. And more than 15 Russian citizens who are in our prisons should be sent to return home Sushchenko, Sentsov, Kolchenko, Klykh, Karpyuk and many others ”

[LeonidL]

Ukrainians in the Russian Federation are sitting for espionage, for sabotage - in a word, for deeds, and these suckers sit on their own stupidity and greed, acquired even while serving in the Armed Forces. Change them only for suckers from zarobitchan - to catch the former ATOshnikov and change. And ATOshnikov can catch hundreds of Svidomo horses. The stock will come in handy for the future. Suckers only on suckers!

[Andrey K]

Antares

... unfortunately, the RF will not do anything here (since it does not want to exchange, but its nafig are not needed) ...

In the Russian Federation they know that they do not need the Russian Federation?

.... offered an exchange (during an exchange with ORDiLO) Poroshenko said this ...

About Poroshenko do not mention more, this is still that "authority".
You and your "ORDILO" have dirtied the whole branch. You are on the Russian resource, be so kind as not to use Maidan slang.

[asiat_61]

Quote: Shurik70

Quote: Black

Yes, only they had to think with their heads when they went to the neutral for a meeting ..... they set themselves up and let down the commanders

Well, dumbasses are young ... Passes with age, especially after such lessons

...... So say that suckers.

[LeonidL]

The fact that suckers - no objections and doubts. Their business is science to others - do not stick your nose abroad, well, there is nothing for you to do there - live and serve calmly in the Crimea.

[LeonidL]

Catch one hundred workers from the former ATO workers and change. You can and more - in stock.