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Russian military kidnapped on the border with the Crimea in Kiev sentenced to prison terms

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A Ukrainian court found Russian servicemen Alexander Baranov and Maxim Odintsov abducted by the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) in November 2016 of the year on the border with Crimea, guilty of desertion and high treason. This was announced by their lawyer Valentin Rybin


Russian military kidnapped on the border with the Crimea in Kiev sentenced to prison terms


The Podolsky district court of Kiev found Baranov guilty, he was sentenced to 13 years of imprisonment, now we have received a copy of the sentence. Darnitskiy district court of Kiev sentenced Odintsov to 14 years in prison
- said Rybin.

Rybin said that preparing appeals against the verdict

November 21 The Russian Defense Ministry’s 2016 announced the abduction of two Russian soldiers by the SSU officers. The next day they were arrested by a Ukrainian court.

It later became known that the SBU officers lured Russian contract servicemen to the Dzhankoy checkpoint, allegedly to hand over documents of higher education, where they were detained. Both military men were charged with desertion from the Ukrainian army and treason.
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  1. Loess
    Loess 13 February 2018 16: 02
    +1
    It seems recently caught a spy. Can exchange?
    1. Sam_gosling
      Sam_gosling 13 February 2018 16: 06
      +7
      It will never end. Ukrainians will catch the entangled border guards / military / garbage, our saboteurs / divergences / insurgents.
      1. Shurik70
        Shurik70 13 February 2018 16: 16
        +28
        I believe that you can find out the names of those involved in the abduction, everything is for sale in Ukraine now. And then it is necessary to ensure that these abductors appear before the Russian court. This is important for the prestige of the country.
        And the guys really need to be exchanged for someone. I should ask the Donbasites who committed a crime in Russia from prisoners, to demand, for an exchange, a couple of dozen for two I think is enough. If the uproar in the Ukrainian media is to raise "the damned Muscovites keep in the dungeons of our lads"
        In no case do not pay with money, otherwise there will be many abductions
        1. Logall
          Logall 13 February 2018 16: 23
          +17
          Namesake hi , you propose a deal! Still to the ears of those holding power to convey ...
          1. Andrey K
            Andrey K 13 February 2018 16: 36
            +17
            Logall
            ...Namesake hi , you propose a deal! Still to the ears of those holding power to convey ...

            Then I remembered the recent past:
            ... on the night of August 4, 2014, 438 Ukrainian troops crossed into Russia and turned to Russian border guards with a request for asylum. Among the 164 Ukrainian border guards who crossed the border ...

            About the gratitude of not the authorities, ukrovoyak in the person of their Moscow Region, you can not say - the "answer" is visual.
            In May 2015, two Togliatti residents were hooked: Yerofeyev and Aleksandrov - curled up, got angry.
            In November 2016, Crimean contract guards - border guards.
            But we are humane ...
            1. Antares
              Antares 13 February 2018 23: 46
              +1
              Quote: Andrey K
              In May 2015, two Togliatti residents were hooked: Yerofeyev and Aleksandrov - curled up, got angry.

              exchanged for Hope (they were similarly “pissed off” over it) by the way, the commandos were treated and taken in battle, with losses. They didn’t kill him, they captured him, they treated him and sent him home.
              And the courts are similar, terrorists / terrorist who with a saw who could on the pillars without hands, etc.
              Quote: Andrey K
              In November 2016, Crimean contract guards - border guards.

              In the Russian Federation, they would have slapped similarly. And then everyone would applaud.
              In Crimea, Ukrainians were arrested, just enough for an exchange. Ukraine wants to exchange all Sentsova. You can offer. There are 26 people, a similar amount in the Russian Federation. In general, each other's partners are standing. And we are invited to hate each other.
        2. The black
          The black 13 February 2018 16: 46
          +14
          Quote: Shurik70
          And the guys really need to be exchanged for someone

          It is necessary to exchange. Yes, they only had to think with their heads when they went to neutral to meet ..... they themselves set up and let down the commanders ... From a legal point of view, here we have nothing to present unfortunately - they really were previously Ukrainian soldiers.
          1. Shurik70
            Shurik70 13 February 2018 16: 52
            +4
            Quote: Black
            Yes, only they had to think with their heads when they went to the neutral for a meeting ..... they set themselves up and let down the commanders

            Well, dumbasses are young ... Passes with age, especially after such lessons
          2. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 13 February 2018 16: 56
            +8
            Quote: Black

            It is necessary to exchange. Yes, they only had to think with their heads when they went to neutral to meet ..... they themselves set up and let down the commanders ... From a legal point of view, here we have nothing to present unfortunately - they really were previously Ukrainian soldiers.

            An illegitimate change of power exempts a soldier from the oath.
            So, they did not commit any crime against Ukraine and are not subject to trial.
            1. The black
              The black 13 February 2018 18: 59
              +6
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              An illegitimate change of power exempts a soldier from the oath.
              So, they did not commit any crime against Ukraine and are not subject to trial.

              I will gladly support you. Yes, only the fact is clear - they were CONDEMNED ...
            2. revnagan
              revnagan 13 February 2018 19: 47
              +1
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              An illegitimate change of power exempts a soldier from the oath.

              And where, in which Code of Laws is it written? Or did you just decide so fast?
              1. Krasnoyarsk
                Krasnoyarsk 13 February 2018 20: 05
                +2
                Quote: revnagan
                And where, in which Code of Laws is it written? Or did you just decide so fast?

                I will by no means affirm that I am an expert in jurisprudence, but you must admit, if there is someone who appoints himself an IO of the supreme, a position which is not recorded in any charter, then why should I obey him? And if tomorrow again, as a result of some watered. cataclysm will come another and declare himself supreme, what am I supposed to obey him? Power changed as a result of elections? No. So the oath is not valid. And it was invalid until the President was elected, and hence the Supreme. And those guys moved to the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation before the legitimate President appeared. Hence, I think that they are not to blame for the violation of the oath.
                1. The black
                  The black 13 February 2018 20: 24
                  +1
                  Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                  Hence, I think that they are not to blame for the violation of the oath.

                  But the Ukrainian court thinks differently. (Unfortunately)
                2. KaPToC
                  KaPToC 13 February 2018 21: 21
                  +1
                  Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                  Power changed as a result of elections? No. So the oath is not valid.

                  You swore not to the president
                  1. Krasnoyarsk
                    Krasnoyarsk 13 February 2018 23: 34
                    +1
                    Quote: KaPToC
                    You swore not to the president

                    Actually, I swore allegiance to my people, my homeland - the USSR, and my government. By the order of which, brought to me by my commanders, I am obliged, etc. There was no sovereign at that time. And with the advent of the supreme, everything changed. If then the orders were given by the legitimate government (it is clear that through the Minister of Defense, the General Staff, etc.) Today the orders are given by the legitimate Supreme (it is clear that through the Minister of Defense, the General Staff and further downward.) Officers in Crimea in 14 did not receive an order did not take any action. There was no one to receive it from.
                    Did they break the oath?
                    1. KaPToC
                      KaPToC 14 February 2018 00: 00
                      +1
                      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                      Actually, I swore allegiance to my people, my homeland - the USSR,

                      In this case, the phrase “you” is figurative, we are talking about those about whom the article is.
                  2. Antares
                    Antares 13 February 2018 23: 51
                    0
                    Quote: KaPToC
                    You swore not to the president

                    in the text of the oath about the president not a word. There is no parliament there
                    I, (nickname, I’m the one for the father), I enter on v_iskova
                    service and I swear orally to the Ukrainian people
                    virim i viddanim, defend Ukraine, seize її sovereignty,
                    Territorial value and incomplete, totally and honestly
                    vikonuvati vіyskiy obov'yazok, punish commanders
                    the Constitution of Ukraine is subject to the laws of Ukraine, zberigati
                    sovereign tamnitsyu.

                    there they swear allegiance to the people. According to the constitution, the bearer of sovereignty and the only source
                    power in Ukraine is the people.
                    Given the quality of our politicians and presidents ... they should not swear.
                    1. Krasnoyarsk
                      Krasnoyarsk 14 February 2018 14: 00
                      0
                      Quote: Antares
                      .

                      there they swear allegiance to the people. According to the constitution, the bearer of sovereignty and the only source
                      power in Ukraine is the people.

                      Antares, I can agree with you if you discard any logic. Well look -
                      = ... vikonuvati vіyskiy obov'yazok, punish the commanders,
                      the Constitution of Ukraine and the laws of Ukraine are =
                      1. When did Russia “occupy” Crimea, did the indicated fighters receive “punish commanders” to protect the territorial integrity of Ukraine? - No, they didn’t.
                      2. = ... extends to the Constitution of Ukraine ... = Was the Constitution of Ukraine violated on the Maidan? - Yes, it was.
                      3.You write - = ... the only source
                      power in Ukraine is the people. = Question to you - who has power? I will answer myself - the power of the one to whom they obey (voluntarily or under duress).
                      Question to you - Who obeys the people? Is the power represented by the president, government, various officials subordinate to the people as the only source of power? In no country in the world is a people a bearer of any kind of power. Hence, the oath to the people is a fiction. Oath of authority. And carry out her orders, and not the orders of some people there. - = ... viconuvati punish commanders, =
                      All talk about the people, this is all a primitive fool.
                      So the guys are absolutely right, they did not swear allegiance to the new government. And the new government judges them unlawfully.
                3. revnagan
                  revnagan 19 February 2018 13: 53
                  0
                  It’s not about submission to non-legitimate authorities. Do not like it, don’t obey. But the oath is not brought to the person representing the government in the state, but to the state. In addition, the world has recognized this power. Including, Russia has recognized. I’m still interested that’s the question: the international treaties guaranteeing the inviolability of the territory of Ukraine within certain borders were signed between states, and not between specific (legitimate, not legitimate) individuals, people, authorities. That is, according to the Budapest Treaty, the territorial integrity of Ukraine guaranteed several world powers (including Russia) in exchange for Ukraine’s refusal of nuclear weapons (in general terms, but so). It was not about legitimate, not legitimate power. And when Ukraine found itself in a difficult situation, the state that gave guarantees inviolability of the territory of Ukraine, renounces its guarantees, under the pretext: "your power is not legitimate, the memorandum is signed by the wrong hand, it costs nothing, and finally, you are all bored and . "Despite the fact that Russia itself recognized the Offal!
                  1. Krasnoyarsk
                    Krasnoyarsk 19 February 2018 18: 16
                    0
                    [quote = revnagan] That is, according to the Budapest Treaty, several world powers (including Russia) guaranteed the territorial integrity of Ukraine in exchange for Ukraine’s refusal of nuclear weapons (in general terms, but so). [/ quot
                    The Budapest Treaty has not been ratified by any of the signatory countries. So it’s not obligatory for execution. By the way, do you know that the USA was the initiator of the Budapest Treaty. And that Kuchma resisted this for a long time. But the Americans know how to twist their hands. But that's not the point. Considering this issue, we must recognize a certain legal conflict.
                    1. Regulation on the inviolability of borders.
                    2. On the right of a nation to self-determination
                    The first paragraph has been violated repeatedly long before 2014. You do not have to go far for an example. This is the unification of Germany and the fragmentation of Yugoslavia, and the capture of Israel and the annexation of parts of Syria. Examples, if desired, can still be found.
                    Now the second point. The right of a nation to self-determination. Is it a Russian nation? And the Russians living in Crimea, and their 67,9% of the total population of Crimea, is this a nation?
                    Is Ukrainians a nation? And Ukrainians living in Crimea, and their 15,68%, nation?
                    Crimean Tatars living in Crimea, and their 10,57%, this is a nation? And of all nationalities in the Crimea lives already 23. Do they have the right to self-determination? Do not forget about one more important point, until 2014. Crimea - Autonomous Republic. Having its own legislative body and its own government.
                    Now, with regard to the recognition of Poroshenko. I was not given to know who and what I was thinking there, but I believe that Russia recognized the Poroshenko Power for one single purpose - it was necessary to conduct a dialogue with someone. Russia was worried, and this is natural, the situation in the Donbass. In order to somehow “clear up” this situation, and Russia naturally did not want to do this by military force, all that remained was the path of negotiations. With whom? Of course with Ukraine. And who is the power there? Of course - Poroshenko. No tricks. Hence the recognition. Just please do not take my thoughts seriously. I, like you, do not have the entirety of information on all these issues. This is just my opinion. You may have it different. Share, I’ll be glad to get acquainted.
        3. antivirus
          antivirus 13 February 2018 17: 00
          +1
          to Kharkov to go on a business trip. who decided to send there?
          it is easier to connect the East and the Center of the outskirts and all to Okhotsk (also the sea)
        4. AID.S
          AID.S 15 February 2018 09: 38
          0
          Quote: Shurik70

          I believe that you can find out the names of those involved in the abduction, everything is for sale in Ukraine now. And then it is necessary to ensure that these abductors appear before the Russian court.

          Avakov. Send GRU special forces to Kiev, otherwise they have nothing to do.
      2. Logall
        Logall 13 February 2018 16: 20
        +6
        Quote: Sam_gosling
        divergents / insurgents.

        Eda, how you suffered good
        We cannot protect our citizens, we cannot! The Yankees even rescue their enemies from captivity ... Example: pilot of a downed bomber in Yugoslavia!
        1. Sam_gosling
          Sam_gosling 13 February 2018 22: 27
          0
          The whole problem is that the authorities in Kiev still have significant levers of pressure and obtaining information in the Crimea and in the "mainland" Russia. Russia itself has exactly the same thing. Everyone knows about everyone, but they are limited only by pokes to the side. In principle, both sides are satisfied with this status quo, while ordinary Kuzmich’s suffer.
      3. 210ox
        210ox 13 February 2018 19: 39
        +1
        This will end. I hope. When our demolish this scum in Kiev .. Dreams .. damn it. Au! In the Kremlin!
        Quote: Sam_gosling
        It will never end. Ukrainians will catch the entangled border guards / military / garbage, our saboteurs / divergences / insurgents.
        1. Sam_gosling
          Sam_gosling 13 February 2018 22: 30
          +1
          This is unrealistic. As Suvorov said, in order to win it is necessary to surprise. Compared to the 14th year, our "wonder girl" has shrunk and is somehow directed in the wrong direction.
    2. Thrall
      Thrall 13 February 2018 16: 07
      +7
      That's what the craving for knowledge does to people ...
      One must be friends with one’s head, they themselves got on the rampage, the terms were inadequate, an expensive science turned out.
      1. avt
        avt 13 February 2018 16: 59
        +3
        Quote: Thrall
        You need to be friends with your head

        So the greed of frayers was ruined - they decided to raise more with diplomas in the service of the dough.
        Quote: Finches
        The muddy are all stories ..

        Not a single meter. in the head on the meander of one for two, and that straight. Bought like suckers.
    3. Finches
      Finches 13 February 2018 16: 11
      +1
      Muddy all these stories .... that’s what I’ll say about this! Here, father and mother die in Ukraine - children, soldiers of our army, are not allowed out of Russia ... but here are diplomas, some kind of garbage!
      1. Thrall
        Thrall 13 February 2018 16: 16
        +4
        The guys left diplomas quietly wanted to stir up.
        1. antivirus
          antivirus 13 February 2018 17: 02
          0
          so our special officers threw? shtob themselves do not shine against "fake" diplomas
      2. oldseaman1957
        oldseaman1957 13 February 2018 16: 17
        +3
        Quote: Finches
        The muddy are all stories ..
        - This story shows the hide and dirtyness of the current Bandera Ukraine. Whenever possible, crap and will crap. REAL FROTHERS!
        1. not main
          not main 13 February 2018 21: 19
          0
          Quote: oldseaman1957
          Quote: Finches
          The muddy are all stories ..
          - This story shows the hide and dirtyness of the current Bandera Ukraine. Whenever possible, crap and will crap. REAL FROTHERS!

          Please tell me how you manage it? I have a bunch of warnings for calling the Ukrainians the same word, and their brothers from Israel in their own words.
          1. Finches
            Finches 13 February 2018 21: 50
            +1
            I have the same bunch of warnings ... I refer to Gogol! laughing But it’s better to adhere to political correctness! Although, by the way, my mother is a hohlushka - so I can do a little bit! hi
            1. Antares
              Antares 13 February 2018 23: 53
              0
              Quote: Finches
              .I refer to Gogol!

              Gogol can, but the site has strict rules.
              1. Finches
                Finches 14 February 2018 08: 02
                +1
                Gogol out of competition on any site! laughing
    4. sgazeev
      sgazeev 13 February 2018 16: 27
      +1
      Quote: Less
      It seems recently caught a spy. Can exchange?

      Our staff bureaucracy is to blame. These boobies didn’t find anything better than reckless. Ukroshpien is more valuable because he can be squeezed like a lemon. Exchanged through the LDNR, horses still haven’t been offered for exchange.
    5. Slovak
      Slovak 13 February 2018 20: 15
      0
      Yes, there are millions of them in Russia 5. You can collect ukrogovorunov from Russian television channels and in bulk ....
      1. Antares
        Antares 13 February 2018 23: 55
        +2
        Quote: Slovak
        ukrogovorunov from Russian TV channels and wholesale

        they have a well-paid job - "Ukrainians"
        Indirectly, they still help Ukraine .. with their help and the Russian media, disorienting / misinforming Russian society.
  2. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 13 February 2018 16: 08
    +6
    SBU officers lured Russian contractors to the Dzhankoy checkpoint supposedly to transfer them higher education documents, where they were detained
    Of course, the circumstances are muddy, but they should have been thinking with their head ..
  3. zivXP
    zivXP 13 February 2018 16: 10
    +1
    Lured without weapons
  4. Dormidont
    Dormidont 13 February 2018 16: 10
    +1
    It’s time to bind all the piglets and containers for animals in Rostov
  5. Imh
    Imh 13 February 2018 16: 11
    +1
    Yesterday the spies were caught there, right? Well, that's what needs to be exchanged.
  6. Herculesic
    Herculesic 13 February 2018 16: 14
    +8
    I do not want to comment, otherwise I’ll end up in the bathhouse at least! I just want to know, when will we stop this under-state to endure and feed? I would personally introduce visas, and help the republics to clean from ukrobands, in Odessa itself! And our Russian tricolor would hang over the glorious Russian city, and I would spit from the high bell tower to the United States, NATO and the European Union!
  7. rus-5819
    rus-5819 13 February 2018 16: 17
    +3
    Kiev court found Baranov guilty, sentenced to 13 years in prison, Darnitsky district court of Kiev sentenced Odintsov to 14 years in prison

    Urgently send 200 ukrogastrobaytera with a ban on appearing in Russia for 5 years. And so for each of our "pseudo-shpiguna" !!!
    LOOKING FOR ONE AND A half MILLION ZROBITCHAN, RETURNED TO NENKA, WILL CORRECT THE BRAINS OF THOSE WHO HAVE NOT HAVE BEEN ACIDICULATED HERE ...
  8. dsm100
    dsm100 13 February 2018 16: 22
    +4
    Laughter, laughter, and the guys got to the fullest and something, I don’t see much desire to return them somehow. 13 and 14 years old is not enough.
    1. ul_vitalii
      ul_vitalii 13 February 2018 16: 34
      +8
      Desertion, giving as in martial law or war, substitution of concepts and absurdity.
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  9. Hurricane70
    Hurricane70 13 February 2018 16: 27
    +3
    Quote: Sam_gosling
    It will never end. Ukrainians will catch the entangled border guards / military / garbage, our saboteurs / divergences / insurgents.

    Very clever and deep thought, wise guy! Why are you calling them rubbish (policemen)? Peer flew?
  10. Hurricane70
    Hurricane70 13 February 2018 16: 28
    +5
    Quote: Herkulesich
    I do not want to comment, otherwise I’ll end up in the bathhouse at least! I just want to know, when will we stop this under-state to endure and feed? I would personally introduce visas, and help the republics to clean from ukrobands, in Odessa itself! And our Russian tricolor would hang over the glorious Russian city, and I would spit from the high bell tower to the United States, NATO and the European Union!

    Mikhan raised the flag? Carry high and proud!
    1. Herculesic
      Herculesic 13 February 2018 16: 39
      +6
      Hurricane 70 - What am I wrong? The country SHOULD fight for its citizens, and not throw them in the mouth of the enemy! It was necessary in the 14th year to send our special forces to help the republics, or to allow not two out of a thousand volunteers to help! Then everything will be even worse — sooner or later, but “sleeping” agents and saboteurs are activated, and then you yourself will blame yourself for your frivolity!
      1. DenZ
        DenZ 13 February 2018 16: 49
        +4
        Quote: Herkulesich
        Then everything will be even worse — sooner or later, but “sleeping” agents and saboteurs are activated, and then you yourself will blame yourself for your frivolity!

        I agree completely. Further, this swamp will only get worse.
  11. private person
    private person 13 February 2018 16: 37
    +1
    The Podolsky district court of Kiev found Baranov guilty, he was sentenced to 13 years of imprisonment, now we have received a copy of the sentence. Darnitskiy district court of Kiev sentenced Odintsov to 14 years in prison
    So Ukrainians in something, yes, they are right, they betrayed their country, although they took the oath. And if you recall the backstory of the abduction, these warriors themselves were to blame for the diplomas they wanted and they got the deadlines. Who betrayed once will betray the second time.
  12. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 13 February 2018 16: 39
    +2
    Some kind of troubled story ... Lured, supposedly for transmission. The story is sewn with white thread.
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    1. private person
      private person 13 February 2018 17: 40
      0
      Where are your? These were defectors from the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the oath was taken once.
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  14. Romka47
    Romka47 13 February 2018 16: 48
    +2
    Of course, I’m sorry for the guys, but excuse me, you could think with your head before you go into neutral with an enemy to whom you personally are not just an enemy but also a traitor. And besides, the enemy is far from noble, but just located to all petty meannesses. Was there really no way to pick up documents in a safer way? courier or mail in the end.
  15. rehev931
    rehev931 13 February 2018 16: 52
    0
    be that as it may, but they won’t go for an exchange !!! This is a show trial !!! Like, it will be so with everyone ... I think so ...
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 13 February 2018 17: 06
      +1
      against the demonstration it is necessary to show our measures - so that they know who the mouse is, and who the cat or the bear
  16. Simon
    Simon 13 February 2018 16: 58
    +2
    Quote: Less
    It seems recently caught a spy. Can exchange?

    At x ... s - this is already worked out material, they have long forgotten about it. fool
  17. Simon
    Simon 13 February 2018 17: 01
    +1
    Quote: Sands Career General
    Some kind of troubled story ... Lured, supposedly for transmission. The story is sewn with white thread.

    It seems like they wanted to give diplomas of graduation from military schools. request
  18. Cer59
    Cer59 13 February 2018 17: 18
    +1
    why didn’t they send an army group to restore the constitutional right of Russian citizens ?, beat off with fire and lead. Fascists and Bandera fell into the hands of Donetsk and Lugansk for re-education.
  19. Elizar Zadunaysky
    Elizar Zadunaysky 13 February 2018 17: 26
    +1
    kidnapping-article, correctly proposed-bring to court and convict
  20. ultra
    ultra 13 February 2018 17: 32
    +1
    These idiots are not even sorry, but they must be pulled out.
  21. Bosch
    Bosch 13 February 2018 18: 07
    0
    Sugs! Chi not?
  22. PValery53
    PValery53 13 February 2018 18: 37
    0
    And since when did our authorities stop protecting our citizens? !!. - Who allowed? (Tse sho for the "mineral" ?!)
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  24. singless
    singless 13 February 2018 19: 39
    0
    These are our citizens, my brothers. I think diplomats work.
  25. zan_parti
    zan_parti 13 February 2018 19: 42
    0
    The United States abducts citizens of other countries, Israel abducts citizens of other countries, even Ukraine now abducts foreign citizens. Perhaps in order to set all their brains straight, it is necessary to act by their own methods?

    Show class. Start with those who participated in the abduction.
  26. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 13 February 2018 20: 15
    +1
    Well, what idiots you need to be to believe the Ukrainians!
  27. Bondik05
    Bondik05 13 February 2018 20: 23
    0
    It’s a pity for the guys - they got in seriously and for a long time .. Our leadership can only "Care deeply" and sit on the priest exactly with a smart look, such as we observe international law and the like. Under any circumstances! Nothing will change until "everything acquired by overwork" is no longer stored in foreign banks.
    Py Sy: We look at the foot erotic journey of Americosia, the DPRK sent to some of it and slowly envy it.
  28. bogart047
    bogart047 13 February 2018 21: 16
    0
    they are not very smart. And if they swore an oath to Ukraine, then the verdict is quite logical.
  29. Methane
    Methane 13 February 2018 22: 13
    0
    Quote: Krasnoyarsk
    Quote: Black

    It is necessary to exchange. Yes, they only had to think with their heads when they went to neutral to meet ..... they themselves set up and let down the commanders ... From a legal point of view, here we have nothing to present unfortunately - they really were previously Ukrainian soldiers.

    An illegitimate change of power exempts a soldier from the oath.
    So, they did not commit any crime against Ukraine and are not subject to trial.

    Yeah. And who recognized this legitimate authority?
  30. Antares
    Antares 14 February 2018 00: 03
    0
    rare article about Russian citizens ... and then in prison
    unfortunately, the RF will not do anything here (since it does not want to exchange, but its nafig are not needed)
    there may be a chance .. while everything is for the Russian Federation (officials do nothing to help) do relatives familiar from the Russian Federation and Ukraine.
    Recently, Ukraine offered an exchange (in the course of an exchange with ORDiLO) Poroshenko said this
    the Russians who are in Ukrainian prisons were not specifically extradited - they will be changed only to those Ukrainians who are in Russian prisons
    “More efforts will be made to pull our citizens out of Russian prisons, occupied from Crimea - and for this we have not given a single Russian today. And more than 15 Russian citizens who are in our prisons should be sent to return home Sushchenko, Sentsov, Kolchenko, Klykh, Karpyuk and many others ”
    1. LeonidL
      LeonidL 14 February 2018 06: 09
      +1
      Ukrainians in the Russian Federation are sitting for espionage, for sabotage - in a word, for deeds, and these suckers sit on their own stupidity and greed, acquired even while serving in the Armed Forces. Change them only for suckers from zarobitchan - to catch the former ATOshnikov and change. And ATOshnikov can catch hundreds of Svidomo horses. The stock will come in handy for the future. Suckers only on suckers!
    2. Andrey K
      Andrey K 14 February 2018 17: 42
      +6
      Antares
      ... unfortunately, the RF will not do anything here (since it does not want to exchange, but its nafig are not needed) ...

      In the Russian Federation they know that they do not need the Russian Federation?
      .... offered an exchange (during an exchange with ORDiLO) Poroshenko said this ...

      About Poroshenko do not mention more, this is still that "authority".
      You and your "ORDILO" have dirtied the whole branch. You are on the Russian resource, be so kind as not to use Maidan slang.
  31. asiat_61
    asiat_61 14 February 2018 02: 12
    +1
    Quote: Shurik70
    Quote: Black
    Yes, only they had to think with their heads when they went to the neutral for a meeting ..... they set themselves up and let down the commanders

    Well, dumbasses are young ... Passes with age, especially after such lessons
    ...... So say that suckers.
    1. LeonidL
      LeonidL 14 February 2018 06: 06
      +1
      The fact that suckers - no objections and doubts. Their business is science to others - do not stick your nose abroad, well, there is nothing for you to do there - live and serve calmly in the Crimea.
  32. LeonidL
    LeonidL 14 February 2018 06: 05
    +1
    Catch one hundred workers from the former ATO workers and change. You can and more - in stock.