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Belarus is ready to bypass Russia in the international arms market with air defense systems and the MLRS

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Belarus is preparing to make Russia a serious competition in the international arms market. Minsk is going to actively promote for export seriously upgraded still Soviet air defense systems: Buk-MB air defense missile system and its own developed MLRS Polonaise system. Of course, it will be very difficult for the Belarusian military-industrial complex to compete with the best models of Russian weapons, but it will get its part of the market, especially in the segment weapons “For the poor,” and there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that.


According to the results of 2017, Belarus exported various military products for more than a billion dollars, said Oleg Dvigalyov, who is the chairman of the State Military-Industrial Committee of Belarus. At the same time, the list of Belarusian military equipment exported today is quite extensive. It includes anti-aircraft missile systems, multiple rocket launchers, radars, EW systems, optoelectronic devices, armored cars, military vehicles, special-purpose computers, robotic systems, and drones.

The achieved indicators allow the country to enter the Top 20 of world arms exporters over the past few years. At the same time, the Republic of Belarus seeks to maximize its sales markets. According to Dvigalev, in 2017, the country increased its exports of military products by 15 percent, while its own production of military equipment grew by a quarter. According to the Belarusian official, 2017 year became for Minsk “the year of conquering new markets”: products and services of military enterprises from Belarus were supplied to 69 countries (in 2016, they were 60).

According to the Belarusian Internet newspaper Naviny.by, the country's military-industrial complex is stepping up efforts to produce high-tech weapons for the needs of foreign customers. Often this is a more advanced weapon than what is currently in service with the republic’s own army. One of the systems actively promoted for export is the deep modernization of the Buk anti-aircraft missile system created in the USSR. The new model ZRK was presented 31 January 2018 of the year at the exhibition of developments of the State Military Industrial Committee (Goskomvoenprom) of Belarus for 2016-2017 years.

ZRK "Book MB" layout

We are talking about the modification, which received the designation “Beech MB”, it was developed by enterprises and organizations of the Gosvoenprom system, among which OJSC Agat - Control Systems is the managing company of the Geoinformation Control Systems holding, research and development company OKB TSP, OJSC 140 Repair Plant and OJSC 2566 Radio Electronic Equipment Repair Plant. According to Vladimir Lavrenyuk, a representative of the Gosvoenprom, this modernization of the Buk missile system qualitatively differs not only from the base model of the complex, but also from its subsequent versions, including the Beech M1-2, which is still in service with the Belarusian army. Lavrenyuk noted that the degree of modernization of the complex allows us to speak about the creation of a new Belarusian air defense system. As a result of the deep modernization of all outdated equipment of the air defense missile system was replaced with modern parts, the complex is fully implemented on the new element base. As part of the modernization for the "Buk MB" in Belarus, created more than a hundred new devices and units.

The “Buk MB” air defense system is able to work with any types of modern automated control systems, as well as digital radar systems. The introduction of fundamentally new technical solutions into the complex made it possible to increase the target detection range by a radar of a self-propelled firing system (SOU) immediately by 30 percent, as well as confidently carry out automatic target recognition by trajectory characteristics and automated - by sound portrait. Significantly improved the characteristics of systems suppressing both passive and active interference. Separately, the presence of a built-in complex simulator system, which allows operators of the Buk MB system to conduct training both as part of the complex and autonomously along its combat elements, is highlighted.

The air defense complex modernized by the Belarusian military industrial complex was able to use single-stage solid propellant anti-aircraft missiles of not one, but three types at once (9М38, 9М38М1, 9М317) in any combination. The 9M38M1 rocket created in the USSR had the speed of 850 m / s, the firing range was 35 km, the maximum height of the targets hit was 22,5 km, the probability of hitting 0,71. In the more modern 9M317 SAM, the speed has increased to 1230 m / s, the firing range is 42 km, the maximum height of the targets hit is 25 km, the accuracy is 0,78.

If each self-propelled fire installation of a modernized complex is single-channel in purpose, then in general, “Buk MB” in its standard configuration has already six target channels. In the conditions of modern combat, this is important for reliable covering of protected ground objects and repelling a massive air strike. Since the modernized complex's SOW are independent firing units that can operate both as part of the air defense system and independently, the Buk MB has a higher combat survivability, which is especially important when the enemy uses modern anti-radar weapons.

Belarus is ready to bypass Russia in the international arms market with air defense systems and the MLRS
Buk MB air defense missile system in Azerbaijan

The composition of each division modernized Belarusian SAM "Buk MB" is switched 6 propelled fire installations 9A310MB, 3 transport-charging machines 9A310MB, as well as three-coordinate radar target detection circular view, equipped with a phased antenna array (it can detect air targets by technology " stealth "), command and control station 9С470MB and various auxiliary equipment.

According to the information of Belarusian manufacturers, the project of the modernized complex “Buk MB” is primarily focused on exports to poor countries, for which the products of the world's leading manufacturers of weapons, for example, Russia, the USA and Israel, are very expensive. According to the authors of a specialized Internet resource janes.com, the Buk MB system is attractive to buyers because it has already been tested in practice. For example, the buyer of this air defense system is already the armed forces of Azerbaijan, they received from Minsk two divisions of the Buk MB air defense system under a contract that was signed back in 2010 year. The first of the divisions was first shown to the public as part of a military parade in June 2013. It is known that the Azerbaijani military successfully mastered the new complex, as evidenced by the message on the official website of the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan from 14 October 2017.

According to published information, on the instructions of Colonel-General Zakir Hasanov, an inspection was conducted of the state of readiness of the existing Buk MB air defense system of the Azerbaijani air defense forces. When performing combat training tasks in the face of complex radio-electronic interference, units of the Azerbaijani Air Defense Forces were able to detect and escort small-sized high-speed air targets of a conditional enemy, which were then successfully hit.

It is known that the countries of Central Asia (including Kazakhstan), as well as countries in Africa, the Middle East and Latin America, are showing interest in the modernized Belarusian version of the Buk air defense system, and there are potential buyers in Europe, in particular Serbia . Military experts agree that the interest is due not only to the high declared standards of the complex, but also to the financial aspect. For example, some developing countries are unable to acquire the Buk MB system in a standard configuration due to a lack of funds. For such buyers, Minsk, due to the modular architecture of the complex, can offer a truncated configuration of the division with the 4 SOU.

MLRS "Polonez"

The second promising development of the Belarusian military industrial complex, which has very good export prospects and can really compete with Russian developments, is the heavy MLRS “Polonez”, whose adoption, as well as access to the external market, should occur in the 2018 year. The system came out so successful that Alexander Lukashenko massively presented the design teams that participated in its development to awards.

Many compared this system with the Russian MLRS "Smerch", but this is absolutely wrong. "Polonaise" surpasses in range not only the "Smerch" (90 km), but also the more advanced Russian complex "Tornado-S", whose missiles can hit targets at a distance of up to 120 km. "Polonaise" now can hit targets at a distance of 280 kilometers. The caliber of missiles is the same - 300 mm. In fact, we are talking about the installation, which is analogous to the American multi-purpose MLRS M142 HIMARS, exceeding it in firing range by half.

The launcher of the MLRS "Polonez" does not have tubular guides traditional for Soviet and Russian installations. Instead, they use special packages-modules with transport and launch containers box-section. After the launch of the missiles, such a package module is removed and removed for recharging to the manufacturer, or for recycling, and a new one is installed in its place. This technology allows you to reduce the time to recharge the installation and the implementation of re-volley. One machine carries 8 rockets.

Originally, Chinese-made rockets were used with the complex. Most likely, it was about the A-200 missiles with a firing range of up to 200 km. Then it was upgraded to increase the range. Currently, the rocket is produced at the Precision Electromechanical Plant in the Dzerzhinsky District. The chassis of the complex - MZTK-793 produced by the Minsk plant of wheel tractor. This chassis allows the complex to reach speeds of up to 70 km / h.

MLRS "Polonez"

In October, 2017, in the Gomel region, tests of a modernized version of Polonaise were carried out. As Major-General of the Reserve Anatoly Vankovich, director of the Precision Electromechanics Factory that manufactured the new missiles, told the Belarusian media that this unique weapon makes it possible to hit targets at a distance of up to 300 km. According to Vankovich, the rocket of the complex flies at an altitude of about 50 km, it dives at the target almost vertically, while having a speed corresponding to five speeds of sound, it is resistant to interference. All this makes the defeat of its means of air defense / missile defense a very difficult task.

This MLRS is designed to defeat openly located and sheltered enemy manpower, armored and unarmored military and military special equipment, artillery. The probable circular deviation when firing at maximum range does not exceed 30 meters. Such accuracy, combined with other advantages of this missile system, allows us to solve a variety of tasks on the battlefield, including those characteristic of bomber aviation and operational-tactical missile systems.

As already noted, with the use of new 300-mm Belarusian corrected missiles, which are being tested in Belarus at the present time, the range of the complex is twice the performance of the American MLRS HIMARS. The missiles are equipped with a combined correction system based on inertial and satellite navigation systems. The warheads of missiles can carry different types of equipment: fragmentation cassette, high-explosive fragmentation, cassette with self-targeting anti-tank combat elements, etc. The MLRS “Polonez” battery, consisting of six combat vehicles, is able to cover up to 48 detached targets with one volley, located on an area of ​​100 square kilometers. Each of the 8 missiles launched from the launcher can be guided to its target.

Tests of the MLRS “Polonez” with a fully Belarusian-made rocket are planned for the first half of 2018. The State Secretary of the Security Council Stanislav Zas told reporters about this. According to him, the Polonez complex is all Belarusian, the rocket is partially ours. The task is to make it fully Belarusian. “At present we have come to the tests of the complex with our rocket. I really hope that we will spend them in the first half of 2018, and they will be successful, ”said Stanislav Zas.

MLRS "Polonez"

The first export buyer of the complex can be Azerbaijan, which has a substantive interest in “Polonez”. Earlier, Russia supplied Iskander-E OTRK to Armenia and Baku was interested in finding a counterweight. Perhaps it was to discuss the details of this transaction, the Minister of Defense of Azerbaijan, Colonel-General Zakir Hasanov, came to Minsk in October 2017. Some experts believe that Baku has even made an advance payment for these complexes. As high-ranking Azeri military men noted, the Belarusian artillery launch of the Belarusian production is almost as good as Russian Iskander E.

Information sources:
https://inosmi.ru/military/20180206/241380777.html
http://svpressa.ru/war21/article/192511
https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/201706291613-7gff.htm
https://russian.rt.com/ussr/article/476251-belorussiya-oruzhiye-eksport
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  1. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 13 February 2018 06: 45
    +12
    what can I say, handsome Belarusians. so keep it up.
    1. bulvas
      bulvas 13 February 2018 09: 06
      +5
      Quote: Andrew Y.
      what can I say, handsome Belarusians. so keep it up.


      And for our benefit - "do not let the soul be lazy"

      I wonder what percentage of our components are used?
      1. bouncyhunter
        bouncyhunter 13 February 2018 10: 51
        +3
        Vasya, salute! hi I won’t say anything about interest - they don’t talk about it in the box. But they praise the same Polonaise regularly, and not only ours, but also potential customers.
        1. bulvas
          bulvas 13 February 2018 12: 00
          +1
          Pasha, hello!
          hi

          We all love to praise our own, advertising - .... you know yourself
          but it seems to me, in this case - they praise the case, the school is decent and people are working in the right direction
          1. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter 13 February 2018 12: 10
            +3
            I agree . Many workers in our defense industry are ready to put up a monument during Lukashenko’s life because they did not plunder like those of the southern neighbors. I know this firsthand.
      2. Bypassed
        Bypassed 15 February 2018 16: 56
        +2
        Very miserable. A complete set of not less than 95% is reached. Even solid fuels are of their own design. But all this is not cool you live. There were losses of specialists during the development of TT compositions. By the way, the chassis can carry 4 or 2 rockets of greater weight practically without alterations. So wait and see. In any case, the export performance of Iskander for the Republic of Belarus seems to be not relevant
    2. Artek
      Artek 13 February 2018 13: 19
      +3
      Well, if Buki is modernized in such a way that Russia would be nice to renew its old Buks, I think the Belarusians will not refuse. Well, Polonaise is for Poland, those. for Poland.
      1. kerosene
        kerosene 13 February 2018 13: 38
        +4
        Come on, my friend. In Russia, the Buk-M3 is already being tested. Launch range 70 km. There are 6 missiles on the SOU.
        1. Artek
          Artek 13 February 2018 21: 49
          +1
          Quote: kerosene
          Come on, my friend. In Russia, the Buk-M3 is already being tested. Launch range 70 km. There are 6 missiles on the SOU.


          uncle, there are no more beeches in their country than the crowns of the Russian Empire, and there are more other beeches, we are talking about them.
          1. melelele
            melelele 15 February 2018 23: 52
            0
            uncle, once again "In Russia, the Buk-M3 is already being tested."
    3. NEXUS
      NEXUS 13 February 2018 13: 29
      +4
      Quote: Andrew Y.
      what can I say, handsome Belarusians. so keep it up.

      And our Tornado-S beats only 120 km ... although they promised to bring it to 20 km. But even this is less than that of Polonaise. Although the issue of accuracy and missile scatter is very important here. After all, the farther the shooting, the lower the accuracy and the spread is higher. The issue of efficiency. Perhaps 150-200 km while this is the most optimal for the ZSO.
      1. KP8789
        KP8789 13 February 2018 15: 49
        +1
        NEXUS
        And our Tornado-S beats only 120 km ... although they promised to bring it to 20 km. But even this is less than that of Polonaise. Although the issue of accuracy and missile scatter is very important here. After all, the farther the shooting, the lower the accuracy and the spread is higher. The issue of efficiency. Perhaps 150-200 km while this is the most optimal for the ZSO.

        Read the article again, carefully. You can not compare MLRS Tornado-S with Polonaise. These are different systems with a similar abbreviation MLRS. Polonaise’s guided missiles and range does not depend on range. The probable circular deviation when firing at maximum range does not exceed 30 meters. In tests, the result was much better.
        1. prosto_rgb
          prosto_rgb 13 February 2018 23: 41
          +1
          That's right!
          Quote: KP8789
          Polonaise’s guided missiles and range does not depend on range.

          Yes.
          5 independent guidance channels. I don’t even know what to think of, to name all 5 pieces.
          Quote: KP8789
          The probable circular deviation when firing at maximum range does not exceed 30 meters. In tests, the result was much better.

          yes, 15m
          part flew even closer.
      2. Abel
        Abel 13 February 2018 22: 40
        0
        Here is another question about the speed of reloading. There is one rocket in the container. And the tornado? and in general, how does the MLRS and the individual tip fit? MLRS by area
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 13 February 2018 23: 43
          +2
          Quote: Abel
          In the container one rocket. And have a tornado?

          Tornado-S has no containers at all.

          Quote: Abel
          and in general, how do the MLRS and the individual tip?

          It fits perfectly. Especially when you consider that the RS to the "Smerch" / "Tornado-S" is very, very expensive and come very close in cost to simple guided munitions with an inertial guidance system with correction according to global positioning data, like the Polonaise
          Here, of course, it is necessary to count, but with a high probability the firing of a group of URS “Polonaise” at an area target will be even cheaper than a volley of “Tornado-S” due to greater accuracy and the possibility of individual guidance of missiles in a volley.
        2. prosto_rgb
          prosto_rgb 13 February 2018 23: 50
          +1
          Quote: Abel
          . There is one rocket in the container.

          1 container 4 missiles, these are the ones that are now in service.
          1 container 1 rocket, this is the one in the photo in the article. But it is still in development and nothing is known about its launches.
          Quote: Abel
          And the tornado?

          like the Soviet tornado
          Quote: Abel
          and in general, how does the MLRS and the individual tip fit? MLRS by area

          fits perfectly, here you need to understand that the emphasis is on the possibility of exactly what the volley
          If there are exact coordinates - missiles are pointing at them, if not then they cover a given square, like the MLRS of previous generations.
          But in general it is probably more correct to classify as MLRS / OTRK
  2. mvg
    mvg 13 February 2018 07: 03
    0
    like. accuracy 0.78 fired a dozen missiles, shot down 1 aircraft. and even then by accident.
    1. Cossack 471
      Cossack 471 13 February 2018 09: 35
      +10
      For three years I taught the Arabs to fight and had seen enough of these warriors. Give them at least gilded weapons. all the same there will be no sense. They always ask for such weapons. so that it itself fought. and “sadyk” was drinking tea at that time. How can I keep the division. if the concept of radio masking is the most vague. They turn on the transmitter on the air and sleep on the floor in the cockpit. We ask. why did you turn on the transmitter? The answer is - so that the Jews are afraid .....
  3. XII Legion
    XII Legion 13 February 2018 08: 11
    +15
    Belarus can)
  4. Fedorov
    Fedorov 13 February 2018 08: 15
    +2
    among which OJSC "Agat

    My first computer in '89 - "Agate", like their production. In the days of ... 16 years. but already a computer. smile Type monitor - Šilalis and a Polish printer. I don’t even know how much it cost my father and where he got it all, although the salary of an officer of this level is 400 rubles. could live.
  5. Firework
    Firework 13 February 2018 08: 42
    +5
    RSO polonaise is a wonderful system, but one cannot believe that rockets fly at an altitude of 50 km, almost in space and the price of such a system especially missiles will not be small, all the same, hail rockets should be much cheaper
    1. mac789
      mac789 15 February 2018 12: 54
      0
      Imagine an object: a command post covered by a pair of systems like the Shell and a pair of Bukovs. Iskander, even in pairs, this may not work. And in a salvo of eight Polonaise missiles, at least one will cover the target.
      1. Varius
        Varius 18 February 2018 00: 51
        0
        A strange argument, Iskander is imprisoned to undergo any air defense, it is stupid to compare them.
        1. mac789
          mac789 18 February 2018 02: 09
          0
          Perhaps, but air defense is being improved.
          1. macgyver
            macgyver 19 February 2018 11: 54
            0
            Like Iskander’s missiles ... I won’t mention hypersonic missiles, which even theoretically cannot be intercepted.
  6. andrewkor
    andrewkor 13 February 2018 08: 44
    +2
    About the part of the arms market for the Belarusians I agree, it’s not all the time to hang on Russia’s neck!
  7. Valery Saitov
    Valery Saitov 13 February 2018 09: 28
    +2
    After the launch of the missiles, such a package module is removed and removed for recharging to the manufacturer, or for recycling, and a new one is installed in its place.)))
    And they will be transporting reloading modules from Kazakhstan or Iran to Belarus, or they will have to build factories in all countries for recharging. I don’t think that this is a budget.
    And most importantly, this is what the policy of the Communists led to, they built defense industry factories throughout the Union and in the neighboring countries to the “brothers”, and now we’ll dissipate ... getting competitors. And you could (thinking) just sell them finished weapons and live happily ... how USA.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 13 February 2018 10: 27
      +15
      Quote: Valery Saitov
      And most importantly, this is what the policy of the Communists led to, they built the "factories" of the defense industry plants throughout the Union and in the neighboring countries, and now we disentangle ourselves ... getting competitors.

      8))))
      You have forgotten to clarify that in Belarus they managed to save these enterprises. Clearly unfriendly Russian step 8))) They had, like us, to bankrupt and close them, in the building- supermarket, machine tools and equipment- in recyclables.

      By the way, "effective managers" of our military-industrial complex are often guilty of creating competitors.
      For example, MZKT. We worked for ourselves, having a single customer of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. And then all of a sudden the dealers from Rostec decided to create production for KamAZ for state money, designed to replace the products of MZKT and BAZ. Again, for government money, the development of the Platform began.
      As a result, the MZKT reoriented to China, and the Bryansk Automobile Plant almost died. Thanks to Almaz-Antey, saved at the last moment by buying a bankrupt enterprise. True, there was a failure of a dozen years in the development of new equipment for the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, but does it really matter when huge budget money for "development" is at stake
      1. Vlad.by
        Vlad.by 13 February 2018 15: 41
        +3
        Is it like, with the hope that China would not "draw" and the MZKT would not "reorient"?
        Now at least there is a Bryansk plant and the platform is poorly poor. And so, in general, they could stay with a broken trough, as they already had with a weather vane dad more than once.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 13 February 2018 19: 42
          +3
          Quote: Vlad.by
          and the platform is poor

          I mean, at the very least? Money spent, but there is still no product ready for production?

          Quote: Vlad.by
          Now at least there is a Bryansk plant

          There are contrary to the activities of the state, and not because of how it should be. However, the price was prohibitive. The design school of the Bryansk plant was destroyed.
          And the MZKT, apparently, is not developing anything for the RF Armed Forces.

          ====
          So, in principle, the “effective” from Rostec have achieved their goal. There is no way out, except to pull the Platform at any cost, because any alternatives, any competition has been killed in the bud.
      2. Megatron
        Megatron 13 February 2018 21: 54
        +1
        China, as always, copied and stole, right now its copies are riveted.
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  8. Ural resident
    Ural resident 13 February 2018 09: 39
    +1
    Basically, if countries buy such systems, then with a guarantee of long-term service and comprehensive political support. not the installations themselves. Azerbaijan acquired most likely due to fear of "failure" of the Russian system in the event of a conflict with Armenia. Well, the issue of price is not the last of course, but all the same, the Russian Israeli and American systems are in favor so far, precisely because of guarantees of long-term support for the producing country. Well, China is catching up in the cheap segment.
  9. engineer74
    engineer74 13 February 2018 10: 29
    +3
    "Polonaise" is a good thing, but what side does it have to the MLRS if it fires guided missiles at point targets? what Or so called in order to mislead the enemy?
    1. Vadim851
      Vadim851 13 February 2018 11: 02
      +2
      I would say MLRS with the OTRK function, a new class of such appeared, you can say .. And shoots in one gulp, but for sure. A tornado or M270, having received a high-precision missile, will not cease to be MLRS.
      1. kerosene
        kerosene 13 February 2018 13: 51
        +2
        He still does not shoot. He has not even been tested.
        1. prosto_rgb
          prosto_rgb 13 February 2018 23: 58
          +3
          Quote: kerosene
          He still does not shoot. He has not even been tested.

          Seriously?
          He is already in service even adopted and entered the army. At least one battery.
          1. Astoria
            Astoria 14 February 2018 01: 15
            0
            This is not a localized rocket, the localization test should only be in 2018.
            1. prosto_rgb
              prosto_rgb 14 February 2018 23: 20
              0
              Quote: Astoria
              This is not a localized rocket, the localization test should only be in 2018.

              yes it's not a fully localized rocket
              but the localization of the complex is already 95%, and began with 65% on the first vehicles sent to the troops for testing
    2. prosto_rgb
      prosto_rgb 13 February 2018 23: 55
      +2
      Quote: engineer74
      but what side does it relate to the MLRS if it fires guided missiles at point targets?

      So that the emphasis is on the possibility of precisely that volley.
  10. DPN
    DPN 13 February 2018 11: 30
    +2
    Yes, it was worth ruining the USSR in order to compete in armaments between their former republics. Belarus had the best electronics of the USSR, so do not be surprised at their success. Good luck to them and Old Man-Lukashenko.
    1. kerosene
      kerosene 13 February 2018 13: 52
      +3
      There is no competition. Russia is ahead of Belarus in terms of new weapons FOREVER!
      1. engineer74
        engineer74 13 February 2018 14: 44
        +2
        There is a suspicion that the spheres of activity of the Belarusian and Russian military-industrial complex have been mutually beneficial for a long time ... Only external clients should not be aware of this. wink
  11. Graz
    Graz 13 February 2018 11: 45
    +2
    so far many advances have been issued whether expectations are met
  12. Astoria
    Astoria 13 February 2018 12: 17
    +6
    1) This is the military-industrial complex !!! I have no words. The same publication - Naviny.by manages to praise the production of glands in Belarus and at the same time blame the Russian Federation for its unwillingness to equip the army with modern weapons for free / for
    next to nothing RB (28/01/2018):


    The story with eighteen so-called Indian Su-30s is eloquent in this regard. These Russian-made aircraft were used for some time by the Indian Air Force and were then returned to Moscow. Minsk seriously hoped that the Kremlin would hand over these used planes to its closest ally for free or at a symbolic price. But most of them left Angola, rich in diamonds, Belarus was left with nothing.


    2)
    According to Dvigalyov, in 2017, the country increased the export of military products by 15 percent, and its own production of military equipment grew by a quarter. According to the Belarusian official, the year 2017 was “a year of conquering new markets” for Minsk: products and services of military enterprises from Belarus were supplied to 69 countries (in 2016 there were 60).
    - If you look relatively, everything looks great, but absolutely - how many of the billion new equipment sold. 25% of what? For many years Ukraine was one of the top 10 exporters of weapons with minimal domestic production.

    I will not say for Egypt, but in the UAE there were about 20 American tankers, at best they could buy 20 more, and at worst there is only information about the memorandum and nothing more.

    Polonaise - the topic is beaten, when there will be the first delivery, then there will be a conversation. The Chinese complex, and so everyone can buy.

    China - more than 70% of the Chinese declared localization of MZKT products back in 16.

    3) Lies, blatant lies and statistics - if you remove supplies to Russia, how much will remain the export of new weapons from Belarus around the world? Only Belarusian officials and generals know the answer to this question, but they are in no hurry to share this information.

    I wish the Belarusians all the best, but without real numbers it’s premature to talk about something.
    1. prosto_rgb
      prosto_rgb 14 February 2018 00: 04
      0
      Quote: Astoria
      This is the military-industrial complex !!! I have no words. The same publication - Naviny.by manages to praise the production of glands in Belarus and at the same time blame the Russian Federation for its unwillingness to equip the army with modern weapons for free / for

      But they are still far from our President;)
      The President criticized Russia's unwillingness to strengthen the army of Belarus and other CSTO members
      Read more: https://news.tut.by/economics/580911.html
      Quote: Astoria
      but without real numbers it’s premature to talk about something.

      absolutely true, and we will probably never know the real numbers
  13. Sergeant71
    Sergeant71 13 February 2018 12: 35
    +5
    I have such headlines do not cause anything but laughter.
    1. kerosene
      kerosene 13 February 2018 13: 53
      +3
      Absolutely agree. This is an attempt to draw the help for the zmagars from scratch.
      1. Astoria
        Astoria 13 February 2018 18: 34
        +2
        As they say, less than six months later, as a mustachioed agronomist asked for money:
        13/02/2018 - https://news.tut.by/economics/580911.html


        “I’m not in the sense of what we want or, once again, as they say, we demand some money for some events. But we must understand that, for example, Belarus is the main outpost, including the Russian Federation, in the western direction, ”the head of state explained. - And here today is the most dangerous direction. Although the concentration of negative phenomena in Afghanistan cannot reassure us in the southern direction. ”

        “Therefore, in this regard, in a serious way, at least after the presidential election in Russia, we need to think and make a decision. We need in a serious way not only to modernize our armed forces, but to improve and more actively adapt to possible hostilities. Possible. Based on the experience of wars and conflicts in modern times, ”the head of state said.

        - I have one question - where is this vaunted Belarusian defense industry, WHERE:

        1) WHERE the Polonez brigade - or was there only enough money for one?

        2) I do not like the T72B3, why they sold 170 T72 to Azerbaijan - they would sit and modernize on their knees.

        3) Assault aircraft in poor condition - why they sold 11 Su-25s to Azerbaijan.

        4) 4 S-300 battalions received free of charge, where the modernized Buki - or they only shoot down flying monkeys for Africa.


        22/01/18

        It is known that Minsk has long sent Moscow orders for S-400 anti-aircraft missile systems, Iskander tactical systems and other new types of weapons. The same list includes Su-30, Su-34 combat aircraft, modernized IL-76 transport vehicles, Mi-28N attack helicopters.

        All these samples were laid down in the State rearmament program. But the Belarusian military has not yet received their income. It seems that the Russians are not ready to supply serious weapons at their own expense or at a low price, as the Belarusian leadership would like.
        1. prosto_rgb
          prosto_rgb 14 February 2018 00: 15
          +1
          Quote: Astoria
          1) WHERE the Polonez brigade - or was there only enough money for one?

          for one
          the battery
          We are peaceful people, we no longer need :)
          Quote: Astoria
          2) I do not like the T72B3, why they sold 170 T72 to Azerbaijan - they would sit and modernize on their knees.

          So the T-72 is inferior to the T-72B3 in terms of characteristics, is it worth keeping them?
          And they drove the T-80 to Yemen, though back in 2010
          Quote: Astoria
          3) Assault aircraft in poor condition - why they sold 11 Su-25s to Azerbaijan.

          11 Su-25s will not do the weather, and it’s obviously more convenient to consider the remaining ones as military, or to write in the forms. This condition, of course, cannot be improved, however, at least the convenience and care of personnel.
          Quote: Astoria
          4) 4 S-300 battalions received free of charge, where the modernized Buki - or they only shoot down flying monkeys for Africa.

          As where? Obviously, at the exhibition! Since they were introduced only in 2018
          1. Astoria
            Astoria 14 February 2018 01: 11
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            Q.E.D!
            1)
            We are peaceful people, we no longer need :)
            - oh well, what are the Iskanders asking for all, or are they dancing their Polonaises every other time? laughing
            2)
            T-72 is inferior to T-72B3
            - This is not about that, where the vaunted modernization from 140 plants, or all only in dummies, but in drawings at exhibitions.
            3)
            11 Su-25 will not do the weather
            - yah,
            peaceful people
            tea Lamans gathered to take.
            4)
            As where? Obviously, at the exhibition!
            - laughing Yes, I'm not even talking about this option, I'm talking about beech-mb
            http://naviny.by/article/20180204/1517736378-bela
            rus-vyshla-na-rynok-vooruzheniy-s-novym-zrk-dlya-
            bednyh

            this complex is already 10 years old, well, judging by the statements of the responsible persons in the Republic of Belarus, the army of the Republic of Belarus does not rearm

            According to Lavrenyuk, the Buk MB is qualitatively different not only from the base Buk, but also from its subsequent versions (including the Buk M1-2, which is still in service with the Belarusian army). “The degree of modernization allows us to conclude about the actual creation of a new domestic air defense system,” said Lavrenyuk.
            1. prosto_rgb
              prosto_rgb 14 February 2018 23: 51
              0
              Quote: Astoria
              - oh well, what are the Iskanders asking for all, or are they dancing their Polonaises every other time?

              Begged for their AHL back in the days of Dmitry Anatolyevich
              Quote: Astoria
              - This is not about that, where the vaunted modernization from 140 plants, or all only in dummies, but in drawings at exhibitions.

              140 the plant can supply digital sights and walkie-talkies - this is done in Belarus,
              but the engines are new - no longer.
              and DZ in Belarus is not done

              Quote: Astoria
              11 Su-25 will not do the weather
              - yah,
              peaceful people
              tea Lamans gathered to take.

              on the open spaces of eastern Europe I will not do because of the features of air defense in this region
              No, we never dreamed of a Lamansh; he is too far from the Belarusian people.
              Quote: Astoria
              this complex is already 10 years old, well, judging by the statements of the responsible persons in the Republic of Belarus, the army of the Republic of Belarus does not rearm

              they probably think that in the framework of the air defense of the Republic of Belarus there will still be enough of these opportunities
              although I also don’t understand why it’s not rearming
              or it’s rearming, but they don’t say in the media that they are military, but here the truth can only be guessed at the coffee grounds
    2. prosto_rgb
      prosto_rgb 14 February 2018 00: 05
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      Quote: Sergeant71
      I have such headlines do not cause anything but laughter.

      And that is great!
      Laughter prolongs life!
      laughing
  14. boriz
    boriz 13 February 2018 13: 50
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    This is what the desire to keep allies on a leash too short results in. Ours refused to sell missiles to Luka, he squinted with China and created Polonaise. Persistent rumors are circulating about participating in cooperation in armaments and with Ukraine.
    So Polonaise can easily appear in the Donbass. Without violating the Minsk agreements, they will stand 105 km from the demarcation line and cover everything that is needed. Including ours, if something serious brews.
    This is not to mention that Aliyev buys Polonaise as a counterweight to Iskander-E, which we sold to Armenia.
    1. Kvazar
      Kvazar 13 February 2018 14: 25
      +1
      To buy something that is not needed, you must first sell something that is not needed. And we don’t have money +)
  15. Lexus
    Lexus 13 February 2018 15: 14
    +1
    Well done Belarusians! hi
  16. Abel
    Abel 13 February 2018 22: 37
    +1
    And ours are nerds, managers in one word. No, in order to work in cooperation, otherwise the toad strangled, they got a competitor. And not bad
    1. prosto_rgb
      prosto_rgb 14 February 2018 00: 23
      +1
      Quote: Abel
      And ours are nerds, managers in one word. No, in order to work in cooperation, otherwise the toad strangled, they got a competitor. And not bad

      Special thanks to Dmitry Anatolyevich for Polonaise.
      What is characteristic, Vladimir Vladimirovich did not hesitate to sell RB TOR-s for the needs of air defense, now the 5th either battery or brigade has entered service. There was an article about it here.
      Otherwise, most likely, it would have been armed (and in this article) with the T-38 Stiletto.
      1. Roma 1977
        Roma 1977 April 12 2019 16: 45
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        I wouldn’t. Because it costs money. And Russia wants to take it for free.
        1. prosto_rgb
          prosto_rgb April 12 2019 17: 25
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          Would be.
          https://topwar.ru/156742-v-belorussii-proshli-ispytanija-modernizirovannogo-zrk-9a331b-osa.html
          1. Roma 1977
            Roma 1977 April 12 2019 17: 26
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            You can experience it. And even take into service. But you can’t saturate the army. There is catastrophically no money.
            1. prosto_rgb
              prosto_rgb April 12 2019 17: 28
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              5 batteries in 7 years would be found
              As for polonaise, they agreed that more was exported than to their troops
              there is also demand for air defense systems
              1. Roma 1977
                Roma 1977 April 12 2019 17: 29
                0
                Yes. 10 pieces per currency can be collected for export. But not for himself for his own.
                1. prosto_rgb
                  prosto_rgb April 12 2019 17: 33
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                  That's it!
                  Export for currency.
                  A supply to their troops for rubles.
                  1. Roma 1977
                    Roma 1977 April 12 2019 17: 34
                    0
                    This supply is not there.
                    1. prosto_rgb
                      prosto_rgb April 12 2019 17: 37
                      0
                      Naturally!
                      The complex is not accepted into service
    2. Astoria
      Astoria 14 February 2018 01: 19
      0
      I don’t know who your nerds are there, but you don’t need to buy rockets from China, or, according to your logic, the Iskander production in Belarus might be worth localizing in order to
      brothers
      not offended inadvertently.
  17. Conserp
    Conserp 14 February 2018 20: 09
    +1
    Polonaise is superior in range not only to Smerch (90 km), but also to the more advanced Russian complex Tornado-S, whose missiles can hit targets at a distance of up to 120 km. Polonaise can now hit targets at a distance of up to 280 kilometers. In this case, the rocket caliber is the same - 300 mm.


    Some kind of game. "Tornado" casts 90 km, in fact, the FAB-250. What warhead in mass can a similar missile throw at 280 km?

    Well, if you look at the sources, “suddenly” it turns out that not 300 mm rocket flies at such ranges, but a healthy four-ton fool (just in the penultimate photo), i.e. we are talking about a full-fledged OTRK, on ​​the MLRS, even outwardly not similar.

    Belarusians - success, but the article - to the scrap.
    1. prosto_rgb
      prosto_rgb 14 February 2018 23: 33
      0
      Quote: Conserp
      Some kind of game. "Tornado" casts 90 km, in fact, the FAB-250. What warhead in mass can a similar missile throw at 280 km?
      Well, if you look at the sources, “suddenly” it turns out that not 300 mm rocket flies at such ranges, but a healthy four-ton fool (just in the penultimate photo), i.e. we are talking about a full-fledged OTRK, on ​​the MLRS, even outwardly not similar.

      About the mass of warhead "Polonaise" has not been officially reported anywhere, therefore, the mass can only be guessed.
      No. It flies exactly 300mm.
      And "a healthy four-ton fool (just in the penultimate photo)" now in development.
      So far, I haven’t flown anywhere, however, it is stated that it should fly 300km, but it has more warheads than those currently in service.
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  19. nikoliski
    nikoliski 17 February 2018 04: 32
    -1
    potato crazy, who will they get around there
  20. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 20 February 2018 11: 19
    0
    Well done Belarusians. The West will no longer be so easy to climb. Although the "soft power" of the West, especially through the psheks, continues the attack on Belarus
  21. Sckepsis
    Sckepsis 21 February 2018 08: 29
    0
    Well, what are you praising here? Shoveled the Chinese rocket to its complete set, and with the active help of the same Chinese. This and the African deer can do. Comparison with Smerchev is generally a strange thing. The tornado is really a MLRS, the goal is to cover the area. Works on the front / front zone. Therefore, the range is very large is not needed. Polonaise is more to OTRK. According to intelligence, here is the warehouse, here is the headquarters, there is an accumulation of equipment. Here we beat. Do you feel the difference?