Every nation has the government it deserves?

All good health!

It so happened that I had not visited the VO website for several months. It was not possible. Now such an opportunity has appeared, I have printed (I can not read in electronic form) all the articles of interest to me during these few months, read them and wanted to share my opinion.

I have a double feeling. On the one hand, the joy of the fact that more and more people are beginning to more critically assess what is happening in our country, and on the other, it’s sad that my fears are coming true. Now I will explain in more detail.

24 December 2016 in the commentary to an article by a respected author “IN” (“If a fish rots from the head, then clean it ... from the head!”) I already expressed my doubts about the president’s desire to change anything in domestic politics.

I recall the main thing:

“... I sincerely love Russia and its people, and also I don’t want to belittle the merits of V.V. Putin ... I do not like my conclusions myself, and I would very much like to be wrong. I have no real hope that Putin will have enough time and effort because of the following.

1. Isn't it populism? That is, the king is always good, these are boyars bad. One tower of the Kremlin is good, the other is bad. I do not believe. A year ago he fully supported (V. Putin) the policy of the Central Bank, when the ruble collapsed, and he also supports the actions of the government today. Yes, just recently, unequivocally urged Russians to vote for the "United Russia". Therefore, such a system and such a leader of its system.

2. The king is really good, and the boyars are bad. Then another question. About competence. Just imagine, I would say to an investor / customer: we did a bad job because I have a bad foreman / foreman / estimator / head of VET / ch. the engineer, and he / they in my building do not understand anything at all, and in general, my orders are carried out through time, and even then only when I am “surprised”! Submitted?

... Personally, my conclusion suggests this: Putin needs not force and not time, but a desire to change the existing state of affairs, as well as the realization that ALL is left as it is to create a threat to our own ruling "elite". I have such doubts. ”

More than a year has passed, and we are going all the same way. I think that it’s not worth scolding V. V. Putin. He simply has other views on development, and he, by the way, does not hide them. He did not deceive us even once. We ourselves ascribe to him that way of thinking, which we believe should be in the hands of the national leader. And he himself says bluntly: yes, exactly, that is the case - this is on the proposal of foreign journalists to say that he is a liberal. In his speech, he says: there is a liberal economy in Russia, and there will be no return to the past! Supports the Central Bank and calls for a vote for the "ER". He also says that he loves Russia and that she will be able without him, but he without her will not. Where is the hoax ?! And what do we want from him?

In addition to the leader, we have “the“ elite ”, our ruling class. Our government is satisfied with everything, and only we are still waiting for something. And watching what happens in the internal life of the country, we break our head, unable to explain the inexplicable and embrace the immensity. We cannot understand why, against the background of loud statements about raising the level of culture, it seems to us to be falling. We are told about the growth of health care, education, industry, about raising wages and living standards, but we do not believe. In our head, statements about the necessity of following the traditional, including family, values, and what is happening on the screens, in theaters, in schools.

All this is reminiscent of a circus tent, some kind of farce.

What is going on? Remember, Beaumarchais: “A wise man does not make sense to listen to everything, he will guess so,” or from Helvetius: “We judge internal movements, thoughts, actions, and other feelings only by our actions”? If you look at the actions of the ruling class, we see that they are contradictory, and there is no answer to the question “what is happening?” But if you look at the motives that guide the “elite”, then much becomes clear. Motivation, in my opinion, is one, and if not one, then the main one is profit. That is money. Personal gain.

If you look at the western “sharks of capitalism”, then we will see that they are quite strong businessmen, hardened in competition, plus the fact that capitalism in the West has been developing for a long time. Let's look at our ruling class, which has grown on the wave of predatory privatization. Most of our ruling class without the budget money of the state is not capable of anything. Such representatives of the "elite" do not know how to create, they can only redistribute. Maybe that's why they are not respected in the West? They tried to enter the world community at the end of 90, but they were not allowed in there (the pig goose is not a friend?), Therefore, in order not to lose their overworked capital, it became necessary to create their own state led by a strong leader. By the way, some representatives of the “elite” themselves spoke unequivocally about it at one time, the meaning is this: we wanted to enter the world community, but we were not allowed to go there. Then it seemed that “we” and “us” were about the people, but in the light of further events there is no longer any doubt who these representatives of the “elite” really meant. At this stage, our (popular and "elite") goals coincided.

And such “businessmen” for the most part constitute our ruling class, and only loyal people, opportunists, can work with them. Others they will not tolerate, hinder pride - they are princes. From rags to riches ... I am sure that there are decent people in their surroundings (someone must plow), but not in the first roles.

With motivation, everything is clear. Now it’s worth looking at their ideology. Their children study in foreign countries, their countries' money and money are in foreign countries, and their ideas are either liberal, or patriotic, and often incomprehensible mixture of all this, plus these foreign countries impose sanctions against them. This suggests a simple conclusion - the complete absence of any ideology.

What about culture? What with education? What with history? I don’t even want to repeat, everything is written before me.

I just want to draw attention to a very important point - the appearance in our country of bestial attitude towards people.

And now we have a ruling class. There are questions: what is his ideology? How educated is he? Is it cultural? How does he relate to our story? To our traditional values?

Personally, I answered these questions to myself. What can we expect from such a ruling class? Which is not cultural, is not educated (one-sided education is not such), which does not have a coherent ideology, does not honor its history and cannot decide on traditional values. Whose goals and desires only one - the thirst for profit and personal enrichment. So it turns out with us: trouble, since the cobbler starts the oven, and the pastor starts to wear his boots. And we understand that:

Who is to blame for them, who is right, is not for us to judge;
Yes, it's still there now.

Personally, it seems to me that there are no enemies of our country in the ruling class, and if there are, then very few. And why enemies when such friends? Therefore, it is not necessary to look for evil intent in their deeds, for it may not be there, neither evil intent nor meaning. They work as they can. (Introduce taxes and redistribute.) Do not shoot the pianist - he plays as he can. Point.

I will quote the words of the heroes of F. M. Dostoevsky: “... but I attack Russian liberalism, and again I repeat that for something, in fact, I attack it, that the Russian liberal is not a Russian liberal, but there is not a Russian liberal” ( "Moron"). This time. “Gregory is honest, but a fool. A lot of people are honest thanks to the fact that fools. ... Gregory is my enemy. It is more profitable to have enemies among friends than friends ”(“ The Brothers Karamazov ”). And if these people are not honest and not enemies? A different fool will be worse than a traitor. These are two. “I, too, for example, believe that fleeing to America from the fatherland is meanness, worse than meanness is folly. Why to America, when we can bring a lot of benefits for humanity? Just now. A whole mass of fruitful activity ”(“ The Brothers Karamazov ”). These are three.

I want to focus on one more moment. Read opinions that our so-called. talk shows are some kind of attempt to push Russophobia. I do not agree. In my opinion, everything is much simpler, amazing nearby. Two points of view are appointed, one is “elite”, the other is frankly Russophobic, such that only a negative causes a normal person. The first is expressed by representatives of the “elite” and TV presenters (small nuances are possible, but not strong), the second - by kovtunas and others. By default it is considered that one of them is necessarily correct. The man, realizing that the point of view of the kovtuna is frankly anti-Russian, agrees with the opposite point of view as the only true one. And who said that among these two points of view is true, because the third point of view is not voiced? Plus, of course, people need to be distracted from internal problems.

Given the above, we can sum up some intermediate result. We expect from our ruling class what it is not capable of giving in principle. Within the framework of the system that exists, do not fundamentally change anything. That is why we observe this circus tent and a farce. And when representatives of the “elite” go to the premiere of the ballet “Nureev”, directed by Kirill Serebrennikov, and applaud - this is no longer a farce, but some kind of besovstvo.

And it is possible to solve a certain cunning plan for a very long time, to think and guess, but is there one. I will say right away, I think that there is. What - I do not know, I find out in the second decade of March. Only two options.

The first is a sharp reversal in domestic politics with the replacement of a large part of the “elites” and the discharge of the mask of liberalism. Stalin, too, "flirted" with the Third Reich, delaying the beginning of the war, however, while not destroying education and health care and conducting cleansing in the upper echelons of power. It would be interesting to look at how gratitude will be expressed to a part of the “elites” by the fact that from “ER” - they say, thank you, that all of you have gathered here and you don’t need to look for you all over the country. It would also be interesting to look at how the leaders of the largest state. corporations and their deputies will be several times recalculated salary in the direction of multiple reductions. And the same with the children of the representatives of the "elite". This is all interesting, but for some reason I can not believe it. Yes, and why in this case it was necessary to bury education, for example?

The second is to create the appearance of the existence of this cunning plan in its absence. Let everyone break their heads and think that there is a certain cunning plan, and try to solve it. We will not dissuade anyone - let everyone look for a black cat in a dark room, anyway it is not there. What is not a plan? From the same series, whether I go to the polls or not. Guess everyone! In Russian, this phenomenon has excellent characteristics - to cast a shadow on the fence or start a crayfish for a stone. There is nothing more to do?

We now have another presidential candidate - Grudinin PN. I have been following his activities on the Internet for a long time, and his nomination was a pleasant surprise for me. Before his nomination, I and many of my acquaintances had a position: in the elections, due to the absence of a column “against all,” to cross out all the proposed candidates and write “I don't see worthy ones”. True, a little later K. Sobchak and this idea "vulgarized."

For me personally, there is no question that P. N. Grudinin is from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, or he is a protege of the Kremlin. I also heard the third version - the United States gave the command “front” to G. A. Zyuganov. It is necessary for yourself to decide whether something needs to be changed or not. Can P. N. Gudinin deceive us? Theoretically, yes, but it will already be a hoax, and the current government is not going to deceive: it is already doing very well. In my opinion, it is necessary to do what should, and come what may. Everyone for himself must decide whether to take a chance or not.

As for the reproaches in the absence of the “direction of movement” of the editorial board of the “VO”: they say, they only criticize ... I think that criticism, of course, if it is constructive, is in itself already a direction of movement. How else to reach the people? We all have to do socially useful things. Constructive criticism is one of them, and it doesn’t bother people, it only helps.

Elites (or their part) out of the people or not? If so, it seems that this is not the best of its representatives. So why do people allow their not the best representatives to wipe their feet on it? You can, of course, remain silent in the hope that it is precisely me that will get around the bad side, but remember what Martin Niemöller said:

When they came for the communists,
I remained silent.
I was not a communist.
When they planted the Social Democrats,
I said nothing.
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for union members,
I did not protest.
I was not a member of the union.
When they came for the Jews,
I was not outraged.
I was not a Jew.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to intercede for me.

I do not compare anyone with anyone, I mean that the side may not get around the bad.

And let's not forget what Joseph de Mestre said in his letter: every nation has the government that it deserves, paraphrasing S. Montesquieu (“Every nation deserves its fate”). If we assume that the people deserve everything that happens to them, then they need to accept and not be outraged. If not, do not boycott the elections, but go to the polls and vote according to your conscience and citizenship. But for this, the whole society must change and cease to be apathetic, apolitical and irresponsible.

Therefore, in my opinion, the editors of "VO", raising sharp questions, are engaged in a good deed, for which my sincere gratitude is to her.

Evaluating what is happening around, I can not fail to cite several phrases that have become winged, and proverbs. “Tell me who your friend is, and I will tell you who you are” (considering this: it’s difficult to judge a person only by friends, because Judah had friends — it’s better not to find) and “What is pop, so is the coming”, also "In the crowd and the chieftain, and in the sheep the shepherd."

In conclusion I want to say: everything will be fine, Russia will survive. Will Grudinin Pavel Nikolaevich or Putin Vladimir Vladimirovich, who in fact has done a lot of good for the country, will the first fulfill his promises, change the second internal course, but in any case, based on the laws of dialectics, Russia will stand. Can not help but resist. It will not be easy, Russia has always been rich in talents: Lomonosov, Pushkin, Kurchatov and many others, but already there is an insufficient number of competent middle and lower level specialists (taking into account the education system) who will solve the tasks set from above on the ground. To train them, it takes several years, and time is running out. I repeat, in any case, we will stand, just want to have less losses.

Best regards, Stepan.

Comments

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Every nation has the government it deserves?

I don’t think ... rather, the government is unlucky with the people

[vladimirZ]

Abstracts of the article:

... More than a year has passed, and we are still going the same way. I think that it’s not worth scolding V.V. Putin. He simply has different views on development, and he, by the way, does not hide them. He did not deceive us even once. We ourselves attribute to him that way of thinking, which, as it seems to us, should be with the national leader. And he himself directly says: yes, exactly, it is - this is at the suggestion of foreign journalists to say that he is a liberal. In his speech he says: in Russia there is a liberal economy, and there will be no return to the past! It supports the Central Bank and calls for a vote for United Russia. ...
With motivation, everything is clear. Now it’s worth looking at their ideology. Their children study in foreign countries, their money and the money of the country are in foreign countries, and their ideas are either liberal, or patriotic, and often an incomprehensible mixture of all this, plus these foreign countries impose sanctions against them. Here a simple conclusion suggests itself - the complete absence of any ideology. ...
Personally, it seems to me that there are no enemies of our country in the ruling class, and if there are, then very few. Yes, and why the enemies when such friends? Therefore, you should not look for malicious intent in their actions, because it may not be there, neither malicious intent nor meaning. They work as they can. (They introduce taxes and redistribute.) Do not shoot the pianist - he plays as he can. Dot. ...
Given the above, it is possible to draw some intermediate result. We expect from our ruling class that in principle it is not capable of giving. Within the framework of the system that exists, nothing dramatically changes. ...
And it is possible to solve a certain cunning plan for a very long time, to think and guess, but is there one. I will say right away, I think that there is. What - I do not know, I find out in the second decade of March. Only two options.
The first is a sharp turn in domestic politics with the replacement of a large part of the “elites” and the rejection of the mask of liberalism. ...
The second is the creation of the appearance of the existence of this cunning plan in its complete absence. Let everyone break their heads and think that there is a certain cunning plan, and try to solve it. Let's not dissuade anyone - let everyone look for a black cat in a dark room, anyway she is not there. Why not a plan? ...
We now have another candidate for president: PN Grudinin I have been following his activities on the Internet for a long time, and his promotion was a pleasant surprise for me. ..
For me personally, there is no question that P. N. Grudinin is from the Communist Party, or he is a protege of the Kremlin. I also heard the third version - the USA gave the command “face” to G. A. Zyuganov. You need to decide for yourself whether you need to change something or not. ...
Therefore, in my opinion, the editors of VO, raising acute questions, are engaged in a good deed, for which she sincerely appreciates her. - from article

The author believes that the ruling class has no ideology. I do not agree with him. There is ideology, and this is the ideology of liberal capitalism, which allows the class of wealthy exploiters to cash in on the working people, the people; use Russia as its pantry for its own enrichment.
And the fact that these are enemies for the working people, the people - this naturally, cannot be in the class struggle of comrades-in-arms, in it there are only opposing opponents.
The existing system of government cannot resolve the class contradictions between the oligarchs who robbed the people and seized power from the people, and here no “cunning plan” will help. You should not wait for any March, the elections, with the victory of Putin V. will not solve anything.
There is only one hope if in the election the people elect a candidate of the left forces nominated by the Communist Party in alliance with the Left Front - Pavel Grudinin. He and a team of communists, patriots of Russia will be able to change the situation and turn society and the state towards a socially just resolution of contradictions. If Grudinin does not win, the representatives of the oligarchic class will prevail, and then the socio-political contradictions in Russia will only increase, with unpredictable consequences in their resolution.

[Tatyana]

A good letter of appeal to ordinary Russians from the author Stepan but "VO" published!
At the same time, the author cited many correct and useful Russian proverbs, urging ordinary citizens of the Russian Federation to participate politically competently in the upcoming March elections of the President of the Russian Federation - with a positive result for the country.
However, I involuntarily recalled another proverb on this subject:
"Eh, ours would be a" calf "yes a" wolf "to eat!"

With the "right" in the country candidates for the presidency of Russia will be a little tight!

[Chertt]

Quote: Tatiana

With the "right" in the country candidates for the presidency of Russia will be a little tight!

Oh, these are the "right ones." Each population group (yes there are groups, small groups) has its own understanding of correctness. And it seems like intellectuals and patriots, everyone cannot give birth to either an idea or a leader. Only grumble (it's age) and argue (it's from narcissism). I will not give proverbs, corny. I will say the words of the respected Vera Kuzmina, "this is such a longing that you can only take ink and drink it"

[Mestny]

They can give birth to an idea of ​​an appropriate level.
Well, if an adult writes that

He (Grudinin) with a team of communists, patriots of Russia will be able to change the situation and turn society and the state towards a socially fair resolution of contradictions.

- What workable idea of ​​a high state level can he give birth to. To select and divide everything, and thus "resolve the contradictions"?
So I agree with the title of the author of the article - we have exactly that power. which are worthy.

[Chertt]

Quote: Mestny

They can give birth to an idea of ​​an appropriate level.

Itself contradicts itself. Such ideas are ripening in Russia, and possibly in parts of the former USSR, for more than one year. And the probability of a conditional "Insight" cannot be ruled out

[Mestny]

Can.
If you are directly related, for example, to the exact sciences, for example to physics, and even if you do not have one, the question for you is: are there many breakthrough ideas and sudden insights from people who are not involved in this science, who are unfamiliar with it, and who do not rely on experience, Developed in these areas over the past decades?
They are not, it turns out.
Why is it believed that the leadership of the country is not a science, and any outsider can suddenly be overshadowed by a workable idea?
If I have never operated a passenger airliner, I will refrain from voicing my brilliant ideas on how to operate it.
Even if they had suddenly arisen in me - this is an occasion to take care of your mental health.

[Chertt]

Quote: Mestny

Why is it believed that the leadership of the country is not a science, and any outsider can suddenly be overshadowed by a workable idea?

No, it doesn’t count. And over the past decades, there have been many scientific, in the full sense, works in areas related to models of state building and management. And there are enough thinkers, scientists who are able to summarize the achievements of several scientific disciplines. And develop a way to control the "new type of liner"

[Mestny]

Wonderful.
What kind of work in this direction do candidates for senior management in the country have? For example, at Grudinin?

[andrej-shironov]

And what do Putin have? And Putin has come to power already by the most experienced?

[Mestny]

Well, he already came, 17 years ago. Before that, he had some experience working in the highest echelons of power. And over the years, I have gained experience in managing the country.
The result, as I understand it, you absolutely do not like
Do you suggest the next one who has no experience to give another 17 years for experiments?
Personally, I will not live to see their end.

[woron333444]

In 91, one wrong was changed to another right. Have raped in full (raped us). For two months now, Grudinin has been unable to hide money; they find everything. Scolded "iPhone" for a cottage on the Volga, and Grudinin in Italy do not want to notice. A candidate who looks west and promises mountains of gold.

[ankon]

Raven, how much can you lie! Even the Chairman of the CEC on February 16.02.2018, XNUMX stated that they have no questions regarding Grudinin. Read and stop in slander.

[woron333444]

ankon She stated that they would still deal with him. And the one who whitewashes this thief slanders.

[Mussasi]

Quote: vladimirZ

The author believes that the ruling class has no ideology. I do not agree with him. There is ideology, and this is the ideology of liberal capitalism, which allows the class of wealthy exploiters to cash in on the working people, the people; use Russia as its pantry for its own enrichment

Mikheev spoke very well on this subject.

[Maki Avellevich]

a set of balloons such as the sun rises in the east and sets in the west.

[AA17]

Dear, vladimirZ. I completely agree with your phrase: "... The existing system of government cannot resolve class contradictions between oligarchs who robbed the people ...". Representatives of the Government, and their supporters, are trying to present the upcoming 2018 elections. as the struggle of all candidates simply for Power, and V. Putin is singled out as the Defender of Russia from external enemies and the Guarantor of stability within the country. In fact, the upcoming elections in 2018. is a struggle of ideas. P.N. Grudinin personifies the power of the people, V.V. Putin - the power of large private and state capital. All citizens of Russia should clearly understand this. "... The most important wealth of the country is the people. Only the people can build factories and plants, grow crops and feed the country, protect the country in case of aggression. Funds must be invested in saving people and saving not in dollars, but in the strength of the people. Here then we really will be strong and independent. And do not care about all the dollars, pounds and yuan including ... "(c)
P.S. When the people were robbed, there was no civil war. And when people try to claim legal rights to their property, they try to intimidate us with the outbreak of the Civil War.

[vladimirZ]

In fact, the upcoming elections in 2018. is a struggle of ideas. P.N. Grudinin personifies the power of the people, V.V. Putin - the power of large private and state capital. All citizens of Russia should clearly understand this. - AA17

Think correctly, comrade AA17. This is the main thing that everyone should know.

[Stanislas]

Quote: AA17

P.N. Grudinin personifies the power of the people, V.V. Putin - the power of large private and state capital.

They didn’t hear if there were any experiments at the Grudinin farm on crossing strawberries with parsley mushrooms? And then his supporters see frequent and vivid hallucinations.

[Evpator33]

Quote: vladimirZ

Existing Management System Cannot Resolve Class Contradictions

Do you think that at present there are classes and class struggle in Russia? It is not strange, but it is precisely the “class of workers and peasants” (according to the Soviet classification) that gives the largest percentage of EP and GDP.

Quote: vladimirZ

There is only one hope if in the election the people elect a candidate of the left forces, nominated by the Communist Party in alliance with the Left Front, Pavel Grudinin

As the WIL said? "Every revolution is only worth something if it knows how to defend itself." You suppose. that even in this case, those in power will surrender without a fight?
They have long had problems with arithmetic, and on March 18th there will be algebra!
They can’t count to 100, but you want honesty. Do not rely on them

[vladimirZ]

Do you think that at present there are classes and class struggle in Russia?
As the WIL said? "Every revolution is only worth something if it knows how to defend itself." You suppose. that even in this case, those in power will surrender without a fight? - Evpator33

Of course, the class struggle is in any antagonistic exploitative society. The class of workers and the class of those who parasitize on their work. This is an objective reality that no one can cancel. It exists beyond the will of those who do not even agree with this.
As for those in power that will not give up without a fight, then ask yourself the question: "Who will protect them?" Army, police, national guard? So after all, they are all from the people, they serve for money while everything is calm. If the people rise for their social rights, all these servants will be on the side of the people, since their relatives and friends are there. No one will protect the “Deripaska / Abramovich yachts”!
As for the falsification of elections, there is one limit, which is called the mass turnout of the majority of voters, after which all the stuffing and falsifications cease to be valid. In addition, election observers, including from other states, act to confirm their legitimacy, and the authorities cannot but respond to them. Vladimir Putin already has a low rating among world leaders and the media, due to a number of reasons, including the long-term presence in power, and the authoritarianism of the leadership.
By the way, in history there have been examples of elective changes in socially oriented Presidents: Salvador Allende, Hugo Chavez. And why can't we have this?

[dSK]

Quote: vladimirZ

candidate of the left forces, nominated by the Communist Party in alliance with the Left Front-Pavel Grudinin.

Crying - for a new Lenin, Stalin. And put forward non-partisan "chameleon" Grudinin. Why didn’t they expose Maxim Aleksandrovich Suraikin, the “ideological” communist, 39 years old. Russian presidential candidate in the 2018 election, from a political party "Communists of Russia." Did not fit into the "kaolitsiya" for ideological reasons? Or "curators" did not miss?
In this election, 15 candidates - for "every taste and color." Give you rrrevolution, and we are fed up with it, "to the neck".

[Evpator33]

Quote from dsk

Give you rrrevolution

Well, why do you identify normal elections with revolution?

[vladimirZ]

Crying - for a new Lenin, Stalin. And put forward the non-partisan "chameleon" of Grudinin. Why didn’t they expose Maxim Aleksandrovich Suraikin, the “ideological” communist, 39 years old. - dsk

dsk, I do not want to discuss with you because of the illiteracy of your statements, and sometimes their absurdity. But here I will answer not for you, but for those who read comments.
Non-partisan candidate Pavel Grudinin nominated by a coalition of leftist forces, and not just the Communist Party, for a long preliminary discussion of a number of candidates. His candidacy led to the much-needed agreement of all Russian patriots, both communists and supporters of other public and party structures, in nominating a single candidate.
And as the recent events of the election campaign showed, this was done correctly, Pavel Grudinin brings together a wide range of people from communists to, in a good sense of the word, nationalists, patriots, and even monarchists.
As for Suraikin and his party, a spoiler created and working only in election campaigns, this is a PR move for those in power who are trying to erode the electorate of voters, supporters of communist ideology. Nothing more.
15 candidates "for every taste and color" - their mass promotion serves a similar purpose - to brainwash people who are little versed in politics.
In essence, elections will be held between two candidates, between two ideologies: - V. Putin, a representative of the oligarchy, who upholds the liberal ideology of oligarchic capitalism, and Pavel Grudinin, a representative of leftist forces from the broad masses of the people, who upholds the ideology of a socially just state for the whole people.
Elections - this is not a revolution that you are fed up with, it’s a democratic process of changing power!

[dSK]

in his letter to Joseph de Mestre: every nation has the government that it deserves

He wrote self-critically, in Christian terms. Perhaps Russia has already given birth to a second Dmitry DonskoyMaybe now he only goes to kindergarten. Vladimir Vladimirovich is more like Alexander Nevsky, with "knights" IG successfully fights in The Golden Horde 2,0 for negotiations - “summits” regularly flies, yasak she pays through the Keri tray.

[Patriot7]

The author believes the ruling class has no ideology. I do not agree with him. There is ideology, and this is the ideology of liberal capitalism.
Of course, you are right. The "elite" part has such an ideology. I just wanted to emphasize in the article that most of those we see in political and public life are insignificant individuals (not as people — I do not consider myself to judge them, but as statesmen).

[siberalt]

Our Constitution is not sharpened for change. That's why she has a Guarantor.

[freddyk]

Quote: siberalt

Our Constitution is not sharpened for change. That's why she has a Guarantor

And why did you decide that one guarantor can, for himself, change the constitution. But it is impossible for another, for the country and the people.

[Antianglosax]

Quote: siberalt

Our Constitution is not sharpened for change. That's why she has a Guarantor.

With the constitution (Russian cannot be capitalized, as it is colonial) the situation is paradoxical. From each iron there is already a cry: “it is necessary to change”, but not a single Edrosovskaya trash even scratches it about this. The guarantor also scored water in his mouth for this item. And who is fooling anyone here? But isn’t it for the Kremlin’s ruin to make stupid herd easier to manage? And why then? I don’t understand what it takes to be a masochist in order to selflessly step on the same rake each time with Putin and the edrosny. Maybe that's why Russia is robbed two or three times more than all other countries - for credulity and short memory? I remember Putin’s remarks towards the relatives of submariners from Kursk, not to wash his face in this life with a liar and a cynical hypocrite.

[freddyk]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

Every nation has the government it deserves?

I don’t think ... rather, the government is unlucky with the people

And for me, this government is very lucky with the people. Although .... we'll see in March.)

[dauria]

Although .... we'll see in March

I don’t give a damn about the results ... That's when I see on TV "The strike of teachers (drivers, doctors, power engineers, etc.) and next -" the union hired the best lawyers to protect the dismissed workers "- then I’ll say - yes, it’s all about okay. Only before that, in my opinion, another 30 years is necessary. I will not live.

We made a picture - they have elections, and we need. So there it is the struggle of the clans of the top, and the struggle of hard workers with the minions below, at the level of trade unions. And a little bit concerns the presidential election - not a single candidate will decide to make the unions angry. We have an unnecessary fiction, a farce. Could themselves "decide" at the top of the "concepts"

[andj61]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

Every nation has the government it deserves?

I don’t think ... rather, the government is unlucky with the people

In this case, the government must dissolve this people and gain a new one!
But in fact, our people have a government that has it (that is, the people).

[Sars]

All the problems in Russia are in the nationality of its elite.
In general, a similar situation in the history of our state was already there, five kings were Tatars (half Tatars), the country was developing, gaining strength.
But with the Jews we see a completely different result, apparently they work for the "central apparatus", outside Russia, and for their bottomless pocket.

[Monster_Fat]

"That's for sure ..." ("The White Sun of the Desert").

[Tatyana]

Sars
All the problems in Russia are in the nationality of its elite.

Well, it’s not in vain that the pro-Western Russian liberoids in power in the passport of the Russian Federation seized the nationality as a precaution, and made an insert in it with its indication completely optional!

I remember how Inina Khakamada fiercely spoke out louder than all and solidly moved this idea to the masses of the first measures of Moscow Gavriil Popov.

[Yura Yakovlev]

Zhirinovsky also contributed to this matter.

[Winnie76]

Quote: Tatiana

Well, it’s not in vain that the pro-Western Russian liberoids in power in the passport of the Russian Federation seized the nationality as a precaution, and made an insert in it with its indication completely optional!

And what are the objections in essence? With the presence of this column people like cheese in butter skated? Or say the entry in the passport that I am a Jew or an Uzbek is changing something in a positive way? Is there more money in the wallet?

[Tatyana]

Winnie76
And what are the objections in essence?

What do you think the titular national suburbs in the USSR have grown stronger and "rolled off" from the country not on a national basis ?! Or do you think that the Russian question has not existed in the titular national republics since the 1917 of the year ?! And what to control interethnic policy in a multinational state to preserve its unity is not at all necessary ?!
The indication of nationality in the passport allows precisely to officially control interethnic policy in a multinational country with the aim of identifying and preventing foci of separatism and rallying nations around the state forming people. And what do we historically have?

On the one hand, the Russian people, who believed in the communist idea of ​​the Bolshevik-Leninists, and, being the bearer of a sovereign mentality, really built up socialism on all fronts of social construction throughout the country as a whole of its multinational homeland. As a matter of fact, he had no choice but to do anything. But at the same time, on the other hand, in the former tsarist national suburbs, where feudal relations still prevailed and there was no own national proletariat, power was gained from the Bolshevik-Leninists and under their control by the petty national bourgeoisie and former local feudal lords. National industry was built by the hands of the Russian and Russian-speaking peoples. Moreover, everything that was truly created national during the years of Soviet power in the once backward tsarist national suburbs - national republics - is only the local national party and Soviet bureaucracy, as well as the national creative intelligentsia that serves it (social scientists, writers, artists etc.). This national party and Soviet intelligentsia objectively retained the national bourgeois-feudal mentality not only in relation to their own working people, but also in relation to the Russians who came to “hunch on them” up to the time of the so-called Gorbachev “new thinking”.
Thus, national problems in the Soviet Union were not only from the very beginning of Soviet power, but also had a national-bourgeois class character in relation to the Russian people. The counter-bourgeois coup in the USSR as a whole only raised national bourgeois deformations that had already taken place from the bottom to the surface during the construction of socialism in Russia, which the Soviet leadership tried not to publicize.
A rather idle question arises: representatives of what nationality initially and during the period of “perestroika” led this process of moving away from the model of classical socialism and why?
Here, in order to “cover up” this glaring question and hide its reasons that the country has not only the existence of the Russian question (already from the 1917 of the year), but also the continuation of the scenario for the upcoming geopolitical collapse of Russia, the Soviet / Russian “democrats" - that is . bourgeois liberals-internationalists of all stripes, including members of the CPSU, mostly of non-Russian nationality — removed the nationality from the passports!

[Tatyana]

Winnie76
Those. as I understand it, the count nationality solved the national question.

Of course I decided! It was not for nothing that in the USSR there was a Council of Nationalities, with the help of which a country could hear the problems of one or another people for their joint balanced solution in the country and express its critical opinion on it! Those who bury themselves heavily in the national plan, the rest put the majority in place. There is no such discussion now.
The column “nationality” was removed from the passports - and thus the Council of Nationalities was also removed!
At the same time, coordinating their actions with individual titular peoples with the state forming the people of Russia - the Russians - and other peoples in Russia became not only not necessary, but in general the EBN announced: "Take as much power as you want and you can take!" What do you think it was ?! Treason to the Motherland! Etc.

[Vladivostok1969]

Or maybe we'll look for a Georgian? I'm not talking about Saakashvili. Chur me, chur

[Monster_Fat]

I would (be it my will) the president would leave Putin, and the prime minister would make ...... Kadyrov .....

[andj61]

Quote: Monster_Fat

I would (be it my will) the president would leave Putin, and the prime minister would make ...... Kadyrov .....

Oh no - chur me!
The prime worker should be a hard worker, and not hold on to fraternity. Here you need someone who looks like Primakov, or at least Nikolai Ryzhkov (not a democrat, but the USSR premier).

[Mestny]

It was already joked about this, the search for a leader. Saltykov-Shchedrin.

[Monster_Fat]

There (at Saltykov-Shchedrin) it’s like the peasant’s generals were looking for who would organize and feed everything for them, wouldn’t they? Or are you talking about "The Bear in the Voivodeship"?

[Mestny]

No, in my "History of a city" chapter, "On the root of the occurrence of the Foolovites"

[Krasnodar]

Quote: SarS

All the problems in Russia are in the nationality of its elite.
In general, a similar situation in the history of our state was already there, five kings were Tatars (half Tatars), the country was developing, gaining strength.
But with the Jews we see a completely different result, apparently they work for the "central apparatus", outside Russia, and for their bottomless pocket.

In the United States, a quarter of the elite are Jews too - but what is the result? )))
The average salary is more than 250 thousand rubles, the average pension is about 120 thousand. The best medicine in the world, (most importantly, pay insurance), the best universities in the world (correctly raise a child and carefully save for college). In addition to real estate prices for all children, but the mortgage is only about 3%,
Israel - sho elite, sho hegemon Jews. The average salary is about 160 thousand. Pension 84. Prices are on average twice as high, but mortgages are 2,5%, consumer loans and business loans are on average about 7%, medicine is excellent, universities are also.
Gentlemen, maybe the Jewish elite is not to blame for Russia's troubles? )))))

[kepmor]

slaves themselves do not need to be ... then the Americans, and the Jews and the Chinese ... ugh and grind ...
the weak one is always looking for the causes of the problem, and the strong one is looking for ways to solve this problem ...

[Evpator33]

Quote: kepmor

you don’t have to be slaves yourself

so far it only turns out

[Monster_Fat]

Yeah, tell me about the "states" and about the "best education in the world", "medicine" there (especially about their availability) .... Well, and the post above from Sars indicated at the expense of whom the "banquet" in these countries ...

[Sasha_Sar]

Withdrew from the language, thanks.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Krasnodar

The best medicine in the world, (most importantly, pay insurance),

Do not la la. There, and insurance, not all high-quality medicine is received. If you cited Europe as an example, then yes, but not the USA.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Quote: Krasnodar

The best medicine in the world, (most importantly, pay insurance),

Do not la la. There, and insurance, not all high-quality medicine is received. If you cited Europe as an example, then yes, but not the USA.

I have been practicing medical tourism for about 17 years and I know what I'm talking about.
Oncology in Europe is weaker than Israeli, Israeli plus or minus is equal to American (only lung cancer is treated better in Israel than in the United States)
Orthopedics is the best German in Europe, approximately equal to American.
Cardiology - the best French in Europe - is equal to American.
ECO, ICSI and more - the best in Europe in Belgium - is approximately equal to the American one.
Reason: the highest fees of doctors, which attracts the best doctors of the world to the States and huge money for medical research at Universi.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Krasnodar

Orthopedics is the best German in Europe, approximately equal to American.

Let’s talk about accessibility for mere mortals?

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Quote: Krasnodar

Orthopedics is the best German in Europe, approximately equal to American.

Let’s talk about accessibility for mere mortals?

I agree. )))
Amer Pts are expensive for tourists and it is advisable for citizens to take the most expensive insurance there. But these are the flaws of the healthcare system, not medicine.

[Boris55]

Quote: Ingvar 72

If you cited Europe as an example, then yes, but not the USA.

And in my opinion, medicine is much better in Cuba than in the USA.

[Mestny]

Israel - sho elite, sho hegemon Jews. The average salary is about 160 thousand. Pension 84. Prices are on average twice as high, but mortgages are 2,5%, consumer loans and business loans are on average about 7%, medicine is excellent, universities are also.
Gentlemen, maybe the Jewish elite is not to blame for Russia's troubles? )))))

Yes, we also heard about this more than once.
For example, if it were not for the "bloody tyrant" Stalin and the Communists, Hitler would not have attacked the USSR in any case, and we would all eat Bavarian sausages.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Mestny

Israel - sho elite, sho hegemon Jews. The average salary is about 160 thousand. Pension 84. Prices are on average twice as high, but mortgages are 2,5%, consumer loans and business loans are on average about 7%, medicine is excellent, universities are also.
Gentlemen, maybe the Jewish elite is not to blame for Russia's troubles? )))))

Yes, we also heard about this more than once.
For example, if it were not for the "bloody tyrant" Stalin and the Communists, Hitler would not have attacked the USSR in any case, and we would all eat Bavarian sausages.

Yeah. And the Americans were not on the moon, the September 11 attacks were arranged by the Americans, and if it weren’t for the Jews, Russia would have lived like Switzerland))))))

[Mestny]

Yes, this is also from this series. More reptilians rule the USA
Cospirologists, adherents of REN-TV

[Borik]

Then Russia should be shrunk to Switzerland ???

[serriy]

Gentlemen, maybe the Jewish elite is not to blame for Russia's troubles? )))))

If you nod to America, where “Jews are also a quarter of the elite,” you should see that it, the TAM elite, lives completely, completely - with all its money, if the money goes where, then the crumbs. And the takeaway idea is suckers - money has no boundaries. Yeah, right now! They would try in a "civilized" country to carry away the loot. Investing in a foreign economy without benefit to America. Live and pay taxes somewhere. They even got away from Swiss banks!
We have special laws for the elite so that they do not overpay taxes (they pay where they live for more than six months, and this is not ours).

[andj61]

Quote: Krasnodar

Gentlemen, maybe the Jewish elite is not to blame for Russia's troubles? )))))

This can be answered with the words of M. Zoshchenko from the novel “Blue Book”:
“At one time, the famous writer Karamzin said this:“ If you want to express in a word what is being done in Russia, you should say: they steal. ”
True, Karamzin himself did not seem to find such words.
Jews, of course, have a relation to this phenomenon, but Russians to a greater extent. If only because there are more Russians in Russia.

[dSK]

Quote: Krasnodar

In the United States, a quarter of the elite are Jews too - but what is the result?

Successfully fulfill the "precepts" of John Davison Rockefeller, the founder of the huge oil empire, the Standard Oil Company, the Rockefeller Foundation and many other companies: "American rose can be grown in all its splendor her beauty and fragrance, only mercilessly cutting weak sprouts around. "
Israel is the "homeland" of the Rothschilds-Rockefellers, from where they were expelled after the destruction of Jerusalem for the crucifixion of the son of God Jesus Christ.

[dSK]

"And Jesus went out and walked away from the temple; and his disciples came to show him the buildings of the temple. But Jesus said to them: Do you see all this? Verily I say unto you, there will be no stone upon stone; everything will be destroyed."
"Jerusalem, Jerusalem, beating the prophets and stoning those who were sent to you with stones! how many times have I wanted to gather your children, like a bird gathers its chicks under its wings, and you did not want to! Behold, your house is left to you. (Matthew 23, 24)

[Antianglosax]

Quote: Krasnodar

Gentlemen, maybe the Jewish elite is not to blame for Russia's troubles? )))))

It’s just ridiculous to cite as an example those who eat at the expense of the rest of the World.
About the Jews who made the state not without the help of Stalin and to whom the Germans still pay tribute, and not only the Germans. SSh also tossed part of the loot from the noble shoulder. Poor example and with a sweetheart!

[vlad_vlad]

Quote: SarS

All the problems in Russia are in the nationality of its elite.
In general, a similar situation in the history of our state was already there, five kings were Tatars (half Tatars), the country was developing, gaining strength.
But with the Jews we see a completely different result, apparently they work for the "central apparatus", outside Russia, and for their bottomless pocket.

Wow! relieved. I thought at first he was hinting at the role of the Germans in Russian history, but it turned out to be just a banal anti-Semite and a fan of conspiracy theory.

Jews, so Jews - only it turns out you consider yourself always more stupid than Jews who constantly deceive you and lead you

[vfqjh]

Every nation has the government that it has. Now, the government * has * the people.

[Mestny]

Always, at all times, in all countries has been and will be just that. And not just "now."

[Sansculotte]

You just have to endure !! Grandfathers endured and we will tolerate!

[petrol cutter]

Hefty beasts however. I agree with the author for the most part. Particularly pleased with the result, hard days have passed, they are waiting for us even harder.
Well, now I have to get ready for work.

[Wolka]

Well, it decided, and it was worth the fence when at the end of "... we stand ..." as clear as day, don’t go to your grandmother, or there’s some other alternative ...

[Stas157]

Quote: Volka

Well, it decided, and it was worth the fence when at the end of "... we stand ..." as clear as day, don’t go to your grandmother, or there’s some other alternative ...

Well, since there is such a predestination, then nothing needs to be done. You can take a passive role, the role of the viewer - we will survive anyway!
I don’t like such a conclusion, as well as the author’s kind attitude towards Putin. Putin has no merit in preserving the country. We are constantly replacing concepts; Yeltsin did not destroy Russia, but the Soviet legacy. Putin, as a conservative, consolidated, maintained this position. Strengthened power (oligarchic)), brought in a new order, after Yeltsin's "achievements". It seems to Sorona that Yeltsin is a destroyer, and Putin is a keeper. And this hour, when Putin is “fighting” (in fact, looking for a compromise with partners! The other day he said that he was sure that they would leave us behind.) With the West, he was primarily saving himself and his friends oligarchs ... but it seems to many what a people!
Therefore, friends, let's go to the polls and vote ... you yourself know for whom. (A warning was sent to me the other day for an offer to vote for Grudinin. I did not know that this was a crime on this site.)

[kepmor]

even though poor people live in Russia ... however ... Putin's promises with his comrades are fed up .....

[Mestny]

That is, now it’s “poor”, and it will be “rich” - if Putin and his comrades are removed?
Or "let it be rich, but not immediately, and then, in the future"?
Or right away?

[Boris55]

Quote: Stas157

Therefore, friends, let's go to the polls and vote ... you yourself know who

I know. For Putin!

Quote: Stas157

A few days ago I got a warning for an offer to vote for Grudinin. I didn’t know that it was a crime

This is a crime against all the people of Russia! Calling to vote for one who was five minutes before his appointment as a candidate was not in the know and therefore did not manage to clean up all foreign accounts in time - this is a crime against the people! Stop holding us for idiots!

[Sasha_Sar]

Enough is enough to keep us for idiots, and "close wag" are not closed accounts of Grudinin.

[Boris55]

Quote: Sasha_Sar

Enough is enough to keep us for idiots, and "close wag" are not closed accounts of Grudinin.

Grudilin’s open account on time only says that he was not going to be president. Well, why do we need this puppet?

[Stas157]

Quote: Boris55

I didn’t manage to erase all foreign accounts in time - this is a crime against the people!

Oligarch ... foreign accounts! Some kind of hysteria from scratch. Colleagues, you forget that Grudinin is not an official at all. He is a businessman! How can one blame an entrepreneur for making money successfully and has different accounts? In my opinion this is completely normal. No?
Therefore, do not tear your hair out of indignation, if Grudinin is to blame for something, then sue him. And let them be thrown into jail, "villain"! If we do not have such laws, then these questions are not at all for Grudinin! And to the current government.
Here Grudinin himself proposes to limit the oligarchs, introduce a progressive tax on luxury and on the rich, privatize commodity companies ... Communist comrades will help him in this. Therefore, friends, we simply have no other choice! Vote yourself you know for whom.

[Boris55]

Quote: Stas157

Some kind of hysteria from scratch.

You want to say that the law is an empty place for you?

Quote: Stas157

if Grudinin is to blame for something, then sue him.

I'm not talking about that at all. I'm talking about the fact that a person, in principle, was not going to be president.

Quote: Stas157

Here Grudinin himself proposes to limit the oligarchs

Bees versus honey?

Quote: Stas157

privatize commodity companies

What is he going to privatize there if the controlling interest is in the hands of the state? Without becoming president, he is already lying, what will happen when he becomes one?

Quote: Stas157

Vote yourself you know for whom.

I know. For Putin!

[Stas157]

Quote: Boris55

You want to say that the law is an empty place for you?

No need to pour out unfounded questions and statements. If Grudinin broke something, then

Quote: Stas157

then sue him. And let them be thrown into jail, "villain"!

Especially hunters would have found the sea! If until now, the army of Edinorosov and other ill-wishers had not found anything to judge Grudinin for, then why shout in the forums that Grudinin had broken the law? You put yourself in the place of the banal dirty-trick and denuncator, the name of an honest man.

Quote: Boris55

What is he going to privatize there if the controlling interest is in the hands of the state? Without becoming president, he is already lying, what will happen when he becomes one?

Well, far from all key oil and gas companies. And then you think that if 51% (in Rosneft mine 40%) belongs to the state, then the rest half cannot be privatized anymore?

[Boris55]

Quote: Stas157

No need to pour out unfounded questions and statements.

The third time I am trying to convey to you that Grudilin, in principle, was not going to run for president. He was appointed unexpected for himself. He is a puppet.
Here is one of those who appointed him:

[MrK]

Quote: Boris55

I know. For Putin!

I agree. I, a citizen of Russia, I’m going to vote for Putin V.V., since he is my future. And for some reason:
1. I completely agree with his program for the destruction of the people of Russia. I am for the huge difference in income between rich and poor.

2. I am ready to give the last money to thieves to the oligarchs, since I do not want to change anything. Let them eat at my expense.

3. I am for Putin's food program. The more expensive and poor quality the products are, the better.

4. I am for paid medicine and education, for drugs and a paid examination at frantic prices.

5. If my children get sick, I'd rather ask the people for money than the oligarchs or Putin will give me them.

6. I am for any new tax on everything. I am for raising prices for everything, including food, utilities and fuel.

7. I am for the fact that natural resources would not belong to the people, but to a handful of oligarchs. And everything was exported abroad.

8. I am for our cities to be filled with millions of migrants, and the Russian people would suffer from unemployment. I am for the settlement of the Far East by the Chinese.

9. I am for raising the retirement age and miserable indexation of pensions in 300 rubles. I have a lot of this.

10. I am ready to take new loans every day, even if I can not give them back. And may my children go around the world. The main thing - let Putin remain president.

11. I am for the collapse of industry and agriculture. Yes, it burns with a blue flame. We will buy everything we need abroad.

12. I am for eternal slavery and humiliation of mine and my grandchildren before the oligarchs.

13. I want my children to relax in the dusty alleys in the summer, while vodka oligarchs spend their summers abroad, spending 2000 dollars a night.

14. I am for the destruction of small businesses with huge taxes already at the initial stage of work.
Our candidate, Putin, has a great program.
It is my choice.

[dSK]

Quote: mrark

It is my choice.

This is no longer plagiarism, but arrogant trolling. Under Stalin, you wouldn’t get away with a dozen, but under "liberal" Putin can continue in the same vein.

[Patriot7]

Cool. Cool program. And where did I just look? I'm with you. But Pasaran!

[dSK]

Quote: Stas157

Here Grudinin himself suggests ...privatize commodity companies ... Communist comrades will help him in this.

You Seven Fridays of the Week - Communists submitted to the State Duma a draft law “On the basis of nationalization in the Russian Federation” (Military Review ● News. 14.02.2018/XNUMX/XNUMX)

[Mestny]

Let me remind you that everything may turn out to be even more interesting - for example, that Grudinin is Putin’s project with the most legitimate form of transferring power to the right hands, so to speak.
And all the breasts, as usual in such cases, are supplies, a mass with socialist pans on their heads.

[Evpator33]

Quote: Boris55

and therefore did not have time to clean up all foreign accounts in time

Do you think that the CEC entered into a criminal conspiracy with Grudinin and covers it? I doubt it. I think that these are consequences of the violent imagination of opponents

[Mestny]

The author uses a slightly more subtle trick in political propaganda and agitation, as if addressing a more sensible audience than the liberoid-teenage previous agitators.
It is for these latter that Putin and the current government are an absolute evil that cannot be trusted, and therefore must be removed in any way.
It became clear to the authors of such propaganda theories that this is losing effectiveness, a significant number of people are smarter and older perceive such rhetoric with horror and indignation, knowing full well that it is stupid and extremely dangerous.
Therefore, an adjustment is necessary in order to soften the position, and as a result try to interest and attract precisely this thinking, layer of society.
The goal, of course, has not changed - to create the most negative image about the current government in the eyes of as many citizens as possible.
Well, elementary, a standard trick.

[Patriot7]

You are partially mistaken (with the exception of the 1 paragraph). I have never been an author of propaganda theories. Why do I need it? I am quite a successful entrepreneur, one could say - life is good, but my children are growing up, and I see where we are heading. You do not understand my goal correctly. Yes, to reach the people, but this does not mean that I am on a par with the bulk, which this power specifically holds for sewage of protest sentiments. And with a negative image, the current government successfully cope without me. If you knew me personally, I assure you, you would not think so.
Sincerely, Stepan.

[andj61]

Quote: Stas157

(A warning was sent to me the other day for an offer to vote for Grudinin. I did not know that this was a crime on this site.)

Strange! “Banshees” - Skomorokhov openly practically called for it - and nothing. The article was not deleted, it is still in moderators. Stranger and weirder ...
Or maybe you were warned for something else?

[free]

Quote: Stas157

Quote: Volka

Well, it decided, and it was worth the fence when at the end of "... we stand ..." as clear as day, don’t go to your grandmother, or there’s some other alternative ...

Well, since there is such a predestination, then nothing needs to be done. You can take a passive role, the role of the viewer - we will survive anyway!
I don’t like such a conclusion, as well as the author’s kind attitude towards Putin. Putin has no merit in preserving the country. We are constantly replacing concepts; Yeltsin did not destroy Russia, but the Soviet legacy. Putin, as a conservative, consolidated, maintained this position. Strengthened power (oligarchic)), brought in a new order, after Yeltsin's "achievements". It seems to Sorona that Yeltsin is a destroyer, and Putin is a keeper. And this hour, when Putin is “fighting” (in fact, looking for a compromise with partners! The other day he said that he was sure that they would leave us behind.) With the West, he was primarily saving himself and his friends oligarchs ... but it seems to many what a people!
Therefore, friends, let's go to the polls and vote ... you yourself know for whom. (A warning was sent to me the other day for an offer to vote for Grudinin. I did not know that this was a crime on this site.)

Then let me tell you, Comrade, maybe it’ll blow!
We vote all for Grudinin!

[Monster_Fat]

Estimate the "nightmare" of the "Zaputinists" and "pro-breastinians": after the election, President Grudinin! and he declares the prime minister ..... Putin!

[Greenwood]

Most likely he will be Boldyrev. And the chairman of the State Council Zyuganov.

[Mestny]

As you deigned to put it, “zaputintsy” are for the most part adequate reasonable people, and such a decision of the new President will be accepted calmly and with understanding.
The most important thing for adequate people is that the new president be elected in accordance with the procedure defined by laws, no matter who he is.

[Sofa General]

By the way, this is not a nightmare. Putin to leave foreign policy, and Grudin to do domestic

[Greenwood]

Putin's ambassador to Germany, let him return to the origins and to his beloved Merkel.

[Antianglosax]

Here I am sometimes tormented by doubts - it may not spoil the ballot, but how can everyone who is tired of theft, lies and abuse of the country and peoples vote for Grudinin? There is still time for a solution.

[vlad007]

When evaluating the activities of the government, one must operate with economic indicators, rather than general phrases, diluting them with well-known quotes. I advise the author to ask how the gold reserves grew during Putin’s rule, how many debts of the former USSR were returned by Russia. It is necessary to say more specifically about the debts - after the collapse of the USSR, Russia took over all the debts of all the republics of the USSR, and the figure there is not small - more than 100 billion dollars. The last 120 million was given only last year. And so on, I do not like to write long, few people read long comments.
The author needs to read not only the articles of the VO site, but also statistical indicators, for example:
Site "Good News of Russia", section statistics http://rus.vrw.ru/category/statistic/next/2

[Vladivostok1969]

Excuse me. And how did the increased gold reserve affect you, or Me, or the pensioner Aunt Klava? Is it good to give debts too, but to lend to the USA when you want to eat yours right? Statistics is 20 million below the poverty line (officially) really appreciate.

[vlad007]

Quote: Vladivostok1969

It’s also good to give debts, but do you want to give the USA a loan when you want to eat your own right?

And in the 90's, how much was below the poverty line?

[Vladivostok1969]

That is, we from one ..ovna got into another. Then why boast

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Vladivostok1969

And how did the growing gold reserve affect you, or Me, or the pensioner Aunt Klava?

Babu Valya

[Vladivostok1969]

I’m not specifically about the Irkutsk woman Valya. And about all the neighbors, all countrymen, all citizens of Russia. And the woman Valya says the very right things.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Vladivostok1969

I’m not specifically about the Irkutsk woman Valya. And about all the neighbors, all countrymen, all citizens of Russia. And the woman Valya says the very right things.

I understand you, and therefore laid out as a representative of the people.
This is where Baba Valya says cool!

[Mestny]

Guys, you already got everyone with this "BabaValey".
Does it not reach you that the dumber and more insistently you use the primitive methods of propaganda, the more people will refuse your candidate?
Thinner must work, finer.
Learn from the author of the article.

[Vladivostok1969]

Do you have a mom?

[Svetlana]

Quote: Stroporez

Quote: Vladivostok1969
And how did the growing gold reserve affect you, or Me, or the pensioner Aunt Klava?
Babu Valya

Through the mouth of women Vali speaks the common people of Russia.

[kepmor]

statistics say ... yes do not care about these tsifirki ...
what good is the people from the gold reserve, if the authorities themselves admit that 20% of them live in poverty ... when the salary of 60% of hard workers does not exceed 30 tons of wood ...
what a blessing ... like the last suckers themselves with a bare ass, but damn so honest and noble ... all the debts still paid to the tsar with the commies .... and they forgave everyone their debtors "from the gentleman's shoulder" and threw new loans ..the pride of the belly tears and the pants are full of joy ...
in January 2009, who was given billions out of money ??? ... to enterprises ??? ... to small or medium-sized businesses ??? ... hell is it ... bankers with oligarchs got it all ... and almost 70% over the course of the year, these funds smoothly sailed to offshore ... even Putin himself admitted it ....
so read less "good news from Russia" ... walk more along the streets and see how people live ...

[Monster_Fat]

read less "good news from Russia" ... walk more along the streets and see how people live ...

For example, it’s enough for me to drop into the “Customs Clearance Zone” (I often go there) to get an idea of ​​what is exported and imported to Russia and in what quantity ...

[free]

Quote: kepmor

statistics say ... yes do not care about these tsifirki ...
what good is the people from the gold reserve, if the authorities themselves admit that 20% of them live in poverty ... when the salary of 60% of hard workers does not exceed 30 tons of wood ...
what a blessing ... like the last suckers themselves with a bare ass, but damn so honest and noble ... all the debts still paid to the tsar with the commies .... and they forgave everyone their debtors "from the gentleman's shoulder" and threw new loans ..the pride of the belly tears and the pants are full of joy ...
in January 2009, who was given billions out of money ??? ... to enterprises ??? ... to small or medium-sized businesses ??? ... hell is it ... bankers with oligarchs got it all ... and almost 70% over the course of the year, these funds smoothly sailed to offshore ... even Putin himself admitted it ....
so read less "good news from Russia" ... walk more along the streets and see how people live ...

I smear a sandwich with oil at once the thought of how people? (Notes of bureaucrats)

[Chertt]

Quote: vlad007

Site "Good news of Russia"

Thanks so much for the link. My respect

[vlad007]

Quote: Chertt

Thanks so much for the link. My respect

Thank. There is also a “Made with Us" website, very interesting, there is specific information on industries (aviation, industry, shipbuilding, etc., with GOOD photos and numbers) throughout the country.
https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: vlad007

how many debts of the former USSR were returned by Russia

And how much she forgave the far abroad!

Quote: vlad007

The site "Good News of Russia", section statistics

There is a saying about a fly in the ointment and a barrel of honey. You are talking about a spoon of HONEY and a barrel of tar.

[Sasha_Sar]

Excuse me, but how many "commercial debts" have increased? The sovereigns repaid their debts due to the high prices for carbon. Is this the merit of the Guarantor? Only for some reason "our" banks including Sberbank, VTB, etc. take commercial loans "over the hill" at 2-4%, and they offer me and you at 15-20%, it's like. A "sovereign" fund, where is it located? I won’t write the same for a long time, I just need to, it was written correctly, to look at actions. Where was Chubais in the 90s and where now. If he were on the bunks, I would have believed the guarantor, and since Chubais continues to "eat deliciously and sleep sweetly," I don’t believe it.

[Patriot7]

Dear, vlad007!
I would love to use your advice, but - already. I have long been interested. I assure you, the author of an article on HE takes a maximum of three percent of everything he reads. These statistics also know. I also know how a huge number of people simply survivesas in rural areas, a huge number of men drink, women work in sawmills, there are Uzbeks, non-drying women give birth to 5 children (and almost all are from different men), these children are hungry, undressed, they are helped by neighbors, and none of there is no business to do with it. And you say - ("peacocks" - crossed out) "gold reserves." (I am writing not about one village in one region, there are a lot of them).

[Monster_Fat]

It’s not worth scolding V.V. Putin ..... He hasn’t deceived us even once. We ourselves attribute to him the way of thinking that we think should be the national leader ...... Who is to blame for them, who is right, not for us to judge; .... Personally, it seems to me that the enemies of our country are there is no ruling class, and if there is, then there is very little .... "What is the pop, such is the parish", as well as "By the rank and chief, and by the shepherd by the sheep" ...... In conclusion, I want to say: that's it will be good

Lord, what a mess in the author’s head ... Remember how the fagot "Serduchka" sang? "Everything will be fine! Everything will be fine - I know that!" Ugh.

[Chertt]

Quote: Monster_Fat

Remember how the fagot "Serdyuchka" sang?

At least it’s strange to use such expressions for a naked peasant

[Gardamir]

In all with the author I agree except for the last paragraph. Russia survived in 1991, but declined. Once again two times so survive and what remains?

[Boris55]

Quote: Stepan

So why do people allow their not-so-best representatives to wipe their feet on him?

Because management knowledge is hidden from the people. Have at least ten higher educations, but if you have not read a single book on management, be sure that you will be divorced in the same way as the last student.
If EP directly stated that it represents the interests of the exploiters and that they absolutely do not care about the people, it would never have entered the Duma.
If Humpbacked called the true goals of perestroika, then the USSR would still be.
The lie, deceit, concealment of knowledge and usurpation of the media, allows you to manipulate the opinion of the people in the direction they need.
As at the beginning of the last century the issue of the fight against universal illiteracy was acute, the same way today should be the issue of fighting against universal managerial illiteracy.

[Vladivostok1969]

Find Gref's monologue at the last St. Petersburg forum. He explained everything to everyone there. Who to manage and how to manage. This is the attitude of the government towards its people.

[Boris55]

Quote: Vladivostok1969

Find Gref's soliloquy at the last St. Petersburg forum

Do you mean this one?


Lenin's statement on the same occasion:


In addition to the visible participation of the people in the choice of a leader, there is also an egorio-matrix management carried out by the whole people. Tired of the people mumble Brezhnev - they elected the talker Hunchback. Tired of a talker - they elected Yeltsin's drunk, tired of a drunkard - they chose the one who needed.

No revolution will give us deliverance. Only by increasing the level of knowledge of the people can a society of justice be built without shocks (not to be confused with egalitarianism).

[Vladivostok1969]

Unfortunately now I can’t see this monologue. Pardon at work.

[Mestny]

The meaning of this quote is that it is precisely LEARNING to govern the state. At that time, it was believed (in the opinion of V.I. Lenin) that it was not only the people from rich families who were able and worthy to learn how to manage, but to learn management.
In fact, this was not entirely true, but acting in accordance with all the rules of the political struggle of V.I. Lenin elevates the problem to absolute, and strongly opposes, arguing that people from the "lower classes" are capable of LEARNING to manage the state.

[AUL]

Quote: Boris55

In addition to the visible participation of the people in the choice of a leader, there is also an egorio-matrix management carried out by the whole people. Tired of the people mumble Brezhnev - they elected the talker Hunchback. Tired of a talker - they elected Yeltsin's drunk, tired of a drunkard - they chose the one who needed.

Those. you claim that their people re-elected, because how tired? The people had nothing to do with this process, in general!

[Boris55]

Quote from AUL

Those. you claim that their people re-elected, because how tired?

“Many things are not understandable to us, not because our concepts are weak, but because these things are not included in the circle of our concepts” K. Prutkov
What have you heard about the erectile-matrix management? Looks like no. Get acquainted - in the internet there is enough material on this issue.

[Svetlana]

Quote: Boris55

Lenin's statement on the same occasion:

Boris! I do not recognize you in makeup! You started to quote V.I. Lenin! So he claims the exact opposite of Gref. Here you can agree unconditionally. I just want to note that Gorbachev did not choose the people, but the party nomenclature, corrupted by that time. The people had hopes for Yeltsin, but he simply circled everyone around his finger. Not all of them could immediately "calculate" due to the lack of information about what is happening in the country in reality. Many believed that, indeed, progressive changes were taking place in the country.

Quote: Boris55

No revolution will give us deliverance.

I will argue with that. Only revolution in all historical times gave people deliverance. It is important to understand the goals of the revolutionaries. End justifies the means. And, as has already been said here by respected Vladimir, elections are not a revolution, but a democratic change of power.

Quote: Boris55

Only by increasing the level of knowledge of the people can a society of justice be built without shocks (not to be confused with egalitarianism).

And I can only applaud this statement! However, in defending the current government, you agree to its deliberate actions to numb, fool and general debilitation in accordance with the expressed Gref.

[Boris55]

Quote: Svetlana

Only revolution in all historical times gave people deliverance.

Practice is the criterion of truth. Not a single revolution has given the people deliverance. Only under the harsh rule of Stalin, the people were given a breath of air. The people to this day do not have management knowledge, which enables the owners of such knowledge to set themselves an exorbitant price for their managerial work.

[Svetlana]

Quote: Boris55

Practice is the criterion of truth.

Exactly. All bourgeois revolutions in Europe changed the feudal foundations to more democratic ones. The same applies to the revolution in Russia. Only our people were given true freedom by the socialist revolution, but the bourgeois revolution led to complete chaos. The period of Stalin's rule is just characterized by rigidity, with the aim of educating a new generation of educated people with intangible thinking. If we continued to walk stubbornly toward the intended goal, then the most talented, hardworking, and educated would have turned out to be the highest caste, possessing the sacred knowledge that you may have in mind. Stalin had such a goal - to change the power of partocracy to the power of this higher caste, cultivated on intangible values.

[Antianglosax]

Quote: Boris55

Only by increasing the level of knowledge of the people can a society of justice be built without shocks (not to be confused with egalitarianism).

So far, the ruling gang of leather is climbing to massively debilitate the population of Russia in all available ways.

[akudr48]

Stepan said you couldn’t say better

1. everything will be fine, Russia will stand. Will Grudinin Pavel Nikolaevich or Putin Vladimir Vladimirovich, who in fact did a lot for the country, even based on the laws of dialectics, Russia will stand.

That is, it is the same whether the first one, which has not done anything in fact for the country, or the second one, which, on the contrary, thanks to the dialectic, has done a lot of good for the country, Russia, our beloved country, can stand it. Here Stepan guarantees that Stepan, as a psychotherapist with a knowledge of dialectics, is responsible, everything is under control, we are stable.

2. If we assume that the people deserve everything that happens to them, then they need to come to terms and not be indignant. If not, then do not boycott the elections, but go to the polls and vote according to your conscience and citizenship.

Stepan suggested that since to each his own, then you can put up, but you can vote. Because freedom. True, where is the point of voting, if it doesn’t matter that Pavel Nikolayevich is Vladimir Vladimirovich, and Russia can stand it, it turns out that changing P to G is only time to lose ...

3. I think that it’s not worth scolding V.V. Putin. He simply has different views on development, and he, by the way, does not hide them. He did not deceive us even once.

Stepan, you can’t say better, he has different views, he doesn’t hide them, he didn’t deceive, it’s never once!
For example, he did not promise that the income level would not fall 2 times with the ruble, which fell 2 times, which means he did not deceive, he did not promise.
Or, he did not promise not to freeze the pensions, that the pensions would not increase, and did not deceive, the pensions did not increase, in full accordance with his not a promise.
And of course, he did not promise that 100 billionaires would not appear in Russia during his reign, who would not take> $ 1 to the foe, and did not break his promise, well done, as befits an honest man.

Stepan, because how true it is, how right it is, that it’s not so important, the main thing is that he hasn’t deceived us even once, therefore he will never deceive us in the next 6 years, and Russia, by itself, can stand it!

[Patriot7]

Dear akudr48!
It seems to me that you did not quite understand me correctly, saying "how true it is, how it is correct, that all this is not so important, the main thing he did not deceive us even once, therefore in the next 6 years he never deceived, and Russia, by itself, stand! " - No, I do not think that the main thing is that I did not deceive, I wrote it with irony. And so that Russia does not stand by itself, I call for responsibility.
Sincerely, Stepan.

[Chichikov]

Is this the proclamation of Moses?
"There was no me," for several months, and everyone in the VO roamed herd ... I returned and I want to open your eyes ...

In VO, for several years, right before our eyes, a group of "opposition-defrauded" political and patriotic interest holders was formed - "all are missing people", dissenting, offended, undeservedly unnoticed by the government patriots and advisers - the level of ministers and chief of the General Staff, and others " saviors of Russia. "
Well yes, now you can! Russia is no longer in the 90s — gangster criminal groups of those years are gone — history, like the two Chechen wars, is no longer given out salaries with pots and glass containers, the army, - has again become an army, and not a retirement association , dozens of giants of the military-industrial complex, and with it hundreds of related enterprises - work, external debts - paid off, Russia's gold reserves - came in sixth in the world, Russia - again, a world power, not a "call girl" ... now you can! Now, ahead of the rest, a new class is creative. Innovative, creative and creative!

[BAI]

I just want to draw attention to a very important point - the appearance in our country of bestial attitude towards people.

That's what I wrote about yesterday. Only this attitude has existed for a long time - our officials are no better than the oligarchs and can exist only in Russia.

[Boris55]

Quote: BAI

our officials are no better than the oligarchs and can only exist in Russia.

And you, except in Russia, in other countries with officials, what thread did you try to solve?

[Mestny]

There is such a joke.
Meet two friends on the street. And one to another - "Long time no see. How, yourself, as a wife, children, how to work ..." And then - lend money.
And the second answers him - you know ... kiss me on the neck.
- What does the neck have to do with it?
“Well, you also started from afar.”
Dear author of the article - I understand for Grudinin.
It was not necessary to try so hard, write so much with an abundance of quotes.
Serious people understand this all, but will not vote for him.
But for shkolota need simpler arguments.
Past

[Greenwood]

Quote: Mestny

But for shkolota need simpler arguments.

Well, you’re like an adult, and the argument “in the 90s was worse” was enough for you to keep the same person in power for almost 20 years.

[Mestny]

This is not an argument.
This is a real life in which I personally lived.
This may or may not be an argument only for those born around 2000.

[free]

Quote: Mestny

This is not an argument.
This is a real life in which I personally lived.
This may or may not be an argument only for those born around 2000.

Oh well, I also remember 90, we didn’t leave them much. As we were in ... we stayed, we set up a beautiful facade and that's it.

[Greenwood]

Quote: Mestny

This is not an argument.
This is a real life in which I personally lived.

And what, on the basis of the fact that once 20 years ago you lived even worse, did not change anything in the country? At the same time, you can clearly see what kind of economic policy the government of your beloved guarantor is pursuing, what corruption he spread among his circle, how all his friends and associates have become the richest people in the country. Why do you keep it, only out of fear "if only the 90s would not be repeated"? Is this not a childish approach? Adults go forward and are not afraid of change. And even more so they are not afraid to get out of the swamp.

[Svetlana]

Quote: Mestny

This is not an argument.
This is a real life in which I personally lived.
This may or may not be an argument only for those born around 2000.

And I still remember 70 and 80, in addition to 90. Can you imagine? And I somehow liked them more. Until the last Gorbachev years, of course.

[prior]

There is an assumption that society is developing in a spiral, cyclically.
After the cycle of non-socialism, another round came: either neo-slavery, or neo-feudal serfdom.
In a word, there are masters of everything and there are serfs, deprived of everything .... The development of social institutions (medicine, education, culture .....) is appropriate.
Unfortunately, only external influence can change the system fundamentally, as happened as a result of the First World War.

[serriy]

They say that Rodchenkov hid behind the ocean. And we Grudinin surfaced.

[Vladivostok1969]

Quote from serry

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They say that Rodchenkov hid behind the ocean. And we Grudinin surfaced.

And he did plastic surgery. All the similarities are optical illusion.

[fa811147]

Respect for the author

[sib.ataman]

In order for the play to be interesting and keep the audience in suspense to the end, according to the laws of the genre, the characters and actors must be colorful and diverse, then the old Stanislavsky will be pleased.

[Svetlana]

Quote from serry

They say that Rodchenkov hid behind the ocean. And we Grudinin surfaced.

Well, after the fifth mug of beer, it still doesn’t seem like that. You do not forget that it was a natural beer in the USSR, and now there is a large part of the chemistry there, keep it light, or else horses will climb from the wall.

[Mestny]

Quote: vlad007

When evaluating the activities of the government, one must operate with economic indicators, rather than general phrases, diluting them with well-known quotes. I advise the author to ask how the gold reserves grew during Putin’s rule, how many debts of the former USSR were returned by Russia.

The author does not need this. He has a different task, propaganda. It is aimed at an audience that does not own any economic information except their own wallet, that is, at most of the citizens.
Only this time, they are trying to brainwash them with “moderately dissatisfied” and “generally consonant”.

[Vladivostok1969]

And you are embarrassed to ask broadcasting not for propaganda purposes? Probably for our development. You own all the economic information and don’t care about your wallet. Are you an oligarch? Are you in the minority?

[Mestny]

In propaganda, but what about.
Any discussions concerning the topic of elections and politics in general directly relate to these very goals. You, too, participating in this conversation speak out for propaganda purposes.
Regarding economic information, I will say this - I do not own one at the level of governing the country, like the vast majority of citizens. Therefore, I can not say on this basis that everything is “bad” with us. And note, I am not saying the opposite.
However, be that as it may - it works, I mean the country. Until the last hedgehogs are eaten, we are still far away, no matter what they say.
Some offer to take all this and change it, claiming that it will be much better. I naturally ask them a question - where did you get what would be better?
For example, it is not at all obvious to a simple layman who listened to what the candidates are saying about themselves.
Well, and as a person very involved in technology, I recall a simple popular rule - if something that you don’t understand is working, even if it seems bad to you, don’t touch unfamiliar hands, don’t press unfamiliar buttons.
This is exactly what I propose to do - do not press the buttons, the purpose of which we have a very poor idea. And even more so do not try to make it out.

[free]

Quote: Mestny

In propaganda, but what about.
Any discussions concerning the topic of elections and politics in general directly relate to these very goals. You, too, participating in this conversation speak out for propaganda purposes.
Regarding economic information, I will say this - I do not own one at the level of governing the country, like the vast majority of citizens. Therefore, I can not say on this basis that everything is “bad” with us. And note, I am not saying the opposite.
However, be that as it may - it works, I mean the country. Until the last hedgehogs are eaten, we are still far away, no matter what they say.
Some offer to take all this and change it, claiming that it will be much better. I naturally ask them a question - where did you get what would be better?
For example, it is not at all obvious to a simple layman who listened to what the candidates are saying about themselves.
Well, and as a person very involved in technology, I recall a simple popular rule - if something that you don’t understand is working, even if it seems bad to you, don’t touch unfamiliar hands, don’t press unfamiliar buttons.
This is exactly what I propose to do - do not press the buttons, the purpose of which we have a very poor idea. And even more so do not try to make it out.

And where did you get what is offered take everything and changeread the program?

[Greenwood]

Quote: Mestny

Well, and as a person very involved in technology, I recall a simple popular rule - if something that you don’t understand is working, even if it seems bad to you, don’t touch unfamiliar hands, don’t press unfamiliar buttons.

It does not work well, the efficiency is very low, which means that it is necessary to repair and change components.

[Svetlana]

Quote: Greenwood

It does not work well, the efficiency is very low, which means that it is necessary to repair and change components.

It is necessary to change the gasket between the steering wheel and the seat.

[would]

He did not deceive us even once.

Especially with campaign promises and May decrees ...

[fa811147]

Everyone understands that nothing depends on the election. Statistites and real rulers are put in place for 20 years in advance. The choice is proposed to be made between the disgusting and the disgusting. You can only hope for "jumping out of the box unknown to anyone." About ideology - the true truth.

[Petr1968]

Quote: fa811147

You can only hope for "jumping out of the box unknown to anyone."

Who will vote for no one knows. EVERYONE will vote for someone about whom they’ve been twisting movies on Prime Channel for three days in prime time, how smart and cool he is. And who owns 1 channel?

[passing]

Great article! A bunch of pluses!
Until we change the "elite" there will be no improvement. And the elite can be changed by changing the president.
Putin strengthened the country, but strengthened for the oligarchic and bureaucratic elites.
The rest will die on the way to a brighter future.
Allow drunken judges and prosecutors to roll along the roads, is this not a confirmation that the law in the Russian Federation is for the mob, and not for the elites.

[Mestny]

How can one “change the elite" was perfectly demonstrated by ex. Ukraine.
Especially vividly showed themselves ordinary alternate changers with pots on their heads.

[Winnie76]

Quote: passing

Great article! A bunch of pluses!

From quotes in the eyes ripples

[Petr1968]

The author concocted an election campaign ... and allegedly gave out for his opinion))
For "I am for Putin" - no one will pay .. And for "reflections" on several pages, they can))
And how does the author have two candidates left at the end? In general, the Kremlin divided it into two groups - right and left, with several candidates on each side. It seems like they should "cover" the entire audience that will come ... and lose to Putin))
And how much can you write nonsense about the fact that Putin or the Central Bank brought down the ruble. If you understand this - write specific mistakes, no - keep quiet in a rag. And then as with the fallen plane, the circle of "experts", the circle of terrorist attacks and innocent crews.

[cedar]

Quote: woron333444

In 91, one wrong was changed to another right. Have raped in full (raped us). For two months now, Grudinin has been unable to hide money; they find everything. Scolded "iPhone" for a cottage on the Volga, and Grudinin in Italy do not want to notice. A candidate who looks west and promises mountains of gold.

So that's the calculation of the USA and the West. After all, if their main candidate for one reason or another is removed from the election. He, humiliated and insulted, becomes the head of the humiliated and insulted, all this cube is twisted according to the well-known scenario of Maidan, and here our author Styopa, in a place with other such styopa, briskly walks along the streets of Moscow, St. Petersburg and other Russian cities to the Maidan. The US ambassador rubs his handles fairly well and generously sprinkles with his greens the flaming fire of burning tires in Russia, which he set fire to from four ends.
See the root. USA vs Putin. USA for Grudinin.
Sovereignty. Russia. Putin

[Petr1968]

Quote: cedar

See the root. USA vs Putin. USA for Grudinin.
Sovereignty. Russia. Putin

GRUDININ-PEOPLE-Sovereignty-GREAT RUSSIA !!!!
We will save Russia from the gang of "friends" who have seized the possessions of our Dedods and Fathers !!!! All for GRUDININA !!!
Grudinin himself was able to earn and make a rich country. And the "buddies" of the current all STORED !!!

[Mestny]

In capital letters on the Internet they write who is known.
No shame.

[Vladivostok1969]

They didn’t steal friends. They gave them to plunder the whole country. They put the security forces on guard. And they collected a thought that passed laws for friends. And Putin himself is certainly a patriot, statesman, and populist. Choose-lose! Have I forgotten anything?

[Petr1968]

Quote: Vladivostok1969

Friends didn’t steal. They gave them to plunder the whole country.

butter

[Petr1968]

Quote: Vladivostok1969

And Putin himself is certainly a patriot, a statesman, and a populist. Choose-lose! Have I forgotten anything?

Putin, in your opinion is not a patriot? And the Crimea?

[Vladivostok1969]

And where does Crimea come from? And if it’s Crimea, then where are the DPR and LPR? And why are we giving Ukraine people who took part in hostilities in these republics. How is Donetsk and Lugansk different from Tskhinval? Are there other people living there?

[Petr1968]

Quote: Vladivostok1969

And where does Crimea come from? And if it’s Crimea, then where are the DPR and LPR? And why are we giving Ukraine people who took part in hostilities in these republics. How is Donetsk and Lugansk different from Tskhinval? Are there other people living there?

Do you answer from a patriotic point of view or from a logical one? As you know, these are two different answers.

[Vladivostok1969]

In any case, from a patriotic point of view, that from a logical point of view, there should be a certain sequence. In the case of our current president, this is not the case. It started out fine. Against the background of the wino, he looked much more presentable and inspired hope.
Yes. He stopped the war. We remember and appreciate it. But nothing more has been done for the country (we don’t take Crimea into account). Summits and the Olympiad were from Vladivostok and Sochi Thank you very much. But in Russia there are thousands of cities that were on the sidelines such events. At the same time, they were left without hospitals, schools, city-forming enterprises. It turns out they added in one place, but gathered from all over the country. Patriotism.

[Lev Bronsch]

and you will be surprised, yes, other people live there. Honestly, others! Basically, the "hatskrayniki", which under any authority, if only they would not touch. But in the Crimea, Tskhinval, Abkhazia - others. Not angels at all, people, but others !! In Simferopol, 300 of the population on an area of ​​000 steadily emerged, in Sevastopol, up to 35, and the city is larger. Donetsk, millionaire - up to 000! All you need to know about the so-called. LDNR! In Kharkov, much more came out! This I naturally consider anti-junta rallies)). In the southeast, real Ukrainian disassemblies. And the only thing that our people do there is to prevent the ukronatsiks from switching to ethnic cleansing. And so there is that in Kiev, that Vinnitsa, that in Donetsk one by one - the oaths of Muscovites, fat zil, etc. So there is social. polls by the way Putin mentioned before the start of the "Crimean spring". How do you think up in Donetsk-Lugansk-Kharkov there were no such opinion polls? Think about their result ...

[Svetlana]

Quote: Lev Bronsch

How do you think up in Donetsk-Lugansk-Kharkov there were no such opinion polls? Think about their result ...

But we were told in the news that people held referenda there and the people voted “for” the connection with Russia. Is that also a lie? There were no referenda?

[Svetlana]

Quote: Vladivostok1969

And where does Crimea come from? And if it’s Crimea, then where are the DPR and LPR? And why are we giving Ukraine people who took part in hostilities in these republics. How is Donetsk and Lugansk different from Tskhinval? Are there other people living there?

And why were they removed and who were the best military commanders who fought there at the behest of their hearts, for the idea of ​​the Russian world? There are very bad assumptions, for me they are obvious.

[free]

Quote: cedar

Quote: woron333444

In 91, one wrong was changed to another right. Have raped in full (raped us). For two months now, Grudinin has been unable to hide money; they find everything. Scolded "iPhone" for a cottage on the Volga, and Grudinin in Italy do not want to notice. A candidate who looks west and promises mountains of gold.

So that's the calculation of the USA and the West. After all, if their main candidate for one reason or another is removed from the election. He, humiliated and insulted, becomes the head of the humiliated and insulted, all this cube is twisted according to the well-known scenario of Maidan, and here our author Styopa, in a place with other such styopa, briskly walks along the streets of Moscow, St. Petersburg and other Russian cities to the Maidan. The US ambassador rubs his handles fairly well and generously sprinkles with his greens the flaming fire of burning tires in Russia, which he set fire to from four ends.
See the root. USA vs Putin. USA for Grudinin.
Sovereignty. Russia. Putin

And Putin for whom?

[andrej-shironov]

Well-done author! It is a pity that part of the people voting for Putin does not understand such obvious things! Although I repeat again: my relatives and I do not go to these elections!

[Vladivostok1969]

And you, too, feel the obvious things you don’t understand, since you don’t go to the polls

[andrej-shironov]

What for example?

[Petr1968]

And our people are different. There is a professor, and there is Vasya from the carpool in 8 classes. There are those who live in Moscow and traveled half the world, and there are those who did not travel beyond their village. There are incomes of 500 mp per month, but there are 5000 rubles .. What kind of people are you talking about?

[andrej-shironov]

I'm just in the middle. I’m speaking for these people.

[Mestny]

Although I repeat again: my relatives and I do not go to these elections!

Do not go, do not. Here you are personally with your loved ones.
Better go those who adequately perceive reality.

[Petr1968]

Better go those who adequately perceive reality.

How do you know about adequate reality? Kiselev and Solovyov were told?)))
In general, one can just as well go and vote so that the Sun rises in the morning and sets in the evening. Why not hold such elections, it seems to me that it is very important !!!

[andrej-shironov]

In this case, everything is exactly the opposite, those who really assess the situation in the country either do not go to the polls or vote in protest for Grudinin.

[free]

Quote: andrej-shironov

Well-done author! It is a pity that part of the people voting for Putin does not understand such obvious things! Although I repeat again: my relatives and I do not go to these elections!

You need to go to the elections, if you don’t want to vote for anyone, so spoil the ballot paper so that nobody gets it.

[Svetlana]

Quote: andrej-shironov

Well-done author! It is a pity that part of the people voting for Putin does not understand such obvious things! Although I repeat again: my relatives and I do not go to these elections!

There is no turnout threshold. 10 people will come to the polls, vote for Putin, and the whole country will be announced that Russia unanimously chose Putin! Harboring!

[andrej-shironov]

Svetlana, on the occasion of his failure to appear, wrote repeatedly, too lazy to repeat.

[Enoch]

Managers rule Russia. This power is not from God - they are on their own mind.

[Mestny]

Yes, this is what happens under capitalism.
In Russia, capitalism.
What's wrong?

[Petr1968]

Quote: monk

Managers rule Russia. This power is not from God - they are on their own mind.

There is no God, all power is popular!

[flicker]

When I started to read, for some reason I remembered the words from the movie: "I am tormented by vague doubts ... Shpak has a tape recorder, the ambassador has a medallion ..." The author began to lay so softly and insinuatingly ... and I began to believe, Suddenly

We now have another candidate for president: PN Grudinin I have been following his activities on the Internet for a long time, and for me it was a pleasant surprise

and everything fell into place.
IMHO. Putin is just realist. If you find yourself in a forest, then build a house of wood; If you find yourself among the stones, then build a house of stone. Putin, when he became president, then there were liberals around. The country survived by selling gas, i.e. was part of the liberal world economy. It was fraught to smash liberalism even inside Russia (and even if there was a war in Chechnya), this could create additional difficulties for gas exports.

Yes, just recently, he explicitly called on Russians to vote for United Russia. Therefore, such a system and such a leader of hers, system.

At the same time, the EP has been significantly updated - is this nothing to say? Well, why upgrade EP if everything suits her? Or do we only see what we want to see? But you need to see it, because it weakens the claims, like, he doesn’t want to change anything.

Russia will stand. Will Grudinin Pavel Nikolaevich or Putin Vladimir Vladimirovich,

But this thesis is clearly from the evil one. Since Grudinin is only a replacement for Navalny, the berries of one glade.

[Vladivostok1969]

Quote: flicker

Putin, when he became president, then there were liberals around. The country survived by selling gas, i.e. was part of the liberal world economy. Smashing liberalism even inside Russia was fraught

And now please answer who is Gref, Kudrin, Sechin, Medvedev. They are not liberals? Then who?

[cedar]

Quote: Vladivostok1969

They didn’t steal friends. They gave them to plunder the whole country. They put the security forces on guard. And they collected a thought that passed laws for friends. And Putin himself is certainly a patriot, statesman, and populist. Choose-lose! Have I forgotten anything?

Vukraine forgot completely. And Putin, of course, is a patriot, a statesman and a real man, that is why pederasts in Russia do not go around under the numerous police protection, as in Vukraine. But like you it’s on the drum, but I don’t.
Sovereignty. Russia. Putin

[Petr1968]

Quote: cedar

And Putin, of course, is a patriot, a statesman and a real man, that is why pederasts in Russia do not go around under the numerous police protection, as in Vukraine.

But under Gorbachev, too, they didn’t go around, so what? And when Grudinin will roam? But why remember Ukraine? You will drive 150 km from the MKAD ... and tell me which terrorists bombed the roads and villages. And then look at the houses of deputies and officials and ask where the servants of the people have palaces of billionaires with ponds and ducks. And where does Ukraine have to, and why not Belarus or Kazakhstan. Or maybe then someone like Kadyrov will be even better ??
PUTIN- Stagnation-excuses that all because of the enemies-no movement forward!
ANY mechanism needs to be replaced over time. The time has come. Need a change !!! Like in Singapore or China, breakthrough !!!

[free]

Quote: cedar

Quote: Vladivostok1969

They didn’t steal friends. They gave them to plunder the whole country. They put the security forces on guard. And they collected a thought that passed laws for friends. And Putin himself is certainly a patriot, statesman, and populist. Choose-lose! Have I forgotten anything?

Vukraine forgot completely. And Putin, of course, is a patriot, a statesman and a real man, that is why pederasts in Russia do not go around under the numerous police protection, as in Vukraine. But like you it’s on the drum, but I don’t.
Sovereignty. Russia. Putin

Who forbade to touch the buggers? If they could explain to them popularly right on the street that it is not good, they would never have been. Who does not allow them to be touched?

[Antianglosax]

Quote: cedar

Sovereignty. Russia. Putin

Holy naivety! If Putin needed the sovereignty of the country, the law on the Constitutional Assembly would have been the day before yesterday! Who are you kidding? Only myself. Putin and sovereignty! - neighing with the whole aul!

[Vladivostok1969]

Holy naivety!

This child may be naive, or a young girl in love. Here the clinic is PARANOJA.

[Radical]

Given the above, it is possible to draw some intermediate result. We expect from our ruling class that in principle it is not capable of giving.

Not capable or unwilling to give? If not capable - let him go! If he doesn’t want, let him leave all the more!

[Petr1968]

Quote: Radikal

Not capable or unwilling to give? If not capable - let him go! If he doesn’t want, let him leave all the more!

And he doesn’t want to leave, let him leave !! I understand you correctly!)))))))

[Radical]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

Every nation has the government it deserves?

I don’t think ... rather, the government is unlucky with the people

Do you sympathize with the government?

[Strezhevchanin]

sometimes it seems so.

[cedar]

Quote: Radikal

Given the above, it is possible to draw some intermediate result. We expect from our ruling class that in principle it is not capable of giving.

Not capable or unwilling to give? If not capable - let him go! If he doesn’t want, let him leave all the more!

Do we have OUR ruling class? You dear stuck in the USSR, was there. Here you will look for it with a lantern in the afternoon, you will not find it. The newly-minted oligarchy of Russia registers everything acquired in the west, stores accounts and other joys of life there, and therefore is completely controlled by the western system, because it was originally built into it. This Western system should not give anything, it was created only to take, grab and rob, because, like a colonial ...
Here you are a friend, comrade and brother, only the Army and Navy and their Commander-in-Chief Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin.
Who is trying to save the country and people from this green ... swamp. But the people are not his assistant yet.
25% of the people of Russia are ready to support Putin in his reforms, and at least 51% are necessary.
See the root. Today, not the presidential election is coming, but the choice whether or not Russia and its people should be.

[free]

Quote: cedar

Quote: Radikal

Given the above, it is possible to draw some intermediate result. We expect from our ruling class that in principle it is not capable of giving.

Not capable or unwilling to give? If not capable - let him go! If he doesn’t want, let him leave all the more!

Do we have OUR ruling class? You dear stuck in the USSR, was there. Here you will look for it with a lantern in the afternoon, you will not find it. The newly-minted oligarchy of Russia registers everything acquired in the west, stores accounts and other joys of life there, and therefore is completely controlled by the western system, because it was originally built into it. This Western system should not give anything, it was created only to take, grab and rob, because, like a colonial ...
Here you are a friend, comrade and brother, only the Army and Navy and their Commander-in-Chief Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin.
Who is trying to save the country and people from this green ... swamp. But the people are not his assistant yet.
25% of the people of Russia are ready to support Putin in his reforms, and at least 51% are necessary.
See the root. Today, not the presidential election is coming, but the choice whether or not Russia and its people should be.

Write more often, I laugh when I read your comments. Nothing that Putin’s support has been falling lately, why would it be? Do you say the managing class doesn’t, who steers the country then? Putin, why is it so bad then? Ah boyars are angry and lazy! So why are they still not replaced?
"I am tormented by vague doubts !? At the shpak the tape recorder at the ambassador’s medallion"

[Antianglosax]

Quote: cedar

Who is trying to save the country and people from this green ... swamp. But the people are not his assistant yet.
25% of the people of Russia are ready to support Putin in his reforms, and at least 51% are necessary.
See the root. Today, not the presidential election is coming, but the choice whether or not Russia and its people should be.

Now I’ll cry from such a subvert. In Putin's last three years, the support of the people was at the level of 80-90%! 85% on average, Carl! Isn’t that enough? Yes, and now not frail. For some reason, only he is embarrassed to take advantage of this support. But in essence, and does not plan, because it is crystal clear that he does not care about the people, as well as all his Kremlin leaders.

[Vladivostok1969]

Quote: cedar

Putin.
Who is trying to save the country and the people from this green

Only hell isn’t working, and he is trying and trying.

[Mavrikiy]

Yes, just recently, he explicitly called on Russians to vote for United Russia.

It so happened that I did not visit the VO website for several months.

Will we separate flies from cutlets or are they habitual to swallow?

in order not to lose his overworked capital, it became necessary to create his own state, headed by a strong leader.

1. The elite and now keeps money over the hill, and lives over the hill, and the children over the hill and spits on the "strong leader" and "own state" on ... figs do not need, trouble and hemorrhoids.
2. The elite sits at the table on an equal footing only in order to "do the job", and if they do not recognize and do not plant, then "their own state" that is not included in the system will not help. As we sat at 1/6, and we sit at 1/7. What is yours? Wipe your eyes.

Personally, it seems to me that there are no enemies of our country in the ruling class, and if there is, then very little. Do not shoot the pianist - he plays as he can. Dot.

All the same, the pig found a friend.

Gregory is honest, but. Many people are honest because they are fools. ...

I suspect that Stepasha is positioning herself as a smart girl with a red diploma, but questions arise about his honesty and decency. Liberast?

After all, Stalin also “flirted” with the Third Reich,

Scoundrel, filter the bazaar!

Grudinin P.N. I have been following his activities on the Internet for a long time, and for me it was a pleasant surprise

.
Orgasm is nice. Now it’s time for you, Stepasha, to change your underwear.

[Patriot7]

I will not argue with you. If you are interested in knowing why, read M. Twain ("Never argue with idiots. You will sink to their level where they will crush you with their experience." ―Mark Twain)

[Mavrikiy]

Well, I will not risk competing with you, I will lose. Drink Narzan. Soothes internal secretions. You look and thoughts will appear, not an orgasm.

[tamara]

Mauritius!
You are a very suitable candidate for the program "Dom-2", there the participants of this program are also not shy in expressions, which indicates their very "high" culture and morality. Watching and listening is disgusting, so self-respecting people do not watch.

[Mavrikiy]

TAMAROCHKA!
What are they drinking today from Grudinin, 200 grams of cranberries or a bucket of STRAWBERRY? REQUEST, you have the right to do so! (and filter the bazaar). I'll throw everything all over and go to Ksyusha? Are you against Putin? So Ksyusha ordered a stall for you.

[tamara]

MAVRIKIY!
Shame on you? You do not know how to express your thoughts without rudeness, it’s better to be silent. Then you can not try, I think below your dignity to discuss with you.

[IStreebok]

"For gas, boys ..."
(C)
but in general, like adults, they can read ... but they change Putin to sternum and ... believe in it.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: IStreebok

"For gas, boys ..."
(C)
but in general, like adults, they can read ... but they change Putin to sternum and ... believe in it.

Yes, that's not the trouble. Tomorrow they are ready to go to the barricades for him. And what kind of mom did them? Looks like dad gave it to everyone.

[Yuri Alexeev]

Why did everyone come to pour mud on Grudinin !!! A man offers a real life program and methods for putting it into practice! Let's give him a chance, maybe it will improve in the country! Movie actors ruled America (as long as 2 terms, lawyers 2 terms) and nothing flourishes. The president is formed by a team! I hope these will be smart and determined people.

[ccsr]

Posted by: Stepan

I have no real hope that Putin will have the strength and time as a result of the foregoing.

And I have confidence that now in our political field there is not a single candidate capable of replacing Putin. That's why I like it or not, but it's impossible to choose someone else now - so leave all your torments of conscience until better times, and go with a clear conscience to vote for someone with whom we will definitely not be worse. The last time I did not vote for Putin, but now I see no reason to vote against him.

[Forever so]

That's for sure, no one can fly like that on cranes and dive for pikes. Only after all, the economy is a message, trust not wise men. And besides shaking the muds, these 17 years it did not do anything. oh yes, people were reconciled with thieves and saved the property of the liquid American bankers from the civil war.

[Forever so]

But a good article, I agree with you Stepan, there are some differences in views on the current government, but the vectors are the same.

[Lev Bronsch]

Dear Stepan, or is this a made-up name? Do you have a surname? Well then)
Why so lick a strawberry thief ?? Similar articles, well, except from regular gunboats in Ukraine you can see. And even there many are ashamed of this, huh ... It’s clear with you, but why does VO place this? Or paid so much that you can’t refuse? Alas...
By the way, evaluate the author’s logic - yes, Klubnichkin is lying through a word, but let's choose him, he’ll suddenly stop lying, enchantingly !!
All of this is sad when a lousy under-oligarch is advertised as a "savior of the fatherland." And Ksyushad will bring you a sack of money, also write how wow she is !?

[Vladivostok1969]

But can you confirm that the author is lying? No? Well then, you yourself are lying!

[sib.ataman]

Very often the thought arises that we are completely unknown to the rules of the game. And the matter is not in kings and boyars. Nobody got into a situation when they stuck in some team without asking for a desire? Yes, and the rights to build a team, somehow not particularly endowed. Spin as you can, if possible, but no, your problems. This retinue dances the king, and not he invents the Marlezon ballet.
It is easy for us mortals to judge the gods, if we have never even been to the heights of Olympus! And there, after all, on the rocks, it happens, they are chained, and various feathered liver eats up the whole!

[andrej-shironov]

Quote: Mestny

Well, he already came, 17 years ago. Before that, he had some experience working in the highest echelons of power. And over the years, I have gained experience in managing the country.
The result, as I understand it, you absolutely do not like
Do you suggest the next one who has no experience to give another 17 years for experiments?
Personally, I will not live to see their end.

The result, to be honest, so-so, for so many years and such a price for oil, much more could have been achieved. By the way, you turned off comments in vain, it does not paint you as an opponent, apparently you feel that you are wrong. And you need to change, because from long sitting in one place there are pressure sores, including brain sores.

[free]

Quote: andrej-shironov

Quote: Mestny

Well, he already came, 17 years ago. Before that, he had some experience working in the highest echelons of power. And over the years, I have gained experience in managing the country.
The result, as I understand it, you absolutely do not like
Do you suggest the next one who has no experience to give another 17 years for experiments?
Personally, I will not live to see their end.

The result, to be honest, so-so, for so many years and such a price for oil, much more could have been achieved. By the way, you turned off comments in vain, it does not paint you as an opponent, apparently you feel that you are wrong. And you need to change, because from long sitting in one place there are pressure sores, including brain sores.

As for pressure sores to a point, but disconnect from the fact that there is nothing to say.

[free]

[b] Mestny [/
Do you like it? And the fact that you forbid me to answer you does not say about your competence and persuasiveness, not once.

[Radical]

Quote: cedar

Quote: Radikal

Given the above, it is possible to draw some intermediate result. We expect from our ruling class that in principle it is not capable of giving.

Not capable or unwilling to give? If not capable - let him go! If he doesn’t want, let him leave all the more!

Do we have OUR ruling class? You dear stuck in the USSR, was there. Here you will look for it with a lantern in the afternoon, you will not find it. The newly-minted oligarchy of Russia registers everything acquired in the west, stores accounts and other joys of life there, and therefore is completely controlled by the western system, because it was originally built into it. This Western system should not give anything, it was created only to take, grab and rob, because, like a colonial ...
Here you are a friend, comrade and brother, only the Army and Navy and their Commander-in-Chief Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin.
Who is trying to save the country and people from this green ... swamp. But the people are not his assistant yet.
25% of the people of Russia are ready to support Putin in his reforms, and at least 51% are necessary.
See the root. Today, not the presidential election is coming, but the choice whether or not Russia and its people should be.

I don’t remember who, but someone of the same adepts already answered: a flag (Olympic) in their hands, a drum on their neck, a locomotive - to meet !!! Continue to live in your delusions and ... end with this!

[ccsr]

Quote: andrej-shironov

Result honestly so-so

It could have been even worse if the drunk hadn’t nominated him, but to someone from his gang, like Nemtsov or Chubais. So rejoice that he is not at all ashamed of the whole world - he does not piss under the wheels of an airplane and does not conduct orchestras ....

[Vladivostok1969]

Yes, the people will rejoice at the fact that the president is not ashamed, since there is nothing more to rejoice about. And maybe even that it did not get worse than it was. Do you hear yourself?

[Patriot7]

[quote = Monster_Fat] Monster_Fat [/ quote]
Lord, what a mess in the head of the author ... Remember how homo "Serdyuchka" sang? "Everything will be fine! Everything will be fine - I know that!" Ugh. [/ Quote]
Dear Monster!
The main thing is that you do not have cereal in your head. It seems to me that you do not quite understand the meaning of the proverb "What pop is like the parish." Read the article again if you consider it possible. As for - it will be good - you do not agree?

[ccsr]

Quote: Vladivostok1969

Or maybe it’s not worse than it was. Do you hear yourself?

I don’t listen to myself, but look at life without pink glasses. How could it be worse, I do not need to explain - in the nineties I was already a mature person, and therefore, as it happens in life with its "improvement" I know firsthand.

[Days]

creating the appearance of the existence of this cunning plan in its complete absence

We’ll come up with it, we’ll scold ourselves. After all, what's the difference, what happens if the goal is to scold the current government. The irony: of course, there is no plan, on the throne - the reincarnation of Nicholas II, who before the great massacre did not think about mobilizing the economy.

there was no one left to intercede for me.

Why keg-keg? Then it is necessary to the utmost: "The current government wants to cut everyone out, so let us arrange another revolution, there were few revolutions and blood in Russia!"

In general, the article is harmful.

[tamara]

Quote: Dagen

creating the appearance of the existence of this cunning plan in its complete absence

We’ll come up with it, we’ll scold ourselves. After all, what's the difference, what happens if the goal is to scold the current government. The irony: of course, there is no plan, on the throne - the reincarnation of Nicholas II, who before the great massacre did not think about mobilizing the economy.

there was no one left to intercede for me.

Why keg-keg? Then it is necessary to the utmost: "The current government wants to cut everyone out, so let us arrange another revolution, there were few revolutions and blood in Russia!"

In general, the article is harmful.

Why think it’s easier to take a knee-elbow position.