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Talk with young people about modern Russia

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The election campaign in Russia has begun. Applicants for the post of new president of the country are identified. Central Executive Committee prints newsletters. Candidates dispersed around the country in search of new supporters. Journalists began to dig news for or against Activated and various fake comets. Nothing new. Quite expected events.




In principle, writing on topics that are heard today, but which is not confirmed, is advantageous today. The consumer today can find any "information" confirming his point of view. Even the most idiotic.

And all this is wrapped in beautiful wrapping and objectivity of opinion. But the most disgusting, no one even wants to understand this colossus of various opinions, fakes, truthful information. Why, if tomorrow will be another avalanche?

It so happened that I had to spend some time in the company of young people. Those who today perceive themselves as the future of Russia. Youth, 30 plus or minus 5.

After the day's "sports feats" our company gathered in a large hall. Someone danced, someone shared his impressions with friends on the Internet. But most just talked. About life, about prospects, about the upcoming elections, about the feat of Major Filipov. Impressions are quite curious.

The first thing that shocked me was the attitude of a certain part of the interlocutors to the death of Roman Filipov. Why did a Russian guy die in Syria? Why are our boys and girls there at all? The hero can only be the one who defends his own country ...

And this at a time when the media competed in covering the feat of the Russian pilot. When in most cities of Russia people carried flowers to monuments, to the Ministry of Defense, to the school where the hero was studying. Strange, yes?

It seems to me that we, as a nation, "stepped on the old rake." Any war, if it becomes protracted, becomes painful for the population. Therefore, the losses are perceived stronger, more emotional. There is a feeling of annoyance.

Thanks to the rest of the guys. Sieged liberal truth-seekers. Settled hard enough. Only now I had to answer their questions. As a representative of the older generation. And the questions were interesting.

We spent a lot of time thinking about our education system. Understand the nuances, the pros and cons, in the overall structure of education in the country. It was all right. Exactly. Only, as it turned out, this is not all.

I, as a representative of the Soviet Union ... I, who did not defend this very Union, answered modern Russia ... These are the youngest businessmen, students, employees. And the questions were really serious.

Do you know what I understood most of all during this interrogation conversation? The tragedy of our time lies in the fact that those real Soviet, our grandmothers and grandfathers have already left, and we failed to replace them. We are busy making money, basic survival, did not become a source of answers to the questions of our children.

The state, represented by educational institutions and other children's organizations, does not consider education at all as a system of education. As it was in our time. Our children grew up in a vacuum. They are smart, but they have no core.

That is why we have so many young people who we do not understand today. The vacuum is quickly filled. And it is not always filled with what we would like. Hence the questions about Filipov. Questions about government and elections. And this is a tragedy for the country.

On the other hand, my interlocutors are quite successful young people. Either have already realized their own dreams, or going in this direction. This is not a lost generation. Not parasites or completely apolitical people.

Later, after our conversation, I thought about my own fault in the created situation. About the fault of our generation. And, it seems, found the answer. Or blame. I do not claim that this is the answer to all questions. It is rather the answer to your own question.

The fact is that we, the global ones, simply do not know what kind of person we want to see in our children and grandchildren. We are talking about patriotism, honesty, about some other qualities. And specifically not talking about anything. We do not have clear criteria for the modern Russian.

We demand from youth what is important to us today. Yesterday it was important to us more. And they demanded it differently. Tomorrow will be the third ... So who do we have to "sculpt"? Who should educate kindergartens, schools, colleges and universities? Where is the ideal to strive for?

I admit, I deliberately went to the provocation. I asked a direct question. If tomorrow the war and you bring the agenda, go to war? Of a dozen young people wondered alone. The rest just said yes. Upbringing? I do not know, rather an innate sense of shame. I can not be worse than others. I should. Nice damn it.

But another topic about the election, made me think. Do not believe young people in the coming changes. Everything will be as usual. Officials and those close to them will live. The rest survive. And the elections themselves are just a formality. Nobody needed, and even stupid. Waste of money.

Given the radicalism of youth, refer to this opinion is necessary with some skepticism. They understand the importance of elections. Just can not yet properly formulate their own requests. I will try to formulate me.

So, Russia today lives the way Putin wants. More precisely, as President Putin will say. The rest, even at the highest level, are nothing more than "martinet" who beautifully "click heels" and say "is." Hence the prospects. The old president is the old country's course.

But more interesting. It is necessary to shift the emphasis of the struggle for a better life into places. Stop tolerating the local princes. Moscow is far away and can’t know all the local problems. The Kremlin knows only what the local authorities report.

Ways to change the local elites can be any. From elections to prosecution or violent overthrow. Simply put, young people talk about revolution. Only locally.

The direct question about the president also has an answer. He knows if the current situation, will make a revolution from above, and we are at the bottom. Here is a metamorphosis. Some third version of the revolution emerges. Or two parallel revolutions? I have not decided yet.

One thing is clear - the youth is waiting for a radical change. Young people are ready to start them.

Is it good or bad? The example of the former brothers showed that there is nothing good in such radicalism. The people, especially the people "without a rod," are able to go after the most vile leaders with the most inhuman ideas. Again "we will destroy the whole world of violence"? We need it?

What remains to us? To live as we have lived so far is impossible. Delay the reforms too. Young tigers have grown up and are ready for battle. Not later, but now. So, after the election, you need to change something.

Change in the system of government. Change attitudes towards people. Change your attitude to business. It's time to turn around to face people. Otherwise, these same people can hit hard on the place where the power is turned to them now.

Either we are reforming the country peacefully, without blood and excesses, or the country is reforming itself. But what? Will we repeat the way of the Russian Empire a hundred years ago? Or the way of Ukraine? We must think and draw conclusions. Correct conclusions!
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  1. Baloo
    Baloo 13 February 2018 15: 24
    +19
    All is correct. I also met such people. A couple of years ago he hired a carrier to build construction materials. He served in the Northern Fleet and does not hesitate to argue about rushka and about the dream of dumping in Norway, and if NATO attacks, it will give up. If I were two times younger, I probably would not have restrained. There are such earplugs ...
    1. Dzmicer
      Dzmicer 13 February 2018 15: 40
      +56
      Die for the yacht Melnichenko! We will not regret our bellies for the yachts of Abramovich and Usmanov!
      1. Chertt
        Chertt 13 February 2018 15: 44
        +26
        Quote: Dzmicer
        Die for the yacht Melnichenko!

        To whom is close.
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 13 February 2018 16: 11
          +48
          . If tomorrow is a war and they bring you a summons, will you go to war? Out of a dozen young people, one thought. The rest just said yes.

          This one was simply not politically correct. What do you want to be answered by the public? In fact, the poorest will go to war mainly. The richest have already prepared warm places abroad, offshore accounts, and dual citizenship! Now is the 21st century - you got on a plane and you are already in the other hemisphere!
          Take any country. Syria, Ukraine, Donbass ... Half of the civilian population immediately flows abroad. Do you think it will be different in Russia?
          1. You Vlad
            You Vlad 13 February 2018 16: 32
            +20
            Quote: Stas157
            This one was simply not politically correct. What do you want to be answered by the public? In fact, the poorest will go to war mainly.

            Everyone thinks to the best of his depravity, you Stas is no exception!
            Quote: Stas157
            Take any country. Syria, Ukraine, Donbass ... Half of the civilian population immediately flows abroad.

            These любые as you said, countries are all sick of the same civil war!
            Quote: Stas157
            . If tomorrow is a war and they bring you a summons, will you go to war? Out of a dozen young people, one thought. The rest just said yes.

            Do you think it will be different in Russia?

            I think yes, it will be different, we will not have a civil war! Although many of all forces are trying (working) on ​​this.
            1. Adequate
              Adequate 13 February 2018 17: 14
              +24
              Well said. The main thing is to prevent a civil war or Maidan. I disagree with the author of the article as follows: Young people are waiting for change. The fact is that changes are coming. It's just a phased change, and not some kind of jerks or breakthroughs. I will give an example from the army theme (although there are similar examples in any sphere of life in modern Russia), the State Defense Fund up to 2025 has allocated significant funds for the modernization of existing weapons (for example, upgrading the T-72 to the T-72B3 level). I admit honestly, I'm not an arms specialist. I have been working in the system of public administration for a long time. I can only say one thing: there is a modernization of the system of state administration, but slower than we would like, but in stages, but inevitably! I understand perfectly well that this does not explain the youth, and indeed for many of you. Just understand EVERYTHING we will either do each in our place as adequately and efficiently as possible - or die!
              1. vladimirZ
                vladimirZ 13 February 2018 18: 02
                +30
                But another topic, about the elections, made me think. Young people do not believe in future changes. Everything will be as always. Officials and those close to them will live. The rest to survive. ...
                But further interesting. It is necessary to shift the emphasis of the struggle for a better life to places. Enough to endure the local princes. ..
                Ways to change the local elites can be any. From elections to prosecution or violent overthrow. Simply put, young people talk about revolution. Only locally.
                There is an answer to the direct question about the president. If he understands the current situation, he will make a revolution from above, and we from below. ...
                Only one thing is clear - young people are waiting for radical changes. Young people are ready to start them. - from article

                Youth is part of modern society. Since they are waiting for change, the rest, too. Well, how can 20, 3 million people living below the subsistence level who are essentially poorer than the poor, and 43 million pensioners surviving on an average pension of 12,6 thousand rubles cannot wait for a better life? These are official numbers. And working with a real salary of 10-15-20 tons. Rub. happy with your life? Add to them here this youth unsatisfied with their position.
                Society as a whole is waiting for change, waiting for a revolution from above or from below, no difference. Does the supreme power understand this, V. Putin himself?
                Probably, he understands that he once came forward for election as a self-nominated candidate without his United Russia party, and gave the go-ahead for the fight against individual local “princes”.
                But will this society satisfy?
                Most likely, since this does not address more fundamental issues - social guarantees of the state to people: the right works for a decent salary; freedom and inviolability of small and medium-sized enterprises, which has been spoken about for more than 20 years, but there is no sense free education and health; decent social security in old age; affordable housing for youth, etc.
                This will be decided by V. Putin "revolution from above." No, he will not decide, the capitalist system he created and nurtured will not allow him to do this. Yes, and he himself is flesh from the flesh of this system.
                And since the social issues of society and the people are insoluble, then the social tension, the demand for change, will increase.
                The upcoming elections are a good chance to solve social problems if the people vote for the candidate of the left forces, the Communist Party - Pavel Grudinin, who uphold the social development program of Russia. If this does not happen, the socio-political passions will run high, and it will be scary to imagine what it will result in.
                1. andj61
                  andj61 14 February 2018 10: 53
                  +2
                  Quote: vladimirZ
                  The upcoming elections are a good chance to solve social problems if the people vote for the candidate of the left forces, the Communist Party - Pavel Grudinin, who uphold the social development program of Russia. If this does not happen, the socio-political passions will run high, and it will be scary to imagine what it will result in.

                  Do you think that Grudinin is something radically different from other candidates?
                  An ordinary non-poor business executive, a former deputy of the Moscow regional Duma from United Russia, nominated by the actual Social Democratic party, perfectly integrated into the existing system. After all, even in your words, Grudinin will not be able to do this, because he, like Putin,
                  Quote: vladimirZ
                  he himself is flesh from the flesh of this system.

                  If we are to be consistent, then we must call for Maxim Suraikin to vote - he is precisely for socialist ideas and their implementation comes out! bully hi
                  1. vladimirZ
                    vladimirZ 14 February 2018 11: 49
                    +7
                    An ordinary non-poor business executive, a former deputy of the Moscow regional Duma from United Russia, nominated by the actual Social Democratic party, perfectly integrated into the existing system. ...
                    To be consistent, then Maxim Suraikin should be encouraged to vote - he’s definitely for socialist ideas and ... - andj61

                    Maxim Suraykin from the party of the spoiler, created in order to erode the supporters of the communist ideology, does not represent anything from itself, appears only during the election period to confuse voters. This party does not have any mass primary organizations and does not represent anyone.
                    As for Pavel Grudinin, a candidate from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation and the Left Front, who has undergone a serious and long selection among more than a dozen candidates of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation and the Union of NPS, and who has proved his commitment to socialist transformation in society with his practical work, he, despite his Edrosov past and not poor condition, best of all other candidates suits the President of Russia, so that they do not write about him and what kind of dirt they do not pour out.
                    In essence, in the upcoming elections there will be a struggle between two candidates, the representative of the oligarchy V. Putin, who wants to leave things as they are, and the representative of the left forces, people, P. Grudinin, who want to solve the socio-economic contradictions that have accumulated in the oligarchic corruption of Russia.
                    Putin’s choice will lead to a further exacerbation of these socio-economic contradictions, with the unpredictable future dangerous for Russia.
                    The choice of Grudinin to solve the existing contradictions in society and the state will ensure the further development of Russia and an improvement in the living conditions of the people.
                    1. marline
                      marline 14 February 2018 17: 34
                      +5
                      Quote: vladimirZ
                      Putin’s choice will lead to a further exacerbation of these socio-economic contradictions, with the unpredictable future dangerous for Russia.
                      The choice of Grudinin to solve the existing contradictions in society and the state will ensure the further development of Russia and an improvement in the living conditions of the people.

                      Did Vanga prophesy this for you? Do not believe - "Fortunetellers always lie!"
                      1. Vladimir 5
                        Vladimir 5 17 February 2018 16: 24
                        -1
                        Here is not a fortuneteller, but facts. In the entire list of subordinate candidates (Zhirinovsky, dog, etc.), only P. Grudinin was selected in real competition from 5 candidates from patriotic forces. For P. Grudinin, the current party and patriotic organizations. You don’t go to the grandmother either, - P. Grudinin is the only candidate, really has the opportunity to win the election and remove the liberal thieves from the government ...
                2. Natalia777
                  Natalia777 14 February 2018 11: 30
                  +9
                  Stop hanging noodles about Pavel Grudinin. First, read the open information that is exposed in the CEC of the Russian Federation on the property of candidates. Vladimir Putin's income consists of his salary and is very modest in comparison with Grudinin or the same Sobchak. And Putin’s movable and immovable property is very modest and is located on the territory of the Russian Federation, unlike Grudinin. And why are you lying so brazenly when you say that Vladimir Putin built capitalism in the Russian Federation? Everyone knows that wild capitalism was built by Yeltsin B.N. in 1991. Putin received from Yeltsin a collapsing Russia with the war in Chechnya, seven-man power in power and rampant banditry. It was VV Putin who gradually brought Russia out of the dive state and is now gradually restructuring the system to a socially-oriented one. You are an enemy or.
                  1. vladimirZ
                    vladimirZ 14 February 2018 12: 31
                    +10
                    Vladimir Putin's income consists of his salary and is very modest in comparison with Grudinin or the same Sobchak. And Putin’s movable and immovable property is very modest and is located on the territory of the Russian Federation, unlike Grudinin. And why are you lying so brazenly when you say that Vladimir Putin built capitalism in the Russian Federation? Everyone knows that ... - Natalia777

                    Dear Natalia777, you are probably not well versed in information.
                    Ask, at least on the Internet, about the number of oligarchs in Russia who grew from 10 people under Yeltsin to 100 under Putin. Think of what it is? At the same time take an interest in the name of these oligarchs, and you will find there a large number of Putin’s friends and colleagues from previous years.
                    For your development, type the name of your friend V. Putin, the “simple” cellist Roldugin, who plays in the Gergiev’s orchestra, and who suddenly becomes the owner of the 2 billionth state in offshore companies, which, incidentally, are not paid taxes. Where did he get it from?
                    And the palaces in France, in which Putin’s wife lives, and his daughter. Where did they come from Putin's former unemployed wife?
                    And the last thing in which you personally see Putin's "gradual restructuring of the system as socially oriented"?
                    Specifically, in what it manifests itself against the background of officially recognized 20,3 million people living below the subsistence minimum, essentially below the poverty line, 43 million pensioners with an average pension in 2016 of 12,6 thousand rubles, with officially recognized unemployed people whose number is about 5 million people? In an increasingly paid education for our youth? In paid healthcare, when do children get money for surgery on television? Or maybe at an increasing retirement age?
                    What do you see V. Putin's socially-oriented policy?
                    1. marline
                      marline 14 February 2018 17: 46
                      +7
                      Quote: vladimirZ
                      43 million pensioners with an average pension in 2016 of 12,6 thousand rubles, with officially recognized unemployed number of which about 5 million people? In an increasingly paid education for our youth? In paid healthcare, when do children get money for surgery on television? Or maybe at an increasing retirement age?

                      This is all, of course, insanely interesting, and anyone can criticize. After reading your post, I have questions:
                      Your own income is also 12,6 thousand rubles.?
                      Are you personally ready to enter the barricades?
                      How do you imagine a social revolution in the circumstances of external pressure?
                      In the end, why did you suddenly decide that something will change when the property is changed from private to state (from bourgeois to bureaucrats) for the exploited classes?
                      Or do you just offer to take everything away and share it in a new way?
                      What, besides Grudinin is the savior of Russia, do you want to say?
                      1. vladimirZ
                        vladimirZ 14 February 2018 18: 26
                        +4
                        Your own income is also 12,6 thousand rubles.?
                        Are you personally ready to enter the barricades?
                        How do you imagine a social revolution in the circumstances of external pressure?
                        In the end, why did you suddenly decide that something will change when the property is changed from private to state (from bourgeois to bureaucrats) for the exploited classes?
                        Or do you just offer to take everything away and share it in a new way? - merlin

                        My pension is even less, only 12 tr.
                        In my years, in the second half of the seventy, I am ready to the best of my ability and participate in discussions on sites, openly and directly exposing the oligarchic power for its anti-people’s policies, the benefit of life experience and knowledge allows people to explain the essence of the ongoing political events. For myself, I think that this is a barricade for me, because many are afraid to openly criticize the authorities on the Internet.
                        I’ll go to real barricades if I need to defend people's power.
                        In the current circumstances of external pressure, I consider a social revolution possible, since this will give Russia liberation from its now not sovereign status of a raw-material colony of the West. The current ruling "elite" is essentially a collaborative, working for the West. They have one goal, to enter Russia into the world order of the West as a raw materials appendage. The current contradictions between the USA / West and Russia include only the competitive struggle between TNCs and the national bourgeoisie for the redistribution of the Russian raw materials market, upholding their share in the robbery of its wealth.
                        Such a social revolution can happen peacefully, including through elections. Examples such in history were - Chile, Venezuela.
                        Why did you decide that something will change when the owner changes from private to state (bourgeois to bureaucrats)? And what do you forget about the example of the USSR, where everything was state? Moreover, the country has reached an unprecedented pace of development in history - literally in 10 years, 1930 to 1940, it has turned from a backward agrarian into a world industrial power that has withstood the military blow of the whole of Europe, led by fascist Germany, where the social rights of citizens were at a very high level.
                        And who says that everything will be state? No, this will not happen, there will be a mixed public-private economy, with the main share of the state in the leading branches of production.
                        And no one offers to "take and share." For example, now the Communist Party has introduced a bill to the State Duma of the Russian Federation where the procedure for compensatory nationalization of individual campaigns is clearly spelled out.
                        Under current conditions, only Pavel Grudinin can pursue such a policy in the interests of the people as President of Russia. Putin will not pursue a policy of equal social partnership for the sake of the whole people.
                  2. naidas
                    naidas 16 February 2018 16: 48
                    +2
                    [quote = Natalia777] VV Putin's income consists of his salary and is very modest, and why are you lying so impudently when you say that VV Putin built capitalism in the Russian Federation?
                    Of course, Putin built his wealth, not capitalism: during the Twentieth Trust, the laundered amount amounted to tens of millions of dollars. In 1999, criminal case No. 144128 was instituted on this fact (after an audit by the KRU). It went down in history as the “Putin Case”. Since his “shadow” (then Putin was the deputy of Sobchak) was scanned for every signature, for every theft, for every budget transfer of money.
                  3. VladGashek
                    VladGashek 19 February 2018 00: 33
                    0
                    Mrs. Natalia777 would like to answer you with the biblical phrase "Blessed is he who believes." And then the continuation of “the road to hell is laid out with good wishes” 18 years of practical leadership of the RF GDP led to the current situation, the next 6 years will lead to a logical ending. Remember the results of BYZANTISM - present-day Turkey and no Byzantium.
              2. Victor N
                Victor N 13 February 2018 18: 05
                +12
                The rich, capable and willing to blame - very, very few.
                The vast majority will remain, and if it gives slack, it will die out. We are all DOOMED to fight so as not to become extinct.
                And do not get distracted by yachts, this is not about you.
              3. Sma11
                Sma11 13 February 2018 19: 01
                +11
                Quote: Adequate
                I can only say one thing: there is a modernization of the system of state administration, but slower than we would like, but in stages, but inevitably! I understand perfectly well that this does not explain the youth, and indeed for many of you. Just understand EVERYTHING we will either do each in our place as adequately and efficiently as possible - or die!

                Almost like a parable.
                For a good fee, Khoja Nasreddin took over twenty years to teach donkey literacy. The emir threatened to chop off Nasreddin’s head if the donkey doesn’t learn to read within the specified time. When asked Nasruddin how he took such a risk, he replied:
                - Nothing wrong. In twenty years, either the donkey will die, or the emir will die, or I will die!

                I am begging you. Do you yourself believe in that nonsense that you write?
                1. Adequate
                  Adequate 13 February 2018 20: 06
                  +6
                  My friend, if what I wrote does not happen, the alternative will not please you
                  1. Sma11
                    Sma11 13 February 2018 20: 26
                    +2
                    What do you mean by alternative?
                    1. Adequate
                      Adequate 13 February 2018 21: 36
                      +12
                      1. The revolution, a lot of blood, brother to brother, (classic 1917),
                      2. Loss of territories: Crimea, Kuril Islands, Siberia, etc.
                      3. The strongest dictatorship will come to power. Stalin number 2
                      4. The impoverishment of the people in the region. Remember the hunger.
                      5. Forget freedom of speech.
                      6. Restoring the country to at least the 90s will take decades.
                      7. All technologies will be poher.
                      8. happy end will not we forever lag behind developed countries. After the USSR, in many ways we cannot catch up.
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                      2. Sma11
                        Sma11 13 February 2018 22: 11
                        +14
                        1. Passionaries are not enough. And local kings will tear the territory.
                        2.Loss of territory? Have we not lost them yet? The Chinese are exploring the Far East. Siberia - Indians. South - Dagi
                        3. It’s time for the new Stalin ..
                        4. More than 70% below the poverty line. The outback will survive, and megacities (c'est la vie)
                        5. Do we have freedom of speech? Somehow I did not notice recently.
                        6. Forget about this myth. Without a change of course, this will be from the realm of fiction.
                        7. It has long been poher. We use old developments. And with current politics, we’ll lose the rest.
                        8. Get on the Internet. We are now at the level of African countries.
                        So what did Putin do for Russia in 18 years in power?
                2. Natalia777
                  Natalia777 14 February 2018 11: 34
                  +4
                  And you yourself are working for someone if you don’t see positive changes compared to the dashing 90?
                  1. Sma11
                    Sma11 14 February 2018 21: 03
                    +5
                    Quote: Natalia777
                    And you yourself are working for someone if you don’t see positive changes compared to the dashing 90?

                    By God I do not see. There was a merger of power with crime. Bandits used to “roof” - now they are “pro-security” bodies. Before, the brothers collected “tribute” - now officials.
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              5. SPACE
                SPACE 13 February 2018 20: 55
                +10
                Quote: Adequate
                I can only say one thing: there is a modernization of the system of state administration, but slower than we would like, but in stages, but inevitably!

                Yes, everything is going fine and no need is faster, the main thing is that it is inevitable.
                Quote: Adequate
                Youth is waiting for change

                Some are waiting, others are not wasting time in vain, as they say from each according to his ability, to each according to his work.
                Quote: Adequate
                I understand perfectly well that this does not explain the youth, and indeed for many of you.

                Young people are stupid and 60 years old, but to teach stupid anyway someone will have to. And then he will press some as soon as the causal relationship bounces off.
                1. Natalia777
                  Natalia777 14 February 2018 11: 35
                  +2
                  Correctly! +1000!
              6. Icarus
                Icarus 13 February 2018 23: 26
                +7
                I can only say one thing: there is a modernization of the system of state administration, but slower than we would like, but in stages, but inevitably!
                Could you explain? Did they explain to you (civil servants), the country the goals, stages, methods of this modernization (if it really goes)? It is clear that any modernization of government is an improvement in governance and manageability, but besides that? Most importantly: is the mechanism for selecting and appointing candidates for senior positions really being modernized in terms of business qualities? Are there any examples?
                1. Natalia777
                  Natalia777 14 February 2018 11: 37
                  +3
                  So how are you where instead of the mind the Bologna system is inserted, it is useless to explain something. Even obvious things such as South Ossetia, Crimea, the cessation of the war in Chechnya, the cessation of the total banditry of the dashing 90's - do not say anything.
                  1. Sma11
                    Sma11 14 February 2018 21: 47
                    +6
                    Quote: Natalia777
                    So how are you where instead of the mind the Bologna system is inserted, it is useless to explain something. Even obvious things such as South Ossetia, Crimea, the cessation of the war in Chechnya, the cessation of the total banditry of the dashing 90's - do not say anything.

                    I waited a long time for such an answer. Oh, how long has it been waiting.
                    South Ossetia. The government would have lost face if our peacekeepers had been "cut out". After what time did the troops enter? In a day? Yes, do not count a little. Ours dispersed so that almost all of Georgia was not “forced” to peace. Under Gori, we barely stopped.
                    Crimea. Here, too, a "surprise" came out. They didn’t really want to, but the people said "late, we have already decided for you." In addition, there is no need to pay for the base. Yes, and a very convenient position on the peninsula. Controlling the Black Sea is not a pound of raisins.
                    Chechnya Paid off. Given to the teip Kadyrov. To the father and son of the “heroes” and the republic for “feeding” for “loyalty” + “buns” in the form of subsidies and non-interference.
                    Banditry. Half transplanted. Half shot. Business squeezed out. Spheres distributed. Taxed. The one who has more rights is right.
              7. Sofa General
                Sofa General 14 February 2018 01: 25
                +9
                Loved the comment. Let me lay out:
                "Recently, I often regret that I didn’t have a chance to be born in the 1920s, in order to personally become a contemporary of those great people who created a people's republic by blood and then.
                Rise to the attack: “For Homeland”, and then either perish, clearly knowing why, or survive, and after the victory take off the country, live modestly, but humanly, sincerely be friends, believe in a bright future and spare nothing for it build ....
                But it did not happen ...
                Probably the worst thing for my generation was to live on a break, at the very edge of the transition from Light to Darkness, half life there and half life here.
                Will there be enough for us that inner charge of the Great Victories that nourished Us in order to withstand the current obscurantism and Darkness that has seized our Motherland?
                Is there enough common sense to figure out what is “white” and what is “black”?
                After all, it is Our generation that is the extreme that forced the USSR, We are the last “guardians” of its ideals, Our last line, there is nowhere to go “behind Moscow”, and before Us the enemy is cunning, treacherous, deceitful, greedy and merciless and with it only unbridled Darkness.
                And if we ourselves do not give ourselves order No. 227, then there will be nobody else to give it!
                Either we are rebuilding the Soviet country, having pushed off from the last frontier, or a shameful slow extinction.
                And here already everyone decides for himself. "(C)
                1. Natalia777
                  Natalia777 14 February 2018 11: 40
                  +4
                  You can’t approach so one-sidedly: either the USSR or Gloom. You're not right.
                2. Adequate
                  Adequate 14 February 2018 18: 01
                  +4
                  Who do you represent yourself in 1920? Red Army in the fields of civil war? And then to the factory or farm? I would like to see how you work hard on communism knowing that this will not happen and the USSR will fall apart :) I know you would be Stakhanov !!! It is necessary to give the country coal :) Five-year-old in four years :)) There is no better way to hang on the collective farm for workdays, and in the remaining time on a personal plot so as not to die of hunger. Maybe you would like to be a Gulag prisoner and dig a white channel. Sorry I HAVE NO TIME MACHINE. I would send you in 1920 :))
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                    1. Adequate
                      Adequate 14 February 2018 20: 23
                      +3
                      The slave is you. The slave of the regime which is no longer :) In your words, logic 0%, philosophy 100%. You were in the prime of years when the USSR was crumbling. When Gorbachev put the country under the Americans. Why didn’t you resent? In 1920 he gathered ... There is nothing for you to make a little crook there.
              8. Natalia777
                Natalia777 14 February 2018 11: 19
                0
                I agree with you. + 1000!
              9. Alexey Polyansky
                Alexey Polyansky 15 February 2018 09: 25
                +1
                Putin created a regime much worse than the fascist one. Fascists in the name of their people destroyed other nations. Putin with his lads, in the name of his pockets, destroys the citizens of Russia. Putin criminals are judged in Russia in judicial robes, law enforcement supervision and investigation are being conducted by Putin criminals in the prosecutor’s office of the Russian Federation. It makes no sense to fight for those who robbed us. Those who robbed us and continue to rob us and their children will live in other countries and urge the robbed people to protect their treachery, which they stole from the peoples of Russia.
                1. Adequate
                  Adequate 15 February 2018 09: 31
                  +2
                  Are there any facts?
            2. Karabin
              Karabin 13 February 2018 17: 29
              +15
              Quote: You Vlad
              Although many of all the forces try (work) on this.

              In this work, those holding power have succeeded most. The whole royal vertical. From the head of the village to the president.
              1. You Vlad
                You Vlad 13 February 2018 17: 49
                +8
                Quote: Karabin
                In this work, those holding power have succeeded most. The whole royal vertical. From the head of the village to the president.

                You all know, yes? There were always enough ototov and in all modes.
              2. Adequate
                Adequate 13 February 2018 17: 59
                +12
                I don’t like when here are people like you starting all under one comb! Dear Karabin, you dare to assert that all who are in power are thieves. You have offended a lot of honest people right now. Karabin, it's easy to reason like this without going into details. I am sure that the main evil is from people like you, who are spraying saliva without understanding the essence of the problem. All factors, etc. I do not agree with you Karabin!
                1. Karabin
                  Karabin 13 February 2018 18: 39
                  +21
                  Quote: Adequate
                  all under one comb!

                  That's why it is vertical. If you do not get parted, you will be replaced. And do not care that someone chose you. And the election mechanism has been debugged in our proper way. Or will you argue that Edro has the support of the people in proportion to the seats in the elections at various levels?
                  Quote: Adequate
                  You dare to assert that all who are in power are thieves.

                  This you say, not me. There is not a word about this in my comment.
                  Quote: Adequate
                  You have offended a lot of honest people right now.

                  With what? The fact that any power is the first to blame for creating a revolutionary situation for a number of subjective internal reasons. No one will take cookies from outside to where internal systemic contradictions do not mature. I believe that the current system of government is self-destructive because of its economic and political nature, despite the "very many honest people" in its structure. The autocracy in the system of power also had quite a few honest and decent ones. Like the Soviets. This did not save them from collapse and civil wars of varying degrees of bloodshed.
                  1. Adequate
                    Adequate 13 February 2018 18: 53
                    +10
                    I believe that such alarmists as you are the cause of revolutionary events. Spread your infection in society. Criticizing is always easier than doing. What have you done for yourself or your family to live well? Or is Putin personally to blame for your problems or the whole vertical? Karabin I feel sorry for you, analysts in your statements 0. Want a revolutionary situation. Will be! It will no longer matter who is right, who is to blame. It will be a massacre of epic proportions. Under no circumstances will I come to terms with a violent change of power. Karabin want blood? Blood will be the sea !!!
                    1. Sma11
                      Sma11 13 February 2018 19: 38
                      +17
                      Quote: Adequate
                      I believe that such alarmists as you are the cause of revolutionary events. Spread your infection in society. Criticizing is always easier than doing. What have you done for yourself or your family to live well? Or is Putin personally to blame for your problems or the whole vertical?

                      Well, from the again hackneyed record about the KhPP (Putin's Tricky Plan). And what did Great PU do for 18 years in power for Russia?
                      1. Adequate
                        Adequate 13 February 2018 20: 11
                        +2
                        At least it's PRS-1М (53Т6М)
                    2. Karabin
                      Karabin 13 February 2018 21: 02
                      +19
                      Quote: Adequate
                      I believe that such alarmists,

                      Where did you see the panic? I do not support this power, therefore I can’t panic. Look for alarmists among supporters of this power.
                      Quote: Adequate
                      Want a revolutionary situation.

                      It does not depend on the desire or not the desire of individual individuals. It consists of the inability of the upper classes to govern in the old and the unwillingness of the lower classes to live in the old. Two components are needed. Power is on the way to creating such a situation.
                      Quote: Adequate
                      Under no circumstances will I come to terms with a violent change of power.

                      Even if Putin and his comrades flee to London?
                      Quote: Adequate
                      Blood will be the sea !!!

                      Want to shed it for Deripaska or the Rotenbergs?
                      1. Adequate
                        Adequate 13 February 2018 21: 47
                        +5
                        I certainly shed blood so that no one would impose the president on me without an election. You are so out of business, just against the government and unfounded spread your opinion on the forums. Referring to the people. Something people did not really go after the bulk. or whoever is behind the sternum. however, the elections are yet to come ... Karabin dream in your wet dreams of an ideal power that will make you happy with Gazprom shares. I like the current government. I will vote for Putin. You can work perfectly in the conditions that are. Karabin, you or the people will maidan kick on yourself. The police, the Rosguard will not cope then the fun begins. You will not like it! I promise!
                      2. SPACE
                        SPACE 13 February 2018 22: 29
                        +7
                        Quote: Karabin
                        Want to shed it for Deripaska or the Rotenbergs?

                        The French Revolution was stopped by Napoleon. Stalin stopped the October revolution, Putin stopped the 91 year, the good of the revolution has not yet been brought to anyone, but fools stubbornly continue to dig a hole for themselves fool
                      3. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 14 February 2018 08: 01
                        +2
                        Quote: Adequate
                        I certainly shed blood so that no one would impose the president on me without an election.

                        For democracy or what? Do you still believe in her? wink Remind you of Plato's words about democracy? And I, a consistent monarchist, agree with the Communists, but by no means with the Democrats.
                        P.S. Elections in 2018 will cost the state 17,69 billion rubles. Dvushka in Togliatti costs an average of 2 million rubles. You can build a whole neighborhood. And how many schools, kindergartens, hospitals. And rural doctors can not be fired. wink
                      4. Zheleznostop
                        Zheleznostop 16 February 2018 13: 34
                        0
                        Potatoes in the garden and meadow by the river,
                        He wiped a tear and clenched his fists,
                        He put a machine gun in a high attic.
                        And he wrote in the diary, no one will enter here. (with)
                2. Stas157
                  Stas157 13 February 2018 19: 36
                  +11
                  Quote: Adequate
                  You dare to assert that all who are in power are thieves. You have offended a lot of honest people right now.

                  And who is honest there, you can name? Rogozin and Shoigu is not very much, it is rather the exception.
                  1. Adequate
                    Adequate 13 February 2018 20: 13
                    +3
                    Lavrov. They didn’t share with you? No power will be shared with you! It is a fact.
                  2. Sling cutter
                    Sling cutter 13 February 2018 20: 23
                    +16
                    Quote: Stas157
                    And who is honest there, you can name? Rogozin and Shoigu is not very much, it is rather the exception.

                    comrade, and who said that they are honest? In Rogozin, the son was also born with seven spans in the forehead, and he dragged the friend’s son’s shoig into power. There are no honest ones, no.
                    1. Lexus
                      Lexus 13 February 2018 21: 56
                      +12
                      Colleague, you are right - everyone feeds with broods there. To the above, the Ivanovs, Fradkovs, Matvienko, etc. It is still unknown where Putin's sons-in-law "rule the ball." But for sure, they are not working as engineers at the plant.
                  3. Sma11
                    Sma11 13 February 2018 20: 31
                    +11
                    Rogozin, Shoigu - honest? What a news!
                3. Baloo
                  Baloo 13 February 2018 20: 26
                  +13
                  Quote: Adequate
                  I don’t like when here are people like you starting all under one comb! Dear Karabin, you dare to assert that all who are in power are thieves. You have offended a lot of honest people right now. Karabin, it's easy to reason like this without going into details. I am sure that the main evil is from people like you, who are spraying saliva without understanding the essence of the problem. All factors, etc.

                  In the Republic of Tatarstan, I saw Yavlinsky, the same one who, with Boldyrev, was pushing in the Duma a law on the division of jointly produced products in Sakhalin under the EBN. The little ones in Lodon drew real estate, and Russia 10 oil cents, the United States 90 oil cents from the Sakhalin Petrodollar. GDP is suppressed by becoming president. Now this savior has taken care of Saratov, badly with water in Saratov, or is lying. About Rostov is going through, the average salary is 22 rubles. In short, yours on the board, for the people. They asked about the Crimea, and here he swam. It turns out that the US sanctions should be lifted, you need an international conference, a roadmap on what to do with Crimea. The opinion of Crimeans is not of interest to this political rogue, as is Sobchak. That's it. All here are reproaches in fact not so much in the competence of the President, but in the competence of Medvedev, Bastrykin and Chaika.
                  As for GDP, I believe him. He has a difficult job. Who does not know that the first attempt on him was foiled when he was prime minister back in 1999.
                  In 2008, snipers were supposed to eliminate both Medvedev and GDP. This is from open sources of 6 averted assassination attempts, and how many real attempts were made, we will not know soon. West ganged up on Russia? No, they are hindered by GDP, its course towards sovereign Russia. So they hit Russia from all sides. As for everything that is written above and below, you yourself need to do something on the ground, or write in sportloto, they always promise something. In the RT in only 2 months of this year, two dozen officials of various levels for corruption sat down or were fired. This is so for information. And last year in the Russian Federation, how many governors said goodbye to offices, how many generals parted. I agree, a lot still needs to be cleaned. One Chubais is like a thorn in the eye. Yavlinsky voiced a curious figure from the Audit Chamber — misappropriation of funds by state agencies to bill to trillions. Non-payment of taxes by state corporations over 600 lard. And what, on the site there are no people who are obliged to fight and suppress such violations in the subject and post. So what's up? So we ourselves need to reconsider our attitude and do something, and not whine about other people's yachts, etc. hi
              3. Natalia777
                Natalia777 14 February 2018 12: 13
                +1
                You are psychic ....
              4. Natalia777
                Natalia777 14 February 2018 12: 23
                +1
                You differ from many liberalists from the authorities only in the level of dullness.
            3. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 13 February 2018 17: 38
              +23
              Quote: You Vlad
              I think yes, it will be different, we will not have a civil war! Although many of all forces are trying (working) on ​​this.

              It is clear that Putin will bring the country to war. There has never been such a predatory regime in Russia.
              And the current government has snickered and stolen to such an extent that, in comparison with them, the kings seem to be beggars, and their residences are miserable huts.
              1. You Vlad
                You Vlad 13 February 2018 17: 54
                +14
                Quote: Stroporez
                It is clear that Putin will bring the country to war

                Well, you always understood everything, you are your communist country about --- and now teach us life!
                Quote: Stroporez
                There was no such predatory regime in Russia yet.

                You know, I'm honestly ready to give the whole country GDP wink Not only some unknown rogue palace in the photo!
                Let it rule yes
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 13 February 2018 17: 59
                  +19
                  Quote: You Vlad
                  You know, I'm honestly ready to give the whole country GDP

                  mdyayaya how everything is started .. It is better to take care of the liver, it will be than pay for the mortgage.
                  Quote: You Vlad
                  Let it rule

                  Yeah, in the club on the Far East.
                  1. You Vlad
                    You Vlad 13 February 2018 18: 09
                    +12
                    Quote: Stroporez
                    mdyayaya how everything is started .. It is better to take care of the liver, it will be than pay for the mortgage.

                    I'm fine, I have something to protect yes
                    Better GDP rules the country for life (this is a good option from my point of view yes ) than the Communist Party under the strict guidance of the CIA hi
                    1. Sling cutter
                      Sling cutter 13 February 2018 18: 25
                      +25
                      Quote: You Vlad
                      Better GDP rules the country for life (this is a good option from my point of view

                      I was sent a tax in 8 tyrov for a summer cottage and 18 acres.
                      This year they are planning to introduce a mushroom tax. To hell with me such power. am
                      1. You Vlad
                        You Vlad 13 February 2018 18: 31
                        +10
                        Quote: Stroporez
                        This year they are planning to introduce a mushroom tax. To hell with me such power.

                        You and Stas share a training manual in half or something lol
                        Quote: Stas157
                        They are already discussing how to tax mushroom pickers and berry pickers! Where next then ?! Soon they will begin to rip off a beggar from a beggar! Behind the homeless will!

                        Again, as always laughing
                        Meanwhile, the Ministry of Agriculture said that such an initiative never existed. “The information that appeared in the media that the Ministry of Agriculture advocates the introduction of a license for the collection of wild mushrooms is fiction and does not correspond. reality, ”the press service of the Ministry of Agriculture of Russia said.
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                      3. SPACE
                        SPACE 13 February 2018 21: 11
                        +8
                        Quote: Stroporez
                        I was sent a tax in 8 tyrov for a summer cottage and 18 acres.

                        Some have no housing at all. A witness account?
                        Quote: Stroporez
                        This year they are planning to introduce a mushroom tax. To hell with me such power.

                        You forgot about the hedgehog tax. Why is the government so
                        how are you or what is the use of horseradish to the state?
                    2. Sling cutter
                      Sling cutter 13 February 2018 21: 51
                      +8
                      Quote: You Vlad
                      You and Stas share a training manual in half or something

                      Quote: SPACE
                      You forgot about the hedgehog tax. Why is the government so
                      how are you or what is the use of horseradish to the state?

                      two (according to the laurel) is a strong force. laughing President Voloshin and Dyachenko threw you, and so that their crimes are not investigated, they will keep him in power until the last.
                      What regiment did you serve? or do you have flat feet? what
                    3. Baloo
                      Baloo 13 February 2018 22: 11
                      +8
                      Quote: You Vlad
                      It’s better that GDP rules the country for life (this is a good option from my point of view) than the Communist Party under the strict guidance of the CIA

                      I do not think that such a prospect will please GDP. Those young people who replaced many governors and less significant officials last year, have two or more specialized entities, and at the regional level they will gain experience in public administration. So in 6 years we will have someone to choose from.
                      GDP is not needed; it cannot leave the business to which it has devoted the last quarter of a century of its life; a sense of responsibility does not allow it. Compare the video at least 10 years ago, of course is not easy. Not all Yeltsin’s “elite” has been replaced by a new one, but the process is ongoing. Now the main thing is not to miss young people in Ukraine, it depends on us, educate us.
                2. Karabin
                  Karabin 13 February 2018 18: 44
                  +12
                  Quote: You Vlad
                  you are your communist country about --- and

                  And you? Or were you not yet born? Then it is clear. The history of the country began for you in March 2000.
                  1. You Vlad
                    You Vlad 13 February 2018 19: 06
                    +9
                    Quote: Karabin
                    And you?

                    And you, and you! And we are not pushing for the Communists here
                    Quote: Karabin
                    The history of the country began for you in March 2000.

                    I am 1976 year of birth. so my youth came exactly in the nineties, I remember everything sad
                    I will not allow one more trick to do with my country, to the best of my ability!
                    1. Karabin
                      Karabin 13 February 2018 19: 21
                      +18
                      Quote: You Vlad
                      I will not allow one more trick to do with my country, to the best of my ability

                      Allow. Not only that, while defending this comprador oligarchic regime, you are contributing to this by all means.
                      1. You Vlad
                        You Vlad 13 February 2018 19: 34
                        +8
                        Quote: Karabin
                        the comprador oligarchic regime is doing its best to do this.

                        It’s for your ideology! That, however, didn’t stop you from nominating a well-known candidate for the presidency! You still need to look for such a hamster, squeezed everything out for yourself what
                    2. Ivan58
                      Ivan58 13 February 2018 20: 09
                      +2
                      And who will ask you? Edro in the Duma will vote, and hello.
                    3. Sma11
                      Sma11 13 February 2018 21: 27
                      +8
                      Quote: you Vlad

                      I am 1976 year of birth. so my youth came exactly in the nineties, I remember everything sad

                      Gopnik chupa-chups in the yard selected?
                      1. You Vlad
                        You Vlad 13 February 2018 21: 33
                        +4
                        Quote: Sma11
                        Gopnik chupa-chups in the yard selected?

                        Do not tell, you are so funny wassat
              2. Lexus
                Lexus 13 February 2018 17: 59
                +16
                There was no such predatory regime in Russia yet.

                Colleague, and for what, in your opinion, were all these classifications of "personal and property data" necessary? Money loves silence, especially appropriated (stolen).
                Now the marginals will fly and their "God save the king ..." will sing. Hold on! soldier
                1. Adequate
                  Adequate 13 February 2018 18: 42
                  +9
                  Lexus, you are straightforwardly very distorted. Is 85% of the population your marginalized? I am ashamed in front of my great-grandfather who did not return from the war. Your problems would seem to him such a trifle. The truth is said, the better the Russian people live, the more they ache. It's a shame for those who whine! THESE PEOPLE HAVE NO RIGHT TO BE CALLED RUSSIAN! RUSSIAN RESISTANT ALL EXPERIENCE, ANY POWER. FOR ANY STABLE POWER, ARE A GOOD LIFE FOR YOURSELF AND YOUR CLOSE!
                  1. You Vlad
                    You Vlad 13 February 2018 19: 13
                    +4
                    Quote: Adequate
                    It's a shame for those who whine! THESE PEOPLE HAVE NO RIGHT TO BE CALLED RUSSIAN!

                    And you know the main joke! They are the first in a bad situation from the country to tear, and then we disentangle!
                    1. Adequate
                      Adequate 13 February 2018 20: 23
                      +7
                      Vlad will not tear you all. It’s just the power that they represent in their dreams and will impose on the rest, as soon as they strengthen, they will plant or shoot these idealists. 1917, 1991, Maidan - how many rakes do people still need to step on? After each of the revolutions, Russia lost its territory, all the accumulations of the population turned to dust ... Vlad, I can’t leave you from Russia for many reasons. The main thing is no desire, but there are examples of those who left and are now working as a dishwasher in Germany, and at a soap factory (this is another story). What I want to say is that my life and my loved ones are not inextricably linked with Russia. If the bucha starts here. I'd rather die in the first week of turmoil clutching the throat of some revolutionary than to relive the humiliation of 1991 again
                      1. You Vlad
                        You Vlad 13 February 2018 20: 29
                        +5
                        Quote: Adequate
                        I'd rather die in the first week of turmoil clutching the throat of some revolutionary than to relive the humiliation of 1991 again

                        I agree with you, you true patriot of Russia! Unlike some supposedly patriots! We just understand very well that they cook with patriotic sauce hi
                  2. Stas157
                    Stas157 13 February 2018 20: 11
                    +16
                    Quote: Adequate
                    It's a shame for those who whine! THESE PEOPLE HAVE NO RIGHT TO BE CALLED RUSSIAN! RUSSIAN RESISTANT ALL EXPERIENCE, ANY POWER. FOR ANY STABLE POWER, ARE A GOOD LIFE FOR YOURSELF AND YOUR CLOSE!

                    That is, you have now struck out those 20-30 million people who are below the poverty line in Russia? But for some reason they did not achieve a good life, with Putin’s 18 year stability.
                    Quote: You Vlad
                    And you know the main joke! They are the first in a bad situation from the country to tear, and then we disentangle!

                    Rather, those who argue like this, and idolize their current masters! But ordinary people who do not have offshore accounts, and foreign castles - will not explode! Because there is nowhere, and nothing.
                    1. Adequate
                      Adequate 13 February 2018 21: 59
                      +3
                      Crossed out. Poverty in the head is proven. I know pensioners with a bunch of land. At a time they bought cheaply. Now they sell under IZHS, so that I live in retirement. Hoping for the state complete nonsense. He himself must provide the future and teach children. At one time I lived longer with my parents than my friends. But he earned an apartment without a mortgage. In short, that such as you explain. Have you analyzed who is included in these 20 million? The scoop collapsed, the money sailed away, nothing to the pension fund ... FROM WHAT PENSION TO PAY ??? CAN KILL ON SPACE ??? ON THE ARMY ??? FOR EVERYTHING ELSE ??? BUT PENSIONS FOR 25 tr do ??? SO???
                      1. Sma11
                        Sma11 13 February 2018 22: 31
                        +9
                        Quote: Adequate
                        CAN KILL ON SPACE ??? ON THE ARMY ??? FOR EVERYTHING ELSE ??? BUT PENSIONS FOR 25 TR DO ??? SO???

                        I still wonder how with such an "effective menager" both space and the army still exist. Made in the USSR - however. Safety margin is tenfold. We go there and Serdyukov, and Rogozin, and Shoigu. He doesn’t take anything. But after six years, nothing "bend" under the "sensitive" leadership.
                  3. Sma11
                    Sma11 13 February 2018 21: 34
                    +4
                    Quote: Adequate
                    It's a shame for those who whine! THESE PEOPLE HAVE NO RIGHT TO BE CALLED RUSSIAN! RUSSIAN RESISTANT ALL EXPERIENCE, ANY POWER. FOR ANY STABLE POWER, ARE A GOOD LIFE FOR YOURSELF AND YOUR CLOSE

                    Blah blah blah. Lenin-Party-Communism. Not tired yet?
                    1. Adequate
                      Adequate 13 February 2018 22: 09
                      +3
                      Why are you sailing? Pictures learned to embed. Well done! History will judge us. Although you will still whine. Devastation is in her head. I see no reason in the further dialogue with you Sma11
                      1. Sma11
                        Sma11 13 February 2018 22: 23
                        +4
                        Yes, it’s hard to have a dialogue with odious people. Especially when they consider themselves right in everything. Take off the pink glasses, Dear.
              3. Victor N
                Victor N 13 February 2018 18: 14
                +8
                We will calmly, without tantrums, work for our family, as always. And our good will enter the national wealth of the country.
                Yachts and palaces are separate, my family and I are separate. To each his own.
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 14 February 2018 08: 15
                  +2
                  Quote: Victor N
                  Yachts and palaces are separate, my family and I are separate. To each his own.

                  The fact of the matter is that someone cutlets, and someone flies. wink
              4. Karabin
                Karabin 13 February 2018 18: 57
                +14
                kings seem to be rogues, and their residences are pathetic huts.

                And as you like. Well, what did the kings do? Well there, Siberia was annexed, East, windows were cut there, Novorossia was equipped, an empire was created. You still remember the Bolsheviks with industrialization, war and space. Well, who are they against the current Knee Lifts and Pipe Titans?
              5. Natalia777
                Natalia777 14 February 2018 12: 26
                +1
                Well, well ... you would have been more comfortable with Yeltsin, Dudaevs, and Poroshenko with Ksyusha dogs ... but it’s broken off ...
            4. 97110
              97110 13 February 2018 18: 50
              +8
              Quote: You Vlad
              we will not have a civil war!

              What does that tell you? Bank account? Results of the reporting visit to a medical institution? The selfless love of your staff, demonstrated to you personally so talentedly, that you believe?
              1. You Vlad
                You Vlad 13 February 2018 19: 19
                +3
                Quote: 97110
                what do you believe

                There are no others, but those farther! PS what question is the answer! Goodbye hi
              2. Natalia777
                Natalia777 14 February 2018 12: 30
                +1
                This liberalists believe in their nonsense. And normal people can analyze and see a causal relationship .. Russia is able to maintain order at home and restore order near the house. Gone are the days when American agents ruled the ball ...
            5. Stas157
              Stas157 13 February 2018 19: 42
              +11
              Quote: You Vlad
              Everyone thinks to the best of his depravity, you Stas is no exception!

              Well, this time you are showing your corruption, once again turning to personalities, and trying to teach! Why are you taking this ungrateful role all the time? Who did you imagine, a teacher or a judge?
              1. You Vlad
                You Vlad 13 February 2018 19: 47
                +4
                Quote: Stas157
                Who did you imagine, a teacher or a judge?

                You see a speck in a stranger’s eye, but in your log you don’t notice!
                Wake up Stas, wake up in the end!
                Quote: Stas157
                What do you want to be answered by the public? In fact, the poorest will go to war mainly. The richest have already prepared warm places abroad, offshore accounts, and dual citizenship! Now is the 21st century - you got on a plane and you are already in the other hemisphere!
                1. Stas157
                  Stas157 13 February 2018 20: 00
                  +11
                  Quote: You Vlad
                  You see a speck in a stranger’s eye, but in your log you don’t notice!

                  You seem to be in your parallel reality! And where do I get personal there, and teach you? There was not a word said about you!
                  1. You Vlad
                    You Vlad 13 February 2018 20: 12
                    +3
                    Quote: Stas157
                    And where do I get personal there, and teach you?

                    So you need to be a writer, there is no one with you who will not pass over to a person laughing In the meantime, here you judge people, which I pointed out to you!
                2. Romey
                  Romey 13 February 2018 20: 01
                  +12
                  Quote: you Vlad

                  You see a speck in a stranger’s eye, but in your log you don’t notice!

                  Wo ... This is just about you. We see fake accounts of the rogue Grudinin in comparison with the oil and gas kings, but we do not want to see Abramovich and Medvedev's yachts point-blank.
                  1. You Vlad
                    You Vlad 13 February 2018 20: 15
                    +4
                    Quote: romey
                    But the yachts of Abramovich and Medvedev do not want to see point blank.

                    Believe me, I don’t have what they have there! It doesn’t hurt me from someone else’s success! yes
                    1. Romey
                      Romey 13 February 2018 20: 21
                      +10
                      Quote: you Vlad

                      Believe me, I don’t have what they have there! It doesn’t hurt me from someone else’s success! yes

                      Of course. If a successful person is called Usmanov or Rotenberg. Especially if success is based on sacred secrets with one person. But if he is called Grudinin very, very ...
                  2. You Vlad
                    You Vlad 13 February 2018 20: 40
                    +5
                    Quote: romey
                    Fake rogue accounts of Grudinin

                    What fake accounts? What are you talking about? What about this?

                    So this he himself indicated!
                    Or about that?
                    Accounts Abroad
                    Before registering as a candidate, businessman Pavel Grudinin closed accounts with a foreign bank in the amount of about 14,4 million rubles and disposed of securities with an aggregate nominal value of almost 7,5 billion rubles. This follows from the refinement of information on income, property and securities submitted to him by the Central Election Commission of Russia.


                    More on TASS:
                    http://tass.ru/politika/4870382
                    1. Victor N
                      Victor N 14 February 2018 08: 45
                      +2
                      Closed accounts = money Where? But they stayed!
              2. Natalia777
                Natalia777 14 February 2018 12: 31
                +1
                And you are not capable of any role .... even lost your mind ...
            6. Pax tecum
              Pax tecum 13 February 2018 20: 51
              +3
              In Russia, it was just like in any state having a civil war. A lot of people fled abroad.
          2. vlad66
            vlad66 13 February 2018 17: 06
            +10
            Quote: Stas157
            In fact, the poorest will go to war mainly. The richest have already prepared warm places abroad, offshore accounts, and dual citizenship!

            Ahem, here Stas go here by reference, maybe it will be a shame
            http://forum.topwar.ru/topic/200-генеральские-сын
            ki-for-which-not-ashamed /
            Not everyone is what you think.
            Quote: Stas157
            Half of the civilian population immediately flows abroad. Do you think it will be different in Russia

            And here we can agree, one thing but where to run to those who do not have foreign accounts and offshore companies. yes
            1. Adequate
              Adequate 13 February 2018 17: 47
              +7
              All you would have to run, instead of doing fine here. Work, don't panic. There will be no war (the United States is not so dumb as to start a full-blown conflict with Russia).
            2. Stas157
              Stas157 13 February 2018 19: 54
              +11
              Quote: vlad66
              And here we can agree, one thing but where to run to those who do not have foreign accounts and offshore companies.

              I answered this question:
              Quote: Stas157
              In fact, the poorest will go to war mainly.


              Quote: vlad66
              Stas, follow the link here, maybe you’ll be ashamed

              I followed your link. There: "During the war in Chechnya in 1994-1996, the sons of the generals died." Your example, unfortunately, does not concern our modern life at all. The people you brought in are more likely to be related to the USSR, and not to Russia! The distance between 1994 and 1991 is only 3 years.
              3 years, as the USSR was gone. But, people remained the same. They were born and raised in the Soviet country, and there they were raised on high ideals. Nowadays, the ideals are completely different. Every man for himself. Everyone loves only his beloved, and they do not care about the rest.
              1. You Vlad
                You Vlad 13 February 2018 20: 07
                +3
                Quote: Stas157
                They were born and raised in the Soviet country, and there they were raised on high ideals. Nowadays, the ideals are completely different. Every man for himself. Everyone loves only his beloved, and they do not care about the rest.

                Judge again? They were Russian people, and then communists! By doing so, you devalue (insult) the exploits of people who are still at war! And we have something to be proud of, the whole world admires the exploits of our fallen soldiers in Syria!
                1. Stas157
                  Stas157 13 February 2018 20: 26
                  +13
                  Quote: You Vlad
                  you devalue (insult) the exploits of people who are still at war! And we have something to be proud of, the whole world admires the exploits of our fallen soldiers in Syria!

                  As you do not cunningly distort everything! Among the Syrian soldiers who perform feats, are children of high officials and oligarchs? No? But it’s about the rich nouveau riche people that are involved, they then have something else to do with exploits. Their exploits will be more of a criminal life. And you Vlad will admire them?
                  It seems to me that you deliberately turn on the fool.))
                  1. You Vlad
                    You Vlad 13 February 2018 20: 48
                    +3
                    Quote: Stas157
                    Among the Syrian soldiers who perform feats, are children of high officials and oligarchs? No?

                    And on what basis do you say the opposite?
                    1. Stas157
                      Stas157 13 February 2018 21: 22
                      +13
                      Quote: You Vlad
                      Quote: Stas157
                      Among the Syrian soldiers who perform feats, are children of high officials and oligarchs? No?

                      And on what basis do you say the opposite?

                      That is, you think that the children of oligarchs and high officials are fighting in Syria ?? This is the number!
                      For those who are in parallel reality, I will only say the EXACT fact that among the famous Syrian heroes who received awards, there are no rich kids.
                      1. You Vlad
                        You Vlad 13 February 2018 23: 16
                        +1
                        Quote: Stas157
                        That is, you think that the children of oligarchs and high officials are fighting in Syria ?? This is the number!

                        I believe that it is not a fact that there are none!
          3. R-140
            R-140 14 February 2018 02: 47
            +2
            Dzmicer Yesterday, 15:40 ↑
            Die for the yacht Melnichenko! We will not regret our bellies for the yachts of Abramovich and Usmanov!

            D .. you are my friend.
        2. Pax tecum
          Pax tecum 13 February 2018 20: 54
          +5
          [quote = Stas157] Take any country. Syria, Ukraine, Donbass ... Half of the civilian population immediately flows abroad. [/ Quote]
          These любые as you said, countries are all sick of the same civil war! [quote = Stas157] [quote]. If tomorrow is a war and they bring you a summons, will you go to war? Out of a dozen young people, one thought. The rest just said yes. [/ quote]
          Do you think it will be different in Russia? [/ Quote]
          I think yes, it will be different, we will not have a civil war! Although many of all forces are trying (working) on ​​this. [/ Quote]
          Have you forgotten the story? In Russia, it was just like in any state having a civil war. A lot of people fled abroad. Where no one was waiting for them ...
          And, the intervention, worked out in its time in Russia, is now a mandatory supplement to the civil war.
        3. Galaktionych
          Galaktionych 13 February 2018 22: 25
          +2
          Quote: Chertt
          Quote: Dzmicer
          Die for the yacht Melnichenko!

          To whom is close.

          Well, on this yacht you still will not be driven. You are not a Fish.
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      3. 210ox
        210ox 13 February 2018 21: 02
        +1
        Yes, you will not die for them. Do not be a fool.
        Quote: Dzmicer
        Die for the yacht Melnichenko! We will not regret our bellies for the yachts of Abramovich and Usmanov!
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    3. Vladimir 5
      Vladimir 5 13 February 2018 17: 56
      +10
      There is a need for change, and it is fraught with violent clashes, it will not be gagant for another 6 years if the president continues to pursue the same domestic policy of GDP, and there will be no need to wait for a long time for nation-wide events ... The Russian Guard has been created, on par with the RF Armed Forces, for which they created ?! The only way out today is P. Grudinin, the president and the new patriotic forces in governing the country, the liberals will run away, but the robbery of the country and the lawlessness of everything will stop ...
    4. vindigo
      vindigo 13 February 2018 21: 35
      +2
      I think this only guy will go to war. The remaining show-offs are bashing.
    5. Kachesgm
      Kachesgm 14 February 2018 13: 48
      0
      Service in the modern Russian army instilled an aversion to this institution of the state. The officers are really complete mediocrity, and conscripts are for them something interfering and unnecessary, only occasionally they are used for promotion. So the West well conveyed the idea to modern young people that the war would not be to destroy the population, but to shift the ruling elite. For many, this is an opportunity to remove the local kings and princes, so many will not only surrender, but join the ranks of the NATO army. There will be an opportunity to "rise" through life, and not disappear by order of our inexperienced officers of the Russian Armed Forces.
      In order not to throw tomatoes - I grew up on books about the Second World War and was a patriotic citizen, but the army weathered this concept from me with a root ...
      1. Baloo
        Baloo 14 February 2018 18: 05
        +1
        Quote: KachesGM
        In order not to throw tomatoes - I grew up on books about the Second World War and was a patriotic citizen, but the army weathered this concept from me with a root ...

        You're lying
  2. Loess
    Loess 13 February 2018 15: 27
    +6
    So who should we "sculpt"? Who should bring up kindergartens, schools, colleges, universities?
    No need to blame everything on school. School can educate in primary school. Then the youth begins to look around and absorb everything like a “sponge”. And the result is what the author wrote about. Because on the air (including on the Internet) it is not necessary to dump scandals about how everything is bad, but to give out positive examples. And then everywhere there is one continuous negative. That's when the pilot died, everyone sympathizes and worries, and at the same time, many begin to pour mud over their own country under the stress. True or false is still unknown about the Wagnerites, but it is already beginning - they are not telling us anything, so it is, 100500 of the dead. You know about the Olympians with what words they said here. What for? On what examples to educate young people, if there is always a mass of people who will turn any event on the wrong side, and even pour mud on everyone. You yourself say that young people take Old from the network. Here comes the youth representative and what will he see? What is dirt alone? Where will the respect for heroism and love for the motherland come from? Television with stupid talk shows there too. After all, the media is a great tool for proper education. They just don’t know how to use it.
    1. Petr1968
      Petr1968 13 February 2018 16: 57
      +9
      Quote: Less
      After all, the media is a great tool for proper education. They just don’t know how to use it.

      Do not know how?))) Oooochen You are mistaken. Oooochen)) The 2018 elections will show whether they can or not))
    2. Sma11
      Sma11 13 February 2018 20: 57
      +6
      Quote: Less
      [That's when the pilot died, everyone sympathizes and worries, and at the same time, many begin to pour mud over their own country under the stress. True or false is still unknown about the Wagnerites, but it is already beginning - they are not telling us anything, so it is, 100500 of the dead. You know about the Olympians with what words they said here. What for? On what examples to educate young people, if there is always a mass of people who will turn any event on the wrong side, and even pour mud on everyone. You yourself say that young people take Old from the network. Here comes the youth representative and what will he see? What is dirt alone? Where will the respect for heroism and love for the motherland come from?

      And what if the current government is ... on "respect for the feat and love of the motherland"? If she gives out “heroes” to bandits and swindlers. If this very government called the "Afghans" - killers, and forgets about some of the "participants" at all (politics is his mother). As for the monuments and graves in Europe and the Baltic states - ay-ay-ay-blah blah blah. What examples are you talking about?
    3. Sofa General
      Sofa General 13 February 2018 22: 36
      +9
      Then the youth begins to look around and absorb everything like a “sponge”.

      Loess
      Here the youth decided to go in for sports ... And here is just the great “peremoga" with the Olympics. And what does youth see? Putin apologized to the athletes for not being able to protect them? That is, the athletes defended themselves in the courts, without state support. A very patriotic example.
      Further. Remember the terrible terrorist attack in Domodedovo? The Minister of Social Development at that time, a certain Golodets, said LIVE on the phrase: “Well, TRADITIONALLY, everyone who has lost a loved one will receive a million compensation!” Another "peremoga".
      Even further? Garant press conference, question about Sechin. The answer is just lovely! "And I told him, one must be more modest!"
      Even further? And races around Moscow on gelenvagenami? And the son of Ivanov, who shot down his grandmother not a pedestrian zebra? Is Rogozin’s son in IL Corporation?
      Enough for you?
      Say Putin is not to blame for every single episode? No, of course, not to blame. But the system was built under him, which means that every, any unjust decision of the court, government, petty clerk in place is exactly the straw that breaks the back of a camel.
      1. Loess
        Loess 14 February 2018 08: 36
        +1
        I answer you and those who commented above (I know that all the same, cheat and send out everything, but at least you might think about it):




        And finally:
        1. Svetlana
          Svetlana 14 February 2018 12: 49
          +1
          Quote: Less
          I answer you and those who commented above (I know that all the same, cheat and send out everything, but at least you might think about it):

          And what, on the basis of all that has been said above, examples of the heroism of ordinary people are proof of the success of the current government? These are not sons on heliks, these are ordinary people brought up by their parents, far from being kindly treated by this power.
          1. Loess
            Loess 14 February 2018 13: 26
            +2
            And where is the success or failure of the authorities? It is about educating the younger generations. And if you still have not been able to understand my thought, then I will try to explain it more easily: only naggers and “all-fangers” can be educated for nagging and “all gone”. I’m saying that the young generation should always have a positive example before their eyes. Nowhere and I never said that everything is fine with us and we have a wonderful life, but healthy criticism is beneficial, unlike stupid whining and dousing with dirt and everything. Am I spelling out? And the same "sons on heliks" must have the same examples before their eyes. You cannot re-educate these in this way; they are completely formed personalities; other methods are needed with them, but those that grow up after them are not yet lost.
            1. Sofa General
              Sofa General 14 February 2018 15: 01
              +1
              Loess.
              Believe me, what you write is from the realm of utopia. To execute what you have written, you need to put everyone on an equal footing, which alas, is impossible. And the larger the settlement, the more “impossible” it is.
              1. Loess
                Loess 14 February 2018 15: 13
                0
                You have to start with something. Television is available to everyone, the Internet is accessible to many. And if you consider this issue solely in the light of "skirmishes" on the Internet, then yes, then utopia.
                1. Sofa General
                  Sofa General 14 February 2018 17: 59
                  +1
                  Not sure where to start?
                  To start with the mass execution of the order of 1000-2000 corrupt officials. With a television show.
                  1. Loess
                    Loess 14 February 2018 18: 35
                    +1
                    Quote: Sofa General
                    Not sure where to start?

                    Unlike you, I know. And I do what I can. And if it comes to executions, then first of all you need to shoot professional alarmists, and then corrupt officials, those who do not understand the hint. For corrupt officials still have more brains than alarmists.
          2. Dart2027
            Dart2027 14 February 2018 18: 12
            0
            Quote: Svetlana
            These are not sons on heliks

            Actually, there were cadets of the FSB Academy in rented cars, not oligarchs.
  3. Petr1968
    Petr1968 13 February 2018 15: 30
    +17
    The first thing that shocked me was the attitude of a certain part of the interlocutors to the death of Roman Filipov. Why did a Russian guy die in Syria? Why are our boys and girls there at all? The hero can only be the one who defends his own country ...

    The West has had problems with migrants and terrorist attacks - this is the power that solves them with the lives of our children. Not a single European died, we were left with dirty work. We are suppliers of oil and fighters. That’s all the dry residue ... And the rest is the lyrics and pathos that cotton wool pecks on. Our power for grandmothers merged everyone, while power there dies on yachts with prostitutes on the seas for a ride .. and you are proud further, have thrown themselves on a wreath and that's it, we live further.
    The youth is not for the brain with nightingale litters and govnosheininy, so they think logically.
    But another topic, about the elections, made me think. Young people do not believe in future changes. Everything will be as always.

    But what, someone here believes in something else?))) There isn’t much of a mind to know who will be the president and how his people will live on))
    1. Berber
      Berber 13 February 2018 15: 54
      +5
      Something YOU PETER 1986 turned everything upside down. You are for money or ideologically.
      1. Petr1968
        Petr1968 13 February 2018 16: 04
        +5
        Quote: BerBer
        Something YOU PETER 1986 turned everything upside down. You are for money or ideologically.

        For the money, of course !!!
      2. Svetlana
        Svetlana 14 February 2018 13: 27
        +1
        Quote: BerBer
        Something YOU PETER 1986 turned everything upside down. You are for money or ideologically.

        Can you prove the opposite with something? What Petr1968 says is logical and obvious with the current “human” values ​​and ideals, those who hold power. And the hostility-friendship with Turkey - “we won’t sell ourselves for your tomatoes”, allowed to build a flow - again friends, and the prohibitions on flights to Egypt due to the supposedly high degree of concern for the safety of our citizens, and financial investments in the economy of the “main enemy” of all mankind supposedly madly beneficial to our impoverished economy, and other rubbish and noodles on people's ears. Under the beautiful patriotic slogans, using terrorist attacks as scarecrows, it is not clear by whom and for what purpose organized, our children are sent to death. Not American and European planes shot down, but ours, not American doctors in Syrian hospitals bomb, but ours. And not American generals and ordinary officers perish there, but ours. And terrorists are not always to blame for their death. How so? Own your own? Partners, allies! And what is the ultimate goal in this war? Why sacrifice the lives of their citizens? Here you are at least for money, at least ideologically, or for yourself at least can answer this question?
        1. Berber
          Berber 14 February 2018 14: 43
          +1
          The main thing with PETR 1986 is that our young people perish for some reason. And I will tell you this: throughout our history, Russia has fought, and it is better to fight with lesser blood than someone else’s territory than with big ones in its own.
    2. Dart2027
      Dart2027 13 February 2018 16: 46
      +3
      Quote: Petr1968
      The West has problems with migrants and terrorist attacks - this is the power that solves them with the lives of our children

      Do you even know that the Western elites themselves provide terrorists and migrants?
      1. Petr1968
        Petr1968 13 February 2018 16: 55
        +9
        Quote: Dart2027
        Do you even know that the Western elites themselves provide terrorists and migrants?

        I’ll say more, Masons who seek to undermine and destroy the world. I watched REN TV)))))
        1. Karabin
          Karabin 13 February 2018 17: 32
          +8
          Quote: Petr1968
          masons

          And the beastmen, their mother!
          1. Petr1968
            Petr1968 13 February 2018 17: 35
            +9
            Quote: Karabin
            And the beastmen, their mother!

            You caught the main threats to Russia, it is necessary to rally around the President!))
            1. Dashing
              Dashing 13 February 2018 21: 24
              +2
              Petr1968, which president, Putin, Grudinin, Zhirinovsky? Or, for you, the president of the Russian Federation is a synonym for Putin. Isn't this the main threat to Russia - the irremovability of power.
              1. telobezumnoe
                telobezumnoe 14 February 2018 00: 44
                0
                and what's the difference, there are all of them, it doesn’t matter who wins, the policy will not change, the host of the show will just change, but not the editor-in-chief. how can you choose from people you don’t know and whose image the media just created? for each target group there is a hero to satisfy the demand of the electorate. someone real who really wants to change something in favor of the people will not be shown on TV, much less put forward to indulge. it's just a show where there is no choice in elections, just an element of the tale of democracy
              2. Petr1968
                Petr1968 14 February 2018 10: 37
                +3
                The people can’t be fooled, they choose with their mind and heart. And he will choose Putin .. we have monarchical traditions, I am against the elections in general, a waste of money! What do we choose now? That's right, we choose Putin! Then why this circus. He, with these so-called candidates, does not even want to enter into debates, and rightly! Who is against Putin, the enemy of Russia !! Under Stalin, they would have already deported the forest!
                1. telobezumnoe
                  telobezumnoe 14 February 2018 12: 50
                  0
                  Do you think that somewhere they really choose? they choose charismatic personalities, who jokes better, speaks more beautifully. just imagine that the election of the head of the Academy of Sciences was held by universal suffrage) is ridiculous, but for some reason the head of state seems natural to us
          2. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 13 February 2018 17: 52
            +11
            Quote: Karabin
            And the beastmen, their mother!

            Do you think the orcs and goblins are less dangerous ?! belay
            1. Romey
              Romey 13 February 2018 20: 03
              +4
              Darth Vader forgot ... how could it be without him! We will unite all around Putin and save the galaxy! laughing
        2. Dart2027
          Dart2027 13 February 2018 19: 09
          +3
          Quote: Petr1968
          I watched REN TV

          That is, you deny the fact that the US intelligence agencies began all this chaos in the BV, but you can’t think of anything other than references to the Masons?
          1. Petr1968
            Petr1968 14 February 2018 10: 43
            0
            Quote: Dart2027
            That is, you deny the fact that US intelligence agencies started all this chaos in the BV

            And why not the KGB?))) We also love fishing in troubled waters)) Or do you think our diplomats and politicians are purely ideological, it’s mainly not loot, but justice?))) And what do they then prostitute for on yachts, but do not sow good to the masses?)))) And why do they send children to the damned west, if there are enemies and gays)) In order to sow our ideas there?)))
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 14 February 2018 12: 00
              0
              Quote: Petr1968
              Why not the KGB?

              There are a thousand reasons for this. Firstly, the KGB has long ceased to exist.
              1. Petr1968
                Petr1968 14 February 2018 12: 31
                0
                When we started to build "relations" there, it was the KGB. And they recruited whoever needed and helped whom they needed, don’t worry, the Americans are not the only ones so smart. We have never been a regional power and our interests have always extended far abroad. It's just that we have a tradition of denying everything.
                1. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 14 February 2018 18: 07
                  +1
                  Quote: Petr1968
                  When we started building "relationships" there

                  And then Gorbachev came and ordered all activities to be curtailed, and then there was Yeltsin, in which US advisers practically lived in the Kremlin.
                  Quote: Petr1968
                  and always our interests extended far abroad.

                  Interests really extended. But what are our interests in the emergence of Daesh at the border?
        3. serg999
          serg999 13 February 2018 19: 14
          +3
          Quote: Petr1968
          Quote: Dart2027
          Do you even know that the Western elites themselves provide terrorists and migrants?

          I’ll say more, Masons who seek to undermine and destroy the world. I watched REN TV)))))

          And you, go, thought that ISIS itself was formed? Ha ha ha
    3. Victor N
      Victor N 13 February 2018 18: 26
      +6
      The European has not died - their women are being raped right at home. And they still pay for it. Especially the Norwegians - the palace was beaten off to the supercriminal, they are spent on maintenance, the courts for coffee lose him. And how well they live!
      Jealous? So - I'm not with you. It’s better to fight at home like my grandfathers.
      1. Petr1968
        Petr1968 14 February 2018 10: 40
        0
        Quote: Victor N
        Jealous? So - I'm not with you. It’s better to fight at home like my grandfathers.

        So fight who is bothering you ... just for this you have to get off the couch !!))) I, too, are not with you, my dear Syrian brother, I have a lot of affairs in Russia, and you sort of deal with your abreks there somehow .
      2. Petr1968
        Petr1968 14 February 2018 12: 33
        0
        Quote: Victor N
        The European has not died - their women are being raped right at home.

        You do not confuse porn channels with reality))) In your German films, every plumber rapes German women, right?))))
  4. looker-on
    looker-on 13 February 2018 15: 36
    +11
    So, after the election, something needs to be changed.
    Change in the system
    Again tomorrow? Why not yesterday or today? Once again, then later we will reconsider. We are convenient words for us. They have no personality and personal responsibility. The article did not like. Nostalgia alone about the great and mighty USSR
    1. Victor N
      Victor N 13 February 2018 18: 34
      +6
      God gave - you need to live today and tomorrow. I can’t understand - why wait and demand benefits to someone: power, government, president ?! I live at my own expense and I will continue. And let them strengthen and protect the country, as the authorities always did before. The USSR has already remained very far away, and there is no need to idealize it!
    2. Petr1968
      Petr1968 14 February 2018 14: 53
      0
      Quote: looker-on
      Again tomorrow? Why not yesterday or today?

      We’ll start on Monday)) Not immediately))
  5. Dzmicer
    Dzmicer 13 February 2018 15: 37
    +4
    Either we are reforming the country peacefully, without blood and excesses, or the country is reforming itself. But what? Will we repeat the way of the Russian Empire a hundred years ago? Or the way of Ukraine? We must think and draw conclusions. Correct conclusions!

    Do not repeat. The average age of the population of the Republic of Ingushetia in 1917 is 17 years old, now it is 39. Young people today are a minority whose opinion is neglected, hence radicalism.
  6. Moore
    Moore 13 February 2018 15: 47
    +10
    As for the fact that we could not replace our grandfathers and grandmothers, that education and upbringing in our time are two different things, I absolutely agree.
    What is left for us? Living the way we lived is still impossible. Delay reforms too. Young tigers are already grown and ready for battle.

    The fight is given for some purpose. The goal involves achieving a result in the long term - distant or not. Under the shadow of what slogans is this achievement seen? The ideology of Russian people is the highest justice. For the sake of justice, you can fight. But this ideology categorically does not correspond with the ideology of the now-living "elite".
    No matter how blasphemous it sounds, it will unite the "elite" and the people can now only face the terrible test called "war" - our opponents quite intelligibly explained that it was not planned to capture even the liberal oligarchs.
    1. domokl
      13 February 2018 16: 25
      +8
      Hard, but true in principle. "But why, in order to be stronger, we need a war ..." So it seemed there was a song. Only now this elite of the country will dump at the first danger.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 13 February 2018 16: 46
        +7
        this same elite from the country at the first danger.

    2. rkkasa xnumx
      rkkasa xnumx 13 February 2018 17: 10
      +6
      Quote: Moore
      unite the "elite" and the people can now only a terrible test called "war"

      The PMV example suggests the opposite.
      1. Victor N
        Victor N 13 February 2018 19: 10
        +3
        The real elite will not blame! The real one!
        And upstarts nouveau riche and not needed.
        Important changes are taking place in the country, Putin is doing a lot to select new promising personnel for management, the elite is changing, effective projects are being implemented - open your eyes! And the youth.
        1. Sofa General
          Sofa General 13 February 2018 23: 29
          +8
          Putin is doing a lot to select new promising personnel for management, the elite is changing,

          Rogozin's son at IL Corporation - your comments?
          1. Logall
            Logall 13 February 2018 23: 40
            +6
            And in my opinion, an elite is being created that will rule the dynasties ... Like the American Rothschild clans, Rockefellers ...
            George, I greet you!
            1. Sofa General
              Sofa General 13 February 2018 23: 44
              +6
              Mutually Alexander, Mutually
              All right, you said, all right. It creates the "ilita" ... And the dynasties. After all, another 30 years will pass, and those who were born in the USSR and remember what it is just will not for natural reasons, but what is being taught in schools ...
              As an example, Ukraine. There, over 25 years, they have done with youth such that a Himler with Goebbels in the next world standing ovation.
              It is a pity that only a few understand the situation.
              1. Logall
                Logall 14 February 2018 00: 17
                +3
                Quote: Sofa General
                After all, another 30 years will pass, and those who were born in the USSR and remember what it is - simply will not for natural reasons

                Nah, I plan to live longer! While everything is going according to plan ...
                The outcome of these elections is a foregone conclusion; we need to look six years ahead! Unite! "Otherwise, we will not see freedom!"
                "And also the Cossack asked for truth for the people. There will be truth on Earth - there will be freedom. Oh ..."
                1. Sofa General
                  Sofa General 14 February 2018 00: 20
                  +6
                  I, if I stretch another 25, it will be great. I’m not allowed less, I’m still very young on my feet ...
                  1. Logall
                    Logall 14 February 2018 00: 25
                    +7
                    Quote: Sofa General
                    I’m still very young on my feet ...

                    And under the USSR it was bad - the head didn’t hurt children, the state provided housing and work!
                    1. Sofa General
                      Sofa General 14 February 2018 00: 35
                      +6
                      Under the USSR, I knew for sure that the state system does not allow a person to fall below the lower limit. If there is at least some craving for something: dragged, developed, pushed ... were TEACHERS and MENTORS. And now, the CONTROLLERS and the TESTS.
                      If during the USSR I knew for sure that while working in metallurgy, mining, instrumentation, I was a well-to-do person, and I knew that my work was for the good of the Motherland, but now ... I remember the curse that your children would be miners ... now, working in the same industries, I do not see how my homeland needs my work. I can only see the dough moving, which settles in the pockets of the new "owners", and they try to give me a "corporate culture" ...
            2. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 13 February 2018 23: 49
              +4
              Quote: Logall
              And in my opinion, an elite is being created that will rule the dynasties ... Like the American Rothschild clans, Rockefellers ...
              George, I greet you!

              The snout did not come out, all this for the time being ...
              "To let the gold be calmer
              It was tight in wallets
              The robbers guard them
              From the robbers of others.

              Squeezed everything, fiends.
              After all, it’s written, do not be bad!
              They’re smacked, squeals
              Just to scare the neighbor.

              No, have not yet flinched,
              Do not take off, axes.
              Sleeping fire by a barrel of gunpowder.
              Sleeping darling, for the time being.

              To let the gold be calmer
              It was tight in wallets
              The robbers guard them
              From the robbers of others. "
          2. Victor N
            Victor N 14 February 2018 07: 43
            0
            Go to the "Empire", read "Why Putin protects the Russian elite." Nontrivial.
            As for Rogozin, I will not say anything bad.
    3. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 13 February 2018 23: 37
      +7
      Quote: Moore
      It may sound blasphemous, but it will unite the "elite" and the people can now only face the terrible test called "war" -

      The perfect hat! Nobody will be able to unite me with the authorities. She has eaten, smug, lying, Camprador, afraid of her own people, infinitely lying to the authorities, disgracing herself in the Donbass and throwing a white flag at the Olympics, what a nasty thing ... this is your fish in flood, pah ...
      1. Moore
        Moore 14 February 2018 04: 12
        +3
        Quote: Stroporez
        The perfect hat! Nobody can unite me with the authorities.

        Well, in which case the power itself will come to you. In the form of a summons and a commandant platoon at the wall, if you suddenly do not want to unite with it in any case. If anything, let's not go for power — for our loved ones? Come on, let's go, only the son of Sergei Ivanov will not be firing near the cannon instead of Jacob Stalin, and the sons of Rogozin and, for example, Chaika, will not fight in the sky instead of Vasya Stalin.
  7. Bulrumeb
    Bulrumeb 13 February 2018 16: 21
    +12
    The first thing that was a shock to me was the attitude of some of the interlocutors to the death of Roman Filipov. Why did the Russian guy die in Syria? Why are our guys and girls there at all? The hero can only be one who defends his own country ... And this is at a time when the media were competing in the coverage of the feat of the Russian pilot.

    And what did you actually expect if there is no other ideology in the country except how to settle down to a better fed trough? It will go on like that and those who defend their own country with fools will do it.
    1. Ryazan87
      Ryazan87 13 February 2018 16: 45
      +17
      "Why did the Russian guy die in Syria? Why are our guys and girls there at all?"
      (with interest) - and you can confidently answer these questions? essentially, so to speak.
      1. Petr1968
        Petr1968 13 February 2018 16: 59
        +3
        Quote: Ryazanets87
        (with interest) - and you can confidently answer these questions? essentially, so to speak.

        At one show, deputy Kalashnikov, slightly hesitating, said that he was for his homeland ... Maybe he did not go through the concept of homeland at school? (Homeland is the country in which a person was born and of which he is a citizen)
        1. Ryazan87
          Ryazan87 13 February 2018 17: 02
          +2
          Yes, I wanted to uv. Bulrumeb replied. He seems to know for sure. I am curious.
          1. Bulrumeb
            Bulrumeb 13 February 2018 21: 36
            +3
            He seems to know for sure. I am curious.

            I do not understand your sarcasm. The guy died there, so that people here would not die from these scum.
            1. Petr1968
              Petr1968 14 February 2018 10: 49
              0
              Quote: Bulrumeb
              I do not understand your sarcasm. The guy died there, so that people here would not die from these scum.

              A lot of the Syrians died here? And therefore, not in Samali, for example. By the way, HERE last died from the Kazakh (metro Peter). Something I don’t see the bombing of Kazakhstan .. doesn’t it seem strange?))) Or maybe the floor of Africa is covered with a nuclear strike ... And if we die from a European, where are the attacks on Berlin !!!!! I demand punches !!!!
          2. Pyromaniac
            Pyromaniac 16 February 2018 10: 24
            0
            Quote: Ryazanets87
            Yes, I wanted to uv. Bulrumeb replied. He seems to know for sure. I'm interested

            You know, Ryazanets, there is such a law: if today you don’t interfere, when in the next house thugs rape your neighbor, because "she is gentle to you," then tomorrow you will be raped not only your wife, but also your mother, sister, and children , and yourself ... This is the question of what our guys are doing in Syria.
        2. V. Salama
          V. Salama 13 February 2018 20: 22
          +3
          Quote: Petr1968
          .....
          At one show, deputy Kalashnikov, slightly hesitating, said that he was for his homeland ... Maybe he did not go through the concept of homeland at school? (Homeland is the country in which a person was born and of which he is a citizen)

          He knows, unlike you, what the Motherland is, because he went to school, and you speak a language that you don’t understand. There is such a thing as “citizenship” - the basic quality of a citizen. Do you know what? If not, do not use the word "citizen." This is not just a passport, just like a diploma is an evidence of a certain quality. In the chain of education, “citizenship” stands for “professional competence,” as a result, but has been formed since childhood by the family, society, and the state. Kalashnikov understands and in what time he lives, in such a way when our Motherland can be stolen or destroyed even without war, in your understanding of war.
          Homeland is a land abundantly watered with blood and sweat of our ancestors, it is our multi-ethnic people with its glorious and tragic history and unique culture. These are material, cultural and other values ​​created and multiplied by previous generations. These are natural resources: subsoil, fields, forests, seas and rivers. These are relatives and friends, friends and comrades, and your father’s house and the place where your childhood passed ...
          What do you have left of your homeland, a picture in the primer + a summer residence, an apartment, a car? Where is this culture, science, medicine, education, economy, subsoil, land, fields, forests and rivers? Not everyone has privatized the "special order" yet? The country where you were born and became a citizen ... the second generation of migrants. In our summers they live in boxes of television sets in the summer, next to a dying timber mill.
          1. Victor N
            Victor N 14 February 2018 10: 02
            +1
            Homeland is the memory of our native ancestors who managed to create their own state in the most adverse conditions. Who created, fastened, defended, including on distant approaches - these are OURS.
          2. Petr1968
            Petr1968 14 February 2018 10: 51
            0
            Quote: V. Salama
            Homeland is a land abundantly watered with blood and sweat of our ancestors, it is our multinational people with its glorious and tragic history and unique culture

            For you, Homeland is Syria !!! So Wali nafig there, what did you forget then ??? Agitate for your abreks our guys to die ??? Such as you and without trial under Stalin ... That's when I support the Stalinists. Provocateurs divorced, do not shoot shoot.
            1. andj61
              andj61 14 February 2018 11: 03
              +1
              Quote: Petr1968
              Quote: V. Salama
              Homeland is a land abundantly watered with blood and sweat of our ancestors, it is our multinational people with its glorious and tragic history and unique culture

              For you, Homeland is Syria !!! So Wali nafig there, what did you forget then ??? Agitate for your abreks our guys to die ??? Such as you and without trial under Stalin ... That's when I support the Stalinists. Provocateurs divorced, do not shoot shoot.

              Support! And for your similar views, you would be the first candidate for a place near the wall with a smeared green forehead! bully Then people were internationalists, and many where they fought outside the country - China, Spain, Korea, etc. And they, too, were patriots, were guided approximately by such lines:
              "... But we still get to the Ganges,
              But we still die in battle
              So from Japan to England
              My Motherland Shone! " hi
            2. V. Salama
              V. Salama 15 February 2018 20: 29
              +1
              Quote: Petr1968
              Such as you and without trial under Stalin ... That's when I support the Stalinists. Provocateurs divorced, do not shoot shoot.

              If you vote for Stalin, then perhaps I will come to you with a Mauser. Don’t be scared, I’ll just ask you to argue your position. I think that a forced increase in your education will be the most likely result of our conversation.
      2. V. Salama
        V. Salama 13 February 2018 18: 44
        +8
        Quote: Ryazanets87
        "Why did the Russian guy die in Syria? Why are our guys and girls there at all?"
        (with interest) - and you can confidently answer these questions? essentially, so to speak.

        In Syria, we oppose the expansion of the geopolitical adversary, protect a friendly resource and destroy a hostile resource. Not every time it is possible to legally beat the enemy on distant approaches. Syria is the last outpost we haven’t ... in this region. If we miss, we’ll have to fight on our territory with the same enemy, but the costs will be orders of magnitude greater. This is a war to protect the Fatherland. It is bad that the people do not understand this, and it is difficult to understand and educate, and the author is not Soviet. Pretends to be something?
        The fact is that we global we simply don’t know what kind of person we want to see in our children and grandchildren
        If it were Soviet, I would say it differently, we don’t know, but we don’t want to know and don’t want to educate, because the prohibition of state ideology was legislated. I will not engage in educational program, so I will miss the definition of this concept. But it is ideology that underlies both training and education. Therefore, even heroes die with the words: "For the boys!" And not "For the Motherland, for ...!"
        God forgive me, I almost wrote obscene.
        1. Ryazan87
          Ryazan87 13 February 2018 19: 42
          +7
          "In Syria, we oppose the expansion of the geopolitical adversary"
          That is, the "geopolitical adversary" of the United States, do I understand correctly? Maybe at least in Ukraine it was necessary to fully deal with this, and not to arrange wars on 2 fronts with very "fun" logistics? Or is it too late, huh?

          "protect a friendly resource and destroy a hostile resource."
          Yeah, i.e. The next stop is Egypt. Or Libya. And absolutely gorgeous - Indonesia. And what? "Friend Duterte", the militants of the forbidden-not-called state mischief with might and main. Will we help?

          “If we miss, we’ll have to fight on our territory with the same enemy”
          - if not in the know, war with this adversary has been on the territory of the Russian Federation since 1994. And yet, at least the introduction of a visa regime with some states will bring more benefits than 2-3 years of bombing of Syria by one combined aviation regiment.

          Summary: indeed, the logic of defending the Fatherland through the participation of the war in Syria, the collapse of which is already practically completed, and even with:
          - already in full blazing war directly on the border;
          - the plight of hundreds of thousands of Russian people of Donbass (and Transnistria is in limbo);
          - a bursting budget;
          - tougher sanctions pressure from leading countries of the world.

          I can’t understand. Somehow it is necessary to think in a special way, ideology, apparently, is not enough.
          1. V. Salama
            V. Salama 13 February 2018 22: 48
            +3
            Quote: Ryazanets87
            "
            1.) ..... Maybe at least in Ukraine it was necessary to fully deal with this, and not to arrange wars on 2 fronts with very "fun" logistics? Or is it too late, huh?

            2.) Yeah, i.e. The next stop is Egypt. Or Libya. And absolutely gorgeous - Indonesia. And what? "Friend Duterte", the militants of the forbidden-not-called state mischief with might and main. Will we help?

            3.) - if not in the know, war with this adversary has been on the territory of the Russian Federation since 1994.

            4.) Summary: indeed, the logic of the defense of the Fatherland through the participation of the war in Syria, the collapse of which is already practically completed, ....
            5.) - already in full swing the war directly on the border;
            - the plight of hundreds of thousands of Russian people of Donbass (and Transnistria is in limbo);

            6.) I can’t understand. .... ideology, apparently, is not enough.

            1.) What does logistics have to do with it? And what does Ukraine have to do with it? What is the connection? Do you suggest bombing in Ukraine? Your 2x2 doesn’t converge, but talk about the "tougher sanction pressure of the leading countries of the world." And in Syria we are acting in accordance with international law, the task is the most important and thank the authorities that in this direction she tried to do something.
            2.) The rhetoric distinguishes between the polemics related to the vile, in particular, attempts to reduce the argument to the absurd. You are now doing just that. And what is the name of the person who allows such actions? Ideology is not enough to understand?
            3.) Do not fool around, offer to bomb, or is there a desire to steer the migration service? She and the special services work as they can. The guarantor said they are doing well. Here you are shaking, but Syria is not shaking, not very far-sighted. Okay, I’ll ask you in step 6.
            4.) If the collapse of Syria is a foregone conclusion, then we will no longer be in the Donbass and Transnistria, dear. And Syria will stand, it will be easier to resolve the remaining issues.
            5.) will it be easier for you if the war flames on the territory of Russia? The country is not ready for such a war, I can explain why. Maybe you have a tricky plan?
            6.) there is not enough ideology .... What do you have to do with the army?
            1. Petr1968
              Petr1968 14 February 2018 11: 05
              0
              Quote: V. Salama
              And what does Ukraine have to do with it? What is the connection? Do you suggest bombing in Ukraine?

              You do not catch the connection? And how is the FASCIST of Ukraine different from the opposition in Syria?
              Forgot how they crucified the boy in Slavyansk? How do they bomb old people and children in Donetsk ??? And this is at the very border. Why not bomb these Fascists from the Caspian Sea ??? Well, again, there is no connection?))
              1. V. Salama
                V. Salama 14 February 2018 17: 57
                +1
                Quote: Petr1968

                1.) And how is the FASCIST of Ukraine different from the opposition in Syria?
                2.) Forgot how they crucified the boy in Slavyansk?
                3.) Why aren’t we bombing these Fascists from the Caspian Sea ???
                4.) Well, again, there is no connection?))

                1.) differs only in that our grandfathers of the fascists-Bandera did not take prisoner.
                2.) I do not forget such things. He was ready for war even when Farion abused children. In relation to her hand would not flinch.
                3.) why not bomb? Yes, because we can’t. We are even afraid to recognize the republic. The reasons, if they are not obvious to you, I will not scrub, I will try briefly, but I'm not sure that you will understand: a) the bees do not fight with honey; b) the bourgeois will not contribute to the construction of socialism, especially the hostile financial system, and money is the blood not only of the economy, but also of war; c) it is foolish to open two serious fronts - with an internal enemy and an external enemy. W. Churchill: "... the Soviet people should be grateful to Stalin for entering the war without a fifth column." d) to bomb an autonomous and non-fallow state without UN sanction, dancing to the tune of America, this is a war and a serious war, and the country is not ready for war in many aspects. We can’t even provide food and drug safety, let alone the military aspect. “A good soldier is a soldier alive, not dead,” “You are a soldier with intelligence, you are a soldier with intelligence ...”, and other covenants. It is necessary to prepare, if it is very unbearable - look for other ways. But there are almost similar problems with this.
                4.) Well, call me, as there was no connection, there is no connection, at least call the signalmen.
            2. Ryazan87
              Ryazan87 14 February 2018 11: 10
              +2
              1. "What does logistics have to do with it?"
              Take an interest in the logistics of supplying the Syrian group, how it is carried out, how much it costs and what risks it has. Then you can talk about opposing the expansion of someone else.
              2. "And what does Ukraine have to do with it? What is the connection?"
              And Ukraine? This is your argument "In Syria, we are opposed to the expansion of the geopolitical adversary." Those. in Ukraine you do not observe the expansion of the geopolitical adversary? Or is it not necessary to counteract this expansion there? OK.
              3. "Do you propose bombing in Ukraine?"
              It's too late. A full-fledged military operation was needed in 2014. By the way, the president, who was overthrown by a coup, was legally elected. There were many opportunities. Now they are gone.
              4. "And in Syria we are acting in accordance with international law, the most important task and thank the authorities"
              What is its importance? Another 2-3 years to extend Assad's nominal power? Profit in what specifically, explain? How do you imagine a victory?
              5. "And what is the name of the person who allows such actions?"
              Tell me, what is the name of the person who, instead of giving a concrete answer to the question, begins to talk about "the most important tasks in accordance with international law, for which the authorities must be thanked"?
              6. "3.) Do not fool around, do you propose to bomb, or is there a desire to steer the migration service? She and the special services work as they can. The guarantor said that they are doing well."
              Fooling you, sorry, you, attributing to me what I did not say. Not very clean polemic, by the way hi I do not propose to bomb anyone, but a strict visa regime with certain republics is necessary. Although if the Guarantor (necessarily with a capital letter) said, then everything is in order, what matters.
              For information, the FMS was abolished on 05.04.2016/XNUMX/XNUMX by the decree of the same guarantor.
              7. "4.) If the collapse of Syria is a foregone conclusion, then we will no longer be in the Donbass and Transnistria, dear."
              The collapse of Syria has already occurred, at least 3 parts. And I’m not really sure that Assad really controls his part (for example, the territories where tribal militias or Hezbollah rule).
              8. "5.) Will it be easier for you if the war breaks out on the territory of Russia? The country is not ready for such a war, I can explain why. Maybe you have a cunning plan?"

              According to cunning plans, we have another responsible person, right? The war is already blazing for the fourth year right on the border of Russia with thousands of those killed (among whom were my friends). In the North Caucasus, the war did not stop - it subsided, of course, went into guerrilla warfare, but it could blaze so that 1999 or 1995 seem like flowers.
              It is a pity that you do not notice this or think that the “Syrian victories” will somehow prevent the Ukrainian artillery from shooting Donetsk or any comrades from the “unnamed state” to blow up the metro in St. Petersburg. It is a pity that you ignore the fact that our country is not able to pull two major conflicts at the same time (to the question, where does Ukraine have to do with it).

              R.S. in principle, I understood your point of view, further exchange of barbs, I think, will be pointless. Unfortunately, I have not heard concrete answers.
              1. V. Salama
                V. Salama 14 February 2018 19: 35
                0
                Quote: Ryazanets87

                ..... I can’t understand. Somehow you need to think in a special way ...
                .
                R.S. in principle, I understood your point of view, further exchange of barbs, I think, will be pointless. Unfortunately, I have not heard concrete answers.

                I asked you one question there, simple and specific. Having received the answer, I would try to readjust and, perhaps in this case, you could hear specific answers to specific questions. But this turned out to be unnecessary, since you already understood my point of view without it.
              2. V. Salama
                V. Salama 15 February 2018 22: 30
                0
                PS For some time I moved from a smartphone to a computer and immediately saw a missed post to my liking, at the same time looked at our correspondence with you - "logistics" caught my eye:
                Quote: Ryazanets87
                1. "What does logistics have to do with it?"
                Take an interest in the logistics of supplying the Syrian group, how it is carried out, how much it costs and what risks it has. Then you can talk about opposing the expansion of someone else's ......

                I didn’t understand why I should be interested in logistics and assess risks, everything is clear to me in principle, although no one will tell you the quantitative expression of risk (a combination of the probability of an adverse event and the magnitude of the possible damage), even you yourself. But, perhaps this was one of your specific questions? And it looks like a couple more people. So, I will discuss this topic:
                War is money. But you won’t earn on the defense of the Fatherland. Although, there are always exceptions - "when everyone is feeling bad, there will always be someone who is good for it." But more on that later. In the Ministry of Emergencies, it is believed that the costs of preventing an emergency are an order of magnitude lower than the cost of eliminating it. In the scientific base of the Ministry of Emergencies (one of the myths of the Ministry of Emergencies that it has a scientific base), the war has for some time been considered as a military emergency. But, I think it seems obvious that if, after incurring certain costs (and war is always a lot of money) the war cannot be prevented at distant approaches, then a war on one’s own territory will lead to costs not an order of magnitude, but an order of magnitude more (strikes on infrastructure, production; loss of population; evacuation; costs of countering the enemy, eliminating the consequences, restoring the life support system and environmental damage). What can we say about the risks - they are not comparable at all. Here, by the way, there is another curious risk. We now have capitalism, as I understand it, but for some reason everyone thinks that if war, then everything will work immediately, albeit not immediately, but like a clock - like in the Second World War. Dear, you did not know, but you forgot that there are (or rather, there were) specific factors such as the "advantages of the socialist system", which now unfortunately do not exist. I will not engage in educational program, I will explain on the example of France, which, having a strong armed forces at that time, fell so quickly before the onslaught of Germany. One of the significant reasons for this: - war is money and big, when the question arose who will pay for it, it seemed easier for the French bourgeois, having money in foreign banks, to blame it on the cordon themselves. And so it all ended so quickly. And in what values ​​do you assess the risks of lack of patriotism among our oligarchs? Will we fight on the budget? By the way, I still do not understand why you are aggravated by "how much does it cost"? I must explain something to you: if you keep money in a bank (keep it on a card) then this is not your money - this is bank money. For example, if a bank goes bankrupt and you manage to secure your savings on time, they will be legally taken from you through a court. By analogy, budget money is no longer folk money (folk money is the one that the granny has in her wallet), it is the money of those who distribute the budget, and there are such shoals that the costs of Syria are flowers. The people, of course, have a hypothetical right to ask where and why this money is spent so much. Have you ever been interested in this? That's where there would be a reason to aggravate and ask for outrage. According to the representative of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, the costs of the operation in Syria are planned within the budget line of the Defense Ministry "For combat training ...". You can not believe him and assume that the costs are higher than planned, but without our funding this presence will not remain there - our oligarchs pump money into this operation, which they can afford to buy people, having their own interest there. 900 with weapons and run at random or for slaughter, they do not care, there is nowhere to put the money. I’m not particularly interested, and my memory may fail: in 2012, Gazprom had a net profit of 580 lard, I don’t remember which currency. Net profit is not calculated profit, not balanced, but one that remains after payment of all deductions, salaries and depreciation (or correct me who the accountant is).
        2. Svetlana
          Svetlana 14 February 2018 13: 48
          +2
          Quote: V. Salama
          Syria is the last outpost we haven’t ... in this region. If we miss, we’ll have to fight on our territory with the same enemy, but the costs will be orders of magnitude greater. This is a war to protect the Fatherland.

          Dear V. Salam! The people understand everything perfectly. But if what you are talking about would be so. Syria had to be protected a long time ago, when the war had not yet begun. But it feels like we are not protecting Syria at all and not providing our own interests and the security of our country. And the interests of the oligarchs. Now it is becoming increasingly clear. It’s as clear as with Ukraine.
          1. V. Salama
            V. Salama 14 February 2018 18: 52
            0
            Quote: Svetlana

            1) The people understand everything perfectly.
            2) Syria had to be protected a long time ago, when the war had not yet begun.
            3) But it feels like we are not protecting Syria at all and not providing our own interests and the security of our country. And the interests of the oligarchs.
            4) Now it is becoming more clearly understood. It is as clear as with Ukraine.

            1) we will be honest with ourselves, not all people understand, but only that part of it that is politically active and is trying to figure it out. But really understands only part of this part, on behalf of which you speak. To other opponents, Syria is not important. And therein lies the problem: "Without a community of interests there can be no unity of purpose." And without a common goal, for which all the forces of society are mobilized, an effective solution to the problems and the required result are not supposed. All these are consequences of the lack of state ideology that we lost with the collapse of the USSR. In principle, this should lead to the countdown of what “we had to protect for a long time”, and not from pre-war Syria.
            2) Yes, we needed to protect starting from Yugoslavia, Iraq and Libya ...
            3) The world is given to us in sensations, therefore, we will always have such a feeling now, since such a state was built in our country. The definition of the state in one of the modern textbooks: "The state is an instrument for protecting the interests of the whole people and, first of all, their elite"; "The elite is the most active part of society on which political decision-making depends", if translated into an understandable language, this is a comprador offshore financial oligarchy. That is, in our conditions, when the society will act to protect national interests (of course, a state decision is supposed) oligarchs will always strive to get their gesheft under this business, up to the full priority of their interest.
            4) We are now in the position of a frog that has fallen to the bottom of a deep jug of milk. And as I understand it, you are interested in the problem - is there any point in moving her paws. My opinion is that we have no other choice, but the strategy must be correct.
      3. Victor N
        Victor N 13 February 2018 19: 14
        +5
        I can answer. You are not? If not, how did you get to VO? Mom attached to the "officers" for a long ruble?
    2. 97110
      97110 13 February 2018 19: 09
      +10
      Quote: Bulrumeb
      make fools.

      Do you think you haven't done it yet? The figures for the distribution of national wealth among citizens of the Russian Federation (including not only with citizenship of the Russian Federation) are not secret. To lay down the lives of their children and grandchildren for whose sweet life they have to, so as not to be a fool? And how to do it if the numbers are KNOWN!
  8. free
    free 13 February 2018 16: 30
    +20
    Upstairs, they know very well that they want to mold our children, moreover, they don’t even hide it, I’ve heard everyone say effective phrases about consumers! That’s why they kill education and forbid parents to raise their children not only at school (juvenile justice).
    1. Petr1968
      Petr1968 13 February 2018 17: 04
      +4
      Quote: free
      That is why they kill education and prohibit raising their children not only at school but also at their parents (juvenile justice).

      You do not have kids? Did I understand correctly that if there is one, then you are forbidden to educate them? Excuse me, but are you a fat Troll or have you just glanced at it?
      So for a second, 86% very much approve of the country's power and course. And he will prove in the election of 2018 that you are a balabol.
      1. Karabin
        Karabin 13 February 2018 19: 12
        +15
        Quote: Petr1968
        So for a second, 86% very much approve of power

        If VTsIOM had existed from the beginning of the twentieth century, then until 1917, 86% would have approved the power of the tsar, from February to October 17 the power of the Provisional Government, and from October 17 to 91 g Soviet power.
        1. Petr1968
          Petr1968 14 February 2018 11: 07
          +3
          Quote: Karabin
          If VTsIOM had existed from the beginning of the twentieth century, then until 1917, 86% would have approved the power of the tsar, from February to October 17 the power of the Provisional Government, and from October 17 to 91 g Soviet power.

          All right! What conclusion? Putin's Emperors of All Russia! For life with the transfer of power by inheritance !!
      2. free
        free 13 February 2018 19: 50
        +5
        Quote: Petr1968
        Quote: free
        That is why they kill education and prohibit raising their children not only at school but also at their parents (juvenile justice).

        You do not have kids? Did I understand correctly that if there is one, then you are forbidden to educate them? Excuse me, but are you a fat Troll or have you just glanced at it?
        So for a second, 86% very much approve of the country's power and course. And he will prove in the election of 2018 that you are a balabol.

        Balabol is you, what 86% of the clown are you funny, do you know anything about juvenile justice, but about education? Tell us how much you sold your conscience?
  9. Boris55
    Boris55 13 February 2018 16: 40
    +2
    Quote: A. Staver
    So, Russia today lives as Putin wants. More precisely, as President Putin will say.

    Are you saying that Putin has not written a law? belay Can you give a couple of examples when he violated it?
    Quote: A. Staver
    The rest, even at the highest level, are nothing more than “martinets” who beautifully “click their heels” and say “eat”.

    We all live by the laws that the Duma elected by all of us has adopted. The constitutional majority in which the bourgeois party belongs is United Russia, and the party’s chairman is Medvedev.
    Now guess who the owner of the house is: Medvedev, who writes laws or Putin, who obeys them?
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 13 February 2018 17: 59
      +19
      Quote: Boris55
      Now guess who the owner of the house is: Medvedev, who writes laws or Putin, who obeys them?

      How to intelligently call Putin a jerk? Learn from half-past five Boris.
      Putin, by his own admission, created United Russia. Founding father, person with unquestioned authority? No, says Boris. Glavnyuk there is Medved. Scary heavyweight politician. And this Bear stamps anti-people laws. And so Putin ran past, and put the right of the presidential veto deep into his body in the most unnatural way.
      Putin appoints Medvedev as prime minister. But according to Boris, Putin is enforcing laws written by Medvedev.
      After reading, two questions are logical. Either Putin is nobody, or Boris is inadequate. Although there is a third option. Boris is trying so hard to ward off his beloved GDP that he is forced to write complete nonsense.
      1. Romey
        Romey 13 February 2018 20: 09
        +11
        Quote: Karabin
        Quote: Boris55
        Now guess who the owner of the house is: Medvedev, who writes laws or Putin, who obeys them?


        After reading, two questions are logical. Either Putin is nobody, or Boris is inadequate. Although there is a third option. Boris is trying so hard to ward off his beloved GDP that he is forced to write complete nonsense.

        Colleague! They have a crisis of the genre. Here, cedar, with a blue eye, revealed the secret of Polycinel that the CBR is a branch of the Fed, and therefore it will collapse if we choose Grudinin, because they will not give him money. And then the enchanting signature: "Sovereignty. Russia. Putin." By golly! Laughing for ten minutes ...
        1. Monster_Fat
          Monster_Fat 14 February 2018 05: 36
          +3
          I confirm, “it was like that”, just in response to my comment that Russia is not a sovereign state.
    2. V. Salama
      V. Salama 13 February 2018 23: 19
      +7
      Quote: Boris55

      Are you saying that Putin has not written a law? belay Can you give a couple of examples when he violated it?
      In 2009, a reform of the wages of state employees was carried out, which in violation of the principles of the Constitution worsened the situation of workers, and managers were given the opportunity of unlimited material pressure on staff and the possibility of legalized personal enrichment. That is, the bribe by the authorities of a certain social group was carried out. And this is a corrupt act - bribing the power of directors by political power. The guarantor did not guarantee anything, moreover, he believes that in fact (some say that there is a statement, but I personally have not heard) that everyone can not be equal before the law. Well, in fact, there are plenty of such examples, the guarantor here also does not guarantee, but what does he violate by this?
  10. Gardamir
    Gardamir 13 February 2018 16: 42
    +19
    He, if he understands the current situation, will make a revolution from above,
    and if you don’t understand? Or doesn’t want to change?
    And yet, pathos is great, but still, what is Russia doing in Syria? Looking for new oil fields so that Sechin lives well or Miller.? No need to put pressure on patriotism if the country has a basic ideology, money at all costs.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 13 February 2018 17: 15
      +5
      Quote: Gardamir
      and if you don’t understand? Or doesn’t want to change?

      If I didn’t want to, I would not have planted “my friends”.
      Quote: Gardamir
      but still, what is Russia doing in Syria?

      And you still do not know?
      Quote: Gardamir
      Looking for new oil fields so that Sechin lives well or Miller.?

      How many percent of oil and gas are included in our budget?
      Quote: Gardamir
      No need to put pressure on patriotism if the country has a basic ideology, money at all costs.

      For the whole country it is not necessary so categorically.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 13 February 2018 17: 21
        +11
        And you still do not know?
        decided to take the place of Golovan?
        1. Victor N
          Victor N 13 February 2018 19: 21
          +6
          Yes, you write off Golovan early, the field will not remain behind you.
        2. ivagulin
          ivagulin 13 February 2018 19: 36
          +1
          and Che Golovan was blown away
        3. Boris55
          Boris55 13 February 2018 21: 06
          +4
          Quote: Gardamir
          decided to take the place of Golovan?

          Golovan says hello. After exiting the ban, be sure to meet him.
      2. You Vlad
        You Vlad 13 February 2018 18: 45
        +2
        Quote: Boris55
        And you still do not know?

        Yes, he’s not in the know, and not when he won’t know, on his own wave a man hi
      3. Ryazan87
        Ryazan87 13 February 2018 18: 51
        +11
        "If I didn’t want to, I wouldn’t plant my" friends. "
        - whom is this from the "friends" planted? Belykh and Ulyukaev or what?
        "And you still do not know?"
        I also do not know. Share knowledge if it’s not difficult.
        "How many percent of oil and gas are included in our budget?"
        - According to the Minister of Finance of the Russian Federation Anton Siluanov on the TV channel “Russia 1”, the share of oil and gas revenues in the budget of the Russian Federation by 2020 will drop to 33%. “If a couple of years ago the share of oil and gas revenues in the budget was prevailing - about 60%, then next year this figure is already 37%, and by 2020 we expect this indicator to decrease to one third, 33% of all revenues.” Those. not less than a third in any case (in fact, more than half). AND?
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 13 February 2018 21: 08
          +1
          Quote: Ryazanets87
          Those. not less than a third in any case (in fact, more than half). AND?

          AND? “And the more oil we control, the steeper our budget!”
          1. Ryazan87
            Ryazan87 16 February 2018 11: 14
            +1
            And how much oil do we control in Syria? The budget "twisted" in what quantities thanks to the Syrian operation?
            The other day we tried to put a significant deposit under control. In the course, probably how it ended.
    2. ALEA IACTA EST
      ALEA IACTA EST 13 February 2018 19: 46
      +6
      Russia in Syria upholds the only true ideology - its national interests.
      1. sds87
        sds87 13 February 2018 21: 58
        +7
        Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
        Russia in Syria upholds the only true ideology - its national interests.

        But do border countries not care about Russia? And what "own national interests" does the Russian Federation have in distant Syria? How tired of all these abstract answers to the usual question: what is the benefit of Russia from participating in the war in Syria?
      2. Galaktionych
        Galaktionych 13 February 2018 22: 43
        +6
        Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
        Russia in Syria upholds the only true ideology - its national interests.

        Of course, because in the Donbass we do not have our own national interests.
  11. parusnik
    parusnik 13 February 2018 16: 44
    +13
    Could we repeat the path of the Russian empire a century ago? Or the way of Ukraine?
    ... The path of the Russian empire will not be repeated, the empire signed a sentence in 1861 abolishing serfdom, do the elite earlier, perhaps the consequences were not so catastrophic .... But Ukraine looms on the horizon ... There was no change in the social formation , one malnourished elite, has changed the snickering elite and is now catching up .. Remember, at the dawn, sunset of perestroika, those who are now in power and those who declared: everyone is equal before the law! Down with the telephone right! ... Well ... some are more equal than others who have money, connections for that and the law .. People simply do not believe in justice .. Moreover, they constantly face this .. at work, in public life .. You can cry to the president a couple of times a year if you are lucky ...
    1. Lebedev
      Lebedev 13 February 2018 17: 15
      +10
      Unfortunately, this is so ... And you can understand the desire for a youth revolution. There are no development prospects in the country.
      1. free
        free 13 February 2018 19: 54
        +9
        Quote: Lebedev
        Unfortunately, this is so ... And you can understand the desire for a youth revolution. There are no development prospects in the country.

        The country has no prospects in this situation as it is now.
  12. Radikal
    Radikal 13 February 2018 17: 11
    0
    Quote: Moore
    As for the fact that we could not replace our grandfathers and grandmothers, that education and upbringing in our time are two different things, I absolutely agree.
    What is left for us? Living the way we lived is still impossible. Delay reforms too. Young tigers are already grown and ready for battle.

    The fight is given for some purpose. The goal involves achieving a result in the long term - distant or not. Under the shadow of what slogans is this achievement seen? The ideology of Russian people is the highest justice. For the sake of justice, you can fight. But this ideology categorically does not correspond with the ideology of the now-living "elite".
    No matter how blasphemous it sounds, it will unite the "elite" and the people can now only face the terrible test called "war" - our opponents quite intelligibly explained that it was not planned to capture even the liberal oligarchs.

    yes
  13. tracer
    tracer 13 February 2018 17: 13
    +11
    I, too, became filthy from communicating with young people. It’s frustrated by the understanding that in the long run any sweating with the enemy, whether military or economic, will not be lost by us ... They ... The atomization is terrible, nigelism goes off scale .. These will go to everyone and will fall under anyone. For money or just hype. Look what they do in YouTube .... sickening ... Our site is only a few hundred, maybe a couple of thousand people are not indifferent to the future of their homeland. And alas, the older generation. There is practically no mold here. That means shaking the air with correct and generally good and necessary words. There is little sense from us. So, we create for ourselves an artificial atmosphere of patriotism in which we are comfortable. Then we come here. Sad ..
    1. AUL
      AUL 13 February 2018 18: 39
      +6
      I think here you went a little too far. I agree that few people will give their lives for the yachts and villas of the oligarchs, but the concept of homeland includes not only them. No need to equalize all young people on YouTube views. We also have normal youth. Not all, but a lot!
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    3. telobezumnoe
      telobezumnoe 14 February 2018 01: 08
      +3
      What do you think, who instilled such values ​​in youth? I see how the media probably, contrary to the will of the GdP, create selfish consumers instead of education, but of course there is nothing to do with it, or just today couriers were promoted who, apart from rinsing their brains, can do nothing, but they motivate and learn how to do it, and in life didn’t create anything
      1. woron333444
        woron333444 17 February 2018 10: 32
        +1
        First of all, you need to bring up in the family.
  14. Antivirus2k
    Antivirus2k 13 February 2018 17: 15
    +15
    It is quite difficult to “educate” young people in unequal Russia, where some live, while others barely make ends meet. With all this, everyone understands that the children of those who live will never fight at the front for the interests of Russia, they do not even serve in the army. This is not the time of the USSR, when the sons of Stalin and other leaders fought along with the rest. Modern youth is not, they see it all and understand it all. There is no such patriotism among the people when patriotism is not at the top. That's all. Personally, I also would not go to war "for Abramovich’s yachts." Excuse me. At the same time, I consider myself a patriot, because I love my country, its history and Russian people (no matter what nationality they are, for me “Russian” is more). But I hate this power.
    1. Petr1968
      Petr1968 13 February 2018 17: 42
      +3
      Quote: Antivirus2k
      It is quite difficult to “educate” young people in unequal Russia, where some live, while others barely make ends meet.

      What???? And how does the rest of the world manage to do this ???

      Quote: Antivirus2k
      With all this, everyone understands that the children of those who live will never fight at the front for the interests of Russia, they even do not serve in the army

      And many of these "interests" fall for you?)) And I won’t go for these "interests" and I won’t let the children go. It is let the cheers patriots protect the oil fields in the Deir-ez-Zor region, and say that they are saving the homeland, and thinking youth is not being led to this nonsense.
  15. Radikal
    Radikal 13 February 2018 17: 26
    +11
    Quote: domokl
    Hard, but true in principle. "But why, in order to be stronger, we need a war ..." So it seemed there was a song. Only now this elite of the country will dump at the first danger.

    She will not dump anywhere - she (speaking in her own language) “loots her” in her, she simply will surrender her, as she surrendered in '91, and the people again will not immediately understand what is really happening! sad
  16. Hurricane70
    Hurricane70 13 February 2018 17: 28
    +9
    Quote: Less
    So who should we "sculpt"? Who should bring up kindergartens, schools, colleges, universities?
    No need to blame everything on school. School can educate in primary school. Then the youth begins to look around and absorb everything like a “sponge”. And the result is what the author wrote about. Because on the air (including on the Internet) it is not necessary to dump scandals about how everything is bad, but to give out positive examples. And then everywhere there is one continuous negative. That's when the pilot died, everyone sympathizes and worries, and at the same time, many begin to pour mud over their own country under the stress. True or false is still unknown about the Wagnerites, but it is already beginning - they are not telling us anything, so it is, 100500 of the dead. You know about the Olympians with what words they said here. What for? On what examples to educate young people, if there is always a mass of people who will turn any event on the wrong side, and even pour mud on everyone. You yourself say that young people take Old from the network. Here comes the youth representative and what will he see? What is dirt alone? Where will the respect for heroism and love for the motherland come from? Television with stupid talk shows there too. After all, the media is a great tool for proper education. They just don’t know how to use it.

    But you have to blame everything on the school too !!! Under the Union, the school performed two functions — educational and educational! Now there is no talk about the educational function at all. Look even at the quality of young teachers ... These are not the same teachers ... Some still need to be educated!
    And so, unfortunately, in everything, not only in education ...
    1. woron333444
      woron333444 17 February 2018 10: 30
      +1
      When I was arranging my daughter in first grade in 1984, they told me to wait until the teacher, Galinca Marinchenko, would recruit. I asked - what's the difference? They said that she does not hit children. This is in 1984. All three unlearned her. One was released - the second went to her. Cool teacher.
  17. would
    would 13 February 2018 17: 31
    +5
    Well, it’s worth starting with the fact that the author’s sample was clearly, to put it mildly, small, including in terms of age spread, 30 plus or minus 5 years. That is, the oldest was already 35 (this is young people ?!) the youngest was 25, even at this age we have a fully-fledged person who easily managed to finish and work in many universities.

    That is, the sample is initially irrelevant as they say.

    The first thing that shocked me was the attitude of a certain part of the interlocutors to the death of Roman Filipov. Why did a Russian guy die in Syria? Why are our boys and girls there at all? The hero can only be the one who defends his own country ...

    And this at a time when the media competed in covering the feat of the Russian pilot. When in most cities of Russia people carried flowers to monuments, to the Ministry of Defense, to the school where the hero was studying. Strange, yes?


    In general, no shock and nothing strange. The population by its nature is heterogeneous, in terms of education, intelligence, knowledge in specific areas and of course political views. As a result, even in the post-war USSR there were ideological young neo-Nazis. There were few of them to say the least, but they were.

    So where can the shock come from in a country where some are right now for the Kiev junta and against the annexation of Crimea, and the second are against, in a country where some are behind Putin, and the second are behind Navalny and are almost ready to kill each other?

    Well, everything else as it often happens with Staver is about nothing, a lot of words, but there is no essence.
  18. wachmann
    wachmann 13 February 2018 17: 33
    +10
    [quote] [/ quote] I, as a representative of the Soviet Union ... I, who did not defend this very Union,
    how interesting you would have defended it when the grave diggers were nowhere higher and any dissatisfaction was regarded as treason to the Motherland, ordinary people said no in the referendum, only the one who shot the labeled in the Red Square could do more;)
  19. Kokarev Mikhail
    Kokarev Mikhail 13 February 2018 17: 34
    +9
    Everything is complicated and simple. Everything bad in Russia for centuries has been a consequence of deception. The First World War, the revolution, the collapse of the USSR, and even in small matters. We all strive for the best, but along the way we begin to believe, not evaluate. Thus, we make the worst out of the best. Any generation must be taught not to be deceived, to be distrustful, to check and evaluate everything. And most importantly, do not be inactive and passive. We swim in a bad way, there are no oars - row your hands. Someone is screaming to boycott the elections, and this is inaction, then the enemy is screaming. One must be able to choose the best of two evils, otherwise sit in a pit. There is always a choice, but the course of the country will not change? Yes you are blind. I visit Russia once a year, and each time it is a different country. Russia is changing faster than they can imagine worldwide. It’s a pity that only recently the influence of the paranoia of the late 80s is more visible, do not overlook the second Gorbach.
    1. You Vlad
      You Vlad 13 February 2018 21: 07
      +5
      Thank you for your wise, kind words! hi
    2. Adequate
      Adequate 13 February 2018 23: 12
      +4
      WELL DONE! Kokarev Mikhail my respect to you!
    3. dSK
      dSK 13 February 2018 23: 54
      +5
      Quote: Kokarev Mikhail
      I visit Russia once a year, and each time it is a different country. Russia is changing faster than they can imagine worldwide. It's a pity only recently the influence of paranoia the end of the 80s is more visible, do not overlook second humpback.

      Yes matchmaking us reinforced NEOcommunist Grudinin with THINKING. bully
  20. alavrin
    alavrin 13 February 2018 17: 40
    +1
    A total war, with millions of armies like the First or Second, will no longer be. So the issue of subpoenas is incorrect. The world elite has been created, mineral resources have been divided, and ideological wars have been replaced by hybrid and trade wars.
  21. Prutkov
    Prutkov 13 February 2018 17: 51
    +6
    [quote = Guardamir] [quote] And yet, pathos is great, but still, what is Russia doing in Syria? [/ quote] Closes the southern direction. Now, not only from the Black Sea, but also from the eastern part of the Mediterranean Sea, you can’t shoot especially tomahawks in the direction of Russia. A plus. And you are right about that. It provides itself more or less comfortable conditions in the European oil and gas market, which, in addition to the salary of Sechin and Miller, fills the country's budget.
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 13 February 2018 19: 36
      +9
      Quote: Rods
      Now, not only from the Black Sea, but also from the eastern part of the Mediterranean Sea, you can’t shoot especially tomahawks in the direction of Russia.

      And from Kharkov or Dnepropetrovsk? Interesting logic. They threw the Ukrainian direction in the year 14, having a number of trump cards in their hands, and moved to cover the border from the tamahawks at distant approaches.
      1. Prutkov
        Prutkov 14 February 2018 13: 37
        +3
        You are right, this operational direction is open. But not for the reason that you indicated. And they left him not in '14, but much earlier. To place the tomahawks near Kharkov, Ukraine needs to join NATO. But! The geographical position of Ukraine is such that it is surrounded on three sides by the Russian border. A kind of "fire bag" for the enemy, who will deploy its bases in Ukraine. For NATO, it is more convenient for Ukraine to have "non-aligned" status. Then they will be able to use the Ukrainian airspace to fly their missiles and aircraft. The only territory that was of interest to NATO was the Crimea, which controls the southern direction. But we must understand that Russia could not send its troops to Kiev. She will not pull the content of Ukraine. NATO cannot keep such a country for long. In general, the situation is stalemate. But given the fact that the Crimea is Russian, Russia has a slightly better position.
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    2. dSK
      dSK 14 February 2018 00: 24
      +3
      Quote: Stroporez
      At the funeral wassat

      "So in whatever you want, so that people act with youso do and you with them for this is the law and the prophets. " (Matthew 7:12)
      "I tell you, for every idle word that people say, they will give an answer on the day of judgment: for from his words come true, and from his words condemn." (Matthew 12: 36-37)
    3. Adequate
      Adequate 14 February 2018 13: 09
      +1
      on your sling cutter
  23. Lexus
    Lexus 13 February 2018 18: 28
    +8
    The trouble is that by fooling power deprives youth of a worthy future. Only non-alternative slavery "for growth".
  24. Dashing
    Dashing 13 February 2018 18: 51
    +15
    Extremely important article. Allow me to express my opinion on this subject - personal, not generalizing in any way, because many people think differently. We, a generation born in the 60s of the last century, failed to defend our homeland - the Soviet Union. They dropped the "baton" passed to us by previous generations of workers and heroes. My father took Berlin, and in 1990 I welcomed the drunken Yeltsin's coming to power. Shame and contempt for oneself over the years become only greater. Everything that was believed and was bright, now - the subject of ridicule and bullying. To be truthful and to work honestly means to be a sucker. Neither knowledge nor professionalism is needed - the main thing is to break the dough and to slip away somewhere. And the first example is those in power, all these Serdyukovs, Vasilievs, Shuvalovs, Yurevichs and others like them, “dear friends”. Thieves sit in the Duma and rule concepts in laws, cover the cops, oligarchs live, and my children, engineers, found it difficult to find a job. Yes, in Chelyabinsk, the "mainland of the state," as the poet once said, it is difficult for an engineer to find a job with decent content. Industrial giants are in ruins, but security guards, resellers, managers and PR managers - marketers are massively required. This is understandable, there is no production, marketing comes first - the art of embracing the consumer ... and PR - the art of beautifully embracing the consumer. It’s difficult, you know, to start a family, to grow in prosperity, when three or four large enterprises are working properly in a million-plus city, the rest are in a fever, salary defaults, layoffs. How to plan the future here. How to grow when the "social elevator" is provided only to representatives of the "party of power". It seems that if you are not a member of EP, then you are a second-class person. In all representative and legislative bodies, executive bodies, the overwhelming majority are United Russia. Are we divided into "clean" and "unclean"? Christ would be unhappy. Therefore, young people really have a lot of questions. We, retirees still die, because for this power we are superfluous. We only interfere with the “effective management” of knowledge, the remnants of Soviet upbringing and a flurry of pride - it’s difficult to give in to PR, we do not believe in spells about the earthly god and his United Russia gods, what if they are not, then who? ... But young people live in this irremovable system. And I won’t be surprised if it ever explodes. And the article is good, timely.
    1. vindigo
      vindigo 13 February 2018 21: 57
      +6
      I agree with you. On vacancies, one sold, security guards and drivers.
    2. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 14 February 2018 00: 28
      +3
      Quote: DARK
      Dashing

      Dashing! to you, Comrade, respect and respect +100500 Hammer !!!
      They do not have rights to Our Victory!

      I dedicate it to our normal colleague, Volodka, the landing party does not give up, you know the fire, "Here you are for the Boys"
    3. dSK
      dSK 14 February 2018 00: 40
      +2
      Quote: DARK
      Christ would be unhappy.
      will ever explode
      Jesus Christ never called for revolution. All his "Good News" is a call for the honest fulfillment of the "official" duties of the "leaders" of that time: "Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, who are likened to colored tombs that seem beautiful on the outside, and inside are full of dead bones and all impurities; so are you in appearance you seem to be righteous people, and inside executed hypocrisy and lawlessness. " (Matthew 23: 27-28)
      1. Dashing
        Dashing 14 February 2018 14: 40
        0
        dsk, you are inattentive in reading the comment. The paragraph goes along the EP, where the society is divided into its own - EP members and strangers - the rest is understood as one. And Christ said: ... do not divide people into clean and unclean ... etc.
        I did not write about Christ's calls for revolution. But someday it will explode.
  25. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 13 February 2018 19: 23
    +2
    Changes are needed, but the changes are correct, not according to the patterns of Navalny’s witnesses, skinhead oligophrenics and sniffed leftists. Seven times measure cut once.
    1. Romey
      Romey 13 February 2018 20: 15
      +8
      How much more time do you need? Another 18 years? For me, it seems, like in abundance ...
      1. ALEA IACTA EST
        ALEA IACTA EST 13 February 2018 20: 46
        +5
        At least a century. The main thing is not to make it worse.
        1. would
          would 14 February 2018 10: 03
          +2
          It’s been doing worse for 10 years now, and you just woke up.
  26. afrikanez
    afrikanez 13 February 2018 19: 23
    +2
    Ideals have changed, there were oligarchs with yachts, bosses on "cool cars" and a worker with a string bag. Everyone prefers to think about themselves and not about the country as a whole! Moreover, the worker is much more difficult to think about the country, understanding. that it is always "surrounded" by all kinds of non-conscious elements. And in the country of workers there are much more than not "conscious" workers. So we get what all kinds of reformers wanted. am
  27. Antichubays 777
    Antichubays 777 13 February 2018 19: 27
    +4
    Why do you need to change something after the election ?? And not during the election ??
  28. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 13 February 2018 19: 39
    +3
    Our city and regional authorities took an unprecedented step! The final elections on the arrangement of the urban environment were timed to coincide with the presidential elections in order to increase the visual appearance at the elections! What I repeatedly wrote and what to think is whether it is worth going to the polls! He is afraid of the power of low visual turnout, because there will be nothing to prove, there is no video evidence of high turnout.
    1. dSK
      dSK 14 February 2018 00: 50
      +3
      Quote: andrej-shironov
      timed the final elections for the arrangement of the urban environment

      Good idea! You demand more referenda Why carry it out separately, when you can add an additional sheet to the newsletter and find out the opinion of the entire population of the region on various vital issues. hi
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 14 February 2018 08: 42
        0
        wink I would also be for saving entih resources! But in this case, the preliminary vote was before the new year. Why pull so long? That is, a city with beautification will wait until the election? Uh no! The people are so direct and write in the local segment of the Internet.
        1. dSK
          dSK 14 February 2018 12: 32
          +2
          Quote: andrej-shironov
          That is, a city with beautification will wait until the election?
          What beautification in winter? These works are carried out at positive temperature. hi
          1. andrej-shironov
            andrej-shironov 14 February 2018 13: 14
            0
            smile What are you talking about! Here are the bosses like you with us and they rule everywhere! I’ll tell you as a manager for the second higher education: first you need to determine the places of improvement, then draw up an estimate and find financial resources for it and conclude an agreement with contractors, etc. And it was necessary to do this before the new year !!! Because if all this is done after the election, it will be as always, FIG and not repair and asphalt in the snow! hi
  29. Sma11
    Sma11 13 February 2018 20: 34
    +2
    Quote: Adequate
    At least it's PRS-1М (53Т6М)

    Not understood. Who are you talking to?
  30. Antonio_Mariarti
    Antonio_Mariarti 13 February 2018 20: 58
    +6
    Different youth, I, as its representative (20 years), understand that the differences are very serious, as if some clans are inside us. Some support Putin and fiercely defend him, others criticize him, others according to ... and only want to get out of the country, others according to, they just live. It is difficult to say that young people are divided, but if we talk about the masses, the majority still do not support the current government’s policies within the country. On the one hand, we are told what a rich and powerful country, on the other hand, they see the horrors of cities and people. And they don’t agree, how so ...
    1. SPACE
      SPACE 13 February 2018 21: 33
      +5
      Quote: Antonio_Mariarti
      On the one hand, we are told what a rich and powerful country, on the other hand, they see the horrors of cities and people. And they don’t agree, how so ...

      It is not enough to have ears and eyes, one must still have a head.
  31. Pax tecum
    Pax tecum 13 February 2018 20: 59
    +5
    Quote: you Vlad
    Quote: Stas157
    ... In reality, the poorest will go to war mainly.

    Everyone thinks to the best of his depravity, you Stas is no exception!
    Quote: Stas157
    Take any country. Syria, Ukraine, Donbass ... Half of the civilian population immediately flows abroad.

    These любые as you said, countries are all sick of the same civil war!
    Quote: Stas157
    . If tomorrow is a war and they bring you a summons, will you go to war? Out of a dozen young people, one thought. The rest just said yes.

    Do you think it will be different in Russia?

    I think yes, it will be different, we will not have a civil war! Although many of all forces are trying (working) on ​​this.

    Have you forgotten the story? In Russia (1917-1922) it was just like in any state having a civil war. A lot of people fled abroad. Where no one was waiting for them ...
    Miraculously, at the beginning of the 1990, they escaped the civil war through the fault of Muscovites, although there was a lot of blood shed. For that they got wars on the periphery. And again, the people began to leave the country.
    And, the intervention, worked out in its time in Russia, is now a mandatory supplement to the civil war.
    1. woron333444
      woron333444 17 February 2018 10: 20
      0
      Pax tecum
      Miraculously, in the early 1990s, they escaped the civil war through the fault of Muscovites, although there was a lot of blood shed. For that they got wars on the periphery.

      Moscow already lived a fat life, but she wanted it even better, and the whole country is dissipating for them.
  32. Strategia
    Strategia 13 February 2018 21: 21
    +2
    Out of a dozen young people, one thought. The rest just said yes.

    And how much will it really go? Thinking - a sincere and naive person. He tried to answer the question primarily for himself, and not for others. Without conformism. It seems that he will definitely come to the draft board, perhaps the very first.
  33. Galina Artamonova
    Galina Artamonova 13 February 2018 21: 22
    +10
    Before solving the problem, you need to consider the source data. Thus, we must first of all understand the real situation in the country. First, what is our state? The concepts of even young people are based on the old ones. It seems to the old people that we still have the same system as under the USSR. The Ministry is an industry-enterprise management. At the head of the Central Committee of the party and the Secretary General, the Secretary General barked down and everything started to go off. And we have a different structure. Enterprises are private, there are no rigid structures. Oligarchs, big business, medium and small business, political parties, officials in ministries, governors, more small managers are a host of different interests, groups - only Putin could tighten the structure between them, only Putin could not tighten the structure. There is a sabotage of officials and their theft. Even when there were kings, there was no complete submission. Elizabeth wanted not to be I recently read - they lied to her that they would not be executed. Catherine took care that in the cities they must first build a hospital, a market, a shelter for the poor and a shelter for children, and only then the town governor’s house - I can’t judge how much was done, I think not. To keep the peasants free, everything was kept in the strictest confidence, and at night the couriers rode carrying an imperial decree so that the landowners and officials could not unite and conspire and oppose. And all the Romanovs passionately wanted to stop the theft and bribery. It seems that different forces are rushing to power now - supporters of the Stalinist hard worker and supporters of Yeltsin’s liberty. It would seem, how can this be combined? Maybe it’s called a fascist dictatorship. And Stalin is here simply as a familiar form. Therefore, revolution is now doom. Putin is moving the country in the right direction, although it may not be as fast as young people would like. Secondly, the community should realize that it is upbringing only in the family! If you don’t instill in your child human qualities, a love of learning, books, that’s nobody won't do. You live in the mud, repair it yourself. Under your own cars, they cleared the snow, only for themselves, but could everyone take a piece nearby, take a video, put it on the Internet, and who gets the money for this? Healthy men (such athletes love to watch expensive) are standing near their typewriters at a chang-org in a petition crying “Oh, we are poor at two jobs, and the boiler room is old, change Christ, please the boiler room, you have to throw a little coal after work,” A little to chip in everyone, new buy a boiler. No, they will write angry letters or whimper like women. One bought the factory from another, the equipment was taken out and there is no factory, people are unemployed on the street. And the locals look at it calmly, and at the meetings they shout Power The plants are destroyed! Yes, not power, but you yourself.
    1. Sma11
      Sma11 13 February 2018 22: 59
      +5
      Quote: Galina Artamonova
      You live in the mud-repair yourself. Under your own cars, they cleared the snow-only for themselves, but could each piece by piece, in the video, put it on the Internet-here, and who gets the money for this? Healthy men (such athletes love to watch expensive) are standing near their typewriters at a chang-org in a petition crying “Oh, we are poor at two jobs, and the boiler room is old, change Christ, please the boiler room, you have to throw a little coal after work,” A little to chip in everyone, new buy a boiler. No, they will write angry letters or whimper like women. One bought the factory from another, the equipment was taken out and there is no factory, people are unemployed on the street. And the locals look at it calmly, and at the meetings they shout Power The plants are destroyed! Yes, not power, but you yourself.

      It was already. Passed by. Recently in the fall, two stories were shown. The huntsman on the cordon 2 km of the road on the swamp he made. And the Ministry of Natural Resources fined him for misuse of agricultural land. The peasants took off and repaired the bridge in the village. And the administration fined them for the lack of coordination (rollback-cut). So we are ready. Yes, the authorities do not agree.
      1. SPACE
        SPACE 13 February 2018 23: 21
        +5
        Quote: Sma11
        It was already. Passed by. Recently in the fall, two stories were shown. The huntsman on the cordon 2 km of the road on the swamp he made. And the Ministry of Natural Resources fined him for misuse of agricultural land.

        We watched about how the ranger smashed two kilometers in the swamp, and you know why they rolled him a fine? He cut down a hectare of forest and drove half the campaign.
        Quote: Sma11
        The peasants took off and repaired the bridge in the village. And the administration fined them for the lack of coordination (rollback-cut). So we are ready. Yes, the authorities do not agree.

        A reference about the bridge and the details can be?
        1. Sma11
          Sma11 14 February 2018 19: 55
          0
          Quote: SPACE
          Do you know why they fined him a fine? He cut down a hectare of forest and drove half the campaign.

          Damn something with eyesight has become. Forest did not see something. (https://pikabu.ru/story/egerya_oshtrafovali_na_2
          5_mln_rubley_za_samovolnoe_stroitelstvo_dorogi_ko
          lei_k_domikam_okhotnikov_5473134). It seems he was not there. Although now according to the law, and deadwood is considered industrial wood.

          And this is about the bridge. (https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/27472/). The error came out. Not fined. Only a letter was handed.
  34. Clueless
    Clueless 13 February 2018 21: 55
    +7
    "Only one thing is clear - young people are waiting for radical changes. Young people are ready to start them." - it’s logical, because when we start to plant for reposts in VK, for publications from history books, all sorts of Misulins and other foolish officials talk about total censorship on the Internet, etc., you must be a complete idiot to maintain the current government :(
    It’s especially pleasing from the latter, even traffic cops can now not detain prosecutors (plus judges, too).
    State siloviki.

    Young people love Russia, but it simply despises the majority of officials and security officials who do not know the measure.
  35. Sling cutter
    Sling cutter 13 February 2018 21: 56
    +6
    You Vlad,
    Quote: you Vlad
    Quote: Sma11
    Gopnik chupa-chups in the yard selected?

    Do not tell, you are so funny wassat

    You’re funnier, man, there’s no one here. You are an adult deserved
    You rub the peasants over Putin, so he won’t be there very soon, who are you going to repaint?
    1. You Vlad
      You Vlad 13 February 2018 23: 05
      +5
      Quote: Stroporez
      You’re funnier, man, there’s no one here.

      Laugh, they say laughter prolongs life! Here it is a pity the brain does not add!
      Quote: Stroporez
      You rub the peasants over Putin, so he won’t be there very soon,

      I’m not rubbing in for Putin, as you put it! I don’t advertise him in every post and I don’t whine, unlike you, with your war horse!
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 14 February 2018 01: 24
        +3
        Quote: You Vlad
        laugh, they say laughter prolongs life! That's a pity the brain does not add!

        In how belay
        Quote: You Vlad
        I’m not rubbing in for Putin, as you put it! I don’t advertise him in every post and I don’t whine, unlike you, with your war horse!

        Served where, sickly? I even with great respect to Golovan-Manulu (kote), he was at least a tank-boy, but who are you? Smesharik ?? laughing
      2. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 14 February 2018 01: 26
        +2
        Quote: You Vlad
        laugh, they say laughter prolongs life! That's a pity the brain does not add!

        In how belay
        Quote: You Vlad
        I’m not rubbing in for Putin, as you put it! I don’t advertise him in every post and I don’t whine, unlike you, with your war horse!

        Served where, sickly? I even with great respect to Golovan-Manulu (kote), he was at least a tank-boy, but who are you? laughinganother troll?
        1. You Vlad
          You Vlad 14 February 2018 07: 43
          +3
          Looks like the system has floated, doubles! Don’t worry so amiable, sing your songs further, it’s not long left, you are funny with these songs, and where I served was not your business!
          Quote: Stroporez
          I even with great respect to Golovan-Manul

          But he affectionately called you, how everything is running at you! With agitators like you, your candidate will not gain 2%, go on dove hiYour audience will get drunk on the elections and will not crawl to the polls ....
    2. Zheleznostop
      Zheleznostop 16 February 2018 14: 03
      0
      Honored man, will you answer for the bazaar? Soon you say Puten will not be, but if you drive demons?
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  37. Adequate
    Adequate 13 February 2018 22: 33
    +6
    Sofa General
    1. I take everything into account. No need here about ideology. In the USSR, 70 years was an ideology. And where is the USSR now ???
    2. Now there is an ideology, too, have a normal life, improve your well-being, be happy, bring up children, be proud of Russia.
    1. Sma11
      Sma11 13 February 2018 23: 52
      +7
      Quote: Adequate
      Now there is an ideology, too, have a normal life, improve your well-being, be happy, bring up children, be proud of Russia.

      BUT
      1. Adequate
        Adequate 14 February 2018 13: 16
        +2
        I look here a whole group of wise men gathered: Sma11, Stroporez, Sofa General, andj61. Write an ideology for youth as you imagine it. It will be very interesting to read. You can give Russian ideology recommendations to the authorities, so to speak.
        1. Sofa General
          Sofa General 14 February 2018 15: 07
          0
          Adequate.
          How cleverly you, however, have translated the arrows :) You are an official with us, a man denounced by the authorities, which in theory should mean that you are better than us ordinary inhabitants. And now what are you telling us - write an ideology? I will write. But along with ideologies, I would like to confiscate from you all the acquired good in the field of an official and send to New Earth with a bare backside.
          Do you hear yourself at all? In particular, what you say. WRITE! So I immediately have a question - why the hell do I need such an official for whom I will do everything. Those. you are incompetent either as an official or as an ideologist. Those. you’re just comfortable, or you’re just an opportunist who has not reached the basin, but the saucer with a feeding trough.
          On this conversation with you is over - let's see you.
          1. Adequate
            Adequate 14 February 2018 16: 05
            +4
            Sofa General, as required. I wrote what I consider it necessary to orient young people: 1. live normally, 2. improve your well-being, 3. not violate the laws of the Russian Federation, 4. be happy 5. Raise children, 5. Be proud of Russia. 6. Improve Russia. This is certainly not 15 volumes of the works of V.I. Lenin. Couch General, and you are able to issue at least one proposal dedicated to your vision of what ideology should modern youth adhere to?
            1. Sofa General
              Sofa General 14 February 2018 18: 04
              0
              Adequate
              The general phrases you wrote - such millions by Medvedev, Putin, Mironov, Zhirik ...
              Living normally is a fucking slogan for a program. It’s normal for someone to expand, and for someone it’s normal to go to work in the summer in order to at least somehow help the family. From personal: in the summer they returned with the family from the sea. We drove around the Krasnodar Territory. Stopped to buy watermelons. So, a girl of 14 years old and her younger brother who looks like 8-9 years old are selling watermelons. This is normal? Apparently yes. Because since childhood they are accustomed to work, albeit with a different motivation. And in Moscow, at the age of 14, most of them are already thinking about the beer ...
              In general, we are not having a conversation. A full hungry one does not understand.
              1. Adequate
                Adequate 14 February 2018 19: 52
                +2
                Deciding to find out all at once, without any hint she asked where he got such amounts from. I was ready for any answer, even prepared for the worst internally, but the answer completely shocked me. The son said that this money is a payment for educational services from a classmate of Sevka. The thing is that my son is well versed in the exact sciences, and they are not given to the other classmates with difficulty, so he decided to take thanks for money for any assistance in school and homework. It seems that by the end of school, the son will become the owner of his own cars. And at his age I considered buying chewing gum the ultimate dream.
                1. Sofa General
                  Sofa General 14 February 2018 20: 12
                  0
                  Will grow from a son of pigs, if he is a pig (c)
                  1. Adequate
                    Adequate 14 February 2018 20: 28
                    +3
                    The hero of Russia will grow up. Russia needs businessmen, not philosophers like you. This guy and that girl selling watermelons about which you wrote and a friend of mine who washed his father’s car all his childhood, and then his friends ’cars for money and now owns a car wash network. This is the future of Russia, and you are the past.
                    1. Sofa General
                      Sofa General 14 February 2018 23: 54
                      +1
                      Do not confuse warm with soft.
                      In my time, for trying to take money for help with homework - yes, it simply couldn’t come to our mind!
                      So you grow up businessmen? :) Ready for 300% profit to sell his mother (according to Marx).
                      Well, what to expect from an official? A businessman will grow up, then he’ll sit on an administrative dad’s resource, if you bend your shoulders and become a higher official ... you’ll cut a budget - a worthy change ... and his children will go to the Bundestag to apologize for Stalingrad and the Kursk Bulge ...
                      1. Adequate
                        Adequate 15 February 2018 00: 51
                        +3
                        A businessman will create a resource. State resources are not enough for everyone. Let's dwell on this: Sofa General, you do not understand the processes taking place in modern Russia. Trying to simplify the picture to the level of your understanding ... All thieves, etc. You are a splinter of the past. I feel sorry for you.
              2. marline
                marline 15 February 2018 12: 27
                +1
                Quote: Sofa General
                a girl of 14 years old and her younger brother, who seemingly 8-9 years old, sell watermelons. This is normal?

                I wildly apologize for interfering, however:
                the complete prohibition of child labor is incompatible with the existence of large-scale industry and is therefore an empty godly wish

                K. Marx, "Criticism of the Gotha Program", 1875.
                So from the point of view of a true communist, even a Marxist, child labor is absolutely normal and notice in large-scale industry. And you don’t know the primary sources, didn’t prepare ...
    2. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 13 February 2018 23: 55
      +8
      Quote: Adequate
      2. Now there is an ideology, too, have a normal life, improve your well-being, be happy, bring up children, be proud of Russia.

      Go to sleep already, otherwise the mother will scold, your child, your division. yes
      1. Sofa General
        Sofa General 14 February 2018 00: 18
        +8
        he wrote above that he is an official - and they do not sleep, they think about their homeland and people ...
        golden people ...
      2. Adequate
        Adequate 14 February 2018 13: 15
        +2
        I look here a whole group of wise men gathered: Sma11, Stroporez, Sofa General, andj61. Write an ideology for youth as you imagine it. It will be very interesting to read. You can give Russian ideology recommendations to the authorities, so to speak.
      3. Adequate
        Adequate 14 February 2018 13: 16
        +1
        I look here a whole group of wise men gathered: Sma11, Stroporez, Sofa General, andj61. Write an ideology for youth as you imagine it. It will be very interesting to read. You can give Russian ideology recommendations to the authorities, so to speak.
        1. Sma11
          Sma11 14 February 2018 20: 37
          +1
          Wow! The button on the computer stuck or the Internet freezes. Several times the same thing was tricked.
          Listen Dear Adequate. And you are not a bot? You do not answer questions, you hang. So what did Great Putin do after all for 17 years in power?. And recommendations to the authorities ... Do not bother living an ordinary person with all your crazy laws, wild excise taxes, predatory taxes and moronic thought!
          1. Adequate
            Adequate 14 February 2018 21: 38
            +4
            I. Do not put your value judgment on the executive and legislative branches. Can only Sma11 listen to you? What laws do you not like to remove? Maybe they’ll remove the laws at all, but people will figure it out themselves?
            II. What Putin did in 17 years: 1. He stopped the war in Chechnya 2. “Equally removed” the oligarchs from power, nationalized Yukos, put Khodorkovsky and forced oil companies to pay taxes to the budget. 3. from $ 196 billion in 1999 to $ 1,281 trillion in 2016. 4. Raised the Bush Bush Feet forgotten like a nightmare 5. Returned Russia to international politics 6. Nationalized 65% of the oil industry, 95% of the gas and a number of other sectors of the economy. 7. Reduced inflation from 36,5% to 2,5%. 8. The average life expectancy of Russians during Putin’s reign has grown from 65 to 72 years. 9. The number of premeditated murders and attempted murders under Putin decreased by 4 times - from the level of 25-30 per 100 population in 000-2000. to the level of 2002-6,5 per 6,8 population 100000. I figured out public external debt, bringing it to one of the lowest sizes among developed and developing countries - from $ 10 billion in 158 to $ 2000 billion in 33,6 (from 2017% of GDP in 78 to 2000% of GDP in 3) 2017. Got the right to host the Olympics in Sochi, and then held it at the highest level. 11. Revived the Russian army and navy 12. Refused the dollar in trade with China and some other countries. He began to untie the Russian economy from the dollar zone. 13. Significantly increased the annual budget revenues of Russia (from 14 trillion in 1 to 2000 trillion in 15), and foreign exchange reserves - 2015 times (from $ 50 billion in 4,5 to $ 1999 billion in 400 .) 2017. Set the course for import substitution (in particular, after the sanctions in 15) 2014. Returned Crimea 16. On March 17, 15, the issuance of new electronic, plastic passports of the Russian Federation began. all pieces of paper in one plastic card 2018. In Russia in 18, it is planned to complete the construction of an industrial nuclear electric propulsion system (NED) of a megawatt class for a manned spacecraft. 2018. Portal of public services. And a lot of other things ... Each of the actions is for you not to go for bread!
            1. Sma11
              Sma11 14 February 2018 22: 23
              +2
              Well, the editorial from the Pravda of the Soviet era is right. The decisions of the XXV Congress are approving, approving, and, of course, approving. To answer you need to prepare. Although there are many respondents to this "nonsense".
              1. Adequate
                Adequate 14 February 2018 22: 54
                +2
                Just for the facts. I don’t want to listen to philosophical reasoning. The power of thieves, etc. Prove it! No evidence, be silent!
            2. Sofa General
              Sofa General 14 February 2018 23: 50
              +1
              Did Starikov have an internship?
              1. Adequate
                Adequate 15 February 2018 00: 52
                +2
                I don’t know who it is. There is a head on his shoulders.
    3. Sofa General
      Sofa General 14 February 2018 00: 08
      +7
      Now there is an ideology, too, have a normal life, improve your well-being, be happy, bring up children, be proud of Russia.

      Explain - this is ideology? WHAT did you write is an ideology?
      yes ...
      strong...
      live normally, increase your well-being - i.e. go to business?
      share the secret of happiness?
      raising children is not a question. let the state not interfere in this process. and does not make a "biorobot" out of my child.
      Be proud of Russia? - and I'm proud of her. Starting from Kievan Rus and ending with a flight into space Gagarin. Only now in modern Russia, apart from extremely rare moments of sport, I have nothing to be proud of. Alas.
      The state has no ideology. NO.
      And one more question. You are agitating for Putin - where to read his election program? About hpp is not necessary - no one has seen it either, a reference to the May decrees should not be. Is Putin’s self-nominated program?
      1. dSK
        dSK 14 February 2018 01: 10
        +1
        Quote: Sofa General
        Putin’s self-nominated campaign
        Next week will be voiced.
        1. Sofa General
          Sofa General 14 February 2018 01: 12
          +5
          specify month and year
    4. andj61
      andj61 14 February 2018 11: 15
      +1
      Quote: Adequate
      1. I take everything into account. No need here about ideology. In the USSR, 70 years was an ideology. And where is the USSR now ???

      In the Russian Empire there was no ideology. And where is the Russian Empire now?
      Quote: Adequate
      Now there is an ideology, too, have a normal life, improve your well-being, be happy, bring up children, be proud of Russia.

      This is not an ideology - this is pure physiology - to close yourself in your own shell and not to excite.
      People should have a dream, people should strive for something great - even as in the USSR until the mid-70s. Then, with the growth of well-being, they all chatted and forgot. And then they exchanged it: someone for sausage, someone for their candle factory, and not one. hi
      1. Adequate
        Adequate 14 February 2018 13: 17
        +1
        I look here a whole group of wise men gathered: Sma11, Stroporez, Sofa General, andj61. Write an ideology for youth as you imagine it. It will be very interesting to read. You can give Russian ideology recommendations to the authorities, so to speak.
        1. andj61
          andj61 14 February 2018 14: 17
          +1
          Quote: Adequate
          I look here a whole group of wise men gathered: Sma11, Stroporez, Sofa General, andj61.

          It’s worth adding to the wise guys! repeat
          Quote: Adequate
          Write an ideology for youth as you imagine it. It will be very interesting to read. You can give Russian ideology recommendations to the authorities, so to speak.

          Ideologies are for parties. The party can introduce ideology into the Program, and even in the Program can plan a subsequent amendment of the Constitution in case of victory in the elections. yes And even in the Constitution in 1993, with the full approval of the overseas “partners,” a ban on state ideology was prescribed. request
          Do you propose to advise the authorities to violate the Constitution? Offer your idea - as a smart guy, naturally - of any party - and all will be happy! hi
          1. Adequate
            Adequate 14 February 2018 16: 07
            +1
            andj61 Dogs bark, and the caravan goes on. I hope you are not stupid and understand my hint :))
  38. Adequate
    Adequate 13 February 2018 22: 44
    +3
    Sma11 sorry you are a stupid person :)) I'm sorry :)) In Siberia, solid Indians :))
    1. Sma11
      Sma11 13 February 2018 23: 29
      +7
      And besides the Indians there is nothing to cling to? Will you answer the question about Putin or not?
  39. telobezumnoe
    telobezumnoe 13 February 2018 23: 54
    +4
    If tomorrow is a war and they bring you a summons, will you go to war? Out of a dozen young people, one thought. The rest just said yes. Parenting?
    and what values ​​are you going to fall behind? brotherhood equality?
    I, as a representative of the category mentioned in the article, I can say that there are no these values, there is no idea that it would be worth defending, defending the values ​​the loot defeats evil? when you can ride on the highway at least two hundred, if you can afford such a service? just pay the money (although it is strange to call them fines, it’s just more like an additional service) when the same DPS officer cannot remove the drunken minister of themis, who, in theory, should defend the law? in a normal society, such a judge should not only be removed from the helm, but also from his post. values ​​where children are made by instilling the necessary values ​​through the media, where dancing and singing have replaced the person of work. what to fight for? how do we differ from America with double standards?
    1. Sofa General
      Sofa General 14 February 2018 00: 10
      +7
      our period of initial capital formation is over. begins the period of creation of the "labor" dynasties of Sechin, Miller, Rogozin, etc. that's all. in America, dynasties have already taken shape.
  40. sleeve
    sleeve 14 February 2018 06: 15
    +6
    Sma11,
    And if the country's GDP is divided by area and compared with Switzerland, then we have the most useless area of ​​the country in the world. And if you look carefully at the Internet, then the Kremlin is conducting human sacrifices. And if ..., and if ... Has anyone built a house from scratch? (I and not one and many apartments and one resident). From shovels to the ground, to the feeling of comfortable housing, not even months, but years. Both the owner with the mind, and the hands in the process in clay and cement. What has Putin done in 18 years? He made the country anew. Whatever she is, she now has a goal. Become stronger and live richer. And in general, what does Putin have to do with it? Did we live separately from the country? We are the same with our hands to the elbow in cement and clay ... Do not fig responsibility to shift from the couch to the Kremlin.
    1. Sofa General
      Sofa General 14 February 2018 07: 48
      +5
      And in general, what does Putin have to do with it? Did we live separately from the country?

      We don’t ... but they have a different Russia - a completely different
    2. Victor N
      Victor N 14 February 2018 11: 26
      +4
      Gold words! We are involved in everything that happens in the country. What does not suit us is that we have not worked out. The basis of the state is the family, we are fully responsible for our own, and if the state helps with anything, thanks. From us - help and support to the state.
      Putin managed to do a lot and will do even more - he is supported.
  41. sleeve
    sleeve 14 February 2018 09: 32
    +1
    Gentlemen, can I ask the expert community on an abstract topic? The same kind of about power. 29.03.17/XNUMX/XNUMX in one place (even on one turntable flew) immediately gathered three "nuclear suitcases", which in nature has never been and should not be in such circumstances: Shoigu, Putin and Medvedev. Even retired in C grade for some reason. The fact of such a flagrant violation of safety regulations has never been observed anywhere. Of course, I’m not talking about general abuse of power, but can anyone come down to the expression of thought? Or maybe the discussion went on, I'll be happy to read.
  42. Natalia777
    Natalia777 14 February 2018 11: 14
    +5
    For some reason, a strange picture is observed. It seems like patriots and ordinary ordinary people from the people who criticize corrupt officials and deputies, blame the oligarchs and capitalists, while seizing power, they suddenly turn into thieves, bribe takers and corrupt officials. They begin to use the position in their own interests and stuff their pockets. And some even sell their homeland and begin to work against the Russian people in the interests of the West. I don’t understand how Vladimir Putin can influence the conscience of all people and all officials and change everyone’s brains. And are there any people in the world who honestly live when they become officials and deputies and always make the right choice in the interests of the people?
  43. asp373
    asp373 14 February 2018 11: 42
    +3
    Very self-critical article. The author does not like youth, but he does not know what it should be. Young people want radical changes, but have no idea what they can lead to. I suggest that the author does not strain on the issue of youth. Previously, you had to think about it, now it's too late - the kids grew up. I suggest young lovers of reform to quit and look for a new job. This will reform their lives without harming others.
    1. Adequate
      Adequate 14 February 2018 13: 20
      +2
      I look here a whole group of wise men gathered: Sma11, Stroporez, Sofa General, andj61. Let them write an ideology for young people as they imagine it. It will be very interesting to read. An ideology for the whole of Russia can make recommendations to the authorities, so to speak. We will penetrate :))
      1. marline
        marline 15 February 2018 12: 09
        +2
        Quote: Adequate
        We will penetrate :))

        It’s great for them to criticize ... If they start writing ideology, then most likely they will quickly slide down to what is usual - criticizing the authorities ... Here and so you look at their posts diagonally, and even if I’ve scanned fifty pages ...
      2. Zheleznostop
        Zheleznostop 16 February 2018 13: 56
        0
        They have one envy that tributes are not taken from commerce by brothers but bureaucrats.
  44. Antonio_Mariarti
    Antonio_Mariarti 14 February 2018 12: 30
    +1
    Quote: SPACE
    Quote: Antonio_Mariarti
    On the one hand, we are told what a rich and powerful country, on the other hand, they see the horrors of cities and people. And they don’t agree, how so ...

    It is not enough to have ears and eyes, one must still have a head.

    That is, you need to think. MMM, I wonder why the mayor drives expensive cars and where he always drives good roads, streets. And somewhere in 1-2 streets there is already a backwater, as if after the war. Yes, you need to be able and understand that they do not care.
  45. dima9990
    dima9990 15 February 2018 08: 44
    +4
    vladimirZ,
    Do you really believe that Grudinin will be able to fight the oligarchs ??? Behind him are power structures loyal to him personally? Grudinin's nomination is a fiction. A la Bryntsalov, if you remember this.
  46. marline
    marline 15 February 2018 09: 26
    +2
    Quote: vladimirZ
    My pension is even less, only 12 tr.

    Nevertheless, I asked about income, but let us forget for clarity.
    Quote: vladimirZ
    For myself, I think that this is a barricade for me, because many are afraid to openly criticize the authorities on the Internet.

    And can you find out who is afraid? Tea in the yard is not the 37th to be afraid ...
    Quote: vladimirZ
    I’ll go to real barricades if I need to defend people's power.

    People’s power is democracy. Are you a democrat? Already went for Yeltsin?
    Quote: vladimirZ
    In the current circumstances of external pressure, I consider a social revolution possible, as this will give Russia liberation from its now not sovereign status of a raw material colony of the West.

    Words that are not backed by facts remain mere words, you really should not know with your experience. I note from myself that any social revolution will cause instability (simply due to the transition from one model to another) and, as a result of being under external pressure, the inevitable loss of any sovereignty.
    Quote: vladimirZ
    The current ruling "elite" is essentially a collaborative, working for the West. They have one goal, to enter Russia into the world order of the West as a raw materials appendage.

    Unproven again.
    Quote: vladimirZ
    The current contradictions between the USA / West and Russia include only the competitive struggle between TNCs and the national bourgeoisie for the redistribution of the Russian raw materials market, upholding their share in the robbery of its wealth.

    Big words again. So the existence of the struggle of national elites with external influence just testifies to sovereignty.
    Quote: vladimirZ
    Such a social revolution can happen peacefully, including through elections.

    Read the works of Marx, Engels, Lenin.
    Quote: vladimirZ
    Why did you decide that something will change when the owner changes from private to state (bourgeois to bureaucrats)? And what do you forget about the example of the USSR, where everything was state?

    I just remember how the consumer society that developed in the USSR by the 80s collapsed the USSR because it wanted to consume even more. But here again, you have demagoguery. I asked you about something else: What is the difference to a uncle Vasya who owns the property rights to the means of production? What is more important to him is his salary, and the more he is, the better. On the basis of what do you say that after the change of ownership, will Uncle Vasya get a bigger salary?
    Quote: vladimirZ
    Moreover, the country has reached an unprecedented pace of development in history - in just 10 years, 1930 to 1940, it has turned from a backward agrarian to a world industrial power

    This is called industrialization. At the same time, high rates of economic growth are quite natural. The same thing, although of course at a slower pace, is now happening in China. But in order to understand that industrialization cannot be carried out for the second time, you should read additional literature, because it takes a very long time to explain it. Pay particular attention to the premises that developed by the beginning of the 20th century. and made industrialization possible, as well as how it was carried out in the USSR.
    Quote: vladimirZ
    And who says that everything will be state? No, this will not happen, there will be a mixed public-private economy, with the main share of the state in the leading branches of production.

    How is this fundamentally different from the current situation? Again, I suggest you evaluate the state’s share in the economy - currently it is 70%. Is this not enough? How much is needed?
    Quote: vladimirZ
    And no one offers to "take and share." For example, now the Communist Party has introduced a bill to the State Duma of the Russian Federation where the procedure for compensatory nationalization of individual campaigns is clearly spelled out.

    In the discussion of an article on HE on this topic, it was already noted that this bill would only cause new corruption scandals. So the question is - where is the guarantee that the bureaucrats will manage these enterprises better than the bourgeois. Moreover, knowing our grabbers, there are great doubts about this.
    Quote: vladimirZ
    Under current conditions, only Pavel Grudinin can pursue such a policy in the interests of the people as President of Russia.

    Ray of light in the dark kingdom !!!
    Quote: vladimirZ
    Putin will not pursue a policy of equal social partnership for the sake of the whole people.

    IMHO, he conducts it as much as possible in the current conditions.
  47. Dmitry Khromkov
    Dmitry Khromkov 15 February 2018 14: 54
    +1
    Young people should be asked in the periphery, not megacities.
    In large cities, young people are in the majority dodgers.
    Do you know how their parents talk about their sons? Why are you going to join the army? Let the village go to the army. You’ll graduate from the institute and go, work, somewhere in a warm place.
    That's it.
  48. Zheleznostop
    Zheleznostop 16 February 2018 13: 53
    0
    You Vlad,
    I --- t each other, and money in a mug))))
  49. woron333444
    woron333444 17 February 2018 10: 10
    +2
    Sma11,
    Where are the Indians in Siberia? I live in the south of Siberia and see Kazakhs less often.
  50. tank64rus
    tank64rus 17 February 2018 10: 16
    0
    Everything is correct, as Alexander II said if we do not free the peasants from serfdom from above. they will be free from below. President and Russia in a similar situation. That the regional "elites consider the regions and the people in them as their property is a fact. These" elites "have real power in the regions. Well, the population fought for" democracy "in the 90s. It ran into that. a chance for the West, you can use the inaction of the supreme power in relation to the regional elites whom the population or regional elites hate, if the supreme power starts to press them, which should have been done a long time ago, so the reason for alarm is very significant.