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Will Russians save Israel?

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In the north of Israel restless. Israel’s tensions with Syria and Iran have escalated. Israeli politicians and experts believe that it is time for the mediator to intervene. And Russia could become this mediator. Besides her, there is no one to settle the situation. It is the Russians who will help avoid a full-scale military conflict. The time when the USA mediated in the region is gone.




The failure to find a mediator can seriously aggravate the conflict between Tel Aviv, Ladies and Tehran. This writes Laura Fernandez Palomo on the site "RTVE".

The “rules of war” in the north of Israel have changed. Today, parties to a conflict are at greater risk. In recent years, there has been a serious escalation of hostilities. This is confirmed by the events that took place last Saturday. The conflict between Israel, Iran and Syria can be seriously exacerbated if the parties do not find a mediator.

According to Ofer Salzberg of the International Crisis Group (International Crisis Group), the only power in Syria that is able to negotiate on new agreements on mutual understanding and reducing the risk of major confrontation, is Russia.

According to the International Crisis Group, the situation is worsening: the containment, which previously allowed the separation zone of Israel with Lebanon and Syria to remain relatively calm, no longer plays its former role. Tensions between Israel and the Shiite Hezbollah are affecting, since this Lebanese group also operates on Syrian territory along with Iranian forces. As a result, Israel was faced with an “unknown” development of the situation. At least, experts say so.

The Iranian forces themselves, which are fighting on the same side with the forces of President Bashar Assad, also increased their influence. True, while they are far enough away from the territory controlled by Israel.

Analysts at the International Crisis Group are confident that the Assad troops will move to the southern regions of the country. And a mediator is needed who could contribute to the achievement of a temporary agreement between the parties. The initiator could make Russia.

The publication reminds that last week, on Saturday night, the Israeli military intercepted an Iranian drone, which from the territory of Syria invaded Israeli airspace. Also, “Iranian targets” were attacked in Syria. The Israeli Air Force fighter was able to shoot down an Iranian UAV launched from Syria. However, the fighter crashed in the north of Syria, having been hit by a Syrian air defense. The crew ejected, but one pilot was seriously injured. This led to "a large-scale Israeli operation against Iranian and Syrian targets."

Как note Russian media, two fighter pilots are now hospitalized, the state of both is stable. Israeli Air Force planes, which then struck at the air defense system and Iranian targets in Syria, attacked twelve objects. During this air attack in the direction of the Jewish state were released anti-aircraft missiles, which triggered the siren air raid in northern Israel.

In Syria, hitting an Israeli plane is considered a victory, writes RTVE. Hezbollah fighters claim that the downed aircraft marks "the beginning of a new strategic stage" and "the fall of the old balance" in the region.

According to Defense Specialist Amos Harel (Ha'aretz), Damascus now shows far greater confidence, forcing Israel in this new situation to reconsider strategy and tactics.

Analysts agree with this: after all, over the past few weeks, the level of anxiety in the northern zone has increased. Israel does not want to escalate, experts say, but the “rules of war” at the new stage no longer seem clear.

The Deputy Israeli Prime Minister for Diplomatic Affairs, Michael Oren, also hopes for a mediator who will contribute to peace between the conflicting parties. According to him, Washington is no longer able to be a mediator here. Opinion policy leads «Bloomberg».

The United States is already out of the Syrian “game,” since Russia dominates here, Jonathan Ferziger and David Winer write in their article. Israel hopes that Vladimir Putin, as long as the Trump administration is looking “from the side,” will continue to keep Iran and Syria from confronting with Israel. So thinks the Deputy Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

According to Oren, the American part of the equation is in support of Israel, but the US is now “practically without leverage” in place.

Criticism of Oren, journalists say, reflects Israel’s official opinion that Washington is not doing enough to curb Iran’s military ambitions in southern Syria, where the border “with the Israeli Golan Heights” lies.

The article also notes that Mr. Netanyahu is in direct contact with the Russians (the dominant player in Syria) after the incident with an Israeli plane.

Israel’s expectations from Russia are built on the fact that the Russians will stop this new war. Oren does not admit that there is someone who would now be "interested in war."

Asked if the Russians could keep Iran and Syria, he replied: “We assume that they can. We'll see".

Russia, perhaps, is the best choice of Israel, but it is difficult to be sure of that, journalists write further. Indeed, over the past few years, Netanyahu has made a number of visits to Russia to draw the "red lines of Israel." He asked Putin to curb Iran. So what? Russian media quoted the Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov as saying that the presence of Iran in Syria is legal, and Moscow cannot guarantee that pro-Iranian forces will leave the southern territories of Syria.

Further, the authors recall that Russia came to the Syrian war in order to "support its client, President Bashar al-Assad." Iran and Hezbollah also "support Assad." In addition, they see a power vacuum in Syria and are ready to use it as a chance to build their own sphere of influence, from Tehran to the Mediterranean.

Russia's interest is to reach a political and military solution in Syria and rebuild the country, Amos Yadlin, former head of the Israeli military intelligence, believes. Therefore, he says, the conflict in the north between Israel, Hezbollah and Iran is not in the interests of Moscow.

Yadlin, who heads the Institute for National Security Studies at Tel Aviv University, does not expect Israel’s salvation in Syria to come from the United States. “America is busy with other things,” he said with irony.

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As for Russia, it is not possible to judge its peacekeeping decision, the whole Middle Eastern tangle looks so complicated.

In addition, Russia is not so much like the dominant player in the region - after all, winning is not enough, the victory must also be consolidated. And consolidating the victory is a long exhausting struggle on the ground, without which the situation will crawl back. The war in Syria can gain new momentum. At present, Moscow is much more concerned about the presidential elections, rather than an increase in tensions between Israel and regional Syrian players, Iran and Syria, who hardly plan to soon become friends with Israel.

As a result, Moscow confined itself to a statement of “grave concern”, which seems more like criticism of Israel’s actions than mediation between Israel, Syria and Iran.

“In Moscow, the latest developments and attacks on Syria were taken with serious concern. Of particular concern is the danger of escalating tensions in and around de-escalation zones in Syria, the creation of which has become an important factor in reducing violence on Syrian soil. We remind you that the Syrian government forces observe the existing agreements on ensuring the sustainable operation of the de-escalation zone in the south-west of the country ", - says in a statement to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation on the website of the department. Further, the Russian Foreign Ministry called on the "parties involved" to exercise restraint.

But what restraint could be in a war?

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  1. HEATHER
    HEATHER 13 February 2018 07: 19
    +10
    In light of recent events, I think Israel began to rush for a simple reason, there is no hope for the United States. “Hegemonic” for the satellite will not come up. It will be sad if the distribution comes from three sides. It's a pity people. And, after all, "a fairy tale is a lie, but a hint in it" -Guys, let's live together. Do not want to-this is not only your problems! We still have to dig into for you. Where are your states? Help- "wait for an answer" .
    1. Chertt
      Chertt 13 February 2018 07: 30
      +15
      Quote: VERESK
      . It will be sad if the distribution from three sides arrives

      You are a realist. How many hours do you think Israel will need to stop all the "distributions" and mix the "distributors" with sand. Israel does not need to be saved. But the Muslim neighbors of Israel, if anything, have to save
      1. HEATHER
        HEATHER 13 February 2018 07: 38
        +6
        In this I am a pessimist. If, God forbid, it will ensue, it will be bad for everyone. In Israel, the ammunition supply does not last forever.
        1. Chertt
          Chertt 13 February 2018 07: 42
          +9
          But at present, the Israeli Armed Forces are more efficient than all the neighbors' armies combined
          1. Evil543
            Evil543 13 February 2018 08: 00
            +13
            Quote: Chertt
            But at present, the Israeli Armed Forces are more efficient than all the neighbors' armies combined

            Yes, don’t save anyone to Israel, they will save themselves, here Syria should be saved from them, yes. Right now, tovarischi from Israel will explain everything on their fingers.
            We introduce the word to Mr. Professor ... Please ...
          2. Nulgorod
            Nulgorod 13 February 2018 08: 01
            +2
            And how long can she fight with everyone combined? A quick war this time will not work.
            1. Chertt
              Chertt 13 February 2018 08: 04
              +4
              Quote: Nulgorod
              A quick war this time will not work.

              Why, if you know something, share it, do not keep it
              1. Natalia777
                Natalia777 13 February 2018 11: 07
                +2
                Russia supplied Iran with the first batch of S-300 anti-aircraft missile systems, about one division, said Vladimir Kozhin, assistant to the president of Russia for military-technical cooperation, during the HeliRussia-2016 exhibition.
                1. Chertt
                  Chertt 13 February 2018 11: 11
                  0
                  Good news. Now star-stripped three times will think before using aviation
                  1. woron333444
                    woron333444 13 February 2018 14: 00
                    +1
                    First of all, Iran needs to protect its facilities in Iran with the help of the S-300, and then think about Syria.
            2. Aaron Zawi
              Aaron Zawi 13 February 2018 08: 51
              +2
              Quote: Nulgorod
              And how long can she fight with everyone combined? A quick war this time will not work.

              Who with you?
              1. avt
                avt 13 February 2018 09: 35
                +4
                Quote: Aron Zaavi
                Who with you?

                And what? The Jewish Cossacks, “But did the lads sit up in saddles!?" Is it the first time or what? bully
                1. Spike Javelin Touvich
                  Spike Javelin Touvich 13 February 2018 10: 02
                  +3
                  Are you adequate?
            3. andj61
              andj61 13 February 2018 09: 50
              +7
              Quote: Nulgorod
              And how long can she fight with everyone combined? A quick war this time will not work.

              There was a time when Israel fought - at the same time! - with all its neighbors - Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, as well as Iraq. At the same time, other Arab countries also did not stand aside. And he won. Now there is no unity among the Arabs, and the war with Syria, Hesbollah and Iran cannot pose a threat to the existence of Israel. And Israel is likely to win this war. But Israel does not need a war either. Is Israel afraid of strengthening Hesbollah and Iran in Syria? But Assad, Hezbollah, and Iran must first solve the issue of rebels and terrorists, and then Syria will have to rebuild the state, and Iran has a confrontation with Saudi Arabia - in Yemen, Qatar and the Middle East in general. An unnecessary armed confrontation, and, especially, a war, is not needed by anyone. So, there is an opportunity to agree. And Russia could well mediate in such negotiations. hi
              1. Kasym
                Kasym 13 February 2018 15: 36
                +5
                Israel can wash with blood in a new war - the enemy has gained great experience. It’s not for nothing that Bibi is bombing warehouses with weapons in Syria - that means they are afraid of something. Iran uses UAVs, transfers missile weapons to Hezbollah and Syria - as Tel Aviv claims. Iran possesses OTRK. And note that the Syrians still learned in a short time to use air defense with damage to the enemy. And if the Russian Federation, Iran, or that Pakistan (from China) begin to saturate that Lebanon or Syria with air defense systems? Another point. The Europeans against Libya were quickly using up their precision munitions, which the states had to ask for. Israel on the use of such a BC can quickly "go broke." In a word, the enemy is capable of "undermining" the budget of Israel and discarding in development. NATO will begin to support Israel - Islamic countries may boycott a declaration of energy supplies.
                Here the Israelis write that "do not touch us and we will not." But something I do not see a single destruction in the territory of Israel, not a single sacrifice on their part. And they themselves deliver tangible blows to the combat effectiveness of the Assad coalition. The leadership of Israel, in my opinion, is inadequately responding to events and miss the chance to try on in the future with their neighbors. hi
                1. andj61
                  andj61 13 February 2018 16: 08
                  +4
                  Quote: Kasym
                  Israel can wash with blood in a new war - the enemy has gained great experience. N

                  In the 60s, the Arabs had an overwhelming advantage - and it did NOT work ANYTHING - they lost. In the 70s and 80s, Israel strengthened, and the Arabs relatively, of course, weakened. And in clashes with Israel they constantly lost. Two Arab countries - Egypt and Jordan - have signed peace treaties with Israel and are scrupulously implementing them. Iran, Hezbollah and CAA are currently much weaker than Israel. Iranian OTRKs will not make a big contribution to the forces opposing Israel, and apparently, Iran does not have WMDs. And if there is, then its application will only cause the internationalization of the conflict - and everyone will take the side of Israel.
                  Quote: Kasym
                  And if the Russian Federation, Iran, or that Pakistan (from China) begin to saturate that Lebanon or Syria with air defense systems?

                  The USSR at one time saturated Syria and Egypt with air defense systems by nowhere. And what's the point? The Israeli Air Force carried out reconnaissance, determined the frequencies at which they operate - and almost immediately destroyed them. So do not feed the horse. Arabs are not used to working effectively on such a complex technique! And it’s not a secret to anyone that in those cases when airplanes from the air defense system were shot down or shot down, Soviet military experts had a relationship with this. And the Arabs turned out extremely badly. Our military advisers who have visited many countries - Vietnam, Cuba, Syria, Iraq, Libya, Egypt, Angola, Ethiopia said that even Ethiopians are more amenable to training than Arabs. And there’s nothing to say about Cubans and Vietnamese - they mastered our technique with such tenacity that they could be set as ours as an example.
                  Quote: Kasym
                  The Europeans against Libya were quickly using up their precision munitions, which the states had to ask for. Israel on the use of such a BC can quickly "go broke." In a word, the enemy is capable of "undermining" the budget of Israel and discarding in development. NATO will begin to support Israel - Islamic countries may boycott a declaration of energy supplies.

                  ravaging Israel-it is strong! But for this, someone constantly needs to fight in order to substitute under these very expensive bombs. And there’s nobody to fight. And there are no such hunters. All experienced ones know that wars against Jews end badly for Arabs. Arabs declared a boycott for the supply of energy resources for supporting Israel, but in the 70s, when they were united, when there was a common front against Israel. Now there is no such front near, and it is not foreseen. Israel, and even more so in words, is opposed by Shiites, and for the Sunnis, who make up the majority of Arabs, they are much more enemies than Jews. So do not rely on completely impracticable things! bully hi
                  1. Kasym
                    Kasym 13 February 2018 17: 05
                    +2
                    I am not saying that Tel Aviv will lose. I write that the costs can be huge. The last land operation in Lebanon was dear to them, even if they completed the task. And you can not compare that unfired Arab coalition and the current Asad. I can not imagine the Israeli land operation in Syria. You should not rely on precision weapons. It is expensive to use long-range missiles, which Tel Aviv will probably not have enough. We'll have to climb with ordinary ABs and NARs - and here you can substitute the Air Force for an answer. Losses will be inevitable. And also to write off the capabilities of Iran, which is probably in addition to arms supplies, will begin to use the Palestinians. If Tel Aviv hadn’t put Tehran in anything, then why did they have such a reaction to Iran’s actions ?! So there is something to fear. After all, Bibi after the downing of the F-16 began to call Moscow - why, if he feels his superiority and impunity ?! And if they begin to take the initiative into their own hands and shoot down Israeli fighters immediately after takeoff, at least try? Will Hezbollah launch mass rockets in Israel? It seems to me that Russia is holding them back. hi
                    1. Kasym
                      Kasym 13 February 2018 17: 12
                      +1
                      We must not forget that the Israeli Defense Ministry sits on American subsidies - that is, their combat readiness sometimes does not depend on them. hi
                    2. jhltyjyjctw
                      jhltyjyjctw 19 February 2018 08: 33
                      0
                      There will be no ground operation already because there are RF Armed Forces in Syria. And if the truth is about the five new bases that are planned, then after clearing Guta and other cesspools, during 2018. everything will settle down in the south. Everyone understands that Moscow, and not Damascus, is ruining the situation. Nobody will fight with Moscow, including Israel, which must have been warned about the new quality of Syrian air defense (patched up, trained). The Jews did not believe, as they say, the doctor himself. But Moscow now needs stability in the south in order to resolve issues in Idlib and McBridge, on the other side of the Euphrates, again ... And most importantly, the control of energy traffic to Europe should be exclusively under our control. Amen!
                2. V. Salama
                  V. Salama 13 February 2018 16: 45
                  0
                  Chestnuts from fire with other people's hands ... and at someone else’s expense, they learn from their big brother, or they don’t need to be taught this.
                  Israel expects that Vladimir Putin, while the Trump administration looks “from the side”, will continue to deter Iran and Syria from confrontation with Israel
                  However, Australian military expert Richard Frank on events at Deir Az Zor:
                  Russia of course
                  is not a hostage to the situation, but for some reason her military activities in this area have practically ceased. Perhaps this is due to some agreements between the Russian Federation and the United States. Even so, the amazing courage of the Americans makes me wonder ...
                  Perhaps Assad believes that all of Syria belongs to him, but if he looks at the map, he will be very disappointed. The democratic forces have the same influence, and they are the same Syrians as those who fight for Assad. Therefore, they are trying to prevent the seizure of new territories by the troops of the regime.
                  It is clear that this is the United States and some others are “trying to prevent” the SDSs controlled by the Kurds with their hands. So, brothers Israel, we will help each other. For your part, you are a couple of words to the brothers in the States, we are with whom we need.
                3. Maki Avellevich
                  Maki Avellevich 14 February 2018 06: 53
                  +1
                  Quote: Kasym
                  Israel can wash with blood in a new war - the enemy has gained great experience.


                  yes, but it’s an experience to wet each other in the ruins of cities. how will this help them rally and invade Israel?
          3. Berber
            Berber 13 February 2018 08: 53
            +1
            And with all this, they really do not want to shed blood. And the neighbors are almost furious.
          4. mac789
            mac789 13 February 2018 15: 39
            0
            The Israeli armed forces are stronger .... Operation cast lead .... In fact, Israel is simply tearing itself pieces of Syria like Turkey.
      2. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 13 February 2018 08: 04
        +9
        Chertt
        how many hours will it take for Israel to stop all the "distributions" and mix the "distributors" with sand. Israel does not need to be rescued
        If everything was as simple as you expect, then Israel would not have had problems with its neighbors for a long time. Why is it still not mixed with "sand"? Or is Israel so peaceful?
        1. karish
          karish 13 February 2018 08: 08
          +8
          Quote: rotmistr60
          Why is it still not mixed with "sand"?

          mixed up. Syria 40 years ago, after which she sat quietly like a mouse.
          Egypt and Jordan - the same (after that they signed the world)
          They don’t touch us - we don’t touch.
          1. rotmistr60
            rotmistr60 13 February 2018 08: 13
            +13
            Excessive self-confidence, feigned greatness and impunity have destroyed more than one country, empire ...
            1. karish
              karish 13 February 2018 08: 16
              +8
              Quote: rotmistr60
              Excessive self-confidence, feigned greatness and impunity have destroyed more than one country, empire ...

              The USSR and the Russian Empire are on the list? wink
              1. Evil543
                Evil543 13 February 2018 08: 46
                +12
                Quote: karish
                Quote: rotmistr60
                Excessive self-confidence, feigned greatness and impunity have destroyed more than one country, empire ...

                The USSR and the Russian Empire are on the list? wink

                Is Israel eternal? Only receiving duley leads self-esteem in a normal state. There are many examples in history and it would not hurt you to remember this.
                1. karish
                  karish 13 February 2018 09: 55
                  +3
                  Quote: Evil543
                  Quote: karish
                  Quote: rotmistr60
                  Excessive self-confidence, feigned greatness and impunity have destroyed more than one country, empire ...

                  The USSR and the Russian Empire are on the list? wink

                  Is Israel eternal? Only receiving duley leads self-esteem in a normal state. There are many examples in history and it would not hurt you to remember this.

                  you did not answer my question.
                  1. Evil543
                    Evil543 13 February 2018 10: 47
                    +4
                    Did you ask me a question? You agree, your example is not very correct, they fell apart for political reasons, the change of the existing political system, if you want. In this situation, it’s not a conflict between layers of society, but a conflict with the countries of your region, and there can always be barbarians whom your power and dominance in your region will be on the drum. hi
                    1. karish
                      karish 13 February 2018 15: 36
                      +2
                      Quote: Evil543
                      You agree, your example is not very correct, they fell apart for political reasons, the change of the existing political system, if you want

                      But is there a difference because of what fell apart?
                      Quote: Evil543
                      In this situation, it’s not a conflict between layers of society, but a conflict with the countries of your region, and there can always be barbarians whom your power and dominance in your region will be on the drum.

                      Are you accidentally hinting at China?
                      1. Evil543
                        Evil543 13 February 2018 16: 01
                        0
                        Are you a lawyer by any chance?
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                  2. petyaivolk
                    petyaivolk 13 February 2018 10: 58
                    +3
                    Quote: karish
                    you did not answer my question.

                    What did you fix - "my question is my question", you have half past six, that's all you need to know!
                    Well, it's the same youAnd not they! laughing
              2. Natalia777
                Natalia777 13 February 2018 11: 14
                +5
                And why did you come here to the Russian Empire and the USSR? Or Svidomo? Israel bombing Syria, and Russia to do with it?
              3. Per se.
                Per se. 13 February 2018 13: 11
                +7
                Quote: karish
                The USSR and the Russian Empire are on the list (Excessive self-confidence, artificial grandeur and impunity destroyed more than one country, empire ...)?
                If you are interested in the answer to this question is not specifically from Gennady (rotmistr60), but in general from a citizen of Russia, I will say briefly, - no, it does not apply. The Soviet Union was ruined not by impunity, not overconfidence, and, even more so, not spontaneous greatness, but trustfulness ... We were believed in democracy, promises and assurances from the West, we were believed that we could coexist peacefully, mutually beneficial to cooperate. The promises remained promises, if not the expansion of NATO, but cooperation with the West resulted in what is called in Russia, “they let the goat into the garden”, began the active destruction of our army and navy, all the institutions that ensure the sovereignty of the state, the peak of this orgy foreign lobby, the dominance of the interests of the West fell on the years of Yeltsin, after the departure of the Kremlin dreamer, Mikhail Gorbachev. As for the Russian Empire, it was also ruined by not the self-confidence, impunity, feigned greatness, but the meanness of the Anglo-Saxons, who eliminated all competitors in Europe, all the major empires (including an ally of Entente, Russia) who were somehow strong, who represented a threat to their world leadership, could push them from the throne of capitalism. By the way, the State of Israel could have arisen in no small degree with the support of the USSR, here the descendants of Adam and Eve, it’s generally a sin to take offense at the Russians, some Yankees evolving according to Darwin would hardly be able to let this fact happen.
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                  1. andj61
                    andj61 13 February 2018 16: 35
                    +4
                    Quote: karish
                    there was nothing to eat in the USSR and no one believed in the ideology of the CPSU, don’t tell me, I’ve lived enough in the USSR

                    You do not tell me my boots - there was nothing to eat! There were many times more products in the USSR than in Russia. Last year we only approached the USSR in the production of agricultural products. And overtook the USSR in chicken. But for meat, fish, etc. not yet caught up. In the USSR, all food products relative to salaries were extremely cheap. so cheap that it was economically profitable to bake cattle with baked bread - in the countryside they took 15-20 loaves daily for this (I remember I was stunned - a loaf of gray bread weighing 800 g cost about 3 euros!). There was no normal order in the USSR - yes, but hunger wasn’t close, and ALL the products were absolutely NATURAL. In Israel, they are twice as expensive as usual, but here, in Russia, as always, there is chaos - prices are 10 times more expensive.
                    The USSR collapsed due to the betrayal of the party elite, since equalization, when they had only twice or three times more than ordinary hard workers, did not suit them. They began the game of democracy, flirting with the nationalists on the outskirts, and then, having seized upon the authorities, they gambling and divided among themselves the acquired by the whole Soviet people.
                    The Russian empire also collapsed for internal reasons, because of the betrayal of the elites, but at least the war played a big role in increasing the activity of the masses, and there were external factors in the form of the Entente’s unwillingness to allow Russia to pie in the form of dividends from victory.
                    In the USSR, with the help of the Law on Cooperation, they violated the country's monetary system: non-cash money used for settlements between enterprises could now be converted into cash. Money supply increased at times, and goods - only a dozen or two percent. And this is with regulated prices for everything and everything. Naturally, the most sought-after products and goods from the trade disappeared - they became more expensive to sell outside the trade - free money appeared. And all this led to a total deficit and the card system. But the deficit was artificial - not because of a lack of goods, but because of rush demand and future purchases. The capitalists would simply raise the price - and the deficit would disappear. But in the USSR they didn’t do this in principle, thereby fomenting people's discontent over the lack of goods in trade. It seems that all this was done on purpose, and precisely for the collapse or weakening of the country. hi
                    1. karish
                      karish 13 February 2018 16: 49
                      +1
                      Quote: andj61
                      You do not tell me my boots - there was nothing to eat! There were many times more products in the USSR than in Russia

                      Andrei, in which city did you live in the late 70s?
                      Well, in the late 80s it was already like that everywhere
                      Quote: andj61
                      Last year we only approached the USSR in the production of agricultural products

                      so what, and the range and availability of products can be compared?
                      Quote: andj61
                      In the USSR, all food products relative to salaries were extremely cheap. so cheap that it was economically profitable to bake cattle with baked bread

                      No man lives by bread alone. why is everything measured for bread?
                      Products were not cheap.
                      1 kg of oil cost EMNIP - 2.50, chicken 1.20-2.30 with a salary of 120 rubles - how much you could buy. and how much is 7
                      Prices for manufactured goods are generally neither realistic to compare
                      Quote: andj61
                      The USSR collapsed due to the betrayal of the party elite, since equalization, when they had only twice or three times more than ordinary hard workers, did not suit them.

                      well, people like that belly for the USSR did not tear the same
                      Quote: andj61
                      But the deficit was artificial - not because of a lack of goods, but because of rush demand and future purchases

                      And why ?
                      word deficit only 80s appeared belay
                      1. andj61
                        andj61 13 February 2018 17: 22
                        +5
                        Quote: karish
                        Andrei, in which city did you live in the late 70s?
                        Well, in the late 80s it was already like that everywhere

                        Until 1978, he studied at a school in a small town near Bryansk. 1978-1984 - Moscow. 1984-1987 - near Moscow, now the city of Korolev. Since 1987 - I live in Bryansk. The real shortage of products began in 1987-88. Although - banana oranges could be purchased freely only in large cities.
                        Quote: karish
                        Products were not cheap.

                        There were. Most workers earned more. After the institute at NII-4 MO, as a design engineer, I received 130 (on hand 109) plus thirty for a student every month, plus 30-40 for term papers and students ’payments — this is not monthly, there wasn’t in the summer), plus 45 as a janitor. But my classmates who chose a different path (factory-army-factory) at the same time already received 220-270. My mother, a teacher of Russian language and literature, received about 70 in the late 250s (a sanatorium boarding school - one and a half stakes, notebooks, classroom management - but there was some kind of extra charge because of the school category), a little later she was the head teacher in a regular school plus a teacher - received about the same. My father worked on construction - the head of the RSU - the head of the SMU - the head of the RSU, the order bearer (Trkdovy Red Banner, Lenin, the October Revolution) received more than 350, and the prizes in the 80s were generally very decent - and brought 800-1000 home. After moving to Bryansk in 1987, I had a salary of 220 - about 300 on my hands. Enough for everything without a family. Not enough - could still earn. Since 1989 he became the head of the department in the production association - salary 360. At least 550 in his hands.
                        Quote: karish
                        well, people like that belly for the USSR did not tear the same

                        And then I belonged to the USSR with youthful nihilism. But in the 80s, Gorbachev was so tired of everyone with his chatter that he supported the much worse Yeltsin. And what, the people in the United States for America belly torn when in 2016 the blacks raged? Something I did not notice! bully
                        Quote: karish
                        word deficit only 80s appeared

                        Naturally, before! In a short post, it is impossible to analyze the analysis of the economic system and the phenomena of deficit. And in the USSR, the sensible moments of planning the production of goods were replaced by the absurdity of planning everything and everything, and at least five years ahead. For example, unprofitable enterprises, and with a lack of labor in the country - this is absurd! And they approached everything in the 70s - 80s with the standards of the 30s - 40s, when any shoes or any costume, any goods were in demand. But this is precisely the cost of the dictatorship of the party-state bureaucracy, and not socialism at all. In the USSR, socialism was only in words, in fact, ownership of the means of production did not belong to the people at all, and party-state bureaucrats controlled it. And in addition to the deficit was full of unclaimed and unsold goods. But factories continued to produce such goods: the plan is the main thing!
                        And so they brought the good idea to an absurdity by unsuitable execution. hi
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                      3. jetfors_84
                        jetfors_84 15 February 2018 11: 57
                        0
                        well, people like that belly for the USSR did not tear the same

                        They don’t judge by themselves
                  2. Per se.
                    Per se. 13 February 2018 18: 38
                    +1
                    Quote: karish
                    I lived in the USSR
                    Apparently, not long enough. Best regards, Alexander.
                2. Maki Avellevich
                  Maki Avellevich 14 February 2018 06: 56
                  +1
                  Quote: Per se.
                  here the descendants of Adam and Eve, in general it’s a sin to be offended by the Russians,


                  I’m afraid to ask, are you attaching the Russians to what roots then?
                  1. Per se.
                    Per se. 14 February 2018 07: 36
                    0
                    Quote: Maki Avellievich
                    I'm afraid to ask
                    I am afraid to answer, - not clones created by God, not evolved monkeys, Russians - the soul of God, children of gods. In general, I hoped that they would be treated with humor. In addition, noting the mind and talent of the sons of Israel, I would like to see in them, apart from general mercantile spirit and great spirituality, especially if God really created them (then you will have true happiness and universal love).
                    1. Nulgorod
                      Nulgorod 14 February 2018 17: 06
                      +1
                      God created all people, and he simply regretted the Jews. Once upon a time ...
                      1. Per se.
                        Per se. 15 February 2018 07: 12
                        0
                        Quote: Nulgorod
                        Once upon a time ...
                        God created everything, figured it out, it remains to understand why he created it, and who created God himself.
                    2. lance
                      lance 17 February 2018 20: 35
                      +1
                      I can definitely say with a genetic background, definitely not to the Arab (Jewish)
              4. jhltyjyjctw
                jhltyjyjctw 19 February 2018 08: 44
                0
                The USSR was not an empire. The concept of empire implies the presence of colonies outside the territory of the mother country. And by the way, do not rejoice. “Russia is reproached for being isolated and silent in the face of facts that are not in harmony with either law or justice. They say that Russia is angry. Russia is not angry, Russia is focusing. ” A.M. Gorchakov.
          2. Berber
            Berber 13 February 2018 08: 55
            +10
            Yes, we saw how you "do not touch." Why systematically bomb Syria. The USA pulls you and you go on the occasion. What for?
        2. Chertt
          Chertt 13 February 2018 08: 50
          +7
          Quote: rotmistr60
          Why is it still not mixed with "sand"? Or is Israel so peaceful?

          Israel has never been peaceful. And the territory is not seized, without urgent need, about the same as why Russia does not seize Kiev. Israel will conquer its swarthy neighbors, so they will have to feed them later, but in principle they don’t want and cannot
          1. Spike Javelin Touvich
            Spike Javelin Touvich 13 February 2018 10: 06
            0
            They do not want to work and do not know how.

            But how can people not and do not want outside the Moscow Ring Road, or the reason is different?
            1. Natalia777
              Natalia777 13 February 2018 11: 20
              +4
              So what? Behind the Moscow Ring Road, they also live differently. Entire European villages are being built by the people. A lot and quite cool. The trend has long been. Weaving 2 pieces of bucks - 50 km from Moscow.
              1. Alber
                Alber 13 February 2018 12: 49
                0
                Quote: Natalia777
                So what? Behind the Moscow Ring Road, they also live differently. Entire European villages are being built by the people. A lot and quite cool. The trend has long been. Weaving 2 pieces of bucks - 50 km from Moscow.

                Money to the wind!
                They showed on TV a newly built village near Moscow, the land of which was bought by the Kyrgyz at a price of 20 thousand rubles per one hundred square meters. It is practically for nothing. The Kyrgyz are already being built on their own land. For a long time.
      3. meandr51
        meandr51 13 February 2018 10: 41
        +3
        Endless hours. Since there is a lot of sand, the missiles will run out soon. And now, not only Israel has missiles. And in sufficient quantity. Israel’s use of nuclear weapons will render all lands unsuitable, including Israel itself. In any case, he is finished.
      4. igog
        igog 13 February 2018 11: 25
        +4
        and Israel’s navel will not break loose Iran "mix with sand"?
      5. atakan
        atakan 13 February 2018 12: 34
        +2
        It is sad if they scatter the world from under a sneaker, then they got everyone out with their Zionism and God's chosen people, but how bad it will be if they scatter around the world and strengthen their faction in all governments. The world will definitely be bent from such a pill.
      6. KaPToC
        KaPToC 13 February 2018 21: 42
        +1
        Quote: Chertt
        What do you think, how many hours will Israel need to stop all the “distributions” and mix the “distributors” with sand.

        Alas, Israel cannot handle Iran.
    2. karish
      karish 13 February 2018 08: 00
      +3
      Quote: VERESK
      In light of recent events, I think Israel began to rush

      Come on . laughing
      Quote: VERESK
      It will be sad if the distribution from three sides arrives

      is it from whom?
      Lebanon Syria Iran? laughing
      1. jhltyjyjctw
        jhltyjyjctw 19 February 2018 09: 30
        0
        Quote: karish
        is it from whom?


        With all due respect to the Israeli army, your army has not had a worthy adversary throughout its history. This is a western type of army very sensitive to losses. You have created an aura of invincibility, so to speak, of the brand of an all-devastating, technological and efficient military machine. This is your Achilles heel. What will happen if Syrian air defense crashes not just one or two planes, but 20-30 (which I sincerely do not want, I just assume) if the losses become, so to speak, unacceptable? The presence of the Russian Armed Forces extremely limits the capabilities of the Israeli Armed Forces. This is a given that no one will ignore after the brilliant Syrian company of the RF Armed Forces. You may not be pleased to realize that Israel is not an ally of the United States, but a satellite. The United States, by definition, has no allies, whether you like it or not. Of course, no one will invade Israel. But the fact of Israel’s loss of the position of regional hegemon, in my opinion, will be tantamount to defeat ...
    3. siberalt
      siberalt 13 February 2018 09: 11
      +6
      How can Israel rub against Iran if they don’t have a common border? belay Before Israel, the BV was calmer.
      1. avt
        avt 13 February 2018 09: 40
        +3
        Quote: siberalt
        How can Israel rub against Iran if they don’t have a common border?

        Azochenway! Now, after the US scam, Suria still has it. Actually, the sinful Az already wrote about entom and more than once in correspondence with ,, Professor "But
        A Stirlitz
        replies: "Nonsense, everything is fine, things are developing normally." Love to
        homeland and the Fuhrer is not to blindly lie to friends
        work ... I asked myself: "But is he a blockhead?" We have a lot of dumbasses
        who thoughtlessly repeat Goebbels’s gibberish. No, he is not a boob.
        Why is he "then insincere? Or does he not believe anyone, or is he something
        afraid, or he is up to something and wants to be crystal clear.
        The latter is completely ... apotheosis, the Kurds will defeat, because there are so many of them and they multiply quickly. wassat So
        We introduce the word to Mr. Professor ...
        Do not flatter yourself. bully No one can be trusted. I can.
        1. Evil543
          Evil543 13 February 2018 09: 54
          +1
          . "No one to be trusted."
          I know, passed laughing
      2. andj61
        andj61 13 February 2018 10: 03
        +4
        Quote: siberalt
        How can Israel rub against Iran if they don’t have a common border? belay Before Israel, the BV was calmer.

        Before Israel, BV was occupied by England and France for about 30 years, and before that, for several centuries (specifically this region was annexed by Sultan Selim 1 at the beginning of the 16th century) it was part of the Ottoman Empire. Previously, there was no peace on this earth either - and Rome conquered it, and it belonged to Greater Armenia, and Byzantium owned it, and Arabs conquered it, and this region was also the arena of struggle during the crusades of 11-13 centuries.
        And Israel at that time did not exist at all. So maybe the reason for the region’s anxiety in another? For example, in that the interests of three great religions and many nations are locked in it? what hi
    4. Maz
      Maz 13 February 2018 18: 52
      0
      Yah. You say that as if Israel is not part of the United States and NATO. And that is how it should be considered. The United States (and NATO) will not rush about - it will crush everyone who is not with them and that's it. And the blathering is drowned out.
      1. jhltyjyjctw
        jhltyjyjctw 19 February 2018 09: 35
        0
        Quote: Maz
        The United States (and NATO) will not rush about - it will crush everyone who is not with them and that's it. And the blathering is drowned out.


        How? They will beat Damascus and throw the Russians into the Mediterranean Sea?
  2. Albatroz
    Albatroz 13 February 2018 07: 25
    +6
    Russians have already saved Israel
    Once upon a Time
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 13 February 2018 07: 27
      +10
      Quote: Albatroz
      Russians have already saved Israel
      Once upon a Time

      first, helped create ...
      1. Albatroz
        Albatroz 13 February 2018 07: 29
        +2
        Here I am about that
        And this is the main thing
      2. karish
        karish 13 February 2018 08: 01
        +2
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        Quote: Albatroz
        Russians have already saved Israel
        Once upon a Time

        first, helped create ...

        Hi Andrey - and then?
        1. Nulgorod
          Nulgorod 14 February 2018 17: 09
          +2
          And then you became a US military colony.
  3. Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 13 February 2018 07: 47
    +3
    Quote: VERESK
    In light of recent events, I think Israel began to rush for a simple reason, there is no hope for the United States. “Hegemonic” for the satellite will not come up. It will be sad if the distribution comes from three sides. It's a pity people. And, after all, "a fairy tale is a lie, but a hint in it" -Guys, let's live together. Do not want to-this is not only your problems! We still have to dig into for you. Where are your states? Help- "wait for an answer" .

    While we do not need help. request Our Air Force was somewhat offended.

    As a result of a series of attacks by the Israeli Air Force:
    - disabled Syrian air defense systems,
    - only at the largest base - T4 - all Syrian runways were destroyed. The control tower at the base is blown up.
    According to the Syrian opposition, the Syrian Air Force practically did not fly after the Israeli attacks.
    - Strikes were carried out on four Iranian bases in Syria. The first was inflicted on the Syrian Air Force Mezza base in Damascus. It houses advisers to the corps of guards of the Islamic Revolution of Iran.
    The attack was on Iranian warehouses at the base of al-Kiswa, and on the military base of Tel Abu Talab, south of Damascus, which is also used by the Iranian military.
    - attacks were made on Syrian targets - on the base of al-Kiswa, on a military base in a-Dimas, in the northeastern part of the province of Damascus, and on a military base Madaya.
    - The base of the 16 division in the mountains of Kalamun was hit. It houses air defense batteries, the base of the Syrian Republican Guard south of Damascus,
    - in military warehouses based on the 156-th division in Deraa,
    - the base of the 79 and 89 th divisions in Daraa, near the border with Jordan and Syria, - the base of the 175 th division.


    1. Evil543
      Evil543 13 February 2018 08: 10
      +1
      Well, if I were in your place, I would not trust the Syrian opposition very much, to be honest, those are still swallows.
      1. karish
        karish 13 February 2018 08: 16
        +3
        Quote: Evil543
        Well, if I were in your place, I would not trust the Syrian opposition very much, to be honest, those are still swallows.

        We wish success to both parties to the conflict. laughing
        1. Natalia777
          Natalia777 13 February 2018 11: 38
          +3
          Your wishes have already been covered with a copper basin. ISIS is almost destroyed, the United States is pressed against the wall, the Kurds are taught the mind. I hope that soon there will be peace and autocracy in Syria.
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            1. Nulgorod
              Nulgorod 13 February 2018 16: 57
              +1
              Quote: karish
              Is Syria Peace Already?

              Unfortunately for you, it didn’t fall apart request
              Quote: karish
              come on

              Seriously, they are at the line of a direct declaration of war, otherwise they cannot hold their positions. And there, before the global conflict: half a step. sad
              Quote: karish
              ... richer in thought

              ... and strong cuffs. Kurds either grow wiser or disappear. And autocracy will recover sooner or later. But you, of course, prefer late (never).
              1. karish
                karish 13 February 2018 22: 13
                +1
                Quote: Nulgorod
                Quote: karish
                Is Syria Peace Already?

                Unfortunately for you, it didn’t fall apart request
                Quote: karish
                come on

                Seriously, they are at the line of a direct declaration of war, otherwise they cannot hold their positions. And there, before the global conflict: half a step. sad
                Quote: karish
                ... richer in thought

                ... and strong cuffs. Kurds either grow wiser or disappear. And autocracy will recover sooner or later. But you, of course, prefer late (never).

                such nonsense, excuse me, it’s necessary not to know the situation in the region so much. request
                1. Nulgorod
                  Nulgorod 14 February 2018 16: 55
                  0
                  Delirium, not delirium, but this is what is on the surface. Assad is still holding on; the Arab Spring plan has failed, although not completely. The war is far from over, but without direct intervention, neither you nor the United States will be able to turn it in your favor.
                  PS Your interests are not obvious only to a clinical idiot, you yourself constantly remind them of them. laughing
    2. Mar.Tirah
      Mar.Tirah 13 February 2018 08: 18
      +2
      So far, the destruction of some drone has been documented, and F-16. The rest, excuse the yellow liquid. Show the video confirmation, but not from computer games. How does the opposition. And how does the Russian Ministry of Defense.
      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 13 February 2018 08: 58
        +2
        Quote: Mar. Tira
        So far, the destruction of some drone has been documented, and F-16. The rest, excuse the yellow liquid. Show the video confirmation, but not from computer games. How does the opposition. And how does the Russian Ministry of Defense.

        And will you find a video or photo of the Syrian air defense destroyed in the 1982 year? Well, the Syrians do not like to publish reports on their losses. They are not worse than you and me.
        1. Mar.Tirah
          Mar.Tirah 13 February 2018 09: 05
          +3
          Weak excuse. Compare the 1982 year and the 2018 year, in terms of video recording. The truth is somewhere in between.
          1. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 13 February 2018 09: 36
            +1
            Quote: Mar. Tira
            Weak excuse. Compare the 1982 year and the 2018 year, in terms of video recording. The truth is somewhere in between.

            Oh sure. Here are the remnants of Syrian air defense missiles photographed in Israel, Lebanon and Jordan. Where are the photos from Syria of Israeli rockets and bombs?
      2. parma
        parma 13 February 2018 12: 50
        +2
        Um ... Excuse me Dear, but unfortunately for us it is the Russian Ministry of Defense that publishes video from games and gives out shooting colonies, videos of 10 years ago from an American helicopter for the work of our aerospace forces .. I haven’t confessed the Israelites fake, don’t admit it yes, they can always, but they’re not noticed in a lie ...
        PS: Israel does not need a mediator to protect against Iran, and even less from Syria or hez, but simply to avoid conflict, because if kosher partners take Syria seriously, we will have to intervene and we ourselves don’t want to do this (well, or Jews hope for adequacy our tops) ...
        1. Nulgorod
          Nulgorod 13 February 2018 16: 50
          0
          And Americans are very sinful. Well there: tubes with toothpaste ... Not caught, not a thief. Jews are cunning, you need to look good wink
        2. gaura
          gaura 16 February 2018 06: 14
          0
          Recall how in the 14 year, the Americans sculpted "evidence" of the passage of Russian tanks across the border with the Donbass? Shooting combines and video from games. The Russian Defense Ministry, with the show, seems to have been a big set up because it was done before a serious run over the United States in terms of helping terrorists. Such statements are prepared in advance and materials are selected weighed. Around the enemies and spies. even in mo request
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    4. Okolotochny
      Okolotochny 13 February 2018 22: 05
      +4
      Aron, where are the "proofs" of the answer?
    5. jhltyjyjctw
      jhltyjyjctw 19 February 2018 09: 37
      0
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      Our Air Force was somewhat offended.


      And then the Israeli leader explained to the GDP that there was no more resentment.
  4. Hurricane70
    Hurricane70 13 February 2018 07: 55
    +6
    Quote: Chertt
    Quote: VERESK
    . It will be sad if the distribution from three sides arrives

    You are a realist. How many hours do you think Israel will need to stop all the "distributions" and mix the "distributors" with sand. Israel does not need to be saved. But the Muslim neighbors of Israel, if anything, have to save

    Oh how arrogant you are !!! In one thing, you are right - Israel does not need to be saved, especially Russian. Never and under no circumstances !!!
    1. karish
      karish 13 February 2018 08: 02
      +2
      Quote: Hurricane70
      In one thing, you are right - Israel does not need to be saved, especially Russian. Never and under no circumstances !!!

      Here I am about that, we really like something ourselves. good
      1. Natalia777
        Natalia777 13 February 2018 11: 44
        +1
        If God wants to punish, then deprives the mind. The trouble awaits elsewhere - inside. Svidomo penguins breed uncontrollably.
      2. Nulgorod
        Nulgorod 13 February 2018 16: 40
        0
        It would be nice if you paid for your rather big army yourself, but this is lyrics winked
    2. midivan
      midivan 13 February 2018 09: 42
      +2
      Quote: Hurricane70
      In one thing, you are right - Israel does not need to be saved, especially Russian. Never and under no circumstances !!!

      Well, for some reason, it’s possible to save, I have a proposal - to provide military enlistment offices (recruiting stations) and their data on “fellow countrymen of Israel” between the ages of 18 and 45, to provide full assistance in the appeal of volunteers and persons of military duty, let them prove that they are real Jews, otherwise they can knock on the chest on the TV.
  5. Hurricane70
    Hurricane70 13 February 2018 07: 59
    +10
    Quote: Chertt
    But at present, the Israeli Armed Forces are more efficient than all the neighbors' armies combined

    The bragging of the Jew, it’s like a Polish ambition - both disappear only after a good thrashing!
    1. karish
      karish 13 February 2018 08: 09
      +1
      Quote: Hurricane70
      The bragging of the Jew, it’s like a Polish ambition - both disappear only after a good thrashing!

      And when does Russian bragging disappear?
      1. Talalikhin
        Talalikhin 13 February 2018 08: 44
        +5
        Never, unfortunately.) We grip our teeth, take a break in the field, and those who survive and win continue to boast.)
        1. brigadier
          brigadier 13 February 2018 09: 53
          +3
          Wake up, dear.
          That's what ORT1 and Russia24 are doing ...
          In the Second World War, if you want to give as an example, all the peoples of the USSR fought - not only the Russians, although there were most of them - for obvious reasons. All together, clenched their teeth, and won.
          1. Natalia777
            Natalia777 13 February 2018 11: 48
            +3
            ORT has nothing to do with it. It’s bad to bomb neighbors - every normal person understands this without ORT.
            1. brigadier
              brigadier 13 February 2018 13: 57
              +1
              The war with neighbors since 1948. It has not yet ended. No peace treaty has been concluded.
              The neighbors / enemies with whom we are at war launched a drone into our territory. This is not an act of aggression ??
              The drone was shot down, its control point was bombed. Pay attention, young lady, there wouldn’t be a drone that penetrated our airspace - there would be no bombing. Causal relationship.
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          3. Okolotochny
            Okolotochny 13 February 2018 22: 09
            +5
            Yes, you wake up, translate everything into nationality, the Jewish line or what? Russian is not a nationality, a person wrote to you for your worldview, state of mind. However, you do not understand this.
      2. Mestny
        Mestny 13 February 2018 10: 02
        +7
        Yes, what bragging is there. Most Russians tend to vehemently criticize all of their own. The very fact that on a Russian-language site pouring mud on Russians from one interesting nation does not cause any aggressive reaction already says a lot, in terms of bragging.
        So then for this it is supposed to drive ss..ny rags immediately. And we are nothing ... politely react. Till.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 13 February 2018 14: 44
          +8
          Quote: Mestny
          So then for this it is supposed to drive ss..ny rags immediately. And we are nothing ... politely react. Till.

          Well, the Israelis adhere to their interests, and do the right thing. On a Russian-language site, not only Jews are sitting with Russians, but also representatives of other nationalities ... so do you need to drive all of them with rags .. by the rags?
          So for reference, in Israel on May 9 it was approved as a public holiday, as well as a religious one. Notice not 8 both in the EU and the USA. Maybe we have more in common than you think?
          1. Nulgorod
            Nulgorod 13 February 2018 16: 37
            0
            Yeah, the total is not enough, given how many Russians moved there to live in due time. Only this does not cancel the impudence and the need to punish him.
      3. petyaivolk
        petyaivolk 13 February 2018 11: 17
        +1
        Quote: karish
        And when does Russian bragging disappear?

        Oh well done, right in the nine planted! Well gripped about the bragging of the Jew and the Polish ambition laughing
        World Mind Confuses Something winked
      4. jhltyjyjctw
        jhltyjyjctw 19 February 2018 09: 41
        0
        Quote: karish
        And when does Russian bragging disappear?


        Give an example of Russian bragging. Do not be empty.
  6. Crane operator Nahamkinson
    Crane operator Nahamkinson 13 February 2018 08: 08
    +7
    Save Israel !?
    You sho!
    But what about the statement of one ....
    We will turn Russia
    into the desert.
    Populated by white negroes.
    Which we give such tyranny.
    And so on ...
    And then save ...
    Moreover, given the trace they left in Russia.
  7. omit
    omit 13 February 2018 08: 39
    +1
    "However, the fighter crashed in northern Syria, falling under attack from Syrian air defense"

    But he fell in the north of Israel. Non-connection. So, after hitting, he flew all over Syria. I don’t believe it. But there’s no exact information. When we’ll talk then. Now about the help of Russia to Israel. There wasn’t, there won’t be and will not. - to accumulate shells. And to strengthen defense forces. Everything.
    1. kenig1
      kenig1 13 February 2018 09: 33
      +7
      "Flew all over Syria," the Jews bombed Turkey?)))
    2. Mestny
      Mestny 13 February 2018 10: 04
      +1
      And even if there is or will be - you will still be unhappy, and will yell that "no, it was not and will not be."
    3. jhltyjyjctw
      jhltyjyjctw 19 February 2018 10: 28
      0
      Quote: omit
      Now about the help of Russia to Israel. It was not, is not and will not be.


      You probably belong to the neophytes from history, it is now in demand in Ukraine and the West in general. Especially interesting about the "was not." I agree with “no” and “will not”. We do not need it. There is no time to analyze and quote serious scholars, here is Wikipedia: Stalin's Middle East policy was built in such a way as to expel Britain from a strategically important region and, if possible, take its place. It was this that determined the support of the struggle of the Palestinian Jews against the British Mandate for their national independence. Historian Dmitry Mosyakov believes that the Soviet initiators of this policy hoped that Israel, led by immigrants from the Russian Bund, would become a center of socialism in the Middle East controlled by Moscow, as opposed to Arab regimes oriented to the West [76]. Assistant V.M. Molotova M. Vetrov (later the Soviet ambassador in Denmark) notes the words of Stalin: “Let's agree with the formation of Israel. It will be like an awl in the ass for the Arab states and make them turn their backs on Britain. Ultimately, British influence will be completely undermined in Egypt, Syria, Turkey and Iraq. ” Serious disagreements existed among the US political elite on this issue, and as a result, the decisive role was played by the personal position of President Harry Truman, who, in order to decide on the creation of Israel, went into direct conflict with the leadership of the Department of State. Many employees of the Department of State, led by Secretary of State George Marshall, feared that explicit support for the Jewish state would result in the USSR acting as an ally to Arab countries and gaining wide access to the region. As First Secretary of Defense James Forrestal told President Truman, “You simply don’t realize that there are 40 million Arabs and 400 thousand Jews. Millions of Arabs will prevail over thousands of Jews. Oil is the side we should be on. ” As you see, naked pragmatism is everywhere. Nothing personal - just business. On the issue of arms supplies: “Who knows,” Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir recalled, “we would not have been able to withstand the weapons and ammunition that we could purchase in Czechoslovakia and transport through Yugoslavia and other Balkan countries in those dark days.” war until the situation changed in June of the forty-eighth year? ” Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia were independent in 1948? ..
  8. flicker
    flicker 13 February 2018 08: 42
    +3
    Saving the drowning is the work of the drowning.
  9. Professor
    Professor 13 February 2018 08: 47
    +5
    According to Ofer Salzberg of the International Crisis Group (International Crisis Group), the only power in Syria that is able to negotiate on new agreements on mutual understanding and reducing the risk of major confrontation, is Russia.

    Ofer again? The journalist of the far left newspaper is now the most quoted expert?

    1. War in the North is inevitable.
    2. Russia does not have the means to mediate. She has no leverage on the parties. Everything.
    1. Evil543
      Evil543 13 February 2018 08: 54
      0
      "Again Ofer? Journalist of the far left newspaper is now the most quoted expert?"

      You and cards in your hands, nominate your experts to us. The more experts the better, the truth is somewhere in between.
      1. Professor
        Professor 13 February 2018 11: 23
        +1
        Quote: Evil543
        "Again Ofer? Journalist of the far left newspaper is now the most quoted expert?"

        You and cards in your hands, nominate your experts to us. The more experts the better, the truth is somewhere in between.

        http://www.newsru.co.il/israel/13feb2018/ben_reuv
        en_701.html

        Quote: Himdym
        Why is this categorical? yes, war is very possible, but Iran, if it falls into this batch, is not Syria disassembled by the civil war or Lebanon 80's torn by internal contradictions. What for such risks? Well, if Haifa pretty much got 10 years ago, now the northern industrial hub from Kiryat Yam to Nahariya will be destroyed with almost 100% probability.

        I live less than 10 to the Lebanese border and see Hezbollah towers without binoculars and I do not want war at all, but unfortunately it is inevitable. We will get from Hezbalon missiles, but Lebanon will get orders of magnitude more. Of course, no one of our industrial zones will be destroyed, but the damage will be significant.

        Quote: Himdym
        As for the means for mediation, it’s important to understand here that the mediator is not only a person with a Colt, but also a person with nishtyaks in a duffel bag, and the Arabs are nishtyaks (that loans, at least contracts for weapons, at least for nuclear power plants, even at the CHP plant, that providing their markets with acceptable, if not zero duties) oh, how they will not hurt!

        Russia does not have money to hand out gingerbread cookies. Ask Medvedev.
        1. Nulgorod
          Nulgorod 13 February 2018 16: 35
          0
          Who is Medvedev? Where did the money suddenly disappear?
    2. Himdym
      Himdym 13 February 2018 09: 42
      0
      Why is this categorical? yes, war is very possible, but Iran, if it falls into this batch, is not Syria disassembled by the civil war or Lebanon 80's torn by internal contradictions. What for such risks? Well, if Haifa pretty much got 10 years ago, now the northern industrial hub from Kiryat Yam to Nahariya will be destroyed with almost 100% probability.
      As for the means for mediation, it’s important to understand here that the mediator is not only a person with a Colt, but also a person with nishtyaks in a duffel bag, and the Arabs are nishtyaks (that loans, at least contracts for weapons, at least for nuclear power plants, even at the CHP plant, that providing their markets with acceptable, if not zero duties) oh, how they will not hurt!
      1. Aspid 57
        Aspid 57 13 February 2018 09: 59
        +1
        This is how it will be with absolute probability that they will destroy the industrial hub?
        1. Himdym
          Himdym 19 February 2018 10: 37
          0
          with a particular batch - missiles, of which Iran has plenty.
    3. Nulgorod
      Nulgorod 14 February 2018 17: 13
      0
      I agree with the first, because you are vitally interested in it. Only a fool agrees with the second: after the victory over ISIS, we still have no influence on anything? lol
    4. jhltyjyjctw
      jhltyjyjctw 19 February 2018 10: 40
      0
      Quote: Professor
      Russia does not have the means to mediate. She has no leverage on the parties. All.


      1. Russia is in Syria. Her interests cannot be ignored. So believes the leadership of Israel as well.
      2. The presence of the RF Armed Forces in Syria is a fulcrum in order to turn the situation in the region in a way that will be beneficial to Russia. This does not suit someone.
      3. "Everything" is the final opinion of a thought giant and expert expert?
  10. Ascetic
    Ascetic 13 February 2018 09: 04
    +5
    The Israeli Air Force fighter managed to bring down an Iranian UAV launched from Syria. However, the fighter crashed in northern Syria, falling under attack from Syrian air defense.

    An interesting movie ... Previously, there was infa that the drone shot down an Israeli helicopter, after which the Israeli Air Force raided. The inconsistency is obtained ... An article of the next grief-analyst, Russia is already constantly coordinating actions with all parties, including Israel, but does not strive to become a guarantor of whose security either Assad or especially Israel, which at the moment is capable of not only protecting itself but also pursue an aggressive policy in the region. By and large, one must not defend Israel, but periodically cool the ardor of the hot Israeli guys.
    I, as an amateur, are interested in the question, why does Israel not use strike UAVs for air operations? Probably believe that nothing threatens the pilots?
    1. Professor
      Professor 13 February 2018 14: 27
      +1
      Quote: Ascetic
      I, as an amateur, are interested in the question, why does Israel not use strike UAVs for air operations? Probably believe that nothing threatens the pilots?

      Does Israel have shock drones? At least officially?
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 13 February 2018 16: 38
        +3
        Quote: Professor
        Does Israel have shock drones? At least officially?

        One know Harop, allegedly used by the Azerbaijani side in Karabakh.
        Spike Israeli drones and missile systems in Nagorno-Karabakh
        1. Professor
          Professor 13 February 2018 19: 57
          +1
          Quote: Ascetic
          One know Harop, allegedly used by the Azerbaijani side in Karabakh.

          So it’s in Azerbaijan, not ours. Terrorists out there and penny drones make shock.


          Harop, by the way, is a barrage of ammunition, not an impact drone.
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic 13 February 2018 23: 36
            +3
            Quote: Professor
            Harop, by the way, is a barrage of ammunition, not an impact drone.

            You can call a kamikaze drone and a one-time UAV and a light-class projectile, but still Harop is more commonly referred to as an UAV. But HERO-400EC is a typical ammunition,
            The smallest three-kilogram portable electric system Hero-30 can barrage just half an hour and carries a half-kilogram warhead. The most recent development is the 40-pound all-electric Hero-400EC, which replaced the gas-powered Hero-400. The new ammunition has a maximum range of 150 km, is able to stay in the air for at least two hours, and a 10-pound warhead allows you to hit a wide variety of targets.

            1. Professor
              Professor 14 February 2018 09: 58
              0
              Quote: Ascetic
              You can call a kamikaze drone and a one-time UAV and a light-class projectile, but still Harop is more commonly referred to as an UAV. But HERO-400EC is a typical ammunition,

              Caliber and Tomahawk are also UAVs? You, comrade political officer, have beguiled Haropa. There is such a drone and there is such a barrage of ammunition.
              What AOI dolbanula Arabs is not clear even from this video:
      2. Nulgorod
        Nulgorod 14 February 2018 17: 15
        0
        Do you have nuclear weapons? Unofficially?
      3. jhltyjyjctw
        jhltyjyjctw 19 February 2018 10: 41
        0
        Quote: Professor
        Does Israel have shock drones? At least officially?


        Israel has everything, and the best in the world. Unique.
  11. Aspid 57
    Aspid 57 13 February 2018 09: 14
    +1
    M ... yes ... It is interesting that he shook Netanyahu from Putin for not destroying Syrian air defense to zero?
    1. flicker
      flicker 13 February 2018 09: 47
      +2
      that shook Netanyahu from Putin
      Indeed, he spoke about his plight, which was clearly stated by his Likud party ally, Deputy Foreign Minister Tzipi Hotoveli: “In an interview with i24news, Hotoveli stated that US Jews do not understand Israel,” because they never sent their children fight for the motherland. ”The deputy foreign minister added, that the site at the western wall is usually emptybecause “these people never come here.” “After which,” the Jewish community of the United States reacted with harsh criticism “...” Representatives of the reformist movement called on Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu fire Hotoveliand President of the World Jewish Congress Ronald Lauder emphasized that "insults to the Jews of the diaspora by the official representative of Israel are unacceptable."
      ““ If an American politician said this, we would not hesitate to call his statement anti-Semitic. In any case, these statements testify to the monstrous ignorance of the Deputy Foreign Minister, ”said Rabbi Rick Jacobs, president of the reformist movement. He called on Netanyahu dismiss immediately Wanted. "
      Netanyahu Hotoveli condemned but not fired, which indicates his solidarity with the position of Hotoveli.
      Well, in conclusion, Hotoveli posted a video message on her Facebook page in Hebrew “To the American brothers,” in which she says how dear they are to her, how important the dialogue with American Jewish youth is for her, for which she came to America, and adds that her words were taken out of context. “I really hope that my words did not offend single soldierserving in the IDF because they were not addressed to them in any way, ”Hotoveli emphasized.
      Z.Y. What Netanyahu (more broadly: Likud) says through the mouth of Hotoveli: that they are disturbed by the indifference of the US Jewish diaspora to the fate of Israel. In this context: what can Netanyahu Putin ask for?
      1. Evil543
        Evil543 13 February 2018 10: 19
        +2
        "Z. What does Netanyahu (more broadly: Likud) say through Hotoveli’s lips: what do they care about the indifference of the Jewish diaspora of the USA to the fate of Israel. In this context: what can Netanyahu Putin ask for?"

        Is it possible that Putin sent Jews from Russia to serve in the Israeli army? belay
        1. flicker
          flicker 13 February 2018 10: 40
          +2
          Is it possible that Putin sent Jews from Russia to serve in the Israeli army? belay
          smile do not scare our Jews smile
          It is likely to influence the reaction and actions of Iran, and through the latter to Hezbollah.
        2. igor67
          igor67 13 February 2018 18: 40
          +1
          Quote: Evil543
          "Z. What does Netanyahu (more broadly: Likud) say through Hotoveli’s lips: what do they care about the indifference of the Jewish diaspora of the USA to the fate of Israel. In this context: what can Netanyahu Putin ask for?"

          Is it possible that Putin sent Jews from Russia to serve in the Israeli army? belay

          Putin has nothing to do with it, and the IDF really does make a lot of loners from Russia, they have a great-grandfather a Jew, that is, they are not legally repatriated, and after serving in the army, please. When my daughter took the oath, there were only two hundred people from Russia
          1. Okolotochny
            Okolotochny 13 February 2018 22: 12
            +4
            Colleague, what is the concept of a “loner from Russia”? Simple to understand.
            1. igor67
              igor67 14 February 2018 19: 08
              0
              Quote: Okolotochny
              Colleague, what is the concept of a “loner from Russia”? Simple to understand.

              parents of these children are not entitled to repatriation
    2. Mestny
      Mestny 13 February 2018 10: 06
      +1
      But could he do that?
      Keep in mind - you will not find anywhere else but Israel in a more deceitful, boastful and aggressive rhetoric in the press.
    3. jhltyjyjctw
      jhltyjyjctw 19 February 2018 10: 47
      0
      Quote: Aspid 57
      M ... yes ... It is interesting that he shook Netanyahu from Putin for not destroying Syrian air defense to zero?


      I believe the next white-star raid will show everyone that Syria’s air defense is zero. If not zero, then I am not strong in fractions.
  12. Horst78
    Horst78 13 February 2018 09: 23
    +4
    In recent years, Israel has driven itself into a “cesspool” with its attacks on the back of Syria and the support of terrorists. And now he hopes for Russia? No, yourself.
    1. Aspid 57
      Aspid 57 13 February 2018 09: 43
      0
      Israelis are no less indignant at Russia's support for Hezbollah terrorists! And if they supported ISIS, now ISIS would be in Damascus, not Assad.
      1. Nulgorod
        Nulgorod 13 February 2018 16: 30
        0
        Oh how! Do not overestimate Israel: supported, very supported. But it only recently fell to open intervention, when there was a threat that Syria could defend its integrity and independence wink
      2. KaPToC
        KaPToC 13 February 2018 22: 47
        +1
        Quote: Aspid 57
        And if they supported ISIS, now ISIS would be in Damascus, not Assad.

        If Russia supported Hezbollah, then this same hezbollah would have sat in Tel Aviv for a long time.
    2. karish
      karish 13 February 2018 11: 00
      +2
      Quote: Horst78
      In recent years, Israel has driven itself into a “cesspool” with its attacks on the back of Syria and the support of terrorists. And now he hopes for Russia? No, yourself.

      are we in the cesspool?
      didn’t the coast get caught there?
      1. jhltyjyjctw
        jhltyjyjctw 19 February 2018 10: 50
        0
        Quote: karish
        are we in the cesspool?


        Do not swear. Cesspools are comfortable and safe. Sometimes the trench, where courageous people sit, is like a cesspool. War is unscrupulous.
  13. Vard
    Vard 13 February 2018 09: 38
    0
    There is such an expression ... Teach the materiel .. This is about the author of the article ....
  14. Igor Anatolievich
    Igor Anatolievich 13 February 2018 10: 36
    +2
    Israel has done so much nasty things. What else was missing. Let them save themselves.
    1. karish
      karish 13 February 2018 10: 59
      +2
      .check what was missing. Let yourself save yourself. [/ quote]

      Thank you, good man.
      one of the few adequate posts
  15. _Jack_
    _Jack_ 13 February 2018 10: 40
    +1
    Is Israel to be saved? Rather, his opponents need to be saved.
  16. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 13 February 2018 10: 50
    +4
    Dear Rescuers! Please do not save us. Do not be like pioneers transferring grandmothers across the road. Grandmothers do not need, and even underground passages at each intersection.
    1. KaPToC
      KaPToC 13 February 2018 22: 55
      +2
      Quote: A. Privalov
      Dear Rescuers! Please do not save us.

      You just do not understand the meaning of the word "save." Here the Americans have already saved Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Yugoslavia, now Syria is being saved.
      And what is needed for "salvation"? A no-fly zone over the "rescued" country, humanitarian bombing and rescue intervention of any rabble called terrorist fighters against the regime.
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 14 February 2018 11: 24
        +1
        Share your sarcasm.
        My appeal to the Rescuers all colors and shades any degree of interest and neutrality. But especially, it refers to those Rescuers who, with more than half a century with one hand, generously feed and support our destroyers, while trying to extend the other compulsively to us, ostensibly for help.
        1. jhltyjyjctw
          jhltyjyjctw 19 February 2018 10: 57
          0
          Quote: A. Privalov
          But especially, it refers to those Rescuers who, with more than half a century with one hand, generously feed and support our destroyers, while trying to extend the other compulsively to us, ostensibly for help.


          Israel is a stronghold of humanism, historical justice and moral integrity. There are still places to put. "The cold policy of national interests". W. Churchill.
          1. A. Privalov
            A. Privalov 19 February 2018 14: 20
            0
            Quote: jhltyjyjctw
            Quote: A. Privalov
            But especially, it refers to those Rescuers who, with more than half a century with one hand, generously feed and support our destroyers, while trying to extend the other compulsively to us, ostensibly for help.


            Israel is a stronghold of humanism, historical justice and moral integrity. There are still places to put. "The cold policy of national interests". W. Churchill.

            That's right! And there is nothing to him in the rescuers / helpers to stuff. good
  17. Natalia777
    Natalia777 13 February 2018 10: 54
    +2
    Why is Israel bombing the territory of Syria? Is Israel also outraged when Syria defends itself against Israeli bombs ?! Something is not right with the Israeli military. Russia must adhere to its position - to destroy ISIS in Syria and all ISIS accomplices. Regardless of their belonging to the "great" and "chosen" countries and peoples. Of course, Russia should act as a mediator to prevent the conflict from escalating. No one else.
  18. Shkodnick
    Shkodnick 13 February 2018 10: 55
    +1
    to fly and bomb objects with impunity in Syria, and as soon as they get the answer, they’ll immediately look for a pickup device, and most likely, on conditions of further visit to the “Pobombit” site
    1. karish
      karish 13 February 2018 10: 57
      +3
      Quote: Shkodnick
      to fly and bomb objects with impunity in Syria, and as soon as they get the answer, they’ll immediately look for a pickup device, and most likely, on conditions of further visit to the “Pobombit” site

      In my opinion, it’s you who are trying to get into the saviors - we certainly didn’t ask you
  19. Natalia777
    Natalia777 13 February 2018 11: 01
    0
    Quote: Aaron Zawi
    Quote: Nulgorod
    And how long can she fight with everyone combined? A quick war this time will not work.

    Who with you?

    I think we are talking about Syria, Iran and Palestine.
    1. karish
      karish 13 February 2018 11: 09
      +1
      Quote: Natalia777
      Quote: Aaron Zawi
      Quote: Nulgorod
      And how long can she fight with everyone combined? A quick war this time will not work.

      Who with you?

      I think we are talking about Syria, Iran and Palestine.

      yes it’s funny.
      Palestine and Syria belay
      who is that?
      Iran? from Iran and others at least 1500 km from us - well, how will he fight?
  20. Natalia777
    Natalia777 13 February 2018 11: 03
    0
    Quote: VERESK
    In light of recent events, I think Israel began to rush for a simple reason, there is no hope for the United States. “Hegemonic” for the satellite will not come up. It will be sad if the distribution comes from three sides. It's a pity people. And, after all, "a fairy tale is a lie, but a hint in it" -Guys, let's live together. Do not want to-this is not only your problems! We still have to dig into for you. Where are your states? Help- "wait for an answer" .

    It is still unknown who pays for the music and who is the main one in the conflicts in the Middle East - "Hegemonic" or "Chosen".
  21. Radikal
    Radikal 13 February 2018 11: 25
    +3
    Will Russians save Israel?
    But why? wassat
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  23. Radikal
    Radikal 13 February 2018 11: 29
    +4
    Israel does not seek escalation, experts say
    ... but does bombing attacks regularly! sad
    1. jhltyjyjctw
      jhltyjyjctw 19 February 2018 11: 01
      0
      Quote: Radikal
      Israel does not seek escalation, experts say


      They brutally shell our planes that peacefully bomb their damned cities
  24. Natalia777
    Natalia777 13 February 2018 11: 31
    0
    Quote: Aaron Zawi
    Quote: VERESK
    In light of recent events, I think Israel began to rush for a simple reason, there is no hope for the United States. “Hegemonic” for the satellite will not come up. It will be sad if the distribution comes from three sides. It's a pity people. And, after all, "a fairy tale is a lie, but a hint in it" -Guys, let's live together. Do not want to-this is not only your problems! We still have to dig into for you. Where are your states? Help- "wait for an answer" .

    While we do not need help. request Our Air Force was somewhat offended.

    As a result of a series of attacks by the Israeli Air Force:
    - disabled Syrian air defense systems,
    - only at the largest base - T4 - all Syrian runways were destroyed. The control tower at the base is blown up.
    According to the Syrian opposition, the Syrian Air Force practically did not fly after the Israeli attacks.
    - Strikes were carried out on four Iranian bases in Syria. The first was inflicted on the Syrian Air Force Mezza base in Damascus. It houses advisers to the corps of guards of the Islamic Revolution of Iran.
    The attack was on Iranian warehouses at the base of al-Kiswa, and on the military base of Tel Abu Talab, south of Damascus, which is also used by the Iranian military.
    - attacks were made on Syrian targets - on the base of al-Kiswa, on a military base in a-Dimas, in the northeastern part of the province of Damascus, and on a military base Madaya.
    - The base of the 16 division in the mountains of Kalamun was hit. It houses air defense batteries, the base of the Syrian Republican Guard south of Damascus,
    - in military warehouses based on the 156-th division in Deraa,
    - the base of the 79 and 89 th divisions in Daraa, near the border with Jordan and Syria, - the base of the 175 th division.



    Alas, alas .... The heated hostilities against the closest neighbors speak of the inability to resolve issues without falling to the last arguments .... The evil brought to people is accumulating and the last drop can turn events in the opposite direction ...
  25. nikvic46
    nikvic46 13 February 2018 11: 33
    0
    Israel has high hopes for Russia as a mediator. If Russia fulfills this mission, then weight and authority
    Russia will grow immeasurably. Truth on certain conditions in favor of Russia.
    1. brigadier
      brigadier 13 February 2018 16: 43
      +1
      Russia does not have as much free money as the Arabs want .... not a ride.
  26. Natalia777
    Natalia777 13 February 2018 11: 52
    0
    Quote: Professor
    According to Ofer Salzberg of the International Crisis Group (International Crisis Group), the only power in Syria that is able to negotiate on new agreements on mutual understanding and reducing the risk of major confrontation, is Russia.

    Ofer again? The journalist of the far left newspaper is now the most quoted expert?

    1. War in the North is inevitable.
    2. Russia does not have the means to mediate. She has no leverage on the parties. Everything.

    I am confident that Russia will mediate in the settlement of the Syrian-Iran-Israeli conflict. No one else.
    1. brigadier
      brigadier 13 February 2018 16: 44
      0
      And why did you decide that Israel would agree to Russian mediation? What a fright ?!
      Russia is not our ally and friend. A temporary travel companion for now.
      1. Nulgorod
        Nulgorod 14 February 2018 16: 59
        0
        We are all fellow travelers on this planet. And you are even less friends to us than we are to you. Just reminding wink
      2. jhltyjyjctw
        jhltyjyjctw 19 February 2018 12: 21
        0
        Quote: brigadir
        Russia is not our ally and friend. A temporary travel companion for now.


        It’s bad to have you enemies, but worse friends. From time immemorial, Russia has only two allies. You know who it is.
  27. Radikal
    Radikal 13 February 2018 11: 55
    0
    Israel expects that Vladimir Putin, while the Trump administration looks “from the side”, will continue to deter Iran and Syria from confrontation with Israel. That’s what Israeli Deputy Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu thinks.
    Yeah, but Israel, now having secured official support, will continue to peck over Syria from behind the "back" of Russia, and, on occasion, over Iran! X .......... oh! sad
  28. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 13 February 2018 12: 03
    0
    Israel has nuclear weapons.
    In Israel, Russians are 50%
    "To die - so with music" is a Russian expression.
    Golda Meir in 1967 already threatened to use the atomic bomb.
    So, if that ... Two fight - the third do not go.
  29. Radikal
    Radikal 13 February 2018 12: 04
    0
    Quote: Evil543
    Did you ask me a question? You agree, your example is not very correct, they fell apart for political reasons, the change of the existing political system, if you want. In this situation, it’s not a conflict between layers of society, but a conflict with the countries of your region, and there can always be barbarians whom your power and dominance in your region will be on the drum. hi

    When did this betrayal come to be called "political motives"? sad
  30. Natalia777
    Natalia777 13 February 2018 12: 07
    0
    Quote: Professor
    Quote: Evil543
    "Again Ofer? Journalist of the far left newspaper is now the most quoted expert?"

    You and cards in your hands, nominate your experts to us. The more experts the better, the truth is somewhere in between.

    http://www.newsru.co.il/israel/13feb2018/ben_reuv
    en_701.html

    Quote: Himdym
    Why is this categorical? yes, war is very possible, but Iran, if it falls into this batch, is not Syria disassembled by the civil war or Lebanon 80's torn by internal contradictions. What for such risks? Well, if Haifa pretty much got 10 years ago, now the northern industrial hub from Kiryat Yam to Nahariya will be destroyed with almost 100% probability.

    I live less than 10 to the Lebanese border and see Hezbollah towers without binoculars and I do not want war at all, but unfortunately it is inevitable. We will get from Hezbalon missiles, but Lebanon will get orders of magnitude more. Of course, no one of our industrial zones will be destroyed, but the damage will be significant.

    Quote: Himdym
    As for the means for mediation, it’s important to understand here that the mediator is not only a person with a Colt, but also a person with nishtyaks in a duffel bag, and the Arabs are nishtyaks (that loans, at least contracts for weapons, at least for nuclear power plants, even at the CHP plant, that providing their markets with acceptable, if not zero duties) oh, how they will not hurt!

    Russia does not have money to hand out gingerbread cookies. Ask Medvedev.

    You are mistaken. Russia will be the mediator and the "nishtyaki" here is the last thing. Russia itself is interested in the peaceful resolution of all issues. And there will be no war. And Israel’s misfortune lurks within him. And Israel is silent about this like a fish.
    1. Professor
      Professor 13 February 2018 14: 28
      +1
      Well yes. You from Uzbekistan certainly know what will be here.
    2. KonoGon
      KonoGon 15 February 2018 00: 49
      0
      Quote: Natalia777
      And Israel’s misfortune lurks within him
      But you know, tell us please, be affectionate.
  31. Radikal
    Radikal 13 February 2018 12: 13
    +1
    Quote: A. Privalov
    Dear Rescuers! Please do not save us. Do not be like pioneers transferring grandmothers across the road. Grandmothers do not need, and even underground passages at each intersection.

    Here I am about the same! It’s better to help the Iranian children create nuclear weapons, and then see what happens! wassat tongue
  32. Michael_59
    Michael_59 13 February 2018 12: 32
    +1
    Save Israel or escape from Israel?
  33. Mikhail Zubkov
    Mikhail Zubkov 13 February 2018 12: 45
    +2
    Intermediary services must be paid by interested parties. The Russian Federation does not know how to take “live” payments for anything, for which they consider us fools who are not civilized at the proper diplomatic level in Europe. Including Israel, where our former citizens easily call Russia "Raska", they easily slander her in the kitchens and on the air, and only sometimes they are forced to "give the Russian Federation easy instructions" to persuade the Arabs and Persians to give the Jews the questions they need. Moreover, any positives obtained for them by Russia, they easily attributed, ascribe to and will ascribe to the United States, NATO and the EU. Meanwhile, our authority in the Arab world has cost Russia and will continue to cost a lot of money, money and weapons. Arabs among themselves also consider us a "cash cow." Therefore, it is time for the Russian Foreign Ministry to break this stupid tradition and demand proper material and other compensations and direct payments for mediation. At the same time, keep in mind that tensions in and around Israel are fully in line with the long-term political and economic interests in the region, and vice versa, are not, for example, in the interests of the EU, since they are important for the global price of energy.
    1. brigadier
      brigadier 13 February 2018 16: 47
      +1
      You do not know how intermediaries between Middle Eastern countries work. They, intermediaries, pay a lot of money to those who provide intermediary services, and not vice versa.
      Do you have an extra billion dollars to give Arabs? Probably not. Well, you don’t have to offer your services.
      1. Nulgorod
        Nulgorod 14 February 2018 17: 01
        0
        So it was before, until this mess began. Now money doesn’t solve everything when the question is about the survival of some.
  34. Mikhail Anokhin_2
    Mikhail Anokhin_2 13 February 2018 13: 14
    +3
    There will never be peace in the land of Palestine!
    Israel will not become a secular state - Arabs will not renounce the faith of their fathers.
    1. KonoGon
      KonoGon 15 February 2018 00: 50
      0
      Quote: Mikhail Anokhin_2
      Arabs will not renounce the faith of their fathers
      From which? After all, they have already renounced.
  35. Lynx33
    Lynx33 13 February 2018 13: 26
    +1
    But how many Israel wants, with his then bad behavior? It is impossible to have business with Israel in general, all the more so to agree on something. The crash of the an148 is very much like a professional attack carried out by special services. And here Israel is the most concerned person, given how they pursue an eye-to-eye policy. It has been painfully strange lately, airplanes have been serving in Russia, and each time the Jews are most interested in this.
  36. gladcu2
    gladcu2 13 February 2018 13: 59
    0
    Russia has invested confidence in the region. Trust Means is a new term. It means that by bringing material values ​​into public use you have gained influence, POWER.
    What means of trust did Russia bring to the region? They smashed anti-government structures, created hope for the restoration of the state, created the opportunity to plan the future, and made hope. This way of influencing involves raising the activity of the population. If the population sees prospects, its activity is growing and this activity can be controlled. Implement POWER.
    One could, for example, take an adequate amount of money and scatter it from a helicopter. Money would be eaten and wait more. This method does not make it possible to obtain the exercise of power since the possibility of trust is not realized.
    The method of gaining power I described was used by Russia to create an empire.
    The English crown, used a different method, divide and conquer. The use of primary moral laws, lies, greed, greed, meanness, fear. They achieved great results, but depleted the material values ​​of the colonies. Those have lost the opportunity to develop. The British lost control and lost their colonies.

    Now. Russia has influence, POWER in the region. How long can this power be realized.
    Reply.
    While memory remains. While the events of those horrors, generations keep in mind and WRITTEN.
    Recall decommunization in Ukraine. They want to delete history in order to weaken Russia's influence in the region. Russia has invested a lot in Ukraine.

    Now.

    Does Israel trust Russia? Trusts.

    But Israel has its own interests in the region. These interests are material. Which reduces confidence in Israel.

    Therefore, it cannot be argued that Russia is complete power in the region.
  37. Silver fox_2
    Silver fox_2 13 February 2018 14: 17
    0
    I would not be rude in the place of the Jews! Something from the category of "do not want the bad, the good will be worse"
    1. brigadier
      brigadier 13 February 2018 16: 48
      0
      More?
      1. Nulgorod
        Nulgorod 14 February 2018 17: 02
        0
        See you soon. wink
  38. Lexus
    Lexus 13 February 2018 15: 40
    0
    And what, Israel needs to be saved? From whom?
    PS I read the article.
  39. Tamrus
    Tamrus 13 February 2018 16: 14
    0
    They are freed from fascists, but not saved
  40. Nulgorod
    Nulgorod 13 February 2018 16: 25
    0
    Evil543No, he's just a Jew laughing
  41. krokus792
    krokus792 13 February 2018 17: 34
    0
    What about Egypt and Jordan?
  42. Cer59
    Cer59 13 February 2018 17: 52
    +1
    don’t you understand? carefully study the military and civilian leadership of Israel. Well, all of them are mainly immigrants from the USSR. now they are old and are leaving the government. who is succeeding them? a new wave from Russia is not worth the wait. and the rest of the world produces monsters, as moral as others.
    Therefore, Israel has one way to preserve the identity of its people, this is joining Russia by decision of a referendum. Israel has no other way.
  43. sarmat81
    sarmat81 13 February 2018 18: 50
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    let them disentangle themselves and ask for help from the neighbors; it was not necessary to poke your nose where you should not and shoot there. Jews will kneel in the east now
  44. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 13 February 2018 19: 34
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    But do we need to save Israel? Once they have been given the opportunity to be and that's enough! For more than once they have bitten a hand giving life! Let them already, without the help of Russia. Or who in power decided to save Israel?
  45. Ber
    Ber 13 February 2018 20: 14
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    Is the author smoked?
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    1. Shahno
      Shahno 13 February 2018 23: 00
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      Respected. Have you formed your opinion among the gymnasium students and the semenistov?
  47. Zina389
    Zina389 14 February 2018 00: 02
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    It seems that people do not read newspapers. Well, besides. Netanyahu met with Putin 7 times over the past 3 years. Apart from meeting with Shoigu, Naryshkin and Patrushev. The latter only came to Israel for a couple of weeks. This is mediation. It’s not even clear how and where to deepen it yet. Well, if Pakistan sends weapons to the Arabs, India will send Israel a million soldiers. Just how to feed them? what
  48. Baby sitter
    Baby sitter 14 February 2018 00: 39
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    A jackal around the corner is not beautiful !!!! You can also get candelabra on the basis of pace ... And then do not ask - "And then why us ???"
    1. Zina389
      Zina389 14 February 2018 01: 14
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      Nanny, take out the radio pot.
  49. KonoGon
    KonoGon 15 February 2018 00: 44
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    It is necessary to answer with the words of Professor Mordecai Keidar to the Arabs in El Jazeera:
    Peace with the Arabs? Why do we need peace with the Arabs? Where you appear, death and tears and blood and suffering appear. You are unable to maintain peace among themselves, but there too. No, make peace among themselves, live a little without internecine wars, and there we will see.
    For me, the same applies to Russia.
  50. Professor
    Professor 15 February 2018 08: 07
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    Quote: KonoGon
    It is necessary to answer with the words of Professor Mordecai Keidar to the Arabs in El Jazeera:
    Peace with the Arabs? Why do we need peace with the Arabs? Where you appear, death and tears and blood and suffering appear. You are unable to maintain peace among themselves, but there too. No, make peace among themselves, live a little without internecine wars, and there we will see.
    For me, the same applies to Russia.

    I remember this interview. It blew up the Arab Internet. And he is absolutely right.
    1. lance
      lance 17 February 2018 20: 43
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      in this case, in no case should the Israelis forget the same Arabs, forgot the “God’s chosen”