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Modification of the Su-25CM3 will be invulnerable to missiles with thermal homing heads.

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The VKS will soon begin to receive modified Su-25CM3 attack aircraft, which will become invulnerable to missiles with thermal homing heads, reports RIA News.




It is reported that the combat effectiveness of the modification in comparison with the Su-25 almost tripled.

“The Vitebsk complex has been created in Russia, which is guaranteed to protect against Stinger and Igla-type thermal homing heads. This complex is already installed on all Ka-52 helicopters, as well as on Mi-8 Mi-based helicopters that have already proved its effectiveness in action, ”the material says.

Also, the Su-25CM3 attack aircraft had the opportunity not only to fire ground targets, but also to conduct air combat.

In addition, using satellite navigation GLONASS Su-25СМ3 will be able to set the final point of flight with an accuracy of up to ten meters and will strike the designated target even with limited visibility.

Updated stormtroopers will be able to use more modern missiles, including guided as well as adjustable bombs.

According to the agency, Su-25СМ3 among other things has a wide range of speeds: from almost a thousand to a hundred kilometers per hour "without sticking into a corkscrew."

Recall, February 3 in Idlib was shot down by the Russian Su-25. The pilot ejected, but died fighting the terrorists.
Photos used:
Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
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  1. Vard
    Vard 12 February 2018 09: 19
    +9
    Of course I would like earlier ... But it seems that new machines still have work ... In the same Syria ...
    1. nik-karata
      nik-karata 12 February 2018 09: 27
      +26
      Of course I would like earlier ...

      Well, why can't we do without sacred sacrifices? Why is nothing done on time? Once upon a time I heard about modernization .... as always there are no funds ???
      1. vladimirZ
        vladimirZ 12 February 2018 09: 33
        +36
        Until someone dies due to the negligence or crime of others, no one will move.
        "Every accident has a name, surname and position." Pronounced her Commissar of Railways Lazar Kaganovich. Actual for us.
        1. Shurik70
          Shurik70 13 February 2018 16: 04
          0
          Quote: Vard
          Of course I would like earlier ... But it seems that new machines still have work ... In the same Syria ...

          All this ALREADY HAS. All these defense complexes were not created yesterday.
          Either they flew without protection in a combat situation, which creates a lot of questions on the topic of “who is to blame”, or this downed plane - the Americans test the new missile guidance system, which the Russian defense does not care about, which gives the questions “what to do”. And more likely the second than the first.
      2. figwam
        figwam 12 February 2018 09: 39
        +11
        nik-karata

        Israel had an F-16, upgraded with the latest technology, but was shot down by a complex of the 1967 model, and our helicopter with Vitebsk was shot down the same.
        1. just exp
          just exp 12 February 2018 10: 15
          +12
          but should not have been shot down (I'm talking about a turntable), if we are talking about MANPADS.
          if they shot down an aircraft with Vitebsk from MANPADS, it means that this Vitebsk is not so successful.
          1. figwam
            figwam 12 February 2018 10: 26
            +3
            just exp

            And there it is not clear how it could be shot down, maybe TOW, maybe ZSU, there are no vulnerable aircraft, but new systems greatly increase the survival rate.
          2. vlad66
            vlad66 12 February 2018 10: 40
            +11
            Quote: just EXPL
            but should not have been shot down (I'm talking about a turntable), if we are talking about MANPADS.
            if they shot down an aircraft with Vitebsk from MANPADS, it means that this Vitebsk is not so successful.

            A colleague is not an indestructible technique from a word at all yes But Vitebsk may increase the survival rate. hi
          3. Buffet
            Buffet 12 February 2018 11: 44
            0
            He was shot down from an anti-aircraft gun. Vitebsk would not have helped there.
        2. Ratmir_Ryazan
          Ratmir_Ryazan 12 February 2018 11: 19
          +13
          "Vitebsk" protects not from EVERYTHING, but from missiles with a thermal guidance head, the missile is guided by S-125 means of the radar and it doesn’t care what’s there with thermal radiation ...

          But anyway, I think that in Syria aircraft were sent that could be hit by MANPADS, when they could deliver the same, but with Vitebsk it was simply criminal negligence !!!

          The same criminal negligence, for which no one answered, as during the storming of Grozny, our tanks were without the Kontakt ... They were developed a long time ago and put into series ... And this was done by none other than Maxim Galkin’s dad, this gerontophile !!!

          As always, a bunch of thieves of mediocrity in Russia ruin the best sons of the people ... Those who planned these operations were obliged to proceed from the fact that militants have MANPADS !!! When was the Turkish Cobra helicopter shot down ?! More than a year ago !!! And no reaction ... As always, they hoped that maybe it would blow ... It didn’t blow ... And now it begins, now we have Vitebsk, it is on helicopters ... B .... well done, and why they didn’t put it before !!! Filippova, what will this be resurrected ?!

          I still don’t understand what is the point of saving on something that ultimately leads to casualties and loss of equipment ?! So it can make tank planes 20% smaller, but they will be multiple more protected ?! No, it doesn’t reach ... Because it doesn’t comply with the Constitution of the Russian Federation, everyone should serve, no deferrals due to studies or other reasons, even if not a year, but 6 months, but that’s all ... And that’s already it has become the norm that only every fifth person serves ... This is generally a disgrace for the country ...
          1. NEOZ
            NEOZ 12 February 2018 11: 32
            +2
            problems are solved ALWAYS upon receipt !!!! there is a problem, they will solve it! no problem - nothing to solve! This is the FIRST shot down SU25 in 2 years!
            1. Captain45
              Captain45 13 February 2018 00: 09
              +2
              Quote: NEOZ
              this is the FIRST shot down SU25 in 2 of the year!

              If in Syria, then yes the first. In general: The TASS-DOSSIER editorial office compiled a chronology of all combat losses of the Su-25 aircraft of the Russian military department. According to open sources, 1995 Su-3 Air Force attack aircraft (from the 2018 year as part of the Aerospace Forces, Airborne Forces) of Russia have been lost since the 15 year in hostilities (taking into account the incident of 25 on February 2015 year), resulting in a total loss of life ten pilots. Further here: http: //tass.ru/info/4928100
          2. figwam
            figwam 12 February 2018 13: 26
            +2
            Ratmir_Ryazan

            No, you are wrong, Vitebsk protects against all anti-aircraft missiles, both radar and thermal.
    2. Andrey K
      Andrey K 12 February 2018 09: 28
      +26
      RG "Russian weapons", article of 11.02.2018/XNUMX/XNUMX.
      By the way, this article is from quotes from there.
      We read the original:
      ... We all experienced as personal grief the death of pilot Roman Filipov, who was rightly awarded the title of Hero. The situation in which the downed pilot found himself did not leave him any chance to escape, and he acted like a real warrior. More Su-25s, also known as the Grach, will not be shot down from MANPADS.
      At the Kubinka airbase, there is a large batch of real Su-25SM3 super-attack aircraft ready to be sent to the troops. In fact, under a well-known name, machines of a new generation will come into operation. A new on-board electronic equipment was installed on the Su-25SM3, moreover, exclusively of domestic development and production. Upgraded avionics will allow the use of more modern missiles, including guided, as well as adjustable bombs.
      The attack aircraft have the opportunity to hit not only all types of ground targets, but also conduct an air battle. They have a wide range of speeds - from almost a thousand to one hundred kilometers per hour without being stumbled. The practical ceiling of the Su-25SM3 reaches ten thousand meters. Without refueling, it can fly 1850 km. Effective Su-25SM3 will be in the fight against unmanned aerial vehicles. The Rooks received GLONASS satellite navigation. According to experts, it allows you to set the end point of the flight with an accuracy of ten meters. That is, even in conditions of limited visibility, the attack aircraft will definitely reach the designated target and inflict a crushing blow.
      As a result of all the innovations, the combat effectiveness of the new-old aircraft has almost tripled ...

      Ready Su-25SM3 stood at the air base in Kubinka. We had to wait for the death of Roman Nikolayevich Filipov, in order to accelerate the transfer of equipment to the troops ...
      1. just exp
        just exp 12 February 2018 10: 17
        +7
        +1 really infuriates already, a lot of news about what we’ll build, we will do it, then there are fables about ours that can do this, ours experienced this. and as something happens, it turns out that we didn’t do any horseradish, we didn’t do any horseradish, but there are a couple of pieces that could be made like this in certain situations.
        if not;%:?% No. "";! "No.; in the Moscow Region, then Filipov would be alive.
      2. Stas157
        Stas157 12 February 2018 10: 19
        +4
        Quote: Andrey K
        Ready Su-25SM3 stood at the air base in Kubinka. We had to wait for the death of Roman Nikolayevich Filipov, in order to accelerate the transfer of equipment to the troops ...

        What's the point? The attack was banned. Therefore, at the moment there is no difference than to bomb, a simple Su-25 (plus Hephaestus) or modernized.
      3. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan 12 February 2018 11: 26
        +2
        B ... and don’t say ... Until we wash ourselves with blood, not a damn thing is done ... The actions of the militants cannot calculate one step further !!! The Turkish "Cobra" was dumped a year ago from MANPADS, didn’t anyone realize that ISIS militants could have it from amers or trophy from Kurds, or where else ?! Well, if you knew what could be, so what was sent to the Su-25 which simply do not have a chance against MANPADS ?!

        There should be an analysis of this situation and the perpetrators must be held accountable !!! Otherwise, it will always be so, until we wash ourselves with blood, begin to move ...
    3. siberalt
      siberalt 12 February 2018 09: 31
      +2
      And what is the reminder of the deceased pilot? To emphasize that we are strong in hindsight? belay
      1. q75agent
        q75agent 12 February 2018 10: 18
        +4
        and the fact that the memory of his exploit remained forever !!! or have you already forgotten ..... am But we remember
      2. Chichikov
        Chichikov 12 February 2018 10: 22
        +6
        Quote: siberalt
        And what is the reminder of the deceased pilot? To emphasize that we are strong in hindsight?

        So that all the “dissenting” unanimously begin to sort out, “about the guilt of the authorities”, “sacred victims”, “negligence and criminality of command”, “personalities” ... And perhaps some of these “always dissenting” either served urgent, or in general didn’t serve ... But, they understand easily and in everything - at the level of the General Staff!
      3. Kent0001
        Kent0001 12 February 2018 10: 50
        +3
        And what not? Or did our command not foresee such incidents? Then the price was worthless, provided that the cars were already prepared, or they cherished the cars, and people, well, what about people? War. So what? Or there were TWO aircraft to show the top leadership of the aircraft and such as they are.
      4. Stas157
        Stas157 12 February 2018 11: 12
        +7
        Quote: siberalt
        And what is the reminder of the deceased pilot?

        So this is directly related to this event, because if Roman Filippov flew on a modernized attack aircraft, then he would have more chances to survive. Perplexing is the fact that at the time of the tragedy, modernized aircraft were already there.
    4. Spartanez300
      Spartanez300 12 February 2018 10: 58
      +3
      Why not fully engage the more advanced Su-34s in this war instead of the Su-25s until they are upgraded to Su-25SM3, which at the moment are essentially outdated coffins with wings, it is not clear that the Su-34 is more important than human life.
    5. Maz
      Maz 12 February 2018 16: 02
      +1
      Well, you didn’t send them to Syria, you are smart guys after thunder and thunder. Are these Su25cm3? Now report? Oh, I’d like to find out what old stuff was sent there ...
  2. demiurg
    demiurg 12 February 2018 09: 21
    +7
    In Syria, in fact, a consolidated aviation regiment. Was it really difficult to initially equip it with the most modern technology?
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    2. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 12 February 2018 13: 40
      +2
      Utilize junk, though together with the pilots.
  3. Alexander War
    Alexander War 12 February 2018 09: 24
    0
    https://ak-12.livejournal.com/24684.html и https://ak-12.livejournal.com/77049.html
  4. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 12 February 2018 09: 24
    0
    And what modification was shot down?
    1. Thrall
      Thrall 12 February 2018 09: 26
      +9
      Quote: Zaurbek
      And what modification was shot down?

      F-16I
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 12 February 2018 10: 00
        0
        And the pilots are alive ...
    2. figwam
      figwam 12 February 2018 09: 27
      0
      Zaurbek

      Shot down the Su-25SM.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 12 February 2018 09: 30
        +2
        There will be an eternal race of who - whom!
        One thing is bad, for the proofs you have to pay with the lives of the pilots!
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  5. jetfors_84
    jetfors_84 12 February 2018 09: 28
    +5
    They have been talking about cm3 for a long time, I really thought that they should have been sent to Syria. And what's old there?
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 12 February 2018 09: 32
      0
      There are no new ones ... these are all modernizations of the old. Single variants were produced in Georgia, we only have 2 local UBs and tried to do all kinds of Su-39 based on them. In general, it was strange that they were upgraded first from guided missiles ... they and helicopters must first be equipped with the President, and then with other systems ... Unlike Su24 and 34
      1. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 12 February 2018 13: 41
        +3
        SU 34 is essentially a replacement, and these must be sold to the side.
  6. Lexus
    Lexus 12 February 2018 09: 29
    +4
    Again, "will be," "soon." When, in the end, ALREADY?
  7. Romka47
    Romka47 12 February 2018 09: 30
    +3
    Yes, let's face it, the rook is outdated, with all my love for him.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 12 February 2018 09: 37
      +4
      Well, the car of the 80s cannot be modern without modernization in 2018 ... and the actual losses in the 1980s cannot be relevant in 2018 ...
    2. dauria
      dauria 12 February 2018 11: 26
      +5
      Yes, let's face it, the rook is outdated,


      If you face the truth, then any cars will go astray. That's the fighting. We don’t want losses - then we don’t want to fight. That is the truth. And the air defense equipment will not stand still, and the tactics and training of the enemy.
      A ground attack infantry needed in this batch. Sometimes there is nothing to replace it with. And reassigned to the old combined arms army, and operational -MDSD. As with the Union in the 80s.
  8. tchoni
    tchoni 12 February 2018 09: 31
    +3
    Again, these "soon", "will", "efficiency will almost triple." Not funny.. .
  9. bogart047
    bogart047 12 February 2018 09: 37
    +2
    yeah, let's wait a couple more years ...
  10. askort154
    askort154 12 February 2018 09: 37
    +5
    Our national problem is always waiting for the roast rooster.
  11. viktor.
    viktor. 12 February 2018 09: 41
    +9
    And what prevented before ??? Or, in Russia, how it will not be regrettable until a fried cock bites your ass !! ??
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 12 February 2018 09: 47
      +3
      And with the technical base, far from everything is all right with us, and the change of design, technological, production personnel does not just stall, consider disaster there !!!
      To say that these are the consequences of the rule of the former supremes, to twist against the truth, modern identities also had a hand in this!
      1. Kent0001
        Kent0001 12 February 2018 10: 56
        +1
        And seriously applied. They have been at the helm for 17 years. And there was oil for 100 bucks, the current “friends” together with officials pulled out all the money from the country, and about 100 lards in the debt obligations of the enemy (and the enemy does not hide it), this is also cool.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 12 February 2018 11: 13
          0
          They are compradors, for a simple reason.
          We won’t have to wait for another during the next five-year period ... otherwise some of the sponges were rolled out, and our master began to screw nuts cool! like in front of us is waiting for the full order "" "
          In short, some kind of naive. However, we have no choice.
  12. basmach
    basmach 12 February 2018 09: 46
    0
    But I’m wondering how this way it is invulnerable to thermal GOS. temperature of a stream of gases at the exit from the engine - 600-700 degrees .. how it was removed. This is not a spinner-principle of motion of another. There they put deflectors on the exhaust, but here. Or they wrote according to the principle- "I crowed - and there at least do not dawn"
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 12 February 2018 10: 02
      +2
      There, the sensors detect the starting rocket and direct the laser to the GOS, and it "goes blind." All this in conjunction with conventional traps.
      1. basmach
        basmach 12 February 2018 10: 15
        +1
        Sorry, who are you by profession ?. For example, I graduated from the Faculty of Aviation Arms, Tambov VVAIU. And what you wrote is nothing but nonsense (and this is very soft, I can’t name it. Try it in the genre of fiction, there will be more sense.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 12 February 2018 10: 19
          +2
          The system automatically detects missile launch and activates the use of passive and active interference in the infrared and radio ranges, which leads to disruption of missile homing systems and their departure for false targets. The system can operate in automatic mode without operator intervention, only informing about the threats that have arisen and the countermeasures taken, as well as about the remaining protective equipment. The complex includes [2]:

          Control device
          Ultraviolet Direction Finder
          Laser Detection Equipment
          Optoelectronic Suppression Station
          Active radar jamming station
          The device for ejection of false thermal targets.
          The system uses digital processing of radar signals and interference generation. Provides protection of the aircraft in the presence of threats from several simultaneously operating radar control systems [3]. The system is made in the form of blocks that can be placed both inside and on the external nodes of the aircraft.
          1. basmach
            basmach 12 February 2018 10: 29
            +1
            Read less newspapers and think more. And even better, at least once touch the live combat side with your hands, prepare for departure, and then you will be most ridiculous of what you wrote.
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 12 February 2018 10: 31
              +3
              Do you have any other secret knowledge?
              1.Ultra-violet direction finder
              2. Optoelectronic suppression station
            2. Kent0001
              Kent0001 12 February 2018 10: 58
              0
              If you do not fly into space, then this does not mean that others do not fly either.
            3. sivuch
              sivuch 12 February 2018 11: 14
              +1
              If you remember, it was once suggested -
              Reducing the visibility of the attack aircraft contributes to the power plant with formless TRD P-195 with unregulated nozzle and lowered by several times the infrared signature of the nozzle. This was achieved by profiling the flame tube and the enlarged central body, which eliminates the direct visibility of the turbine blades. Also, the aircraft's visibility was reduced by reducing the temperature of the exhaust gases using supplied atmospheric air.
              But, if I understand correctly, then on SM3 the same P-95 remained, on which no one bothered with a decrease in IR signature.
        2. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 12 February 2018 10: 20
          +3
          Did you finish yourself or were you kicked out? I graduated from the Polytechnic Institute.
          1. basmach
            basmach 12 February 2018 10: 31
            0
            The captain of the reserve, after school he served as an engineer of the PrnK-54 maintenance and repair group in the 523 Orsha.apib. Year in the squadron-then TEC. Will arrange. But rudeness is the first sign of limitation.
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 12 February 2018 10: 33
              +2
              Do not take to heart ... repair.
              1. basmach
                basmach 12 February 2018 10: 36
                0
                Naturally. Who can does that, who does not, is trying to teach others. How are you, trying to explain to me, what I was taught, while knowing about the issue only from obscure publications. Good luck in the new field.
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                2. Zaurbek
                  Zaurbek 12 February 2018 15: 42
                  0
                  I’m not explaining anything to you ... I read an article, shared it .... You have refuted it without any proof. That's all.
    2. demo
      demo 12 February 2018 10: 13
      +2
      “The complex is capable of giving out the enemy’s radar not just a false target, but also form a whole squadron of such targets for which the enemy will spend ammunition in case of shelling,” the experts explain.

      An armada of false targets created around the helicopter in the radio range can confuse the most advanced detection and guidance system. The radiation power of the false targets created by the Vitebsk complex included on board the helicopter is such that the anti-aircraft missile guidance head is forced to constantly re-aim and ultimately "go" to the side, and in case of using a missile with a thermal seeker, an automatic ejection of special reflectors is provided. "

      Either such a correspondent, "intelligent", or such a consultant "educated."

      Reflector - reflects.
      But how to hide a stream of hot gas behind these reflectors is a question?

      https://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201601090
      822-zh0b.htm
      1. basmach
        basmach 12 February 2018 10: 25
        +2
        Well, actually, for IR GOS, not PIRs, but reflectors are used as traps. However, for a long time not only was developed, but an algorithm for detuning from such "false" goals was also applied. It is based on predicting the movement of a target (since its movement obeys physical laws). The target cannot instantly change the acceleration and direction of movement. In this case (when redirecting to PIX), the new target is considered false and retargeting is carried out, followed by tracking at a previously calculated target location. Plus there are some more of those. solutions.
    3. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 12 February 2018 10: 22
      +1
      The principle is rightly seen. The design of the su-25 was initially very controversial, a bunch of comments and outdated at the time of release. Unfortunately, they can be eliminated only by removing this aircraft from service.
  13. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 12 February 2018 09: 50
    +5
    Better late than never ... I hope the claimed characteristics are true ... From experience, unfortunately, not always .. and not under all circumstances
  14. Alex-a832
    Alex-a832 12 February 2018 09: 55
    +2
    While bureaucrats scratch their belly, instead of accelerating the rotation of equipment in the "hot spot" to a more secure one, it is worth the life of our best fighters. Although such a mess is inherent in any large aircraft - but this is not an excuse. I would like to hope that the career of the involved general of the bureaucratic troops will go downhill.
  15. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 12 February 2018 10: 12
    +1
    As always with us .... until thunder strikes, man ....... well, you know what. It all costs the lives of our pilots. Previously, it was necessary to install, at least on those units that are in the war zone in Syria. Moreover, Vitebsk has been tested and has proven itself in the same Syria.
  16. Just a man
    Just a man 12 February 2018 10: 21
    +1
    Unfortunately, always and everywhere, in all armies, there will be problems of matching the supply of weapons and technical equipment to the place, tasks and features of the performance of combat missions. It is very bad that such problems are often associated with ignorance of the essence of the actions of local units. Somewhere in 2011, VHF communications were delivered to our special forces in several parties. It turned out that the frequency firmware is generally different, it’s good if at least one channel is the same, the reason is banal, in Moscow the person who organized the purchase and delivery did not hold these radio stations in their hands and was not aware that this is so important, common communication channels.
  17. urman
    urman 12 February 2018 10: 32
    +1
    Su-25SM3, which will become invulnerable to missiles with thermal homing heads, RIA Novosti reports. \\\\\\
    Something recently, this journalistic stamp, which has no analogues, is invulnerable, etc.
    Really became annoying
    WE ARE NOT THE COUNTRY 404!
    It’s more modest to be like that boxer (I don’t remember the name).
    In response to the words of the Negro, they say I’ll score this white one,
    I answered not white I am Russian and gave him. winning the battle.
    1. urman
      urman 12 February 2018 10: 41
      0
      Cold calm gives rise to greater fear.!
      Like the one whom the German squad intercepted, he thoughtfully chopped down the Wehrmacht officers with an ax and dispersed the rest.
      We need to work calmly on defense and in response to all sorts of threats
      slowly wiping sweat from my forehead to ask where are we going to bury you so many!
  18. Radikal
    Radikal 12 February 2018 10: 44
    0
    Quote: Chichikov
    Quote: siberalt
    And what is the reminder of the deceased pilot? To emphasize that we are strong in hindsight?

    So that all the “dissenting” unanimously begin to sort out, “about the guilt of the authorities”, “sacred victims”, “negligence and criminality of command”, “personalities” ... And perhaps some of these “always dissenting” either served urgent, or in general didn’t serve ... But, they understand easily and in everything - at the level of the General Staff!

    Your "famous" nickname, and reasoning at the same level! wassat
  19. Professor
    Professor 12 February 2018 10: 53
    +1
    “The Vitebsk complex was created in Russia, which guaranteed protects against missiles with thermal homing type "Stinger" or "Needle". This complex has already been installed on all Ka-52 helicopters, as well as on the Mi-8 located in Syria, which have already proved its effectiveness in business, ”the material says.

    Oh, these journalists. There is no guarantee, but only probability.

    Updated attack aircraft will be able to use more modern missiles, including guided, as well as adjustable bombs.

    Can't they now? Recently there was an article that Russia surpasses the bourgeois in precision weapons. Who is lying?

    https://topwar.ru/135277-amerikanskiy-ekspert-pri
    znal-preimuschestvo-rf-v-sistemah-pvo-i-vysokotoc
    hnom-oruzhii.html
    American expert acknowledged the advantage of the Russian Federation in air defense systems and precision weapons
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 12 February 2018 11: 24
      0
      Precision can be done, the question is PRICES.
      The Yankees zabatsat their JDAM and drive in series, as a result of a relatively low price and you can bomb from a great height in any weather. Neither spotters nor the backlight are needed ... in short, they comply with TB for warriors.
      And so, you can make super-duper ammunition, only what price will it be ???
    2. Waterfowl
      Waterfowl 12 February 2018 11: 58
      0
      Professor! We have the most powerful weapon - language.
  20. Bronevick
    Bronevick 12 February 2018 11: 02
    +2
    Until the rooster pecks. What prevented this from happening before? They didn’t gather for a walk.
    1. 9PA
      9PA 12 February 2018 11: 42
      0
      You just have to put Peskov’s son in an attack aircraft
  21. koshmarik
    koshmarik 12 February 2018 12: 20
    0
    I think that expressions like “if only if only”, “the authorities are to blame for everything”, etc. not entirely appropriate, because war is a conglomerate of chaos, disorder, unforeseen situations and a different level of error in decision-making - which side has fewer ones, it wins.
  22. Guru
    Guru 12 February 2018 12: 29
    0
    - Until the Thunder strikes, the man will not cross himself. It’s time to get smarter already and not wait for the thunder.
    There was a message from the Turks that the barmaley of the Needles have.
  23. turbris
    turbris 12 February 2018 12: 29
    +1
    The trouble is that the articles are written by journalists, without consulting professional specialists. Well, which plane or helicopter can be invulnerable from MANPADS - yes, no, if it operates at an altitude below 5 km, various systems can only reduce the likelihood of damage, and even this depends on many conditions, for example, angle, speed, reaction time of the defense system and etc. How to detect the launch of MANPADS - only visually or by the thermal radiation of the rocket engine - is both very problematic, and therefore the allegations of the invulnerability of the Su-25CM3 are another journalist fake.
  24. Zomanus
    Zomanus 12 February 2018 12: 43
    0
    Well, as long as these cars do not break in / fire in Syria,
    all this at the level of discussion.
  25. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 12 February 2018 13: 39
    0
    Until no one gets knocked down, they scratch the new women ...
  26. Northern warrior
    Northern warrior 12 February 2018 13: 52
    0
    Attack aircraft are the past, regardless of the efforts of the developers. Suppose all Su-25SM3 are immune from missiles with infrared seeker, but the enemy has MANPADS and laser-guided (RBS-70, Star Streak). We should not forget about the danger of anti-aircraft artillery fire and machine guns at low altitudes. The future of strike aircraft on the battlefield is drones that carry standard aviation weapons and have AI elements. The absence of a pilot on board can significantly increase the survivability of the main performance characteristics of the aircraft.
  27. krokus792
    krokus792 12 February 2018 15: 16
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    Road spoon for dinner
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  29. Wolka
    Wolka 12 February 2018 18: 22
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    so if there is an aviation REB, why there are not enough of them where the war is ...
  30. da Vinci
    da Vinci 12 February 2018 19: 38
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    The situation with Su25 reminds me of a story about artillery and Khrushchev: that type also refused good reliable weapons on the battlefield hoping for the omnipotence of missiles. How it ended is well known. recourse
  31. lekalpan
    lekalpan 12 February 2018 21: 22
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    They will be put on a protective field (screen) as on alien fighters in the film "Independence Day." Meaning will make rockets with a virus that "freeze" this protective field. Oh shaggy grandmother!
  32. gorenina91
    gorenina91 13 February 2018 15: 47
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    “It may be that today our MiGs, Sushki and other planes and helicopters ...- are also not yet equipped with modern electronic warfare and other means of protection and invulnerability from enemy missiles and MANPADS ... -So you don’t have to wait until another one is created” situation ", after which everyone will again begin to regret sadly..and explain that, well, if this new defense system were to stand ... then our plane and pilot would survive ... -And now, they say, we we’ll take it into account and put it ... -And so ...- every time ... -Yes you don’t have to wait for “these cases” ... -You just need to take all our equipment with all effective and reliable defenses in advance .. -And do not wait for a "new case" ...
  33. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 13 February 2018 16: 12
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    Quote: just EXPL
    but should not have been shot down (I'm talking about a turntable), if we are talking about MANPADS.
    if they shot down an aircraft with Vitebsk from MANPADS, it means that this Vitebsk is not so successful.

    We are talking about heads with thermal guidance, and modern MANPADS are three-channel. The missile of this complex is equipped with a unique three-spectral homing head operating in the ultraviolet, near infrared and mid-infrared ranges. It is this difference in spectra that allows you to get more information about the target, which makes MANPADS "selective" weapons. In addition, the head of the "Willow" has a significantly higher sensitivity in comparison with MANPADS "Igla-S". This increases the range of capture of air objects. Also, the homing head automatically performs the “selection” of false thermal targets (thermal noise) and focuses on the object with the strongest thermal radiation.