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All passengers of An-148, crashed in the suburbs, died

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All those on board the An-148 aircraft crashing in the Moscow Region, including 65 passengers and 6 crew members, died, reports RIA News message of the press service of the Moscow Interregional Transport Prosecutor's Office.


All passengers of An-148, crashed in the suburbs, died


On board the aircraft were 65 passengers and six crew members, all died, told the agency in the supervisory authority.

Earlier, Rosavitsiya reported that communication with the crew of the An-148 “Saratov Airlines” flight 703 Moscow-Orsk disappeared a few minutes after taking off from Domodedovo. The Emergency Situations Ministry confirmed that the plane crashed in the Ramensky district of the Moscow region near the settlement of Stepanovskoye.

The crash site is cordoned off by the Rosgvardia and employees of the Central Internal Affairs Directorate in Moscow Region

The solution of issues at the level of law enforcement agencies and municipalities is established. Search work is underway. Found one flight recorder,
told the head of the Ministry of Emergency Situations in the Moscow region Sergey Poletykin.

Organized work on the work at night. Additional lighting towers are being installed. There are no problematic issues
added on.

The Investigative Committee opened a criminal case under the article on “violation of the rules of operation of air transport, which resulted in the death of two or more persons.”

Earlier in the TFR stated that the investigation will work out all possible versions of the incident. Emergency services, investigators and criminologists continue to work on the spot.
Photos used:
Stanislav Krasilnikov / TASS
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  1. Herculesic
    Herculesic 11 February 2018 19: 10
    +13
    First of all, you again list this rating! am fool Secondly, is it impossible to combine all three parts into one? And then you already got a thriller! am
    1. The_lancet
      The_lancet 11 February 2018 19: 23
      +3
      A terrible catastrophe ... Condolences ...
      But why on this site before that there was no accurate information?
      Information about a helicopter, not a passenger but a cargo plane, etc.
      Poor visibility conditions - hard to search? Or are there more reasons?
      Probably after the fall there were survivors, but did not last long because of the frost ...
      1. 210ox
        210ox 11 February 2018 19: 27
        +5
        This all got in first-hand, the koi did not know a damn thing. They saw the mail in the crashed fuselage and it started.
        Quote: The_Lancet
        A terrible catastrophe ... Condolences ...
        But why on this site before that there was no accurate information?
        It was written about a helicopter, not a passenger but a cargo plane, etc.
        Poor visibility conditions - hard to search? Or are there more reasons?
        1. The_lancet
          The_lancet 11 February 2018 19: 35
          +4
          If someone survived the fall just to die from the cold
          Sad ...

          1. iliitchitch
            iliitchitch 11 February 2018 20: 34
            +15
            Quote: The_Lancet
            If someone survived the fall just to die from the cold
            Sad ...

            I live here nearby, stop talking about the cold, it’s not cold now in the suburbs.
            1. Sofa expert
              Sofa expert 12 February 2018 04: 05
              +2
              Ride the railroads .. I’m sorry for my relatives ... for comparison, how many accidents in the air and on the train, and this comparison is not in favor of aviation ...
          2. Andrey K
            Andrey K 11 February 2018 20: 42
            +24
            ... Stewardess Nastya Slavinskaya, the last time was online at 14:21 at the time of take-off ...

            Sunny and cheerful ...
          3. figwam
            figwam 11 February 2018 21: 10
            +1
            The_lancet

            All died when the plane crashed, frost -1C.
          4. Firework
            Firework 12 February 2018 08: 21
            +4
            In the book of Ecclesiastes, I read these words: “And I turned and saw under the sun that the successful run is not quick, the victory is not brave, the bread is not wise, and wealth is not rational, but time and chance for all of them” no one is insured
      2. Ascetic
        Ascetic 11 February 2018 19: 58
        +19
        Quote: The_Lancet
        Probably after the fall there were survivors, but did not last long because of the frost ...

        Judging by the wreckage, the explosion was in the air, there was no chance ... But there was no frost, a slight minus, there was no wind, there was a little snow, overcast .. if there were survivors they didn’t have time to freeze. The search terms are more or less good.
      3. loki565
        loki565 12 February 2018 10: 34
        +1
        Maybe a control failure, like this already happened ...
    2. 210ox
      210ox 11 February 2018 19: 24
      +2
      Just do not pay attention. Please. Today is a day off and the right person may not be in place. Although, of course, there are problems with the site. And photos can be fake, and obvious errors in the articles are not corrected.
      Quote: Herkulesich
      First of all, you again list this rating! am fool Secondly, is it impossible to combine all three parts into one? And then you already got a thriller! am
    3. vlad66
      vlad66 11 February 2018 19: 26
      +18
      Sorry request no one survived. Familiar and Close fasten yourselves. We condole you.
      Mourn
      1. Esso
        Esso 11 February 2018 20: 26
        +3
        Sorry for the passengers, suspend flights of all An-148, there are incidents
        On June 4 of 2010 of the year with the An-148 (RA-61701) of Rossiya Airlines operating an FV 132 flight from Moscow to St. Petersburg, a serious incident occurred related to the abnormal operation of the aircraft control system [56]. A short circuit in the EMF circuit caused a failure of one of the control channels, which led to a dive of the aircraft with an angle of 26 ° and a right roll of 56 °. Thanks to the actions of the pilots and the transfer of control into helm mode, the aircraft regained control and landed safely at Pulkovo Airport [57]
        On February 26 of 2012 of the year with the An-148 (RA-61701) of Rossiya Airlines flying from Berlin Schönefeld to St. Petersburg, a serious incident occurred related to the separation of the wheel from the landing gear during the separation of the aircraft from the runway [58].
        10 of September 2017 of the year An-148 aircraft flight 6В-5837 Saratov Airlines on the route Kirov-Simferopol made an emergency landing. In 4: 15, 10 minutes after departure from Pobedilovo (Kirov), the right engine failed in the plane due to a drop in oil pressure. In 6: 15 the aircraft made an emergency landing at the airport of the city of Saratov. It is known that there were 72 passengers and four crew members on board the aircraft.
        1 October 2017 year, while taking off the flight of the airline "Angara" Talakan-Irkutsk, the right engine caught fire. The aircraft made an emergency landing at the port of departure.
        05.03.2011 Russia Belgorod region 6 / 6 Crashed during a training flight before being handed over to the customer. When practicing an emergency reduction, the crew exceeded the speed by 110 km / h higher than the maximum allowable due to its untimely and insufficient actions, which led to the development of the flutter phenomenon [59].
        11.02.2018 RA-61704 Russia The Moscow region, near the village of Stepanovskoye 71 / 71 An-148, flying from Moscow to Orsk, crashed in the suburbs. On board were 65 passengers and six crew members.
        1. Esso
          Esso 11 February 2018 20: 27
          +8
          Issued 44 aircraft-2 lost, 4 accidents. A lot for this number.
          1. yehat
            yehat 12 February 2018 12: 17
            0
            judging by established reasons, all the consequence of operating conditions
            I do not see a single construction related to any fatal flaws.
            ne-2s were also broken at the front by dozens, because the electricians were disgusting to them.
        2. vlad66
          vlad66 11 February 2018 20: 32
          +11
          Quote: Esso
          Sorry for the passengers, suspend flights of all An-148, there are incidents

          In general, the Colleague after accidents with airplanes or ships, the activities of all aircraft or ships of this type of the ship that crashed, are suspended until the cause or order of the responsible person is established. hi
        3. shuravi
          shuravi 11 February 2018 20: 46
          +4
          Quote: Esso
          Sorry for the passengers, suspend flights of all An-148, there are incidents
          On June 4 of 2010 of the year with the An-148 (RA-61701) of Rossiya Airlines operating an FV 132 flight from Moscow to St. Petersburg, a serious incident occurred related to the abnormal operation of the aircraft control system [56]. A short circuit in the EMF circuit caused a failure of one of the control channels, which led to a dive of the aircraft with an angle of 26 ° and a right roll of 56 °. Thanks to the actions of the pilots and the transfer of control into helm mode, the aircraft regained control and landed safely at Pulkovo Airport [57]
          On February 26 of 2012 of the year with the An-148 (RA-61701) of Rossiya Airlines flying from Berlin Schönefeld to St. Petersburg, a serious incident occurred related to the separation of the wheel from the landing gear during the separation of the aircraft from the runway [58].
          10 of September 2017 of the year An-148 aircraft flight 6В-5837 Saratov Airlines on the route Kirov-Simferopol made an emergency landing. In 4: 15, 10 minutes after departure from Pobedilovo (Kirov), the right engine failed in the plane due to a drop in oil pressure. In 6: 15 the aircraft made an emergency landing at the airport of the city of Saratov. It is known that there were 72 passengers and four crew members on board the aircraft.
          1 October 2017 year, while taking off the flight of the airline "Angara" Talakan-Irkutsk, the right engine caught fire. The aircraft made an emergency landing at the port of departure.
          05.03.2011 Russia Belgorod region 6 / 6 Crashed during a training flight before being handed over to the customer. When practicing an emergency reduction, the crew exceeded the speed by 110 km / h higher than the maximum allowable due to its untimely and insufficient actions, which led to the development of the flutter phenomenon [59].
          11.02.2018 RA-61704 Russia The Moscow region, near the village of Stepanovskoye 71 / 71 An-148, flying from Moscow to Orsk, crashed in the suburbs. On board were 65 passengers and six crew members.


          Have you counted the failures in Boeing?
          1. yehat
            yehat 12 February 2018 12: 17
            0
            Boeing has a simple plus - it can plan without engines, if not overloaded
            1. Esso
              Esso 12 February 2018 17: 46
              0
              Boeings have short-range airplanes and are similar in configuration to the Antonovs, no, respectively, we need not look beyond the hill, orient ourselves, but not look.
              1. Esso
                Esso 12 February 2018 17: 50
                0
                Quote: vlad66
                Quote: Esso
                Sorry for the passengers, suspend flights of all An-148, there are incidents

                In general, the Colleague after accidents with airplanes or ships, the activities of all aircraft or ships of this type of the ship that crashed, are suspended until the cause or order of the responsible person is established. hi

                you are right in the military sphere only, but not in the civilian one, they only give a command there, check the ships more carefully before takeoff, imagine all the An-148s will be banned, companies will receive losses, so this practice in the military
  2. ul_vitalii
    ul_vitalii 11 February 2018 19: 12
    +7
    Black boxes oh how hard it will be to look in the snow, but it is necessary. God forbid the terrorist attack.
    1. Herculesic
      Herculesic 11 February 2018 19: 19
      +2
      According to rumors, at least one box has already been found! hi
      1. Logall
        Logall 11 February 2018 19: 24
        +5
        Vitalievich, hi , where did the rumors come from?
        1. Herculesic
          Herculesic 11 February 2018 19: 29
          +2
          Alexander hi in social networks there was such a record, such as from an eyewitness, now it has already been deleted! hi
          1. Logall
            Logall 11 February 2018 19: 48
            +4
            Precisely, all infa goes on social networks ... There are a lot of speculations!
            1. Nikolai Grek
              Nikolai Grek 11 February 2018 20: 56
              +3
              Quote: Logall
              Precisely, all infa goes on social networks ... There are a lot of speculations!

              At the crash site, the main epicenter of a plane glider collision with the ground was discovered. It is located on the slope of the ravine, at an angle. After the impact, the glider was destroyed and the fuselage fragments scattered over a considerable distance. The depth of the funnel at the epicenter of the collision is more than 2,5 meters. At the scene, both engines and fragments of aircraft mechanization were found.

              An external inspection was carried out, which allows us to tentatively assume that the aircraft engine worked up to a collision with the ground. According to preliminary data, the speed of the aircraft at the time of the glider’s collision with the ground was 615-630 km per hour, which preliminary indicates that the pilot tried to level the plane that was at its peak to the last. According to the preliminary version, loss of aircraft control as a result of icing.

              REN TV previously reported that the An-148 aircraft was not treated with anti-icing fluid. According to available information, the captain of the aircraft refused it.

              On board were 71 people, including six crew members. According to recent reports, no one survived as a result of the disaster.
              1. IL-18
                IL-18 11 February 2018 21: 04
                +2
                One box found. Russia 24.
                Woe Condolences to the families and friends of the deceased.
                I beg you, do not put the pluses.
              2. groks
                groks 11 February 2018 21: 31
                +1
                the captain refused it
                This does not happen. No one will ask him. Although ... capitalism.
              3. Makarov
                Makarov 11 February 2018 21: 49
                +1
                How did it refuse? Who is asking him? And how can it be established that the engine worked up to a collision with the ground?
              4. iliitchitch
                iliitchitch 11 February 2018 23: 25
                +3
                Quote: Nikolai the Greek
                According to the preliminary version, the loss of aircraft control as a result of icing.

                4 minutes after take-off, icing. 630km \ h? Not a captain, but a commander. CAM refused. The excuses flew away from the comrades irresponsible, in short. Let's wait for now, but I want to say a lot.
              5. shuravi
                shuravi 12 February 2018 01: 36
                +5
                Quote: Nikolai Grek


                REN TV previously reported that the An-148 aircraft was not treated with anti-icing fluid. According to available information, the captain of the aircraft refused it.


                This is crap. Processing is only necessary so that the aircraft does not freeze in the parking lot.
                And if this happened, then they are fighting on takeoff. In flight, the regular PIC completely copes with icing.
                In addition, icing begins at temperatures from 0 * to -10 *. And if we look at the temperature over the past day and adjusted for height, then this version disappears.
                1. NIKNN
                  NIKNN 12 February 2018 13: 13
                  +3
                  Quote: shuravi
                  This is crap. Processing is only necessary so that the aircraft does not freeze in the parking lot.
                  And if this happened, then they are fighting on takeoff. In flight, the regular PIC completely copes with icing.
                  In addition, icing begins at temperatures from 0 * to -10 *. And if we look at the temperature over the past day and adjusted for height, then this version disappears.

                  Well, of everything available on the network, the following is of interest:
                  Already established: the plane collapsed, killing 71 people. There is evidence that before the crash, the aircraft made sharp maneuvers from one height to another: 1700 meters, then 1900, then again 1700 meters ... And this is at the stage when the An-148 was only to steadily gain altitude. What is this talking about? Something happened so over-emergency that the commander, who is obliged to report all the failures "to the ground", did not have a split second to transfer his hand from the helm to the button of the communication transmitter.
                  http://www.zagolovki.ru/daytheme/avia/12Feb2018
                  I saw somewhere else the flight schedule on the "radar" (this hour I can’t find something) There the speed was not childish walking ...
                  Perhaps all the same icing and failure of aneroid-membrane devices and sensors (I do not know how everything is organized there). The reason may lie as a consequence of not processing (as a special case). In general, it surprises me to give a decision to process the FAC ... Making a decision at a risk the price of which is the life of people for a premium, for saving what Is this generally normal? You are being rewarded for taking such risks ... fool Yes, those who take such a risk in general should not be allowed in aviation !!! After all, aviation has been writing its laws for more than a century.
                  judging by the scatter of the debris, a variant of the explosion suggests itself. I'm afraid this is not explained by the explosion of the engine (well, the blades flew out and poked everything in the way), unless they had torn off the wing and then destroyed it by the air flow ... In general, we should wait for deciphers and analyzes for explosives ...
                  Well, since that is the first opinion.
                  Family condolences deep condolences.
                  1. NIKNN
                    NIKNN 12 February 2018 13: 40
                    +1
                    Quote: NIKNN
                    I saw somewhere else the flight schedule on the "radar" (this hour I can’t find something) There the speed was not childish walking ...

                    Here I found .. https: //www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraf
                    t / ra-61704 # 106596d0
                  2. shuravi
                    shuravi 13 February 2018 11: 29
                    +1
                    Quote: NIKNN

                    I saw somewhere else the flight schedule on the "radar" (this hour I can’t find something) There the speed was not childish walking ...


                    The radar can only determine ground speed relative to the ground.
                    And she can walk because of diving and cabriolet.

                    Perhaps all the same icing and failure of aneroid-membrane devices and sensors (I do not know how everything is organized there). The reason may lie as a consequence of not processing (as a special case).


                    Sensors have personal heating and are duplicated. In addition, membrane-aneroid failure is far from critical. At least cadets of military schools practice this in flight on instruments under the blind.


                    In general, it surprises me to give a decision to process the FAC ... Making a decision at the risk the price of which is the life of people for a premium, for saving what Is this generally normal? You are being rewarded for taking such risks ... fool Yes, those who take such a risk in general should not be allowed in aviation !!! After all, aviation has been writing its laws for more than a century.


                    If the plane is clean, why treatment? After all, this is so as not to freeze on the ground. In the air, a regular PIC works.

                    judging by the scatter of the debris, a variant of the explosion suggests itself. I'm afraid this is not explained by the explosion of the engine (well, the blades flew out and poked everything in the way), unless they had torn off the wing and then destroyed it by the air flow ... In general, we should wait for deciphers and analyzes for explosives ...
                    Well, since that is the first opinion.


                    Most likely a collision with something. Possibly UAV. But the crew was disabled. Otherwise, the crew would have reported problems.
        2. Herculesic
          Herculesic 11 February 2018 19: 39
          +2
          Logall hi -Alexander hi interesting, but on Ren TV in a running strak it is indicated that a black box from an airplane was found! !! belay
          1. q75agent
            q75agent 11 February 2018 19: 51
            +2
            on the website of the same Ren tv, which is just not there: According to the Moscow Interregional Transport Prosecutor’s Office, An-148 flew out from Domodedovo at 14:24, stayed in the air for four minutes, and then disappeared from the radar. According to our correspondent, who a few minutes after the fall managed to get to the crash site almost very close to large debris - it is obvious that the plane began to collapse while still in the air. According to his testimonies, fragments are scattered along a significant path.

            Note that those who are now engaged in the analysis and inspection of the wreckage at the crash site - carefully hide all the details. It got to the point that one of the employees of the Ministry of Emergencies attacked an Izvestia journalist; they need ratings for the journalists, where it’s true, where there’s no
            1. 210ox
              210ox 11 February 2018 20: 06
              +7
              Damn they climb like honey smeared. People have sorrow and this ... they earn money. Drive them out of the democrats!
              Quote: q75agent
              on the website of the same Ren tv, which is just not there: According to the Moscow Interregional Transport Prosecutor’s Office, An-148 flew out from Domodedovo at 14:24, stayed in the air for four minutes, and then disappeared from the radar. According to our correspondent, who a few minutes after the fall managed to get to the crash site almost very close to large debris - it is obvious that the plane began to collapse while still in the air. According to his testimonies, fragments are scattered along a significant path.

              Note that those who are now engaged in the analysis and inspection of the wreckage at the crash site - carefully hide all the details. It got to the point that one of the employees of the Ministry of Emergencies attacked an Izvestia journalist; they need ratings for the journalists, where it’s true, where there’s no
        3. pvv113
          pvv113 11 February 2018 19: 44
          +6
          Hello, hello
          Here is https://rg.ru/2018/02/11/reg-cfo/spasateli-nashli
          -odin-iz-bortovyh-samopiscev-na-meste-krusheniia-
          an-148.html
          1. Solomon Kane
            Solomon Kane 11 February 2018 21: 19
            +5
            Judging by the preliminary claps that eyewitnesses heard before the crash, it is very similar to the surge of the engine with its subsequent destruction,
            The reasons:
            -the output of the aircraft for critical angles of attack;
            - destruction and separation of the impeller blades (for example, due to old age);
            - getting into the engine of a foreign object (bird, snow, a fragment of the concrete cover of the runway);
            - getting into the air intake of powder gases when firing from guns or launching missiles on military aircraft;
            - falling into the air intake of a longitudinal vortex.
            1. Makarov
              Makarov 11 February 2018 21: 52
              +1
              Well, old age is unlikely ... although .... given that 436-148 is a deep modernization of the 36th, and the blades, discs and shafts could easily be removed from the old man, it could be ...
            2. pvv113
              pvv113 11 February 2018 21: 55
              +3
              Konstantin, good evening!
              At an outdoor temperature of plus or minus five, icing of the fuselage and VNA blades is possible, with subsequent disruption of ice and getting into the air intake.
              Although cotton can be regarded as an explosion. Those. the possibility of a terrorist attack
            3. pvv113
              pvv113 11 February 2018 22: 42
              +2
              By the way, even experts do not exclude extraneous interference
              “For today's occasion: one thing is certain: something very incredible happened. It will take a VERY long time to understand what was the matter. Either they will find traces of explosives on the wreckage. I looked at the available actual flight data, listened to conversations with controllers. Everything is very calm and routine, take-off, climb to a height of 6000 ft set by the dispatcher, smooth flight in a given direction - that is, it’s obvious that the autopilot is working and everything is fine. The dispatchers give permission to continue climbing up to 12000 ft, after which the plane simply disappears from the radar. more or less realistic scenarios - everything would have to be different, "writes pilot and psychologist Alexei Gervash.

              Read more at http://www.politonline.ru/interpretation/22892376
              .html
              1. Solomon Kane
                Solomon Kane 11 February 2018 23: 56
                +4
                Volodya, hi
                It is possible that the board could collide with one of the "toys" launched by comfortable summer residents in that area, given the "ceiling" of some quadrocopters up to 5000-5500 m, this could take place ....
                Quadcopter DJI Inspire 2 X5S:
                Weight: 3290 g (without suspension and camera)
                Diagonal Size: 605mm
                Maximum take-off weight: 4000g
                Maximum flight height: 2500m, 5000m (When installing special blades)
                Maximum acceleration: Vertical 4m / s, horizontal 4-9m / s (configurable in the application)
                Maximum speed: 108km / h
                GPS accuracy (with visual sensors turned on): Vertical 0.1m, horizontal 1.5m
                1. pvv113
                  pvv113 12 February 2018 00: 19
                  +2
                  I agree, and this option is not excluded
            4. yehat
              yehat 12 February 2018 12: 21
              0
              It seems to me that the most likely version is a crow in the air intake.
              this explains the sharp dive (-1 slider to climb at minimum speed).
    2. KVU-NSVD
      KVU-NSVD 11 February 2018 19: 19
      +5
      The same thoughts ... It hurts somehow incomprehensibly abruptly (I can’t find the right word) fell .. Close - fasten ....
      1. ul_vitalii
        ul_vitalii 11 February 2018 19: 41
        +7
        At RBC confirmed.
        1. KVU-NSVD
          KVU-NSVD 11 February 2018 19: 51
          +6
          At RBC confirmed
          That same resource is a "confirmer" For the sake of sensation, he will confirm anything, but if an error occurs, then the little one will give a refutation ....
          1. INTER
            INTER 11 February 2018 19: 57
            0
            Is the fall of our plane connected with the fall of the Israeli military?
            What do you think?
            Plus, the State Duma wants to coordinate with them?
            1. Galaxy
              Galaxy 11 February 2018 20: 12
              +7
              am Before you write, you first think, and then write! am
            2. 210ox
              210ox 11 February 2018 20: 13
              +6
              Well, let's not engage in conspiracy theories. By the way, similar "news" about the Mossad attack on a military unit in the Tambov Region was here for a while .... The paper will endure everything. Including nonsense.
              Quote: INTER
              Is the fall of our plane connected with the fall of the Israeli military?
              What do you think?
              Plus, the State Duma wants to coordinate with them?
  3. Herculesic
    Herculesic 11 February 2018 19: 15
    +3
    Actually, although it is clear that hardly anyone survived, to the deepest regret, the subconscious mind doesn’t care about the idea that at least one person, even with serious injuries, has survived, I often have this idea the time of such a catastrophe appears! Sincerely sorry that people died! I hope that all bodies will be identified and put to the ground! Peace be upon them!
  4. SOF
    SOF 11 February 2018 19: 18
    +2
    ... the kingdom of heaven ...
  5. Imh
    Imh 11 February 2018 19: 24
    +4
    I sympathize with the families of the victims.
  6. Danny_storm
    Danny_storm 11 February 2018 19: 27
    +3
    This disaster is like a terrorist attack.
    1. ul_vitalii
      ul_vitalii 11 February 2018 19: 32
      +7
      Debris, bodies, registrars, only they will clarify something, operational work is underway. A state commission has been created.
  7. Andrey K
    Andrey K 11 February 2018 19: 28
    +10
    Kingdom of heaven to the lost ...
    Relatives, friends, condolences ...
    Brace yourself ...
  8. Anyone
    Anyone 11 February 2018 19: 32
    0
    Quote: ul_vitalii
    Black boxes oh how hard it will be to look in the snow, but it is necessary. God forbid the terrorist attack.

    Come on ... They’ll find everything. All the wreckage will be collected for the MAK.
    1. Russia
      Russia 11 February 2018 19: 37
      +8
      And no one doubts, but you are "okay."
  9. Herculesic
    Herculesic 11 February 2018 19: 33
    +3
    Honestly, I want to be told only the truth, so that the late crew are not blamed retroactively! No need to lie, we have the right to know the truth, for we can also end up on an airplane, which will then replenish these terrible statistics, God forbid!
    1. Anyone
      Anyone 11 February 2018 19: 40
      +5
      There is a generally accepted unofficial practice, which can be described as follows: "blame the crew in any incomprehensible situation." If the crew died, then he is likely to be appointed guilty. In fairness, I must say that in most cases it is.
      1. Baloo
        Baloo 11 February 2018 19: 42
        +6
        Quote: Anyone
        There is a generally accepted unofficial practice, which can be described as follows: "blame the crew in any incomprehensible situation." If the crew died, then he is likely to be convicted

        inappropriate koment. this is not being discussed now.
    2. 210ox
      210ox 11 February 2018 21: 31
      0
      I understand you and your indignation. But what about we should know and we may find ourselves in a similar tragedy. And what does KNOWLEDGE help us far from these areas? Are there services, specialists .. They must know and do everything to prevent this from happening .What will we do with this knowledge then? Let's go destroy the MAK, or refuse to fly? And about the fact that we can be THERE .. So it's all in the hands of the Lord ..
      Quote: Herkulesich
      Honestly, I want to be told only the truth, so that the late crew are not blamed retroactively! No need to lie, we have the right to know the truth, for we can also end up on an airplane, which will then replenish these terrible statistics, God forbid!
  10. Anyone
    Anyone 11 February 2018 19: 46
    +2
    Quote: Balu
    Quote: Anyone
    There is a generally accepted unofficial practice, which can be described as follows: "blame the crew in any incomprehensible situation." If the crew died, then he is likely to be convicted

    inappropriate koment. this is not being discussed now.

    What exactly is "inappropriate"? I say, since 16 years was this same "crew member". And my friends were "appointed" guilty.
    1. NN52
      NN52 11 February 2018 20: 01
      +14
      Anyone

      I don’t know where you have been in the 16 carriage for years, and which friends of yours you have been appointed guilty of ....
      But it’s not for you to exactly appoint the crew guilty ...

      Like a crewman. I tell the crew ////
  11. Proton
    Proton 11 February 2018 19: 46
    +1
    Because of the engine most likely all the trouble sad there was infa that this company was fined already, for not proper maintenance of engines
    1. yehat
      yehat 12 February 2018 12: 25
      0
      if the engines simply junk, the pilots would manage to change the trajectory to a gentle glide path and the plane to the belly or field, but would sit down.
      and then a sharp change in trajectory - the thrust fell almost immediately.
  12. Herculesic
    Herculesic 11 February 2018 19: 48
    +9
    Among the dead, three children - three angels became more in heaven! It’s scary, very scary when nature plucks these flowers of life, who haven’t seen anything else in this life! hi Let the creator accept their honest and unsullied souls!
    1. vlad66
      vlad66 11 February 2018 20: 53
      +10
      Quote: Herkulesich
      Among the dead, three children - three angels became more in heaven!

      Lord, this is the most pity for the children. Lord, accept the innocent souls of angels.
  13. Suhow
    Suhow 11 February 2018 19: 55
    +3
    bad news ..... really sorry for the people.
  14. Declarant
    Declarant 11 February 2018 20: 03
    0
    There is no official version of the crash yet. The preliminary reason was called the Mash telegram channel - this is a failure and the subsequent explosion of one of the engines. “First, something exploded under the wing, and it caught fire. After that, there was another flash, and the plane fell sharply down. Everyone saw the flash. Everything was so fast, ”eyewitnesses to the crash reported.
  15. Anyone
    Anyone 11 February 2018 20: 09
    +1
    Quote: NN52
    Anyone

    I don’t know where you have been in the 16 carriage for years, and which friends of yours you have been appointed guilty of ....
    But it’s not for you to exactly appoint the crew guilty ...

    Like a crewman. I tell the crew ////

    Where did you see that I "appointed" the crew guilty? Just the opposite. Read carefully, colleague.
    1. shuravi
      shuravi 11 February 2018 21: 43
      +1
      Quote: Anyone
      Quote: NN52
      Anyone

      I don’t know where you have been in the 16 carriage for years, and which friends of yours you have been appointed guilty of ....
      But it’s not for you to exactly appoint the crew guilty ...

      Like a crewman. I tell the crew ////

      Where did you see that I "appointed" the crew guilty? Just the opposite. Read carefully, colleague.


      Something like that.


      ... Instantly, the consequences of the processes
      Words of experts, a series of versions,
      But if someone’s interests are hurt,
      That will never know the whole truth.

      Who cares about truth and law?
      Like remnants, written off in circulation,
      It’s a long time already familiar fun
      Blame the dead crew.

      Why should everyone know about crashes and failures?
      The news sounds like nonsense on duty,
      And the crew ... so dead, the infection,
      And therefore they do not know shame ...
  16. Jeremiah
    Jeremiah 11 February 2018 20: 16
    +1
    An accurate and unbiased investigation is necessary in order to prevent this from happening in the future .. Of course, you will not return people, sincere condolences to the relatives ... but this will save the lives of others ... It's terrible
  17. Mikado
    Mikado 11 February 2018 20: 25
    0
    rest my soul, Lord ... Condolences to the family ...
  18. PalBor
    PalBor 11 February 2018 20: 26
    +2
    Strange, Ukrainians mock and giggle over Russians in connection with the crash of an airplane. Koshmar. What happened to the people?
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 11 February 2018 20: 42
      +6
      Quote: PalBor
      Strange, Ukrainians mock and giggle

      In this, alas, for a long time there is nothing strange.
      Quote: PalBor
      . What happened to the people?

      Again, alas, but they ceased to be human.
      1. Mikado
        Mikado 11 February 2018 20: 48
        +5
        Again, alas, but they ceased to be human.

        it seems like that. But not all, far from all!
        Yes, and ... Alexander, I will never forget an example of condolences - one of the most powerful words about our St. Petersburg terrorist attack on the metro was written by one-forum member Aron Zaavi from Israel. That's why I will always be grateful to him. That is ... one must be people at such moments, regardless of nationality, place of residence and the difference in state policy. We are together! We, people...
    2. Northern warrior
      Northern warrior 11 February 2018 21: 13
      +2
      What do you want from the rabble of Polish slaves? Do you still believe in the friendship of nations? I stopped believing in her even at school age, so I won’t be surprised at anything. Euro-whores must pay for their actions with poverty, hunger, deaths in the atom, but even this will not be enough for retribution ...
      1. shuravi
        shuravi 11 February 2018 22: 11
        +3
        Quote: Northern warrior
        What do you want from the rabble of Polish slaves? Do you still believe in the friendship of nations? I stopped believing in her even at school age, so I won’t be surprised at anything. Euro-whores must pay for their actions with poverty, hunger, deaths in the atom, but even this will not be enough for retribution ...



        Citizens of Ukraine are different, like Russia. So what are you likened to worse?
        1. Northern warrior
          Northern warrior 11 February 2018 22: 17
          +1
          On the territory of 404, many Russians live, so this does not apply to them. The Russian, who called himself an outskirts, ceases to be Russian and becomes a mankurt. Expect condolences from such ushlepokov or at least silence is clearly not worth it.
          1. shuravi
            shuravi 12 February 2018 01: 22
            +5
            Quote: Northern warrior
            On the territory of 404, many Russians live, so this does not apply to them. The Russian, who called himself an outskirts, ceases to be Russian and becomes a mankurt. Expect condolences from such ushlepokov or at least silence is clearly not worth it.


            Clear. You are the same maydanuty, only with the opposite sign. What essence does not change.
            1. Northern warrior
              Northern warrior 12 February 2018 10: 28
              0
              Don’t poke me. Because of people like you hovering in the clouds, Russia has received a multimillion-dollar crowd of galloping gopotas on the southern border.
              1. shuravi
                shuravi 15 February 2018 01: 04
                +3
                Quote: Northern warrior
                Don’t poke me. Because of people like you hovering in the clouds, Russia has received a multimillion-dollar crowd of galloping gopotas on the southern border.



                Well, before you, you are not mature enough. And Russia got a multimillion-dollar crowd of galloping gopot thanks to your idols to the liberals who betrayed Afghanistan in the nineties. History needs to be known, not taught by liberal manuals.
  19. tuts
    tuts 11 February 2018 20: 43
    +1
    Rest in peace
  20. SCHNIFER
    SCHNIFER 11 February 2018 21: 03
    +1
    Kingdom of heaven
  21. Falcond
    Falcond 11 February 2018 21: 28
    0
    Interesting statistics!

    The likelihood that a passenger boarding a plane will die in a plane crash is approximately 1/8. If a passenger lands every day on a random flight, it will take him 000 years to die.
  22. Falcond
    Falcond 11 February 2018 21: 29
    +1
    Rest in peace...

    A terrible death at such an altitude ...
  23. Northern warrior
    Northern warrior 11 February 2018 21: 37
    +3
    I went to censor and realized that GDP is the most humane ruler in the history of Russia. I would have turned this adder near by into a nuclear testing ground, and I would have forced the Sumerians who survived by chance to relocate to the Efrat region. Well this is what you need to have patience in order not to succumb to the temptation to bring this evil to the root! I think that very many would gladly participate in this interesting and extremely necessary event for the Homeland.
    For those who are still in the clouds ...

    1. yehat
      yehat 12 February 2018 12: 40
      +1
      why measure the nation by halfwits? Usually, society strictly controls the behavior of such people, but in Ukraine, society does not control anything but the use of movs.
      or do you think there are fewer such people in England or Germany?
  24. mydanik
    mydanik 11 February 2018 22: 21
    +1
    Tradition, once a year airplane fool
    1. Okolotochny
      Okolotochny 11 February 2018 23: 48
      +6
      Knock yourself a little, better on the asphalt.
  25. theadenter
    theadenter 11 February 2018 22: 42
    0
    Condolences to the families and friends of the deceased.
  26. dmmyak40
    dmmyak40 11 February 2018 23: 48
    +2
    Quote: Makarov
    How did it refuse? Who is asking him? And how can it be established that the engine worked up to a collision with the ground?

    Please refrain from stupid and unprofessional comments. Especially for you: the decision to treat with anti-icing fluid is made ONLY by the aircraft commander after inspecting the surface of the wings, engines, stabilizer, etc.
    1. Cook
      Cook 12 February 2018 10: 19
      0
      In fairness: at present, the decision to conduct, or to refuse anti-icing treatment, is taken on the basis of consensus between the aircraft commander and the technical services specialist, preparing the aircraft for flight and its release. If at least one of them states that processing is necessary, the aircraft must certainly be processed.
    2. Makarov
      Makarov 12 February 2018 14: 04
      0
      Especially for you: After the disaster in Tyumen, the commander is politely sent to the ass with his opinion if the engineer letting the plane just think that processing is required. And yes, please refrain from unprofessional comments.
  27. armourer
    armourer 12 February 2018 03: 12
    +1
    My condolences
  28. antiamerikan
    antiamerikan 12 February 2018 03: 14
    0
    enemy aircraft
    1. Romulus
      Romulus 12 February 2018 03: 26
      +1
      Quote: antiamerikan
      enemy aircraft

      fool An-148 is a joint Russian-Ukrainian project, aircraft were manufactured at the Voronezh aircraft factory. Since the beginning of the Russian-Ukrainian conflict, their production in Russia has been curtailed.
    2. shuravi
      shuravi 12 February 2018 10: 06
      +1
      Quote: antiamerikan
      enemy aircraft

      Ban bobiks and watermelons?
      1. Petr1968
        Petr1968 12 February 2018 11: 19
        +1
        Quote: shuravi
        Ban bobiks and watermelons?

        Definitely! And foreign cars. Do you know how many people die in them? Thousands!
  29. antiamerikan
    antiamerikan 12 February 2018 05: 45
    0
    and meanwhile on the east bank ...
    1. alexxxz
      alexxxz 12 February 2018 14: 41
      0
      ... The helicopter caught fire during a hard landing in the Tomsk region.
      http://www.interfax.ru/russia/599566
      Everybody is alive. And thank God!
  30. Mwg
    Mwg 12 February 2018 07: 00
    +2
    The kingdom of heaven is lost.
    Sincere condolences to the families of the victims.
  31. alexxxz
    alexxxz 12 February 2018 14: 34
    0
    http://www.interfax.ru/russia/599572
    The plane crashed from a blow to the ground. At a speed of 650 km / h. or so. Which led to a significant scatter of debris. There is no chance of surviving under such circumstances.
    Earth rest in peace! I feel sorry for the children. Condolences to the near and dear ones. Brace yourself!
    Both black boxes were found at the An-148 crash site in the Moscow Region, Interfax was told in the operational headquarters at the emergency site - http://www.interfax.ru/russia/599583
    We are waiting for the conclusions of the commission.
  32. nick.guda
    nick.guda 12 February 2018 17: 29
    0
    my condolences to the relatives and friends of the victims .... I grieve
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  34. dmmyak40
    dmmyak40 12 February 2018 21: 25
    0
    Quote: Makarov
    Especially for you: After the disaster in Tyumen, the commander is politely sent to the ass with his opinion if the engineer letting the plane just think that processing is required. And yes, please refrain from unprofessional comments.

    Reduce sarcasm in tone, you are my ironic. If something has changed since I was decommissioned from flying, it’s cultural, as my mother taught in childhood, tell me.
    Are you my professional? Tell me, please, is your flying time in hours? My flight time is 18 hours of accident-free flight, pilot engineer, pilot instructor, Leningrad Academy of Civil Aviation with honors. He commissioned commanders from Kazan to Ordzhonikidze.