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Americans and Swedes have been waiting for India to “mature” under fighter contracts

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Representatives of the American Boeing Corporation and the Swedish manufacturer SAAB expressed some impatience with India's final procurement plans during an international arms exhibition in Singapore. aviation technicians. We are talking about New Delhi's plans to acquire fighters for the country's naval forces. India previously announced that it intends to purchase 57 military aircraft. A statement was made that they would either purchase from Boeing, or from SAAB, or in proportions from some and others.


Representatives of the American and Swedish corporations in Singapore expressed the hope that, at least in 2019, India would still decide with whom and in what quantity fighters would contract.

Boeing Co offers F / A-18 Super Hornet, and SAAB AB offers Gripen M.

The representative of the Indian Navy said that at the moment in India, work is underway to describe the specific requirements for aircraft that are planned to be purchased. In addition, it is emphasized that the country's leadership is considering the future contract through the prism of the “Made in India” program. This program consists in the fact that if we make purchases of military equipment abroad, the supplier must transfer to the Indian side also the production technology.

Americans and Swedes have been waiting for India to “mature” under fighter contracts


Earlier in the Indian press appeared information about the US readiness to open in the Indian territory production facilities for assembling aircraft F-16.
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  1. Thrall
    Thrall 10 February 2018 10: 40
    +8
    Indians are still "nailed", so for them there is nothing better than simple and reliable Russian technology smile
    This is my personal marketing research ...
    1. bane's jacket
      bane's jacket 10 February 2018 10: 47
      +6
      Quote: Thrall
      Indians are still "nailed", so for them there is nothing better than simple and reliable Russian technology smile
      This is my personal marketing research ...

      You probably ride a Lada? Why only Lukashenko does not understand this and does not go to them? request
      1. Teberii
        Teberii 10 February 2018 10: 53
        +1
        Indians are collecting the best equipment to date, read carefully with the transfer of technology, when they collect everything they need, they will produce their own.
        1. Thrall
          Thrall 10 February 2018 11: 10
          +8
          Quote: Teberii
          Indians are collecting the best equipment to date, read carefully with the transfer of technology, when they collect everything they need, they will produce their own.

          I am about the mentality of Indian pilots and technicians, as it were. Read me carefully hi
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic 10 February 2018 11: 44
            +5
            Go to nirvana and stay there is the question of mentality laughing
            1. Thrall
              Thrall 10 February 2018 11: 58
              +2
              Quote: Ascetic
              Go to nirvana and stay there is the question of mentality laughing

              And that, perhaps, this is the most common reason for the fall of Indian Dryers. smile
        2. ul_vitalii
          ul_vitalii 10 February 2018 11: 24
          +7
          This will become a habit with them, and technology will be collected. Usually all the best is given to children.
          1. Kasym
            Kasym 10 February 2018 13: 25
            +6
            It seems that the Indians want to collect all the fighters of the world at home. laughing
            MiG-21, 27, 29, 29K; Su-30; Jaguars and Mirages, Rafali and Grippen, F-16 and maybe F-35, their own Hal. And how to service it all the more so to collect? Let the technology collect further. hi
            1. Peter Rusin
              Peter Rusin 11 February 2018 15: 54
              +1
              That they are working out a secret technology of service and logistics, called "RANGE", then they will trade patents for it!))))))
            2. Abel
              Abel 11 February 2018 20: 55
              +1
              So they will assemble the children's designer: the fuselage from one, the wings from the other, the tail from the third, the weapons from the fourth, the avionics from the fifth, etc. I wonder what will happen?
        3. Sands Careers General
          Sands Careers General 10 February 2018 15: 10
          +1
          This "best technique" constantly broke on the tank biathlon. For which the Indians were removed. Only T-90 was spoiled by their Bhisma, purged T-72.
        4. Abel
          Abel 11 February 2018 20: 53
          0
          Technology transfer is not just about transferring an assembly and installation diagram. The Chinese also laid tanks, but the metal is not the same. That axis fly fingers. Knowing HOW to do this does not mean doing well.
      2. Andrey K
        Andrey K 10 February 2018 11: 12
        +12
        Quote: bane jacket
        ... You probably ride a Lada? Why only Lukashenko does not understand this and does not go to them? request...

        Colleague, well!
        What is your "translation of the arrows" and the transition to a discussion of personalities?
        Thrall's personality is not the topic of this article, with all due respect.
        Calm down.
        1. just exp
          just exp 10 February 2018 11: 49
          +3
          this is not a translation of arrows. This is a regular bot of the State Department, it has a reg of February 6th.
          after the election, he will disappear until the next election.
        2. bane's jacket
          bane's jacket 10 February 2018 14: 53
          +1
          Quote: Andrey K
          Quote: bane jacket
          ... You probably ride a Lada? Why only Lukashenko does not understand this and does not go to them? request...

          Colleague, well!
          What is your "translation of the arrows" and the transition to a discussion of personalities?
          Thrall's personality is not the topic of this article, with all due respect.
          Calm down.

          What does Thrall have to do with it? A man stands for a simple and reliable technique. Lada is a very simple and reliable technology without any on-board computers, air conditioners and such nonsense ... So I ask him whether he prefers it or still prefers foreign cars? What is the "arrow translation"?
          1. Abel
            Abel 11 February 2018 20: 58
            0
            Of course, a foreign car is more comfortable. BUT. Before, my friend drove a repair kit in the trunk of the Volga and climbed under a car anywhere and could repair it. And try to repair the stalled not even Merc. Only at the station
            1. bane's jacket
              bane's jacket 12 February 2018 07: 00
              0
              Quote: Abel
              Of course, a foreign car is more comfortable. BUT. Before, my friend drove a repair kit in the trunk of the Volga and climbed under a car anywhere and could repair it. And try to repair the stalled not even Merc. Only at the station

              A foreign car is not only more comfortable, but also more technologically advanced, more economical and safer. With all its pillows, ABSs, CAP and on-board computers ... And if you talk like you do, then you need to change to the earliest cars. There in general, a minimum of details and even less to break. hi
      3. Thrall
        Thrall 10 February 2018 11: 13
        +1
        Quote: bane jacket
        You probably ride a Lada? Why only Lukashenko does not understand this and does not go to them? request

        I have long noticed that Lukashenko acts on you like sunlight at midnight. smile
      4. Alex-a832
        Alex-a832 10 February 2018 12: 01
        +6
        Quote: bane jacket
        Quote: Thrall
        Indians are still "nailed", so for them there is nothing better than simple and reliable Russian technology smile
        This is my personal marketing research ...

        You probably ride a Lada? Why only Lukashenko does not understand this and does not go to them? request

        For those naive who believe in such provocative comments as yours, I explain: In the Union (Russia), in contrast to the West, defense technology and civil engineering technology went in different ways, including at the level of metal technology. Everything really advanced was secreted and transferred to the defense industry. As a result, the gap between the level of technology between the defense industry and civil engineering is huge. As a result, Russian (Soviet) military equipment is in many ways the most reliable in the world. Civil no.
        1. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 11 February 2018 16: 44
          0
          Quote: Alex-a832

          For those naive who believe in such provocative comments as yours, I explain: In the Union (Russia), in contrast to the West, defense technology and civil engineering technology went in different ways, including at the level of metal technology. Everything really advanced was secreted and transferred to the defense industry. As a result, the gap between the level of technology between the defense industry and civil engineering is huge. As a result, Russian (Soviet) military equipment is in many ways the most reliable in the world. Civil no.

          Alex, of course you are right. But at the same time, I draw attention to such an indisputable fact - Wealthy countries prefer to buy more expensive Amarican, western, rather than Russian, cheaper aircraft. Why's that? Maybe because the Russian engine of a combat aircraft consumes more fuel per unit of power, maybe because Russian electronics weighs twice as much as competitors, maybe because our air-to-air long-range missiles are not so long-range? I don’t know, I’m just asking questions. Hindus are well aware of our technique and, for some reason, are trying to acquire Yusovskaya or Western. Why?
          1. Abel
            Abel 11 February 2018 21: 00
            0
            In Chernobyl, the Japanese, American, and German specialized vehicles died together. And rude, centimeter Soviet relys clapped contacts throughout the district, but they worked. That is the difference.
            1. Krasnoyarsk
              Krasnoyarsk 12 February 2018 20: 32
              0
              Quote: Abel
              In Chernobyl, the Japanese, American, and German specialized vehicles died together. And rude, centimeter Soviet relys clapped contacts throughout the district, but they worked. That is the difference.

              It’s harder for Potov to “clatter on the whole district” as a joke, of course. But, as they say - in every joke ...
    2. Giant thought
      Giant thought 10 February 2018 10: 50
      +3
      The Swedes and mattresses didn’t work closely on large-scale contracts with the Indians, let the French ask about their epic with the Rafales, and do not hope for an early resolution of the issue, because the Indians initially said “yes”, this does not mean that in the end “ not".
      1. Peter Rusin
        Peter Rusin 11 February 2018 15: 57
        0
        I agree, especially if you take into account that the Indians are fans of KAMASUTRA))
    3. vlad66
      vlad66 10 February 2018 11: 15
      +7
      During the international arms exhibition in Singapore, representatives of the American Boeing Corporation and the Swedish manufacturer SAAB expressed a certain impatience with respect to India's final plans for the purchase of aircraft.

      The French, too, were waiting with the Rafals what waited a very long time ..... Therefore
    4. siberalt
      siberalt 10 February 2018 13: 02
      +1
      Selling technology is the same as giving your wife to your uncle, and go to ... lol
  2. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 10 February 2018 10: 40
    +1
    Hindus, not such suckers as the USA hopes ... Let's see who else takes ..!
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 10 February 2018 10: 49
      +2
      But the Americans, too. Look at the Old about the F-16. They also want to wind up the old stuff, even though the F -16 plane is good, but it also fits the years.
      1. ul_vitalii
        ul_vitalii 10 February 2018 11: 28
        +6
        And avionics, controlled from the CP in Texas.
  3. Andrey K
    Andrey K 10 February 2018 10: 42
    +12
    ... The representative of the Indian Navy noted that at the moment, work is underway in India to describe the specific requirements for aircraft that are planned to be purchased ...

    Hindus with their "bidding" and mattresses with Swedes weary.
    How many tenders have already been announced and how many have already been canceled.
    What they can’t take away - they will bargain until they turn blue.
    As a result, they will buy from us laughing
    1. kapitan92
      kapitan92 10 February 2018 11: 05
      +4
      Quote: Andrey K
      As a result, they will buy from us

      And what can they buy from us? More precisely, what can we offer? SU 33, MIG 29K is the entire range for aircraft carrier ships.

      LTX MiG-29K and Su-33

      Length: 17,4 m - 21,18 m
      Height: 5,2 m - 5,72 m
      Wingspan: 11,99 m - 14,7 m
      Wing Area: 42 sq.m. - 67,8 sq.m.

      Empty weight: 12700 kg - 19600 kg
      Maximum take-off weight: 22400 kg - 33000 kg

      Engine thrust: 2 × 5500 kgf - 2 × 7670 kgf
      Afterburner thrust: 8800 kgf - 12500 kgf

      Maximum speed at ground: 1400 km / h - 1300 km / h
      Maximum speed at altitude: 2300 km / h - 2300 km / h

      Combat radius without PTB: 850 km - 1000 km
      Combat radius with 3 PTBs: 1300 km - no PTBs
      Practical ceiling: 17500 m - 17000 m
      Rate of climb: 300 m / s - n / d

      Takeoff run: 110 m - 105 m
      Mileage: 90 m - 90 m

      Combat load: 4500−5500 kg - 6500 kg
      Number of suspension points: 8 - 10
      Cannon armament: 30 mm cannon, 150 rounds - 30 mm cannon, 150 rounds.
      If the Indians raise the question of diversifying supplies of carrier-based aircraft, then nothing shines for us.
      Given the shift vector to "friendship" with mattresses, the advantage is F 18. (IMHO) hi


      1. Andrey K
        Andrey K 10 February 2018 11: 15
        +6
        Quote: kapitan92
        ... Given the shift vector to "friendship" with mattresses, the advantage is F 18 ...

        Yes, who would mind, let them acquire the F-18. Only after all, the load depends on American consumables, services and other "democratic" charms.
        Do not buy, mark my word.
        They will be their "friendship" with mattresses, to bring down the price of our equipment.
        1. kapitan92
          kapitan92 10 February 2018 23: 22
          +2
          Quote: Andrey K
          Do not buy, mark my word.

          A bottle of good vodka! Bet! Mail works. Do not mind?
          Quote: Andrey K
          They will be their "friendship" with mattresses, to bring down the price of our equipment.

          He’ll live - we'll see. Well, bet? hi drinks
          1. Andrey K
            Andrey K 10 February 2018 23: 35
            +5
            Quote: kapitan92
            ... a bottle of good vodka! Bet!...

            Sure, not a problem.
            I lose - I have a bubble. You are a small packet of good, grain coffee from you (after the second concussion, the Aesculapius banned alcohol) laughing
            Well, like this:
            Hindus mumble mattresses and do not buy F-18 - my coffee.
            Hindus mumble mattresses and buy F-18 - your bubble.
            We are slaughtering? hi
            1. kapitan92
              kapitan92 10 February 2018 23: 58
              +3
              Quote: Andrey K
              Hindus mumble mattresses and do not buy F-18

              Sly, odkako! Hindus do not buy f 18, but buy something of ours, coffee from me.
              Quote: Andrey K
              Hindus mumble mattresses and buy F-18

              Hindus buy f 18. bottle with you.
              It follows from your post
              Scored? laughing
              1. Andrey K
                Andrey K 11 February 2018 00: 09
                +5
                Quote: kapitan92
                ... Sly, odkako! ...

                You understood everything perfectly and understood where in the bet you proposed, there is an extra vulnerability laughing
                I once in Chechnya, in a dispute, squeezed out two sheep from one elder. The outpost was neighing, the aksakal was offended - his infidel was lying laughing
                Hindus do not buy F-18 - you lost.
                Hindus buy F-18 - I lost.
                You bet on these conditions? wink
                Well, man said - man did!
                Scored? laughing
                1. kapitan92
                  kapitan92 11 February 2018 00: 21
                  +3
                  Hindus with their "bidding" and mattresses with Swedes weary.
                  How many tenders have already been announced and how many have already been canceled.
                  What they can’t take away - they will bargain until they turn blue.
                  As a result, they will buy from us

                  Andrei! This is your post.
                  Yes, who would mind, let them acquire the F-18. Only after all, the load depends on American consumables, services and other "democratic" charms.
                  Do not buy, mark my word.

                  This is also your post, but here you remove the purchase of our equipment. laughing


                  Quote: Andrey K
                  Hindus do not buy F-18 - you lost.
                  Hindus buy F-18 - I lost.

                  I didn’t serve in Chechnya, I served in the USSR in ZakVO, I sold them to Kama’s trailer for one boar and 40 liters of good port wine Mr. Agdam.
                  Hindus do not buy F 18, but take something of ours (your words), coffee from me.
                  Hindus buy F 18, a bottle from you. good drinks hi
                  1. Andrey K
                    Andrey K 11 February 2018 00: 26
                    +5
                    kapitan92
                    Vyacheslav laughing lol wassat
                    You bet on a bet attached to the second post? laughing
                    It’s not a bubble, for me it’s not important good drinks hi
                    1. kapitan92
                      kapitan92 11 February 2018 00: 31
                      +3
                      Quote: Andrey K
                      kapitan92
                      Vyacheslav laughing lol wassat
                      You bet on a bet attached to the second post? laughing
                      It’s not a bubble, for me it’s not important good drinks hi

                      Yes, for me too! laughing
                      So, if you buy from the Swedes, then the bottle and coffee from the author of the article are for both of us. drinks hi (admins will take control) fellow
                      1. Andrey K
                        Andrey K 11 February 2018 00: 32
                        +5
                        On that and decided laughing
                  2. Andrey K
                    Andrey K 11 February 2018 00: 31
                    +5
                    kapitan92
                    Scored drinks
                    If the Indians let me down, I'll send our Samara bubble laughing
                    1. kapitan92
                      kapitan92 11 February 2018 00: 39
                      +3
                      Quote: Andrey K
                      kapitan92
                      Scored drinks
                      If the Indians let me down, I'll send our Samara bubble laughing

                      Scored! drinks hi
  4. ded100
    ded100 10 February 2018 10: 51
    +2
    Let them wait further! wassat
  5. Berkut24
    Berkut24 10 February 2018 10: 57
    +4
    This program consists in the fact that if one purchases military equipment abroad, the supplier must transfer production technology to the Indian side.

    Well, and, of course, the most modern and advanced models of military equipment, with the most advanced technologies, preferably with an unsecured signature stamp, and for all 10 rupees.
    1. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 10 February 2018 11: 22
      0
      Quote: Berkut24
      Well, and, of course, the most modern and advanced models of military equipment, with the most advanced technologies, preferably with an unsecured signature stamp, and for all 10 rupees.

      Indian "swings" are flying, flying, flying-I-II ....
  6. pastooh37
    pastooh37 10 February 2018 11: 01
    +1
    What is the aim of the Indians - to collect a collection of airplanes around the world, or to create combat-ready aircraft?
    1. Laughtermaster
      Laughtermaster 10 February 2018 15: 23
      0
      Neither one nor the other, just reduce unemployment. The article states that this is a "Made in India" program. wassat
  7. Simon
    Simon 10 February 2018 12: 24
    +2
    Quote: Teberii
    Indians are collecting the best equipment to date, read carefully with the transfer of technology, when they collect everything they need, they will produce their own.

    They will produce theirs when they get the technology! We had disagreements with them because of this, after that our drying at them beganbad fly"Now they are looking for those who will sell them all the production technology, along with airplanes. I think that there are no fools in the world who will produce competitors! fool
  8. Piramidon
    Piramidon 10 February 2018 12: 31
    +1
    The Hindus are taking everyone to starvation, waiting for who will dump the price more.
  9. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 10 February 2018 14: 43
    +1
    Quote: Piramidon
    The Hindus are taking everyone to starvation, waiting for who will dump the price more.

    As a result, they will buy an obsolete product with backward technologies during the bidding process. In India, there are no less lovers of kickbacks than under Kasyan in the Russian Federation. The winner is the one who "gives the bargain" more, and everything else is mostly foggy cover for ordinary bribery, and not a struggle for technology.
  10. Lexus
    Lexus 10 February 2018 17: 26
    +1
    Roll out the lips. Well, if we have "the promise of three years waiting," then the Indians have a completely different story.
  11. Wolka
    Wolka 10 February 2018 19: 12
    0
    india everything is wandering like a bride for marriage, but in fact it’s already an old woman in the military market ...
  12. ganjin
    ganjin 11 February 2018 08: 26
    +1
    Quote: bane jacket
    Quote: Thrall
    Indians are still "nailed", so for them there is nothing better than simple and reliable Russian technology smile
    This is my personal marketing research ...

    You probably ride a Lada? Why only Lukashenko does not understand this and does not go to them? request

    I wonder what kind of Russian military equipment do you compare with Lada? Maybe airplanes? Well, for example, su-27, 30, 34, 35? Maybe helicopters? Let's say ka-52, mi-28n? And, probably, tanks. Not ships with submarines. I will not speak about missile systems, including anti-aircraft systems and electronic warfare systems. It is unlikely that you had them in mind. By the way, I could be wrong, but Russia is second in terms of arms sales. Probably many are not bad at such "Lada".
  13. krokus792
    krokus792 11 February 2018 10: 29
    0
    Smiled that the pilot with a beard wassat
  14. Abel
    Abel 11 February 2018 20: 51
    0
    There were tanks with folding axles. Now there will be airplanes with folding wings. I can imagine an Indian fighter. And to deliver airplanes without transferring technology to Pakistan. And I bet.
  15. dm-itry
    dm-itry 12 February 2018 00: 03
    0
    No one in their right mind will give them the technology of modern aircraft, so for so long and there is no contract.