Americans and Swedes have been waiting for India to “mature” under fighter contracts

Representatives of the American Boeing Corporation and the Swedish manufacturer SAAB expressed some impatience with India's final procurement plans during an international arms exhibition in Singapore. aviation technicians. We are talking about New Delhi's plans to acquire fighters for the country's naval forces. India previously announced that it intends to purchase 57 military aircraft. A statement was made that they would either purchase from Boeing, or from SAAB, or in proportions from some and others.

Representatives of the American and Swedish corporations in Singapore expressed the hope that, at least in 2019, India would still decide with whom and in what quantity fighters would contract.

Boeing Co offers F / A-18 Super Hornet, and SAAB AB offers Gripen M.

The representative of the Indian Navy said that at the moment in India, work is underway to describe the specific requirements for aircraft that are planned to be purchased. In addition, it is emphasized that the country's leadership is considering the future contract through the prism of the “Made in India” program. This program consists in the fact that if we make purchases of military equipment abroad, the supplier must transfer to the Indian side also the production technology.

Earlier in the Indian press appeared information about the US readiness to open in the Indian territory production facilities for assembling aircraft F-16.

Comments

[Thrall]

Indians are still "nailed", so for them there is nothing better than simple and reliable Russian technology
This is my personal marketing research ...

[bane's jacket]

Quote: Thrall

Indians are still "nailed", so for them there is nothing better than simple and reliable Russian technology
This is my personal marketing research ...

You probably ride a Lada? Why only Lukashenko does not understand this and does not go to them?

[Teberii]

Indians are collecting the best equipment to date, read carefully with the transfer of technology, when they collect everything they need, they will produce their own.

[Thrall]

Quote: Teberii

Indians are collecting the best equipment to date, read carefully with the transfer of technology, when they collect everything they need, they will produce their own.

I am about the mentality of Indian pilots and technicians, as it were. Read me carefully

[Ascetic]

Go to nirvana and stay there is the question of mentality

[Thrall]

Quote: Ascetic

Go to nirvana and stay there is the question of mentality

And that, perhaps, this is the most common reason for the fall of Indian Dryers.

[ul_vitalii]

This will become a habit with them, and technology will be collected. Usually all the best is given to children.

[Kasym]

It seems that the Indians want to collect all the fighters of the world at home.
MiG-21, 27, 29, 29K; Su-30; Jaguars and Mirages, Rafali and Grippen, F-16 and maybe F-35, their own Hal. And how to service it all the more so to collect? Let the technology collect further.

[Peter Rusin]

That they are working out a secret technology of service and logistics, called "RANGE", then they will trade patents for it!))))))

[Abel]

So they will assemble the children's designer: the fuselage from one, the wings from the other, the tail from the third, the weapons from the fourth, the avionics from the fifth, etc. I wonder what will happen?

[Sands Careers General]

This "best technique" constantly broke on the tank biathlon. For which the Indians were removed. Only T-90 was spoiled by their Bhisma, purged T-72.

[Abel]

Technology transfer is not just about transferring an assembly and installation diagram. The Chinese also laid tanks, but the metal is not the same. That axis fly fingers. Knowing HOW to do this does not mean doing well.

[Andrey K]

Quote: bane jacket

... You probably ride a Lada? Why only Lukashenko does not understand this and does not go to them? ...

Colleague, well!
What is your "translation of the arrows" and the transition to a discussion of personalities?
Thrall's personality is not the topic of this article, with all due respect.
Calm down.

[just exp]

this is not a translation of arrows. This is a regular bot of the State Department, it has a reg of February 6th.
after the election, he will disappear until the next election.

[bane's jacket]

Quote: Andrey K

Quote: bane jacket

... You probably ride a Lada? Why only Lukashenko does not understand this and does not go to them? ...

Colleague, well!
What is your "translation of the arrows" and the transition to a discussion of personalities?
Thrall's personality is not the topic of this article, with all due respect.
Calm down.

What does Thrall have to do with it? A man stands for a simple and reliable technique. Lada is a very simple and reliable technology without any on-board computers, air conditioners and such nonsense ... So I ask him whether he prefers it or still prefers foreign cars? What is the "arrow translation"?

[Abel]

Of course, a foreign car is more comfortable. BUT. Before, my friend drove a repair kit in the trunk of the Volga and climbed under a car anywhere and could repair it. And try to repair the stalled not even Merc. Only at the station

[bane's jacket]

Quote: Abel

Of course, a foreign car is more comfortable. BUT. Before, my friend drove a repair kit in the trunk of the Volga and climbed under a car anywhere and could repair it. And try to repair the stalled not even Merc. Only at the station

A foreign car is not only more comfortable, but also more technologically advanced, more economical and safer. With all its pillows, ABSs, CAP and on-board computers ... And if you talk like you do, then you need to change to the earliest cars. There in general, a minimum of details and even less to break.

[Thrall]

Quote: bane jacket

You probably ride a Lada? Why only Lukashenko does not understand this and does not go to them?

I have long noticed that Lukashenko acts on you like sunlight at midnight.

[Alex-a832]

Quote: bane jacket

Quote: Thrall

Indians are still "nailed", so for them there is nothing better than simple and reliable Russian technology
This is my personal marketing research ...

You probably ride a Lada? Why only Lukashenko does not understand this and does not go to them?

For those naive who believe in such provocative comments as yours, I explain: In the Union (Russia), in contrast to the West, defense technology and civil engineering technology went in different ways, including at the level of metal technology. Everything really advanced was secreted and transferred to the defense industry. As a result, the gap between the level of technology between the defense industry and civil engineering is huge. As a result, Russian (Soviet) military equipment is in many ways the most reliable in the world. Civil no.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Alex-a832

For those naive who believe in such provocative comments as yours, I explain: In the Union (Russia), in contrast to the West, defense technology and civil engineering technology went in different ways, including at the level of metal technology. Everything really advanced was secreted and transferred to the defense industry. As a result, the gap between the level of technology between the defense industry and civil engineering is huge. As a result, Russian (Soviet) military equipment is in many ways the most reliable in the world. Civil no.

Alex, of course you are right. But at the same time, I draw attention to such an indisputable fact - Wealthy countries prefer to buy more expensive Amarican, western, rather than Russian, cheaper aircraft. Why's that? Maybe because the Russian engine of a combat aircraft consumes more fuel per unit of power, maybe because Russian electronics weighs twice as much as competitors, maybe because our air-to-air long-range missiles are not so long-range? I don’t know, I’m just asking questions. Hindus are well aware of our technique and, for some reason, are trying to acquire Yusovskaya or Western. Why?

[Abel]

In Chernobyl, the Japanese, American, and German specialized vehicles died together. And rude, centimeter Soviet relys clapped contacts throughout the district, but they worked. That is the difference.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Abel

In Chernobyl, the Japanese, American, and German specialized vehicles died together. And rude, centimeter Soviet relys clapped contacts throughout the district, but they worked. That is the difference.

It’s harder for Potov to “clatter on the whole district” as a joke, of course. But, as they say - in every joke ...

[Giant thought]

The Swedes and mattresses didn’t work closely on large-scale contracts with the Indians, let the French ask about their epic with the Rafales, and do not hope for an early resolution of the issue, because the Indians initially said “yes”, this does not mean that in the end “ not".

[Peter Rusin]

I agree, especially if you take into account that the Indians are fans of KAMASUTRA))

[vlad66]

During the international arms exhibition in Singapore, representatives of the American Boeing Corporation and the Swedish manufacturer SAAB expressed a certain impatience with respect to India's final plans for the purchase of aircraft.

The French, too, were waiting with the Rafals waited a very long time ..... Therefore

[siberalt]

Selling technology is the same as giving your wife to your uncle, and go to ...

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Hindus, not such suckers as the USA hopes ... Let's see who else takes ..!

[APASUS]

But the Americans, too. Look at the Old about the F-16. They also want to wind up the old stuff, even though the F -16 plane is good, but it also fits the years.

[ul_vitalii]

And avionics, controlled from the CP in Texas.

[Andrey K]

... The representative of the Indian Navy noted that at the moment, work is underway in India to describe the specific requirements for aircraft that are planned to be purchased ...

Hindus with their "bidding" and mattresses with Swedes weary.
How many tenders have already been announced and how many have already been canceled.
What they can’t take away - they will bargain until they turn blue.
As a result, they will buy from us

[kapitan92]

Quote: Andrey K

As a result, they will buy from us

And what can they buy from us? More precisely, what can we offer? SU 33, MIG 29K is the entire range for aircraft carrier ships.

LTX MiG-29K and Su-33

Length: 17,4 m - 21,18 m
Height: 5,2 m - 5,72 m
Wingspan: 11,99 m - 14,7 m
Wing Area: 42 sq.m. - 67,8 sq.m.

Empty weight: 12700 kg - 19600 kg
Maximum take-off weight: 22400 kg - 33000 kg

Engine thrust: 2 × 5500 kgf - 2 × 7670 kgf
Afterburner thrust: 8800 kgf - 12500 kgf

Maximum speed at ground: 1400 km / h - 1300 km / h
Maximum speed at altitude: 2300 km / h - 2300 km / h

Combat radius without PTB: 850 km - 1000 km
Combat radius with 3 PTBs: 1300 km - no PTBs
Practical ceiling: 17500 m - 17000 m
Rate of climb: 300 m / s - n / d

Takeoff run: 110 m - 105 m
Mileage: 90 m - 90 m

Combat load: 4500−5500 kg - 6500 kg
Number of suspension points: 8 - 10
Cannon armament: 30 mm cannon, 150 rounds - 30 mm cannon, 150 rounds.
If the Indians raise the question of diversifying supplies of carrier-based aircraft, then nothing shines for us.
Given the shift vector to "friendship" with mattresses, the advantage is F 18. (IMHO)

[Andrey K]

Quote: kapitan92

... Given the shift vector to "friendship" with mattresses, the advantage is F 18 ...

Yes, who would mind, let them acquire the F-18. Only after all, the load depends on American consumables, services and other "democratic" charms.
Do not buy, mark my word.
They will be their "friendship" with mattresses, to bring down the price of our equipment.

[kapitan92]

Quote: Andrey K

Do not buy, mark my word.

A bottle of good vodka! Bet! Mail works. Do not mind?

Quote: Andrey K

They will be their "friendship" with mattresses, to bring down the price of our equipment.

He’ll live - we'll see. Well, bet?

[Andrey K]

Quote: kapitan92

... a bottle of good vodka! Bet!...

Sure, not a problem.
I lose - I have a bubble. You are a small packet of good, grain coffee from you (after the second concussion, the Aesculapius banned alcohol)
Well, like this:
Hindus mumble mattresses and do not buy F-18 - my coffee.
Hindus mumble mattresses and buy F-18 - your bubble.
We are slaughtering?

[kapitan92]

Quote: Andrey K

Hindus mumble mattresses and do not buy F-18

Sly, odkako! Hindus do not buy f 18, but buy something of ours, coffee from me.

Quote: Andrey K

Hindus mumble mattresses and buy F-18

Hindus buy f 18. bottle with you.
It follows from your post
Scored?

[Andrey K]

Quote: kapitan92

... Sly, odkako! ...

You understood everything perfectly and understood where in the bet you proposed, there is an extra vulnerability
I once in Chechnya, in a dispute, squeezed out two sheep from one elder. The outpost was neighing, the aksakal was offended - his infidel was lying
Hindus do not buy F-18 - you lost.
Hindus buy F-18 - I lost.
You bet on these conditions?
Well, man said - man did!
Scored?

[kapitan92]

Hindus with their "bidding" and mattresses with Swedes weary.
How many tenders have already been announced and how many have already been canceled.
What they can’t take away - they will bargain until they turn blue.
As a result, they will buy from us

Andrei! This is your post.

Yes, who would mind, let them acquire the F-18. Only after all, the load depends on American consumables, services and other "democratic" charms.
Do not buy, mark my word.

This is also your post, but here you remove the purchase of our equipment.

Quote: Andrey K

Hindus do not buy F-18 - you lost.
Hindus buy F-18 - I lost.

I didn’t serve in Chechnya, I served in the USSR in ZakVO, I sold them to Kama’s trailer for one boar and 40 liters of good port wine Mr. Agdam.
Hindus do not buy F 18, but take something of ours (your words), coffee from me.
Hindus buy F 18, a bottle from you.

[Andrey K]

kapitan92
Vyacheslav
You bet on a bet attached to the second post?
It’s not a bubble, for me it’s not important

[kapitan92]

Quote: Andrey K

kapitan92
Vyacheslav
You bet on a bet attached to the second post?
It’s not a bubble, for me it’s not important

Yes, for me too!
So, if you buy from the Swedes, then the bottle and coffee from the author of the article are for both of us. (admins will take control)

[Andrey K]

On that and decided

[Andrey K]

kapitan92
Scored
If the Indians let me down, I'll send our Samara bubble

[kapitan92]

Quote: Andrey K

kapitan92
Scored
If the Indians let me down, I'll send our Samara bubble

Scored!

[ded100]

Let them wait further!

[Berkut24]

This program consists in the fact that if one purchases military equipment abroad, the supplier must transfer production technology to the Indian side.

Well, and, of course, the most modern and advanced models of military equipment, with the most advanced technologies, preferably with an unsecured signature stamp, and for all 10 rupees.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Berkut24

Well, and, of course, the most modern and advanced models of military equipment, with the most advanced technologies, preferably with an unsecured signature stamp, and for all 10 rupees.

Indian "swings" are flying, flying, flying-I-II ....

[pastooh37]

What is the aim of the Indians - to collect a collection of airplanes around the world, or to create combat-ready aircraft?

[Laughtermaster]

Neither one nor the other, just reduce unemployment. The article states that this is a "Made in India" program.

[Simon]

Quote: Teberii

Indians are collecting the best equipment to date, read carefully with the transfer of technology, when they collect everything they need, they will produce their own.

They will produce theirs when they get the technology! We had disagreements with them because of this, after that our drying at them beganbad fly"Now they are looking for those who will sell them all the production technology, along with airplanes. I think that there are no fools in the world who will produce competitors!

[Piramidon]

The Hindus are taking everyone to starvation, waiting for who will dump the price more.

[Vlad5307]

Quote: Piramidon

The Hindus are taking everyone to starvation, waiting for who will dump the price more.

As a result, they will buy an obsolete product with backward technologies during the bidding process. In India, there are no less lovers of kickbacks than under Kasyan in the Russian Federation. The winner is the one who "gives the bargain" more, and everything else is mostly foggy cover for ordinary bribery, and not a struggle for technology.

[Lexus]

Roll out the lips. Well, if we have "the promise of three years waiting," then the Indians have a completely different story.

[Wolka]

india everything is wandering like a bride for marriage, but in fact it’s already an old woman in the military market ...

[ganjin]

Quote: bane jacket

Quote: Thrall

Indians are still "nailed", so for them there is nothing better than simple and reliable Russian technology
This is my personal marketing research ...

You probably ride a Lada? Why only Lukashenko does not understand this and does not go to them?

I wonder what kind of Russian military equipment do you compare with Lada? Maybe airplanes? Well, for example, su-27, 30, 34, 35? Maybe helicopters? Let's say ka-52, mi-28n? And, probably, tanks. Not ships with submarines. I will not speak about missile systems, including anti-aircraft systems and electronic warfare systems. It is unlikely that you had them in mind. By the way, I could be wrong, but Russia is second in terms of arms sales. Probably many are not bad at such "Lada".

[krokus792]

Smiled that the pilot with a beard

[Abel]

There were tanks with folding axles. Now there will be airplanes with folding wings. I can imagine an Indian fighter. And to deliver airplanes without transferring technology to Pakistan. And I bet.

[dm-itry]

No one in their right mind will give them the technology of modern aircraft, so for so long and there is no contract.