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National Interest: F-35 will have problems in combat with Su-35

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American Journal National Interest published a material by Sebastien Roblin (Sebastien Roblin), who expressed an opinion on the Su-35 and F-35 aircraft. The author of the material has a master's degree from Georgetown University in the field of conflict resolution. Previously, he served as instructor of the Peace Corps in China.


According to the author of the publication, the Russian Su-35 aircraft, which is not officially assigned to the 5 generation, after practicing not only during exercises, but also in real combat, shows that it is in no way inferior to the American F-35.

National Interest: F-35 will have problems in combat with Su-35


The submission says that the Russian fighter is capable of effectively countering F-22 as well.

From the material:
Su-35, due to the presence of the EW system and the newest weapons, is capable of waging a visa-free combat, gaining an advantage even in close combat due to its maneuverability.


The article stated that the F-35 will have difficulties in “dueling” with the Russian super-maneuverable fighter. It added that in fact the Su-35 can detect stealth fighter USAF. At the same time, it was noted that the F-35 may not allow the Su-35 to approach it at a distance to use means of destruction, having managed to launch several air-to-air missiles.

At the same time, the expert acknowledges that all these statements are only expressed thoughts out loud, and the real alignment of forces "can only be shown by direct air combat." This is so obvious.
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  1. Herculesic
    Herculesic 10 February 2018 06: 54
    +16
    Thank you, so to speak, that there was enough courage not to bustle, and to lie that the F35 is so invisible that its pilots in the garages do not always find it. So much for our pilots in the air to discover this! negative
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 10 February 2018 07: 13
      +10
      By Russian standards, the degree of an American university master is an ordinary completed higher education.lol
      1. Fedorov
        Fedorov 10 February 2018 07: 38
        +5
        And the “Doctor of Philosophy” is given to everyone, by the standards of the USSR, a graduate of a humanitarian university.
        1. tchoni
          tchoni 10 February 2018 07: 48
          0
          Quote: Fedorov
          And the “Doctor of Philosophy” is given to everyone, by the standards of the USSR, a graduate of a humanitarian university.

          Only by writing a candidate
      2. Partyzan
        Partyzan 10 February 2018 07: 49
        +3
        Quote: siberalt
        The American University Master's degree is the usual graduate degree.

        it’s so good that I’ve finished, otherwise it could just be "browser" or "expert"
        1. Firework
          Firework 10 February 2018 10: 11
          +4
          At the same time, it was noted that the F-35 may not allow the Su-35 to approach it at a distance for the use of weapons

          Do they think that the pilot of the Su-35 will fire only from a machine gun?
          1. Mih1974
            Mih1974 10 February 2018 18: 34
            +1
            Well, if there was a machine gun on the Su-35, then the Fu-35 would have at least some chance, but against the Gun of 30 mm, this pregnant penguin would not survive :)
            1. iliitchitch
              iliitchitch 11 February 2018 03: 00
              0
              Quote: Mih1974
              this pregnant penguin will not stand

              This crap will take off only after turbocharging from the Buran vacuum cleaner, as I tell you. From the second pendal.
          2. iliitchitch
            iliitchitch 11 February 2018 02: 54
            0
            Quote: Salute
            Do they think that the pilot of the Su-35 will fire only from a machine gun?

            Well, what really is there - you throw back the cap, and from the belly fan, with a machine gun. Messerschmidts, as a rule, scatter.
          3. gromoboj
            gromoboj 12 February 2018 17: 25
            0
            From the Mauser, opening the lantern.
      3. vlad66
        vlad66 10 February 2018 09: 06
        +8
        At the same time, the expert admits that all these statements are only expressed thoughts aloud, and only a direct air battle can show a real balance of power. This is so obvious.

        All the same, they sometimes see clearly, since such thoughts are expressed.
        1. iliitchitch
          iliitchitch 11 February 2018 03: 42
          0
          Quote: vlad66
          At the same time, the expert admits that all these statements are only expressed thoughts aloud, and only a direct air battle can show a real balance of power. This is so obvious.

          All the same, they sometimes see clearly, since such thoughts are expressed.

          This is a coincidence.
      4. Evgeny Strygin
        Evgeny Strygin 10 February 2018 13: 28
        0
        Yeah, we have such high standards today.
    2. Kasym
      Kasym 10 February 2018 07: 38
      +2
      Herculesych, then somehow Vojaka claimed to me that F-35 (22) did not see ground-based radars. laughing And here even the Su-35 discovers it. Well, if it was a Russian specialist who wrote, but here is an American. hi
      1. ul_vitalii
        ul_vitalii 10 February 2018 07: 47
        +7
        You can see the valor of our pilots completely dismissed all the technical superiorities of their aircraft
      2. Herculesic
        Herculesic 10 February 2018 07: 56
        +5
        Kasym hi -Just Israelis, in order to save energy, do not turn on their radar! lol Therefore, they don’t see planes at all lol belay
      3. Teberii
        Teberii 10 February 2018 08: 10
        0
        Do not look at them, the higher the tantrum, the more money is knocked out of the budget, and it does not matter which doctor acts.
      4. igor.borov775
        igor.borov775 11 February 2018 14: 55
        +1
        Quote: Kasym
        Herculesych, then somehow Vojaka claimed to me that F-35 (22) did not see ground-based radars. And here even the Su-35 discovers it. Well, if it was a Russian specialist who wrote, but here is an American.

        Hello !!! YOU, dear in vain, are so bad about our products of the military-industrial complex, He just voiced what happened in Syria, the F-22 Pilot had fun on the two ROCKS working on the ground, the Intelligence of the aircraft controlled the entire air situation around the F-22, Sudden appearance The SU-35 in the near zone frightened the pilot, Intelligence before that gave a calm atmosphere, as if enraged, the Unknown appeared in the RED ZONE, APPLICATION OF ON-BACK WEAPONS IS IMPOSSIBLE, There wasn’t before and then the bang appeared nearby. The pilot complied with the order of the combat company RUN, Now this situation they are studying the Yankees and it’s too early to draw conclusions, But one thing that’s clear is ours can make devices that are not inferior, and in some points superior to the best US models,
        1. Kasym
          Kasym 11 February 2018 16: 33
          +1
          Good evening! You misunderstood me. The Voyaka claimed that there were no such ground-based means of detecting American stealth fighters, which surprised me. After all, this is not "invisible." And what can I say, when their AFARs on stealth are turned on - they "glow" like a Christmas tree from their own radiation.
          I have no doubt that even the old Su-27 and MiG-29 in close, maneuverable combat "do" these stealths. hi
    3. NEXUS
      NEXUS 10 February 2018 11: 37
      +6
      Quote: Herkulesich
      and lie that f35 is so invisible

      All questions will be removed in the dispute of stealth of American fighters and bombers at the moment when we have serial ROFAR.
    4. iliitchitch
      iliitchitch 11 February 2018 04: 05
      +1
      Quote: Herkulesich
      Thank you, so to speak, that I had the courage not to bustle and lie

      For the SU-35 with the F-35, the problems will be about the same as for the tuzik with a heating pad, it seems to me.
  2. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 10 February 2018 07: 08
    +7
    For once, the publication in this publication is close to adequate. But on the other hand, after all, I always read reviews about these publications ,,, recourse repeat
  3. LSA57
    LSA57 10 February 2018 07: 08
    +3
    At the same time, the expert admits that all these statements are only expressed thoughts aloud,

    Well, why then shake the air. agreed and forward over the ocean. but nobody will do it
  4. faiver
    faiver 10 February 2018 07: 28
    +2
    you can write and suppose a lot of things, but these are just speculations, plus, in addition to the hardware, the result of the battle largely depends on the pilots ...
    1. iliitchitch
      iliitchitch 11 February 2018 03: 50
      0
      Quote: faiver
      plus, in addition to iron, the result of the battle largely depends on the pilots ...

      Pipiskami shake it is necessary. "We have SUCH INSTRUMENTS, but we won’t tell you about them ...". Why did you stutter then?
  5. anjey
    anjey 10 February 2018 07: 36
    +2
    if you look at the wider or wider, problems will be not only for f35 but also for the whole us and nato.
    I. Problem, this is not even the right word if these idiots dare to test Russia for strength ...
  6. Dormidont
    Dormidont 10 February 2018 07: 44
    +1
    The fact that he will be guaranteed destroyed is not a problem
  7. Fedorov
    Fedorov 10 February 2018 07: 45
    +9
    It was recently in Syria.
    When I don’t remember our attack aircraft or bombers, I was terrorized by the F-22 - maneuvering along the course, letting out heat traps in front of my nose.
    Until the Su-35, which traveled by a train 5 km higher, fell on it, and sat on its tail, and no fighter in the world could maneuver from Su-35. Then suddenly all the "invisibility" was gone, and I had to stupidly drape.
    Well, comparing the F-35 with the Su-35 is not entirely correct. Different tasks.
    1. Romario_Argo
      Romario_Argo 10 February 2018 12: 58
      +2
      Well, to compare f-35 with Su-35 is not entirely correct

      probably correctly like this: F-22 + F-35 = Su-57
      1. iliitchitch
        iliitchitch 14 February 2018 14: 24
        0
        Quote: Romario_Argo
        probably correctly like this: F-22 + F-35 = Su-57

        Is this all about what? The SU-57 is still running into them, it’s enough to look at the glider, There is the potential for modernization for another 30 years. These bricks f-22 and f-35 and did not lie nearby, we would only need to launch a series of dvigun.
        But those f-22s and f-35s are completely secret. Maybe because they fly only from top to bottom, figuratively speaking?
  8. Tusv
    Tusv 10 February 2018 07: 54
    +3
    At the same time, it was noted that the F-35 may not allow the Su-35 to approach it at a distance for the use of weapons, having managed to launch several air-to-air missiles.

    So it was recently. The super-supper to the lizard. Drying came into the tail that the raptor did not even have time to squeak. And he will be cooler than two penguins.
  9. bane's jacket
    bane's jacket 10 February 2018 08: 01
    +10
    The American National Interest magazine published material by Sebastien Roblin, who expressed an opinion on the Su-35 and F-35 aircraft. The author of the material has a degree master's Georgetown University direction "Conflict Resolution". He previously held the position Peace Corps instructor China.

    But there are no articles comparing, for example, the submarine fleet of Russia and the USA, where the opinion of some American agronomist or insurance agent is given? repeat
    1. iliitchitch
      iliitchitch 14 February 2018 19: 00
      0
      Quote: bane's jacket
      But there are no articles comparing, for example, the submarine fleet of Russia and the USA, where the opinion of some American agronomist or insurance agent is given?

      Recently I had a chance to talk with a bachelor from the institute, the continuation of the name of which you can not learn. Gentlemen, this is a disaster.
  10. MadCat
    MadCat 10 February 2018 08: 05
    +2
    after the practice of application, not only in exercises, but also in conditions real fighting

    and where was this practice? in Syria, as if no one was hunting for SU-shkoy and he did not conduct air battles ... request
    1. lance
      lance 10 February 2018 08: 38
      +3
      Well, you are mistaken, with the interference created by the f-22 attack aircraft, neither the Avax nor the f-22 did not find the unexpectedly su-35 that surfaced. and the general-general stated that this was due to the absence of super helmets. F-35 fell into the cloud of the S-200 explosion induced by the S-400E complex and cannot be restored .... and this is no longer refutable. and how many workers only morpho knows and therefore iskander in the Kaliningrad region.
      1. bane's jacket
        bane's jacket 10 February 2018 08: 42
        +1
        Quote: Lance
        Well, you are mistaken, with the interference created by the f-22 attack aircraft, neither the Avax nor the f-22 did not find the unexpectedly su-35 that surfaced.

        What is it now?
        Quote: Lance
        and the general-manager stated that this was due to the absence of super helmets. f-35 fell into the cloud of the S-200 explosion induced by the S-400E complex and cannot be restored ....

        And this?
      2. Morozyaka
        Morozyaka 10 February 2018 08: 47
        +2
        And can you read more about c200, c400 and f35.? Does it sound fantastic or did I miss something?
        1. lance
          lance 10 February 2018 08: 53
          +4
          it’s now to Israeli friends, let them tell you about the bird that broke the lantern and took down the stealth cover from the wing stitched into the hole.
          1. MadCat
            MadCat 10 February 2018 11: 55
            0
            Quote: Lance
            it’s now to Israeli friends, let them tell you about the bird that broke the lantern and took down the stealth cover from the wing stitched into the hole.

            echo one expert? So the previous one is enough with a split personality wassat
            At the same time, the expert admits that all these statements are only expressed thoughts out loud, and only a direct air battle can manifest a real balance of power.
            1. lance
              lance 11 February 2018 05: 56
              0
              "Split personality" is available not only the outpouring of the press of the Russian Federation, but also of Israel.
  11. lance
    lance 10 February 2018 08: 44
    +2
    not a clear comparison at all. Su-35 without much difficulty will destroy the f-35. F-35 by its parameters can still compete with the su-34, and here the result is really not clear if the drying is fully loaded. in other cases f-35 db not less than 10 on 1
  12. groks
    groks 10 February 2018 08: 51
    +3
    This education worker is no manager. What is this gvorilnya for.
  13. atesterev
    atesterev 10 February 2018 09: 32
    0
    The author of the material has a master's degree from Georgetown University in the field of “Conflict Resolution”. He previously served as Peace Corps instructor in China.

    It’s a very valuable shot, it can resolve the conflict, or it can be prohibited. This is cooler than the UN!
  14. Zomanus
    Zomanus 10 February 2018 09: 34
    0
    Oh, come on there, flinging on conventional weapons.
    It’s understandable. that in a war where F-35 will participate,
    the rate will not be on conventional weapons.
    1. Mih1974
      Mih1974 10 February 2018 18: 42
      0
      Well, it’s kind of like the “Syrian birds” have already flunked one of the Javrean Fu-35s to the level of “cannot be restored” belay . I even then suggested that the yavre had dug into a flock of ostriches at 3000 meters, it was impossible to disfigure a combat aircraft with anything smaller than that.
  15. NEXUS
    NEXUS 10 February 2018 11: 32
    +4
    "Can only show direct air combat"

    Here are the main words in the article ... everything else is idle talk and fantasy.
    1. Conserp
      Conserp 10 February 2018 18: 37
      0
      Quote: NEXUS
      Here are the main words in the article ... everything else is idle talk and fantasy.

      This is a stupid mantra designed to justify the absurdity of speculation.

      A “real fight” depends on a large number of random factors, and without accumulating huge statistics it says almost nothing.
  16. Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)
    Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg) 10 February 2018 12: 20
    +2
    > actually Su-35 can detect a stealth fighter

    the level of argument is amazing
  17. antiamerikan
    antiamerikan 10 February 2018 14: 23
    0
    it is strange to compare the su35, which proved to be in combat, with the turkey turkey f35, which even cannot really fly
  18. Lexus
    Lexus 10 February 2018 15: 28
    +1
    F-35 is planned for the purchase of more than 3,5 thousand (only US 2445 units). Plans for the Su-35 never exceeded 200 units. It is necessary to bring to mind the Su-57 and purchase in no way 60, but at least 400-500, therefore, unfortunately, we are not conducting work on a 5th generation airplane of the MiG-29/35 dimension.
    1. Conserp
      Conserp 10 February 2018 19: 01
      +2
      F-35 is not a fighter. As an air fighter, he can only be used against the Air Force of Popuasia.

      In addition, the F-35 still has not even started preliminary state tests - due to unsuitability (recognized as such as of January 2018).

      Meanwhile, in “them” the entire park is rapidly becoming obsolete and has long had a strong bias in information security.

      And we have the Su-35 and Su-30 already fully armed.

      The release of the Su-35 other than for export after the finalization of the Su-57 does not make sense - it is not even cheaper at all.

      In the dimensions of the MiG-29 from the "five-generation" in the typical sense, there is little sense, no one needs it. In such a dimension, 4 ++ is enough.
      Although I personally want to develop it - purely "Schaub Bulo!", I don’t mind even people's money.
      1. lance
        lance 11 February 2018 05: 59
        0
        but you can not be very upset, the moment is busy "41"
  19. Conserp
    Conserp 10 February 2018 18: 16
    +5
    National Interest - This is a yellow slop tabloid. There on one normal article - three stupid and ten idiotic. There is no good analytics at all. They write, in fact, some muddy engaged bloggers without any special knowledge. And this article is no exception.

    Su-35 is able to confidently detect and capture the F-35 from 150+ km from any angle. Or from 100+ km, if you penguin indulge and accept its EPR 5 times less.

    The ultimate range of the AIM-120D under standard conditions (M = 0.8, H = 11 km) is about 45 km for a non-maneuverable target.

    You can end this conversation. For further “inconspicuousness" is not included in the calculations at all. With its performance characteristics, aperture and ammunition, the F-35 is doomed to the role of a polygon target. According to its speed and acceleration characteristics, it is neither capable of catching up with the Su-35 in order to impose a battle on it, nor can it escape from it. For the same reasons, the reach of his missiles is much lower. And he cannot "sit out" either - fuel is also much less.

    That is, Drying, if desired, can play cat and mouse with the Penguin until the fuel runs out. Or it can simply bring down, without entering the enemy Dgar.

    If we were talking about the "F-35 vs MiG-23ML", then the conversation would have made sense and would have been even interesting. And so - one balabolstvo.
  20. Romanenko
    Romanenko 10 February 2018 18: 52
    +3
    This aircraft without Russian fighters is full of all sorts of problems.
    In an effort to create something universal, the F-35 developers created a real duck, which, as you know, is the embodiment of versatility in birds - it walks, swims and flies.
    Only she does all this sucks.
  21. Hadji Murat
    Hadji Murat 11 February 2018 04: 08
    +1
    Problems? is it now called the situation "insert a shank from a shovel into .opu"?
  22. lance
    lance 11 February 2018 06: 06
    0
    few people know, but the corporation instantly offered not once a training battle between f-35 and mig-35 for all countries possessing this aircraft. uh ...... where is the enemy?
    1. Romanenko
      Romanenko 12 February 2018 19: 52
      0
      Are you laughing chtoli?
      Regardless of the outcome of the match, pin dos lose points.
      Even in the event of a victory that the flying iron is unlikely to get easily, the opinion will unequivocally appear that the latest 5th generation American fighter in a tense duel mastered the same generation 4 ++ fighter made in Russia.
      I'm not talking about what will happen to the reputation of the F-35 in the event of a defeat, which is very, very possible.