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New 2018 weapons: Kel-Tec RDB-S survival rifle and its progenitors

At the SHOT Show 2018 armory Kel-Tec demonstrated a bullpup self-loading rifle with a claim to survival weapons. The rifle itself did not appear from scratch in its foundation formed the previous development of the company, in particular the RDB and RDB-C rifles. Since there are no materials on our resource about any of the above samples, we will get to know all three at once, especially since there are no fundamental differences in the design of weapons.

"The correct bullpup" rifles RDB, RDB-C and RDB-S

All rifles are made in the bullpup layout, it seems that there is nothing new for several decades and you won’t be surprised by this, however the manufacturer stresses that his weapon is the best example of how the bullpup layout should be implemented.

New 2018 weapons: Kel-Tec RDB-S survival rifle and its progenitors

The layout itself has both a number of advantages for handguns, in particular rifles, and a number of drawbacks. The advantages are quite obvious and noticeable even to a person far from the world of weapons. First of all, the main advantage of the layout are the dimensions of the weapon, which are significantly smaller than those of the rifles in the classical layout. This gives the right, we can talk about the greater maneuverability of a fighter in cramped conditions, plus less space occupied during transportation and storage, which is also a plus.

The second obvious advantage is the high stability of the weapon in firing. Often there is an opinion about the layout of the bullpup as a scheme for placing weapons nodes unsuitable for accurate automatic fire. The main argument in this is usually the change in the balance of the weapon as the number of cartridges in the store decreases. What happens in practice? In practice, the weapon is held conditionally by the barrel, since the handle for holding is located under the breech, and the forearm covers most of it. In this case, the entire bolt group moves in line with the arrow of the shoulder. The result is a very high weapon stability compared to the classic layout, even with automatic, even with uninterrupted automatic fire. And the balance itself changes, but it absolutely does not feel and does not affect the effectiveness of the fire.

With the advantages that are inherent in the whole weapon in the layout of the bullpup, it seems to be finished. All this is in the RDB rifles. Let's move on to the shortcomings and see why the manufacturer calls its weapon “Right Done Bullpup” (RDB).

In the domestic segment of the Internet, it is considered that the main drawback of the bullpup layout lies in the inconvenient location of the weapon shop. Of course, such a lack of layout is present, but here you need to make an amendment to the habit. I am more than sure that for a person who used his weapon in such an arrangement all his life, the location of the store in the “classics” will also be uncomfortable at first. Among the many minor flaws in this layout, it should rather be noted that the sights should be on high racks for convenient aiming, which will cling to everything that is possible from branches to clothing. Folding sights are not a panacea, as they still need to be expanded to bring weapons into battle. But this concerns military weapons, for civilian use this is not such a significant nuance.

Where a big disadvantage is that the ejection of the spent cartridge case occurs at a very close distance from the shooter’s face. So many models in which there is no possibility to change the direction for ejection of spent cartridges become inconvenient for left-handers, and also unsuitable in situations where you need to change the shoulder for firing, for example, in case of injury or when shooting from cover. The weapon in which the change of side is implemented for ejection of spent cartridges often requires incomplete disassembly for this procedure, which is also not the way out.

Designers of the company Kel-Tec eliminated this deficiency in their weapons. RDB rifles eject spent cartridges down for the store. It is this feature of the weapon that gives the right to call the rifle "the right bullpup."

The decision to throw the spent cartridges down is not entirely new, but no one claims a new look on this issue. More interesting, but at the same time more complex, is the design implemented in the domestic machine gun TKB-0146, where the spent case is thrown forward along a tube parallel to the barrel, pushed by the bolt group.

With the main feature of the weapon met, you can go to get acquainted directly with the models themselves rifles.

Rifle Kel-Tec RDB

The appearance of the weapon is quite interesting and recognizable. The only thing that confuses is the number of elements connecting the entire structure. Of course, for maintenance it is not necessary to unscrew each screw, but the assembly and disassembly has its own unpleasant features.

Conventionally, the weapon can be divided into two parts, the upper one in which the barrel and bolt group are installed, and the lower one with the trigger mechanism, and a plastic foregrip can be noted separately. The entire design holds together the large pin 4, which stand out from the rest with its size. For incomplete disassembly of weapons it is necessary to disconnect the forearm, pulling out the first pin, if you count from the muzzle. After disconnecting the forearm, the remaining three pins are pulled out and the weapon is divided into two parts for maintenance.

It is noteworthy that the pins are not completely removed, but remain in the weapon, at least until it is new, with time they begin to be removed completely, which means there is a chance to lose them. This happens due to the fact that it is not easy to remove the pins without any available tools, they are removed with effort and often for this purpose they use additional devices from what was at hand. So it seems to be no fault of the manufacturer, it all depends on how carefully they will handle the weapon. But if you look at it from the other side, it seems obvious that if you knock out the pins with a screwdriver with a tap on its handle, then this will inevitably lead to minor but damage to the fasteners, which could be foreseen.

Automatic rifles built around the removal of powder gases from the barrel with locking the barrel when turning the bolt on the 7 stops. The piston is a steel tube welded into the slide frame, inside this piston tube is placed a return spring on the guide. This solution has its pitfalls, as the spring can overheat during intensive shooting with all the unpleasant moments resulting from it, but since this is a self-loading rifle, and not an automatic rifle or machine gun, this problem is apparently not observed. At least no one complained about it.

The cocking handle folding, also attached to the part, made of a tube. This detail has an oblique cut and is put on over the piston tube, remains fixed at firing, can be located both on the right and on the left side of the weapon.

The rest of the controls are stingy and located in familiar places. So above the handle to hold, you can find the fuse switch duplicated on both sides, while the magazine is held by a spring-loaded key in front of its receiver.

Sights are mounted on a short mounting bar above the barrel. Standard sights folding. Due to the small distance between the whole and the front sight, it is possible to predict not the most outstanding shooting results even at medium distances, which can be corrected more difficultly by the sighting device.

The total length of the weapon is 693 millimeter with a barrel length 439 millimeters. The mass of the rifle is equal to 3 kilogram without taking into account the weight of ammunition and sighting devices. It feeds weapons from detachable magazines with a capacity of 20 X5,56 45 cartridges, however all stores compatible with AR-15 can be used. The price on the manufacturer's website is 1275 US dollars.

Rifle Kel-Tec RDB-C

If the previous rifle fit into the concept of conventional weapons, despite the layout, the Kel-Tec RDB-C looks a bit different, although by and large it is also a weapon, with minor differences.

The most important difference, which immediately catches the eye, is the absence of a pistol grip, the solution is somewhat strange, since the convenience of holding is clearly incomparable even close, however, it is as it is. Perhaps the absence of a pistol grip is the result of bypassing prohibitions in some individual states.

In addition to this change, other weapons controls were also affected. So the fuse switch is now located at the base of the safety bracket and is a button that moves perpendicular to the weapon. The method of extracting the magazine has also changed. Now, in order to change the magazine, you need to click on the rounded button on the right side of the weapon located behind the magazine. In principle, if you practice, it is unlikely that a new method will cause inconvenience. The folding handle for cocking remained unchanged, which can still be moved to any side of the weapon that is convenient for the shooter. Sights are still installed on a relatively short bar mount above the barrel. In addition, the flame arrester disappeared, in its place the safety sleeve was screwed, so that in principle it is possible to install the other most suitable one. Pay attention to the number of pins connecting the two parts of the weapon, they became 3.

The main difference from the previous model rifle in Kel-Tec RDB-C is a longer barrel. Its length is already 520 millimeters, which could not but affect the other weight and size characteristics of the weapon. The total length of the rifle has grown to 771,5 millimeters, the weight has increased to 3,1 kilograms without taking into account ammunition and sighting devices. The standard magazine for weapons was the magazine's 10 ammo capacity, but compatibility with AR-15 magazines was retained. Oddly enough, but the price tag on the manufacturer's website is the same 1275 US dollars.

Kel-Tec RDB-S Survival Rifle

Finally, we come to the novelty of this year - the Kel-Tec RDB-S survival rifle. This weapon is based on the Kel-Tec RDB-C, but it also has differences, which, according to the manufacturer, should make this rifle ideal for survival in the event of unforeseen circumstances.

The most important and reasonable difference of this weapon from previous models is the presence of fixed folding sighting devices. So the folding pillars are installed in front of the strap for attaching additional sights, and the front sight on the barrel of the weapon. The controls remained similar to the Kel-Tec RDB-C, but now the weapon has a retractable butt, which is fixed by a key hidden in the butt itself from below. This is hardly done to make weapons more convenient to use, rather, it is a step to reduce its dimensions during transportation and storage.

The connecting parts of the weapon pins returned in full, now they are again 4 - 1 for the forearm and three for connecting the upper and lower parts of the weapon.

The barrel of the rifle is the shortest of all three models - 409 millimeters, the total length of the weapon with a folded butt 663 millimeter. Significantly reduced weight to 2,27 kilograms without cartridges. The rifle from detachable box magazines with a capacity of 10 5,56x45 cartridges is powered, but the compatibility with AR-15 magazines and its derivatives is preserved.

Some personal reasoning instead of concluding

The idea of ​​using weapons chambered for 5,56x45 as a means for survival seems rather strange. The situations, of course, can be different and most scenarios cannot be fully prepared; nevertheless, firearms, if a person finds himself in the wild, as a result of an air transport accident or for some other reason, will be used mainly for hunting and to protect against animals that decide to hunt for the man himself. With all these tasks, the 12-caliber rifle with ammunition with even the shortest barrel copes quite well. The ideal weapon would be combined, of course, but if there is a choice, it would be wiser to give preference to the gun rather than the rifle, but this is just my opinion.

In general, Kel-Tec managed to make a compact and at the same time effective weapon, devoid of the main problem of the bullpup layout. It can be argued that the weapon can “refuse” when fired upside down, but, first, the cartridge is not thrown away under its own weight, and secondly, it is very difficult to imagine a reasonable situation when you have to shoot, holding the weapon upside down. The rifle will definitely find its buyer, but how it will show itself depends only on the quality of the mass sample, the design itself has already been worked out over the years in other weapon models, it is impossible to do something wrong with it, you can only do it badly.
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  1. Vard
    Vard 12 February 2018 07: 43
    It’s not clear ... Weapons of survival ... Where ... In the wild, our astronauts have a very good example ... and if in war ... It’s better that there’s no Kalash ...
    1. AlexMark
      12 February 2018 12: 46
      It is implied that weapons for the civilian market mean for tourists and so on, but I don’t think what the company will be against if the same astronauts are interested in this sample. The question remains open for reliability, as for all new weapons. hi
  2. Razvedka_Boem
    Razvedka_Boem 12 February 2018 07: 45
    Survival weapons are usually of the simplest possible construction, as a result of which they are "neither fish, nor meat."
    1. AlexMark
      12 February 2018 12: 49
      Well, given that Musk sells gas burners under the guise of flame throwers in case of a zombie invasion, I think that these devices will find their buyers wink
    2. Pax tecum
      Pax tecum 12 February 2018 14: 07

      That on the right is for survival. Yes, and in the center - similarly.
      And, the one in the article, I think that commercial whim ...
      1. Razvedka_Boem
        Razvedka_Boem 12 February 2018 16: 21
        What's on the right is for survival

        Yes, you can not be wiser and take a Mosin carbine. Moreover, there are probably thousands of them in warehouses.
  3. tchoni
    tchoni 12 February 2018 07: 50
    Funny screw cutter) But, he won’t find buyers in our market.
    1. alex-cn
      alex-cn 12 February 2018 08: 33
      a civilized steyr-manlicher is bought, albeit little by little, this one will be, an unusual and generally cute weapon. I agree with the author that a shotgun (only 20-28 calibers) is more useful for survival.
      1. tchoni
        tchoni 12 February 2018 11: 30
        May be in the "weekend collection." But a certified commercial success, I would not have shouted)
    2. would
      would 12 February 2018 12: 25
      Of course, the dollar exchange rate, the low level of incomes of the population, the protectionism of the domestic arms market will lead to the fact that if one and a half products of this company are brought to us, it is strictly at an insane price. And only if.

      And by definition, there can be no serious commercial success of civilian weapons in the Russian Federation, too prohibitive legislation which strives to tighten even more and a too small base of owners. Not so long ago in the Russian Federation there were only 4 million owners and 6 million trunks, while in the USA alone there were about 260 million trunks. Approximately because no one really knows, in some states there is no transfer of data on arms deals.
  4. bistrov.
    bistrov. 12 February 2018 08: 17
    Extraction of the sleeve down! So they will hammer right in the arrow? I think this is not much better if they flicker near your very eyes. And the powder gases? The issue with them has not been resolved. And the author’s claim that with the bullpup scheme, the weapon is more stable, highly doubtful.

    And why, in fact, shooting small-caliber bullets to a survival weapon? Hunt rabbits? Again, the question is where, in what environment? In the taiga, in sparsely populated areas, it performs one function: food production, protection from aggressive wild animals, which means it should have at least two trunks, and, rifled, preferably at least 9 mm. . In the city there is enough short-barrel for "survival". Who is this rifle for? Judging by the length of the trunk, not otherwise than for "hunting" for a person, the trunk is longer than that of "Kalashnikov"
  5. raw174
    raw174 12 February 2018 09: 25
    First, for whom is it? What does survival weapon mean? For tourists? For civilian pilots? Let us suppose.
    1. holding 100% uncomfortable, right thumb where will it be? poor fixation in the hand, you need to return the handle ...
    2. Survival includes hunting in an unfamiliar area, including whom to hunt with this trunk? It’s hard for small game like a hare, for ungulates, so you need to find them ... For hunting, definitely a shotgun.
    3. Problems with the law. Rifled weapons traditionally have more restrictions on the distribution and use in different countries, therefore, again, a smooth barrel is preferable ...
    4. The problem of service. This rifle is clearly more demanding on maintenance than the smoothbore (although they are different), in the wild it will not always be possible to service the barrel and mechanism. Plus, these hinged sights get loose quickly ...
    There are pluses:
    1. Dimensions. For the "survivor" shooting at 300 - 500 meters is not needed, up to 100 meters is enough, because a long trunk is not needed.
    2. You can take with you an impressive ammunition ... The mass and dimensions of the ammunition allow.
    Personally, I don’t see any more advantages ... Oh yes, Ponte, here's another plus.
    1. would
      would 12 February 2018 12: 22
      3. No need to spread domestic nonsense to other countries. This is our "rifled weapon traditionally has more restrictions on the distribution and use," and for example, in the arms states of the United States that make major sales of this and have never heard of.
      1. raw174
        raw174 12 February 2018 12: 30
        Quote: rait
        No need to spread domestic nonsense to other countries. This is our “Rifled weapon traditionally has more restrictions on the distribution and use,” and for example, in the arms states of the United States they have never heard of such a thing.

        Yes, the USA has different rules, but in Kazakhstan, Belarus, China, Mongolia, etc. with this how? I personally do not know, but I assume that there are countries in which it is easier to have a smooth-bore ...
        1. would
          would 12 February 2018 12: 36
          In the PRC, as far as I know, everything is generally bad, they even register kitchen knives, but you should not talk about a firearm at all. In the Republic of Belarus, the legislation is more permissive than ours, it is possible and real to buy a short barrel into the property, so that they would not have heard the experience of rifling.

          In Ukraine, the experience was but before the Maidan it was canceled and now buying a rifled is not much more difficult than buying a smooth one.

          I have not heard about rifle experience in other countries, or even less so in the United States, in my opinion these are our domestic ideas when you need to distract a 22-gauge monster for 5 years to buy teenage .12LR small pieces.
    2. gladcu2
      gladcu2 13 February 2018 01: 06
      This class of weapon is not for survival in a classic application.

      Americans have the concept of zombie apocalypse. Covertly implies survival during a period of economic depression. The scenario of economic depression can be read on the Internet. Zombie Apocalypse is just a fairy tale.
    3. Simargl
      Simargl 13 February 2018 06: 04
      Quote: raw174
      Oh yes, Ponte, here's another plus.
      If show off - necessary conditions for survival ...
      1. gladcu2
        gladcu2 13 February 2018 17: 56
        Ponty is a marketing ploy. The goal of marketing is to suck in the goods of Loch. The quality of the product, the marketer is not interested.
  6. MRomanovich
    MRomanovich 12 February 2018 09: 49
    RDB seems like a very messy pattern. No matter how many reviews I look at almost every 15-30 shots, there must be delays - problems with the supply of cartridges, then with extraction, or something else. I didn’t even look at the moronic RDB-C, there are probably the same problems.
    1. AlexMark
      12 February 2018 15: 01
      Here it is impossible to sin on one weapon either. In no case do I speak about the quality of the RDB, because I didn’t feel it with my hands and did not even see it live, but any weapon may not work properly due to the ammunition used. Slightly lower in the comments, Curious found out that the weapon was originally designed for military standard ammunition, possibly due to delays when using more "weak" civilian versions of ammunition.
  7. san4es
    san4es 12 February 2018 10: 15
    Kel-Tec showed off a self-loading rifle in a bullpup layout with a claim to survival weapons.

  8. demiurg
    demiurg 12 February 2018 10: 21
    Again, PR is not clear why. Rifle for survival must be:
    and. easy
    b. easy to learn, clean and maintain
    with. cheap
    This weapon does not meet any criteria. (except for the first, with an interference fit)
    Yes, and an army cartridge.
    An ideal weapon for survival, a single-shot bolt of about 20 caliber. And what is shown in the article is Ponte.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 12 February 2018 11: 18
      Quote: demiurg
      with. cheap

      Why is it cheap?

      In general, there is a big problem in terminology.
      "Rifle for survival" in this context is the weapon of farmer Bill Pupkins, which has been hanging on hooks in his pick-up truck for years. And which is constantly ready for use. To fight off "dashing people", drive away wild animals, or shoot something for lunch, if the pickup truck breaks in the most remote place in Texas.

      And it is from these positions that the product should be considered. For example, I personally have great doubts about shops. For they need constant maintenance / re-equipment. So that the dust does not clog, but the spring does not loosen ....

      Quote: demiurg
      An ideal weapon for survival, a single-shot bolt of about 20 caliber.

      I don’t think that, for example, packs of dogs in Texas are so slow. But they are often not afraid of shots ...
      In short, for this kind of weapon, self-loading shooting is still needed
      1. prodi
        prodi 12 February 2018 11: 25
        traditional 12 - caliber self-loading + sub-caliber ammunition created for it
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 12 February 2018 11: 32
          Quote: prodi
          traditional 12 - caliber self-loading

          It depends on local conditions, maybe somewhere smooth-bore is really not enough.
          I think that most of the Pupkins Bills use conventional pump-action vehicles as "survival weapons."
      2. demiurg
        demiurg 12 February 2018 12: 07
        In extreme cases, not self-loading. Pompovik or magazine gun is the maximum. When you survive, you usually save everything, including ammo.
        Judging even by our villages, people easily leave for a month in the forest with an ordinary 14-20-caliber shotgun, taking dozens of four rounds. Even verticals are mostly rare, and shops of all stripes bring mostly urban dudes who go hunting for a couple of days in the summer and drink more than they hunt.
        1. Curious
          Curious 12 February 2018 14: 41
          Interestingly, you saw a lot of "ordinary double-barreled" 14 caliber?
          1. bistrov.
            bistrov. 12 February 2018 23: 20
            Quote: Curious
            conventional double-barrels "14 caliber seen?

            Personally, I have never met 14 gauge, and the double-barreled 20th is an incredible rarity.
    2. Simargl
      Simargl 13 February 2018 06: 05
      What about Mr-155-20?
  9. Curious
    Curious 12 February 2018 11: 43
    The article has one significant inaccuracy. Everywhere indicated ammunition 5.56x45. Actually describe a weapon designed under the .223 Remington cartridge. These are different ammunition.
    5,56x45 is the standard NATO cartridge. .223 Remington - the civilian version of the cartridge 5.56x45.
    Cartridges have differences in cartridge sizes and equipment.
    1. alex-cn
      alex-cn 12 February 2018 11: 48
      maybe I'm wrong, but like 5.56 grew out of 223 rounds ...
      1. Curious
        Curious 12 February 2018 12: 33
        You are mistaken. 5.56x45 "grew" out of .222 Remington.
    2. AlexMark
      12 February 2018 13: 13
      good afternoon hi Indeed, the cartridges are different, as well as the chambers for them, nevertheless there is interchangeability, despite the higher pressure in the bore when using 5.56x45. If you take different variations on the same civilian AR-15, then they can even meet the chamber under the standard of NATO ammunition. Metric same designation for ammunition is the same:

      There is only a problem with rifling in the barrel, or rather their step, but it would not have been anywhere even when using .223Rem since the range of these cartridges is huge. If not right, correct yes
      1. Curious
        Curious 12 February 2018 13: 54
        If the weapon was originally designed as civilian, then the ammunition provided for civilian .223 Remington. They are marked on the bottom of the sleeve. “Military option” - “NATO sign” - a circle with a “+” in the middle, civilian - stamp “223 Rem”.
        1. AlexMark
          12 February 2018 14: 27
          It goes without saying that I don’t deny it. But if you load a military cartridge, then nothing terrible should happen, unless the service life of the weapon decreases, and the bullet may have less stability due to the rifling step. The safety factor of the weapon itself, it seems to me, provides for the use of such ammunition, especially since civilian .223 Rem are encountered with the wildest powder mounts, not to mention manually equipped ammunition. The consequences of course will be, but no broken trunks and other horror stories.
          But I agree with you, it was necessary to specify not only the metric designation, but also the market name of the ammunition, you can not argue here.
          1. Curious
            Curious 12 February 2018 14: 39
            Mark, I must apologize and disavow your comment. Now I looked at the manufacturer's instructions, there about ammunition:
            Use only high quality, commercially manufactured ammunition in good condition of the
            appropriate caliber. The caliber of your rifle is marked on the barrel. The RDB ™ is chambered
            for 5.56 NATO, which will also fire .223 REM caliber ammunition. Use only NATO or SAAMI
            specification ammunition. Not all ammunition produces the same result; we recommend
            that once you find a brand which functions best, keep using it.
            That is, the weapon was originally designed for 5,56x45 NATO, but it will also fire .223 REM.
            1. AlexMark
              12 February 2018 14: 50
              But I missed this moment myself, to be honest. I mean that the device under the "NATO" cartridge was originally designed recourse Well, comments on it and comments to find the truth and come to a common opinion.
  10. Sedoy
    Sedoy 12 February 2018 12: 08
    In RDB rifles, spent cartridges are ejected downstream of the magazine

    those. hot sleeves will fall on eggs if you shoot while sitting out of transport, and if lying, then under your cheek, in a couple of minutes, there will be a mountain of hot sleeves, just have time to throw them aside ...

    some crap ...
    1. Curious
      Curious 12 February 2018 12: 36
      This is a civilian weapon. It is not intended for combat, so you will not have any mountains of shells. Or are you going to shoot herds of gophers?
      1. AlexMark
        12 February 2018 15: 45
        Like someone in the comments on the article about IWI rifle said, "I shoot, I shoot, but the game doesn't end and it doesn't end")))
  11. Old26
    Old26 12 February 2018 12: 19
    Quote: Vard
    It’s not clear ... Weapons of survival ... Where ... In the wild, our astronauts have a very good example ... and if in war ... It’s better that there’s no Kalash ...

    I also did not quite understand about the weapon of survival. A couple of months ago there were a number of articles about such weapons, and there really was a question of survival weapons, which should be small, understandable, etc.
    As for our cosmonauts, it’s already several years, I’m afraid that for 10 years now they don’t have it. Fly now with the old proven PM
    1. would
      would 12 February 2018 12: 37
      What is there to understand? This is nothing more than a loud marketing label that promotes the product and which often has nothing to do with direct survival at all.
  12. vredlo
    vredlo 12 February 2018 13: 20
    well, as in the winter season, in some kind of warm gloves, keep it, God forbid stumble, you’ll be lucky if you don’t shoot yourself and a full trunk of snow is easy to survive only in the summer and it is advisable to walk comfortably in the city
  13. Bronevick
    Bronevick 12 February 2018 13: 59
    America is so bad that it needs to survive, and even with weapons in hand?
    1. Pax tecum
      Pax tecum 12 February 2018 14: 10
      Rather, fashionable ...
      Quote: Bronevick
      America is so bad that it needs to survive, and even with weapons in hand?

      Rather - fashionable ... and profitable.
      1. AlexMark
        12 February 2018 14: 54
        We, too, have enough self-defense shakers that are thoughtlessly hanging around with everything that comes under the arm, from the knife to the hatchet in the backpack. Do you think they would not buy this device would be the opportunity? Would buy still in line would become. A weapon gives a person confidence, sometimes excessive.
      2. TT-33
        TT-33 13 February 2018 01: 22
        The weapon is light (RDS-S), the size is not large and the return on this caliber is not strong - a great option for girls or teenagers who want to join shooting sports or just shoot at targets. Plus ease of transportation. By American standards, not expensive. Moreover, if the manufacturer indicates the price of $ 1300, then the stores will be sold for $ 1000. In America, when choosing and buying civilian weapons, people are guided by completely different principles than in Russia. Manufacturers also use other marketing tricks. I think to buy for my wife and eleven-year-old son.
  14. Dmitry Tantsyura
    Dmitry Tantsyura 12 February 2018 16: 09
    why did you saw off the trunk of a sniper?
  15. Catfish
    Catfish 13 February 2018 00: 01
    Quote: Dmitry Tantsyura
    why did you saw off the trunk of a sniper?

    Dim, sawed off because there was already a sniper with a long barrel, but there was no sniper with a short barrel. Now it is! And since there is a new model, it means that the one who sawed off this trunk and launched this new model for sale will have new money. But this is not about us, the orphans and the wretched. The National Guard will soon order to surrender the entire firearm and will issue it to us once a year against receipt. And the people here are about weapons for survival ... Keep an ax at home, while permission is not needed for it. But, I’m afraid that soon someone’s bright head will come up with the idea and give out axes for reporting and for reference. Where do we live, people? laughing
  16. gladcu2
    gladcu2 13 February 2018 01: 02
    And here is the next question on bulppapps.

    In the classic design, the center of mass of the rifle is approximately in the area of ​​the store.
    That is, an offset in front of the pistol grip.

    At the bulppapp, the center of mass goes back behind the handle.

    In the forest, it is very convenient, when ready to shoot, to clamp the butt of the rifle under the armpit. In this case, the forward shift of the center of mass plays a positive role. One hand is released and the movement becomes comfortable.

    What about the bulppapp? In the woods ?. What to hold with both hands and shoulder?
  17. ILDM1986
    ILDM1986 13 February 2018 14: 14
    What a mess, this is not a survival rifle! where is the chain saw hidden in it? where is the machete or flamethrower? And anyway, where is the flint, or at least a magnifier for lighting a fire? and 100 meters of tactical paracord where to reel? And, in fact, the topic of the fight against the zombie apocalypse is not completely disclosed.
    1. gladcu2
      gladcu2 13 February 2018 17: 58

      And the topic of boobs is not disclosed.
      1. ILDM1986
        ILDM1986 15 February 2018 23: 45
        for boobs - a separate jamb. no clue about marketing!
  18. wasjasibirjac
    wasjasibirjac 13 February 2018 20: 20
    where's the thumb going? no butt neck; no pistol grip. maybe the authors also have no thumb?
  19. Radikal
    Radikal 16 February 2018 21: 23
    Freak, claiming advanced weapons! belay
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