Moscow put before the fact. 2 Turkish convoy in support of "al-Nusra" as the first result of the "Sochi Congress"

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The second Turkish military convoy is moving through the territory controlled by "Tahrir ash-Sham" (banned in the Russian Federation) to the front line against Syrian government forces in the Al-Eyes region


A lot of angry emotions and misunderstandings are caused by the current military-political situation in the so-called regional link "Russia-Syria-Turkey", the last member of which for a long time deserves at least a good diplomatic beating and "educational work" at the level of foreign affairs agencies, and at the most - a forceful demonstration action and expulsion from the list of participants of the Constitutional Commission, formed within the framework of the Sochi Congress of the Syrian National Dialogue, held on January 29 and 30, 2018. On the eve of the above-mentioned congress, numerous bloggers, political scientists and military experts expressed hope for significant progress in the peace process in the north-west of the country, in the territories of the provinces of Idlib and Aleppo, where Ankara should position itself as a real guarantor of the established de-escalation zone. The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation reminded the Turkish Ministry of Defense of this on January 10, after the incident with a massive strike by dozens of UAVs at the Khmeimim airbase (recall that drones took to the air from the territory of the "Idlib viper", controlled by the Turkish security forces). It is not yet known what guided these "experts" when placing their bets on the congress in Sochi, but very soon Ankara and the terrorist group Hayat Tahrir ash-Sham (Jabhat al-Nusra, banned in the Russian Federation) controlled by it completely confirmed our assumptions regarding incompatibility of the Turkish side.



Firstly, this is the second, more successful, attempt by the Turkish Turkish command to send the “Idlib viper” to the western approaches of a powerful military convoy, represented by a mechanized “fist” of several light four-wheel drive armored vehicles / BRM “Cobra” (these were the machines Turkey delivered to Georgia in front of Georgia Operation “Forcing Peace”), several dozen KIRPI armored vehicles, more than one and a half dozen light infantry fighting vehicles ACV-15 on semitrailers, as well as from several main combat vehicles tanks Leopard 2A4 and M60T-Sabra. This convoy again arrived in the area of ​​the height of Tell al-Ais on the Reyhanli-Ataraib-El-Ais motorway on February 5, 2018, and, like the first deployment attempt (January 29), provoked a clash with Hezbollah units and the Syrian Arab Army .

As in the first case, immediately after the Turkish army began mastering observation posts / strong points at Tell el-Eyes (in the evening), covering the Turks of the Tahrir ash-Sham formation, they opened fire on the fortified government forces near a large the front-line city of Khader, which left the CAA and Hezbollah no other choice than to issue a proper counter battery response using barrel artillery, mortars and large-caliber small arms. Naturally, after that, units of the Turkish army arrived in Al Ays as part of the convoy. In both cases, the Turks suffered losses in a collision with the CAA (more than 6 people. "200", dozens of "300" and a few damaged units of armored vehicles), as evidenced by sources covering the news on the tactical online map of syria.liveuamap.com , but the second time it was decided not to leave positions on the western approaches to Hadera.

Obviously, the primary goal of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Turkey is to maintain fire control over the main transport "artery" of the Syrian army - the Aleppo-Hama highway and the Abu-Duhur-Aleppo railway line. For what? Naturally, to preserve the full potential of the organization of a possible offensive operation of jihadists (with the support of the Turkish army) in the direction of the central and western parts of the province of Aleppo (eastern IT). Ankara will succeed in implementing this strategic plan only after clearing the Afrin and Manbij areas and their transfer to the control of the Syrian Free Army (FSA), after which the military intervention throughout the province of Aleppo will only suffice the blocking of Khanassir-Es X highways for military intervention Safirs, Deir-ez-Zor - Aleppo and Hama-Aleppo. It is worth noting that today's attempts of the “creeping offensive” of the FSA in the area of ​​the liberated Abu Dukhur are connected with this. In particular, 3 in February, government forces were repulsed 6 villages - Al-Majur, Al-Khalib and Tel-Al-Bandera; in these military actions, the FSA is often coordinated with Tahrir ash-Sham, receiving material and technical support from the Turkish army as a reward.

Now let's return to the search for the possible root causes of such unspotted behavior of the 25-thousand-strong terrorist formations of the “Dzhebhat an-Nusra”, the “Free Syrian Army”, as well as their permanent curator - the Turkish Republic. Recall the outcome of the Syrian National Dialogue Congress. All the media virtually rejoiced, pointing to the nonexistent advantages of the creation of the Constitutional Commission, which should begin work on amending the Syrian constitution in Geneva, Switzerland. But in reality, there is nothing to exult: the third part of the seats in this commission was given to the representatives of the opposition negotiating delegations of Syria HNC and SNC, who, in fact, are authorized representatives of the Syrian Free Army officially cooperating with Tahrir ash-Sham. In Russian, the semi-terrorist group supported by Washington and Ankara allowed to stand at the “geopolitical rudder” at the level of Russia, Iran and Turkey. Where is it seen? And we still wonder something! Without any doubt, on such conditions, the Al-Qaeda branch and their unofficial ally of the FSA became quite bold, and, using the Turkish cover, started a very bad “game”.

The next point, unleashing the hands of Ankara and its ally, the SSA, is the refusal of Damascus and Moscow from direct military intervention in the situation around the rebels and the Turkish army in the long-suffering canton Afrin. For the third week already, the Kurdish National Self-Defense Detachments have been forced to independently restrain the frantic opposition forces of the FSA and the regular Turkish army within the borders of the canton, relying not on large-caliber receiver and rocket artillery with armored vehicles, but on ordinary anti-tank missile systems of the "Competition / -M" type. "And" TOW-2A / B ", while the very" preservation of the Syrian territory "about which Vladimir Putin spoke on the day of the withdrawal of most of the Russian military contingent from Syria. The maintenance of communication between Moscow and Ankara on the issues of the operation “Olive Branch” became our most ridiculous mistake from the moment of the situation with the interception of the Su-24M, when the enemy did not incur significant punishment. This led to an even more criminal and tragic incident with the interception of the Su-25 attack aircraft over the central part of the Idlib Gadyushnik (Serakib city), where, to our great regret, it was not possible to save our pilot-hero Roman Filippov, who entered the battle with the terrorists on the ground .

The landing site of Major Filippov, the lightning speed of events, as well as the current tactical situation did not allow for the prompt conduct of a search and rescue operation. But a completely logical question arises: why wasn’t this act of aggression committed by an al-Nusra against our attack aircraft prevented in advance? After all, it is known that the Turkish side has all the known levers of influence on Tahrir ash-Sham. The answer is quite simple: in this case, the Turks tried to "discard" the command of the Russian Aerospace Forces from operations in direct support of the Syrian army in an offensive operation against Tahrir ash-Sham. The Russian “Rooks” and their professional pilots are a real headache for the pro-Turkish forces in Idlib.

In view of this, with all due respect to our numerous media and chief orientalist Semyon Bagdasarov, it is necessary to avoid streamlining the picture in Idlib Gadyushnik in the style of "ATS are open for arms supplies to thousands of militants" or "the supply of MANPADS was controlled by the CIA / SBU. It is necessary to speak bluntly: the main share of responsibility, including awareness of the impending interception, as well as the transfer of the portable air defense system to the Tahrir ash-Sham fighters lies on Ankara, and only partial - on Washington. Interested in preserving the occupation of the “Idlib bridgehead” by terrorists exclusively Turkey, this is impossible not to realize. It is worth noting that this is not the whole range of events that occurred in the Syrian theater of operations with the participation of the Turkish army over the past few days. In particular, on February 5, during short-term clashes of a Turkish convoy with CAA subunits under Hader, a section of the reports in the syria.liveuamap.com online map referring to Syrian sources reported on a missile strike by the Turkish armed forces on the town of Sughaideliyah, which is under attack by the Turkish armed forces northwest of Hadera. The type of missiles is not reported, but it is noted that they were long-range missiles. In all likelihood, we are talking about long-range tactical cruise missiles (200 km) SOM from Tubitak-SAGE, which have recently reached operational combat readiness, or about Yyldyrim J-600T tactical ballistic missiles. Be that as it may, this strike was the last straw of patience for the Syrian Arab Army. The mirror response followed quickly enough.

By February 6, in the vicinity of the Quires airbase (in the north of the Aleppo governorate) additional air defense assets were deployed. Informed sources in Damascus reported that the new tools are designed to create an air defense "barrier" over the northern territories of the Syrian Arab Republic, without specifying the creation of a no-fly zone over the canton of Afrin. On this basis, it can be assumed that not only the Pantsir-С1 anti-aircraft missile and artillery systems were deployed in the Deir-Hafer area, but also the more long-range Buk-M2E or C-200В. Buk-М2 complexes, for example, have a range of high-altitude targets in 50 km, which means that they can close airspace over almost the entire Azaz region controlled by the FSA, as well as over the southern outskirts of Manbij and Afrin. More importantly, this troop-to-air missile system can be opposed to most air attack weapons (EAS), which are in service with the Army and Air Forces of Turkey.

A significant role is played here: high speed of the target being hit (4000 km / h), multi-channel availability due to the presence of several 9А317 SOUs equipped with target illumination radars, as well as decent minimum radar target signature limits (EPR around 0,02 - 0,05 m2); This makes it possible to destroy HARM-type anti-radar missiles and modern OTB systems. It already brings its fruits. In particular, if a week ago light multipurpose / ATX T129 attack helicopters, as well as countless reconnaissance UAVs, were patrolling over the mountainous terrain of the canton of Afrin, today most Kurdish resources do not have any reports that could include manned or unmanned aerial vehicles. Turkish Air Force. If you look at the online flight monitor of the aircraft with the included Flightradar24 transponders, then note that all reconnaissance drones of the Anka-A / B and Bayraktar TB-2 types ply in Turkish airspace, over the southern sections of the silt Hatay, Kilis (at an altitude of about 6500 m), without violating the air lines of the SAR in the area of ​​Afrin. Apparently, the sobering effect on hotheads in Turkish General Staff was excellent.


The first trophies of the YPG from the Turkish army: "art" BMP ACV-15


It is worth mentioning the recent statement by the senior political adviser to Erdogan - Ilnur Chevik, made during an interview with the Lebanese edition of AMN. A high-ranking representative of the Turkish authorities stated that “there are no plans to transfer the canton of Afrin to the Syrian government forces after clearing the region of the Kurdish YPG people's self-defense detachments”. This interview was practically not replicated in our media, while Ankara demonstrates an open disregard for all norms of international law, both at the diplomatic level and at the military-political level. As it became known later, the Turkish side did not draw any bonuses from its position on Idlib and Afrin; while Damascus finally provided the Iraqi Kurdish volunteer detachments (YBS) and YPG from Manbij, Kamyshly and Hasek with a “green corridor” to transfer to the canton Afrin through the so-called “Nubl Isthmus” north of Aleppo. New defenders of Afrin entered the region of thousands of cars tormented by the bombardment, bringing up a huge number of anti-tank and small weapons, so that the ambitious strategy of Turkey, "Tahrir ash-Sham" and the FSA to seize the north of ATS and build a single "anti-Assad front" is doomed to early failure.

Information sources:
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/turkey-will-not-hand-afrin-assad-erdogans-adviser/
https://vz.ru/news/2018/2/7/907242.html
https://syria.liveuamap.com/
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  1. +36
    8 February 2018 06: 23
    Turks shot our first plane with the hands of "wolves"
    And the second - with the hands of "nusra".
    And we substitute the cheek, as comrade Christ bequeathed
    1. +4
      8 February 2018 06: 38
      Quote: Streletskos
      Turks shot our first plane with the hands of "wolves"
      And the second - with the hands of "nusra".
      And we substitute the cheek, as comrade Christ bequeathed


      This is brother, politics.

      Big politics!
      1. +27
        8 February 2018 07: 00
        This is brother, politics.

        This is exactly
        And big money
        And the Russian army - pay the price for them with blood
        1. +3
          8 February 2018 10: 00
          no one knows the cost of TourP2 (with access to the EU) and SP2. and our handcuffs do not know either.
          pay how much they ask!
        2. +5
          8 February 2018 13: 37
          Quote: XII Legion
          And the Russian army - pay the price for them with blood

          It’s just nostalgia!) How often have we heard these words from our “heroes” of a free and democratic intelligentsia, starting from Hungary, Czechoslovakia, and Afghanistan.
          The result - the "Afghans" became invaders in their homeland, Yugoslavia was torn to pieces, NATO in the Baltic states, and under its nose bleeding Donbass.
          Lepota? Peace, friendship, chewing gum?
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            1. +9
              8 February 2018 22: 39
              Quote: Mih1974
              in Afghanistan we the USSR acted as a full-fledged aggressor and occupier negative

              Well hello. About Syria's official request under international law for help against terrorists, will you (like you) also respond in 30 years? Meanwhile, in 1978:
              On May 8, 1978, the Afghan government, through the USSR ambassador in Kabul, formally appealed to the Soviet government with a request to urgently send to Afghanistan Soviet advisers - party, military, economic, as well as KGB officers to assist in organizing the DRA security agencies.

              You could write simply: "Ah, forgive us, Taliban!" [photo of Leah Akhedzhakova]

              Yes, the Taliban appeared later, but consisted of Afghan Mujahideen. It’s like today's Isil, all sorts of Nusras and the Syrian “children” who started the civil war in Syria.
              1. 0
                11 February 2018 14: 18
                Excuse me, am I constantly “setting the standard” of the Alpha attack on the residence of the then legitimate ruler of Afghanistan, Amin, and his murder? Is it not on this site that the Americans were already blamed for seizing Panama by them and landing "on the throne" of their pocket ruler, who "suddenly" refused to take loot from the mattresses for the Panama Canal? And try on the situation that the USSR did with Afghanistan, with the assassination of the Head, and then with a "request to send troops" against us, to Russia. We would rejoice at the same thing and there is no need to align Afghanistan and Syria here. These are two big differences, in Syria, without reservation, we in fact SAVED their country from the fate of Libya and some African countries, mired in medieval atrocities.
                Here are the Turks in Syria - read the pure invaders, whatever they say there, but their Assad (legal ruler) did not call, and the Turks do not hide that they came to seize the land. Again, this is pure - revisionism, for they act (and do not hide) under the idea of ​​"we will recreate the Ottoman Empire." Well then, we could take such a slogan and let us “recreate” the Russian Empire, at the same time “drive into the stall” the scoundrels, who had become overwhelmed by arrogance. True, Russia will not pull the restoration of the Empire, but it can take a ride from the Turks, because they are not going to build roads, schools, or hospitals on the "returned" lands.
                1. +1
                  11 February 2018 18: 11
                  Quote: Mih1974
                  because they are not going to build roads, schools, or hospitals on the "returned" lands.

                  in fact, they are doing just that there, and the humanitarian aid that they are transporting to Syria is many times higher than everything that is delivered through the United Nations, not to mention our humanitarian aid in purely symbolic volumes sufficient for TV propaganda, but no more .
                  The Fund for the Protection of Human Rights and Freedoms of Humanities and Humanitarian Aid (İHH) of Turkey for 10 months of 2017 distributed among the residents of Syria about 370 million loaves of bread.
                  In January-October, about 370 million loaves of bread were delivered to the rural areas of Homs, Hama, Idlib, Damascus and Aleppo, as well as to refugee camps near the Turkish border. "

                  370 million, Karl !!!
                2. 0
                  19 February 2018 01: 27
                  Quote: Mih1974
                  Excuse me, am I constantly “setting the standard” of the Alpha attack on the residence of the then legitimate ruler of Afghanistan, Amin, and his murder?

                  Comrade Mih1974, this Amin made a coup on September 16, 1979, killing the Secretary General of Taraki (and he, Taraki, was the chairman of the council). And the coup itself, with the help of which Amin took the place of the Secretary General of Taraki, is a CIA operation. Since 1958, Amin has been collaborating with the CIA, and spent 1962-1965 in the United States.

                  You can consider that Amin is a collective image of Turchinov-Poroshenko. Only Russia was much stronger then and did NOT tolerate such impudence near its borders.
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        3. dSK
          +2
          9 February 2018 00: 44
          as comrade Christ bequeathed

          "Do not kill" it is for their brothers in faith, and against the interventionists -
          "There is no longer that love, as if someone would lay down his soul for his friends." (From John 15: 13)
      2. 0
        8 February 2018 12: 31
        And what would you do when they beat you in the face ???
        1. +11
          8 February 2018 13: 33
          Quote: Vladimir Avakimov
          And what would you do when they beat you in the face ???

          According to the following algorithm ....
      3. +3
        8 February 2018 17: 00
        This is a policy turning into a betrayal of Russia's interests.
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          1. +4
            8 February 2018 22: 03
            Then what the hell climbed there?
    2. +23
      8 February 2018 06: 54
      Yes, we can not answer the Turks, we are on the hook of the "Turkish stream". To whom is war, and to whom is business. winked
      1. +27
        8 February 2018 07: 09
        We are hooked not only among the Turks .... Thank you so much for this "national treasure"
        Quote: siberalt
        Yes, we can not answer the Turks, we are on the hook of the "Turkish stream". To whom is war, and to whom is business. winked
        1. 0
          8 February 2018 14: 29
          That's for sure.
        2. +5
          8 February 2018 17: 06
          Vote for Putin! wink Damn, but there’s no one else, some adventurers.
    3. +14
      8 February 2018 07: 57
      Quote: Streletskos
      Turks shot our first plane with the hands of "wolves"

      Excuse me, what? F16 Turkish Air Force shot down a spaceship of our space forces so-and-so.
      1. +19
        8 February 2018 10: 26
        Excuse me, what? F16 Turkish Air Force shot down a spaceship of our space forces so-and-so.

        Yes exactly. Wrong. so even more so.
        They shot down the Turks - the Air Force, killed the pilot - the "wolves".
        But I will correct you too - not in 16, but on November 24, 2015
        1. +16
          8 February 2018 10: 26
          Or F-16? Maybe I misunderstood
    4. +2
      8 February 2018 08: 56
      Quote: Streletskos
      Turks shot our first plane with the hands of "wolves"
      And the second - with the hands of "nusra".
      And we substitute the cheek, as comrade Christ bequeathed

      The wolves killed the pilot, and the Turks shot down the plane themselves.
    5. +13
      8 February 2018 10: 46
      Turks shot our first plane with the hands of "wolves"
      And the second - with the hands of "nusra".
      And we substitute the cheek, as comrade Christ bequeathed

      It seems that way, looking at the situation simplistically. But actually this is just an episode in a much larger battle. Idlib is a piece of adder. The rest of it is Syria, Iraq, Turkey, US allies throughout the Middle East, American bases, and much more. In this war, all allies and enemies are temporary. You can’t trust anyone to the end, you can’t quarrel with anyone to the end, because this is all material for achieving your goals. But what are these goals for the leadership of Russia - a very interesting question. For example, I do not exclude that the main goal is Turkey, which controls the straits and in the near future will control oil and gas flows not only of ours, but also of our competitors. At present, the Russian leadership is actively helping the Turks quarrel with NATO and the EU, is flowing to Erdogan in the collapse of the army and Turkey’s internal political stability, and is calmly watching how the Turks spend their resources on intra-Syrian clashes. I think that Tartus and Khmeinim are, in fact, our asset not for Syria, but for Turkey. And all this would not have been possible without another key asset - Crimea.
      In such a game, victims of temporary allies, as well as temporary opponents, are secondary. And it's hard to avoid your victims. But to break the whole strategy because of, sorry for the cruelty, the natural and inevitable losses in such a gadyushnik are not correct.
      The losers in this war will have to pay for everything, I hope that for the tears for our guys. The winner will also be total. I do not believe that according to the results of the fact that we now see everything and everything will remain in their places, within their borders and in their blocks.
      1. 0
        13 February 2018 11: 36
        Quote: Berkut24
        Russian leadership actively helps Turks quarrel with NATO and the EU, flows to Erdogan in the collapse of the army and Turkey’s internal political stability

        I would like specific examples. S-400 sale to ruin the Turkish army? To quarrel with NATO? Maybe yes, but a little bit and not for long. There are no fools there either. And given that the United States still has in its hands the financial system of the world (including the Russian Federation), then we can’t replay them in this field. Only in open battle, and that is unlikely.
        1. 0
          13 February 2018 19: 07
          You can’t even imagine how temporary everything is in the world.
    6. +6
      8 February 2018 10: 51
      Quote: Streletskos
      Turks shot our first plane with the hands of "wolves"
      And the second - with the hands of "nusra".
      And we substitute the cheek, as comrade Christ bequeathed


      Last year, Russia destroyed the whole unit of the Turks through the VKS and the "colibers" in Syria, they then climbed without warning. From Turkey then no complaints were received, from politicians and military. And they agreed that they themselves were to blame once they climbed without demand.

      I give a barrel of kvass against a bag of crackers that the sofa experts from Turkey expressed similar thoughts with you.
      1. +2
        8 February 2018 21: 22
        Quote: Sunjar
        that couch experts from Turkey expressed similar thoughts with you

        why are the couches ??? what what judging by their knowledge and confident reasoning, they come here to comment immediately from a meeting of the Security Council of Russia under the command of Putin !!! request request request
        1. dSK
          +2
          9 February 2018 00: 18
          February 8th. / TASS /. The militia shelling incident showed that the US in Syria is not fighting the Islamic State, and capture the "economic assets" of the country, reported on thursday in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. "At the request of the Russian command at the Khmeimim airbase regarding this attack, the US side stated that the refinery is under the control of the Syrian Democratic Forces and US military".
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    8. 0
      13 February 2018 11: 18
      Quote: Streletskos
      fellow Christ

      He will be unhappy with such familiarity winked
      And in the case - right. We substitute the cheek not according to the precepts of Christ, but for more earthly reasons: 1. The Turkish stream, gas is our everything. Moreover, the cheeks then cool down not for those who steers this stream, but for guys easier.
      2. Fight with Turkey is not in power, alas. Despite our “breakthroughs”. That is, the change will be disproportionate to winning. Therefore, we have to pretend that we have forgiven forgiven. Around how the Guarantor indulgently does not participate in debate. But there everyone understood everything! Therefore, I think that this is not the last shot down, alas. And so that we did not have to finish on the ground - we ourselves will deliver them the S-400. They don’t smell like money ...
  2. +6
    8 February 2018 07: 00
    It feels like Recep Taip Perdogan is confused, he speaks a lot of provocative speeches to the United States and Russia, but nevertheless he is in a hurry to leave NATO and not to aspire to the Collective Security Treaty Organization ... In three words, “the east is a delicate matter”))
    1. +1
      8 February 2018 15: 29
      Ottoman Empire dreaming restored.
    2. +3
      8 February 2018 17: 09
      An old enemy cannot be a new friend. Otherwise, suicide.
      1. 0
        8 February 2018 19: 47
        You are not looking for friends or enemies there. Everything there is primarily traders. So decide what you forgot there.
        1. +2
          8 February 2018 23: 57
          Friends and allies have not bothered anyone. In Syria, the Alavites and Christians were Kurds, but we “gifted” them to the Amers.
          So the gas pipeline, which was supposed to pass through the territory of Syria, prevented us. Or we just lose fighters for nothing.
    3. 0
      13 February 2018 11: 27
      Quote: SofaWarrior
      he is in a hurry to leave NATO and not to aspire to the CSTO ..

      good lol laughing
      Especially the last delivered! In my opinion, even CSTO members are flirting with NATO with might and main, but here Erdogan will be asked to the CSTO. Joke! But no more sad than the delivery of S-400 to Erdogan. Well, for the South Stream and ... it’s not a sin! Nat property must also contain something "Echo of Moscow". And for this you need a lot of money and different pipes around the world. Moreover, everything is presented in such a way that these flows are almost ten Stalinist blows, and now my life personally depends on them. By the way, what’s the name of the flow, when and if they carry gas to the 20th town (after the reforms much less, alas not 20), 250 km from the capital of our country?
  3. +6
    8 February 2018 08: 04
    East ... A delicate matter ... Ours are not there ... Neither Kurds ... Neither Turks ... Neither opposition ... Not for us ... At first glance this is bad ... And at the second let a friend friend ... And with the plane ... Once again, maybe ... You don’t just have to trust anyone there ... This is a war ... And there are no gentlemen on it ...
  4. +5
    8 February 2018 08: 13
    Trusting Turkey means not respecting yourself! And again. there is a place (fact) of advancement of air defense systems of the SAA in the area of ​​contact with the enemy. More than once it was that the SAA during the retreat threw all its weapons. The enemy may well be tempted to seize some of this arsenal and use it against the VKS. In any case, they are not happy with the fact that the air situation was not favorable for them. Therefore, the response will follow unambiguously. For the salvation, the corrupt Kremlin team will do anything for the sake of money. This is our main problem !!!
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  5. 0
    8 February 2018 09: 14
    And I think this is beneficial, as long as we have little opportunity to put pressure on Turkey, and if we pull it into conflict, we will keep it on a short leash. As in Ukraine - we want to crush, we want to freeze.
    1. +7
      8 February 2018 09: 39
      How will we crush them? A new ban on tomatoes? Already passed and it turned out that there are no real leverage. They will somehow survive the tomatoes, and we will wither away without gas transit. As a result, they themselves bowed to the Turkish stream, for there were no more options after the ban on the South Stream and complete uncertainty with the Nord Stream-2. In the coming years, 3 we will have to endure all the tricks of Turkey until we complete the Power of Siberia, the second stage of the Sabetta, and something will not be decided in the Baltic. But then, it will already be possible to behave tougher. Erdogan also understands that not all cattle is a Shrovetide, and wants to play enough for the future.
  6. +2
    8 February 2018 09: 29
    "... But a logical question arises: why was this act of aggression by al-Nusra against our attack aircraft not prevented in advance? After all, it is known that the Turkish side has all the known levers of influence on Tahrir al-Sham."
    The author, do you really think that in this episode the militants of the aforementioned group acted at their own discretion?
  7. +1
    8 February 2018 09: 52
    Dancing with Erdogan smells bad and ends badly. The Syrians would have to gather a fist and gasp, and to ours, at the minimum. And do not wag your tail. All the same, these ties with the "opposition" will not end in anything.
  8. +4
    8 February 2018 10: 12
    The author of the article really came up with a thought on the tree. Despite the fact that in the first half of the article he draws, by and large, the correct conclusions about the situation in Afghanistan, then the article goes down to sucking up speculation and rumors without proofs. We write this down to the need for the author to bring the material of the article to the required volume. Hence the "water".
    Well, no longer Jebhat al-Nusra. After the corporate merger, they muddied the rebranding and are now called "Jebhat Fatah al-Sham."
    And the Yankees do not support Jebhat Fatah al-Sham. This is complete nonsense. Turkey and the United States have diametrically opposite tasks in this Syrian governorate. By virtue of this, they cannot use the same grouping to solve their goals.
  9. +2
    8 February 2018 10: 24
    If there is an independent Kurdistan, then it will be on the territory of Turkey instead of Turkey, and instead of the Turkish stream there will be a Kurdish stream. And yes, Kurdistan will be a member of NATO.
    1. +3
      8 February 2018 17: 15
      Kurdistan on whose land was not, will be pro-American. Thanks to Garant, everyone thought that he had virtuoso moves, but it turned out to be zilch.
      1. +4
        8 February 2018 18: 26
        And here is the "Guarantor"? What makes a decision for Erdogan and for the Kurds?
        1. +4
          8 February 2018 19: 33
          He makes a decision for Russia. It’s funny when they say that the Kurds themselves are to blame, they had to agree to autonomy. But they agreed on it anyway. But they tell us that the Kurds fell under the Amer so they are bad. And the Afrikans and Rakki Kurds were deliberately mixed in one. But the Turks are handsome. Now we have another enemy in the face of the Kurds. The Alawites and Persians remained, but they will offer us something that we can’t refuse and we will remain alone against the world and the army with the fleet will not help keep Russia within its current borders.
          1. +5
            8 February 2018 20: 06
            He makes a decision for Russia.
            And not for Turkey and not for the Kurds.
            The Germans say that we understand that Russia is right, but we cannot help (the Americans will crush), we want Russia to win, but we cannot help. Now there is some kind of destructive process going on around the world (initiated by the USA), Russia (itself a far from perfect country) suddenly appeared on the way of this process, which suddenly rested, and rested so that many had the hope that this process could be stopped . But they don’t want to help Russia, they just wait for Russia to cope.
            Well, Russia needs both Turkey and the Kurds to be allies. Moreover, as a result, everyone will suffer: both the Turks and the Kurds ... the Turks want to squeeze out the territory for themselves, the Kurds want to squeeze the oil fields from Syria and the independent Kurdistan, which is like death for Turkey, that's why they are fighting ... (and not only on his own) head ...
      2. 0
        8 February 2018 21: 26
        Quote: garnik
        Kurdistan on whose land was not, will be pro-American ..

        and in what place will Kurdistan border with America ???? crying crying wassat wassat wassat
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      3. +3
        8 February 2018 22: 50
        Quote: garnik
        Kurdistan on whose land was not, will be pro-American.

        C'mon, everything in the world is changing fast. In the years 1975-1978, the Middle East changed quite briskly. Before that, there was anti-American Saudi Arabia and pro-American Iran.
  10. 0
    8 February 2018 10: 47
    In politics, one cannot bet on one or another, even if very influential or decent, politician. People tend to grow old and leave the political arena due to age, illness, etc. And with us everything revolves around leaders. Hence the loss and disappointment. First of all, you need to get closer economically. In Syria, the bases must be preserved forever to ensure that our ships and merchant ships can navigate freely in the Mediterranean Sea, which means that in this case, firstly, it is necessary to preserve Syria as a state, and secondly, it is necessary to negotiate with any forces that may in the future take a leading role in this country. And, of course, we must send Americans in three letters and stop any negotiations with them. They declared war on us. And we all believe in Santa Claus.
  11. +2
    8 February 2018 10: 55
    It is a pity that this Islamic fascist Erdogan, Putin believes during the coup did not eliminate Erdogan!
    How much can you endure this double standard face of Erdogan who lies so much
    of this Islamic fascist, Erdogan who is lying so much and a thief
    screams hold thief How much can you endure this double standard face
    . Erdogan himself helped and created our brother muslim so
    We call Islamic caliphate and still helps and now screams as if he was escaping from a terrorist.
    It's all a bluff. Erdogan plays so much and lies in politics so many throw out unexpected tricks,
    that it’s hard to guess what he wants in the end - Erdogan himself goes, He thinks everything is going?
    Do Kurds need help so they kill more dirty Turks Turks are rats on our planet?
    dirty turks you don't have a nation you are tatar mongolian seljuk scum
    Kurds live on their historical land, and they should not be afraid of blood and death, and who writes about Kurds
    bad they fear trembling knees
    1. +1
      8 February 2018 14: 56
      Quote: Mame Kalashyan
      Do Kurds need help so they kill more dirty Turks Turks are rats on our planet?

      Very emotional, but sometimes right. The Kurdish population in Turkey is over 20 million, in Iran - 11 million, in Iraq - 7 million, in Syria - up to 3 million people, and there is no state. Rather, it is a UN affair - for Israel they have been honored, why not do the same for the Kurds? There would be more order, but does the Amer need an order? Give them resources!
      1. 0
        11 February 2018 18: 27
        Kurds in numbers are comparable with Turks and Persians, but only with statehood have they traditionally for many centuries in any way. Apparently, the Kurds themselves have a problem.
    2. +4
      8 February 2018 17: 24
      You’re more like a Kurd-Yezidi, you’ll say everything correctly, but they don’t give up the land just like that, even if it originally belongs to you. There are many of you, until you all come together, nothing will work out. Yes and of course you need real ally, from the countries that reserve the last word.
    3. +3
      8 February 2018 19: 05
      The Kurds are not nearly better than Perdogan, they sold out, but how did Russia help me smell the roast?
      1. 0
        8 February 2018 22: 17
        s, the same situational allies to the Kurds, like Turkey and the Russian Federation.
        Kurds never fought with the United States, and Russia and Turkey fought 12 times.
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  12. +1
    8 February 2018 10: 57
    Damantsev steers!)))
  13. +8
    8 February 2018 11: 09
    Until we awaken revenge for Russian blood, not to the six, but to the organizers, no one will reckon with us! If our generals, led by Putin, are afraid of war, then why did they climb into Syria?
    1. +2
      8 February 2018 13: 26
      If our generals, led by Putin, are afraid of war
      Afraid of war with whom and for what to fight?
    2. +2
      8 February 2018 18: 05
      then why climb into Syria?
      they were told that there the money was scattered across the dunes.
    3. +1
      8 February 2018 19: 02
      I agree with you that you need to take revenge, but not in the heat of it, this dish is served cold, and BB knows what he's doing
      1. 0
        8 February 2018 19: 35
        Quote: 555222ССА
        revenge is necessary ..

        Definitely !!!
        Quote: 555222ССА
        BB knows what he's doing

        We hope that he knows ...
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  14. +5
    8 February 2018 11: 21
    Quote: NordUral
    Dancing with Erdogan smells bad and ends badly. The Syrians would have to gather a fist and gasp, and to ours, at the minimum. And do not wag your tail. All the same, these ties with the "opposition" will not end in anything.

    These are dreams, unfortunately. The fact is that we have nothing to oppose to the sultan in Syria. Behind him, the Turkish Army, Turkish Air Force, SSA and other proxy troops: "green", "light green", as well as almost completely black. And what is dragging Assad there? Woeful warriors of the Syrian Arab army? Iranian KSIR and Lebanese Hezza (the most combat-ready units on the side of Assad) will not fight with Reggie. For they do not need it in FIG. A delicious carrot in the form of "Turkish Stream" prevents us from making decisive gestures in Afri-Nash. In such a situation, using special services channels, I would try to separately agree with the United States that Assad and I would provide a green corridor along Syrian territory for Kurds from Rojava and Iraqi Kurdistan who want to help the Afrikan Kurds. In the end, this is a hybrid war of all against all, as it turned out. For example, Israel constantly depicts CAA under the general tacit agreement. We are silent, Assad is silent (well, that’s understandable - they didn’t give him a word), the Jews are silent, the Yankees are silent. Only the valiant Syrian anti-aircraft gunners fix UFOs over Damascus))
  15. +11
    8 February 2018 11: 27
    Some tomatoes do not get off lol + with 400 + Turkish stream this is Vova strategist request
  16. +5
    8 February 2018 12: 48
    The answer is quite simple: in this case, the Turks tried to "ward off" the command of the Russian Air Force from operations to directly support the Syrian army in the offensive operation against Tahrir al-Sham.
    I immediately said that this was the work of g_d_yony_sha Erdogan! am For the sake of the South Pipe, the authorities are ready to deal with any villains! sad
    1. 0
      11 February 2018 18: 34
      here the question is why ours bombed that part of the "de-escalation zone" (Sarakib city), which, with general agreement, was unsubscribed to the Turks? if we do not adhere to agreements, then why should the other side observe something. it is clear that the zones are the agreement of the Foreign Ministries, and the military are fighting on earth. but somehow the Foreign Ministry with mo should coordinate their actions and statements.
  17. +1
    8 February 2018 12: 51
    Quote: Siberia 9444
    Some tomatoes do not get off lol + with 400 + Turkish stream this is Vova strategist request

    I didn’t understand you - you, in the sense, approve, and admire? sad
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    1. +2
      8 February 2018 14: 00
      I agree with almost everything except:
      And there will be independent Tatarstan and ...
      The created Global State does not provide for any national states. Tatarstan is not there, there will be no place for Turkey, there will be no place for Israel either ... The only serious obstacle for financial globalists is Russia with nuclear weapons. Russia will crash - there will be no national state. Today, in fact, the fate of the whole world is at stake.
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    1. DPN
      +3
      8 February 2018 15: 21
      Of course, Vanga is the head of everything, only Russia-the USSR was destroyed in 1991 and Syria has nothing to do with it, we ourselves messed up and there is no where else. They managed to ruin the evil deed is not tricky, but to get off the Oil and Gas is NOT possible. The mind isn’t enough. We’ll put it on Wang and others, it’s easier.
      1. 0
        8 February 2018 21: 32
        Quote: DPN
        They managed to ruin the evil deed is not tricky, but to get off the oil and gas is not possible

        interesting reasoning ... you first ruined everything, and then you want to immediately jump off the needle and become the coolest !!! fool fool wassat
  20. DPN
    +3
    8 February 2018 15: 02
    What can I say, the Turks point us to Russia in place, su-24 shot down a rescue operation, battered, now the su-25 has not reached us. It looks like a gas pipe fee; South Stream 1 and 2. + S-400 gift. which may also work on our VKS.
    1. +2
      8 February 2018 18: 57
      Firstly, it is not known who shot down the 25th, you want to find out if someone is profitable, and secondly, the S-400 will not be able to work on our VKS.
  21. +2
    8 February 2018 15: 14
    [quote = flicker] I agree with almost everything except:
    [quote] The only serious obstacle for financial globalists is Russia with nuclear weapons. Russia will crash - there will be no national state. Today, in fact, the fate of the whole world is at stake. [/ Quote]
    And China seems to be in the subject, and Kim is resisting the globalists.
  22. 0
    8 February 2018 15: 21
    what a disgrace.
  23. +3
    8 February 2018 17: 39
    compiled bullshit ...
    1. +2
      8 February 2018 18: 54
      that's for sure, an article for liberals and couch analysts
      1. 0
        8 February 2018 21: 33
        Quote: 555222ССА
        that's for sure, an article for liberals and couch analysts

        not current ... here many give themselves out as patriotic analysts !!! request wassat laughing laughing laughing
  24. +1
    8 February 2018 19: 19
    You just need to use the SCADA and gouging their columns with missiles. And that's it ... You can check the Iskanders in action. preferably with tactical YAB .... tongue laughing wassat
    1. 0
      8 February 2018 20: 05
      But what is there to trifle, you just need to let Poplar and wipe the fuck all from the face of the Earth. AND LIVE !!!
  25. 0
    8 February 2018 19: 26
    the regional link "Russia - Syria - Turkey", the last participant of which for a long time deserves at least a good diplomatic rake and "educational work" at the level of foreign affairs agencies

    They won’t understand without a bullet in the forehead. request
    With a kind word and a gun, you can do more than just a kind word. (C) Al-Capone:
  26. 0
    9 February 2018 08: 06
    IMHO, you have to dabble nameless drones and blame everything on the terrorists. Just hundreds of small drones bomb the moderate and immoderate.
  27. +2
    9 February 2018 16: 24
    about the Buk air defense system at Kveiris airbase This is an invention of the author - pure water!
  28. 0
    10 February 2018 00: 40
    And yet in vain we in vain warned Erdogan about the coup in Turkey. Ankara spins the incomprehensible and uncontrolled flywheel of the war, and this is not counting the fucking Amerikos who are running around Syria and doing whatever they like. It would not be bad to push these two forces together and observe and study what is happening from the side, and the barmalei in this meat grinder will decrease
  29. 0
    10 February 2018 02: 11
    Damantsev, do you take master classes from the clown - “the great and terrible orientalist” Bagdasarov? Fantasy, black fantasy with insidious and cruel gurks (Turks), northerners and Union troops ”didn’t try to write in the style of Joe Abercrombie? Not Martin, of course, but it will do for you ...
    Now to the point. I understand there is a consensus, I call it the Baghdasar consensus, an agreement to hang all dogs on Turkey. But tell me, when the unproven, I would say, tryndezh and provocation ala in Baghdasarovski’s stop (this is when you yell with a stingy, bad voice of a cab driver, without presenting any proofs). And now, Turkey, they say, is behind Jabhat An Nusra (although, to Daman’s information, this organization is not called that). Is it so? Well, according to the old habits of the authors, “Military Review” is not a single evidence is not given that Turkey takes care of the former Nusra. Especially Damantsev is a master of axioms that do not require a dock). This is generally his style.
    But what a respected newspaper writes about the relations of al-Sham (the same Nusra) with Turkey:
    The Khayyat Tahrir al-Sham group, formerly known as Jabhat al-Nusra and banned in Russia, said through its news agency Iba that the bandits from the Fileak al-Sham group had stolen the pilot’s body and handed over to the Turkish military. According to the terrorists, they planned to exchange the murdered for prisoner comrades-in-arms.
    Terrorists called the rivals "Turkish agents and traitors" and promised to appeal to the Sharia court.
    Source: https://lenta.ru/news/2018/02/06/barmalei/
    Or this message:
    Our interlocutor noted that “Khayyat Tahrir Al-Sham” is a terrorist group, so no one from real foreign sponsors wants to contact them, unlike the same “Ahrar Al-Sham”, which receives some help from Turkey and Qatar. Recall that earlier in Idlib events unfolded that the media dubbed the "bloody war" or "slaughter." Between Hayat Tahrir Al-Sham, a coalition based on the Jebhat al-Nusra terrorist group 1 (banned in the Russian Federation), and Ahrar Al-Sham militants escalated in June.
    Source: Federal News Agency. https://riafan.ru/881323-idlib-v-rukakh-takhrir-a
    sh-sham-pochemu-boeviki-akhrar-ash-sham-sdali-ter
    roristam city
    Ahrar Al-Sham was admitted to the negotiations in Astana by the parties, including Russia and Iran.

    Who to believe, Damantsev, who has no article ... a primitive Turkophobic set in the style of a bindyuzhnik Sema Baghdasarov, designed for simpletons who take these nonsense at face value, or respectable publications?
  30. 0
    10 February 2018 09: 29
    It is high time to teach the fucking Turks a lesson, at least intimidate, squeeze the Black Sea Fleet to their shores
  31. 0
    10 February 2018 09: 52
    East is a delicate matter...
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  33. 0
    11 February 2018 20: 55
    In 15, the Turks shot down our plane. am Then they regretted. Americans bomb anyone they want. Then saying that a mistake. But is it not time for our VKS to make a mistake at first, but laughing then regret it?
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