Detonation engines. Successes and prospects

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At the end of January, there were reports of new successes of Russian science and technology. From official sources it became known that one of the domestic projects of the promising jet engine of detonation type has already passed the test stage. This brings the moment of complete completion of all the required work, according to the results of which Russian-made space or military missiles will be able to obtain new power plants with enhanced characteristics. Moreover, the new principles of the engine can be applied not only in the field of missiles, but also in other areas.

In late January, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin told the national press about the latest successes of research organizations. Among other topics, he touched on the process of creating jet engines that use new operating principles. Prospective engine with detonation burning has already been brought to the test. According to the vice-premier, the application of the new principles of the power plant allows to obtain a significant increase in performance. In comparison with the structures of traditional architecture, an increase in thrust of the order of 30% is observed.




Scheme detonation rocket engine


Modern rocket engines of various classes and types, operated in various fields, use the so-called. isobaric cycle or deflagration combustion. In their combustion chambers, a constant pressure is maintained at which slow combustion of the fuel takes place. The engine based on deflagration principles does not need particularly robust units, however it is limited in maximum performance. Improving the basic characteristics, starting from a certain level, turns out to be unnecessarily difficult.

An alternative to an engine with an isobaric cycle in the context of increasing performance is a system with a so-called. detonation burning. In this case, the oxidation reaction of the fuel occurs behind the shock wave, moving at high speed through the combustion chamber. This places special demands on the design of the engine, but it also has obvious advantages. In terms of fuel combustion efficiency, 25% detonation combustion is better than deflagration. It also differs from burning with a constant pressure by increased heat generation power per unit area of ​​the reaction front surface. In theory, it is possible to increase this parameter by three to four orders of magnitude. As a result, the speed of the reactive gases can be increased 20-25 times.

Thus, the detonation engine, differing by an increased efficiency, is capable of developing greater thrust with less fuel consumption. Its advantages over traditional designs are obvious, but until recently progress in this area left much to be desired. The principles of a detonation jet engine were formulated as early as 1940, by the Soviet physicist Ya.B. Zeldovich, but finished products of this kind are still not operational. The main reasons for the lack of real success are the problems with creating a fairly solid construction, as well as the difficulty of launching and subsequently maintaining a shock wave when using existing fuels.

One of the latest domestic projects in the field of detonation rocket engines was launched in 2014 year and is being developed at the NPO Energomash named after Academician V.P. Glushko. According to available data, the purpose of the project with the code “Ifrit” was to study the basic principles of the new technology, followed by the creation of a liquid rocket engine using kerosene and gaseous oxygen. The basis of the new engine, named for the fiery demons from Arabic folklore, fit the principle of spin detonation burning. Thus, in accordance with the basic idea of ​​the project, the shock wave should continuously move in a circle inside the combustion chamber.

NPO Energomash, or rather a special laboratory created on its basis, became the lead developer of the new project. In addition, several other research and design organizations were involved in the work. The program has received support from the Advanced Research Foundation. Together, all participants in the Ifrit project were able to form the optimal look of a promising engine, as well as create a model combustion chamber with new operating principles.

To explore the prospects of the whole direction and new ideas a few years ago, a so-called was built. model detonation combustion chamber that meets the requirements of the project. Such an experienced engine with a reduced configuration had to use liquid kerosene as a fuel. Oxygen gas was proposed as an oxidizing agent. In August, the 2016 began testing the test chamber. It is important that for the first time in stories a project of this kind was brought to the stage of bench checks. Earlier, domestic and foreign detonation rocket engines were developed, but not tested.

During the tests of the model sample, it was possible to obtain very interesting results showing the correctness of the approaches used. So, by using the right materials and technologies, it turned out to bring the pressure inside the combustion chamber to 40 atmospheres. Traction experienced products reached 2 t.

Detonation engines. Successes and prospects
Model chamber on the test bench


Within the framework of the Ifrit project, certain results were obtained, but the domestic detonation engine with liquid fuel is still far from full practical application. Before the introduction of such equipment in new technology projects, designers and scientists have to solve a number of very serious problems. Only after that the rocket-space industry or the defense industry will be able to start realizing the potential of the new technology in practice.

In mid-January, Rossiyskaya Gazeta published an interview with Pyotr Levochkin, chief designer of NPO Energomash, whose theme was the current state of affairs and prospects for detonation engines. The representative of the enterprise developer recalled the main provisions of the project, and also touched on the topic of success. In addition, he spoke about the possible areas of use of "Ifrit" and similar structures.

For example, detonation engines can be used in hypersonic aircraft. P. Levochkin recalled that the engines now being proposed for use on such a technique use subsonic combustion. With hypersonic flight velocity, the air entering the engine must be braked to sound mode. However, the braking energy should lead to additional thermal loads on the airframe. In detonation engines, the burning rate of the fuel reaches at least M = 2,5. This makes it possible to increase the speed of flight of the aircraft. Such a machine with a detonation engine can accelerate to speeds eight times the speed of sound.

However, the real prospects of detonation-type rocket engines are not too great yet. According to P. Levochkin, we "just opened the door to the area of ​​detonation burning." Scientists and designers will have to study a lot of questions, and only after that it will be possible to create structures with practical potential. Because of this, the space industry has yet to use liquid engines of traditional design, which, however, does not eliminate the possibility of their further improvement.

An interesting fact is that the detonation principle of combustion is used not only in the field of rocket engines. A domestic project already exists aviation systems with a detonation type combustion chamber operating on a pulsed basis. A prototype of this kind has been brought to the test, and in the future may give a start to a new direction. New engines with detonation combustion can find application in various fields and partially replace gas turbine or turbojet engines of traditional designs.

The domestic project of an aircraft detonation engine is being developed at the OKB Design Bureau. A.M. Cradles. Information about this project was first presented at last year's international military-technical forum "Army-2017". At the stand of the enterprise-developer there were materials on various engines, both serial and under development. Among the latter was a promising detonation sample.

The essence of the new proposal is to use a non-standard combustion chamber capable of carrying out pulsed detonation combustion of fuel in an air atmosphere. The frequency of "explosions" inside the engine should reach 15-20 kHz. In the future, an additional increase in this parameter is possible, as a result of which engine noise will go beyond the range perceived by the human ear. Such features of the engine may be of some interest.


The first launch of the experienced Ifrit product


However, the main advantages of the new power plant are associated with enhanced performance. Bench tests of experimental products showed that they are about 30% superior to traditional gas turbine engines in specific indicators. By the time of the first public demonstration of materials on the engine OKB im. A.M. Cradles could get quite high performance. An experienced new type of engine was able to work 10 minutes without interruption. The total operating time of this product on the stand at that time exceeded the 100 hours.

Representatives of the enterprise-developer pointed out that it is already possible to create a new detonation engine with a 2-2,5 tonnage, suitable for installation on light aircraft or unmanned aerial vehicles. The design of such an engine is proposed to use the so-called. resonator devices responsible for the correct course of fuel combustion. An important advantage of the new project is the fundamental possibility of installing such devices anywhere in the airframe.

Specialists OKB im. A.M. The cradles have been working on aircraft engines with pulse detonation burning for more than three decades, but so far the project has not gone beyond the research stage and has no real prospects. The main reason - the lack of order and the necessary funding. If the project receives the necessary support, then in the foreseeable future a sample engine can be created that can be used on various equipment.

To date, Russian scientists and designers have managed to show quite remarkable results in the field of jet engines using new operating principles. There are several projects that are suitable for use in the rocket-space and hypersonic fields. In addition, new engines can be used in the "traditional" aviation. Some projects are still in the early stages and are not yet ready for inspections and other work, whereas in other areas the most remarkable results have already been obtained.

Investigating the subject of jet engines with detonation combustion, the Russian experts were able to create a bench model sample of the combustion chamber with the desired characteristics. The experienced Ifrit product has already passed tests, during which a large amount of various information was collected. With the help of the obtained data, the development of the direction will continue.

Mastering a new direction and translating ideas into a practically applicable form will take a lot of time, and for this reason, in the foreseeable future, space and army rockets will only be completed with traditional liquid-propelled engines in the foreseeable future. Nevertheless, the work has already gone out of a purely theoretical stage, and now every test launch of an experienced engine brings the moment of construction of high-grade missiles with new power plants closer.


On the materials of the sites:
http://engine.space/
http://fpi.gov.ru/
https://rg.ru/
https://utro.ru/
http://tass.ru/
http://svpressa.ru/
  • Ryabov Kirill
  • NPO Energomash / rg.ru, "Foundation for Advanced Studies" / fpi.gov.ru
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  1. +19
    6 February 2018 03: 30
    In late January, there were reports of new successes in Russian science and technology.

    Our manufacturers, and all those who "attach themselves to them" (I mean all sorts of officials, including individual governors), unfortunately, got into the habit of "prematurely happy to finish" long before it is possible. “The crane is still far away in the sky,” and they are already all “in drool” and in front of the television cameras.
    1. +8
      6 February 2018 15: 56
      If it is not “prematurely happy to finish”, then you are guaranteed to be without funding. Therefore, do not about drooling. Politicking around any project is an inevitable element of work. Both Sergey Pavlovich and Tupolev had to knock out their heads, intrigue, prove ...
  2. +24
    6 February 2018 04: 58


    Detanation engine, if anyone read ... :)
    1. +2
      6 February 2018 07: 10
      Throbbing.
    2. +13
      6 February 2018 07: 17
      There, something else was meant, if sclerosis does not change me: jet movement due to an explosion in the engine of a certain powder (ultraliddit, or something). So the analogy only in the name of the process is explosion, detonation. However, one cannot but pay tribute to Tolstoy: before writing novels, he was quite thoroughly interested in the latest achievements of science in the described areas. So it was with Aelita, and with Hyperboloid.
    3. +2
      6 February 2018 11: 59
      ... and I also recommend "Engineer Hyperboloid Garin." By the way, an interesting idea of ​​the structure of society is also presented there.
  3. +1
    6 February 2018 05: 20
    Very similar to someone's press release. Thought it would be interesting ...
    1. +1
      6 February 2018 10: 13
      Quote: zzdimk
      Very similar to someone's press release. Thought it would be interesting ...


      Then wait for the articles to describe the finished products,
      if the process is not interested

  4. +2
    6 February 2018 05: 27
    Since they started to feel poor, it means the process is proceeding as it should and quietly turned on the mode of transition to unconsciousness. Soon all kinds of media references will disappear on the topic. Remember how it was with our hypersound? Oh, everything is bad, oh yes impossible, silence. And then it suddenly turns out that " Zircon "passed the ground and prepare sea firing.
    1. +8
      6 February 2018 07: 27
      Quote: shinobi
      And then suddenly it turns out that the Zircon passed the ground and prepare for sea firing.

      Oh well.
      To me alone, the ongoing (imaginary) successes of the Russian military-industrial complex resemble the agony of the Reich? The weapon of retaliation, is that all?
      1. +11
        6 February 2018 10: 14
        Quote: Cherry Nine
        Well, to me alone do the ongoing (imaginary) successes of the Russian military-industrial complex resemble the agony of the Reich? The weapon of retaliation, is that all?


        Is that so?

        those. the MS-21 does not fly, the new engine for the SU-57 is not ready, the PD-14 is not ready, they could not establish the production of ship engines, etc., etc.

        "mock agony"?
        1. AUL
          +12
          6 February 2018 10: 53
          To discuss with the cherry troll - do not respect yourself. Do not feed the trolls, they have more and more diarrhea from this!
          1. +3
            6 February 2018 14: 30
            Quote from AUL
            To discuss with the cherry troll - do not respect yourself

            Intrigued.
            I looked at the casual history of your posts. I decided to find out how self-respecting people live.
            They live in “analytics” and discuss Mr. Grudinin and 10 Putin’s strikes.

            Indeed, it would be unusual for you to conduct a discussion with me.
        2. +1
          6 February 2018 13: 52
          Quote: bulvas
          the new engine for the SU-57 is not ready, the PD-14 is not ready, could not establish the production of ship engines, etc., etc.

          No, I can still understand that.
          I am confused by reports of impressive success. Even revolutionary. In the future tense.
          1. +3
            6 February 2018 14: 45
            Quote: Cherry Nine
            Quote: bulvas
            the new engine for the SU-57 is not ready, the PD-14 is not ready, could not establish the production of ship engines, etc., etc.

            No, I can still understand that.
            I am confused by reports of impressive success. Even revolutionary. In the future tense.


            But doesn’t it bother you that the whole world is peeing with boiling water from Armata, Su-57, Zircons and other Russian things, which they laughed at once, but for the old hackneyed nine it’s still a child prodigy?

            Or somewhere on our planet, someone knows how to create NEW faster and without errors?
            Or somewhere on our planet, officials are in no hurry to report success?
            Or somewhere on our planet, the information war is being waged differently?

            We seem to be not aliens.

            Maybe it's time to change the nine for something new, except for rust on it already and the paint is not visible
            1. 0
              6 February 2018 16: 58
              And who pisses with boiling water? This is our media so you seem. Read (with translation) of a foreign publication directly.
              Even the Chinese criticize our news.
              PD14 as well as MC21 are still far from commercial success. Remember the story with the Superjet 100? The project is economically unprofitable.
              There is no Su-57 in the troops yet, it is still being finished. The United States has under 200 raptors and is now riveting f35. Even the Chinese have their 5th generation in the army already.
              Zircon? Something is not specific, but God forbid ..
              1. +4
                6 February 2018 19: 16
                For the loss of the Superjet. Do you know why? Yes, because the whole market is practically divided by airbus and Boeing. Need a shaft, revenue, and as a result, profit.
            2. 0
              6 February 2018 20: 39
              Quote: bulvas
              But doesn’t it bother you that the whole world is peeing with boiling water from Armata, Su-57, Zircons and other Russian things, which they laughed at once, but for the old hackneyed nine it’s still a child prodigy?

              No. Moreover, the "whole world" that writes is almost entirely in two categories.
              1. People who experience financial or disinterested (for example, motivated by anti-Americanism) sympathy for RT and the like.
              2. People, mostly military, who want money to fight the terrible Russian threat.
              Other people to the successes listed by you concern without special interest. And the Indians, who were bred for money for the Su-57 - even with noticeable irritation, they say.

              Because none of the above has yet been presented for acceptance.
              Quote: bulvas
              Or somewhere on our planet, someone knows how to create NEW faster and without errors?

              Full of places.
              Quote: bulvas
              Or, somewhere on our planet, officials are in no hurry to report success?

              Wherever they are not allowed to forget what was said last year.
              Quote: bulvas
              are the information war fought differently?

              There is no "information war". There is information hygiene. Before using the information inside, you should make sure that this is not shit.
              1. +3
                6 February 2018 21: 25
                Quote: Cherry Nine

                Cherry Nine


                Do not be too lazy to write so much?
                Continuous demagoguery or "truth" for youth

                Loud statements are always and everywhere made to justify the budget, confirm the need for an official, attract investors / buyers, promote the circulation of the publication

                Periodically, scandals with marriage and product reviews to eliminate errors, scandals with low availability of equipment, etc., occur in different countries.

                The information war does not exist?
                Those. in the USA and the West 100% believe Russian and pro-Russian media?
                Do not call it an information war against the West?

                While living here we perceive a lot of what is being “informed” to us from the West as a complete lie, for example, that we are swelling with hunger or something like that.

                So your "does not exist" relate to perception from that side
                1. 0
                  6 February 2018 23: 35
                  Quote: bulvas
                  Those. in the USA and the West 100% believe Russian and pro-Russian media?
                  Do not call it an information war against the West?

                  Who cares who calls what?

                  Normal, balanced people have no option to “believe the media,” IMHO. We look at the text, look at how it is written, if something strange is written - we are trying to check. Who wrote it and where it is located is more or less a tenth. There are authors who write masterpieces a couple of times a year, and every week they drive an outright blizzard.

                  Returning to the text above.
                  reports of new successes in Russian science and technology.

                  Approaches the moment of the complete completion of all required work, as a result of which Russian-made space or military missiles will be able to obtain new power plants with improved characteristics

                  Nothing seems strange?
                  1. +2
                    7 February 2018 00: 57
                    Quote: Cherry Nine
                    Quote: bulvas
                    Those. in the USA and the West 100% believe Russian and pro-Russian media?
                    Do not call it an information war against the West?

                    Who cares who calls what?

                    Normal, balanced people have no option to “believe the media,” IMHO. We look at the text, look at how it is written, if something strange is written - we are trying to check. Who wrote it and where it is located is more or less a tenth. There are authors who write masterpieces a couple of times a year, and every week they drive an outright blizzard.

                    Returning to the text above.
                    reports of new successes in Russian science and technology.

                    Approaches the moment of the complete completion of all required work, as a result of which Russian-made space or military missiles will be able to obtain new power plants with improved characteristics

                    Nothing seems strange?



                    That is, smoothly moved to a discussion of the displayed text and the one who writes as?




                    1. 0
                      7 February 2018 01: 00
                      Quote: bulvas
                      That is, they smoothly moved to discuss the displayed text and the one who writes

                      Well, since I don’t know anything about the “information war”, it’s quite difficult for me to discuss it.
                      1. +2
                        7 February 2018 01: 01
                        Quote: Cherry Nine
                        Well, since I don’t know anything about the “information war”, it’s quite difficult for me to discuss it.


                        And this:

                        Quote: Cherry Nine

                        Oh well.
                        To me alone, the ongoing (imaginary) successes of the Russian military-industrial complex resemble the agony of the Reich? The weapon of retaliation, is that all?


                        whose words?
                      2. +1
                        7 February 2018 23: 07
                        Quote: bulvas
                        whose words?

                        My.
                        Does Mr. Rogozin wage an information war with Omerika or with me?
  5. +5
    6 February 2018 07: 09
    Thus, the detonation engine, characterized by an increased efficiency, is able to develop more traction with less fuel consumption.

    Not with less fuel consumption, but more traction with the same fuel consumption. I’m already reading an article and it seems that either the designers drive readers by the nose, or the journalists write about what they are completely unaware of.
    In modern rocket engines, despite the very high temperature and pressure parameters in the combustion chamber, so much fuel is injected into this very combustion chamber that it does not have time to burn out and burns out in the flame torch behind the engine nozzle, without taking part in creating the engine thrust. According to some estimates, up to 6% of fuel. Detonation combustion sharply increases the burning rate, the fuel burns out almost completely and at the same flow rate gives more traction, or the same traction at a lower flow rate. What directly affects the engine ID.
    1. +1
      6 February 2018 08: 32
      Quote: Jurkovs
      so much fuel is injected into this very combustion chamber that it does not have time to burn out and burns out in a flame torch behind the engine nozzle, without taking part in creating the engine thrust.
      If there is not enough oxidizing agent - it burns out, using an oxidizing agent (if any).
      Explosive concentration of methane - 5-15%, (in air) if more - it will simply burn.
      I do not quite understand the principle of the engine: it is not difficult to create a concentration - it is difficult to choose a design and material to withstand the pressure of the wave front.
  6. +10
    6 February 2018 07: 16
    Hydrogen gas was proposed as an oxidizing agent.
    Mon defeon! wassat
    1. +1
      6 February 2018 08: 33
      I'm surprised too. Typo. Trash is more difficult - less clear, but for a potential aircraft, will increased thrust on the transportation of oxygen cylinders go away?
      1. 0
        10 February 2018 01: 09
        In fact, it is assumed that on the plane it will be a turbojet engine with such an effect. And atmospheric oxygen should be enough for him.

        topwar.ru/135362-detonacionnye-dvigateli-uspehi-i
        -perspectivy.html
    2. +2
      6 February 2018 13: 57
      In the photo of the set of tubes, which are given out as a device on the test bench, there is no lock on any nut. Did I notice one? In aviation, the iron rule, "if there is a hole, then it must be kept in check," and for aviation minders, this rule is in the blood, at the level of the reflex. I would have been fired for such "omissions" a long time ago.
  7. +5
    6 February 2018 07: 47
    Why didn't the author mention anything about V-1? On this rocket, PuVRD was first used in practice. By the way, it produced good characteristics for that time. And this type of engine was chosen just because its design turned out to be simpler than that of a direct-flow one. So the article is about nothing.
    1. +3
      6 February 2018 14: 44
      The pulsating FAA engine has nothing to do with the detanation principle of combustion described in the article (in which I still did not understand anything).
      A pulsating valve engine is more complicated than a direct-flow engine just due to the valve. But it can “wind up” in the stationary state of the object, on the starting guide.
  8. 0
    6 February 2018 08: 58
    The people trampled that Su57, Armata, Kurgan - the essence drank dough and show teletubbies with an unclear end. Now we have brought out a new PR object))) In a word, “our dog’s detonation”
    1. +2
      6 February 2018 13: 34
      It's nice to know that there are geniuses-perfectionists ...
    2. +2
      6 February 2018 14: 01
      Quote: tchoni
      In a word, "the detonation of our dog

      Your dog, this is blah, blah, blah. They emitted gases, are they satisfied, feel better?
  9. +4
    6 February 2018 09: 06
    If Ryabov not only merged the official Rogozinsky information, but also would have correctly dismantled it, he would not have had a price. And so - monga beech.
  10. +1
    6 February 2018 11: 02
    it seems that engineers do not heed the laws of hydrodynamics.
    1. +3
      6 February 2018 13: 32
      Gridasov, this is because you have not yet told them about these laws. Hide everything. sad
      1. +1
        6 February 2018 15: 53
        The creation and operation of the so-called detonation engine, and in fact an engine with a controlled pulsating hydro-gas-dynamic flow, is, in fact, already an electric motor of ultrahigh rotor speed and ultrahigh frequency parameters of variable magnetic flux. In discussions, we approached the moment when you need to understand what you can say openly and what not. Even a single word spoken aloud can allow opponents to consider the direction of research. Therefore, there are specialists who are paid money for their work. But I’m not a person connected with the problem. Therefore, I can only say that in the analysis of high-potential processes of the outflow of hydro-gas-dynamic flows, it is necessary to take into account both quantitative parameters of the ratio of measures and geometric, as well as the potential for interactions of various components. If there is no such integrated methodology and methods, then it is difficult, if not impossible, to create really progressive and efficient engines. But there are no theoretical justifications for even turbulent physical processes, not to mention higher potential ones. So, we wish everyone success, and I will find for myself with whom to talk on these topics. You can’t beat against the wall with your forehead, thinking that you can be useful to those who do not want it.
        1. +3
          6 February 2018 16: 25
          Gridasov, my friend, serious uncles of all kinds of okhlamons do not listen, no matter how many words they say out loud. So what can you say.
          1. +2
            6 February 2018 18: 08
            I am now in Moscow. In general, I was asked to describe the potential capabilities of my developments in one company associated with the oil industry and how this can be used for pumping drilling fluids and generally used to increase reservoir productivity, etc. In general, of course, something will be stolen. But the main thing is they do not want to work as they should. And I understood that I had to say something. But you can’t do this for everyone and endlessly. Therefore, we respect serious uncles, but we are lackeys too sophisticated and do not meddle in heroes until they call.
            1. +2
              6 February 2018 19: 18
              Oh, he's in Moscow! .. belay Who called him there? .. what Although ... in Moscow, after all, there are also a lot of okhlamons. I even know some. There may even be more of them than in other places. wink
              1. +2
                6 February 2018 21: 48
                The world so needs brilliant discoveries, breakthrough ideas and a thoughtful understanding of the essence of phenomena, but ... the trouble is that Gridastov, as experts on every hole in the train ... are already employed by taxi drivers and waiters)) laughing
                1. 0
                  7 February 2018 11: 13
                  in life, I would not even enter into a conversation for such a market. And just ask if you can ban можно
            2. 0
              6 February 2018 20: 27
              Conclude a preliminary contract with the "uncles" through a good lawyer and do not worry. And before that, don’t open your mouth for free, because they will ...
              1. 0
                6 February 2018 20: 36
                Thank you for your understanding and advice.
              2. 0
                8 February 2018 13: 57
                There is no one to conclude a contract with. Around the mafia. Cartoon about a flying ship, look, talents are sent to the bottom. Nothing has changed since imperial times. Under Khrushchev, the truth was a little bit of relaxation, they built, they surprised the world
                And that's it. Brezhnev built that did not have time, but nothing new. The mouth will open everything you lose, they will connect it to the fish
  11. +6
    6 February 2018 13: 30
    From the point of view of fuel combustion efficiency, detonation combustion is 25% better than deflagration ... As a result, the speed of reactive gases can be increased by 20-25 times.

    The last one is a typo? Probably 20-25%? Otherwise it would be too stunning. Then no NRE or ERE would be necessary. Take off on such a detonation engine from Earth and go directly to Mars. A month later, we land on it, take a walk there, see if there is life on Mars, and back in the same way, without refueling, directly to the landing pad on Earth.
  12. +1
    6 February 2018 13: 30
    and cumulative-detonation, will raise thrust by 300%, with less strength of the combustion chamber.
    1. +1
      7 February 2018 11: 18
      speak correctly and draw attention. After all, we always work with hydro-gas-dynamic flows, so you need to mean not the concept of strength, but how to ensure ultra-high flow outflow parameters. while the flows are in compression and expansion algorithms.
      1. 0
        7 February 2018 12: 14
        Go for it in Moscow. Brain them there with your algorithms. laughing And then they snickered there. On all-Russian money. When and if from there the news will begin to talk about the "constant number function" or about the "ultra-high flow expiration parameters", it will be very interesting. wink
        1. +1
          7 February 2018 13: 02
          Only at first I want to understand what prevents a person from seeing absolutely obvious phenomena and patterns and at the same time remain insane. Speaking of numbers, children understand me and everyone to whom I show. Therefore, let me show off and see how highly people think of themselves, that they are not able to believe their ears and eyes, that any mathematical sequence can be turned into an algorithmic series of numbers. It is possible to construct an inextricable space of numbers in which one capacity of variations is the radial component of another capacity of variations of greater or lesser capacity. By the way, this is the answer why gravitational forces are able to share their interaction with massive and miniature mass bodies. It allows you to understand how and what is energy density in general and on what principles can it be transformed.
          And you don’t understand that it’s absolutely not my task to anyone to prove anything or brainwash.
          1. 0
            7 February 2018 14: 34
            I suppose you are very dissatisfied with something and subtly hint that I am insane. Or not me, but someone from your audience? Or does your thought flow away so quickly somewhere that you yourself cannot decide who? In any case - it is strong! belay Someone insane! But everything can be! wassat By the way, in Moscow there is a RenTV - it is certainly sane, in a sense. laughing They will definitely understand you and will gladly accept you. They will cut excerpts from your extravagant statements, and will make hourly programs about the "unknown."
          2. 0
            8 February 2018 20: 29
            Quote: gridasov
            And you don’t understand that it’s absolutely not my task to anyone to prove anything or brainwash.

            but in vain! will you ever die and your thoughts will live and develop. If you keep them to yourself, and someone else comes to the same, it will be someone else's thoughts. laughing
      2. 0
        9 February 2018 14: 30
        the trouble is that, at the time, Korolev was "scared" of the resonant frequency that occurs in powerful rocket engines, as a result of the combustion chamber, instead of changing their shape, they were separated by stiffeners, the result of this is now used in the world rocket engine manufacturing.
  13. +3
    6 February 2018 16: 03

    This places particular demands on the design of the engine, but provides obvious advantages. In terms of fuel combustion efficiency, detonation combustion is 25% better than deflagration.


    erroneously, often in combustion there are still side reactions of oxidation, which during detonation do not have time to pass, often during detonation, parts of the unreacted front are discarded.


    It also differs from combustion with constant pressure by the increased heat release per unit surface area of ​​the reaction front. In theory, it is possible to increase this parameter by three to four orders of magnitude. As a result, the speed of reactive gases can be increased by 20-25 times.


    some outrageous numbers or I don’t understand what they are increasing. I just want to take it and demand to clarify this moment! The fact is that the heat of the explosion cannot be greater than the heat of combustion and the increase in power over the area of ​​the reaction front is due to a decrease in the time of heat evolution.

    The deflagration range for gas is combustion up to 500 m / s after detonation is already considered, okay, but I'm afraid to imagine an increase of 3-4 orders of magnitude, how much is it forgiven? let it be two orders of magnitude 50 m / s? are you out of your mind Moreover, if it were just an order of magnitude, it would already be the detonation velocity of TNT.




    On the other hand, if there is a reasonable good and eternal, can Rogozin be some kind of figure like Serdyukov and then everything will be fine? or xs what happens there.
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    6 February 2018 18: 02
    Bravo! Bravissimo! I just want to say. I have no other words. Today is a wonderful day on the news. I ate my ear.
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      7 February 2018 11: 13
      If all this flew, I would be glad too.
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        7 February 2018 12: 00
        If a thrust of 2 tons is obtained, then this is already more than necessary for the modification of the X-32, the most that neither the states individually nor NATO can reflect today. This engine will be able to raise both the speed and height of the X-32, and most importantly - its range!
  15. 0
    7 February 2018 17: 03
    In my opinion, something similar has already been used in the Amur and Nudol systems, where the acceleration of the rocket is 30 km in 5 seconds, although it only takes 12-15 seconds, but this is enough to put a nuclear charge into orbit, to disrupt the trajectory ballistic warheads. But somewhere before, I read that the fuel is not burning there, but a series of microexplosions is taking place!
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    8 February 2018 11: 18
    In about 50 years they will make a prototype, in about 50 years they will test it and put it into production for another 25 years ..., the usual tepm for Russia ..
  17. 0
    8 February 2018 13: 49
    Article ordered. Knock out money and nothing more. Of course, the government is interested in allocating money to Skolkovo and others. But there is no understanding that any creation has an author. And naturally, a person wants to get something for his work, albeit mental. If it were announced the acceptance of the development, with the preservation of copyright, and by evaluating the performance of the author would receive payment, then many would have responded. I would be the same, but having the development, I am forced to remain silent. Why say the Russians are not going to build, but to open their mouths and give the West superiority in armaments? In such strategic matters no copyright is respected
  18. +1
    11 February 2018 10: 04
    Quote: bulvas
    But doesn’t it bother you that the whole world is peeing with boiling water from Armata, Su-57, Zircons and other Russian things, which they laughed at once, but for the old hackneyed nine it’s still a child prodigy?

    I do not belittle the level of creation of our scientists and production workers in any way, but as for the allocation of boiling water, the whole world should say the following.
    The reasons for this process?
    They may be different.
    Including those that are very well known to us.
    Russian threat! Russian bear stirred in its den! Tomorrow the Russians will take over Europe (while they are busy with Ukraine)! We (the western free democratic world, pah God) are decades behind. Give me money!

    So maybe? Not excluded.
    Our grades. Their grades.
    These are elements of psychological influence on the consciousness of the layman.

    There is Zircon - cool.
    And the reaction to him, which should convince us that his abilities are such as ours and not ours say about them, what should be?
    I will answer.
    Changing security requirements in the armed forces of our adversaries.
    Those. Yesterday it was said that it was impossible to come closer to such a distance. And today it’s closer than that.
    Then everything falls into place.

    It is clear to us - we have and the adversary knows about it.

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