Soviet troops in Vietnam - What was their task?

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History Our civilization is full of bloody wars and tragedies. People still do not know how to live in the world on one small planet, lost in the cold space. War is increasingly becoming an instrument of enrichment for some due to the grief and misfortunes of others. In the twentieth century, the assertion that peace rules the world was once again confirmed.

Soviet troops in Vietnam - What was their task?


In early September, in the year of the final capitulation of fascism, the creation of the second nation-state in Asia, the Democratic Republic of Vietnam, was proclaimed. The power in the country was in the hands of the communist leader Ho Chi Minh, which radically changed the geopolitical situation in the region. However, the Europeans did not intend to leave their colonies, and soon a new bloody war broke out. British troops led by General Gracie created favorable conditions for the return of French colonists instead of the promised assistance for the expulsion of the Japanese aggressors. The Allies openly violated the provisions of the Atlantic Charter, which stated that all countries fighting against fascism would receive long-awaited freedom. Soon, French troops landed on the territory of Vietnam in order to restore their former influence in the region. However, Vietnam at this moment experienced an incredible rise in the national spirit, and the French met with fierce resistance.

At the initiative of the Soviet Union at the end of April 1954, a document was signed in Geneva recognizing the independence of Laos, Vietnam and Cambodia, as well as the restoration of peace in the region. As a result, two parts of the country were formed, separated by a conditional border: North Vietnam, headed by Ho Chi Minh and South, headed by Ngo Din Ziem. If Ho Chi Minh was a leader with real authority among the local population, supported by the countries of the socialist camp, then Zem turned out to be an ordinary puppet of the West. Soon, Ziem lost even the appearance of popularity among the people, and guerrilla war broke out on the territory of South Vietnam. The democratic elections outlined by the Geneva Act were completely disadvantageous to Europeans, as it became clear that the victory of Ho Chi Minh was predetermined. It should be noted that the Communists from the Democratic Republic of Vietnam played an important role in the deployment of the partisan movement. Soon the United States intervened in the conflict, but the lightning conquest of the country did not take place.

T-34-85 from the 203rd tank regiment on the outskirts of Charlie fortified point. Seated open on armor tank infantry is extremely vulnerable to shelling of all kinds weapons, but the North Vietnamese did not have enough armored personnel carriers. As a tank assault fighters act North Vietnamese special forces Dak Kong. Special Forces were often used as assault groups, the personnel of these formations were distinguished by excellent combat training and high morale. Special Forces, by the standards of the Army of the DRV, was well armed and equipped. For example, here on the head of each soldier wearing a Soviet-style helmet. (http://otvaga2004.narod.ru)

The southern part of Vietnam was almost completely covered with impassable jungle, in which the partisans successfully hid. The hostilities, customary and effective in Europe, were not applicable here, the Communist North provided considerable support to the rebels. After the "Tonkin incident", the US Air Force bombed North Vietnam. Black phantoms were sent to Hanoi and, exerting a psychological impact on the population, destroyed mainly military targets. The air defense system in the underdeveloped country was almost completely absent, and the Americans quickly felt their impunity.

Help from the USSR followed immediately. To be more precise, the Soviet support of the young people's state was carried out a year before the famous meeting in 1965, however, large-scale deliveries of military equipment were started after the official decision and settlement of transportation issues through China. In addition to weapons, Soviet military and civilian specialists, as well as correspondents, went to Vietnam. In the famous movie “Rambo”, American directors illuminate the fierce battles between the “hero” and the notorious thugs from the “Russian special forces”. This work concentrates all the fear of Soviet soldiers who, according to US politicians, fought with their glorious half-million army. So, if we consider that the number of soldiers from the USSR who arrived in Hanoi was only a little over six thousand officers and about four thousand privates, it becomes clear how exaggerated such stories are.

In fact, in the territory of North Vietnam there were only officers and privates who were called upon to train local military in the management of Soviet equipment and weapons. Contrary to the expectations of Americans, who predicted the appearance of the first results of such training only after a year, the Vietnamese entered into opposition within two months. Perhaps such an unexpected and unpleasant circumstance for the American command gave rise to suspicions that the Soviet pilots were on the side of the enemy, and not local warriors at all. Legends of the Bolsheviks with machine guns, hiding in the impenetrable jungle and attacking the peaceful Americans in Vietnam, and today are popular in the States. If you believe these stories, we can conclude that only ten or eleven thousand Soviet soldiers were able to defeat the half-million American army, and this is really incredible. The role of hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese with this approach is not at all clear.

The offensive of the 3 corps of the DRV army began on 2 on April 1972. The corps operated in the province of Tai Nin near the border with Cambodia in the Saigon area. With a combined strike of tanks and infantry 4 on April, the northerners drove the southerners out of the city of Locke Ninh. In the picture - T-54 tanks from the 21-th separate tank battalion move past the destroyed South Vietnamese tank M41-3 (the tank belonged to the 5-th armored cavalry regiment of the 3rd armored brigade). Both T-54 and M41 are masked by tree branches. (http://otvaga2004.narod.ru)

However, it cannot be denied that the Americans had reason not to trust the assurances of the USSR about the exclusively advisory mission of military specialists. The fact is that the majority of the population of North Vietnam was illiterate. The overwhelming part of the famine, the people were exhausted, so even the minimum amount of stamina and strength from ordinary fighters was not. Young men could withstand only ten minutes of battle with the enemy. Talk about the skill in the field of piloting on modern machines was not necessary. Despite all of the above factors, during the first year of the confrontation with North Vietnam, a significant part of the American military aircraft was destroyed. MiGs won in maneuverability from the legendary phantoms, so they successfully avoided pursuit after the attack. The anti-aircraft systems, thanks to which most of the American bombers were shot down, were difficult to eliminate, as they were located under the cover of dense tropical forests. In addition, intelligence has successfully worked, reporting on fighter departures in advance.

The first months of the work of the Soviet rocket scientists were extremely tense. Completely different climatic conditions, unfamiliar diseases, annoying insects were not the most important problem in the performance of the task. The training of Vietnamese comrades who do not understand Russian at all, was conducted through a demonstration, with the involvement of translators, which were often lacking. Nevertheless, the Soviet specialists did not participate directly in the battles, as there were very few of them, and they were too great a value. According to the testimony of the direct participants, they did not even have their own weapons.

North Vietnamese PT-76, shot down in a battle near the special forces camp Benhet. March 1969 of the year


The American command strictly forbade the shelling of Soviet ships and transport, since such actions could provoke the beginning of the Third World War, however, it was the Soviet military-economic machine that was opposed to the Americans. Two thousand tanks, seven hundred light and maneuverable aircraft, seven thousand mortars and guns, more than a hundred helicopters and much more were supplied to the USSR as gratuitous friendly assistance to Vietnam. Almost the entire air defense system of the country, later evaluated by the enemy as impassable for any type of fighter, was built at the expense of the USSR by Soviet specialists. The armament of a belligerent state took place in the most difficult conditions of constant bombardment and open looting from China. Over ten thousand Vietnamese were sent to the Union for military training and training in the use of Soviet modern technology. According to various estimates, the support of friendly Vietnam cost the USSR budget from one and a half to two million dollars daily.

There is an opinion that the Soviets sent obsolete weapons to help the warring. The refutation can be an interview with the chairman of the Ministry of Defense of veterans in Vietnam Nicholas Kolesnik, the direct participant and eyewitness to the events studied. According to him, modern MiG-21 vehicles were put into service, as well as the Dvina anti-aircraft installations, the shells of which, according to Americans, turned out to be the deadliest on the ground at that time. Mark Kolesnik and highly qualified military specialists, and the incredible persistence of the Vietnamese in learning and striving to master the science of management as quickly as possible.

Despite the fact that the US authorities were well aware of the provision of military assistance to North Vietnam, all specialists, including the military, were obliged to wear only civilian clothes, their documents were kept at the embassy, ​​and they found out about the final destination of their business trip at the last moment. Requirements of secrecy remained until the withdrawal of the Soviet contingent from the country, and the exact numbers and names of participants are not known until today.

After the signing of the peace accords in Paris on January 27 in Paris, Hanoi strengthened its forces in the so-called “liberated regions”. Massive deliveries of weapons and military equipment from the Soviet Union and China allowed Hanoi to reorganize the armed forces, including armored forces. From the USSR, then for the first time Vietnam received wheeled armored personnel carriers BTR-1973PB. The picture shows a platoon of BTR-60PB, Lock Ninh airbase near the border with Cambodia, a solemn ceremony, 60 (http://otvaga1973.narod.ru)

Relations between the USSR and Vietnam were built on the terms of "unequal friendship." The Union was interested in spreading its influence in the region, and therefore provided such generous and disinterested help. Vietnam, on the other hand, collaborated with the Soviets solely for reasons of profit, successfully speculating on the position of the country fighting for independence and freedom. Sometimes they did not ask for help, but demanded it. In addition, direct participants often describe cases of provocations by the Vietnamese authorities.

International relations with this tropical country are being built today by Russia as the direct successor of the Union. The political situation is different, but the local population still has a sense of gratitude towards the Russian soldiers, and the heroes of that secret war are also proud of their participation in it.

At the final stage of "Ho Chi Minh" operation, the DRV army for the first time used the newest and best in the world ZSU-23-4- "Shilka". At that time, the only battery of these self-propelled guns from the 237 anti-aircraft artillery regiment could take part in the fighting (http://www.nhat-nam.ru)

Three armored personnel carriers BTR-40А, armed with anti-aircraft guns, on patrols on the highway near the coastal city of Nha Trang, early April 1975. The BTR-40 armored personnel carriers in the anti-aircraft variant were often used in reconnaissance units of tank regiments (http://www.nhat-nam.ru )

According to the US intelligence community, North Vietnam received ISU-122, ISU-152 and SU-100 self-propelled artillery mounts from the USSR in addition to replacing the SU-76 self-propelled guns. On the combat use of the above self-propelled guns in Indochina nothing is known. In the reports of the units of the army of South Vietnam, they were not noted even once. Here is an extremely rare snapshot of the self-propelled gun SU-100 of the army of the DRV, but the board number with the letter “F” is very confusing, the style of the image of the letter and numbers is no less strange for the North Vietnamese army. Pay attention to the support rollers of different types (http://otvaga2004.narod.ru)
Documentary investigation. Russian secrets of the Vietnam War

About 6360 Soviet officers worked in Vietnam by military advisers - they allegedly only helped to repel the air raids of Americans with the support of air defense missile systems. 13 people were officially recognized as dead. Every day this nine-year war cost the USSR 2 million dollars.

The Americans knew very well where the Soviet camps are located, so while there were no active hostilities, they were tolerant of the Russians. Occasionally, leaflets with the time of the bombing and the suggestion to the Russians to leave the danger zone were dropped from the airplanes flying by. The feeling of complete impunity ended with the Americans with the shock of July 25 of 1964. It was the 1 th battle of Soviet anti-aircraft gunners with American aircraft. On this day, three aircraft were destroyed by three missiles near Hanoi. The Americans experienced such horror that they did not fly for two weeks. The Vietnamese shamelessly speculated on assistance from the USSR and even put the Soviet ships under attack.

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  1. Igor
    +19
    April 19 2012 08: 54
    Soviet troops in Vietnam - What was their task?


    Whatever their task, they successfully completed it !!!
    1. +6
      April 19 2012 09: 14
      good Support.
      Actually, everything is clear from the result of this war lol
      1. +29
        April 19 2012 10: 37
        The Americans surrounded the skyscraper, plowed all the artillery, but could not take it. Yelling:
        - Hey Vietnamese, give up!
        From one of the funnels:
        - Where did you get the bob?
        1. +17
          April 19 2012 11: 01
          And the slanting man answered me that he had commanded the interrogation: "Our pilot Li Si Tsin shot you down!"
          laughing
          1. +12
            April 19 2012 11: 04
            Quote: Landwarrior
            "Our pilot Li Si Tsin shot you down!"

            Pancake! Favorite song! Mouzon cool itekte killer!
            1. 0
              April 19 2012 13: 52
              Yeah, I love her too wink In all versions! laughing
            2. 755962
              +17
              April 19 2012 14: 02
              Vietnam war. Our deliveries to Vietnam are MiGs. Flies
              a Vietnamese on one of them, "Phantom" suddenly flies towards him. Ace
              reads the instruction: "If you feel bad, press the blue button." -
              presses. Fire from machine guns opens, "Phantom" falls.
              Flies on, and two "Valkyries" will meet. Reads: "If you
              shitty - press the red button. "- presses, two
              rockets and smashing the Valkyries to pieces.
              It flies on, and a whole flight of "A-7a" is coming. Reads: "If worse
              nowhere - turn the lever. "- turns. Suddenly behind
              the door opens, from there the Russian comes out and says:
              - Well, cross-eyed, move on! We will make them!
              1. +14
                April 19 2012 15: 10
                I like the other one more ... Twenty years after the end of the Vietnam War, American veteran pilots meet. Well, of course, the conversation enters — who fought how, who brought down how many ...
                Well, one flyer (1) and says- We are lucky that the Vietnamese did not know how to fly winked
                Another (2) is why they did not know how? the Vietnamese brought me down am
                (1): Oh well! belay You drive!
                (2): No
                (1) So, how was it?
                (2) How, how ... We are flying with Bob, suddenly I hear "Vanya, cover me hu * well!" This Hu Yinu brought me down laughing
                Sorry for the mat recourse
              2. +1
                April 20 2012 16: 05
                Ahah, well done)
            3. Tyumen
              +2
              April 19 2012 18: 33
              Quote: Dmitriy69
              the text is killer!

              Moreover, the author is unknown, that is, Russian folk.
        2. +3
          April 19 2012 21: 23
          Quote: Dmitriy69
          From one of the funnels:
          - Where did you get the bob?

          I like the other ending option more:
          "The Vietnamese are not surrendering! Kar Pen Ko, shells!"
          laughing laughing laughing
          1. Neighbor
            0
            April 20 2012 22: 11
            Give Amers a ride - they test our weapons on them! That is the task. Well, to help the natural - brotherly people - with Igomi planetary Evil - to fight am
            I believe - the USSR - fulfilled its task there and exceeded it.
            And the Vietnamese - a monument must be erected for life - for the courage and perseverance shown. Indeed, against them - in fact, unarmed, Ameriko.kosos.y - did not use Toko. Chemical weapons, napalm, burned hectares. Lived underground - to survive. In some ways, they are similar to us in this situation - after all, we also almost - fought against Hitler at one time! Also - they got it!
            And Amer - barbarians, looters and murderers! They were, are and will be them.! am
            1. 0
              April 21 2012 00: 50
              I agree, the main thing is the fighting spirit. That is why the Yankees and drove home unsolo slammed, the fighting spirit of the people they could not break wink
              1. 0
                20 September 2014 20: 59
                Well done Vietnamese. Truly invincible people. First, the French were defeated, then the Americans and even the Chinese. This is how a small tropical country defeated three superpowers.
  2. Railways
    +7
    April 19 2012 09: 17
    Well done, the Vietnamese did not give up even when there was no help from the USSR.
    1. +3
      April 19 2012 09: 57
      I agree, strong guys. From the mid-40s they fought until almost the mid-70s.
      1. 0
        April 19 2012 11: 04
        And the Chinese managed to succumb. But today, in my opinion, the US has become closer to them. And ours, for the sake of the USA, all programs and bases have turned off.
      2. Igor
        +4
        April 19 2012 11: 11
        They have been guerrilla against China for 10 centuries, so there is nothing to be surprised at, any Mujahid nervously smokes on the side seeing these guys.
        1. +5
          April 19 2012 11: 13
          Vietnamese pros in guerrilla warfare. Yes
          I will paraphrase a little "The Vietnamese jungle can swallow any military unit of any size without a trace" lol
  3. +12
    April 19 2012 10: 04
    Vietnam is a campaign the only country that is grateful to the USSR and did not throw it like the same Egypt.
    The Vietnamese carried out all the instructions of the Soviet advisers, and you appreciated the life of the Soviet adviser than yours --- they even had an order to protect them even with their own bodies during bombing and art strikes.

    That’s why the US result was shamefully removed, and the Soviet T-55 with the Vietnamese crew drove into the presidential palace of Saigon and 2000 only US planes shot down.
    1. +8
      April 19 2012 11: 10
      After the end of the operation "Ho Chi Minh", a Vietnamese tank stopped in the street near the headquarters, the tank commander, a Vietnamese, got out, his hands were bandaged. Doctors rush to him "Why are you injured?"
      And he: "No, no .... Just a fellow adviser explained to me," Don't go there .. Don't touch it .... "
      Somehow lol
      I know. that [: ||||:] wink
  4. +8
    April 19 2012 10: 41
    A friend came from Vietnam ... there is a very good attitude towards the Russians ... benevolent ... many people understand the language ... they do not live richly ... but with enthusiasm ... from conversations with the guide, the main enemy is China ... there ... look ... all a plus ... an article with some subtle smell ... the impression is that for the author Russian is not native .. "According to the testimony of direct participants, they even had their own weapons." or the mention of provocations ... this bike is thirty years old ... and everything lives on ...
    1. +3
      April 19 2012 11: 04
      At one time, a friend told me, on the market in Ho Chi Minh it was possible to buy any American equipment, up to general uniforms. laughing And for the army token they asked for 2 dollars. winked
      1. laurbalaur
        +5
        April 19 2012 12: 09
        It seems that these are remodels for tourists!
        1. +2
          April 19 2012 13: 47
          Well, the tokens are 100% yes.
          But on the other clothes (he brought two jackets from there) stood Amer’s tags. Of course, they can also be faked if you wish, but I want to believe lol
        2. morpekh
          +1
          April 20 2012 07: 22
          Absolutely. Souvenirs. I bought a bunch of different good things for my friends. Many look very personal. Artfully aged.
          1. 0
            April 20 2012 07: 33
            Well, what can I say ... "A well-worn remake turns into a genuine thing" (c) lol
        3. 0
          April 25 2012 07: 38
          I don’t think that it makes sense to fake a camera of the 60s for that price))) To "age" things, etc.)
      2. 0
        April 25 2012 07: 37
        true truth! Itself four months in 2003 was in Saigon under repair! I saw a lot of trophies in the shops: from buttons and chevrons to details of ammunition, movies and photo cameras! Photos unfortunately lost somewhere ((((
    2. +6
      April 19 2012 11: 47
      Not so simple. It was after 1979 that relations with China began to be strained. Before that, there were two groups in the leadership of the DRV. One focused on the USSR, and the other on China.
      Vietnam is the USSR in miniature. There are more than 80 nationalities and nationalities with their own culture and spoken language. The Kirai diaspora is the second largest. The Vietnamese were more dogmatic at the time than our leaders. Yes, and now the leadership of Vietnam is much more pragmatic than ours. They think more about the country than about their pocket.
  5. SectoR
    +6
    April 19 2012 10: 56
    Good is told about this war in the dock. The film "America without makeup" Part 2
    Where as, correctly said, feeling their impunity, chemicals were used.
    “80 million liters of chemicals were dumped, including defoliant, their decomposition product, dioxide, one toxic product, and 3 million hectares of forest were destroyed in South Vietnam. Degeneration continues to this day. People suffered the most, all this affects their children and grandchildren ... the numbers are in the millions (quote from the film)
    But the Americans lost this war, and left with shame !!! The Vietnamese people were strong in spirit, and unlike the American soldiers, they knew what they were fighting for ...
  6. -13
    April 19 2012 11: 00
    Soviet influence, bases, the spread of the ideas of communism, etc. - all this cost a lot of money from our pocket. And, in the name of these chimerical ideas, the Soviet leadership never spared our money and material resources. How it all ended - we well know. The Izvestia of that time published the amount of US spending on the Vietnam War, respectively, and our costs were no less. If we take the prices of that time, then this money would be enough for the construction of a first-class highway from Moscow to Khabarovsk, or about six thousand 100kv. houses. By the way, in my Saratov people lived then in the huts left from captured Germans! And they lived long after the end of the Vietnam War. And they also lived on railway lines, in old cars - I saw all this myself.
    1. Marat
      +14
      April 19 2012 19: 39
      The empire resisted world aggressors all over the world - because it knew that it was impossible to save on this! Give slack - crumple. And as soon as they disarmed and surrendered in 1991 - they lost thousands of times more than in Vietnam and Afghanistan - factories were closed, millions died in ethnic conflicts and from lack of medicine and hunger, the ashes of the country were divided into 15 "independent" countries, in the 90s alone bandits and prostitutes - yes, everyone knows what this "pseudo-economy" has led to - we are still loosening

      Favorite song of the "democrats" - that if they were saving on weapons or on confronting pennies themselves - then they would live better - nonsense! The loss of 1990 showed what the surrender and disarmament led to - a terrible disaster befell us all

      This should be a cruel lesson - if we want to live well - if we want a future for our children - we must not surrender to the world "government" - to be independent we must arm ourselves and revive the USSR 2

      It’s a miracle that oil gave money and the opportunity to rise to Russia and Kazakhstan and begin a revival and integration
      1. +3
        April 20 2012 08: 02
        Marat, plus!
        All the lessons are in vain ...
        Quote: Marat
        factories were closed, millions died in interethnic conflicts and from lack of medicine and hunger, the ashes of the country were divided into 15 "independent" countries, in the 90s only bandits and prostitutes - yes everyone knows what this "pseudo-economy" led to - we are still getting rid of it
        - this is far from all. And if you also count the lost profits and the fact that they were taken out free of charge thanks to the agreement on the division of production, then in general they are millions of times more than they were spent in Vietnam and Afghanistan.
        Taking these lessons into account, one does not regret Syria and Iran, then we will really lose many thousands of times, if not the very right to exist on earth of this sinful angry
        1. -7
          April 20 2012 11: 46
          Marat and aksakal. Have read, apparently, agitation - that the brains have become vraskoryaku. Not the defense of the USSR itself, but the communist ideology was at the head of all these cosmic costs. By the way, strain and remember: how do those who gladly hawala our bread treat Russia now? The USSR then had the strongest army in the world and everyone knew this and there was no great need to prove it. And there was a bomb. The country was ruled by the senile and they did not care deeply about how ordinary people lived. This is what I wanted to say. I never make excuses, but now for the last time. Your land and wealth is immense - you could use it wisely, and not for the Vietnamese, Afghans, cubes and congas to open different hawalniks. What is going on in the country now? For example, yesterday under Putin it was officially said that from our Siberia, British Petroleum is pumped through a leaky pipeline. Over the past year, on average, TWO !! accident, with an oil spill a day! But the Englishmen do not want to renew the pipeline, and have paid themselves dividends. And for a whole year no one stopped them, and this bloke is an ecologist, he also looked at it for a whole year, but reported only yesterday. Then the USSR was ruled by senile people, and now - by criminals. And in the Ministry of Defense - you know. And what about the lost profit or profit - so it is still necessary to take a hard look, and to whom this money will go and into whose pocket? It seems that it is not mine and not yours! And your brains are soaring with "imperial interests" - you are happy, they say, we have enough dry crust: "the native country would live and there are no other worries." Good words, it's only good to listen to them and take them into action, if everyone, from us to the president and the oligarchs, heard these words and took them into action. Unfortunately, from 90 to 12, I see something quite different.
          1. 0
            22 December 2019 20: 08
            This is Kosygin senile ??? That you are a senile batenka.
    2. +1
      April 20 2012 18: 00
      Quote: valerei
      Soviet influence, bases, the spread of the ideas of communism, etc. - all this cost a lot of money from our pocket. And, in the name of these chimerical ideas, the Soviet leadership never spared our money and material resources. How it all ended - we well know.

      valerei, thanks to the Soviet influence and the spread of the ideas of communism, half the world, if not more, gained their independence, look at the world maps of the twenties and today, with the exception of Europe, the territories of Russia and North America, almost everything else was colonies, imagine whole continents were colonies, and ideas communism, how do you dislike them, how do the communist commandments differ from the biblical ones, the ideas of communism are mankind’s dream of a just society. But how ruling people perverted them, to please their ambitions, how this whole Western dermocratic world impeded People’s attempts to build this dream society, where money bags have no place, this is another question. I do not defend the Soviet system, he walked through my family in such a way that you wouldn’t want anyone else, but this country is ours too, there is something to be proud of, there is something to love it for, there is something to lay down our lives for. Sorry for the pathetics.
  7. +1
    April 19 2012 11: 16
    As they say in Russia: Debt by payment is red. This fact from our History was a discovery for me: http://www.stoletie.ru/territoriya_istorii/dalekaja_no_ne_chuzhaja_im_vojna_2011
    -12-15.htm
    How much we still have to learn about ourselves!
    1. 0
      April 19 2012 21: 18
      Yes, a rather interesting article. Moreover, the OMSBON is the base for the Special Forces. That is, there were not ordinary guys, they went through a good training.
  8. 0
    April 19 2012 12: 50
    Well done ... proved that it is not glamor that is important, but technical specifications and the ability to use them.
  9. Num lock U.A.
    +2
    April 19 2012 13: 03
    After the Tokyo incident

    informative article, but the incident was in the Gulf of Tonkin smile
  10. Artur09-75
    +1
    April 19 2012 13: 39
    Quote: Landwarrior
    And the slanting man answered me that he had commanded the interrogation: "Our pilot Li Si Tsin shot you down!"

    100 + !!!!!!!!!
  11. Dust
    +4
    April 19 2012 13: 45
    What kind of garbage?
    Are the Americans on "legendary" phantoms destroying exclusively military targets and diligently protecting Soviet ships?
    And then similar pearls?
    The author is reprimanded with entering - you want to write, write, but we don’t need to retype American agitation here!
    1. 0
      April 25 2012 07: 47
      Not "carefully guarded! But carefully tried not to hit them! But as soon as, for example, our tanker finished from the berth, then an attack immediately followed at the place of unloading! There were also killed from the crews of merchant ships (by fragments from nearby explosions)."

      In honor of one of our sailors, the ship attributed to the Far Eastern Shipping Company was named - "Mechanic Rybachuk"!
  12. +1
    April 19 2012 15: 01
    The Vietnamese fought well, but the United States would have crushed them if our intelligence had not warned their groups in time about the air attack, as soon as the amers lifted the planes, the Vietnamese already knew about it, because our radio interceptors opened their radio communication system, and the radars were on duty and in fact, the whole sky was under control, plus all the movements of the US troops were controlled by our residents, so it was more likely a clash of the USSR and the USA in terms of weapons, but of the modern weapons from the USSR there were only air defense, electronic warfare, and, well, a small amount of weapons for Air Force, and all the rest of the weapons of WWII)))
  13. +14
    April 19 2012 15: 16
    I had a rest in Crimea ... Lyubimovka ... behind the bay ... the village of Kachi pilots ... lived in an apartment ... in the evening wine ... not kosher fried pig meat ... and conversations ... the owner used to cook Vietnamese pilots on the MIG-21 ... stubborn guys .. at first they lost consciousness from overloads .... but they fed everything with a meat ... so it struck him ... they kind of gave money ... they took off and brought in the unit commander ... that would fly more .... at the end of the training the level is very high ... half of the training battles won ... then came alone with a report on the activities done ... with The most popular tactic was ... clearing a clearing in the jungle ... a plane was actually dragged onto it ... on a command at the accelerators flew up ... exactly under passing amers .... two missiles .... a cannon fire. .. and afterburner ... on a shaver home ... 2-3 phantoms are ready ... their first astronaut is a big specialist in this matter ...
    1. +2
      April 19 2012 18: 12
      Tactics, damn it! Tricks !!!
    2. +4
      April 19 2012 21: 16
      The Vietnamese in general, as I wrote above, have reached significant heights in the guerrilla war. Take Dien Bien Phu, for example. The French were sure that the Vietnamese did not have heavy artillery, and they managed, not only howitzers, to pin several "Katyushas" on their hands and buffaloes laughing
      This was their land, and houses, as you know, and the walls help wink
  14. -4
    April 19 2012 16: 22
    Article with a sweetheart ...
    1. 0
      April 21 2012 01: 03
      Sorry comrade .....
  15. 0
    April 19 2012 16: 23
    "Black phantoms" ... Amused ... laughing
  16. Stasi.
    +1
    April 19 2012 20: 21
    It was not in vain that the USSR helped Vietnam. And it's not just about spreading ideology. The bottom line is that Vietnam has oil reserves, and in Vietnam's climatic conditions, it is very easy to extract it. We organized a joint company, Vietsovpetro, which brought the country an annual profit of about $ XNUMX billion. Also, thanks to the presence of a base in Cam Ranh, our fleet could be present in Southeast Asia. And now both the Americans and the Chinese want to have this base. In general, in the warm climate of Asia, it is very profitable to develop many industries, and Vietnam is very advantageously located in the Asian market. That is why the USSR and the United States fought over Vietnam - it is the key to the Asian emerging market and the wealth of Asian countries.
  17. +4
    April 19 2012 20: 50
    Those who served there said that the Vietnamese pilots were first fed for gaining weight, and did not suffer overload. But the fellows defeated all the same amers. Syria has the same patience and determination.
    1. morpekh
      +2
      April 20 2012 07: 27
      I would like to. But the Arabs are from a completely different test. I had the honor to serve with our former instructors, they talked a lot about them. Not a single positive review. Lazy, cowardly, corrupt, etc.
  18. +1
    April 19 2012 22: 04
    this is true. we repaired their rotor. from the end of the war no one flew for 10 years. they bit the wiring. tormented with cars. Vietnamese pilots constantly blew nose. Weak
  19. REPA1963
    +1
    April 19 2012 23: 46
    When he studied at the university in the 80s, at one time he lived in a hostel with the Vietnamese, they ask how much he served? I say 2 years, and they tell me, and we are always with weapons even at home.
  20. 0
    April 19 2012 23: 50
    I remember the lines from the song - ".... I can only hear myself in the headset." Beat Vasya, I'll cover my tail. Together we will cover the Phantom. These Vietnamese are not related to us "
  21. Ohrim
    +1
    April 20 2012 16: 07
    The famous AZP-57 (K-22) was also used from antiaircraft guns. At that time, the only anti-aircraft gun in the world in service. The Vietnamese mastered it well and many phantoms were shot down from such cannons. The weapon is very good. Battery fire control system, incl. Radar, but you can also "manually". It is difficult for a Vietnamese to master a complex technique, but they quickly learned by hand. The officers talked about this when he was studying for this gun. I still love her.
    And about the song where our pilot Li Si Qing brought you down ... While in India, he often put it in a car. The Hindu driver quickly learned it, and when the refrain - already jumped. Well, he explained what the song was about. Got it, got it, respected it. And let's still sing along with the zealots - I liked to bring down the Americans, at least in the song.
  22. 0
    April 20 2012 17: 45
    I do not really understand the current situation in Vietnam, but if I am not mistaken, now Vietnam is "under the United States" (for example, like Japan)
    Can someone tell me if this is so, and if so, how did it happen?
    PS The article is cool!
    1. Railways
      +2
      April 20 2012 20: 06
      Vietnam is kind of "independent". He clearly does not express his support for any superpower. So if China supports, the United States presses and vice versa, the same is with Russia, if they are us, then their China or the United States.
      Well, that's my opinion.
      1. 0
        April 27 2012 19: 04
        So he is independent, because we practically left there, Ah, China seems to be coming soon.
  23. Zemelya46
    0
    5 March 2013 19: 05
    Very interesting article
  24. 0
    7 October 2018 01: 10
    this is my first and only post on this resource, I registered only for this. and I want to tell you guys a story about how ours in Vietnam like "did not fight, but only instructed and advised" heh heh :).
    when I was a very little dad, he told how he served there. his name was Yakovlev Nikolai Semenovich served in the 12th commando battalion with the rank of sergeant, was a squadron, told me that for some time I don’t remember his skydiving, I remember that nine of them are night. he died when I was 17 years old. he gave a subscription, but to me monographically, I did not give anything to anyone, so I decided to post it here. at first he didn’t believe his stories, but then when the Internet appeared he began to check that I remember and seemed to grow together, in general I trust now, well, you decide whether it is drunk or true. I will write only the information that I heard from him and I remember, and he did not tell everything, only some specific stories from his service. in the form of these separate stories I will post information. in brackets will be my explanation. I will try to tell in the first person. Well, I immediately apologize that due to the ban on mats, the original syllable will suffer.
    it appears he said that he served there for 2 months, during this time the base was changed seven times, a "frame" appears in the sky, (this is one of the moments why I did not believe him, he himself believed that only in the Second World War the Germans had aircraft of this type, with the advent of I found out that the amers also used this type of aircraft during the Vietnamese company) they gave a circle, shook their wings, then everything, we have to leave, we mine the base and leave, undermining it behind us, for the seventh time they did not have time to move far, they were hit by mortars, it exploded nearby mine and then I don't remember anything. I woke up in the hospital, I want to piss right out of my ears, I’m calling someone else, a tiny little one comes running, according to our non-streak doesn’t speak, I explained a problem to her with gestures, I thought she’ll bring a duck to the toilet, but I thought I’d fall through the floor so it became dumb let’s deny the stars, giggle in his own way, muttering something and put me back in bed to do sanitary work, well, I had little choice, either my panties were wet or would agree with her proposal ... pissing and such relief immediately came that I immediately passed out ... then he was sent home and served on the autobath near Semipalatinsk. (after the funeral, the military enlistment office referred so there was a record only about service in the autobahn.He did not see any wounds, only his left shoulder joint was dry, that is, the bone was covered with skin, the rest of the muscles were pumped, the biceps chest was all in relief, the mother told that when it came together with him she was 20, he was 21, he could not even lift an ax to chop wood).
    the first story.
    they gave us a mission to steal an officer, (I don’t remember whether he was a Vietnamese or an American), in the introductory news, they found out that he had gone fishing in the mornings on the lake with one of his bodyguards, well, a map, an operation plan, everything as it should, on the mission we go together, came dispersed, hiding, waiting. according to intelligence, the bodyguard always goes first. a target appears, according to the plan, I take the officer as a bodyguard partner, we proceed to the operation, I mean, I shot a net from it with a special cartridge, knocked it out of the net, a partner hangs in there near the lake, although it seems he should have already eliminated the bodyguard and help me, I’m running there troupe, partner in the water, kicking on the shore. the bodyguard on the shore, a meter from the partner’s feet, both face upside down, the partner turned blue all the same, I still don’t understand how the bodyguard was able to kill the partner, who is two heads taller than him and’s shoulders and a half, it seems like poison, nothing more is not coming. there was nothing left to do, he hid the bodies in water, cleaned up the traces as best he could, plunged the officer back on the hump. while the dopper was raked all over like a dog, on the way this was cast off. there was a moment he threw it off the hump, sat on a log, took out a walther, thought to bring it down, he saw, began to mumble something through a gag, I think I hold it in, hid the walter, plunged further. then he slept at the base when they call me for his interrogation, he mumbles something in his own way, removes the watch from his hand and hands it to me, the translator says that he thanks him for not killing him. (unfortunately I don’t remember the names anymore. He also said that they were given a mountain to choose from foreign models, he took Stan and Walter)
    second story
    it means they sent us to the village alone, (they sent it to the detachment, for which unfortunately I don’t remember again) we’re approaching two hundred meters already there is smoke in the black napalm ahead, suddenly the girl runs out four or five years to meet, yelling with a good obscenity, and a hand it’s burning, (I don’t remember the name again, but it seems to be locking it) it grabs it, took a knife and cut a piece of meat from a girl’s hand, cut it off, well, bandaged it said they applied a bandage, they released it further we go, (why I didn’t understand the piece of wood but it so told) we go into the tree nude, everything is already burning out there, the corpses of the burning Vietnamese, no one is alive, the Yankees scorched everyone with a napalm, children, women, everyone. Well, examined the village and returned back. and that girl was then shown on TV, has grown up already, she has become pretty. (here is a package of information, he was 19, she was 4-5, I was born when he was 22, now I am 43, therefore she is now 50-51)
    third story
    they sent us to reconnaissance to the American base, (it looks like he called the checkpoint base) we crawl up to the thorn, hid, listen, the Yankees shouted something to someone, the translator translates "let's go beat ... there Steve Charlie is frying" (I didn't remember where we went, the names too for example, but the name Bill seemed to be, just a worm of doubt inside, years passed) well, we decided that it was some kind of frog, then I found out that they called Charlie the Vietnamese, they knew, then, they would show them "Charlie is frying" , there were not many of them, they would have arranged for them a Kuzka mother.
    fourth story
    The Vietnamese decided to show us how well they are fighting, ambushed an American convoy, blocked the road, set two dryers a little further away, hid themselves in the jungle along the side of the road, they took us to a hill a little further to this circus, we will fall in love, we sit waiting, the Yankee convoy appears , rests against blocking the road, Vietnamese open fire. the Yankees jumped from the trucks and lay down under these trucks, shouting something in the walkie-talkie, they shoot back, the Vietnamese also hit them, then two "cobras" fly in, the cobras started to dry, they flew over the hill there, spinning, an aligator arrives, fired The dryers didn’t get dry, I walked along the road, poured napalm on the green stuff, the Vietnamese were gone, turned around and flew back, cobras flew in from behind the hill and under their cover, although no one was shooting, the Yankees plunged into their trucks and drove on. (I still don't know what type of helicopter Dad called an alligator, with cobras I figured it out, apparently Bell AH-1, although when the Internet did not think that he called the Iroquois so).
    (okay, I’m tired of pushing the buttons, good luck to everyone).
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      7 October 2018 01: 24
      oh yes, completely forgot, admins! You can do whatever you want with the text! I use the soap box indicated during registration for spam, I visit it once a year to clean it.