Turkish tank Leopard-2А4 completely destroyed in Syria

Complete destruction by Turkish Kurdish fighters tank "Leopard-2A4" in Syria caused various opinions: many simply could not believe that the tank, considered one of the best in the world, could easily turn into a pile of scrap metal, writes Messenger of Mordovia.

Users even made assumptions that it was not a tank, but a self-propelled unit with anti-bullet armor.

Later, however, photos of members of the Turkish Leopard-2А4 tank crew who died on the battlefield appeared in the network.

It was reported that in addition to them, several more Turkish soldiers were killed, in addition, several units of motor vehicles were destroyed.

Almost simultaneously with information about this incident, images of the M60T Sabra tank modernized with the help of Israel appeared on the Web. The photo shows that the tank is completely burned. It is assumed that the machine is hit by a missile anti-tank complex.

Comments

[Lord of the Sith]

Video to the news

[Thrall]

Kurds also destroy construction equipment from anti-tank systems:
(the day after Leopard)

[zhekazs]

And who is fighting on construction equipment? Or is the Kurds such a national entertainment?

[oldseaman1957]

Turkish tank Leopard-2А4 completely destroyed in Syria

- Yes, here in Syria it’s not a war, but a continuous advertisement of Russian weapons. In such junk praised leopards fly away - the soul sings! I think Erdogan will not only order C-400 from us ...

[Giant thought]

The Turks, due to the decreased fighting efficiency of their troops due to purges of the command staff, will slurp this Kurdish porridge for a long time and receive snot from the Kurds.

[Alex-a832]

Both Kurds and Turks mutually rake each other. I am sure that some compromise options for mutual coexistence came to the Turks and Kurds, but they did not accept them, and therefore they were given the opportunity to mutate each other.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Giant thought

The Turks, due to the decreased fighting efficiency of their troops due to purges of the command staff, will slurp this Kurdish porridge for a long time and receive snot from the Kurds.

Yes, small mobile groups of Kurdish fighters will do much more damage than during the battle, according to tactics with the presence of a classic front line.

[Cynic]

Quote: Thought Giant

long slurp this Kurdish porridge

Yes, as far as I remember, for more than a dozen years, they slurp her ... You can’t see the end of the region.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: oldseaman1957

I think Erdogan will not only order the S-400 from us.

More Cornents?

[Graz]

Quote: Gregory_45

Cornents "more?

the ally is too unreliable, I would not sell them anything, everything that they buy at any moment can turn against us

[Don]

Quote: oldseaman1957

- Yes, here in Syria it’s not a war, but a continuous advertisement of Russian weapons. In such junk praised leopards fly away - the soul sings! I think Erdogan will not only order C-400 from us ...

Everyone sees what he wants to see

[vlad66]

Yes there and the road "cat" .

[jjj]

Against the background of such conflicts, Russia's desire to modernize the tanks in storage looks very reasonable. Upgraded and sold, upgraded and sold. And our technique will be even better than the one that is in service with the conflicting parties

[Mih1974]

Is it in the front ammunition or something? It painfully severely tore it apart, the impression was that the truck with ammunition plummeted.

[Lord of the Sith]

In the photo next to the jeep burned, I think loaded BC.

[Comrade Kim]

I wonder what it was so bought up.
Terrible death.

[Kars]

It’s strange to see tanks without dz.rode and it’s not the first year of the war, and last year it flew into the idlib. And no changes.

[Muvka]

If a DZ is hung on it, it will become even harder and it will be difficult for him to ride.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Muvka

and he will ride hard.

it’s better to ride bad than to fly fast - one arm is here, the other leg is there (forgive me)
Also. on versions A6 / A7 there is additional armor. Turks have old tanks, A4 versions

[strannik1985]

Quote: Muvka

If a DZ is hung on it, it will become even harder and it will be difficult for him to ride.

Remove additional reservation and replace NKDZ. For example, even the Soviet 4C24 weighs 4 tons.
You can put KAZ-1 "Curtain" or its equivalent, as the Syrians do.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: strannik1985

Remove additional reservation

A4 doesn't have one. And composite armor is not so heavy. The Kurds do not have anti-tank guns and tanks, but against the cumulative composition, this is the very thing.

Quote: strannik1985

You can put KAZ-1 "Curtain" or its equivalent, as the Syrians do.

A curtain is not KAZ, although it is sometimes called that. This KOEP is a complex of optoelectronic counteraction; it does not destroy ATGMs, but tries to disrupt guidance. But, at least the system installed a smoke screen. Judging by the video, the tank crew did not notice the ATGM almost until it hit it.

[Grigory_45]

Soviet "Bassoon". In the combat

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Comrade Kim

what is it so got it

here:

[BARKHAN]

Quote: Gregory_45

here:

Something is right, a completely unfortunate place for an ammunition. Ahead ...
When I see one German cross on a tower, my hand instinctively searches for a grenade? ...

[jjj]

I somehow got out of the boat on the Grossen Plen See lake on the pier of the town Plen in Schleswig-Holstein. And the sailor said quietly: "Schnell, schnelle", I almost instinctively drowned him

[BARKHAN]

Yeah. Here I am about it ....
https://rutube.ru/video/84a29a51339c587ead673d0ee
72cb5b7 /

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Barkhan

Something right is a completely unfortunate place for ammunition.

the calculation, apparently, was that from the frontal shelling the ammunition was protected by rather serious frontal armor. In addition, there’s nowhere to go - unitaries cannot be placed so easily in a tank, these are not shots of separate loading. Who assumed that they would land a tank on board, outside the permissible angles (+ -35 degrees) of course maneuvering? This feature of the tank surfaced only in such "partisan" battles when they shoot ATGM on the side projection. They burned another Leopard (earlier), hitting ATGMs in the niche of the tower (there is also part of the combat station). But then there were survivors

[BARKHAN]

Quote: Gregory_45

This feature of the tank surfaced only in such "partisan" battles when they shoot ATGM on the side projection.

Gregory thanks for the clarification ... But in the modern war it’s already difficult to distinguish the partisan from the regular one. Especially in battles with a trained enemy.

Quote: Gregory_45

Who assumed that they would land a tank on board, outside the permissible angles (+ -35 degrees) of course maneuvering?

Well, actually the “ingenious” German tank builders should have. The whole story, something that prevents them from winning ... either mud, frost, or not an accommodating enemy ... both the designers are good, the commanders are brilliant, and the soldiers are a sight for sore eyes ... and the muzzles are always beaten, but wars are lost ...

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Barkhan

Well, actually "brilliant" German tank builders should have

all modern MBTs were calculated on the concept of conducting an oncoming tank battle - wall to wall, with course maneuvering angles (if sclerosis fails) + -30-40 degrees, depending on the specific model. The modern tank is practically impenetrable from these sectors. Those. They believed that the probability of getting a shell or a grenade in the barrel or stern was extremely low - the infantry would cover, and the rest of the vehicles. There and the armor is mediocre. But everything changes when there is no clear front line, urban battles and those close to them. And here the designer began hastily to come up with various "urban battle kits" - in other words, an additional body kit from armor and DZ from RPGs and ATGMs, additional machine guns and ZPUs, communications with infantry, KAZ and so on. But the Turks don’t even have it - the tank is “naked”
And the generals ... they, as you know, are always preparing for the past war. Because the soldiers are muzzled and beaten constantly
Although in this case, the Turks themselves framed. We got up like three poplars on ivy and do not catch the raven. Rather, in the end they caught it. The last in my life.

[BARKHAN]

Quote: Gregory_45

Although in this case, the Turks themselves framed

Quote: Gregory_45

We got up like three poplars on ivy and do not catch the raven. Rather, in the end they caught it. The last in my life.

I hope that they continue in the same vein ...

[voyaka uh]

And when the Turks marched against ISIS, it was breaking into the same place, also with detonation.
Or to the tower? Shells are also stored somewhere there.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: voyaka uh

And when the Turks marched against ISIS, it was breaking into the same place, also with detonation.
Or to the tower? Shells are also stored somewhere

It was already like this when the front ammunition on the Turkish Leopards detonated. At Al-Bab in December 2016.
And he received ATGM in the rear niche of the tower - there are also shells there. True, this is not so critical, knock-down panels are installed in the roof of the tower’s niche above the ammunition, the whole crew doesn’t hit

[voyaka uh]

Merkava-3 in Lebanon in 2006 had been pierced by some Russian ATGM in the back of the hull, where shells were stored. The tank burned out strongly behind, but the detonations there are slow, in turn, since the shells are in fireproof casing. Died loader, which was behind.

[Graz]

yes there is an explosion, everything is instantaneous, the tankers did not feel anything

[Mih1974]

Judging by the sound - TOU-2. Try to run some videos on which there is a launch itself and immediately hear very different and distinctive launch sounds.

[Mih1974]

Who did not understand what I mean - TOU is a very characteristic "pre-launch" clap, ours (regardless of the model) does not have this.

[Strashila]

Another advertisement for Russian weapons ... what to pay for more, for the Western-made PR equipment and that in fact does not work.

[Strips]

Here is more likely an advertisement for KAZ.

[Terrible GMO]

Quote: Strashila

for what to pay more, for the publicity technique of Western production and that in fact does not work.

From the tank, any tank will burst, which is "westernized", which "has no analogues."

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Strashila

Another advertisement for Russian weapons.

Russian weapons especially do not need advertising. Efficiency is proved by numerous fights. But according to the prestige and reputation of the Leopard, as the best Western tank, these facts hit very hard. And no one will really understand that the modification is already outdated - from the 80s - everyone will remember only one thing: the “German Leopard” fell from the bite of the ancient Soviet “Bassoon”! Shame! And the Russians already have something new! "

[NEXUS]

What I spoke about not so long ago ... the Kurds do not have aviation, air defense, etc., but they learned to burn tanks very well. And not killed and the best in the world and whatever. I said that during the 5 years of the war, the Kurds became very trained fighters and the Turks break a lot of teeth about them. And something tells me that the news about the burnt equipment of the Turks will come more and more. I'm not talking about the fact that airports, cafes, etc. in Turkey itself can begin to take off into the air. The Kurds guerrilla warfare trained very well, and this war has just begun.

[seti]

Well, it’s on hand for us. You look Erdogan in other matters will become more agreeable.

[Awaz]

but from the very beginning I doubted something that the Turks would be able to quickly break the Kurds. It is poor that the Kurds have been fighting for several years, and the poorly trained Turkish warriors can crush quite a bit. Especially Turkish technology. The infantry there according to any of the near Turkish gangs, who also have been fighting for a long time.
What bothers me the most is that the situation can go into a state of stalemate and Americans will settle there under the guise of the UN and peacekeepers. It will be even worse if the Kurds defeat .. This will be a serious blow for Assad and the Kremlin under his breath.

[Strashila]

“And it will be even worse if the Kurds defeat.” ... and what will they do with their independence, having at the same time ruffled the three states ... so against them as against ISIS they can unite ... a war of attrition with the complete blockade of the perimeter.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: NEXUS

What I spoke about not so long ago ... the Kurds do not have aviation, air defense, etc., but they learned to burn tanks very well. And not killed and the best in the world and whatever. I said that over the 5 years of the war, the Kurds became very trained fighters

You are ours Nostradamus)) Without Your Grace, everyone, of course, was in complete confidence that Western tanks were absolutely unkillable

[NEXUS]

Quote: Gregory_45

You are ours Nostradamus)) Without Your Grace, everyone, of course, was in complete confidence that Western tanks were absolutely unkillable

Captain evidence ... and why did you want to squeeze yourself out of your post? You would at least understand what it is about and why I said it. But why, if you can stupidly curl up and throw excrement on the fan?
But the essence is simple even for you, not more than a few days ago, in one article there was a dispute that the Turks, with the support of the coalition, "calm" the Kurds and that the latter have no chance to resist all this. But as it turns out, the Kurds for some reason wanted to spit on the coalition and the USA and the Turks. What I was talking about in that argument.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: NEXUS

Captain obvious

I congratulated you on this

[BARKHAN]

Quote: NEXUS

But as it turns out, the Kurds for some reason wanted to spit on the coalition and the USA and the Turks. What I was talking about in that argument.

Andrey, the Kurds can spit on anyone, but only as long as there is a supply. If the supply is closed, you won’t get much.
The whole question is what kind of war will the Turks wage. If they are anti-terrorism, then they are stuck for a long time ... If they are completely destroyed without sorting (which I think will not be solved), they will spread the Kurds. That is, as always, everything rests on the will of the ruler.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Barkhan

If for complete destruction without sorting

There will be no war for extermination ... 40 million Kurds of them a third are combat-ready. This is from the same opera as Halakost, concentration camps and so on. Who will give them that? Another question is that the Kurds decided through the support of the United States to defend their affairs, from which they paid.

[Strashila]

"40 million Kurds of them are one-third combat-ready" ... no one will destroy, but living conditions can spoil ... and specifically.

[Herculesic]

As far as I remember, a certain minister of defense in our country, at least five years ago, was eager to buy these armored coffins for our army, and even to localize their assembly at UVZ! So much for the “unkillable German armored vehicles!” Even the old “Competition” sweeps the vaunted German beast into the trash! Since the time of the Great Patriotic War, the Germans began to build armored animals, and we are creating St. John's wort!

[Lenivets2]

"at least five years ago"
not five, but seven
"a certain minister of defense in our country"
not the minister of defense, but the commander in chief of the ground forces.
It turned out like in a joke: I didn’t lose and not into cards, but everything is for sure.
Or didn’t you mean Russia?

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Herkulesich

a certain minister of defense in our country, at least five years ago, was eager to buy these armored coffins for our army

Kvadratish, practical, cardboard

[jjj]

Well, something like this: Sam, Vosem

[Nikolai Petrov]

Well zhurnalyuzhki, well, master of the word (not even a minute even knowing that there is a checkpoint). How it sounds "completely destroyed." Either T-62 or T-72 will be “destroyed" completely. Any tank is either destroyed or incapacitated (without the possibility of recovery). In a war, an ordinary case.
This is from the area: Private Petrov "completely shot the WHOLE cartridge round".

[Bourbon]

Quote: Nikolai Petrov

This is from the area: Private Petrov "completely shot the WHOLE cartridge round".

have you already been demoted for a full store ????

[novel66]

for a lost sling swath, for a full store and could be shot

[Nikolai Petrov]

Dear, do not find fault with the words, in this case "full" and "whole" are synonyms

[Bourbon]

Quote: Nikolai Petrov

Dear, do not find fault with the words, in this case "full" and "whole" are synonyms

the last name of the citator and the cited did not coincide by chance

[x.andvlad]

Speaking of literacy:
It is assumed that the car was hit by a rocket anti-tank guided complex.
The anti-tank complex is not MANAGED. It is simply ANTITANK and ROCKET (abbreviated as ATGM). And managed, of course, the ROCKET of this complex.

[novel66]

to destroy completely it is necessary to melt the metal

[BARKHAN]

Quote: novel xnumx

to destroy completely it is necessary to melt the metal

It will not be enough ... It is necessary to annihilate into atoms, followed by the release into a parallel universe. Yes ....

[Spec]

Split into atoms.

[Grits]

to destroy completely it is necessary to melt the metal
And then evaporate. But then sit, think and remember the law on the conservation of matter.

[novel66]

the substance will remain, but the tank will be completely destroyed

[FLOOD]

Quote: NEXUS

What I spoke about not so long ago ... the Kurds do not have aviation, air defense, etc., but they learned to burn tanks very well. And not killed and the best in the world and whatever. I said that during the 5 years of the war, the Kurds became very trained fighters and the Turks break a lot of teeth about them. And something tells me that the news about the burnt equipment of the Turks will come more often.I'm not talking about the fact that airports, cafes, etc. in Turkey itself can begin to take off into the air. Partisan war Kurds trained quite well

And what do you call a guerrilla war ??? To blow up an airport, a cafe in your understanding of guerrilla warfare?

[Graz]

as they say for some scouts, for the opposite side are spies
each side has its own truth and its own red line

[BARKHAN]

Quote: TUFAN

And what do you call a guerrilla war ??? To blow up an airport, a cafe in your understanding of guerrilla warfare?

If it’s a cafe with enemy troops, then yes. If with civilians, then there’s a terrorist attack.
Soviet partisans blew up movie theaters with German soldiers and officers, although the Russians died from the service staff ... and this is a guerrilla war.
And, as it was called, to bomb hundreds of thousands of civilians in German cities, burning people alive? Forcing peace and reducing the resistance of the Germans ...
The winners will write the story.

[PalBor]

Quote: Barkhan

Quote: TUFAN

And what do you call a guerrilla war ??? To blow up an airport, a cafe in your understanding of guerrilla warfare?

If it’s a cafe with enemy troops, then yes. If with civilians, then there’s a terrorist attack.
Soviet partisans blew up movie theaters with German soldiers and officers, although the Russians died from the service staff ... and this is a guerrilla war.
And, as it was called, to bomb hundreds of thousands of civilians in German cities, burning people alive? Forcing peace and reducing the resistance of the Germans ...
The winners will write the story.

The Lance of the Nation, under the leadership of Mandela and after his arrest, waged a “guerrilla war” against the regime. They began by demolishing government buildings, cutting down white farms and, for example, destroying railway stations with passengers.
But who dares to call Mandela a terrorist ?!

[Kosya Queen]

It’s not like an ATGM, the impression is that its mini nuclear bomb was shunned.

[Nikolai Petrov]

Undermining the tank-wide ammunition is a mini-nuclear explosion. There are no options.

[tchoni]

With this Leo, not everything is clear. The impression is that when it hit him something was loaded. It may even be that the ammunition.

[donavi49]

Rather, the main combat unit (which is behind VLDshka) was completely made up of landmines (the Arfinsky tanks do not) - and Allah brought the Bassoon / Competition there, and then ordered to detonate.

In general, there are no tanks left untouched into pieces; there are tanks that are not at war.

[Kelwin]

In general, he somehow settled down freely, the position is open ... maybe he was already damaged

[tchoni]

Quote: KelWin

In general, he somehow settled down freely, the position is open ... maybe he was already damaged

What is true is true. But rather not scared yet. The empty space around looked safe. They didn’t think about anti-tank systems ... and in vain, apparently.

[Orionvit]

Quote: tchoni

But rather not scared yet.

They were sure that the Leopard was the best tank in the world.

[Kelwin]

This is strange, as it was not thought, if this is the main threat. Open space, there is just 2-3 km, we substitute the side and do not bathe ... Well, it is doubtful, the fifth point was supposed to signal the abnormality of the situation. We don’t know when the video was shot, rather this is the second hit, the first car was immobilized, but from the second BC it detonated, because the blast was too much for ptrk, and there is a pause there in a couple of seconds ...

[timothy61]

The verbiage on the site annoys me.

[IGOR GORDEEV]

Quote: timothy61

The verbiage on the site annoys me.

Would you like to talk about this?

[Herculesic]

Timothy 61 - ask to be moderated, and tidy up with an iron hand !

[Wolka]

leopardushko then the Kurds eked out from stocks made in USSR ...

[Razvedka_Boem]

Today Leo, tomorrow T-72 ..
In war, losses are inevitable ..
Many comments just warp ..

[Orionvit]

Quote: Razvedka_Boem

Today Leo, tomorrow T-72 ..
In war, losses are inevitable ..
Many comments just warp ..

So far, mostly Leo. And that is a fact.

[Vadim237]

If the Turks had Leopards 2 A7 + such losses from ATGMs did not happen.

[Orionvit]

Quote: Vadim237

If the Turks had Leopards 2 A7 +

If grandmother had Faberge, then she would be grandfather. The casket just opens, the Germans lost the tank design school. PR, PR, and the first real military use, as it is not so. The Turks are losing the best tanks in the world, moreover, “successfully”. Truth and tankers, probably still those.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Orionvit

Germans lost design tank school

another unproven blah blah? It’s impossible to understand your style, but to prove it unproven.

Quote: Orionvit

Turks lose the best tanks in the world

Lose, non-modernized versions of the Leopard 2A4 1980s release. Versions A5 / A6 have patch armor on the tower and sides of the hull and other improvements that help them survive. Moreover, even the old A4 never fired on the forehead - understand that useless.
We see how the Turks are at war (someone calls them the best army in the BV). A significant part of how efficiently / inefficiently the equipment works is on the shoulders of the crews. Fighting, as you know, not technology, but people. We embarked on a “picnic”, neither snipers, nor anti-tankers are not afraid. For what they paid.
With the advent of a large number of modern portable ATGMs, any tanks will suffer losses. It will be possible to level them only with tactics

[Orionvit]

Quote: Gregory_45

It’s impossible to understand your style, but to prove it unproven.

What does it mean not to understand? Facts on the face. The Turkish army suffers losses from partisans, even if well equipped. And not the first time.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Orionvit

Quote: Gregory_45
It’s impossible to understand your style, but to prove it unproven.
What does it mean not to understand? Facts on the face. The Turkish army suffers losses from partisans, even if well equipped. And not the first time.

Oh, how fast you are to rash judgments. Well, for example, the Arabs also suffered losses and suffered defeats, armed with Soviet tanks. By your logic - the Soviet tank school is lost?
Nothing that tanks, planes, ships themselves do not fight?
Once again I’ll ask what your base is based on:

Quote: Orionvit

Germans lost design tank school

What does it mean that the Germans lost their tank design school? Forgot to do tanks? Maybe the Chinese overtook them? Or who?

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Vadim237

If the Turks had Leopards 2 A7 +

such losses from ATGMs did not happen.

I agree) He would have suffered the old Soviet “Bassoon” without fatal consequences. And the calculation of the ATGM would probably not be too good.
But the history of the subjunctive mood has no
"Leopards" of modern versions (A6 / A7) - a rare beast in nature. It is found only in Germany, Finland, Qatar and Saudi Arabia.

[tchoni]

Quote: Orionvit

Quote: Razvedka_Boem

Today Leo, tomorrow T-72 ..
In war, losses are inevitable ..
Many comments just warp ..

So far, mostly Leo. And that is a fact.

Oh, I’m belittling you ... Are there too few seventy-two without towers left during the woodcarving in Syria? -)

[Incvizitor]

So the question arose about the additional protection of the tanks of the Turks (there is no sense in stuttering about active at all) at least Leo 2, the rest of the old stuff and protection are not worth it, I would have steamed it to the "allies" ...

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Incvizitor

So the question arose about the additional protection of the tanks of the Turks (there is no sense in stuttering about active at all) at least Leo 2, the rest of the old stuff and protection are not worth it, I would have steamed it to the "allies" ...

It was the Turkish “junk” that turned out to be better suited for “partisanism” - actions in urban areas or in an area close to it. "Sabra" - a modernized American veteran M60, hung from head to toe with additional armor and DZ blocks, in a similar situation most likely would have survived

[Muvka]

Quote: Gregory_45

Quote: Incvizitor

So the question arose about the additional protection of the tanks of the Turks (there is no sense in stuttering about active at all) at least Leo 2, the rest of the old stuff and protection are not worth it, I would have steamed it to the "allies" ...

It was the Turkish “junk” that turned out to be better suited for “partisanism” - actions in urban areas or in an area close to it. "Sabra" - a modernized American veteran M60, hung from head to toe with additional armor and DZ blocks, in a similar situation most likely would have survived

In 16, they burned a lot.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Muvka

In 16, many were burned.

Namely Sabra? Where can I enlighten on this topic? Do not take on this noble work?
“Sabra” is a worthy attempt to pull the old people to an acceptable level. Of course, the powerful Cornets will not hold back, but the widespread RPGs and ATGMs are quite. Anything better than the naked Leopard

[Uruska]

I talked with the Kurds. I drank vodka. They remind me very much of the Central Asian gypsies. And so - nothing ... It is quite intelligible ...

[Cetron]

There is a gypsy friend, a neighbor who works as a taxi driver. We talked for life. I ask: how are you? It’s worthless, he replies, there’s absolutely no income, and then he added: “Recently, I drove the Kurds to Riga, we got the impression: worse than gypsies. Many will come - we all have a khan.”
Such an assessment from a gypsy is worth a lot.

[Orionvit]

many simply could not believe that the tank, considered one of the best in the world, could so easily turn into a pile of scrap metal

That's what Western PR can do. The main thing is to say that the tank is the best, and there already on the Discovery channel, the best "experts" will make a rating where the T-90 is in 9th place out of 10. So much for the Leopard.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Orionvit

the best "experts" will make a rating,

Yes, what a rating! In ratings there is even a "very good Turkish tank "Altai", only "experts" are not at all concerned about the fact that the tank has no engine. Well, not him, from the word at all. We got a few German MTUs for experimental cars, but they don’t know what to do with serial ones. But the tank is in the tank rating, along with absolutely serial and warring “Abrams” and T-90! Here are such ... ratings! And they believe them! ..

[Sonet]

Quote: Nyrobsky

Quote: Giant thought

The Turks, due to the decreased fighting efficiency of their troops due to purges of the command staff, will slurp this Kurdish porridge for a long time and receive snot from the Kurds.

Yes, small mobile groups of Kurdish fighters will do much more damage than during the battle, according to tactics with the presence of a classic front line.

The front line is there. And just like in the Donbass, it is considered captured villages and cities.

[Konstantin Yu]

The Turk is sorry .. and the Kurds are not saints ... All the snot exchanges will end, and after long, but unproductive negotiations. It is not clear why in this war tanks? expensive and sad ..

[Normal ok]

many simply could not believe that the tank, considered one of the best in the world, could so easily turn into a pile of scrap metal

Invulnerable tanks - does not happen.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Normal ok

Invulnerable tanks - does not happen.

by itself) But some people believe in this sacredly. As in unsinkable ships and invisible planes)) Here is the proof:

Propaganda is a powerful thing

[vandarus]

Kurds have women's units, judging by the voice of at least the observer girl. If the ATGM operator is also a girl, then this is a feast of some feminists.

[236 BTR]

It’s a pity for men, politicians start wars, and soldiers suffer ....