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Indian Navy delegation at Sevmash: Thank you for Vikramaditya

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The delegation of the Indian Navy paid a working visit to the Russian enterprise Sevmash. The head of the delegation, Vice-Admiral Pabbi Gurtedzh Singh, who heads the logistics department of the Indian Navy, met with the general director of Sevmash, Mikhail Budnichenko.


Indian Navy delegation at Sevmash: Thank you for Vikramaditya


The main topic for discussion is further cooperation on the issue of post-warranty maintenance of the aircraft carrier Vikramaditya. India hopes that Russian specialists will continue to provide support for the ship, which was transferred to India in 2013 after deep modernization.

At the moment, Sevmash and Rosoboronexport are implementing a comprehensive support program after the sale of an aircraft carrier in India. At the same time, the Indian side highly appreciated the kind of activity of specialists from Russian enterprises.

According to Vice-Admiral Singh, the Vikramaditya is an excellent aircraft carrier, which today is the flagship of the Indian Navy.

Head of the Indian delegation:
We have been actively exploiting it for five years. It perfectly helps to realize all the tasks that we set fleet. He often goes to sea. This indicates the high quality of the work of Sevmash specialists.


Recall that the Vikramaditya service contract by Russian specialists was signed in 2015 year.

"Vikramaditya" - deeply modernized Soviet aircraft carrier "Admiral Gorshkov" with a full displacement of 45,5 thousand tons and a maximum travel speed in the 32 node. Team Vikramadityi - 1,6 thousand people, including pilots. Carries on board the aircraft MiG-29K and MiG-29KUB, as well as helicopters Ka-28, Ka-31 or (and) HAL Dhruv.
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  1. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 2 February 2018 17: 28
    +2
    The main thing is not to drown on sloppiness .. And so for your money, any whims gentlemen Indians .. hehe
    1. KVU-NSVD
      KVU-NSVD 2 February 2018 17: 36
      12
      Do not drown, There is a Russian defense against the fool, modernized under Indian shouting smile Unkillable option !! hi
      1. Logall
        Logall 2 February 2018 17: 40
        +7
        Quote: KVU-NSVD
        Russian defense against the fool, modernized under Indian indiscrimination

        And is it adapted to the walking of cows? Indians without their favorites are nowhere! Especially without sacred favorites ...
        1. vlad66
          vlad66 2 February 2018 17: 47
          +9
          Quote: Logall
          And is it adapted to the walking of cows? Indians without their favorites are nowhere! Especially without sacred favorites ...

          Sanya, just let the hay be taken with them, but they have a place to walk.
          True, then they will scrub the deck for a month. fellow drinks
          1. BROVR
            BROVR 2 February 2018 17: 52
            +4
            Do we have something similar, except for forever cold for the team and forever smoking for the environment? fool
            1. vlad66
              vlad66 2 February 2018 18: 04
              +8
              Quote: BroWR
              Do we have something similar, except for forever cold for the team and forever smoking for the environment? fool

              It was yes Surprise Lesha, but this is now a sistership
              Quote: BroWR
              forever cold for the team and forever smoking for the environment

              "Vikramaditya" request He’s the "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Gorshkov." He’s
              "Fleet Admiral of the Soviet Union Gorshkov" (initially Kharkov, then Baku until October 4, 1990) - heavy aircraft carrier (TAVKR), the only ship of project 1143.4 (chief designer V. F. Anikiev), sold to India on January 20, 2004 On March 5, 2004, the cruiser was expelled from the Russian Navy, the current name was canceled, the Andreevsky flag was solemnly lowered .. Currently, the ship, after complete restructuring, has been incorporated into the Indian Navy as the Vikramaditya aircraft carrier.

              wink
              1. vlad66
                vlad66 2 February 2018 18: 09
                +9
                Quote: vlad66
                then until October 4, 1990 “Baku”

                Py. Sy. Oh old. Here is the photo of "Baku"
                1. Stas157
                  Stas157 2 February 2018 19: 12
                  +5
                  Indian Navy delegation at Sevmash: Thank you for Vikramaditya

                  And they could build for themselves. But, in modern Russia, unfortunately there is no money for aircraft carriers because of the small budget, but there is money for the construction of luxury yachts for oligarchs and officials, at the price of a frigate.
                  To change the situation, at least try to do it, you need to give your choice for the popular candidate Grudinin. And he will squeeze all the oligarchs!
                  1. INTER
                    INTER 2 February 2018 22: 16
                    +1
                    Quote: Stas157
                    give your choice for the popular candidate Grudinin

                    He will not be able to do anything, will repeat the fate of Andropov. Who will let him put into practice what he says?
                  2. Ruslan Aushev
                    Ruslan Aushev 3 February 2018 08: 20
                    0
                    You id-di if you really think so.
              2. BROVR
                BROVR 2 February 2018 18: 18
                +3
                It was ... Before ... "That's it" - I immediately recall Elena Sergievna ... I loved to say that, the Kingdom of the Slave of God ... It doesn’t matter, it’s important, they IS, and with you NO. hi
                1. vlad66
                  vlad66 2 February 2018 19: 00
                  +7
                  Quote: BroWR
                  And we have something like that

                  Once again, Py.Sy.There is another sistership- "Liaoning" in China. He is "Varyag"
                  "Liaoning" (Chinese. 辽宁 also known under tail number 16 and earlier - under the unofficial name of Chinese. 施琅 "Shi Lan" in honor of the Chinese commander of the 1985th century) is an aircraft carrier of the Chinese Navy. It was laid in 1143.6 at a shipyard in Nikolaev for the USSR Navy under the name "Riga", as the second aircraft carrier of project 19. On June 1990, 1992 it was renamed “Varyag.” After the collapse of the USSR, the ship went to Ukraine and construction was discontinued in 1998. In 25, bought by China for $ 25 million, officially - with the aim of organizing a floating entertainment center. Towed to China and completed as an aircraft carrier. September 2012, 2017 became part of the PLA Navy. As of XNUMX, one of China's two existing aircraft carriers
                  Well, there are already crested Chinese thought to hold. Well, well. fellow Here is a photo of the "Varangian"
                  And also TAKR "Kiev" and "Minsk", here is an article about them in the archive;
                  https://topwar.ru/36761-sovetskie-avianesuschie-k
                  reysery-v-kitae.html
                  Honor. yes
                  1. Piramidon
                    Piramidon 2 February 2018 19: 36
                    +3
                    “Kiev” and “Minsk” do not belong to sisterships “Kuzi”, “Liaonina” and “Vikramaditya”.
                    1. vlad66
                      vlad66 2 February 2018 19: 50
                      +7
                      Quote: Piramidon
                      “Kiev” and “Minsk” do not belong to sisterships “Kuzi”, “Liaonina” and “Vikramaditya”.

                      Yes. hi This is a project 1143 "Krechet", and "Kiev" is the lead. hi
                      And “Kuznetsov” project 1143.5, “Liaoning” project 1143.6, “Vikramaditya” project 1143.4 this series was called “The Soviet Union” was called. I will not lie, if there are any inaccuracies correct, I will be grateful. hi
                      1. Piramidon
                        Piramidon 2 February 2018 19: 59
                        +2
                        Quote: vlad66
                        And “Kuznetsov” project 1143.5, “Liaoning” project 1143.6, “Vikramaditya” project 1143.4 this series was called “The Soviet Union” was called. I will not lie, if there are any inaccuracies correct, I will be grateful. hi

                        There was another project 1143.7 Ulyanovsk, but alas, ah. You will find in networks.
                      2. Grigory_45
                        Grigory_45 3 February 2018 00: 49
                        +4
                        in fact, they all went under the code "Krechet":
                        "Kiev" (project 1143)
                        Minsk (project 1143.2)
                        Novorossiysk (project 1143.3, sometimes called 1143M among themselves)
                        Baku (project 1143.4)
                        And although they were more likely to refer to the further branch of evolution, the project’s very nature didn’t have much effect:
                        Admiral Kuznetsov (project 1143.5)
                        “Varangian” (project 1143.6)
                        Ulyanovsk (project 1143.7)
                        All ships of the project 1143 "Gyrfalcon", but not a single one!
                        Quote: vlad66
                        this series like "Soviet Union" was called

                        in the western press was called. They generally there for the time being thought that the Union is building battleships)

                        In general, there is a very informative work, one of the best according to our TAVKRs): Balakin S, A., Zabolotsky V.P. "Soviet Aircraft Carriers. Aircraft Carriers of Admiral Gorshkov" M: Collection, Yauza, EKSMO, 2007
                    2. vlad66
                      vlad66 2 February 2018 20: 07
                      +7
                      Quote: Piramidon
                      There was another project 1143.7 Ulyanovsk, but alas, ah. In the networks you will find

                      That's exactly the Colleague that was. There was a damn perestroika and the collapse of the Union, which Ulyanovsk ruined. hi
            2. MIKHAN
              MIKHAN 2 February 2018 18: 21
              +2
              Quote: BroWR
              Do we have something similar, except for forever cold for the team and forever smoking for the environment? fool

              AUG is already the last century and is intended to intimidate weak countries ..! That is why the USA has never been driven to the shores of Russia by the USA ..?
              1. BROVR
                BROVR 2 February 2018 18: 25
                +4
                There was no need, for our happiness ... winkOur authorities already transfer money, with blood and then extracted by me, into their pieces of paper ... And so, if "ours" kicks up ", which I, like the whole country, strongly doubt, then 13 AUG, Karl. .. wink wink
                1. MIKHAN
                  MIKHAN 2 February 2018 18: 37
                  +4
                  Quote: BroWR
                  There was no need, for our happiness ... winkOur authorities already transfer money, with blood and then extracted by me, into their pieces of paper ... And so, if "ours" kicks up ", which I, like the whole country, strongly doubt, then 13 AUG, Karl. .. wink wink

                  Go then, give up Carrrl, get to the border of the Baltic states .. They will be sent back and sent .. hehe
                  We do not need such whiners in Russia and alarmists either .. negative
                2. Piramidon
                  Piramidon 2 February 2018 19: 43
                  +4
                  Quote: BroWR
                  And so, if "our" buzz ", which I, like the whole country, strongly doubt, then 13 AUG, Karl.

                  Sketch a sketch of how these AUGs will conquer Russia. Russia is not Papuans, but some, and the star-striped admirals, too, are not full of people to use with their troughs to use all coastal and airborne anti-ship means. Your beloved Yankees with their aircraft carriers will not be allowed even to the maximum range of carrier-based aviation to our shores. Something like this, Carl.
              2. Stas157
                Stas157 2 February 2018 19: 02
                +6
                Quote: MIKHAN

                AUG is already the last century and is intended to intimidate weak countries ..!

                Well, yes, when there is no money for the construction of their own AUGs, this alone has to console themselves.
                1. MIKHAN
                  MIKHAN 2 February 2018 19: 16
                  0
                  Quote: Stas157
                  Quote: MIKHAN

                  AUG is already the last century and is intended to intimidate weak countries ..!

                  Well, yes, when there is no money for the construction of their own AUGs, this alone has to console themselves.

                  Well you're right. I console myself and yet, in fact, this is a great goal! But as a demonstration of strength and power, everything is TRUE! Not all countries in the world can afford this! Russia cannot yet ...
                2. Piramidon
                  Piramidon 2 February 2018 20: 29
                  +1
                  Quote: Stas157
                  Well, yes, when there is no money for the construction of their own AUGs, this alone has to console themselves.

                  Well, suppose we have 100/500 aircraft carriers. What country do you intend to conquer with their help, for what and how? All sorts of "Papuans" do not offer. Or you have some kind of imperial ambitions in your head walking around the times of the British, Spanish and French empires of past centuries. The days of the conquistadors with muskets and the natives with bows and slings have passed.
              3. Grigory_45
                Grigory_45 3 February 2018 01: 01
                +2
                Quote: MIKHAN
                AUG is already the last century and is intended to intimidate weak countries.

                AUGs were created for completely different purposes, and not for intimidation of the "Babnanov republics." First of all, to counter the fleet of the USSR, to dominate the sea.
                The ax was also created to cut logs, but how many other functions he could think of. For example, to break a head. Or check the law of Archimedes and the gravitational force of the Earth. In your opinion, this is his first appointment?
            3. johnik
              johnik 3 February 2018 00: 51
              0
              About cold for the team - someone lied to you a lot ...
        2. SEER
          SEER 3 February 2018 01: 43
          0
          Quote: Logall
          Quote: KVU-NSVD
          Russian defense against the fool, modernized under Indian indiscrimination

          And is it adapted to the walking of cows? Indians without their favorites are nowhere! Especially without sacred favorites ...

          there is a special coating of the deck. 100% suitable for sacred cows
        3. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 3 February 2018 02: 47
          +4
          Quote: Logall
          And is it adapted to the walking of cows? Indians without their favorites are nowhere! Especially without sacred favorites ...

          At the very end of the 90, the Indians at work came to me. I will not talk about work - Indians - they are also Indians in Africa. But the five-kilogram gift box of tea was cool! They know how to grow tea - it's a fact! But I don’t know how with aircraft carriers ... request
    2. vlad66
      vlad66 2 February 2018 17: 40
      10
      We very actively exploited it for five years. He perfectly helps to realize all the tasks that we set for the fleet. He often goes to sea. This indicates the high quality of the work of Sevmash specialists.

      Come again, only with real Wishlist yes After such negotiations with the Indians, people really become gray. laughing
      1. BROVR
        BROVR 2 February 2018 17: 45
        +2
        What are you rejoicing, gentlemen, comrades Logall and Vlad 66 ??? Their bin Nicht Fershteen si, Genossa ... am
    3. siberalt
      siberalt 2 February 2018 17: 49
      +1
      Something their name "Vikra" looks a lot like "Ukra." It seems that the ship will be so familiar. winked
      1. jjj
        jjj 2 February 2018 17: 56
        +6
        And look, there are no complaints about asbestos thermal insulation of boilers. And then how much noise, howls were. They laid out the Chinese brick wall, and take crack
    4. Kyzmich
      Kyzmich 5 February 2018 10: 36
      0
      In vain, scorch.
      The experience of operating the aircraft carriers with the Indians will be more than ours. As well as the training of crews. Including flight.
      We rush about with our “Kuznetsov” as with a suitcase without a handle, not knowing what to do with it.
      This "Vikramaditya" is already the third cautious step in the project of building a series of light aircraft carriers of the "Vikrant" class
      It is supposed to be built three pieces.
      One is already under construction and by the end of this year should go into operation.
      By the way, our Nevskoye Design Bureau participated in the design.
      About the functionality they are in no way inferior to the atomic "Charles" of the French Navy.
      The maintenance of aircraft carriers is a very, very costly affair.
      By the way. When TAKR “Kiev” came to the Northern Fleet there was nothing to paint the water lines of the remaining ships.
      For the first time they began to paint ... with a red hair.
      This is so by the way.
      Such "ships" devoured almost the entire budget of the fleet.
      1. Grigory_45
        Grigory_45 5 February 2018 10: 56
        0
        Quote: Kyzmich
        Vikramaditya is already the third cautious step in the project of building a series of light aircraft carriers

        before the "Vikrant" Indians built aircraft carriers themselves? recourse If sclerosis does not change, then all of their former aircraft carriers - bought abroad: the first "Vikrant" - the former British "Hercules", "Viraat" - the former British "Hermes"), "Vikramaditya" - the former Soviet "Gorshkov"
        Quote: Kyzmich
        One is already under construction and by the end of this year should go into operation.

        "Vikrant" project 71 combat readiness will reach the year by 2020
        1. Kyzmich
          Kyzmich 5 February 2018 15: 58
          0
          rebuilt but not built.
          The first of their construction is pr71 "Vikrant"
          It seems very good.
          Wiped the nose of the French with their "De Golem"
  2. zzdimk
    zzdimk 2 February 2018 17: 34
    0
    Here, the imported helicopters ... Confuse
    1. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 3 February 2018 01: 08
      +2
      Quote: zzdimk
      Here, the imported helicopters ... Confuse

      Ka-28, Ka-31 and HAL Dhruv are based on Vikramaditya. The main grouping is just Kamov cars.
  3. 210ox
    210ox 2 February 2018 17: 34
    +6
    Yes, please! Since we ourselves can’t save and increase the Soviet legacy, then even the Indians can use it ... It's not a pity ........ Is it really so important that this money doesn’t exist in any way .. In terms of ensuring defense. Okay, we sell and we buy grain for this industrial equipment, which they themselves could do .. But the ships ... Of which the cat ourselves have become too hot.
    1. Serg65
      Serg65 2 February 2018 20: 11
      +5
      Quote: 210ox
      . Is it really so important that money is impossible without them?

      hi Welcome Dmitry!
      It was the sale of this ship that saved Sevmashzavod, which is now building underwater strategists and repairing nuclear cruisers !!!! Gorshkov was built under a plane that was never born, this orphan was dead weight and was quietly dying!
  4. Mitrich
    Mitrich 2 February 2018 17: 37
    0
    Particularly pleased with the yellow proletarian bloomers)))
    1. DEDPIHTO
      DEDPIHTO 2 February 2018 17: 45
      +1
      They are not proletarian, they .... Kin-dza-dza watched ?,
      I was more pleased with our pot-bellied, daddy's, compared to the taut Indians laughing
      1. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 2 February 2018 18: 02
        +5
        Quote: DEPHIHTO
        I was more pleased with our pot-bellied, daddy's, compared to the taut Indians

        And I was pleased with the Russian woman who stands a notch and all the same rises above all.
  5. NEOZ
    NEOZ 2 February 2018 17: 37
    0
    gentlemen, please explain why such a necessity was necessary to sell Gorshkov?
    taking into account that we will not have more aircraft carriers (in the near future) !!!
    Well, very interesting ...
    1. Herculesic
      Herculesic 2 February 2018 17: 48
      +1
      There was no need to sell a ship from the fleet reserve, instead of upgrading it! They just showed their kindness!
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 2 February 2018 20: 14
        +7
        Quote: Herkulesich
        There was no need to sell a ship from the fleet reserve, instead of upgrading it!

        Oh Herculesych, don’t knowingly dissemble, it’s not decent for a communist!
    2. dvina71
      dvina71 2 February 2018 17: 53
      +2
      Quote: NEOZ
      for what such a need

      ON simple .. FOR 2004 there was simply no money to repair such a ship. The money that was available went to the modernization of the underwater component of the triad.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 2 February 2018 18: 22
        +1
        Quote: dvina71
        In 2004 there was simply no money to repair such a ship.

        For 2004, the fate of Baku has already been decided. Negotiations on it have been going on since 1994, and the documents were signed in 2000.
    3. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 2 February 2018 18: 21
      +3
      It's simple: 1143.4 had two options for fate - either it leaves India, or repeats the fate of 1143.1, 2 and 3. For the domestic Navy did not have money to upgrade it - it would have to cut other programs. In the most optimistic version, he would now chase in the crap, like the “Kirov”.
    4. Captain Pushkin
      Captain Pushkin 2 February 2018 21: 34
      0
      Quote: NEOZ
      NEOZ Today, 17:37
      gentlemen, please explain why such a necessity was necessary to sell Gorshkov?
      taking into account that we will not have more aircraft carriers (in the near future) !!!
      Well, very interesting ..

      To have an ocean fleet that is three times inferior to the American one would have to spend a large part of the military budget on its maintenance. And what would we have in the bottom line?
      A fleet that does not have a chance of victory, and non-operational ground forces, aviation and Strategic Missile Forces.
      We have all gone through this. Tsar Nikolai-2 spent 40% of the military budget on the fleet. Stalin spent about the same amount on the fleet. And what was the effectiveness of these investments? The Black Sea Fleet fought a bit in WWII, and in the WWII only a small Northern one could be called a warrior. And with very modest successes in both cases.
    5. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 3 February 2018 01: 11
      +3
      Quote: NEOZ
      please explain why such a need to sell Gorshkov?

      there was no money for repairs (not just for large-scale reconstruction - look who Gorshkov was and who Vikramaditya became). There was no air group for it. In fact, the ship simply stood and was slowly dying.
      For the same reason (resource depletion and lack of air groups), other TAVKRs were forced to sell.
  6. Herculesic
    Herculesic 2 February 2018 17: 46
    +1
    Late ignition on? Why didn’t you come a couple of years ago? Could another aircraft carrier from scratch to order from us!
    1. NEOZ
      NEOZ 2 February 2018 18: 20
      0
      they build their own! current will not be built ... Wikrant is called ....
      1. Vlad.by
        Vlad.by 2 February 2018 19: 14
        0
        Yes, yes ... and they have been designing an air wing for him for thirty years ...
        Good luck on their neck and wind in their hair. You look at the 22nd century and build something.
        1. Grigory_45
          Grigory_45 3 February 2018 01: 14
          +2
          Quote: Vlad.by
          they have been designing an air wing for him for thirty years.

          wingwing for him they just buy) Either our MiGs, or Super Hornets
    2. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 3 February 2018 01: 22
      +2
      Quote: Herkulesich
      Could another aircraft carrier from scratch to order from us!

      they don’t need a purchased aircraft carrier now. They proposed the "Storm" (including to the Chinese). Everyone waved it off - they say, they will build it themselves. If you don’t really have to worry about China, they’ll definitely build it, here the Idus will have songs with dances. And they will bring them either to us again, or this time to the States. It is not without reason that recently, under-workers have been courting Indians. Either the newest catapult will be shown to them, then the deck, or something else they will promise. Gypsies love this
  7. lance
    lance 2 February 2018 18: 11
    0
    the Indians are really happy, especially after the test take-off and landing on the Kuzyu, although the Kuzya VPS is longer and wider.
  8. faiver
    faiver 2 February 2018 18: 29
    0
    Zvezdo how insulting - this one in India, the Varangian in China, plus two more as attractions .... sad
  9. dgonni
    dgonni 2 February 2018 19: 11
    0
    The Indian Times does not give a single mention of such a great news !. even there is no news about sending a delegation! This means that this is a regular working visit under the contract. when the author wrote an article at least thought about what he was writing? Purely excerpt (India hopes that Russian specialists will continue to escort the ship that was handed over to India in 2013 after deep modernization.) Russia has refused or is it trying to abandon the signed contract terms? Or some brow stupidly wanted to write that the Indians came to thank for a great ship? Well, so I have something to say to you, mattresses will soon be on the Indian ship. Well, in terms of evaluation and suggestions. Draw your own conclusions
    1. IL-18
      IL-18 2 February 2018 20: 16
      0
      In Rossiyskaya Gazeta, take another look, there is silence too. But if the mattresses are interested in something for an aircraft carrier of the light class, designed almost forty years ago, then this will be a sensation.
    2. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 3 February 2018 01: 16
      +2
      Quote: dgonni
      This means that this is a regular working visit as part of the contract.

      and most likely not even on the topic of TAVKR, but on the more pressing topic of nuclear submarines
    3. lance
      lance 3 February 2018 05: 45
      0
      do you follow the indian press so regularly? or a shame for the Varangian and not only?
      1. Grigory_45
        Grigory_45 5 February 2018 21: 55
        0
        Quote: Lance
        do you follow the indian press so regularly?

        if it was addressed to me, then yes, sometimes it does. Russia and India are heavily tied to the military-technical cooperation. Various ridges in relations affect the domestic defense industry. And for a lot of guessing is not difficult. Hindus are now interested in the nuclear fleet, the program comes with a great creak. The Ingushetian shipbuilders are very sleek, just like Shiva - only each of the hands does not know what the neighboring head is doing and even more so. We arrived with my bros to consult ... with the eternal question: what to do?
        And about TAVKR they have nothing special to discuss with us. The Americans showed them like glass beads an electromagnetic catapult and Super Hornets. We have nothing to offer them except the MiG-29
  10. Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 2 February 2018 21: 49
    +2
    Quote: Stas157
    To change the situation, at least try to do it, you need to give your choice for the popular candidate Grudinin. And he will squeeze all the oligarchs!

    Your "people's candidate" Grudinin has not yet closed accounts with foreign banks. He’s just an oligarch, though on a state farm scale, he has privatized 40% of his state farm! Well, rushing from party to party, a chameleon. Communists have come to push such a guano.
  11. faterdom
    faterdom 2 February 2018 23: 30
    +3
    It was Indian orders that helped Sevmash to survive and not lose the unique team of specialists in the 90s and zero years. Although not without scandals (in my opinion, it was with this ship that our contractors waved by for a lard or a half dollars, then they had to be shaken for a long time). And the Sukhoi Design Bureau enterprises also survived on the Indians.
    1. lance
      lance 3 February 2018 05: 25
      +1
      in 90 the entire military-industrial complex survived due to india missiles and tanks, air defense, etc.
    2. Wolka
      Wolka 3 February 2018 08: 09
      0
      Well, yes, the Indians are such benefactors and patrons of art lol
  12. Wolka
    Wolka 3 February 2018 08: 07
    0
    the protocol is resting, some yellow pantyhose are worth something, but it seems that the elephants are purely national ...
  13. Earnest
    Earnest 3 February 2018 10: 26
    +1
    Quote: Stas157
    Indian Navy delegation at Sevmash: Thank you for Vikramaditya

    And they could build for themselves. But, in modern Russia, unfortunately there is no money for aircraft carriers because of the small budget, but there is money for the construction of luxury yachts for oligarchs and officials, at the price of a frigate.
    To change the situation, at least try to do it, you need to give your choice for the popular candidate Grudinin. And he will squeeze all the oligarchs!

    Only Grudinin claims that defense spending is excessive and must be reduced. So he will not build anything like that)
  14. Kyzmich
    Kyzmich 5 February 2018 10: 43
    0
    Quote: Gregory_45
    Quote: MIKHAN
    AUG is already the last century and is intended to intimidate weak countries.

    AUGs were created for completely different purposes, and not for intimidation of the "Babnanov republics." First of all, to counter the fleet of the USSR, to dominate the sea.

    Can you explain on which sea their aircraft carriers were supposed to oppose our fleet?
    The basis of our Navy was the PLO and the nuclear submarines.
    To counter them, they do not need AUG.
    But for the democratization of coastal countries is very suitable.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 5 February 2018 11: 23
      0
      Quote: Kyzmich
      The basis of our Navy was the PLO and the nuclear submarines.
      To counter them, they do not need AUG.

      Quite the opposite - for breaking through our borders, the AUG PLO is extremely useful. In the presence of enemy AUGs, our PLOW, the air defense of which is provided by our own air defense systems or coastal aviation, will be forced to either draw closer to the airfields, opening the way for the "moose", or incur sensitive losses. Because it is impossible to provide reliable air defense systems alone (for a radio horizon). And the coastal aviation of the Northern Fleet on the right flank of our anti-aircraft defense line, the time for approaching the reserves will be longer than the time for the enemy’s strikers to reach the Rocket Launch range.
      Actually, it was precisely to ensure the combat stability of our naval formations at the line of defense that the fleet demanded its own ABs in order to reduce the time from detecting the enemy to the approach of reserves to the duty link in the threatened direction.

      As for our nuclear submarines, the Yankees throughout the Cold War had several standard options for completing the AUG wing. And one of these options was anti-submarine - the AUG was supposed to be used to cover the transfer of troops and equipment from the United States to Europe.
    2. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 5 February 2018 16: 28
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      not in the sea, in the ocean.
      AUG is able to effectively solve missile defense tasks (in particular, the destruction of the Soviet SSBNs), strike at surface groups of ships, provide actions (cover the deployment areas) of its underwater attack missile carriers. Ensuring the air defense of its ship group (and the long-range air defense, at a distance of up to 700 km from the warrant), isolating the theater of operations from the air, gaining dominance in the sky. They could work along the shore, but this task is not a priority for the AUG. Everything was decided by the composition of the wing and a small adjustment in the composition of the escort.
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      for democratization of coastal countries

      solely for these purposes AUG is too expensive a pleasure. Aircraft carriers are ineffective in small seas, in the reach zone of coastal aviation and in the cross-section of DBK (therefore, it makes no sense to have them in the Black Sea and Baltic). In the ocean, they are king and god. The need for aviation, especially covering their own ships, I hope you do not need to explain?
      They understood this in the USSR, and, although with a delay, aircraft carriers began to build too. The first-born is Kuznetsov (formerly Tbilisi), and his followers Varyag and Ulyanovsk. They had to ensure the combat stability of their own fleet in the ocean.
      It so happened that in an open battle the Soviet fleet and the American AUG failed to converge. They were entrusted with another work - striking along the coast of "democratized" countries at the initial stage of the war. But this does not mean that they were created precisely for this purpose.
      1. Kyzmich
        Kyzmich 5 February 2018 21: 09
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        I don’t understand something, where do we have our islands in the ocean?
        And why do we need a whole AUG. To drown our SSBN?
        And what frigate or em is not enough for this?
        Why carry a whole AUG?
        Moreover, the noise of this AUG is the most for submarines.
        1. Grigory_45
          Grigory_45 5 February 2018 21: 48
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          I’ll ask quite simply. Land aviation is needed, do not question it? Well, when does aviation interact with motorized rifle and tank units, or FIG on them, let them flounder? Well, when air defense is provided not only by guns and air defense systems, but also by AWACS aircraft and aviation (interceptors) Or, well, on them, they only burn kerosene, smoke the sky?
          Answer the questions - I will explain why a single destroyer (frigate) can not cope with the tasks of PLO. This, for your information, was understood in the USSR back in the years of the 50s, and Americans even before that - in World War II.
          1. Kyzmich
            Kyzmich 5 February 2018 22: 55
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            Why single?
            And if it's a group.
            Are PLO helicopters on board?
            Can you imagine at least the speed of all this AUG?
            Knots 10-12.
            The cost of a nuclear submarine is several times cheaper than any aircraft carrier.
            Even at the price of Kuznetsov, you can build two Antey pr 949A
            This is a salvo 48 anti-ship missiles "Granite"
            What AUG can it stand?
            I am afraid to imagine how much they will cost in CVN "G. Ford" price
            1. Grigory_45
              Grigory_45 5 February 2018 23: 07
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              Did your mom and dad not teach you that it is at least impolite not to answer a question? Or just the answer does not fit into the concept, breaks all stereotypes?
              Everything you wrote is not about that. You have already begun to talk about something else - which is "cooler." So deign to answer the question, sir? Or is it too complicated for you?
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