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Vladimir Zhirinovsky proposed to rename Volgograd to Stalingrad

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On the day of the celebration of the 75th anniversary of the defeat of the Nazi forces in Stalingrad, the LDPR leader Vladimir Zhirinovsky, trying to gain political points also as a registered candidate for the presidency of Russia, made a noteworthy proposal. According to Vladimir Zhirinovsky, it is necessary to return Volgograd historical name. At the same time, Zhirinovsky himself has not yet decided unambiguously whether Tsaritsyn or Stalingrad.


From the note of the candidate for the presidency of the country:
The city needs to return either the historical name Tsaritsyn or give it the name under which it entered the history of the world - that is, Stalingrad. Of course, in no case can you connect the return of the name with Stalin himself, but it so happened that it was under that name that the city became known to the world.


Vladimir Zhirinovsky proposed to rename Volgograd to Stalingrad


Further, the leader of the Liberal Democratic Party adds that he is still more inclined to return to Volgograd the name Stalingrad, which the city lost in the 1961 year.

Zhirinovsky quotes RIA News:
Neither Volgograd, nor Tsaritsyn, but Stalingrad became a symbol of Russian courage, willpower, power, patriotism, invincibility. And today, with all our attitude towards Stalin himself, we need to meet the citizens who would like to restore, to perpetuate the memory of the heroism of their dead ancestors.


Recall that Stalingrad was renamed to Volgograd against the background of the campaign unraveling in the country to “dethrone the personality cult of Stalin.” As you know, the main ideologist of this campaign was the then head of state, Nikita Khrushchev.

It should be noted that today (according to official interpretation) the city can be called Stalingrad on the days of the most important military dates. Today is such a day - the 75 anniversary of the defeat of the Nazis on the Volga.
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  1. 210ox
    210ox 2 February 2018 15: 26
    60
    Yes, it's time. It is a pity that this is just pre-election populism.
    1. Black_Vatnik
      Black_Vatnik 2 February 2018 15: 28
      50
      This is not even pre-election populism, but pre-retirement agony.
      But the thought is good. In general, in Volfovich’s constant hysterical cries, very practical things can be heard very often.
      1. Rusland
        Rusland 2 February 2018 15: 35
        20
        And a lot comes true.
        1. Thrall
          Thrall 2 February 2018 16: 19
          +5
          Let the LDPR finance the renaming
          1. win
            win 2 February 2018 16: 36
            +3
            And LDPR needs to be renamed belay
            1. Rusland
              Rusland 2 February 2018 19: 20
              +8
              Rename the RPDL
            2. HUMANOID
              HUMANOID 2 February 2018 21: 16
              +3
              And the city must be founded ZHIRINOVSK drinks
            3. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 2 February 2018 21: 34
              +7
              Quote: Siegen
              And LDPR needs to be renamed belay
              It’s long overdue. Today, such concepts as “liberal” and “democrat” are popularly interpreted with a negative connotation only as “liberalist” and “shit”.
              1. Skifotavr
                Skifotavr 4 February 2018 21: 56
                +1
                Quote: Nyrobsky
                Quote: Siegen
                And LDPR needs to be renamed belay
                It’s long overdue. Today, such concepts as “liberal” and “democrat” are popularly interpreted with a negative connotation only as “liberalist” and “shit”.

                Do you think that Zhirik is not like that? God forbid you to know his real, if he ever breaks into power.
                1. Nyrobsky
                  Nyrobsky 4 February 2018 23: 17
                  +2
                  Quote: Skifotavr
                  Do you think that Zhirik is not like that? God forbid you to know his real, if he ever breaks into power.

                  That's just the point that I know and completely share your opinion. If he breaks to the throne, then grief will be grabbed by all without exception.
          2. vlad66
            vlad66 2 February 2018 16: 49
            14
            h notes of the presidential candidate

            And where he was all these 27 years, everything wakes up before the election laughing and then everything sticks out at Solovyov. Let him still offer Alaska to return. yes
            1. zivXP
              zivXP 2 February 2018 20: 14
              +4
              Yes, Zhirinovsky can say everything. From time immemorial, this was permitted by court jesters.
      2. Deniska
        Deniska 2 February 2018 15: 51
        14
        In my opinion, this should be decided by the residents of Volgograd. Just elections on the nose at the same time and hold a mini referendum on the name :) Let them vote for the name of their city.
        1. DMB_95
          DMB_95 2 February 2018 16: 09
          14
          Quote: Deniska
          In my opinion, this should be decided by the residents of Volgograd.

          But people from different regions of the Union fought in Stalingrad. The renaming of Volgograd to Stalingrad is too serious an event for an intracity referendum.
          1. vitalm
            vitalm 2 February 2018 16: 16
            23
            Everyone needs to vote, I am Stalingrad!
            1. Baloo
              Baloo 2 February 2018 17: 09
              +4
              Quote: vitalm
              Everyone needs to vote, I am Stalingrad!

              I support. This is a historical memory of the greatest victory in the Second World War of the entire Soviet people. And then the freaks are now spitting in the eternal flame, then the barbecue is fried. And in Sevastopol, eternal flame was finally lit?
            2. PalBor
              PalBor 2 February 2018 18: 29
              +1
              Quote: vitalm
              Everyone needs to vote, I am Stalingrad!

              But Svanidze is against! He takes revenge for the fact that Stalin once left his first wife, a distant relative of Uncle Kolya.
            3. pastooh37
              pastooh37 3 February 2018 13: 22
              +1
              It is necessary to launch Internet voting in all of Russia.
          2. DPN
            DPN 2 February 2018 17: 15
            +5
            Leningrad, Sverdlovsk renamed, no one asked the people of Russia, the same Gorky all depended on those in power. Kiev surrendered, so would St. Petersburg and Volgograd.
            Other names were therefore not handed over to the fascists
            1. DMB_95
              DMB_95 2 February 2018 19: 59
              +8
              Quote: DPN
              Kiev surrendered, so would St. Petersburg and Volgograd.
              Other names were therefore not handed over to the fascists

              No, names in these cases are not the main reason for Victory. Kiev was left in August 41, when the entire front was raining, and many believed that there was still room for retreat. In Stalingrad and Leningrad there was nowhere to retreat and it was impossible to retreat. And all this was already understood.
              1. DPN
                DPN 2 February 2018 21: 57
                +4
                They probably forgot in 1812 even surrendered Moscow, in 1941 it was still far from the Ural Mountains. At that time, the people were different and did not give up their symbols, and these are Leningrad, Stalingrad and then Moscow.
                In 1991, Moscow thanked and ruined this country.
        2. Proxima
          Proxima 2 February 2018 16: 33
          18
          Quote: Deniska
          In my opinion, this should be decided by the residents of Volgograd.

          Everything is clear with this city, it has immortalized itself and is known to the whole world as STALINGRAD.
          But I, as a Petersburger, really want my city to be returned the name LENINGRAD. Well, it’s not beautiful when the second capital of our country has a German name, and so Leningrad is very correlated with the energy of the Russian language. The city of three revolutions, the last radically changed the course of world history. I won’t even stutter about the legendary defense of Leningrad .. but about Lenin, is he worthy of the city bearing his name - of course yes. Lenin is the quintessence of the great historical processes that took place then, and history must be honored! hi
          1. jjj
            jjj 2 February 2018 18: 00
            +4
            Ulyanovsk was left in memory of Lenin. It is necessary to name the city in memory of Stalin
          2. standan
            standan 2 February 2018 18: 31
            +2
            I support, fellow countryman!
          3. midivan
            midivan 2 February 2018 20: 39
            +7
            Quote: Proxima
            but about Lenin, is he worthy of the city bearing his name - of course yes. Lenin is the quintessence of great historical processes

            And the one who founded it and built it means it’s not worthy? And if the German name cuts the ear, so Petrograd is like a Russian. Well, the residents know better, but in my opinion, it is not fair.
      3. Astoria
        Astoria 2 February 2018 16: 09
        +8
        Rename Zhirinovsky back to Edelstein and retire.
      4. The black
        The black 2 February 2018 16: 37
        +2
        Quote: Black_Jacket
        But the thought is good.

        I agree. Good thought. But the residents of Volgograd should decide this ....
      5. sub307
        sub307 2 February 2018 20: 11
        0
        Zhirinovsky, as always - "in his repertoire." That for Trump champagne straight in the thought raises, then Th offers a very original. Well PR in general. I don’t see much sense in the renaming, it’s better for pensioners to throw a date, at least within the framework of the same PR campaign.
      6. vasya.pupkin
        vasya.pupkin 4 February 2018 11: 46
        +2
        Quote: Black_Jacket
        This is not even pre-election populism, but pre-retirement agony.
        But the thought is good. In general, in Volfovich’s constant hysterical cries, very practical things can be heard very often.

        Yes, it smells of “populism”, but why doesn’t this thought come to your mind, Anatoly Sobchak, because it doesn’t enter the heads of his liberal circle.
    2. Monos
      Monos 2 February 2018 15: 28
      36
      This year is the anniversary year of great victories: the Battle of Stalingrad, Kursk, Operation Bagration.

      By the way, near Stalingrad, grandfathers gave a face to the whole of the then European Union.
      1. Rusland
        Rusland 2 February 2018 15: 34
        10
        So the thought seems to be connected to this issue, it is imperative to rename it and a referendum is not needed.
        1. bulvas
          bulvas 2 February 2018 16: 39
          +1
          Quote: Monos




          fuck
      2. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
        Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 2 February 2018 15: 35
        22
        As for renaming the city, a referendum should be held among its residents. And so, this is an element of the election campaign. By the way, does Zhirinovsky want to say anything about the tractor plant? There seems to be more fighting going on with the Germans.
        1. Monos
          Monos 2 February 2018 15: 40
          +7
          Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
          As for renaming the city, a referendum is necessary.

          I consider that it is not necessary to rename. "Stalingrad" is a historical phenomenon. No need to belittle it by renaming and political manipulations.
        2. Deniska
          Deniska 2 February 2018 15: 52
          +9
          Judging by the video ... there are still fights .... Tin !!!
          1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
            Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 2 February 2018 15: 56
            26
            Quote: Deniska
            battles are still going on .... Tin !!!

            Stalingrad fought off the Nazis, but could not .... crying
        3. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 2 February 2018 16: 48
          10
          Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
          By the way, does Zhirinovsky want to say anything about the tractor plant? There seems to be more fighting going on with the Germans.

          And how many such plants across the country ... The Germans were defeated, but we can’t defeat the new scourge.
          And the question of which of two evils is worse is open.
          1. midivan
            midivan 2 February 2018 20: 47
            +4
            Quote: Stroporez
            And how many such plants across the country ... The Germans were defeated, but we can’t defeat the new scourge.
            And the question of which of two evils is worse is open.

            What is there, close it, for there is nothing to ask, who is worse — an enemy or a traitor? That is the whole question.
          2. Yuyuka
            Yuyuka 2 February 2018 22: 10
            +4
            Quote: Stroporez
            Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
            By the way, does Zhirinovsky want to say anything about the tractor plant? There seems to be more fighting going on with the Germans.

            And how many such plants across the country ... The Germans were defeated, but we can’t defeat the new scourge.
            And the question of which of two evils is worse is open.


            I’ve already here once talked about Kazakhstan - about the plant, which I went on business trips to in the 80s. On a satellite map, ruins and metal structures are clearly visible. So the battles with the "Germans" were fought throughout the former Union ...
      3. Proxima
        Proxima 2 February 2018 15: 54
        11
        Quote: Monos
        This year is the anniversary year of great victories: the Battle of Stalingrad, Kursk, Operation Bagration.

        I want to correct you. 75th anniversary of the operation "Bagration" (in my humble opinion, by the totality of its characteristics - the MOST OUTSTANDING OFFENSIVE OPERATION in the whole world history soldier ) we will gloriously celebrate next year drinks
        1. Monos
          Monos 2 February 2018 16: 00
          +4
          Quote: Proxima
          I want to correct you.

          Yes you are right, my mistake. Thank. hi drinks
        2. DMB_95
          DMB_95 2 February 2018 16: 22
          +8
          Quote: Proxima
          "Bagration" (in my humble opinion, by the totality of its characteristics - the MOST OUTSTANDING OFFENSIVE OPERATION in the whole world history soldier

          Yes, the losses of the advancing Soviet troops were less than the losses of the defending Germans. And this is in a difficult terrain, through the Wehrmacht's previously prepared defensive positions. And the results of the offensive are amazing.
      4. Angel_and_Demon
        Angel_and_Demon 2 February 2018 16: 49
        13
        Quote: Monos
        By the way, near Stalingrad, grandfathers gave a face to the whole of the then European Union.

        But near Voronezh? but for some reason everyone is silent about it, or it’s not tolerant to say that 75 thousand German soldiers were taken prisoner near Voronezh, and not one of the 200 thousand army of the Hungarians, whom they put all there
        1. not main
          not main 2 February 2018 22: 34
          +4
          Quote: Angel_and_Demon
          Quote: Monos
          By the way, near Stalingrad, grandfathers gave a face to the whole of the then European Union.

          But near Voronezh? but for some reason everyone is silent about it, or it’s not tolerant to say that 75 thousand German soldiers were taken prisoner near Voronezh, and not one of the 200 thousand army of the Hungarians, whom they put all there

          You yourself answered your own question! After the 45th, the Hungarians, therefore, our “allies”, therefore Voronezh (also called Stalingrad on the Don), was forgotten at the desk. line in the conditions of the "thaw" and the negative of the 56th! And the animals were still those! By the way, as in the WWI!
      5. Yuyuka
        Yuyuka 2 February 2018 18: 13
        +6
        Quote: Monos
        This year is the anniversary year of great victories: the Battle of Stalingrad, Kursk, Operation Bagration.

        By the way, near Stalingrad, grandfathers gave a face to the whole of the then European Union.


        That is why they seek to forget about this humiliation! And someone else wonders why ??
        By the way, recently they again talked about the Voronezh operation. Previously, almost nothing was said about her, although the event was very significant. If you look carefully, the desire of Europeans to forget this war becomes even more clear. Hungarian troops suffered the largest defeat in their history in this battle.

        Here is a link to VO
        https://topwar.ru/17711-maloizvestnye-stranicy-iz
        -istorii-voyny-bitva-za-voronezh.html
        and something from there

        The enemy lost up to 11 divisions (9 German and 2 Hungarian), almost all heavy weapons and equipment. The defeat of the Nazi troops near Voronezh during the Voronezh-Kastornen operation rightly allows us to speak of it as a major success of the Soviet troops in 1943.
        Voronezh and our enemies, especially the Hungarians, remembered for a long time, they almost lost their entire most efficient army near Voronezh, and the German divisions 26, the Hungarian 2s (completely) and the Italian 8s, as well as the Romanian units were destroyed in the Voronezh area. . The number of prisoners was more than at Stalingrad, the total number of captured enemy soldiers taken in the area of ​​the Voronezh Front was about 75 000 soldiers and officers.

        At the same time, according to various sources, the losses of the German troops and their allies amounted to 320 thousands of soldiers and officers. Our army has lost even more, in the battles on the Voronezh land about 400 000 Soviet soldiers were killed.
        1. Nikolay Fedorov
          Nikolay Fedorov 3 February 2018 11: 03
          +1
          Quote: Yuyuka
          By the way, recently they again talked about the Voronezh operation. ... Hungarian troops suffered the largest defeat in their history in this battle.

          The largest defeat the Hungarians suffered in the battle for Budapest. It is not for nothing that they call it Hungarian Stalingrad. The Hungarians fought steadily, courageously, held on to the last.
          1. Yuyuka
            Yuyuka 3 February 2018 16: 30
            0
            Quote: Nikolai Fedorov
            Quote: Yuyuka
            By the way, recently they again talked about the Voronezh operation. ... Hungarian troops suffered the largest defeat in their history in this battle.

            The largest defeat the Hungarians suffered in the battle for Budapest. It is not for nothing that they call it Hungarian Stalingrad. The Hungarians fought steadily, courageously, held on to the last.


            belay Well, about the biggest defeat - a moot point, you can compare in different ways. But where does the comparison with Stalingrad come from ?? who names and what are the similarities ?? in destruction? in fierce fighting? sources, pliz. Duck and Berlin can be called German Stalingrad! Stalingrad is a symbol of a turning point in the war, where in this place the Germans suffered a crushing defeat. One of the greatest Victories in the Great Patriotic War is connected with it, from where it started - the Battle of Stalingrad. What is the reason for the great battle of Budapest ?? It is for the Hungarians? And tell me when they have a celebration of this battle? winked
            1. Nikolay Fedorov
              Nikolay Fedorov 3 February 2018 17: 12
              +1
              Quote: Yuyuka
              Quote: Nikolai Fedorov
              Quote: Yuyuka
              By the way, recently they again talked about the Voronezh operation. ... Hungarian troops suffered the largest defeat in their history in this battle.

              The largest defeat the Hungarians suffered in the battle for Budapest. It is not for nothing that they call it Hungarian Stalingrad. The Hungarians fought steadily, courageously, held on to the last.


              belay Well, about the biggest defeat - a moot point, you can compare in different ways. But where does the comparison with Stalingrad come from ?? who names and what are the similarities ?? in destruction? in fierce fighting? sources, pliz. Duck and Berlin can be called German Stalingrad! Stalingrad is a symbol of a turning point in the war, where in this place the Germans suffered a crushing defeat. One of the greatest Victories in the Great Patriotic War is connected with it, from where it started - the Battle of Stalingrad. What is the reason for the great battle of Budapest ?? It is for the Hungarians? And tell me when they have a celebration of this battle? winked

              In vain you are trying to pick me up. By no means am I trying to belittle the feat of our fathers and grandfathers and to magnify the feat of the Hungarians.
              My knowledge of Budapest is not connected with the Internet at all, but with books, archives and living people - participants and witnesses. A listing of all sources, plus data on troops, losses in manpower and equipment will take up too much space and time, and we are on the wrong site, and I’m reluctant to do this. It seems to me that you should take an interest in this issue yourself, it’s worth it. The battle for Budapest is in a special row. The second Stalingrad, this battle was primarily for us. And we, and the Romanians who took the city, had a very difficult time, to a greater extent because of the fierce resistance of the Hungarians and Germans, who stood to the end. Personally, I have the courage and resilience of the Hungarians to respect, unlike the same Romanians or Bulgarians. And the Hungarians have no holiday, because they lost. This we celebrate Victory Day in May, and recently celebrated the victory in the Battle of Stalingrad. For the Hungarians, as for our steadfast, convinced, but losing enemies, these are not holidays, but days of sorrow and sadness.
              1. Yuyuka
                Yuyuka 4 February 2018 00: 00
                +1
                In vain you are trying to pick me up. By no means am I trying to belittle the feat of our fathers and grandfathers and to magnify the feat of the Hungarians.

                In no way wanted to offend hi It was just not quite clear for whom it was Stalingrad - for us or for the Hungarians.
                As a child, he read "Stars of Eger" about the struggle of the Hungarians with the Turks, admired their stamina. But I can’t understand and justify their hatred of our citizens in the Second World War. Quite a lot of evidence of their atrocities, not in vain did they try not to capture them.
                By the way, there are several articles and discussions on this topic at VO.

                https://topwar.ru/120039-o-vengrah-kotoryh-pod-vo
                ronezhem-ne-brali-v-plen.html


                from there
                Inherited the Hungarians great. To say that they were hated more than the Germans is not to say anything. The tale that General Vatutin (bow to him and eternal memory) gave the order “do not take Hungarians in captivity” is absolutely not a fairy tale, but a historical fact.

                Therefore, I can’t respect them. If the Germans can somehow be "understood" - they had their own interest in the "eastern lands". But here are the Hungarians ?? Why should they turn into punitive? And why their resistance on the side of the Germans? If Italians and Romanians somehow turned against Hitler, then these remained to the end loyal to him.
      6. NKT
        NKT 2 February 2018 18: 28
        +4
        The anniversary of Operation Bagration will be in a year.
      7. Nikolay Fedorov
        Nikolay Fedorov 3 February 2018 10: 51
        +1
        Quote: Monos
        This year is the anniversary year of great victories: the Battle of Stalingrad, Kursk, Operation Bagration ...

        Bagration was next year - the 44th.
    3. Svarog
      Svarog 2 February 2018 15: 46
      +4
      Quote: 210ox
      Yes, it's time. It is a pity that this is just pre-election populism.

      maybe Zhirinovsky .. in the Communist Party decided to go?))
      1. vlad66
        vlad66 2 February 2018 16: 54
        +7
        Quote: Svarog
        maybe Zhirinovsky .. in the Communist Party decided to go?))

        Pity Zyuganov, Zhirik spits on him like a madman. When they meet, all the decanters and bottles of water and glasses are cleaned. fellow
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 2 February 2018 16: 55
          +5
          Quote: vlad66
          Quote: Svarog
          maybe Zhirinovsky .. in the Communist Party decided to go?))

          Pity Zyuganov, Zhirik spits on him like a madman. When they meet, all the decanters and bottles of water and glasses are cleaned. fellow

          Zhirinovsky’s nose always holds the wind, sensed that the power will change soon))
          1. vlad66
            vlad66 2 February 2018 16: 58
            10
            Quote: Svarog
            Zhirinovsky’s nose always holds the wind, sensed that the power will change soon)

            Who knows what After March 18, we'll see. wink But he is now at the trough and the Communist Party at the trough, even in thoughts, but the money and the benefit are not feeble there. wink
            1. Partyzan
              Partyzan 2 February 2018 17: 46
              10
              Quote: vlad66
              And who knows. After March 18 we'll see. But he is now at the trough and the Communist Party at the trough, even in thoughts, but the money and the benefit are not feeble there.

              that’s the problem, if the deputy budget was used to treat children, and the deputies would receive their salaries by phone calls of their voters, maybe something would have changed
              1. vlad66
                vlad66 2 February 2018 17: 52
                10
                Quote: Partyzan
                that’s the problem, if the deputy budget was used to treat children, and the deputies would receive their salaries by phone calls of their voters, maybe something would have changed

                1000% exactly drinks hi It is a pity that I can only put one +. request drinks
                1. Partyzan
                  Partyzan 2 February 2018 17: 53
                  +4
                  Quote: vlad66
                  It is a pity that I can only put one +.

                  not for the pros - it's a shame for the power hi
    4. Herculesic
      Herculesic 2 February 2018 15: 47
      +5
      We’ve been discussing this for a hundred years, but so far no one has put this idea to a referendum! And I’m sure that the majority will vote “FOR”!
      1. Separ DNR
        Separ DNR 2 February 2018 16: 12
        +7
        Neither Volgograd, nor Tsaritsyn, but Stalingrad became a symbol of Russian courage, willpower, power, patriotism, invincibility. And today, with all our attitude towards Stalin himself, we need to meet the citizens who would like to restore, to perpetuate the memory of the heroism of their dead ancestors.

        Dear candidate for the post of President of the Russian Federation GDP !
        VVZh, by coincidence, also being a candidate for this high and responsible post, CASE INTERPRETES yes
    5. antivirus
      antivirus 2 February 2018 16: 07
      +2
      water sharpens a stone
      Zhirinovsky flint or water?
      "Stalingrad" in the hearts of the million dead for it-- more than members of the LDPR
    6. siberalt
      siberalt 2 February 2018 17: 03
      +1
      While Zhirik will be thinking how to rename Volgograd, the election will end. lol
    7. zloybond
      zloybond 2 February 2018 20: 22
      +3
      the city must bear the name given at birth. Tsaritsin, Yekaterinodar ... Build your city and name at least in honor of your grandmother. And so everyone can, depending on the political situation .... Only a name from birth! It is high time.
      1. Yuyuka
        Yuyuka 2 February 2018 22: 19
        +6
        Quote: zloybond
        the city must bear the name given at birth. Tsaritsin, Yekaterinodar ... Build your city and name at least in honor of your grandmother. And so everyone can, depending on the political situation .... Only a name from birth! It is high time.


        The city for the whole world has gained fame as Stalingrad. That says it all. And all the other names ... request
        "What do you call a yacht ..." (c)
        1. zloybond
          zloybond 2 February 2018 23: 33
          +2
          then shit democrats = liberals will come to power and call him Yukas or Khodarkovs .... In Russia, it is time to prohibit renaming to other city names. Only return the native name.
    8. Sotskiy
      Sotskiy 2 February 2018 23: 53
      +3
      Quote: 210ox
      Yes, it's time. It is a pity that this is just pre-election populism.

      This is not populism, in Russian it was called earlier so - a court jester. What was the constant benefit of the buffoon? He could speak the truth with impunity to the king himself!)
      Judging by the "skin", the children of the "lawyers" are not badly fed for the truth).
  2. Svarog
    Svarog 2 February 2018 15: 27
    +5
    The correct sentence.
  3. Million
    Million 2 February 2018 15: 28
    13
    I hope that Putingrad or Yeltsingrad will not be
    1. 210ox
      210ox 2 February 2018 15: 30
      +8
      Well, there’s still a EBNcenter ... And you won’t be able to knock it over. And the beginning was made of the glorification of drunks in power and thieves from the economy ... So everything can be.
      Quote: Million
      I hope that Putingrad or Yeltsingrad will not be
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 2 February 2018 15: 42
        +8
        Well, there’s still an EBNcenter ... And you won’t be able to pick it up.
        .. And why, let it remain, but as a center in which they told how Russia was plundered and who .. The truth is that political will is required, but it doesn’t exist ... and it won’t be ...
      2. Hariton laptev
        Hariton laptev 2 February 2018 15: 50
        +7
        there was a message that the Yeltsin raven center threw stones at and stained glass windows
        1. 210ox
          210ox 2 February 2018 16: 50
          +3
          Crows were not cursed in the slop air of "Rain" and "Echo"?
          Quote: Hariton Laptev
          there was a message that the Yeltsin raven center threw stones at and stained glass windows
          1. Sotskiy
            Sotskiy 3 February 2018 00: 01
            +1
            Quote: 210ox
            Crows were not cursed in the slop air of "Rain" and "Echo"?

            They were cursed by the Russian Orthodox Church and the Patriarch personally!)
        2. Yuyuka
          Yuyuka 2 February 2018 22: 23
          +5
          Quote: Hariton Laptev
          there was a message that the Yeltsin raven center threw stones at and stained glass windows


          good When I found out for the first time, I didn’t believe it. And then, as he said, “dear Leonid Ilyich,” he experienced a “feeling of deep satisfaction” laughing Ravens are very smart birds ... And in this case, they turned out to be smarter than people.
    2. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 2 February 2018 15: 36
      10
      The whole world calls the city of STALINGRAD and the Battle of Stalingrad !!
      It is high time .
      This is our heroic story.
      This is a feat of our grandfathers and fathers. Grandmothers and mothers ..
      This is a memory for posterity ..
      The memory of those who gave us the right to live!
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 2 February 2018 16: 51
        +5
        Quote: To be or not to be
        The whole world calls the city of STALINGRAD and the Battle of Stalingrad !!
        It is high time .
        This is our heroic story.

        The same can be said about the Siege of Leningrad! soldier
      2. Sotskiy
        Sotskiy 3 February 2018 00: 05
        +3
        Quote: To be or not to be
        The whole world calls the city of STALINGRAD and the Battle of Stalingrad !!

        Who will give that? In our country, local administrations "decide" to rename streets and cities, hang signs to the enemies of the people, or erect monuments to them. What does Putin have to do with it?)
    3. captain
      captain 2 February 2018 15: 36
      +3
      Quote: Million
      I hope that Putingrad or Yeltsingrad will not be

      Do you hope that it will be renamed Bronsteingrad? Or Gorbachevsk, or Khrushchevsk, or Shevarnadzegrad?
      1. Million
        Million 2 February 2018 15: 48
        +5
        I don’t understand why Leningrad was renamed? We all know the hero-city of Leningrad, the siege of Leningrad, the region. Again, Leningrad, and the city of St. Petersburg!
        1. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 2 February 2018 15: 54
          +5
          Quote: Million
          I don’t understand why Leningrad was renamed? We all know the hero-city of Leningrad, the siege of Leningrad, the region. Again, Leningrad, and the city of St. Petersburg!

          And what is incomprehensible here? One word - Sobchak.
        2. BABAY22
          BABAY22 2 February 2018 16: 26
          +3
          Not renamed, but returned the historical name. And from which side is the blockade? By your crooked logic, all of you remember the revolution in Petrograd, so it means not Leningrad, but Petrograd.
          And the inhabitants of St. Petersburg already answered this question in the 90th year - who likes the word Leningrad, call your city like that, even rename Moscow to Leningrad, even Dushanbe, and we will live in St. Petersburg.
          1. Reserve officer
            Reserve officer 2 February 2018 17: 47
            11
            You just do not speak on behalf of all residents of our city. That referendum in Leningrad is generally a dark story. Here is what the entry on the 12 June 1991 ballot looked like: “Would you like to return to its city its original name - St. Petersburg”. It was required to leave one of the indicated answers - “Yes” or “No”, to delete the other. Here are just a mass of people, out of habit, indicated with the cross or “tick” the word “No,” which was regarded as crossing out. Those. it turned out that they voted for the word "Yes." Pure substitution of concepts.
            It turned out that 54% of the citizens who participated in the referendum spoke for the renaming.
            Later, Leningradskaya Pravda printed letters shocked by the results of a survey of supporters of preserving the name of the city Leningrad. An avalanche of letters- "To the depths of my soul I am indignant at the cunning wording of the referendum question, clearly designed to deceive the elderly who wanted to say" No "to the renaming of Leningrad."
            Unlike the popular vote for the preservation of the Soviet Union, Lord Sobchak very quickly used the results of this referendum. But to Khazbulatov it was all deep down to the bulb.
            My wife’s parents, blockades, still call their city Leningrad. My father, when he comes to visit me, he says - I am going to my son in Leningrad.
            1. BABAY22
              BABAY22 2 February 2018 18: 15
              +5
              Do not Cry. And call our city with your family as you like. And I am not writing for everyone, but for myself and for those who besides me cast their vote for the return of the historical name.
              And all your talk about fuzzy language has long been known. Can you read? What is unclear here: If you want a return - put YES, do not want to - NO. Everything was clear and understandable. You lost, there are more of us, and the city is called ST. PETERSBURG.
              1. Reserve officer
                Reserve officer 2 February 2018 18: 26
                +4
                That's how they put it, as you say. And it was necessary to cross out. Therefore, the label opposite “NO” by Mr. Sobchak and his commission was regarded as “YES”. This, indeed, was then very emotionally discussed by everyone. Moreover, in the same plane that a referendum on renaming a city of federal significance should be held throughout the country. By the way, Khazbulatov then said that these referendum results would not be taken into account. Lied.
                By the way, then a variant of another text was considered in a referendum
                "What should be called our city
                Leningrad
                St. Petersburg"
                And here people had to put any badge. Everything is very clear. However, Mr. Sobchak did not like this. There was nothing to juggle.
                What happened is what happened. Here you are right. But that's just how it happened - people should know.
                1. BABAY22
                  BABAY22 2 February 2018 18: 40
                  +1
                  What to cross out? Have you ever gone to the polls? They never cross out anything, they put any sign opposite the desired answer.
                  PsHA-HA-HA. I do remember. The truth seems to be writing that the residents of Dushanbe are outraged that they forgot to ask them how to name St. Petersburg :). Thank you reminded, made fun.
                  1. Reserve officer
                    Reserve officer 2 February 2018 18: 48
                    +6
                    I already told you twice what the substitution is, but you do not perceive.
                    For each of the three names of our city - St. Petersburg, Petrograd, Leningrad - a great story. You, for sure, remember that they were all pronounced. Along with the “Leningraders” one could hear “we are from St. Petersburg”. This did not hurt anyone; on the contrary, it aroused respect. And the city did not need to rename fraudulent services from Mr. Sobchak at all.
                    And his initiative is an insult to the memory of those who fell in blockade. Just such as he frowns on behalf of Lenin and Stalin.
                    1. BABAY22
                      BABAY22 2 February 2018 19: 00
                      +2
                      What you said twice is not worth discussing, because this is complete nonsense. The fact that the cross in the field is NO, was considered as YES.
                      And once again I repeat, do not add a blockade here. And do not say that if the city were not called Leningrad, then it would certainly have been surrendered to the Nazis. There Moscow, Leningrad was not called, and did not give up. :)
                      Well, most people did not want their city to be named after Lenin, whose place in history is not perceived unambiguously.
                      1. Reserve officer
                        Reserve officer 2 February 2018 19: 54
                        +4
                        Quote: BABAY22
                        And do not say that if the city were not called Leningrad, then it would certainly be surrendered to the Nazis.


                        But I do not need to ascribe my abominations. These words are yours.
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              2. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 2 February 2018 18: 35
                +4
                Quote: BABAY22
                . You lost, there are more of us, and the city is called ST. PETERSBURG.

                Do the blockaders know about this?
                Or maybe you voted for those who rest at the Piskaryovskoye Memorial Cemetery? Or for those who are on the Nevsky nickel?
                By the way, on Hitler’s maps, the name Leningrad was also absent, but the current one was there. soldier
                1. BABAY22
                  BABAY22 2 February 2018 19: 04
                  +4
                  Who is this who speaks from behind the backs of the blockade?
                  The blockade, and all residents of the city by a majority vote decided:
                  ST. PETERSBURG!
                  1. Sling cutter
                    Sling cutter 2 February 2018 19: 40
                    +5
                    Quote: BABAY22
                    Who is this who speaks from behind the backs of the blockade?

                    Sasha made a normal clip.
                    Quote: BABAY22
                    The blockade, and all residents of the city by a majority vote decided:
                    ST. PETERSBURG!

                    I have never heard from the blockade that they called the city otherwise than Leningrad.
                    And to be honest, I’m even glad that the Hero City of Leningrad isn’t overwhelmed by the machinations of the Sobchaks, his portfolio and other camarillas. All this will remain on the other signboard, which has already been robbed above the roof, the same rotten intelligentsia, led by the newly-conceived Pyatrovsky, arranging covens in the Hermitage! Here it is the face of the current name. I ask you not to delete the photo, let everyone look at what individual personalities have gone down to

                    And we will rename the city on the Neva, give the term.
                    1. BABAY22
                      BABAY22 2 February 2018 20: 11
                      +2
                      Well, what is the manner behind the Veterans' backsliding? They told you, as a people, incl. the blockade decided to call their city. What is not clear? And give up this loser style to threaten -Give the deadline ... we all roll back ...
                      I will not give you a term, they wrote off Leninism to the dustbin of history, they wrote off it in 3 days, and no ordinary people came out to defend it. Tired of everyone listening: Run soon, they threw it out in the Central Sausage, take the line soon ...
                      Did you find this time? Or are you a theorist?
                      1. Sling cutter
                        Sling cutter 2 February 2018 20: 21
                        +5
                        Quote: BABAY22
                        Did you find this time? Or are you a theorist?

                        They told you in “600 seconds” that they sent a sausage with a specialist to the garbage dumps. But KOOPtorgakh sausages were in bulk, and it cost one and a half rubles more.
                        Quote: BABAY22
                        I won’t give you a term, they wrote off Leninism to the dustbin of history, in 3 days they wrote off

                        In the same way, we will restore everything. yes
                        Quote: BABAY22
                        Well, what is the manner behind the Veterans' backsliding?

                        And who, if not them, defended the city? By the way, Petrograd sounds better than Santa Claus. wassat
                      2. BABAY22
                        BABAY22 2 February 2018 21: 20
                        +3
                        Right Theorist.
                        What COOP ?!
                        There are 7 p. and one of these coops per 100 hectares. And in stores at 2.20 without fat and at 2.90 with fat. And that one is not. By the way, you remember that sour cream must be taken before milk is brought.
                        Of course they defended, but my grandfather was a drum, the communists are now in power or the king the priest - the fascist came - means a volunteer to the front, and to drive him back to the den.

                        Recover in three days?
                        Sorry, but you definitely have 18?
          2. Million
            Million 2 February 2018 18: 37
            +3
            You babami don't understand
          3. Paranoid50
            Paranoid50 2 February 2018 23: 24
            +3
            Quote: BABAY22
            And the residents of St. Petersburg have already answered everyone this question in the 90th year -

            In 1991 These were my first elections (turned 18), so I remember very well. In, I didn’t think that after almost 30 years there will be reflections and disputes. On a nearby branch I already recalled the couplets of the Soviet era:
            This name is like thunder roll
            Petersburg-Petrograd-Leningrad!
            And with each name of our city milestones of great history are connected, and even what! There is more than one state typed. Everything or almost everything is said about the undeniable greatness of both St. Petersburg and Leningrad. Yes, the city bore the name Petrograd for the shortest time, about ten years. But over these ten years, events have occurred in it, without exaggeration, that have changed the world. By the way, the same Petrograd Side was called the Petersburg Side until 1914, but I would like to look at those who try to rename it. And again, the official name of the city in no way excludes the use of the other two. Even within the same area. Going to the neighboring Chekistov street, I see Count Vorontsov’s luxurious estate “Novoznamenka”, going down through the park to the Peterhof highway, I get to the place of the heroic death of the 124th TBR and the PishMashevsky landing in October 1941, and here are the tram line rails , the heiress of the Petrograd Oranela (opened in 1915). That is, literally, the city itself decides when and how to call it. Alexander will not break off on the passport if he is called Sasha or Sanya. Therefore, it seems, it makes no sense to break spears how much in vain. I hope I was convincing. With respect to fellow countrymen. hi
            1. Reserve officer
              Reserve officer 3 February 2018 00: 19
              +5
              Greetings, Alexander. By the way, I also live in the South-West. On Marshal Zhukov. Not far from your places.
              Actually, I wrote about the same thing above. During my lifetime, our city (I am 57 years old) has always been called Petersburg, and Petrograd, and Leningrad. We were Leningraders, introduced ourselves as “we are from St. Petersburg” - it was the same thing. Here we are talking a little about something else. Sobchak, with all his manual statistics, counted only 65% of the appearance at the referendum 54% of those who voted against the name of the city of Leningrad. Total 35% of the total population of the city. In fact, not enough for such a cardinal decision. Moreover, the same Khazbulatov stated that this vote has no legal force. Nevertheless, Sobchak used these results for official renaming.
              For information - 76% of the total population of the country (if memory serves) voted for the preservation of the USSR, but for some reason this was not taken into account. This, incidentally, is the answer to some here, who claimed that no one stood up for the Union and that socialism was all the same to everyone. Liberal lie!
              I have since left the impression that Sobchak simply needed an extras supporting his decision. For which he completely cynically used the population of the city. He was pulled with Lenin in Moscow, given hand in hand, they were not allowed to take him out of the Mausoleum. Even with the support of Yeltsin, he did not succeed there. So he sold his own here. Removed the name of Lenin from the name of the city.
              Our city deserves to be called all these names. And all these names are equally close to me. And as you rightly pointed out, in our city history is very closely intertwined - from noble mansions to revolutionary street names, from monuments of the times of the Russian Empire to bunkers in the streets that used to be at the forefront of defense. And it harmonizes perfectly perfectly.
              That's just to defame polls is unacceptable. And to give 35% to the majority of the population of the city is low. Not in the traditions of a great city.
              1. Paranoid50
                Paranoid50 3 February 2018 00: 47
                +3
                Quote: Reserve officer
                Incidentally, I also live in the South-West. On Marshal Zhukov. Not far from your places.

                Good nights. hi So all life in the center has passed, only "in old age" laughing got out of the communal apartment (by the way, with the help of the resettlement program, including), "in the open air". Of course, immediately began to actively comprehend all the historical moments associated with the area of ​​residence. How else?
                Quote: Reserve officer
                It's just that it is unacceptable to defame polls. Not in the traditions of a great city
                Damn it, this is unacceptable in any case. It’s another matter that back then, as a young man (I repeat, this was my first election), it seemed like he was a “voice of the people”, yeah. It was, for a minute, a referendum. As for defamation, there is a different, more severe one for every defamation. And if there was a "wiring" (and oh, such things as you shouldn't play), then the triumph of justice (at least personally) did not delay. What did we get five years later (in 1996) in the mayoral election? And what happened next? Persecution, heart attack and logical conclusion. And all this in the shortest, by historical standards, terms. It turns out, it fell back - responded.
                1. Reserve officer
                  Reserve officer 3 February 2018 00: 55
                  +4
                  Namely, Alexander. Moreover, on the tombstone of this figure at the Nikolsky cemetery in the Lavra, an epitaph appears - "To the Mayor who restored the city to its historical name." Or something similar in this vein, I can not vouch for the literal reproduction. It turns out that there is simply no other merit. In addition to this scandalous muddy referendum. Indeed, everyone will be rewarded according to their deserts.
                  Namely - a logical conclusion. You wrote correctly.
            2. BABAY22
              BABAY22 3 February 2018 01: 47
              +2
              So here I am about it!
              Good day. hi
              The question is closed almost 30 years ago. Everything is quiet, peaceful and calm. So no, someone on the branch about Stalingrad-Volgograd needs to rename St. Petersburg again. In short, revive socialism, everything in people is black and white. Yes, let’s better elect Putin to be the king and we will live under the monarchy (since nothing good has happened with democracy) than again to the communist paradise when the TV says one thing and the refrigerator is completely opposite.
        3. Sotskiy
          Sotskiy 3 February 2018 00: 13
          +3
          Quote: Million
          I don’t understand why Leningrad was renamed? We all know the hero-city of Leningrad, the siege of Leningrad, the region. Again, Leningrad, and the city of St. Petersburg!

          What are you!) St. Petersburg is the story of Tsar Peter the Great and All Russia! (Which, incidentally, was not forgotten during Soviet times) And Leningrad is an ersatz of the Bolshevik "pseudo ideology", which means pseudo history. This will soon remove not only Trotsky, but also the blockade of St. Petersburg).
      2. Herculesic
        Herculesic 2 February 2018 15: 48
        +2
        In Vedmedevoayfonovsk sad !
      3. Angel_and_Demon
        Angel_and_Demon 2 February 2018 16: 54
        +4
        Quote: captain
        Do you hope that it will be renamed Bronsteingrad? Or Gorbachevsk, or Khrushchevsk, or Shevarnadzegrad?

        Well, they ruined everything, why remember them? let it sink into oblivion like a stone in a whirlpool
      4. Sanya Terek
        Sanya Terek 2 February 2018 19: 32
        +4
        I hope that soon the city of Gad-Perevertyshburg will appear on the map of the Russian Federation, in the Kolyma region, for all who were considered officers and communists in the USSR, and after 1991, who became liberals, monarchists and so on.
    4. Separ DNR
      Separ DNR 2 February 2018 16: 14
      +7
      Quote: Million
      I hope that Putingrad or Yeltsingrad will not be

      Quote: 210ox
      Well, EBNcenter is still there ...And you can’t pick it up.


      According to RussVesna, the ancestral home of the Yeltsin family (in which EBN was born and spent his childhood), Burnt down.
      1. Angel_and_Demon
        Angel_and_Demon 2 February 2018 16: 55
        +8
        Quote: Separ DNR
        According to RussVesna, the ancestral home of the Yeltsin family (in which EBN was born and spent his childhood), BURNED ...

        thanks for good news good
        1. Separ DNR
          Separ DNR 2 February 2018 16: 59
          +5
          Quote: Angel_and_Demon
          thanks for good news

          These, at least every second I would fill up yes
          1. Angel_and_Demon
            Angel_and_Demon 2 February 2018 17: 00
            +5
            Quote: Separ DNR
            With such, at least every second I would fill up

            bring down and bring down good
    5. siberalt
      siberalt 2 February 2018 17: 05
      0
      Budka Village can be renamed Yeltsin's Box. laughing
  4. Kars
    Kars 2 February 2018 15: 28
    +6
    It would be nice. I am personally offended that our streets are renamed the hero of Stalingad.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 2 February 2018 15: 34
      +6
      Are you from Germany? I’m just wondering what or who they’ll rename? Yesterday's “heroes”? A soldier of the 6th Wehrmacht army?
      Quote: Kars
      It would be nice. I am personally offended that our streets are renamed the hero of Stalingad.
      1. Kars
        Kars 2 February 2018 15: 50
        +6
        I am from Zaporozhye))
        And while it pleases me that at least they are renamed to more or less neutral. For example, our heroes of Stalingrad were renamed to ..school ... and there is no Bandera Avenue in the city. The maximum number of people who died in the atom were living at home.
        1. Separ DNR
          Separ DNR 2 February 2018 17: 03
          +1
          Quote: Kars
          the city does not yet have Bandera Avenue. The maximum deaths in the atom at the place of residence.

          I agree, the maximum (MAXIMUM!) Renaming of streets in the name of grunted rooster-ATO.
          The streets are not enough, the second, tenth time to rename ...
        2. Antares
          Antares 2 February 2018 22: 31
          0
          Quote: Kars
          And while I am glad that at least they rename them more or less neutral. For example, our heroes in Stalingrad were renamed

          Ours got out better (although the initial sabotage didn’t change anything) of the Heroes of Stalingrad-Heroes of the Defense of Odessa. Which is logical, there is no such street, two cities of a hero.
    2. Proxima
      Proxima 2 February 2018 15: 37
      +5
      Quote: Kars
      It would be nice. I am personally offended that our streets are renamed the hero of Stalingad.

      When I studied in Dnepropetrovsk, then there was still the Heroes of Stalingrad street. I wonder what it’s called now? The bad news is that tens of thousands of Ukrainian soldiers participated in the battle of Stalingrad. Did they and their descendants do something wrong that they didn’t cooperate with the Nazis like Bandera and Shukhevych?
      1. vlad66
        vlad66 2 February 2018 17: 13
        +7
        Quote: Proxima
        The bad news is that tens of thousands of Ukrainian soldiers participated in the battle of Stalingrad.

        Sergey why bad request I bow to them for this, because they defended our common Motherland, and they and their descendants are the real Ukrainians, and not those mazepobanderosukhevichs. hi
      2. Antares
        Antares 2 February 2018 22: 36
        +2
        Quote: Proxima
        I wonder what it’s called now?

        Bohdan Khmelnytsky. Although the local deputy won the court and by decision should return the previous name. But already against the city hall, they say to change again.
        By the way, we lost a similar court ... The law on decommunization deliberately leaves a loophole on the admissibility of the same Heroes of Stalingrad and other Heroes of the Great Patriotic War. But our radicals want radically. In general, the same thing, and different courts rendered different verdicts.
  5. BROVR
    BROVR 2 February 2018 15: 28
    +9
    Enough already, how much you can rename everything, let's treat our history with respect and not change the name once every half a year ... But from the side of Zhirinovsky, nothing more than a populist move before the election, the deputies got it, only before the next election .What did not offer before?
    1. volodya
      volodya 2 February 2018 15: 31
      11
      Quote: BroWR
      Enough already, how much you can rename everything, let's treat our history with respect and not change the name once every half a year ... But from the side of Zhirinovsky, nothing more than a populist move before the election, the deputies got it, only before the next election stirring Well did not offer before?

      1. Vita vko
        Vita vko 2 February 2018 16: 21
        +3
        And we really had such an anecdote at the Academy of East Kazakhstan region, only about the Minister of Defense of Kazakhstan Altynbaev M.K., he is now a senator. Then the audience was taught by a professor of higher mathematics, Professor Venzel Elena Sergeevna. Here, she then many were interested in how she put deuces to Mukhtar Kopashevich.
        But the funny thing is that in the main hall two stands weigh with the names of graduates of excellent students, and the second graduates who became generals. And out of hundreds of names, only one surname coincides, and then, the deputy of the Academy for educational work.
  6. Dormidont
    Dormidont 2 February 2018 15: 36
    +6
    That there were no disputes - in Tsaritsyn
    1. Albatroz
      Albatroz 2 February 2018 15: 38
      +3
      Keep
    2. Stas157
      Stas157 2 February 2018 15: 54
      +7
      Quote: Dormidont
      That there were no disputes - in Tsaritsyn

      And what is Tsaritsyn?
      The whole world, who is little bit familiar with the history of WW2, knows the Battle of Stalingrad and the city of Stalingrad. In Germany, they remember this especially! But, no one knows any Volgograd, a faceless name from the river of the same name, as if they could not come up with anything else, in 1961, when the city was renamed, the entrance of Khrushchev’s struggle with Stalinism.
      From time immemorial, it was believed that the best name for the city is from an epoch-making event that happened there, and of course from heroic battles. Let us not belittle the history of the Soviet city, we will return to it its glorious name, so that it bears it rightfully.
      1. kapitan92
        kapitan92 3 February 2018 00: 11
        +6
        Quote: Stas157
        And what is Tsaritsyn?

        As the city was called before and what is the history of each of its names, not everyone knows. Those who are not strong in history are convinced that Tsaritsyn was named in honor of Empress Catherine the Great. This is a false assumption, although it was to her that he owed the transformation from a narrow-war settlement into a rapidly developing city. And the name arose thanks to the small river Tsaritsa, from which only a few springs remained. But five centuries ago, the channel of the river was full, and it quite rapidly carried its clay waters to the Volga. For its color, the Mongol-Tatars began to call the river Sary-Su, which means "yellow water." Later this name began to be perceived as the Queen, hence the first name of the city. The earliest mentions of the Tsaritsyn fortress date back to 1589, so since then this date has been considered official, and it is from it that Volgograd has its history.
        In 1925, the city of Tsaritsyn changed its name to Stalingrad. Of course, this renaming is connected with I.V. Stalin, who since 1922 was the Secretary General of the Central Committee of the Communist Party.
        Since 1961 Volgograd.
        What a brief history of the glorious city of Tsaritsyn! hi
  7. Simon
    Simon 2 February 2018 15: 39
    +4
    Quote: 210ox
    Yes, it's time. It is a pity that this is just pre-election populism.

    In principle, it depends on the people of the city itself. Hold a referendum and the problem is resolved! request Sverdlovsk was similarly renamed Yekaterinburg. yes
  8. parusnik
    parusnik 2 February 2018 15: 39
    +3
    Before the election, what can you say ...
  9. BABAY22
    BABAY22 2 February 2018 15: 41
    +2
    This must be decided by the residents of the city. Let them conduct a survey, make a final decision, with the obligatory note "The next 100 years we will not return to this issue."
  10. Ivan.A
    Ivan.A 2 February 2018 15: 45
    +3
    Vovka before the election is such a populist laughing
    Although the idea is definitely good!
  11. vissarion
    vissarion 2 February 2018 15: 45
    +5
    It's time to do it. Previously, it was called Tsaritsin and passes in all documents of the XVII-XXI centuries. And what about Stalingrad? This is the same as Leningrad. Though it was smart enough to return the former name of St. Petersburg. And in general, all cities need to return the previous names, otherwise the more people the Bolshevik leader killed and poured human blood, the city is renamed to him. If they want to legitimize the name of the next leader, then we have plenty, for example, of projected streets or nameless alleys. Forward, the field is not plowed.
    1. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 2 February 2018 16: 09
      +4
      Quote: vissarion
      ... and then with us the more people the Bolshevik leader killed and poured human blood ...

      Well, I just can’t imagine how he did all this?
      Vissarion, than to repeat someone else's stupidity, try to study the issue. Cast off laziness and curiosity to help you. Do not trust the Russian authors who wrote on this topic, try - Grover Ferr "Anti-Stalin's villainy." There will be interest, please give other sources. All the same, it’s better than nibbling to any Posner-Svanidzam.
    2. CentDo
      CentDo 2 February 2018 16: 18
      +1
      XVII-XXI centuries

      Then XVI-XX centuries.
  12. kaschey
    kaschey 2 February 2018 15: 53
    +1
    What kind of mania is this with renaming cities, streets, etc.
    Stop people, nothing more to do or what?
    And with the VVZh, everything has long been clear ....
  13. Lenivets2
    Lenivets2 2 February 2018 15: 58
    +1
    Zhirik, as always, acts as a populist yap.
    Stanislavsky would not have believed him; he works too poorly. hi
  14. komrad buh
    komrad buh 2 February 2018 16: 03
    +1
    It seems like an election move, but personally I - FOR!
  15. bsk_una
    bsk_una 2 February 2018 16: 10
    +3
    Insanity must end: the real name of the city STALINGRAD !!!!!!!!!!
    Who does not agree, good riddance
  16. starshina78
    starshina78 2 February 2018 16: 13
    +3
    But what about his early speeches about Stalin, the murderer, executioner, etc., and that the memory of Stalin should be deleted from the history of Russia? It turns out Zhirinovsky hypocrite. But Stalingrad must be returned!
  17. anjey
    anjey 2 February 2018 16: 21
    +1
    And why not, the ideology of communism has transformed and lost its aggressiveness towards the exploiters, and the country needs the ideology of historical heroism more than ever, new Nazism began to revive on the horizon, as long as it’s just Ukrobander’s, just because these forces will not leave the political arena, a lot of them puppeteers ....
  18. Zubr
    Zubr 2 February 2018 16: 27
    +4
    Vladimir Vrolfovich, you are ours, stop populism. You would rather pay more attention to social problems than the whole faction. Leave Volgograd alone. In general, I think such a macar who wants to rename, it is necessary to bend them financially, for all these Wishlist. A lot of budget money for these Wishlist leaves. Citizens, how much longer can we wait for our political elite to mature? !
  19. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 2 February 2018 16: 29
    +1
    Of course, I am for it, but Zhirik just PR ... If they rename, then such a howl and bark will rise liberal in the world ..
    1. vasya.pupkin
      vasya.pupkin 4 February 2018 11: 54
      +2
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Of course, I am for it, but Zhirik just PR ... If they rename, then such a howl and bark will rise liberal in the world ..

      And you, of course, were scared of this howl!
      1. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 4 February 2018 12: 21
        0
        Quote: vasya.pupkin
        Quote: MIKHAN
        Of course, I am for it, but Zhirik just PR ... If they rename, then such a howl and bark will rise liberal in the world ..

        And you, of course, were scared of this howl!

        The heart is already weak to wave a saber to the right and left .. soldier
        StalingrAD was a good lesson for many who wanted to "try the bodies of Russia" ..


        Admire gentlemen, who else wants? soldier I do not advise..
  20. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 2 February 2018 16: 36
    +3
    It sounds silly: "The Battle of Stalingrad at Volgograd." The name of the Great I.V. Stalin should be returned to the city on the Volga.
  21. yehat
    yehat 2 February 2018 16: 52
    +1
    Volfovich, go at least once in your life from popular to useful.
  22. lance
    lance 2 February 2018 16: 55
    +3
    the same how many millions the country will cost again. I still honestly often call Peter Leningrad. Petersburgers are smiling but not correcting. history it is history enough people fool their heads. Stalin and so remains the hearts of people. hunting to perpetuate build a new city or bridge on Sakhalin or the north. the road is restored to Yamal. than not them. Stalin and on both sides of the society of.
    1. andron-30
      andron-30 2 February 2018 20: 08
      +2
      You are absolutely right .
  23. NordUral
    NordUral 2 February 2018 17: 00
    +2
    Zhirinoosky’s nose is never mistaken. Yes, and the whole people support the proposal, well, almost everyone.
  24. Labor
    Labor 2 February 2018 17: 20
    +2
    To summarize - the majority are in favor.
  25. Pacifist
    Pacifist 2 February 2018 18: 06
    +3
    Do not care what motives he says. The thought itself does not become wrong from this. This is exactly Stalingrad. People died for Stalingrad, Paulus was defeated at Stalingrad. Even for these reasons alone, it is worth returning the name. Paskuda Khrushchev, out of petty revenge, since he could not be noted for anything else, arranged a renaming. The name needs to be returned and there is one more consideration, in addition to historical justice, can you imagine what howl will rise from the handshakes and their owners laughing All their pack was barking for decades, and here such a bummer.
  26. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 2 February 2018 18: 43
    +2
    Vladimir Zhirinovsky proposed to rename Volgograd to Stalingrad

    Svanidze will remain in the hospital.
  27. andron-30
    andron-30 2 February 2018 20: 01
    +2
    what for? Volgograd the name is neutral, the city on the Volga, no more than that, Tsaritsyn was under the tsar but vanished into the past, the heroic and victorious Stalingrad was and remains in the memory, but why change the current name of the city? you need to know and respect the history of the state and accept this history as it was, and not change it for elections, birthdays of government officials, or the death of them, otherwise we will go along the path of our neighbors, unfortunately I can’t name them otherwise, but it's just a crime against our descendants to rewrite and interpret history as someone needs.
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 3 February 2018 17: 39
      +1
      1. what for? Volgograd neutral name -liberal.
      2. a city on the Volga, nothing more This is nothing more for the liberals, but for the people the Hero City, the city of Glory, the city of the Feat of the People. Battle of Stalingrad in Volgograd. Ostrich, take your head out of the sand, the truth needs to be looked into the eyes, otherwise trouble can happen.
      3. the heroic and victorious Stalingrad was and remains in memory, but why change the current name of the city? you need to know and respect the history of the state but this is blah blah. You do not have this in your memory, neither history, nor respect ..
      4. and it’s just a crime before our descendants to rewrite and interpret history as someone needs it. So it is necessary to return to the people the history, the name of Stalingrad, and not Khrushchev with the Yeltsintsentr.
  28. Belarus is Russia
    Belarus is Russia 2 February 2018 20: 01
    +2
    Vladimir Zhirinovsky proposed to rename Volgograd to Stalingrad
    Zhirinovsky-here I don’t support you. Enough to rename something. They called it that-all-let it remain so.
    It has long been clear and understandable, since ancient times, even when the fortresses were taken by storm. As soon as the fortress was captured, they hung out their banner and coat of arms. From far away you can see whose fortress is under whose banner and whose coat of arms. Look at the United States, from birth, one and the same flag and coat of arms doesn’t change, and that’s right. Of this logic, the USA is the oldest. Although they are 200 years old. Others, how many flags and emblems have already changed, logically, have become different ????? The state, there are as many as its symbols, a flag and a coat of arms. Enough to jut over Russia Russian Orthodox Christian, Russian Orthodox Christians. Change flags, emblems and names of cities and villages.
    The flag of Russia (State flag of the Russian Federation) is its official state symbol, along with the coat of arms and anthem. It is a rectangular panel of three equal horizontal stripes: the top - white, middle - blue and bottom - red. The ratio of the width of the flag to its length is 2: 3 [4].
    Responsibility for the abuse of the flag of Russia
    Abuse of the State Flag of the Russian Federation is a crime. Abuse can be expressed in the commission of persons who have reached 16 years of age, a wide variety of active public actions, indicating disrespectful attitude to the flag, for example, in its destruction, damage, cynical drawings or inscriptions.

    According to Article 329 of the Criminal Code of Russia “Violation of the State Emblem of the Russian Federation or the State Flag of the Russian Federation” [180], it is punishable by restriction of liberty for a term of up to two years, or arrest for a term of from three to six months, or by imprisonment for a term of up to one of the year. Conditional punishment is common in practice [181] [182].
    The meaning of the colors of the flag
    Many symbolic meanings are attributed to the colors of the Russian flag, but there is no official interpretation of the colors of the State Flag of the Russian Federation. The most popular decryption is as follows [189]:

    White color symbolizes nobility and frankness;
    Blue color - fidelity, honesty, impeccability and chastity;
    The red color is courage, courage, generosity and love.
    Another common interpretation was the correlation of flag colors with the historical regions of the Russian Empire: White (white), Lesser (blue) and Great Russia (red) [190]. This explanation came from the full title of tsars and emperors of Russia: “All Great, and Malyia and White Russia”, symbolizing the unity of the Great Russians, Little Russians and Belarusians. In addition, in pre-revolutionary times, there were various interpretations of the meanings of these colors, for example:

    white is the color of freedom;
    blue is the color of the Virgin;
    red color is a symbol of sovereignty.
    From the point of view of heraldists, all such transcripts are optional, poetical and lyrical [191].
    So, with all due respect to you, Vladimir Zhirinovsky-HERE I DO NOT SUPPORT YOU !!!
    Volgograd is Volgograd! How Russia is Russia Russian Orthodox Christian, as its Russian flag-tricolor and coat of arms
    - The state emblem of the Russian Federation is a quadrangular, with rounded lower corners, a red heraldic shield with a golden double-headed eagle, which has spread its wings, pointed at the tip. The eagle is crowned with two small crowns and - above them - one large crown connected by a ribbon. In the right paw of the eagle is the scepter, in the left - the power. On the eagle’s chest, in a red shield, is a silver horseman in a blue cloak on a silver horse, striking with a silver spear a black, overturned backward and trampled by a dragon horse [2].!
    A country, a state, lives as many as its symbols. Changed the flag symbols and the emblem is another country. Similarly, the city. Zhirinovsky, do not change the name of Volgograd.
    Cut it short, Volfovich is better off paying salaries to deputies and let this money go to houses for families with children and to workers and the army. And you better turn Yeltsin into a museum of traitors and enemies who betrayed Russian Orthodox Christian Russia. So that you knew the traitors of these and enemies .
    1. Belarus is Russia
      Belarus is Russia 2 February 2018 20: 17
      +1
      Actually, it infuriates me that everything changes and is renamed. Damn what. From head to toe, I can’t say otherwise. I don’t know what else to say. I expressed my opinion.
      The city needs to return either the historical name Tsaritsyn or give it the name under which it entered the history of the world - that is, Stalingrad. Of course, in no case can you connect the return of the name with Stalin himself, but it so happened that it was under that name that the city became known to the world.

      Neither Volgograd, nor Tsaritsyn, but Stalingrad became a symbol of Russian courage, willpower, power, patriotism, invincibility. And today, with all our attitude towards Stalin himself, we need to meet the citizens who would like to restore, to perpetuate the memory of the heroism of their dead ancestors.

      And Zhirinovsky is right. And-garbage guys it turns out if everything changes like that. This is a clowning from the country.
      Actually, what the hell did they change the name of Stalingrad?
      I now perceive all these name changes — like, for example, change our Minsk name to some crap. Or your Moscow.
      Well, how can I change the names and symbols ??? It already turns out to other cities and another country. Damn. Some kind of crap. For example, call Russian Orthodox Christian Christian in a different way and show it under a different cloth instead of the Russian tricolor and under the coat of arms of another. To make it clearer for you.
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 3 February 2018 14: 02
        0
        Quote: Belarus is Russia
        As for example, Russian Orthodox Christian Russia call differently

        Russia changed its name several times, and the name "Russian Orthodox Church" received only in the 20th century in 1943, and before that it was called the "Orthodox Russian Church".
  29. Belarus is Russia
    Belarus is Russia 2 February 2018 20: 06
    +2
    Quote: Labor
    To summarize - the majority are in favor.

    Vs.
  30. Grazm47
    Grazm47 2 February 2018 20: 19
    +3
    Pure populism. Well, what to do - soon March.
  31. Fox
    Fox 2 February 2018 20: 36
    +3
    regarding renaming. Tsaritsyn was more likely a village, and having become Stalingrad, turned into an industrial center.
    Tolyatti, too, the Tridvaras want to rename them to Stavropol-on-Volga ... while the people are sending them ... but, thanks to the sun and the brotherhood, the remaining factories will soon be taken away and ... will again become Tolyatti a district center.
  32. sauvage
    sauvage 2 February 2018 21: 11
    +2
    In Paris, many people know about Stalingrad and almost no one knows about Volgograd, by the way in Paris there is the Battle of Stalingrad Square, the metro station Stalingrad, Stalingrad Avenue. It is necessary to return the previous name of the city, because it was near Stalingrad that a great event happened, after which the whole world realized that Germany could not win this war.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 3 February 2018 13: 57
      +1
      Quote: sauvage
      In Paris, many people know about Stalingrad and almost no one knows about Volgograd

      Strong argument for renaming laughing
  33. Sling cutter
    Sling cutter 2 February 2018 21: 33
    +4
    BABAY22,
    Quote: BABAY22
    Right Theorist.
    What COOP ?!
    There are 7 p. and one of these coops per 100 hectares. And in stores at 2.20 without fat and at 2.90 with fat. And that one is not. By the way, you remember that sour cream must be taken before milk is brought.
    Of course they defended, but my grandfather was a drum, the communists are now in power or the king the priest - the fascist came - means a volunteer to the front, and to drive him back to the den.

    Recover in three days?
    Sorry, but you definitely have 18?

    Here's a fact for you, opposite the Kazan Cathedral in 1988 there was a cafe "At Kazan", and so, lunch for two first, second, salad, "compote" -200 cognac, cost 3rub.15 kopecks, gave 3.50.
    On Tulskaya Street, in a bulochnaya, in front was a granny, old, but clean and old-fashioned dressed, with a radicule. She takes the “octopus” of bread, the saleswoman cuts the loaf, the grandmother takes a clean handkerchief from the scissors and wraps this bread in it and carefully puts it in her purse. I wanted to give two or three copecks for a purchase, she said “you young man, we are not in poverty. " I caught up with her, talked with her for four evenings ........ I won’t forget about the grave of life! soldier
  34. Antares
    Antares 2 February 2018 22: 45
    +2
    When I see the VVZh and hear about Stalingrad Volgograd, the elections are coming soon. Either you need to switch your attention. Since Ukraine is now successfully doing this, that means elections.
    Back in 2013, City Duma deputies decided to return the city to its historical name, but only for 9 days a year. At the same time, the name Stalingrad does not appear in documents, but on these agreed dates it can be safely used in speeches, at public events, as well as in the media.
    Recall that Volgograd is called Stalingrad nine times a year on holidays:
    Day of Military Glory - February 2
    Defender of the Fatherland Day - February 23
    The day the city is awarded the title of hero - May 8
    Victory Day - May 9
    Day of Remembrance and Sorrow - June 22 (we also call it)
    Memorial Day for the victims of the bombing of Stalingrad - August 23
    World War II End Day - September 2
    The day the defeat of fascist troops near Stalingrad began - November 19
    2015
    The State Duma rejected a draft resolution on the return of the historical name Stalingrad to Volgograd, TASS reports.
    The document was submitted to parliament by the Communist Party faction on February 12. The Communists also proposed renaming one of the central squares or streets of Moscow in honor of Joseph Stalin and erecting a monument to Generalissimo there.
    “The right to initiate renaming belongs exclusively to the Volgograd Regional Duma. Renaming the street and erecting a monument in Moscow is the competence of the Moscow authorities, ”said Viktor Kazakov, deputy chairman of the State Duma committee on federal structure and issues of local self-government.

    here is a link about similar topics.
    https://www.volgograd.kp.ru/daily/theme/9850/
    I don’t know how you can relate to the person who drank champagne for Trump ....
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 3 February 2018 14: 25
      0
      Quote: Antares
      Recall that Volgograd is called Stalingrad nine times a year on holidays:
      Day of Military Glory - February 2
      Defender of the Fatherland Day - February 23
      The day the city is awarded the title of hero - May 8
      Victory Day - May 9
      Day of Remembrance and Sorrow - June 22 (we also call it)
      Memorial Day for the victims of the bombing of Stalingrad - August 23
      World War II End Day - September 2
      The day the defeat of fascist troops near Stalingrad began - November 19

      We will stop on this.
  35. Chever
    Chever 2 February 2018 23: 22
    +1
    There is nothing to do
  36. DEMENTOR
    DEMENTOR 2 February 2018 23: 32
    +1
    It's time to do it, how much I live in the region and just talk about it, but as it comes to business, everyone disappears!
  37. iouris
    iouris 3 February 2018 00: 11
    +3
    Renaming a city that is not only all over the world, but even in England is considered a symbol of the greatest victory over the Nazi military machine, this can only be explained by sabotage. Even in Paris there is the Stalingrad square.
    When the commander of the Volgograd fighter regiment reported to the former commander of the Stalingrad fighter regiment in 1983, the WWII veteran stopped him with the words: “I don’t know such a regiment. I commanded a regiment that bore the honorary name“ Stalingrad ”.
    So not everyone lost their memory.
  38. earloop
    earloop 3 February 2018 01: 57
    +3
    A simple comparison shows: "Volgograd battle"? - Nonsense! "Battle of Stalingrad" - Corresponds to reality. No matter how anyone would like this name. It turns out, Wolfovich - Right!
    1. svp67
      svp67 3 February 2018 02: 03
      +1
      Quote: earloop
      A simple comparison shows: "Volgograd battle"? - Nonsense! "Battle of Stalingrad" - Corresponds to reality. No matter how anyone would like this name. It turns out, Wolfovich - Right!

      But what about one of the most important battles of our Civil War - the battle of Tsaritsyn ....
      It may still be better for everyone to return the historic first name of the city
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 3 February 2018 09: 39
        +4
        The battles in the Civil War do not color the nation, just like family fights and stabbings.
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  40. UZBEK TASHKENT
    UZBEK TASHKENT 3 February 2018 06: 21
    +1
    Stalingrad without options! But friends swing .... the feat of Leningraders is less significant? I am for Stalingrad and Leningrad!
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 3 February 2018 14: 56
      0
      Quote: UZBEK TASHKENT
      Stalingrad without options! But friends swing .... the feat of Leningraders is less significant? I am for Stalingrad and Leningrad!

      You have renamed more than a hundred streets in Uzbekistan, namely in Tashkent, for example, decided also to rename the street Shoahmed Shamakhmudov - a blacksmith who adopted 14 orphaned children of different nationalities during the years of World War II. Now it will be called Toshkucha.

      So leave your recommendations to your authorities.
  41. Old military officer
    Old military officer 3 February 2018 07: 52
    +2
    Let the clown, let the election populism, but the city needs to return his glorious name - Stalingrad. It was under this name that he defended his honor and achieved a turning point in the war. Give Stalingrad! Mr. President, this costs a lot more than the wall of sorrow for no one knows for no one, and it is incomparable with anything.
  42. Wolka
    Wolka 3 February 2018 08: 00
    0
    Wolfovich! but this is Tsaritsyn ...
  43. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur 3 February 2018 09: 44
    0
    If Putin returns the name of Stalingrad to Volgograd, his popularity will jump even more!
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 3 February 2018 13: 54
      0
      Quote: Seraphimamur
      If Putin returns the name of Stalingrad to Volgograd, his popularity will jump even more!

      Excluded
  44. vadivm59
    vadivm59 3 February 2018 12: 08
    +1
    they already got something to rename with these sentences. I used to live on Kemerovskaya Street, no bureaucrats caught fire to call her “internationalist warriors." I have nothing against the guys who were in Afghanistan. Try to write it, or say it quickly. children. teach your child to remember this name.
  45. RUSS
    RUSS 3 February 2018 13: 46
    +1
    Now the authorities are consolidating society, therefore they will not rename Volgograd, they will give the maximum name to the airport in Volgograd as they previously wanted. Let’s say Volgograd is a neutral and politically correct name, the golden mean for those who want to return the name Stalingrad or Tsaritsyn. Putin has repeatedly been asked to return the name Stalingrad, but he is thankfully against God.
  46. Olddetractor
    Olddetractor 3 February 2018 13: 50
    0
    Alternative option: determine the amount of money needed to rename the city and arrange all the money in it for roads. Otherwise, in a couple of years it will be possible to rename only Tsaritsyn.
  47. serg.shishkov2015
    serg.shishkov2015 3 February 2018 14: 30
    0
    a rare case when I agree with him! In the world this city is known by this name! And to us hesitate to please the West means to betray the memory of the dead!
  48. Alex Justice
    Alex Justice 3 February 2018 15: 08
    0
    Quote: Proxima
    "Bagration" (in my humble opinion, by the totality of its characteristics - the MOST OUTSTANDING OFFENSIVE OPERATION in the whole world history

    I agree. Poor soldiers, as they got tired, passing 50 - 70 km on the offensive every day. The losses of the Germans were, I think, 1 in 10 in favor of the Soviet army.
  49. Alex Justice
    Alex Justice 3 February 2018 15: 14
    +1
    Quote: BABAY22
    And the inhabitants of St. Petersburg already answered this question in the 90th year - who likes the word Leningrad, call your city like that, even rename Moscow to Leningrad, even Dushanbe, and we will live in St. Petersburg.

    I only introduce myself as St. Petersburg when asked where I come from :).
  50. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 3 February 2018 16: 08
    +1
    It would be better if this uncle suggested changing the article of the constitution about the bowels ..