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US Deputy Secretary of Defense: Pentagon May Not Pull F-35 Content

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Ellen Lord, US Deputy Secretary of Defense for Arms Procurement and Exploitation, stated that the Pentagon, with the current price increase rates of the F-35 program, will not be able to contain the F-35 foreseen under the contract. According to the Deputy Minister Lord, the rise in price of the F-35 will lead to its inaccessibility to the US military.


Ellen Lord (also a representative of the American business environment) is far from being the first official of the US administration to voice questions about the high cost of the F-35 program. Earlier and personally, US President Donald Trump stated that the program is prohibitively expensive.

US Deputy Secretary of Defense: Pentagon May Not Pull F-35 Content


New conversations have manifested themselves after it became known about too much time needed to service those or other aircraft nodes. Moreover, it is claimed that even the lack of spare parts has proved itself. It does not specify who specifically lacks spare parts - the United States itself or the countries to which they previously supplied the fifth generation F-35 fighter? Or, in general, to all operators? Here we must take into account that components for F-35 are produced not only by American firms, but also, for example, Canadian, Australian, and others.

Ellen Lord notes that the F-35 program is the most ambitious program in stories military aviation The United States, which, among other things, is being implemented using the mechanism of international cooperation. At the same time, the official makes it clear that the Trump administration is clearly not satisfied with the fact that the program does not bring the necessary financial effect. The military effect in this context has not yet been mentioned at all.
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  1. Dormidont
    Dormidont 2 February 2018 14: 13
    +7
    A trifle, but nice
    1. Vard
      Vard 2 February 2018 14: 18
      +9
      Our allies are not a mole in the bowels of the Pentagon ... but those people who have harbored this ... flying squalor ... And for that kind of money!
      1. maxim947
        maxim947 2 February 2018 14: 19
        +3
        They will figure it out, the trump will bark and lower the price for themselves))), and no one will ask the “allies” standing in the line to buy, and so they will buy it ..., by the way, as long as he has such “moves”)).
      2. Angel_and_Demon
        Angel_and_Demon 2 February 2018 14: 25
        +9
        Quote: Vard
        and those people who bungled it ...

        a miracle of engineering that undermines Nata Five's plus good
      3. Proxima
        Proxima 2 February 2018 14: 32
        +9
        Quote: Vard
        Our allies are not a mole in the bowels of the Pentagon ... but those people who have harbored this ... flying squalor ... And for that kind of money!

        I subscribe to your every word hi
        This is what the Norwegian pilot told, who tested the latest American F-35 fighter in a training battle and spoke about its shortcomings
        Summarizing his report (a fragment of which will be given below), the Norwegian pilot called the F-35 a plane - “dead man” (“dead meat” - literally “corpse”), extremely vulnerable in close combat.

        In a document labeled “only for official use,” the pilot wrote that in situations of close air combat, the F-35 suffers a critical lack of maneuverability: it cannot turn and climb fast enough to dodge enemy fire.

        The training flight, in which the author of the report took part, imitated a fight at an altitude of 3 to 9 km of the F-35 with a fourth-generation fighter - in its role in the exercises was the F-16, close in characteristics to the Russian MiG-29.

        During the exercises, the F-16 was weighted with additional outboard fuel tanks, but even this “handicap” did not help the insufficiently maneuverable F-35. As the author of the report emphasized, Lightning II has an insufficient rate of pitch change ...
        Hm! For such crazy money it would be possible to decoy something more decently recourse
      4. Mar.Tirah
        Mar.Tirah 2 February 2018 15: 18
        +2
        Well, why allies, friends? Israel, Japan, Norway, joyfully expressed a desire to acquire this “miracle” of technology. Let them help you. They pull it. Maybe the brains get in place and stop licking the heels of the owner, and take an independent position
    2. seti
      seti 2 February 2018 14: 23
      +3
      Quote: Dormidont
      A trifle, but nice

      And do you believe them? This is another attempt to knock out more dough. It is obvious.
      I hope that their military budget will someday become unbearable and will serve as the funeral march of this under-state ..
      1. ul_vitalii
        ul_vitalii 2 February 2018 14: 30
        +7
        Pull after wringing someone with your F-35 supplies.
      2. Orionvit
        Orionvit 2 February 2018 17: 52
        0
        Quote: seti
        This is another attempt to knock out more dough. It is obvious.

        Have you read the article? Where else to dislodge, if already at this stage, the F-35 program undermines almost the entire US military budget. lol
    3. vlad66
      vlad66 2 February 2018 14: 28
      +7
      US Deputy Secretary of Defense: Pentagon May Not Pull F-35 Content

      Yes, we will not be upset, let those who are in the queue for purchase for this miracle be upset. fellow
      1. BROVR
        BROVR 2 February 2018 14: 35
        +6
        Pull. Just why not a little more money out of the budget, making compassionate faces ...
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 2 February 2018 14: 51
          +5
          They may not pull it - every EMNIP departure is $ 40000 / hour.
          And so the allies - those are not at all fun.
          1. BROVR
            BROVR 2 February 2018 14: 57
            +3
            Well, they have a machine, they will paint notes, and business. fellow And the allies ... And what about the allies, the problems of the Indians and hereinafter. laughing
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 2 February 2018 18: 51
              +3
              Allies for parts .. bully
              1. IL-18
                IL-18 2 February 2018 21: 13
                +2
                Most likely they will force lower prices for components from the participating countries. tongue
  2. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 2 February 2018 14: 16
    +6
    the rise in price of the F-35 will lead to its inaccessibility to the US military.
    Everything is like with Zamvolt - Wishlist but 30pcs, and life has cut to three and even that is not a fact
  3. Rusland
    Rusland 2 February 2018 14: 26
    +9
    But this is specific: give money.
    1. ul_vitalii
      ul_vitalii 2 February 2018 14: 31
      +7
      Money can not buy happiness. laughing
  4. Svarog51
    Svarog51 2 February 2018 14: 29
    10
    Hitler's prodigy brought to the zugunder. Now the turn is striped. The more the irons are released, the more likely it is to drop it on the foot. good
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    2. timofeev_tema
      timofeev_tema 2 February 2018 18: 11
      +1
      Svarog51 Today, 14:29
      Hitler's prodigy brought to the zugunder.

      That is, you want to say that it was the pursuit of innovations in military technology that caused the defeat of Germany in World War II? .. A very interesting version ... and a very new one.
      But what about the Red Army? She doesn’t have anything to do with it? She made no contribution to the defeat of Germany? Germany itself "self-cut", creating a new weapon?
      No, of course, I heard something about the victims of the exam, but I did not think that everything is so bad! ..
      1. Svarog51
        Svarog51 2 February 2018 19: 44
        +7
        Well, first thing - we didn’t baptize children together and didn’t drink vodka on a budershaft;
        The Red Army used weapons that it had, but in very large numbers, like the American proper. "Sawed" wunderwaffe "technique that stood on the stream.
        About the exam - this is not for me. Year of birth does not fit. I’m almost two years late on a nick with a number. Therefore, I ask you to refrain from rash accusations. First take care of your creed, learn to talk with people. Achieve something in life, prove yourself. After indicate, not BEFORE. Your topic is dumb. "Gulchatay! Show your face!". I’m not hiding behind a visor. Accordingly, I demand the same. hi
        1. timofeev_tema
          timofeev_tema 2 February 2018 19: 57
          0
          First you read the history textbook of YOUR Homeland, and then demand something.
          Well, liberal rinse your brain rinsed that the only reason for the defeat of Germany you see the indefatigable desire of the Germans to create new types of weapons
          1. Svarog51
            Svarog51 2 February 2018 20: 05
            +7
            Is there anything to say in the case? The librarian washed your brain to such an extent that they did not even politely learn to talk. The textbook of the history of my homeland I taught in my own skin, especially its last years. If you are already going to troll, then at least examine the object. Here, like you, ten pieces per day flies. We live and hello, however. I note for information - rudeness is punishable.
            1. timofeev_tema
              timofeev_tema 2 February 2018 20: 21
              0
              What is there to add to your statement? You told everything about yourself
              Svarog51 Today, 14:29
              Hitler's prodigy brought to the zugunder.
              1. Svarog51
                Svarog51 2 February 2018 20: 30
                +2
                Where do you add? The training manual does not change. Hitler was driven by faith in a superweapon, you seem to want to stick the same idea, but you use the idea of ​​Goebels for no reason. Timofeev’s theme is clear to me. Should I contact the moderators, or will we just split up? The new nickname is not the endorsement of punishment. Or how?
                1. timofeev_tema
                  timofeev_tema 2 February 2018 20: 33
                  0
                  Hitler's belief in superweapons brought

                  That's it ... that's how liberalism, led and paid by the West, is trying to rewrite history: it turns out not the USSR and not the Soviet people defeated Germany, but Hitler's paranoid faith in superweapons.
                  Yes, you are even worse than the victim of the exam
                  1. Svarog51
                    Svarog51 2 February 2018 21: 00
                    +1
                    Eck you changed that. I understand that changing my words for the sake of my curators - this will be paid. Well, to each his own income. Hitler, with his belief in a superweapon, reduced his capabilities to nothing. This is one of the reasons for his defeat. In your case, even the exam does not shine, I'm not talking about exams at the university during the USSR. Go ahead.
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                    2. timofeev_tema
                      timofeev_tema 2 February 2018 21: 39
                      0
                      What does it mean to "rewrite"?
                      Svarog51 Today, 14:29
                      Hitler's prodigy brought to the zugunder.

                      .
                      Svarog51 Today, 20: 30 ↑
                      Hitler's belief in superweapons brought

                      You are just a modern, young, uneducated (or just plain stupid) person.
                      .
                      And I passed the state exam on scientific communism (probably you didn’t even understand what I just said and what they should do) in 1984.
                      Ask dad and mom, what does the phrase "passed the state exam for scientific communism" mean? Then will you understand how old I am?
                      I am sure that I am older than your parents. If anything, then my eldest son is already 33 years old wink And I am proud of him and my youngest son: they are, unlike you, smart in us and think before they say anything.
                      I advise you to do the same. wink
                      1. Svarog51
                        Svarog51 3 February 2018 00: 51
                        +4
                        Well, for starters, you would read and write to learn.
                        You are just a modern, young, uneducated (or just plain stupid) person.
                        Modern, but far from young. Senior citizen for 8 years. Yeah. wink
                        And I passed the state exam on scientific communism (probably you didn’t even understand what I just said and what their this follows) in 1984.

                        First you need to pass such items as the Russian Language and Russian Literature. I passed Scientific Communism in 1985, because in 1984 I served. However, I had the chance to get under the first call from universities. Nor do I regret serving in the army.
                        Ask, of course I can. Only father has been gone for 15 years. I’m not going to bother my mother, 82 years old, with bad questions. I repeat, in 1985 he passed the exam.
                        I am sure that I am older than your parents.
                        Visibly aplomb. Only not according to information that you do not know how to own.
                        If anything, then my eldest son is already 33 years old
                        Happy for you. At 16, this happens all the time, not everyone thinks with their heads. For some, the harmonies play stronger than the mind. But overall happy for you. My daughter is 28.
                        I advise you to do the same.

                        You can leave your advice to your son. I repeat, since it does not reach the first time. We didn’t baptize children together - learn to talk politely. Well, since such a negativity was poured on me - it means you know me, and since they did not hesitate to get a new nickname for settling accounts, they would at least behave like men.
                    3. timofeev_tema
                      timofeev_tema 4 February 2018 07: 07
                      +1
                      Do not quibble: you understood very well that an annoying slip was made in the word "from".
                      And here you are demonstrating primeval ignorance wink
                      Ask, of course I can.
                      wink
                      And why in the "drafts"? Like any responsible man - at 22 wink (rarely, before receiving the epaulette, he decided to visit the registry office: what if "if" doesn’t go through the circulation? wink ).
                      Indeed, it was in 1984 that everyone began to row into the army. But we already had a barracks: from one barracks to another they did not take wink
                      In 1984, he passed the exam on scientific communism almost twice: the second time in June for himself, and the first in January during a winter vacation for a bride who went to undergraduate practice. The ticket, of course, didn’t pull, but all the two weeks of vacation I dragged it on the subject, because we very carefully and successfully hammered this subject. wink
                      1. Svarog51
                        Svarog51 4 February 2018 21: 25
                        +1
                        Deputy Politician, or what? Did you pass the State Examination on Scientific Communism?
                  2. Korax71
                    Korax71 2 February 2018 21: 44
                    0
                    Well, like Bae and the Soviet people, Germany also seemed to be not in the same face. This is also spelled out in the history books. Although it is one-sided, but still.
      2. Mih1974
        Mih1974 3 February 2018 01: 05
        +1
        And here is a very interesting question and not as clear as we would like. Yes, fascist Germany in the competition with the USSR achieved very strong and breakthrough technologies. There are jet planes and Fau strike rockets and what’s there, “Pantser 7,” aka “Royal Tiger” - a brutal thing. But just the quantitative superiority was achieved and was not (we are happy). But they said there was an idea in the farm, “let's add a tower from a panther to a panzer 4” and just if you calculate this idea, we will get very unpleasant albeit “theoretical” problems just for the USSR. The fact is that, unlike the same “panther” and even “tigers,” the chassis “panzer-4” was worked out, made in very large quantities and with good quality. That if you installed such a piercing head as a “panther” on the “Chertverka” - it would fill the Wehrmacht’s orders with a very good and terrible tank for the opponents. belay No, that would not save Germany. But it would one purpose extend the war and increase casualties among the allies. Even perhaps the Germans would be able to stay on the borders of Poland or Germany itself.
        1. Svarog51
          Svarog51 3 February 2018 02: 53
          +1
          Michael, welcome hi I don’t remember offhand, but it’s difficult to fix the tower from Panther to the Four. The turret leaf is small. I would have to do expansion under the shoulder strap.
          And on the introduction of new products - yes, the Germans have made great technological progress, there is no arguing.
          1. svp67
            svp67 3 February 2018 04: 03
            +2
            Litter ...
            Quote: Svarog51
            I don’t remember offhand, but it’s difficult to fix the tower from Panther to the Four. The turret leaf is small. I would have to do expansion under the shoulder strap.

            A well-known project is the installation of the Panther tower on Pz.lV, both standard and close (Schmall-turm). The project is quite real in size - the diameter of the tower shoulder strap in the light of the Panther is 1650 mm, and of the Pz.lV-1600 mm. The tower rose without the extension of the turret box. The weight characteristics were somewhat worse - due to the large reach of the gun barrel, the center of gravity shifted forward and the load on the front track rollers increased by 1,5 tons.

            (Panther Type 4, abandoned on the outskirts of the village of Oglenduv.)
            On the evening of August 13, after a battle with the 501th battalion, the village of Oglenduv was attacked and captured by Soviet troops, among the other trophies 3 Royal Tigers were discovered, this event overshadowed a small skirmish with German tanks retreating from the village, some of which was hit and thrown. In reports, these vehicles were designated as T-4, no one was interested in them, since all attention was focused on the problems of evacuation of the latest German tanks and as a result of the Quartet stood until the end of the month, waiting for the arrival of trophy teams. After inspection, the arrived team recorded these cars as “panthers” in their report, and after being evacuated to the nearest rembase, representatives of one of the Soviet units who fought on the “panthers” came for them — they needed spare parts. After some time, an indignant telegram flew to the rear headquarters of the 3rd GVTA - representatives expressed dissatisfaction with the mistake of the trophies who recorded the T-4 as "panthers", they demanded to understand and punish. They began to sort things out and only then finally drew attention to what fell into the hands of the Soviet troops in the night attack on the village of Oglenduv besides the “tigers”.

            ("Panther Type 4", prepared for evacuation from a rembase of the 3rd Guards)
            And they got very entertaining cars, a kind of T-4 hybrid with a tower from the Panther with a shortened 75-mm gun. A total of 4 cars were captured, 2 of them are relatively intact and 2 are badly damaged. The “by eye” assessment of the reservation of the hull showed that it does not differ from the reservation of the T-4 of the latest modifications, the turret was a standard turret of the Panther tank, installed without expanding the turret’s turret box, with a slightly modified gun mask shape for a new gun, which without a doubt was a modification of the KwK 42 with a length of 55 calibres. The engine of the tank turned out to be non-standard for the “four”, in the conditions of the repair base, loaded with the repair of equipment, it was impossible to carry out a full range of repairs and tests, so one of the tanks began to be prepared for shipment to Kubinka at the GBTU training ground. The tank received the designation "Panther Type 4" in the documents, preliminary recommendations were made to combat these vehicles, and at the end of September the hybrid arrived at the disposal of GBTU.
            1. Svarog51
              Svarog51 3 February 2018 04: 25
              +2
              Sergei hi You accept this apology, I blurted out without thinking. Your post good very convincing. One only confuses - why this alteration? Just because of the guns or the lack of Panther chassis? The four last modifications in itself were a very strong opponent.
              1. svp67
                svp67 3 February 2018 04: 34
                +1
                Quote: Svarog51
                You accept this apology, I blurted out without thinking.

                There is nothing to apologize for. The history of TANK, on ​​so many-sided and still has so many not open pages, that there is nothing to be surprised at.
                Quote: Svarog51
                One only confuses - why this alteration?

                It's hard to say now. I will now express my opinion, not the fact that it is true. These tanks were shot down at the Sandomirovsky bridgehead in 1944. I think that the attempt to create such a tank is an attempt to unify. It turned out that in the fighting compartment and in the ammunition used, there was a unification with the Panther, which facilitated the supply, albeit a little, but it did. So, I do not exclude the possibility that such a decision was made, again in order to unify and reduce production costs.
                1. Svarog51
                  Svarog51 3 February 2018 04: 54
                  +1
                  There is nothing to apologize for.

                  Well why. I’ve been fond of tanks since school, but for the first time I heard and saw about this particular machine from you. Thank you so much. hi About unification, most likely you are right. Only experience, as they say - failed. Rather, it turned out negative. A good article would be obtained in the armored vehicles section, I think that few people know about this modification. A lot has been written about the first application of the Royal Tigers, and against their background this modification of the Four really went unnoticed. I'm afraid that here your post will also be left without attention. Can you submit it as a separate article in the Armament section? There he will certainly arouse interest. good
                  1. svp67
                    svp67 3 February 2018 05: 01
                    +1
                    Quote: Svarog51
                    There he will certainly arouse interest.

                    Thank. I think
            2. demiurg
              demiurg 3 February 2018 06: 40
              0
              If it’s not difficult, tell me where the quotation is from.
              Very similar to a fake.
              1. The grooves throughout the war rolled with a tower 50 mm thick, due to the impossibility of additional booking, but here it is easy and relaxed ...
              2. Why cut the trunk if the tower came in?
              3. How can I mix up the panther and the T-4? Panther is almost twice as heavy and a meter higher.
              And this is even if you do not remember about the radically different body with a completely different suspension.
              1. svp67
                svp67 4 February 2018 18: 43
                +1
                Quote: demiurg
                If it’s not difficult, tell me where the quotation is from.

                The article is actually one, but highly propagated. Type in a search engine: "Panther, type 4" and it will pop up to you
                Quote: demiurg
                Very similar to a fake.

                While I understand, the minimum material, thoughts - full
                Quote: demiurg
                1. The grooves throughout the war rolled with a tower 50 mm thick, due to the impossibility of additional booking, but here it is easy and relaxed ...

                Well, where is easy and not forced. No, it’s full of difficulties, it’s not for nothing that they even shortened the cannon
                Quote: demiurg
                2. Why cut the trunk if the tower came in?

                They tried to push the Panther’s cannons into their own tower, but found that the tower was cramped, and most importantly, the load on the roller apron increased, as a result of which the chassis began to quickly fail. So, shortening the barrel is an attempt to unload the shift of the center of mass to the geometric center, which is what German cars always distinguished for the better
                Quote: demiurg
                3. How can I mix up the panther and the T-4? Panther is almost twice as heavy and a meter higher.

                And no one did not confuse. They used the usual approach when the captured combat vehicle is not known. It is enough to recall that in the documents of the Red Army for a long time there existed the “Mammoth” or “Elephant” tank, “Tiger”, type 4, “He-113”, “Me-115”, until the true names of the German became known military equipment
  5. Alex-a832
    Alex-a832 2 February 2018 14: 39
    +2
    The much-publicized international “cooperation” is simply related to the fact that the United States has withdrawn most of its high-tech production to countries with cheaper labor and less tax burden, as well as taking advantage of existing industries in order not to build on its own. As a result, we have to "cooperate." It is hard to imagine how much the price of this program would increase if the USA would host the entire production cycle of F35 at least several times.
    1. Town Hall
      Town Hall 2 February 2018 14: 45
      0
      Quote: Alex-a832
      Promoted international "cooperation" is simply due to the fact that the United States has withdrawn most of its high-tech production to countries with cheaper labor and less tax burden.



      This is in which countries with cheaper labor and especially .. with less tax burden .. they brought production? ... will not be difficult to list?
      1. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 2 February 2018 14: 59
        +1
        I don’t know about cheapness, and the following countries are Canada, Italy, Belgium.
        1. Town Hall
          Town Hall 2 February 2018 15: 09
          +2
          Quote: Herman 4223
          I don’t know about cheapness, and the following countries are Canada, Italy, Belgium.



          Try to find out the cost of labor and especially the level of taxation in these countries)
      2. Alex-a832
        Alex-a832 2 February 2018 15: 17
        +2
        Cheaper slave power, judging by the level of average income per capita, in all of these countries, except the United States. At the expense of the tax burden I agree, I bent the excess, it is more inspired by China. The main problem is the need to build and organize high-tech industries in the United States for this production.
        1. Town Hall
          Town Hall 2 February 2018 15: 30
          +2
          Quote: Alex-a832
          Cheaper slave power, judging by the level of average income per capita, in all of these countries, except the United States. At the expense of the tax burden I agree, I bent the excess, it is more inspired by China. The main problem is the need to build and organize high-tech industries in the United States for this production.




          For an employer, paying 1 employee is more expensive in Europe than in the USA on average. If you take directly the salary + taxes + social benefits (insurance, pension, medicine, etc.). In the USA they pay more directly but less than social benefits. In Europe, vice versa. the sum is more expensive in Europe.


          To build a plant in Europe is also more expensive than in the USA on average. For the same and other reasons (the legislation is more complicated, the level of bureaucracy, the environment, etc., etc.)
          1. Alex-a832
            Alex-a832 2 February 2018 16: 27
            +1
            What is cheaper: to build and organize production from the ground in the USA, or to use the existing high-tech production in Europe?
            1. Town Hall
              Town Hall 2 February 2018 16: 38
              +1
              Quote: Alex-a832
              What is cheaper: to build and organize production from the ground in the USA, or to use the existing high-tech production in Europe?



              But in the USA, Lockheed does not have the existing high-tech production? .. with what happiness is it necessary to build from scratch there? ... Rather, it was in Europe that plants for F-35 were built from scratch. For example, in Italy
              1. Alex-a832
                Alex-a832 2 February 2018 17: 50
                +2
                Then at whose expense is the holiday? If only at the expense of the Allies. What are the benefits of spreading component production across three continents? How much I had to communicate with the Anglo-Saxons, me and my comrades, they were not noticed in generosity. Without profit or without the risk of substantial losses, the capitalists will not move.
                1. Town Hall
                  Town Hall 2 February 2018 18: 52
                  +2
                  Quote: Alex-a832
                  Then at whose expense is the holiday? If only at the expense of the Allies. What are the benefits of spreading component production across three continents? How much I had to communicate with the Anglo-Saxons, me and my comrades, they were not noticed in generosity. Without profit or without the risk of substantial losses, the capitalists will not move.




                  Just because kiddos, lies, and other things seem to you everywhere. But in fact, the usual international cooperation in an international project in which all participants have their own benefits.


                  That's exactly what time airplanes are spread across three continents, it is economically profitable to have factories on all these continents where they are produced, spare parts, and also where to carry out repairs and maintenance later on, rather than carrying them every time across the ocean. What's complicated or incomprehensible
  6. Herculesic
    Herculesic 2 February 2018 14: 41
    +2
    The Chinese connect-they will reduce its price to you every ten! lol True, it will become one-time! wassat
  7. Herculesic
    Herculesic 2 February 2018 14: 53
    +2
    Let them take a loan from one Middle Eastern "partner"! wassat And at the same time, except for the wings, let the new sponsor make the whole plane, and sell it at cost! !! wassat
  8. KryoWarrior1978
    KryoWarrior1978 2 February 2018 14: 57
    0
    The disadvantages of a universal design, apparently)
    1. Shahno
      Shahno 2 February 2018 15: 01
      +2
      Pull. Do not be reassured.
      1. Mestny
        Mestny 2 February 2018 15: 10
        +4
        So pull, pull!
        Burst faster no matter what in the tractor.
      2. rocket757
        rocket757 2 February 2018 15: 16
        +2
        Saw the Shura, saw, it is golden!
  9. Berkut24
    Berkut24 2 February 2018 15: 00
    0
    I would reward the specialists of the company Yakovlev, who at one time provided all possible assistance in developing this financial misunderstanding ...
  10. pilot69
    pilot69 2 February 2018 15: 02
    0
    And now, the Israeli comrades, and the rest of the allies, have a little effort. If Trump comes out with such a “hat”, then I’m in front of him hi (I apologize for taftalogy)
  11. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 2 February 2018 15: 04
    +2
    This is an article from a soothing series for the credulous man in the street. In it, in addition to the bad presentation of automatic translation of articles from the Internet, there is also a wrong arrangement of accents and half-hearted information.
    Specially rummaged in the network. We are talking about efforts to reduce the cost of procurement and technical operation, including reducing the time for regular repairs and replacement of parts that have worked their life. Over the past four years, these efforts have reduced the estimated costs by more than 60 billion dollars, and by 2023 they should be reduced by another 110 billion dollars. This is a lot of work, but it is worth it. And so on and so forth and so forth.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 2 February 2018 15: 22
      +1
      Ie the correct logistics, technology and something else there and this penguin will fly like ???? not like a penguin!
      And where are the costs of the new concept, consider the philosophy, not air combat, there’s no talk about that, the rational use of what doesn’t fly and how much combat load carries ??? Or is it organizing itself ... the centers of management, coordination and planning will themselves be born?
      Devil, he’s drop by drop, a soldier can get such a large amount of expenses !!!
      1. NN52
        NN52 2 February 2018 15: 31
        10
        It’s too early to talk about the possibilities of the penguin, we don’t know them ...
        Let’s wait until they arrive at Norway, begin to fly for escort and cross our 27, 31 in the air ... Then we'll see ...
        In the meantime, we are waiting ...
        And do not breed demagoguery ...
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 2 February 2018 16: 49
          +1
          Reasonable. We will wait and see.
          Technique, t.s. went into the army, the military is up to him.
        2. RusPrim
          RusPrim 2 February 2018 20: 54
          0
          I absolutely agree with you. It is only very unfortunate that their magnificent aircraft are not enough.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 2 February 2018 22: 28
            +1
            Yes, few, for various reasons, and few pilots !!! But in our current situation, we are ready to give change precisely to nuclear weapons, there is no other way out! So front-line aviation is not in the first place, like much more ..
  12. MIG00001
    MIG00001 2 February 2018 15: 25
    0
    Right, money is sorely lacking
  13. Hey
    Hey 2 February 2018 15: 41
    0
    Explain to me where they managed to fly so much time and what breaks down after each flight, what is the critical question of the lack of spare parts?
    1. RusPrim
      RusPrim 2 February 2018 20: 56
      0
      Well, if their fuselage parts fall off in flight, then there are design flaws and material fragility.
      1. Korax71
        Korax71 2 February 2018 21: 56
        0
        Well, in fact, nothing has fallen off for a long time. All the flaws of the glider have been fixed, God knows when. And it flies for a long time without restrictions on overloads. Only for vertical take-off and shortened remained, but this is due to the design. They will file software bugs, if any so that is all
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 2 February 2018 22: 33
          +1
          So far, a flawed imperfection, and the rest of the time, events will show ... or not.
          1. Korax71
            Korax71 3 February 2018 02: 24
            +1
            Soon, the Su57 will enter the army, I hope. We will see how it will meet the characteristics of the 5th generation, and how long it will take to remove the jambs. We already had a case in history with the adoption of migrants. When we didn’t really carry out all the tests, we sent them to the troops . Then they drank it for another 3 years. I don’t see objective reasons for gloating. And with regards to the lack of control in close combat. So during the WWII we couldn’t fly on the R-47, but in Europe it showed itself very well. It’s more a matter of application.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 3 February 2018 06: 02
              0
              That's right too. Time and military exp. will show. For the battle - it’s better not to, and so will do.
              "Thunderbolt" in the Red Army Air Force did not take root, it happens, for various reasons.
  14. Machete
    Machete 2 February 2018 16: 57
    +1
    Give me money. And then we won’t pull it at all. And with the money just a little pull.
    Well, you understand ....
  15. timofeev_tema
    timofeev_tema 2 February 2018 18: 15
    0
    The Bloomberg news agency, citing Pentagon experts, reports that only 50 percent of the F-35s that have been issued can solve some military tasks, as the US military department counted about 1000 unresolved flaws of this latest and most expensive fighter ....

    Well, a very good car turned out
  16. lance
    lance 2 February 2018 19: 13
    0
    Hooray, Israeli friends pulled themselves up. terrible doubts torment me .... where f-35 bitten by birds? what about stealth technology blown out by the sands of asia or confirmation from the general that the F-22 does not see the Su-35 due to the lack of a helmet super-flash, including ina f-35. you then shed light, your f-35s are equipped with a helmet or are also blind with dryers.
  17. andron-30
    andron-30 2 February 2018 20: 13
    +2
    here it is the thought of the usa military complex they wanted to build a plane, but it turned out to be a money engine.
    1. IL-18
      IL-18 2 February 2018 21: 25
      +1
      Well, there’s already a kakbe plane. And flies. And optimization is a matter of time. MiG-21 in the 80s was cheaper than BMP, for example.
      It is necessary, at least, after 10 years to watch what is expensive there, and what is not very.
  18. tosha.chuhontzev
    tosha.chuhontzev 3 February 2018 04: 29
    0
    Why this fake? Israel has been bombing pro-Iranian bases with F-35s in Syria for half a year already. Under Stalin, a campaign about stupid Nazis was also launched once. And they got plop from red Finns. As if not to run into the next "ass".
    1. svp67
      svp67 3 February 2018 04: 42
      +1
      Quote: tosha.chuhontzev
      Israel has been bombing pro-Iranian bases with F-35s in Syria for half a year already.

      It does not bomb, but shells with missiles launched from the border territories, without entering Syrian airspace.
      1. tosha.chuhontzev
        tosha.chuhontzev 3 February 2018 19: 03
        0
        It launches missiles from the sides of the F-35, which, contrary to all-around cotton reports, is an excellent multi-functional machine.
  19. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 3 February 2018 04: 53
    +1
    That's where corruption is !!! So many bucks to "swell" on whatnot.
  20. SEER
    SEER 3 February 2018 05: 33
    0
    but...
    But how will the country of the "chosen" react to this?
    do you pull do not overtake?
    Well, I just asked ... well, in advance ... otherwise declare the Holocaust again,
  21. demiurg
    demiurg 3 February 2018 06: 46
    0
    F-35 in any case will be a landmark aircraft. Not because of their LTH, but because of their electronics (which gives most of the price). Perhaps the series will be cut, and it will not become as widespread as the F-16. The same starfighter can be remembered.
  22. biron
    biron 3 February 2018 15: 46
    0
    No wonder they try to push this junk to others.
  23. Alex20042004
    Alex20042004 3 February 2018 16: 01
    0
    Sawing a budget is a responsible and enjoyable thing!
  24. Forever so
    Forever so 3 February 2018 18: 58
    +1
    I do not understand what the problem is ?? ran out of paper for printing green candy wrappers ?? Or about a snake, Agkasha Dvogkovich suddenly decided to finance the United States with the entire Russian economy ?? Rather, today the whole of the Russian economy is not enough for one pentagon.
  25. krokus792
    krokus792 5 February 2018 19: 58
    0
    Yes, there are also those saw cutters of the military budget. I remember in the army to the question that the US budget has many times higher than ours, the answer was "look, this is our armrest for the pilot, it costs 18 rubles, and the same for the F-16 - $ 2000. Since that ...