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USA: Tandem of S-400 and "Shell" will close the sky for NATO

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The use of the Triumph C-400 anti-aircraft missile system and the Pantsir-C1 anti-aircraft missile system in the tandem will have a “dramatic effect” for the Russian army’s ability to restrict and prevent access to its territory (the concept of anti-access and area denial). , A2 / AD), said the experts of The Jamestown Foundation.


“Dramatic” in this case is for all potential opponents of Russia, because it will be almost impossible to penetrate its airspace.

USA: Tandem of S-400 and "Shell" will close the sky for NATO


The authors of the material paid particular attention to the development of the Pantsir-С1 air defense system, the capabilities of which have been significantly expanded recently. In particular, for this complex developed a small-sized rocket, informally nicknamed "The Nail." It is designed to combat drones. It is also expected that in the near future, the Pantsiri will be able to detect targets at a distance of up to 75 kilometers instead of the current 40, and the radius of destruction from 20 kilometers will double.

It is noteworthy that there are simply no similar ZRPK, which in essence represent the final line of air defense, in the US Army. This is explained by the fact that the Americans are betting on the power of their air force, and they have not encountered any serious opponents with strong potential in the air for a long time. Note that just the other day the American media recognized the "Armor-C 1" almost perfect weapons against massed raids of enemy drones.

C-400 systems, by contrast, are the first line of defense for air defense, because they are able to detect targets at a distance of 600 kilometers, and shoot them down at a distance of 400 kilometers. Experts noted that in Russia exercises are already being held, where these two anti-aircraft missile systems are being used in tandem, as it was recently in the Kaliningrad region. And together with the use of radio-electronic warfare, they can be used not only for defense, but also for effective counter-offensive, added the Jamestown Foundation staff, reports "WG-Force"
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  1. Herculesic
    Herculesic 2 February 2018 13: 54 New
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    Praise *** and that means that somewhere we have flaws!
    1. Zhelezyakin
      Zhelezyakin 2 February 2018 14: 00 New
      +6
      I thought it was a sinful thing that it’s my paranoia being bogged down. Every time the adversaries praise us in something, there is a desire to look for what's wrong, where they screwed up ?!)))
      1. Logall
        Logall 2 February 2018 14: 17 New
        14
        This praise is similar to the charge - why did such complexes? How will we bomb you? And sanctions for it, sanctions!
        Once again I will write - SANCTIONS!
        1. Shurik70
          Shurik70 2 February 2018 21: 25 New
          +4

          - Will Russia cover the sky with the help of the S-400 or the "Shell"?
          - And also "Shilka" ...
          1. Vkd dvk
            Vkd dvk 3 February 2018 01: 43 New
            +1
            Quote: Shurik70

            - Will Russia cover the sky with the help of the S-400 or the "Shell"?
            - And also "Shilka" ...

            Will Shilka sweep parachute fliers?
            1. Shurik70
              Shurik70 3 February 2018 17: 18 New
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              Shilka will be good at sweeping small things unmanned.
    2. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 2 February 2018 14: 02 New
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      By the way, for each S-400 division (8 launchers) there is a cover of two Armor-C1s. Last year, they put 20 Shell-C1 and 4 Shell-C2.
      1. Proxima
        Proxima 2 February 2018 14: 10 New
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        Quote: Lord of the Sith
        By the way, for each S-400 division (8 launchers) there is a cover of two Armor-C1s. Last year, they put 20 Shell-C1 and 4 Shell-C2.

        Unsurprisingly, the S-400 and the “Shell” in their performance characteristics are simply doomed to work in tandem, like a battleship and a destroyer, multiplying their strengths and leveling their flaws. soldier
        1. Vkd dvk
          Vkd dvk 3 February 2018 01: 46 New
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          Quote: Proxima
          Quote: Lord of the Sith
          By the way, for each S-400 division (8 launchers) there is a cover of two Armor-C1s. Last year, they put 20 Shell-C1 and 4 Shell-C2.

          Unsurprisingly, the S-400 and the “Shell” in their performance characteristics are simply doomed to work in tandem, like a battleship and a destroyer, multiplying their strengths and leveling their flaws. soldier

          I think the Shell will cover the S-400. From breaking through and all the little things. Something is felt some kind of emptiness between 400 km of the S-400 and 40 km of the Shell. The average radius of something you want .....
      2. Stiletto_711
        Stiletto_711 2 February 2018 17: 01 New
        +1
        Quote: Sith Lord
        and 4 Shell-C2.

        Enlighten me where this miracle of technology is delivered? I’ll go get a bonus from my superiors laughing
        1. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 2 February 2018 17: 45 New
          +3
          The division of the upgraded anti-aircraft missile-cannon systems (ZRPK) "Shell-C2" entered service with the Vladivostok anti-aircraft missile regiment. This was stated by the representative of the press service of the Eastern Military District Roman Martov, reports TASS.

          "Self-propelled air defense systems" Shell-C2 "take up combat duty, covering the sky of the main base of the Pacific Fleet. In the second half of this year, the Vladivostok regiment will be replenished with a set of the S-400 Triumph system. Now his calculations are undergoing planned retraining, ”Martov explained.

          By “Vladivostok regiment” is meant the 1533th anti-aircraft missile regiment equipped with S-300PS systems.
          1. Stiletto_711
            Stiletto_711 3 February 2018 11: 42 New
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            Quote: Sith Lord
            said the representative of the press service of the Eastern Military District, Roman Martov, reports TASS

            Greetings to Roman Martov and TASS laughing
            There is a program to modernize the Pantsir-S air defense missile defense system to the Pantsir-SM level, but so far nothing has entered hi
    3. The black
      The black 2 February 2018 14: 02 New
      +6
      Praise *** and that means that somewhere we have flaws!
      Well, why? ... Maybe he just did a rare adequate analysis ... it is quite possible that he is already a former military man, and therefore has his own opinion and word ..
    4. vlad66
      vlad66 2 February 2018 14: 37 New
      +7
      Dramatic "in this case is for all potential opponents of Russia, because it will be almost impossible to penetrate into its airspace.

      This is what infuriates them, this is not Libya, not Iraq and Yugoslavia with an old air defense. yes
  2. ul_vitalii
    ul_vitalii 2 February 2018 13: 55 New
    +9
    That's right, multi-level air defense, and you do not believe the fools. smile
  3. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 2 February 2018 13: 57 New
    +9
    And we also have different modifications of the S-300, there are Torahs and Beeches, i.e. multi-level protection .... taking into account also electronic warfare, it will turn out for you really everything will be very sad if you turn up .....
  4. garx
    garx 2 February 2018 13: 59 New
    +1
    It seems easy to overcome such protection! In particular, send a swarm of drones and then send a strike group! Like a DDOS attack.
    1. viktor.
      viktor. 2 February 2018 14: 13 New
      +4
      Quote: garx
      It seems easy to overcome such protection! In particular, send a swarm of drones and then send a strike group! Like a DDOS attack.

      Just to meet the swarm of drones send Iskanders while the drummers on the spot are waiting for the start wink
    2. Berber
      Berber 2 February 2018 14: 16 New
      +6
      It’s not for you not to play shooting games. Surely an electronic warfare system is still attached to these two air defense systems. And then a swarm of drones will not work.
      1. garx
        garx 2 February 2018 14: 51 New
        +1
        There are target drones without e-filling with a simple ISN.
    3. Evgenijus
      Evgenijus 2 February 2018 14: 17 New
      +5
      You see on the map the size of Russia. To dig the drone will require several trains with packed airplanes, and not just one transport worker with attendants.
    4. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 3 February 2018 01: 40 New
      +2
      Quote: garx
      It seems easy to overcome such protection! In particular, send a swarm of drones and then send a strike group! Like a DDOS attack.

      on UAVs, to the heap, electronic warfare equipment will work
    5. Vkd dvk
      Vkd dvk 3 February 2018 01: 51 New
      +2
      Quote: garx
      It seems easy to overcome such protection! In particular, send a swarm of drones and then send a strike group! Like a DDOS attack.

      In any war, quantitative characteristics are also important. A swarm of drones. What is a swarm with a range of thousands of kilometers? Or run from a neighboring garden? The kitchen garden is killed by one means, and thousand-kilometer starts by others. A good chess player has good command of ALL pieces. Bad - only a couple - three figures. Therefore, a bad one.
      And the last one. Did you fly a drone? And, especially, a thousand km away? How do you see a drone swarm control? A swarm of operators?
      How about mutual interference, both on the air and physically to each other? They didn’t think that the swarm was confused in an elementary way, in bulk, and not in retail, by undermining something voluminously exploding in their path? A lot of what do these plywood homemade products need? Or a cough of a megawatt jammer? Lovely, not work. In one fell swoop a whole swarm of beatings.
  5. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 2 February 2018 14: 04 New
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    Experts noted that Russia is already conducting exercises where these two anti-aircraft missile systems are used in tandem
    Hello! Wake up! The shells are part of the C400 divisions to cover these divisions themselves. Lord! Adjust the ignition - it is late wink
    1. zhekazs
      zhekazs 2 February 2018 15: 58 New
      +2
      And it always comes to them for a long time and, basically, through one place. The arrogance is second to none. For them, besides their little world - nowhere else is civilization. And here it is not clear what would be better: for this to become a catastrophic surprise for the “partners” or just a VERY unpleasant discovery (as in this case). That is why they either get angry, sometimes sailors, or the Kyrgyz Republic pour in a bunch of incomprehensible from what, and here it turns out that the Russian air defense was “intelligently” made. It’s all about discoveries that are incomprehensible to the amer brain.
  6. nail1972
    nail1972 2 February 2018 14: 05 New
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    What are you doing with him? - The nail! laughing
  7. viktor.
    viktor. 2 February 2018 14: 09 New
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    And the states have not encountered a serious enemy for a long time belay states or something for a serious fight they have a geyropa here again these rams hammer under the hammer
    1. Shahno
      Shahno 2 February 2018 14: 15 New
      +3
      You live theories. Want out of practice. Saddam's missiles were knocked down by Patriot in 20 percent. Then it came to pass, the Dome appeared, they began to destroy 80-85 percent. And even the mines 70 percent, although no one sharpened. Brazilian system.
      1. viktor.
        viktor. 2 February 2018 14: 32 New
        +4
        This is Israel and Iraq. States, even if 50% of the aircraft does not return, they will have such a panic that even in Israel you will have nothing to breathe yes
      2. Mih1974
        Mih1974 3 February 2018 01: 32 New
        0
        Tell this joke about 80-85% to Saudis, they will either laugh or fill your face. Something they have these 80-85% do not dance in any way, even with the crews of mattresses. lol "Well, a stone flower doesn’t come out"
      3. Vkd dvk
        Vkd dvk 3 February 2018 02: 05 New
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        Quote: Shahno
        You live theories. Want out of practice. Saddam's missiles were knocked down by Patriot in 20 percent. Then it came to pass, the Dome appeared, they began to destroy 80-85 percent. And even the mines 70 percent, although no one sharpened. Brazilian system.

        Smart, Chukchi, however.
        While SCAD missiles and anti-missiles were almost the same age, they shot down 20%. Then the Dome appeared, and they began to beat the same SKUDS 80%. Then something even more expensive will appear and they will begin to shoot 90% SKADS. And you try to beat the Iskanders with your Domes. Which are the same age.
        1. Victor_B
          Victor_B 3 February 2018 04: 08 New
          +1
          Quote: Vkd dvk
          While SCAD missiles and anti-missiles were almost the same age, they shot down 20%. Then the Dome appeared, and they began to beat the same SKUDS 80%. Then something even more expensive will appear and they will begin to shoot 90% SKADS.

          Isn’t it that the Dome is small, cheap rockets for shooting down all kinds of self-made Hassams and even large mines?
          By and large, this is a missile defense system for little things.
          Scud is not a goal for him!
          Short chain mail!
  8. Alex-a832
    Alex-a832 2 February 2018 14: 32 New
    +5
    Maybe they would have had similar air defense systems, but they have the concept of a lightning massive strike, that is, the whole strategy is based on attacking and quickly suppressing the enemy with aviation and missile systems, and not on defending and holding captured territories. Therefore, Amer’s orders go more to new aviation, and not to air defense systems.
    1. zhekazs
      zhekazs 2 February 2018 16: 11 New
      0
      Quote: Alex-a832
      they have the concept of a lightning massive strike, that is, the whole strategy is based on attacking and quickly suppressing the enemy with aviation and missile systems

      So it is. But let's look at least at the line of our tanks after the Second World War: 55-ki, 64, 72, 80, 90 and now - Armata. Now we have 72, 80s running gears, I don’t know how now, at this time, but about 20 years ago both 55s and 64s in many parts were also on the go and were used in textbooks. And the amers have one Abrams, to whom from time to time they screwed a new twist for half a century - that’s the whole design idea. Also in other weapons, we have more nomenclature, more diverse. Therefore, the quality is better and the price tag is lower, they learn to do cheaper with us. And, of course, the invaluable experience of the Second World War helped to create worthy samples.
    2. Berber
      Berber 3 February 2018 11: 11 New
      0
      This "massive blow" for them is the idea of ​​"fix". It was planned after the Second World War, by delivering a nuclear strike. And here the concept is the same, only the weapon is changing. This is the psychology of an ostrich, just the opposite. What will happen next, they do not think - one-way.
  9. Wolka
    Wolka 2 February 2018 15: 25 New
    +2
    somehow somehow forgot about the S-300, and yet their potential has not yet been exhausted
    1. Vlad.by
      Vlad.by 2 February 2018 17: 32 New
      +2
      Their potential is not even known laughing
      But the S-400, and especially the S-500 (I suppose it will be a symbiosis of the line from the Shell, Morpheus, Vityaz, Triumph to Nudoli "on a new elemental base" and "new physical principles") will not be out of place.
      As a matter of fact, we need the Star Wars program as Americans. The task is to frighten the enemy so much that he even forgets to think about the usual war with us, and if he snoops around as a reconnaissance in battle, he smudges his nose on the battery and kicks him in the liver with kidneys, it hurts. In the absence of opportunities to seriously bite aviation and missiles, there remains only parity in nuclear weapons, which leads to stability. Even more, the development of our air defense is slowly pulling the "blanket" of this parity to our half.
      Naturally, the Russians will not begin a hot showdown, do we need it?
      But to control "changes for the better" and the pursuit of universal prosperity with our priority - why not?

      As the Odessa comedians Kartsev and Ilchenko used to say, "ask the seller of tomatoes in the market from the tank to the click of a viewing device, slowly swinging the barrel from side to side - How much, how much ???"
      This is what we strive for.
      Hurry already.
      So what am I talking about? and ... - we will raise for air defense! drinks
      1. Berber
        Berber 3 February 2018 11: 12 New
        0
        Thanks for the positive thinking.
  10. Ural resident
    Ural resident 2 February 2018 15: 27 New
    +1
    Why are they silent about Buk? A good system, just the link for the "coupling" between the S-400 and the Shell
    1. zhekazs
      zhekazs 2 February 2018 16: 14 New
      0
      Correctly silent! We know enough for us. And “this”, let it be another years later, another surprise will be wink
    2. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 3 February 2018 01: 49 New
      +2
      Quote: Resident of the Urals
      Why are they silent about Buk?

      about the "Buk" are not silent. It's just that he, like the S-300V, and Tunguska, and Tor, and Wasps with Arrows, is military air defense
      S-300PMU, S-400, "Armor" - you can’t drag it to the front line or close
  11. Hey
    Hey 2 February 2018 15: 31 New
    +1
    I clearly had the opinion that the lessons of 1941 were strictly learned when the enemy aircraft "went over their heads" and did a lot of trouble. And that this should not happen again. And the Americans cannot understand that the terrible mistakes we made in the past are written into our genetic code, and in the future, strong immunity is developed. In this case, manifested in the creation of a deeply layered system to prevent attacks, missile defense and air defense. I also hope that the air defense aviation units will be reborn in full grandeur.
    1. Scalpel
      Scalpel 2 February 2018 17: 01 New
      0
      Generals always prepare for the last war in this way. Again waiting for waves of aviation across the border.
  12. _Jack_
    _Jack_ 2 February 2018 16: 44 New
    0
    phrase
    will have a "dramatic effect" for the capabilities of the Russian army
    It doesn’t sound like laudatory, but rather, on the contrary, can such a translation be? in the original how did it sound?
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  14. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 2 February 2018 17: 37 New
    0
    But what about Thor and Buk? Forgotten the average range? belay
    1. ASG7
      ASG7 2 February 2018 18: 10 New
      0
      Let the Americans frighten you, if they also find out about it, then they will not have enough vocabulary of their concern.
    2. Mih1974
      Mih1974 3 February 2018 01: 35 New
      +1
      Yeah, so they “forgot” that the “beech” increased the load one and a half times, and the transport launcher - in general, “mini-AJIS” began to resemble. lol
  15. Labor
    Labor 2 February 2018 20: 12 New
    0
    "Dramatic" because it didn’t work with the air base, no matter how hard they tried.
  16. tecnik
    tecnik 2 February 2018 21: 40 New
    0
    well, Syria’s sky didn’t close from Israel ... and they will find an explanation from NATO why they didn’t close it if they have time ...
  17. TOR2
    TOR2 3 February 2018 00: 29 New
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    The use of the Triumph C-400 anti-aircraft missile system and the Pantsir-C1 anti-aircraft missile system in the tandem will have a “dramatic effect” for the Russian army’s ability to restrict and prevent access to its territory (the concept of anti-access and area denial). , A2 / AD), said the experts of The Jamestown Foundation.

    Jamestown Foundation employees are cunning, oh cunning. A massive raid on the A2 / AD zone will be carried out in 2 stages. At the first stage, cannon fodder will go forward. Wrappers of this meat in the form of flags are brought solemnly at the beginning of each NATO summit. The main task of meat is emulsification of the ammunition ready for use. The second stage remains with the more elite members of the club. But employees of the Jamestown Foundation cannot tell about this, because this will have a “dramatic effect” for them. smile
    1. Vkd dvk
      Vkd dvk 3 February 2018 13: 07 New
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      Quote: TOR2
      The use of the Triumph C-400 anti-aircraft missile system and the Pantsir-C1 anti-aircraft missile system in the tandem will have a “dramatic effect” for the Russian army’s ability to restrict and prevent access to its territory (the concept of anti-access and area denial). , A2 / AD), said the experts of The Jamestown Foundation.

      Jamestown Foundation employees are cunning, oh cunning. A massive raid on the A2 / AD zone will be carried out in 2 stages. At the first stage, cannon fodder will go forward. Wrappers of this meat in the form of flags are brought solemnly at the beginning of each NATO summit. The main task of meat is emulsification of the ammunition ready for use. The second stage remains with the more elite members of the club. But employees of the Jamestown Foundation cannot tell about this, because this will have a “dramatic effect” for them. smile

      Russia neutralized this idea a long time ago, saying that it would deliver a nuclear strike first. In case ..... The second wave will burn at its aerodromes and at launching sites. However, like the first.
      Russia is aware that it will not be able to cope with NATO by non-nuclear forces. And he will do everything so that this scenario is not started by definition.
  18. Grigory_45
    Grigory_45 3 February 2018 01: 37 New
    +2
    and the radius of destruction from 20 kilometers will grow two.

    at whose expense is the banquet? A heavier and more expensive rocket? Which, naturally, will lead to a reduction in ammunition. And to which link do these machines now belong?
    For me, so you need to leave the Shell almost as it is i.e. his concept ZRPK), only to supplement it with even cheaper missiles, as well as something to finally do with his artillery.
    The medium-range missiles can be solved in two ways:
    1. Or the creation of a specialized multi-channel and "rapid-fire" air defense system with missiles with a range. 35-45 km, or introduce similar missiles (when installed in a package of 4) into a standard TPK of the same S-300/400. And nefig garden fence.
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  20. tosha.chuhontzev
    tosha.chuhontzev 3 February 2018 04: 46 New
    0
    I am not an apologist for Putin, but he brings the issue of Russia's security to its logical conclusion. I hope that the old-new President, under the reliable umbrella of the missile defense system, will finally begin to solve the country's internal problems with the same success and consistency.
  21. Netzah netzah
    Netzah netzah 3 February 2018 08: 56 New
    +1
    I suspect that the Liechtenstein Air Force had in mind all of these S-400s, "Armor", "Buki", "Torah" and other crap.
    1. Vkd dvk
      Vkd dvk 4 February 2018 11: 38 New
      +1
      Quote: Netzah Netzah
      I suspect that the Liechtenstein Air Force had in mind all of these S-400s, "Armor", "Buki", "Torah" and other crap.

      You have strong grass. Even the odor comes here. Not a psychiatrist, but you seem to be seriously upset. See that which is not and do not notice the obvious.
      Again, the same muttering multiple of his nickname. As if once is not enough. You will immediately take care of your health, perhaps it is not too late.
    2. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 4 February 2018 12: 37 New
      0
      Quote: Netzah Netzah
      I suspect that the Liechtenstein Air Force had in mind all of these S-400s, "Armor", "Buki", "Torah" and other crap.

      Vatican, Vatican forgot laughing
  22. PVOSV
    PVOSV 3 February 2018 09: 24 New
    -1
    Sergey Sukhankin is a historian from Kaliningrad and associate an expert at the International Center for Advanced Studies (Kiev). His research interests primarily relate to the Kaliningrad region and the Baltic region.


    the author of the article in the source, they still have Felgenhauer as an expert wassat